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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. " Labour were in for half of that 
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"I wouldn't worry about. Boris said he will 'level up'the north and I for one have total faith in him." Me too | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh? "Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast "So there is no difference between the blair era and the last 10 year's? | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast "Its always easy to blame the conservatives isn't it. However please remind me where the current and last Labour leader are MP's? | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
Its always easy to blame the conservatives isn't it.
However please remind me where the current and last Labour leader are MP's?"Probally because they have been in power for the last decade. Minor details like that | |||
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"I wouldn't worry about. Boris said he will 'level up'the north and I for one have total faith in him." With the brexit pig now on the loose it's more a case of leveling london down a few notches  | |||
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"I wouldn't worry about. Boris said he will 'level up'the north and I for one have total faith in him. With the brexit pig now on the loose it's more a case of leveling london down a few notches "Nah cant see that with all that Russian money sweeping through the city. | |||
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"I wouldn't worry about. Boris said he will 'level up'the north and I for one have total faith in him. With the brexit pig now on the loose it's more a case of leveling london down a few notches
Nah cant see that with all that Russian money sweeping through the city."Neither you or wrong have answered the question and contributed to the discussion other than 'bash the Tories'. Why is that? | |||
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"I wouldn't worry about. Boris said he will 'level up'the north and I for one have total faith in him. With the brexit pig now on the loose it's more a case of leveling london down a few notches
Nah cant see that with all that Russian money sweeping through the city.
Neither you or wrong have answered the question and contributed to the discussion other than 'bash the Tories'. Why is that? "What question? | |||
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"I wouldn't worry about. Boris said he will 'level up'the north and I for one have total faith in him. With the brexit pig now on the loose it's more a case of leveling london down a few notches
Nah cant see that with all that Russian money sweeping through the city.
Neither you or wrong have answered the question and contributed to the discussion other than 'bash the Tories'. Why is that?
What question?"Try reading the op! | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
So there is no difference between the blair era and the last 10 year's?"Not up here there isn’t. As another poster has said, Tony Blair and the other members of his cabinets that held north east seats did sod all for the region. | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast "Well what do you expect? This was the man who said 'we will campaign to leave the EEC it has stolen our resources and destroyed jobs' Then in 1997 promised to hold an EU referendum if he was elected. Complete wanker | |||
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"I wouldn't worry about. Boris said he will 'level up'the north and I for one have total faith in him. With the brexit pig now on the loose it's more a case of leveling london down a few notches
Nah cant see that with all that Russian money sweeping through the city.
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"I wouldn't worry about. Boris said he will 'level up'the north and I for one have total faith in him. With the brexit pig now on the loose it's more a case of leveling london down a few notches
Nah cant see that with all that Russian money sweeping through the city.
Neither you or wrong have answered the question and contributed to the discussion other than 'bash the Tories'. Why is that?
What question?
Try reading the op!"The current and last leader were mps? Corbyn islington Starmer holborn And? | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
Well what do you expect? This was the man who said 'we will campaign to leave the EEC it has stolen our resources and destroyed jobs'
Then in 1997 promised to hold an EU referendum if he was elected. Complete wanker"
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
Well what do you expect? This was the man who said 'we will campaign to leave the EEC it has stolen our resources and destroyed jobs'
Then in 1997 promised to hold an EU referendum if he was elected. Complete wanker
Do you find there is any issue in the world which cannot be attributable to the eu?"Try reading his post again. He’s not attributing anything to the EU, he’s commenting on broken promises. | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
Well what do you expect? This was the man who said 'we will campaign to leave the EEC it has stolen our resources and destroyed jobs'
Then in 1997 promised to hold an EU referendum if he was elected. Complete wanker
Do you find there is any issue in the world which cannot be attributable to the eu?"That was a dig at Blair and Labour | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
Well what do you expect? This was the man who said 'we will campaign to leave the EEC it has stolen our resources and destroyed jobs'
Then in 1997 promised to hold an EU referendum if he was elected. Complete wanker
Do you find there is any issue in the world which cannot be attributable to the eu?
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
Well what do you expect? This was the man who said 'we will campaign to leave the EEC it has stolen our resources and destroyed jobs'
Then in 1997 promised to hold an EU referendum if he was elected. Complete wanker
Do you find there is any issue in the world which cannot be attributable to the eu?
That was a dig at Blair and Labour
And the content was about the eu"It was about promising to fight for jobs then once elected didn't bother | |||
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"A thread about the growing gap between London and the rest of the uk decends into a slinging match about a labour leader who left office in 2007. You actually couldnt make it up if you tried "How was your day at work Lionel? | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
Well what do you expect? This was the man who said 'we will campaign to leave the EEC it has stolen our resources and destroyed jobs'
Then in 1997 promised to hold an EU referendum if he was elected. Complete wanker
Do you find there is any issue in the world which cannot be attributable to the eu?
That was a dig at Blair and Labour
And the content was about the eu
It was about promising to fight for jobs then once elected didn't bother "It was also about leaving the eu. Pray tell what on earth does that have to do with the north south divide? You are aware the year is 2021? Have you time travelled back to 2005? | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
Well what do you expect? This was the man who said 'we will campaign to leave the EEC it has stolen our resources and destroyed jobs'
Then in 1997 promised to hold an EU referendum if he was elected. Complete wanker
Do you find there is any issue in the world which cannot be attributable to the eu?
That was a dig at Blair and Labour
And the content was about the eu
It was about promising to fight for jobs then once elected didn't bother
It was also about leaving the eu.
Pray tell what on earth does that have to do with the north south divide?
You are aware the year is 2021?
Have you time travelled back to 2005?"It had sod all to do with leaving the EU. Either you are more stupid than I thought or you have been working far too hard today and are obviously too exhausted to think clearly. | |||
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"Just to point out since 1979 the conservatives have been in in power for 27 years. Labour 13. So the desire to somehow pin this gulf in labour is actually amusing. Keep it up "We are pointing out that neither has helped. But if the Tories want to remain in power they now have to. Unless you would prefer they didn't level up? | |||
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"Just to point out since 1979 the conservatives have been in in power for 27 years. Labour 13. So the desire to somehow pin this gulf in labour is actually amusing. Keep it up
We are pointing out that neither has helped. But if the Tories want to remain in power they now have to. Unless you would prefer they didn't level up? "Right..they have had 40 years to do this and have just decided it's a good idea? | |||
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"until the use of London for the purpose of wholesale money laundering by organised international crime and their political enablers is properly tackled then it is pointless changing anything." Was reading about that. Seems to be endemic. | |||
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"A recent study buy the university of Amsterdam has calculated that over the last twenty years the U.K. economy has lost a potential £6.5 Trillion in GDP due to London being the focus of all investment and therefore drawing both investment and human talent away from the regions. This has resulted in stifling potential growth in the regions. What would you do if you had control? " The question that you seem to ignore is the one above! What would you do if you had control? Wrong and lionelclutz just seem to read the headline and start straight to the Tory/government bashing. I asked you both for a bit of substance to your argument by answering the question. Others join in with the discussion. I'm sure many others are tired by the way you try to take control of a thread for your own agenda and give up on contributing. | |||
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"My own view is every form of government have just thought that the city is the lifeblood of the country and totally neglected the rest. The fact that £4000 per head is spent on public transport whilst say Manchester get £700 and Newcastle £300 shows how totally unbalanced the current spending is. Boris speaks of levelling up but I just can’t see such a huge switch. " I’m in total agreement with you. It remains to be seen whether Boris meant it. | |||
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"I don’t think this can be as simplified as Tory or labour because it’s endemic in the political class that the south east takes priority. Yes the DVLA went Swansea and tax to Newcastle but yet again the high end jobs in those departments are clearly based in London. They don’t need to be it’s just the slant is unchallenged. " When labour where in power quite a few jobs got created up here,public sector mostly. New hospitals and schools were built aswell..admittedly using the flawed pfi plan. I'm not blairs biggest fan..but anyone who said that era was as bad as austerity or the thatcher years is Talking out of their arse. The amount of homeless and the explosion is food banks is testament to that. | |||
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"A recent study buy the university of Amsterdam has calculated that over the last twenty years the U.K. economy has lost a potential £6.5 Trillion in GDP due to London being the focus of all investment and therefore drawing both investment and human talent away from the regions. This has resulted in stifling potential growth in the regions. What would you do if you had control? " The obvs answer would be shift investments to the regions Apparently ks is talking about greater devolution. | |||
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"My own view is every form of government have just thought that the city is the lifeblood of the country and totally neglected the rest. The fact that £4000 per head is spent on public transport whilst say Manchester get £700 and Newcastle £300 shows how totally unbalanced the current spending is. Boris speaks of levelling up but I just can’t see such a huge switch. " our politicians are heavily invested in London with property portfolios, industrial investments etc. until there is meaningful change they will continue to feed their wealth by attracting investment in London. | |||
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"A recent study buy the university of Amsterdam has calculated that over the last twenty years the U.K. economy has lost a potential £6.5 Trillion in GDP due to London being the focus of all investment and therefore drawing both investment and human talent away from the regions. This has resulted in stifling potential growth in the regions. What would you do if you had control? The question that you seem to ignore is the one above! What would you do if you had control? Wrong and lionelclutz just seem to read the headline and start straight to the Tory/government bashing. I asked you both for a bit of substance to your argument by answering the question. Others join in with the discussion. I'm sure many others are tired by the way you try to take control of a thread for your own agenda and give up on contributing." Actual I think you will find I mentioned boris levelling up and Blair was bizarrely brought into the equation. Still its not like you to make something up. | |||
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"My own view is every form of government have just thought that the city is the lifeblood of the country and totally neglected the rest. The fact that £4000 per head is spent on public transport whilst say Manchester get £700 and Newcastle £300 shows how totally unbalanced the current spending is. Boris speaks of levelling up but I just can’t see such a huge switch. our politicians are heavily invested in London with property portfolios, industrial investments etc. until there is meaningful change they will continue to feed their wealth by attracting investment in London. " A lot of our economy is based on the city Unless that changes, I cant see anything changing. | |||
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"I think there are definitely areas of the north which did feel disenfranchised, under new labour. They tended to be smaller towns and they were often issues around immigration. That contributed to the rise of UKIP." Blimey Lionel are you beginning to understand why people don't like the Labour party anymore.!!! | |||
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"A recent study buy the university of Amsterdam has calculated that over the last twenty years the U.K. economy has lost a potential £6.5 Trillion in GDP due to London being the focus of all investment and therefore drawing both investment and human talent away from the regions. This has resulted in stifling potential growth in the regions. What would you do if you had control? The obvs answer would be shift investments to the regions Apparently ks is talking about greater devolution. " Both Boris and starmer can talk as much as they like, it doesn't mean it will happen. Proof will be in the pudding. As the Tories are in government at present, they will have the first opportunity. | |||
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"My own view is every form of government have just thought that the city is the lifeblood of the country and totally neglected the rest. The fact that £4000 per head is spent on public transport whilst say Manchester get £700 and Newcastle £300 shows how totally unbalanced the current spending is. Boris speaks of levelling up but I just can’t see such a huge switch. our politicians are heavily invested in London with property portfolios, industrial investments etc. until there is meaningful change they will continue to feed their wealth by attracting investment in London. A lot of our economy is based on the city Unless that changes, I cant see anything changing." Personal I'd love it if a two or three million people fucked off up North to work. It's far too crowded. | |||
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"I don’t think this can be as simplified as Tory or labour because it’s endemic in the political class that the south east takes priority. Yes the DVLA went Swansea and tax to Newcastle but yet again the high end jobs in those departments are clearly based in London. They don’t need to be it’s just the slant is unchallenged. When labour where in power quite a few jobs got created up here,public sector mostly. New hospitals and schools were built aswell..admittedly using the flawed pfi plan. I'm not blairs biggest fan..but anyone who said that era was as bad as austerity or the thatcher years is Talking out of their arse. The amount of homeless and the explosion is food banks is testament to that." Spot on | |||
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"I wouldn't worry about. Boris said he will 'level up'the north and I for one have total faith in him. Me too "Ditto.. After all he's never lied has he.. | |||
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"central london does great rest of london is just as shit as the rest of the country" That’s property poverty though isn’t it. The donut effect of global prices central London making it impossible to live there if you’re even a average earner. Result overcrowded suburbs with supply and demand meaning £1500 a month to rent a one bedroom flat over a chip shop. Maybe the boom in working from home will pan out as a benefit to the rest of the country? Whilst the HS trains will free up capacity for fright i don’t see the need to get to London from Manchester 20 mins quicker of any great benefit. An extra motorway across the Pennines and a better train offering between the major cities in the North would surely be more beneficial to more people rather than the vanity project of HS2. £100billion is a lot of upgrade. Even after spending all that money on HS2 containers on the train from Liverpool to Hull still have to go via Birmingham due to low bridges on the most direct routes. | |||
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"I wouldn't worry about. Boris said he will 'level up'the north and I for one have total faith in him. Me too
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"When boris was asked about it he said it was very unfair. The fact that they have been in power for the best part of 50 years, apart from the blair era,must have escaped his attention. "now you know that just not true don’t you Lionel x but I know Mr H Wilson (Labour) closed more pits than Mrs M Thatcher Conservative) the milk snatcher x | |||
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"central london does great rest of london is just as shit as the rest of the country That’s property poverty though isn’t it. The donut effect of global prices central London making it impossible to live there if you’re even a average earner. Result overcrowded suburbs with supply and demand meaning £1500 a month to rent a one bedroom flat over a chip shop. Maybe the boom in working from home will pan out as a benefit to the rest of the country? Whilst the HS trains will free up capacity for fright i don’t see the need to get to London from Manchester 20 mins quicker of any great benefit. An extra motorway across the Pennines and a better train offering between the major cities in the North would surely be more beneficial to more people rather than the vanity project of HS2. £100billion is a lot of upgrade. Even after spending all that money on HS2 containers on the train from Liverpool to Hull still have to go via Birmingham due to low bridges on the most direct routes. " if only you would run for PM buddy I’d vote for ya in a blink I agree with everything you said linking up the northern city’s by motorway and train would be much better for the whole country amd save tens of billions if only eh | |||
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"central london does great rest of london is just as shit as the rest of the country That’s property poverty though isn’t it. The donut effect of global prices central London making it impossible to live there if you’re even a average earner. Result overcrowded suburbs with supply and demand meaning £1500 a month to rent a one bedroom flat over a chip shop. Maybe the boom in working from home will pan out as a benefit to the rest of the country? Whilst the HS trains will free up capacity for fright i don’t see the need to get to London from Manchester 20 mins quicker of any great benefit. An extra motorway across the Pennines and a better train offering between the major cities in the North would surely be more beneficial to more people rather than the vanity project of HS2. £100billion is a lot of upgrade. Even after spending all that money on HS2 containers on the train from Liverpool to Hull still have to go via Birmingham due to low bridges on the most direct routes. if only you would run for PM buddy I’d vote for ya in a blink I agree with everything you said linking up the northern city’s by motorway and train would be much better for the whole country amd save tens of billions if only eh " I’m not smart enough to undertake even 10% of this. Unlike our selfish MPs I admit it rather than pretend, bullshit and blatantly lie. Why do we let politicians just avoid questions. It’s now acceptable to just bullshit an answer rather than answer truthfully. If they set the example our society just follows. When do we demand the truth? If someone working for us bullshits an answer to avoid the blame rather than owning up we will return to the issue and discipline them. If they steal money it’s the sack and prosecution. MPs do this every day and we do nothing. | |||
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"To me we will never close all the gaps there’s to many in my opinion, infrastructure, employment opportunity’s, unequal wealth generation, & apart from the stabbings life expectancy, just a few of many. Preston to Manchester 1 hour on a train Preston to Leeds 2 hours on a train you can get there faster by car. Higher wages, shopping cost no more than up here really. I know people from the Greater London area buying property in the north as investments putting prices up artificially. But I’m sure Boris or whoever takes over will do what they can if it’s important for them to keep their noses in the trough, so for now it’s if they can do enough in time to convince us in the north to give them another chance. & Lionel I know that doesn’t include you dude x" exactly they rather invest heavily like never before in the north or there out it’s simple the next GE | |||
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"To me we will never close all the gaps there’s to many in my opinion, infrastructure, employment opportunity’s, unequal wealth generation, & apart from the stabbings life expectancy, just a few of many. Preston to Manchester 1 hour on a train Preston to Leeds 2 hours on a train you can get there faster by car. Higher wages, shopping cost no more than up here really. I know people from the Greater London area buying property in the north as investments putting prices up artificially. But I’m sure Boris or whoever takes over will do what they can if it’s important for them to keep their noses in the trough, so for now it’s if they can do enough in time to convince us in the north to give them another chance. & Lionel I know that doesn’t include you dude xexactly they rather invest heavily like never before in the north or there out it’s simple the next GE " When the mayoral elections happen - probably November - make sure you keep Houchen. | |||
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"To me we will never close all the gaps there’s to many in my opinion, infrastructure, employment opportunity’s, unequal wealth generation, & apart from the stabbings life expectancy, just a few of many. Preston to Manchester 1 hour on a train Preston to Leeds 2 hours on a train you can get there faster by car. Higher wages, shopping cost no more than up here really. I know people from the Greater London area buying property in the north as investments putting prices up artificially. But I’m sure Boris or whoever takes over will do what they can if it’s important for them to keep their noses in the trough, so for now it’s if they can do enough in time to convince us in the north to give them another chance. & Lionel I know that doesn’t include you dude xexactly they rather invest heavily like never before in the north or there out it’s simple the next GE When the mayoral elections happen - probably November - make sure you keep Houchen. " hope so he’s been good for Teesside and got some big plans fingers crossed he can see them through a swingers party would get our vote lol | |||
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"I wouldn't worry about. Boris said he will 'level up'the north and I for one have total faith in him." I know your being sarcastic but it will take at least 10 years or more to level things up it is impossible to do as quickly or as easily as Boris makes out | |||
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"I wouldn't worry about. Boris said he will 'level up'the north and I for one have total faith in him.I know your being sarcastic but it will take at least 10 years or more to level things up it is impossible to do as quickly or as easily as Boris makes out" Sarcastic? | |||
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"A recent study buy the university of Amsterdam has calculated that over the last twenty years the U.K. economy has lost a potential £6.5 Trillion in GDP due to London being the focus of all investment and therefore drawing both investment and human talent away from the regions. This has resulted in stifling potential growth in the regions. What would you do if you had control? " Move parliament from London, place it in Trafford park. | |||
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"To me we will never close all the gaps there’s to many in my opinion, infrastructure, employment opportunity’s, unequal wealth generation, & apart from the stabbings life expectancy, just a few of many. Preston to Manchester 1 hour on a train Preston to Leeds 2 hours on a train you can get there faster by car. Higher wages, shopping cost no more than up here really. I know people from the Greater London area buying property in the north as investments putting prices up artificially. But I’m sure Boris or whoever takes over will do what they can if it’s important for them to keep their noses in the trough, so for now it’s if they can do enough in time to convince us in the north to give them another chance. & Lionel I know that doesn’t include you dude xexactly they rather invest heavily like never before in the north or there out it’s simple the next GE When the mayoral elections happen - probably November - make sure you keep Houchen. hope so he’s been good for Teesside and got some big plans fingers crossed he can see them through a swingers party would get our vote lol" Swingers party rocking up in Westminster will frighten the crap out of them! Lol Actually thinking about it the only thing will be Tories buying more oranges after finding new friends. The labour group will be handing out whips to be used on themselves! My mind is definitely wandering now! | |||
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"To me we will never close all the gaps there’s to many in my opinion, infrastructure, employment opportunity’s, unequal wealth generation, & apart from the stabbings life expectancy, just a few of many. Preston to Manchester 1 hour on a train Preston to Leeds 2 hours on a train you can get there faster by car. Higher wages, shopping cost no more than up here really. I know people from the Greater London area buying property in the north as investments putting prices up artificially. But I’m sure Boris or whoever takes over will do what they can if it’s important for them to keep their noses in the trough, so for now it’s if they can do enough in time to convince us in the north to give them another chance. & Lionel I know that doesn’t include you dude x Boris can run off and be very rich now with a few board memberships so he’s not worried. Property wealth is only realised if you downsize or someone dies. If your average family’s house value goes up 10% per year it’s only theoretical wealth until they sell. You can’t spend bricks and mortar. We are obsessed with house prices because our governments know it’s critical to our GDP. We need more houses but there’s no way the government will allow too many to be built. if you have security in equity you can borrow at cheaper rates x It’s still not your money and you still pay interest " well seeing as you said house prices go up by 10% the interest rate say at 1 or 1.5% your making a capital profit, in any case your income from rent should cover the interest & other expenses. Now if you have enough equity to cover the deposit you will not have a problem getting the mortgage if you don’t you won’t find it easy or you will pay a high interest rate because your a higher risk. So can you say that if in London you’ve been making £25k plus a year on your house & say in Burnley you’ve made £2.5k a year, just by your own admission you must be able to see how quickly that makes a difference x | |||
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"To me we will never close all the gaps there’s to many in my opinion, infrastructure, employment opportunity’s, unequal wealth generation, & apart from the stabbings life expectancy, just a few of many. Preston to Manchester 1 hour on a train Preston to Leeds 2 hours on a train you can get there faster by car. Higher wages, shopping cost no more than up here really. I know people from the Greater London area buying property in the north as investments putting prices up artificially. But I’m sure Boris or whoever takes over will do what they can if it’s important for them to keep their noses in the trough, so for now it’s if they can do enough in time to convince us in the north to give them another chance. & Lionel I know that doesn’t include you dude x Boris can run off and be very rich now with a few board memberships so he’s not worried. Property wealth is only realised if you downsize or someone dies. If your average family’s house value goes up 10% per year it’s only theoretical wealth until they sell. You can’t spend bricks and mortar. We are obsessed with house prices because our governments know it’s critical to our GDP. We need more houses but there’s no way the government will allow too many to be built. if you have security in equity you can borrow at cheaper rates x It’s still not your money and you still pay interest well seeing as you said house prices go up by 10% the interest rate say at 1 or 1.5% your making a capital profit, in any case your income from rent should cover the interest & other expenses. Now if you have enough equity to cover the deposit you will not have a problem getting the mortgage if you don’t you won’t find it easy or you will pay a high interest rate because your a higher risk. So can you say that if in London you’ve been making £25k plus a year on your house & say in Burnley you’ve made £2.5k a year, just by your own admission you must be able to see how quickly that makes a difference x" Again only if you sell? Borrowing more is just borrowing more. The value increasing is great if you sell and downsize. Say if you sell tomorrow. Your money will buy the same house again or your neighbours house. No more! You have to move to a cheaper area or downsize to release that equity. Otherwise it’s just numbers on a piece of paper.you can’t buy groceries with it. | |||
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"To me we will never close all the gaps there’s to many in my opinion, infrastructure, employment opportunity’s, unequal wealth generation, & apart from the stabbings life expectancy, just a few of many. Preston to Manchester 1 hour on a train Preston to Leeds 2 hours on a train you can get there faster by car. Higher wages, shopping cost no more than up here really. I know people from the Greater London area buying property in the north as investments putting prices up artificially. But I’m sure Boris or whoever takes over will do what they can if it’s important for them to keep their noses in the trough, so for now it’s if they can do enough in time to convince us in the north to give them another chance. & Lionel I know that doesn’t include you dude x Boris can run off and be very rich now with a few board memberships so he’s not worried. Property wealth is only realised if you downsize or someone dies. If your average family’s house value goes up 10% per year it’s only theoretical wealth until they sell. You can’t spend bricks and mortar. We are obsessed with house prices because our governments know it’s critical to our GDP. We need more houses but there’s no way the government will allow too many to be built. if you have security in equity you can borrow at cheaper rates x It’s still not your money and you still pay interest well seeing as you said house prices go up by 10% the interest rate say at 1 or 1.5% your making a capital profit, in any case your income from rent should cover the interest & other expenses. Now if you have enough equity to cover the deposit you will not have a problem getting the mortgage if you don’t you won’t find it easy or you will pay a high interest rate because your a higher risk. So can you say that if in London you’ve been making £25k plus a year on your house & say in Burnley you’ve made £2.5k a year, just by your own admission you must be able to see how quickly that makes a difference x Again only if you sell? Borrowing more is just borrowing more. The value increasing is great if you sell and downsize. Say if you sell tomorrow. Your money will buy the same house again or your neighbours house. No more! You have to move to a cheaper area or downsize to release that equity. Otherwise it’s just numbers on a piece of paper.you can’t buy groceries with it. " you do not need to sell your house to raise equity, yes you do pay interest, but the theory on property speculation bubble & burst is done in this way. & you don’t need to down size just move & become very wealthy. So I let yo work it out you sell your house in London for say £600k profit after living there 20 years, you move north buy the same house for £150k you have £450k in the bank & put up with us lovely folk. You can’t sell your house for £150k in the north after 20 years only making a £50k profit, move to London & do the same. Can you see a difference now & the advantage it may give some? | |||
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"To me we will never close all the gaps there’s to many in my opinion, infrastructure, employment opportunity’s, unequal wealth generation, & apart from the stabbings life expectancy, just a few of many. Preston to Manchester 1 hour on a train Preston to Leeds 2 hours on a train you can get there faster by car. Higher wages, shopping cost no more than up here really. I know people from the Greater London area buying property in the north as investments putting prices up artificially. But I’m sure Boris or whoever takes over will do what they can if it’s important for them to keep their noses in the trough, so for now it’s if they can do enough in time to convince us in the north to give them another chance. & Lionel I know that doesn’t include you dude x Boris can run off and be very rich now with a few board memberships so he’s not worried. Property wealth is only realised if you downsize or someone dies. If your average family’s house value goes up 10% per year it’s only theoretical wealth until they sell. You can’t spend bricks and mortar. We are obsessed with house prices because our governments know it’s critical to our GDP. We need more houses but there’s no way the government will allow too many to be built. if you have security in equity you can borrow at cheaper rates x It’s still not your money and you still pay interest well seeing as you said house prices go up by 10% the interest rate say at 1 or 1.5% your making a capital profit, in any case your income from rent should cover the interest & other expenses. Now if you have enough equity to cover the deposit you will not have a problem getting the mortgage if you don’t you won’t find it easy or you will pay a high interest rate because your a higher risk. So can you say that if in London you’ve been making £25k plus a year on your house & say in Burnley you’ve made £2.5k a year, just by your own admission you must be able to see how quickly that makes a difference x Again only if you sell? Borrowing more is just borrowing more. The value increasing is great if you sell and downsize. Say if you sell tomorrow. Your money will buy the same house again or your neighbours house. No more! You have to move to a cheaper area or downsize to release that equity. Otherwise it’s just numbers on a piece of paper.you can’t buy groceries with it. you do not need to sell your house to raise equity, yes you do pay interest, but the theory on property speculation bubble & burst is done in this way. & you don’t need to down size just move & become very wealthy. So I let yo work it out you sell your house in London for say £600k profit after living there 20 years, you move north buy the same house for £150k you have £450k in the bank & put up with us lovely folk. You can’t sell your house for £150k in the north after 20 years only making a £50k profit, move to London & do the same. Can you see a difference now & the advantage it may give some? I totally understand which is why I think the bias towards London disrupts our economy totally. You only get your profit changing your location dramatically and away from your home area. Once you move you can’t go back. What if you decide fuck I want to go home? You can’t because you need to spend more than you have. Again as I said profit from from downsizing or moving to a cheaper area. If you want to stay in the area you love and close to your family friends etc you can’t access that equity without borrowing. It’s only cash if you jump down in value.,if the home owner in the north is happy he is no worse off by staying with his family and friends. You’ve moved and have cash but are trapped by your costs to move, making your move permanent. If you’re happy that’s great as you have cash but what if you’re not happy? What do you do? You’re fucked . " But is still an inequality, as I say I know a couple who because of the equity they have in their house in London have been investing in the northern property market for several years, they would not of gained the same amount of equity in the same house up here so would never of had the same opportunity to do this. X | |||
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"central london does great rest of london is just as shit as the rest of the country" With higher rent and house prices. | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast "That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them. Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster. | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster."Where do you start with that?  | |||
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"Just to point out since 1979 the conservatives have been in in power for 27 years. Labour 13. So the desire to somehow pin this gulf in labour is actually amusing. Keep it up "Approx one third of the time & the problem then, seems fair to me? So for every two conservative PMs doing fck all about it there was one Labour one. Hardly a resounding Conservative problem really? But if it is please show what Labour did about it while in power? Before you look though the answer is sweet FA. S | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster.
Where do you start with that? "Maybe wouldn't go that far but Blair certainly dragged the party to the right,a process followed by brown and Miliband. When Corbyn came in there was a dramatic change which is the cause of all the ruckus which is still going on now. Ks apparently wants to go down the Blair route. | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster.
Where do you start with that? "A ban on standing to be a MP until you are forty would be a start, clear the swamp of career & “In it for the money” MP’s Immediate pay rise to £100k py followed by a clearing out of the sycophantic clowns that run the ministerial expenses dept. Immediate ban on the £250 “No receipt required rule. Buy a nice London hotel, convert it for MP use only, anyone working in Westminster past 8pm or from more than 100 miles away stays there for free including food etc. The rest can fck off home & commute like everyone else. Zero second home payments, no furnishings, no home expenses, pay for it out of your salary like every other fcker does! With the House of Lords you click in & out, the £300 attendance money is then made proportionate to how long you spend there. You have to start somewhere so if we all think they are a shower of shit & not fit for purpose then make sure we are paying them the right amount for the job. How’s that for a start? S | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster.
Where do you start with that?
Maybe wouldn't go that far but Blair certainly dragged the party to the right,a process followed by brown and Miliband.
When Corbyn came in there was a dramatic change which is the cause of all the ruckus which is still going on now.
Ks apparently wants to go down the Blair route."KS doesn't know where he wants to go, he's a follower not a leader | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster.
Where do you start with that?
A ban on standing to be a MP until you are forty would be a start, clear the swamp of career & “In it for the money” MP’s
Immediate pay rise to £100k py followed by a clearing out of the sycophantic clowns that run the ministerial expenses dept. Immediate ban on the £250 “No receipt required rule.
Buy a nice London hotel, convert it for MP use only, anyone working in Westminster past 8pm or from more than 100 miles away stays there for free including food etc. The rest can fck off home & commute like everyone else.
Zero second home payments, no furnishings, no home expenses, pay for it out of your salary like every other fcker does!
With the House of Lords you click in & out, the £300 attendance money is then made proportionate to how long you spend there.
You have to start somewhere so if we all think they are a shower of shit & not fit for purpose then make sure we are paying them the right amount for the job.
How’s that for a start?
S"An easier start would be to simply move Parliament to somewhere between Birmingham and Manchester | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster.
Where do you start with that?
A ban on standing to be a MP until you are forty would be a start, clear the swamp of career & “In it for the money” MP’s
Immediate pay rise to £100k py followed by a clearing out of the sycophantic clowns that run the ministerial expenses dept. Immediate ban on the £250 “No receipt required rule.
Buy a nice London hotel, convert it for MP use only, anyone working in Westminster past 8pm or from more than 100 miles away stays there for free including food etc. The rest can fck off home & commute like everyone else.
Zero second home payments, no furnishings, no home expenses, pay for it out of your salary like every other fcker does!
With the House of Lords you click in & out, the £300 attendance money is then made proportionate to how long you spend there.
You have to start somewhere so if we all think they are a shower of shit & not fit for purpose then make sure we are paying them the right amount for the job.
How’s that for a start?
S"I wouldn't disagree with any of that. For many years in discussions with friends and acquaintances I've always said a lot of the problem has been career politicians. No experience of the real world. School, university, find a job with their party of choice, work their way up and if lucky are put forward. A job in the 'real' world wouldn't hurt for 20 years or so, outside of whichever political bubble. All parties have those that are in it for what they can get out of it, Tory, labour, lib Dems etc. Look back over the years, sex scandals, duck houses, back handers. Not just one party. Not just one country. Power corrupts, always has done. A new party, the swinger's party, would start with the best intentions, but like others before them, infighting and corruption in a decade or so they will just be another party. Maybe a parliament of independents would help, no affiliation but then there would have to be deals done. Maybe the answer is a dictatorship. But they don't go well either.  | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster.
Where do you start with that?
A ban on standing to be a MP until you are forty would be a start, clear the swamp of career & “In it for the money” MP’s
Immediate pay rise to £100k py followed by a clearing out of the sycophantic clowns that run the ministerial expenses dept. Immediate ban on the £250 “No receipt required rule.
Buy a nice London hotel, convert it for MP use only, anyone working in Westminster past 8pm or from more than 100 miles away stays there for free including food etc. The rest can fck off home & commute like everyone else.
Zero second home payments, no furnishings, no home expenses, pay for it out of your salary like every other fcker does!
With the House of Lords you click in & out, the £300 attendance money is then made proportionate to how long you spend there.
You have to start somewhere so if we all think they are a shower of shit & not fit for purpose then make sure we are paying them the right amount for the job.
How’s that for a start?
S
I wouldn't disagree with any of that. For many years in discussions with friends and acquaintances I've always said a lot of the problem has been career politicians. No experience of the real world. School, university, find a job with their party of choice, work their way up and if lucky are put forward. A job in the 'real' world wouldn't hurt for 20 years or so, outside of whichever political bubble.
All parties have those that are in it for what they can get out of it, Tory, labour, lib Dems etc. Look back over the years, sex scandals, duck houses, back handers. Not just one party. Not just one country. Power corrupts, always has done. A new party, the swinger's party, would start with the best intentions, but like others before them, infighting and corruption in a decade or so they will just be another party. Maybe a parliament of independents would help, no affiliation but then there would have to be deals done. Maybe the answer is a dictatorship. But they don't go well either. "Why not raise the voting age? Who has much life experience at 18? And the human brain isn't fully formed until it's 28. That might be why a lot of youngsters supported Corbyn and vote for Labour | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster.
Where do you start with that?
A ban on standing to be a MP until you are forty would be a start, clear the swamp of career & “In it for the money” MP’s
Immediate pay rise to £100k py followed by a clearing out of the sycophantic clowns that run the ministerial expenses dept. Immediate ban on the £250 “No receipt required rule.
Buy a nice London hotel, convert it for MP use only, anyone working in Westminster past 8pm or from more than 100 miles away stays there for free including food etc. The rest can fck off home & commute like everyone else.
Zero second home payments, no furnishings, no home expenses, pay for it out of your salary like every other fcker does!
With the House of Lords you click in & out, the £300 attendance money is then made proportionate to how long you spend there.
You have to start somewhere so if we all think they are a shower of shit & not fit for purpose then make sure we are paying them the right amount for the job.
How’s that for a start?
S
An easier start would be to simply move Parliament to somewhere between Birmingham and Manchester "Don’t think that’s fair on Stoke. .
I definitely agree with the above re-setting the whole thing on eligibility and expenses.. I would add as I’ve said before, you must have lived in a constituency for at least 5 years prior to being allowed as a candidate. No more stooges parachuted in. | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster.
Where do you start with that?
A ban on standing to be a MP until you are forty would be a start, clear the swamp of career & “In it for the money” MP’s
Immediate pay rise to £100k py followed by a clearing out of the sycophantic clowns that run the ministerial expenses dept. Immediate ban on the £250 “No receipt required rule.
Buy a nice London hotel, convert it for MP use only, anyone working in Westminster past 8pm or from more than 100 miles away stays there for free including food etc. The rest can fck off home & commute like everyone else.
Zero second home payments, no furnishings, no home expenses, pay for it out of your salary like every other fcker does!
With the House of Lords you click in & out, the £300 attendance money is then made proportionate to how long you spend there.
You have to start somewhere so if we all think they are a shower of shit & not fit for purpose then make sure we are paying them the right amount for the job.
How’s that for a start?
S
I wouldn't disagree with any of that. For many years in discussions with friends and acquaintances I've always said a lot of the problem has been career politicians. No experience of the real world. School, university, find a job with their party of choice, work their way up and if lucky are put forward. A job in the 'real' world wouldn't hurt for 20 years or so, outside of whichever political bubble.
All parties have those that are in it for what they can get out of it, Tory, labour, lib Dems etc. Look back over the years, sex scandals, duck houses, back handers. Not just one party. Not just one country. Power corrupts, always has done. A new party, the swinger's party, would start with the best intentions, but like others before them, infighting and corruption in a decade or so they will just be another party. Maybe a parliament of independents would help, no affiliation but then there would have to be deals done. Maybe the answer is a dictatorship. But they don't go well either.
Why not raise the voting age? Who has much life experience at 18? And the human brain isn't fully formed until it's 28. That might be why a lot of youngsters supported Corbyn and vote for Labour "Mirror that with over 65’s. They’ve stopped working mostly and are a bit senile so voted for Boris! They knew their place in those days and a fine upstanding gentleman from Elton is just the ticket to keep Jonny foreigner in his place! | |||
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"A thread about the growing gap between London and the rest of the uk decends into a slinging match about a labour leader who left office in 2007. You actually couldnt make it up if you tried "Wasnt it your first post slagging of the tories yet again that started it? why not contribute something to the op thread for a change instead of pursuing your own agenda to bash tories? | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster.
Where do you start with that?
A ban on standing to be a MP until you are forty would be a start, clear the swamp of career & “In it for the money” MP’s
Immediate pay rise to £100k py followed by a clearing out of the sycophantic clowns that run the ministerial expenses dept. Immediate ban on the £250 “No receipt required rule.
Buy a nice London hotel, convert it for MP use only, anyone working in Westminster past 8pm or from more than 100 miles away stays there for free including food etc. The rest can fck off home & commute like everyone else.
Zero second home payments, no furnishings, no home expenses, pay for it out of your salary like every other fcker does!
With the House of Lords you click in & out, the £300 attendance money is then made proportionate to how long you spend there.
You have to start somewhere so if we all think they are a shower of shit & not fit for purpose then make sure we are paying them the right amount for the job.
How’s that for a start?
S
An easier start would be to simply move Parliament to somewhere between Birmingham and Manchester
Don’t think that’s fair on Stoke. .
I definitely agree with the above re-setting the whole thing on eligibility and expenses.. I would add as I’ve said before, you must have lived in a constituency for at least 5 years prior to being allowed as a candidate. No more stooges parachuted in. "True
But somewhere in the middle of the country would make more sense, be more accessible, cheaper and create jobs around that area. The houses of Parliament could then be opened up as a tourist attraction, making money for the government and hopefully MPs would be in the job for the right reason and not just for the kudos of working in Westminster
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster.
Where do you start with that?
A ban on standing to be a MP until you are forty would be a start, clear the swamp of career & “In it for the money” MP’s
Immediate pay rise to £100k py followed by a clearing out of the sycophantic clowns that run the ministerial expenses dept. Immediate ban on the £250 “No receipt required rule.
Buy a nice London hotel, convert it for MP use only, anyone working in Westminster past 8pm or from more than 100 miles away stays there for free including food etc. The rest can fck off home & commute like everyone else.
Zero second home payments, no furnishings, no home expenses, pay for it out of your salary like every other fcker does!
With the House of Lords you click in & out, the £300 attendance money is then made proportionate to how long you spend there.
You have to start somewhere so if we all think they are a shower of shit & not fit for purpose then make sure we are paying them the right amount for the job.
How’s that for a start?
S"Good idea apart from i would get rid of the house of lords or keep it as a historic token with a few dozen lords as they will only click in the go for a subsidised meal or to the bar all day while watching the money roll in.  | |||
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"A thread about the growing gap between London and the rest of the uk decends into a slinging match about a labour leader who left office in 2007. You actually couldnt make it up if you tried Wasnt it your first post slagging of the tories yet again that started it? why not contribute something to the op thread for a change instead of pursuing your own agenda to bash tories?"Nope I said boris said he would level up and we all know he is a man of his word. | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster.
Where do you start with that?
A ban on standing to be a MP until you are forty would be a start, clear the swamp of career & “In it for the money” MP’s
Immediate pay rise to £100k py followed by a clearing out of the sycophantic clowns that run the ministerial expenses dept. Immediate ban on the £250 “No receipt required rule.
Buy a nice London hotel, convert it for MP use only, anyone working in Westminster past 8pm or from more than 100 miles away stays there for free including food etc. The rest can fck off home & commute like everyone else.
Zero second home payments, no furnishings, no home expenses, pay for it out of your salary like every other fcker does!
With the House of Lords you click in & out, the £300 attendance money is then made proportionate to how long you spend there.
You have to start somewhere so if we all think they are a shower of shit & not fit for purpose then make sure we are paying them the right amount for the job.
How’s that for a start?
S
An easier start would be to simply move Parliament to somewhere between Birmingham and Manchester
Don’t think that’s fair on Stoke. .
I definitely agree with the above re-setting the whole thing on eligibility and expenses.. I would add as I’ve said before, you must have lived in a constituency for at least 5 years prior to being allowed as a candidate. No more stooges parachuted in. "Agree with that Always remember some labour mp labour parachuted in to st Helens who claimed he lived in some 2 up/2 down terrace.He actually lived in some big fuck off 6 bedroomed house. | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster.
Where do you start with that?
A ban on standing to be a MP until you are forty would be a start, clear the swamp of career & “In it for the money” MP’s
Immediate pay rise to £100k py followed by a clearing out of the sycophantic clowns that run the ministerial expenses dept. Immediate ban on the £250 “No receipt required rule.
Buy a nice London hotel, convert it for MP use only, anyone working in Westminster past 8pm or from more than 100 miles away stays there for free including food etc. The rest can fck off home & commute like everyone else.
Zero second home payments, no furnishings, no home expenses, pay for it out of your salary like every other fcker does!
With the House of Lords you click in & out, the £300 attendance money is then made proportionate to how long you spend there.
You have to start somewhere so if we all think they are a shower of shit & not fit for purpose then make sure we are paying them the right amount for the job.
How’s that for a start?
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I wouldn't disagree with any of that. For many years in discussions with friends and acquaintances I've always said a lot of the problem has been career politicians. No experience of the real world. School, university, find a job with their party of choice, work their way up and if lucky are put forward. A job in the 'real' world wouldn't hurt for 20 years or so, outside of whichever political bubble.
All parties have those that are in it for what they can get out of it, Tory, labour, lib Dems etc. Look back over the years, sex scandals, duck houses, back handers. Not just one party. Not just one country. Power corrupts, always has done. A new party, the swinger's party, would start with the best intentions, but like others before them, infighting and corruption in a decade or so they will just be another party. Maybe a parliament of independents would help, no affiliation but then there would have to be deals done. Maybe the answer is a dictatorship. But they don't go well either.
Why not raise the voting age? Who has much life experience at 18? And the human brain isn't fully formed until it's 28. That might be why a lot of youngsters supported Corbyn and vote for Labour
Mirror that with over 65’s. They’ve stopped working mostly and are a bit senile so voted for Boris! They knew their place in those days and a fine upstanding gentleman from Elton is just the ticket to keep Jonny foreigner in his place! "Werent they opposed to lowering the voting age? | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster.
Where do you start with that?
A ban on standing to be a MP until you are forty would be a start, clear the swamp of career & “In it for the money” MP’s
Immediate pay rise to £100k py followed by a clearing out of the sycophantic clowns that run the ministerial expenses dept. Immediate ban on the £250 “No receipt required rule.
Buy a nice London hotel, convert it for MP use only, anyone working in Westminster past 8pm or from more than 100 miles away stays there for free including food etc. The rest can fck off home & commute like everyone else.
Zero second home payments, no furnishings, no home expenses, pay for it out of your salary like every other fcker does!
With the House of Lords you click in & out, the £300 attendance money is then made proportionate to how long you spend there.
You have to start somewhere so if we all think they are a shower of shit & not fit for purpose then make sure we are paying them the right amount for the job.
How’s that for a start?
S
I wouldn't disagree with any of that. For many years in discussions with friends and acquaintances I've always said a lot of the problem has been career politicians. No experience of the real world. School, university, find a job with their party of choice, work their way up and if lucky are put forward. A job in the 'real' world wouldn't hurt for 20 years or so, outside of whichever political bubble.
All parties have those that are in it for what they can get out of it, Tory, labour, lib Dems etc. Look back over the years, sex scandals, duck houses, back handers. Not just one party. Not just one country. Power corrupts, always has done. A new party, the swinger's party, would start with the best intentions, but like others before them, infighting and corruption in a decade or so they will just be another party. Maybe a parliament of independents would help, no affiliation but then there would have to be deals done. Maybe the answer is a dictatorship. But they don't go well either.
Why not raise the voting age? Who has much life experience at 18? And the human brain isn't fully formed until it's 28. That might be why a lot of youngsters supported Corbyn and vote for Labour
Mirror that with over 65’s. They’ve stopped working mostly and are a bit senile so voted for Boris! They knew their place in those days and a fine upstanding gentleman from Elton is just the ticket to keep Jonny foreigner in his place!
Werent they opposed to lowering the voting age?"I really can’t make up my mind on the voting age for the younger generation. What we do affects their future too. Should it be sixteen? We say that’s ok for sex and having children. So why not voting? Although driver a car is beyond them still! It’s all a bit crap as I see it. | |||
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"The Sooner London becomes a Free Independent Nation The Better It will always be held back by the struggling Lesser constituent parts of Britain ." Yes over history trading fortunes were made on items manufactured everywhere else in this union but London. The money collected from the industrial heartlands paid for the Empire and all that wealth again went to London. Sadly how little has changed. Today with the wealth taken into London from the rest of the U.K. they have been able to use that money to develop beneficial financial business ties with the rest of the world. Which is my original point as due to government bias that opportunity is not so readily available to the rest of the country. It would be interesting to see who would starve first if we built a wall around London and banned flights. As with “Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy” we could send The city of London off in the first spaceship to another planet with the other two filled with engineers manufactures and manual workers to follow on ASAP .. well ,,, eventually honest! | |||
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"it appears an extremely anglocentric discussion considering the title of the thread. perhaps it is indicative of the nature of the english psyche in relationship to the so called union." Given devolution in various parts of the union I would have thought that is to be expected. We tend now not to discuss as one. Sad in my option as together we have always been stronger without ever really losing our individual identities. I’m sure a Cornish man considers himself Cornish before British but he will still fight for this island as a whole when asked. Isn’t that the true test of a union? | |||
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"The Sooner London becomes a Free Independent Nation The Better It will always be held back by the struggling Lesser constituent parts of Britain . Yes over history trading fortunes were made on items manufactured everywhere else in this union but London. The money collected from the industrial heartlands paid for the Empire and all that wealth again went to London. Sadly how little has changed. Today with the wealth taken into London from the rest of the U.K. they have been able to use that money to develop beneficial financial business ties with the rest of the world. Which is my original point as due to government bias that opportunity is not so readily available to the rest of the country. It would be interesting to see who would starve first if we built a wall around London and banned flights. As with “Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy” we could send The city of London off in the first spaceship to another planet with the other two filled with engineers manufactures and manual workers to follow on ASAP .. well ,,, eventually honest! " aw please tell me that’s doable mate lmao | |||
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"The Sooner London becomes a Free Independent Nation The Better It will always be held back by the struggling Lesser constituent parts of Britain . Yes over history trading fortunes were made on items manufactured everywhere else in this union but London. The money collected from the industrial heartlands paid for the Empire and all that wealth again went to London. Sadly how little has changed. Today with the wealth taken into London from the rest of the U.K. they have been able to use that money to develop beneficial financial business ties with the rest of the world. Which is my original point as due to government bias that opportunity is not so readily available to the rest of the country. It would be interesting to see who would starve first if we built a wall around London and banned flights. As with “Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy” we could send The city of London off in the first spaceship to another planet with the other two filled with engineers manufactures and manual workers to follow on ASAP .. well ,,, eventually honest! " London wouldn't Starve. The docks would come back & the wealth would be spent . The City of London is tiny & already is its own Corporation . I assumed you were talking about the Capital City ! | |||
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"The Sooner London becomes a Free Independent Nation The Better It will always be held back by the struggling Lesser constituent parts of Britain . Yes over history trading fortunes were made on items manufactured everywhere else in this union but London. The money collected from the industrial heartlands paid for the Empire and all that wealth again went to London. Sadly how little has changed. Today with the wealth taken into London from the rest of the U.K. they have been able to use that money to develop beneficial financial business ties with the rest of the world. Which is my original point as due to government bias that opportunity is not so readily available to the rest of the country. It would be interesting to see who would starve first if we built a wall around London and banned flights. As with “Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy” we could send The city of London off in the first spaceship to another planet with the other two filled with engineers manufactures and manual workers to follow on ASAP .. well ,,, eventually honest! London wouldn't Starve. The docks would come back & the wealth would be spent . The City of London is tiny & already is its own Corporation . I assumed you were talking about the Capital City !" Yep and its own police force but some dont know the difference from london and the city of london. | |||
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"The Sooner London becomes a Free Independent Nation The Better It will always be held back by the struggling Lesser constituent parts of Britain . Yes over history trading fortunes were made on items manufactured everywhere else in this union but London. The money collected from the industrial heartlands paid for the Empire and all that wealth again went to London. Sadly how little has changed. Today with the wealth taken into London from the rest of the U.K. they have been able to use that money to develop beneficial financial business ties with the rest of the world. Which is my original point as due to government bias that opportunity is not so readily available to the rest of the country. It would be interesting to see who would starve first if we built a wall around London and banned flights. As with “Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy” we could send The city of London off in the first spaceship to another planet with the other two filled with engineers manufactures and manual workers to follow on ASAP .. well ,,, eventually honest! London wouldn't Starve. The docks would come back & the wealth would be spent . The City of London is tiny & already is its own Corporation . I assumed you were talking about the Capital City !Yep and its own police force but some dont know the difference from london and the city of london. "Plenty do I find the ones who dont have very little to do with that London | |||
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"A wall round the m25would do a big one tho " Why ? I mean to me You are a Southern Softie being that i was born further North than you live .
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"The Sooner London becomes a Free Independent Nation The Better It will always be held back by the struggling Lesser constituent parts of Britain . Yes over history trading fortunes were made on items manufactured everywhere else in this union but London. The money collected from the industrial heartlands paid for the Empire and all that wealth again went to London. Sadly how little has changed. Today with the wealth taken into London from the rest of the U.K. they have been able to use that money to develop beneficial financial business ties with the rest of the world. Which is my original point as due to government bias that opportunity is not so readily available to the rest of the country. It would be interesting to see who would starve first if we built a wall around London and banned flights. As with “Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy” we could send The city of London off in the first spaceship to another planet with the other two filled with engineers manufactures and manual workers to follow on ASAP .. well ,,, eventually honest! London wouldn't Starve. The docks would come back & the wealth would be spent . The City of London is tiny & already is its own Corporation . I assumed you were talking about the Capital City !" Amazing history and political geography are wonderful subjects. lol. Indeed I do know. So I do include the isle of dogs, canary wharf in my actual discussion even though with its large banking concentration it’s outside of the city of Westminster it is still inferred as the city. When you say the north do you mean anything north of St Albans or maybe north of Luton for example. The debate is the concentration of more of the UK’s funds in one area has lead to the rest of the country losing its fair share of cash and opportunity. . When the figure of £4000 per person spent on public in the south east I suspect that’s not restricted to the city of Westminster . Glad we cleared that up. So now back to my original point on the subject of how do we redress the balance. Btw this isn’t aimed at banking it’s across industry but mainly the political choices that have repeatedly disadvantaged the other regions . | |||
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"The Sooner London becomes a Free Independent Nation The Better It will always be held back by the struggling Lesser constituent parts of Britain . Yes over history trading fortunes were made on items manufactured everywhere else in this union but London. The money collected from the industrial heartlands paid for the Empire and all that wealth again went to London. Sadly how little has changed. Today with the wealth taken into London from the rest of the U.K. they have been able to use that money to develop beneficial financial business ties with the rest of the world. Which is my original point as due to government bias that opportunity is not so readily available to the rest of the country. It would be interesting to see who would starve first if we built a wall around London and banned flights. As with “Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy” we could send The city of London off in the first spaceship to another planet with the other two filled with engineers manufactures and manual workers to follow on ASAP .. well ,,, eventually honest! London wouldn't Starve. The docks would come back & the wealth would be spent . The City of London is tiny & already is its own Corporation . I assumed you were talking about the Capital City ! Amazing history and political geography are wonderful subjects. lol. Indeed I do know. So I do include the isle of dogs, canary wharf in my actual discussion even though with its large banking concentration it’s outside of the city of Westminster it is still inferred as the city. When you say the north do you mean anything north of St Albans or maybe north of Luton for example. The debate is the concentration of more of the UK’s funds in one area has lead to the rest of the country losing its fair share of cash and opportunity. . When the figure of £4000 per person spent on public in the south east I suspect that’s not restricted to the city of Westminster . Glad we cleared that up. So now back to my original point on the subject of how do we redress the balance. Btw this isn’t aimed at banking it’s across industry but mainly the political choices that have repeatedly disadvantaged the other regions . " I havent mentioned the North until now | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster."Jim Callaghan the PM that shut more pits than Thatcher. The centre line in politics is still there, just because you don’t agree with something doesn’t make it right wing, & everything you agree with, doesn’t mean it’s not left wing. Tony Blair was a centralist just as the Tories are now, that’s what the Tories learnt from Blair, you need the central ground to control Westminster, partly because both parties lost the confidence of the Scottish voter to the SNP. Thatcher was to the right not far right, just as Corbyn was to the left not far left, (Micheal Foot being far more openly militant left than Corbyn) Thatcher certainly wouldn’t of been as generous as this shower have been over Covid, like you & a few others who lived in those times I remember the shit that went on well. Thatcher was a TORY if you like as Corbyn was LABOUR, most of today’s politicians are in it as a career politician driven by media opinion, & their greed for feeding in the trough, not all but most on all sides x Just my opinion mind xx | |||
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"The Sooner London becomes a Free Independent Nation The Better It will always be held back by the struggling Lesser constituent parts of Britain . Yes over history trading fortunes were made on items manufactured everywhere else in this union but London. The money collected from the industrial heartlands paid for the Empire and all that wealth again went to London. Sadly how little has changed. Today with the wealth taken into London from the rest of the U.K. they have been able to use that money to develop beneficial financial business ties with the rest of the world. Which is my original point as due to government bias that opportunity is not so readily available to the rest of the country. It would be interesting to see who would starve first if we built a wall around London and banned flights. As with “Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy” we could send The city of London off in the first spaceship to another planet with the other two filled with engineers manufactures and manual workers to follow on ASAP .. well ,,, eventually honest! London wouldn't Starve. The docks would come back & the wealth would be spent . The City of London is tiny & already is its own Corporation . I assumed you were talking about the Capital City ! Amazing history and political geography are wonderful subjects. lol. Indeed I do know. So I do include the isle of dogs, canary wharf in my actual discussion even though with its large banking concentration it’s outside of the city of Westminster it is still inferred as the city. When you say the north do you mean anything north of St Albans or maybe north of Luton for example. The debate is the concentration of more of the UK’s funds in one area has lead to the rest of the country losing its fair share of cash and opportunity. . When the figure of £4000 per person spent on public in the south east I suspect that’s not restricted to the city of Westminster . Glad we cleared that up. So now back to my original point on the subject of how do we redress the balance. Btw this isn’t aimed at banking it’s across industry but mainly the political choices that have repeatedly disadvantaged the other regions . I havent mentioned the North until now" It was an example of speaking figuratively or anecdotally if you prefer . The principal is still the same. You seemed to think everyone was ignorant of the city and London so I put it in perspective. It was a response to your post not you personally . | |||
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"The Sooner London becomes a Free Independent Nation The Better It will always be held back by the struggling Lesser constituent parts of Britain ." Cool, M25 boundary or North/South circular? PS where is your food & drinking water coming from once the border is up? & what do you have to trade for it? ;-) S (Born in Brixton) | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster. Jim Callaghan the PM that shut more pits than Thatcher. The centre line in politics is still there, just because you don’t agree with something doesn’t make it right wing, & everything you agree with, doesn’t mean it’s not left wing. Tony Blair was a centralist just as the Tories are now, that’s what the Tories learnt from Blair, you need the central ground to control Westminster, partly because both parties lost the confidence of the Scottish voter to the SNP. Thatcher was to the right not far right, just as Corbyn was to the left not far left, (Micheal Foot being far more openly militant left than Corbyn) Thatcher certainly wouldn’t of been as generous as this shower have been over Covid, like you & a few others who lived in those times I remember the shit that went on well. Thatcher was a TORY if you like as Corbyn was LABOUR, most of today’s politicians are in it as a career politician driven by media opinion, & their greed for feeding in the trough, not all but most on all sides x Just my opinion mind xx"I do broadly agree with you. Re. Callaghan, i didn't say he was a good PM, just that he was the last one that could be termed in any way to do with the traditional labour party. If there has been a good PM within my lifetime, it would have to be at some time before i developed any real political awareness. I think you are right that it's not all politicians, but pretty well every one that gets as far as a cabinet position is bent as a nine bob note. (pre-decimalisation simile that you youngsters won't understand, suffice to say that there never was such a thing as a 9 shillings note, any such item would be unmistakably an extremely poor quality forgery). In the old days there were corrupt politicians, but they were individually corrupt, with back alley deals taking envelopes full of £10 notes in return for minor favours. Now it has become an institution of corruption, where cabinet members (not just tories, Blair's lot were as bad) openly give multi-million pound contracts to friends and relatives, with the total knowledge and collusion of every other member of the cabinet. They don't even hide it from the public any more, who have become so inured to it that everybody just says "well, they're all the same", "there's nothing we can do about it", "oh that's politics for you", "yeah, but person XYZ would be so much worse". Meanwhile all the money and power stays not in London as such, but in the hands of the parasite elite that make the south east their locality, and London their gangster headquarters. The rest of the country is of no concern to them other than being a distant region that they can suck any remaining money from. | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster. Jim Callaghan the PM that shut more pits than Thatcher. The centre line in politics is still there, just because you don’t agree with something doesn’t make it right wing, & everything you agree with, doesn’t mean it’s not left wing. Tony Blair was a centralist just as the Tories are now, that’s what the Tories learnt from Blair, you need the central ground to control Westminster, partly because both parties lost the confidence of the Scottish voter to the SNP. Thatcher was to the right not far right, just as Corbyn was to the left not far left, (Micheal Foot being far more openly militant left than Corbyn) Thatcher certainly wouldn’t of been as generous as this shower have been over Covid, like you & a few others who lived in those times I remember the shit that went on well. Thatcher was a TORY if you like as Corbyn was LABOUR, most of today’s politicians are in it as a career politician driven by media opinion, & their greed for feeding in the trough, not all but most on all sides x Just my opinion mind xx"You may be right about callaghan but Thatcher actually gloried in what she did. She called ordaibary working people "the Enemy within 'and showed no remorse in destroying 1000s of families. That is why she is so reviled. There is an argument that says when labour move to the centre, it pushes the tories even further to the right. Corbyn tempered them and may actually hijacked some of the their suggestions (workers on the board for eg)and that free broadband isnt looking so insane now is it? As for furlough..they literally didnt have a choice.The country would have tanked otherwise and they will get every penny back. | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster. Jim Callaghan the PM that shut more pits than Thatcher. The centre line in politics is still there, just because you don’t agree with something doesn’t make it right wing, & everything you agree with, doesn’t mean it’s not left wing. Tony Blair was a centralist just as the Tories are now, that’s what the Tories learnt from Blair, you need the central ground to control Westminster, partly because both parties lost the confidence of the Scottish voter to the SNP. Thatcher was to the right not far right, just as Corbyn was to the left not far left, (Micheal Foot being far more openly militant left than Corbyn) Thatcher certainly wouldn’t of been as generous as this shower have been over Covid, like you & a few others who lived in those times I remember the shit that went on well. Thatcher was a TORY if you like as Corbyn was LABOUR, most of today’s politicians are in it as a career politician driven by media opinion, & their greed for feeding in the trough, not all but most on all sides x Just my opinion mind xx
You may be right about callaghan but Thatcher actually gloried in what she did.
She called ordaibary working people "the Enemy within 'and showed no remorse in destroying 1000s of families.
That is why she is so reviled.
There is an argument that says when labour move to the centre, it pushes the tories even further to the right.
Corbyn tempered them and may actually hijacked some of the their suggestions (workers on the board for eg)and that free broadband isnt looking so insane now is it?
As for furlough..they literally didnt have a choice.The country would have tanked otherwise and they will get every penny back."Come on Lionel she did far worse than that she destroyed whole community’s & it’s still affecting those areas today in many ways. SKS is very keen to persuade many that labour are back to the centre because that’s where the current lot are trying to hold on to. He’s not trying to show left of JC so your theory holds no water as it works both ways. & I’m dam sure Thatcher would of let good businesses go to the wall again before stepping in & doing something like she did when she first came to power. Don’t forget ‘it wasn’t the governments money, but yours the tax payers money’ as she use to say x | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster. Jim Callaghan the PM that shut more pits than Thatcher. The centre line in politics is still there, just because you don’t agree with something doesn’t make it right wing, & everything you agree with, doesn’t mean it’s not left wing. Tony Blair was a centralist just as the Tories are now, that’s what the Tories learnt from Blair, you need the central ground to control Westminster, partly because both parties lost the confidence of the Scottish voter to the SNP. Thatcher was to the right not far right, just as Corbyn was to the left not far left, (Micheal Foot being far more openly militant left than Corbyn) Thatcher certainly wouldn’t of been as generous as this shower have been over Covid, like you & a few others who lived in those times I remember the shit that went on well. Thatcher was a TORY if you like as Corbyn was LABOUR, most of today’s politicians are in it as a career politician driven by media opinion, & their greed for feeding in the trough, not all but most on all sides x Just my opinion mind xx
You may be right about callaghan but Thatcher actually gloried in what she did.
She called ordaibary working people "the Enemy within 'and showed no remorse in destroying 1000s of families.
That is why she is so reviled.
There is an argument that says when labour move to the centre, it pushes the tories even further to the right.
Corbyn tempered them and may actually hijacked some of the their suggestions (workers on the board for eg)and that free broadband isnt looking so insane now is it?
As for furlough..they literally didnt have a choice.The country would have tanked otherwise and they will get every penny back. Come on Lionel she did far worse than that she destroyed whole community’s & it’s still affecting those areas today in many ways.
SKS is very keen to persuade many that labour are back to the centre because that’s where the current lot are trying to hold on to. He’s not trying to show left of JC so your theory holds no water as it works both ways. & I’m dam sure Thatcher would of let good businesses go to the wall again before stepping in & doing something like she did when she first came to power. Don’t forget ‘it wasn’t the governments money, but yours the tax payers money’ as she use to say x"Thats what I said about her! When labour moved to the centre..the Tories moved further right (remember ids) They also neglected big chunks of the north which has resulted in Brexit. | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster. Jim Callaghan the PM that shut more pits than Thatcher. The centre line in politics is still there, just because you don’t agree with something doesn’t make it right wing, & everything you agree with, doesn’t mean it’s not left wing. Tony Blair was a centralist just as the Tories are now, that’s what the Tories learnt from Blair, you need the central ground to control Westminster, partly because both parties lost the confidence of the Scottish voter to the SNP. Thatcher was to the right not far right, just as Corbyn was to the left not far left, (Micheal Foot being far more openly militant left than Corbyn) Thatcher certainly wouldn’t of been as generous as this shower have been over Covid, like you & a few others who lived in those times I remember the shit that went on well. Thatcher was a TORY if you like as Corbyn was LABOUR, most of today’s politicians are in it as a career politician driven by media opinion, & their greed for feeding in the trough, not all but most on all sides x Just my opinion mind xx
You may be right about callaghan but Thatcher actually gloried in what she did.
She called ordaibary working people "the Enemy within 'and showed no remorse in destroying 1000s of families.
That is why she is so reviled.
There is an argument that says when labour move to the centre, it pushes the tories even further to the right.
Corbyn tempered them and may actually hijacked some of the their suggestions (workers on the board for eg)and that free broadband isnt looking so insane now is it?
As for furlough..they literally didnt have a choice.The country would have tanked otherwise and they will get every penny back. Come on Lionel she did far worse than that she destroyed whole community’s & it’s still affecting those areas today in many ways.
SKS is very keen to persuade many that labour are back to the centre because that’s where the current lot are trying to hold on to. He’s not trying to show left of JC so your theory holds no water as it works both ways. & I’m dam sure Thatcher would of let good businesses go to the wall again before stepping in & doing something like she did when she first came to power. Don’t forget ‘it wasn’t the governments money, but yours the tax payers money’ as she use to say x
Thats what I said about her!
When labour moved to the centre..the Tories moved further right (remember ids)
They also neglected big chunks of the north which has resulted in Brexit."yes & it didn’t work for them so they learnt & went central, & all parties have neglected the rest of the UK not just us in the north. X | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster. Jim Callaghan the PM that shut more pits than Thatcher. The centre line in politics is still there, just because you don’t agree with something doesn’t make it right wing, & everything you agree with, doesn’t mean it’s not left wing. Tony Blair was a centralist just as the Tories are now, that’s what the Tories learnt from Blair, you need the central ground to control Westminster, partly because both parties lost the confidence of the Scottish voter to the SNP. Thatcher was to the right not far right, just as Corbyn was to the left not far left, (Micheal Foot being far more openly militant left than Corbyn) Thatcher certainly wouldn’t of been as generous as this shower have been over Covid, like you & a few others who lived in those times I remember the shit that went on well. Thatcher was a TORY if you like as Corbyn was LABOUR, most of today’s politicians are in it as a career politician driven by media opinion, & their greed for feeding in the trough, not all but most on all sides x Just my opinion mind xx
You may be right about callaghan but Thatcher actually gloried in what she did.
She called ordaibary working people "the Enemy within 'and showed no remorse in destroying 1000s of families.
That is why she is so reviled.
There is an argument that says when labour move to the centre, it pushes the tories even further to the right.
Corbyn tempered them and may actually hijacked some of the their suggestions (workers on the board for eg)and that free broadband isnt looking so insane now is it?
As for furlough..they literally didnt have a choice.The country would have tanked otherwise and they will get every penny back. Come on Lionel she did far worse than that she destroyed whole community’s & it’s still affecting those areas today in many ways.
SKS is very keen to persuade many that labour are back to the centre because that’s where the current lot are trying to hold on to. He’s not trying to show left of JC so your theory holds no water as it works both ways. & I’m dam sure Thatcher would of let good businesses go to the wall again before stepping in & doing something like she did when she first came to power. Don’t forget ‘it wasn’t the governments money, but yours the tax payers money’ as she use to say x
Thats what I said about her!
When labour moved to the centre..the Tories moved further right (remember ids)
They also neglected big chunks of the north which has resulted in Brexit. yes & it didn’t work for them so they learnt & went central, & all parties have neglected the rest of the UK not just us in the north. X"That's very true. We also had a candidate 'parachuted' another reason why I didn't vote for her. | |||
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"I suppose ultimately whilst this has been mainly a geographic issue I also think reading on here most governments aren’t really concerned with the vast majority of the population. North and South. I’m not saying they are all selfish bastards and would kill their own grandmother or anything. I’m sure many do care and start with the best intentions. It’s just the system we have centralises power to London and the elites running our political parties along with the government machine. The example of parachuting candidates into a seat is a prime example. If that candidate is elected their allegiance will be firstly the party not the constituents. Is that mild dictatorship well disguised? It’s certainly not healthy or good for having a Parliament of varied views. " I'm not sure if the parachuting in thing is something they both do,luciana Berger was another one who was highly unpopular. Starmer has been making noises about greater devolution which would seem.to make sense. I guess there are deeper issues that are often quite divided as a country aswell. Regionally quite different.The north is almost like a different country than the south. | |||
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"I suppose ultimately whilst this has been mainly a geographic issue I also think reading on here most governments aren’t really concerned with the vast majority of the population. North and South. I’m not saying they are all selfish bastards and would kill their own grandmother or anything. I’m sure many do care and start with the best intentions. It’s just the system we have centralises power to London and the elites running our political parties along with the government machine. The example of parachuting candidates into a seat is a prime example. If that candidate is elected their allegiance will be firstly the party not the constituents. Is that mild dictatorship well disguised? It’s certainly not healthy or good for having a Parliament of varied views. I'm not sure if the parachuting in thing is something they both do,luciana Berger was another one who was highly unpopular. Starmer has been making noises about greater devolution which would seem.to make sense. I guess there are deeper issues that are often quite divided as a country aswell. Regionally quite different.The north is almost like a different country than the south." In my home town three labour candidates parachuted in succession. First two elected on safe majority last one lost due to blue surge and yes you guessed it parachuted in. | |||
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"I suppose ultimately whilst this has been mainly a geographic issue I also think reading on here most governments aren’t really concerned with the vast majority of the population. North and South. I’m not saying they are all selfish bastards and would kill their own grandmother or anything. I’m sure many do care and start with the best intentions. It’s just the system we have centralises power to London and the elites running our political parties along with the government machine. The example of parachuting candidates into a seat is a prime example. If that candidate is elected their allegiance will be firstly the party not the constituents. Is that mild dictatorship well disguised? It’s certainly not healthy or good for having a Parliament of varied views. I'm not sure if the parachuting in thing is something they both do,luciana Berger was another one who was highly unpopular. Starmer has been making noises about greater devolution which would seem.to make sense. I guess there are deeper issues that are often quite divided as a country aswell. Regionally quite different.The north is almost like a different country than the south. In my home town three labour candidates parachuted in succession. First two elected on safe majority last one lost due to blue surge and yes you guessed it parachuted in. " An ideal time to contact your local labour party and tell them the reason maybe if enough people do they will take it on board and change their policy and use local candidates. | |||
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"I suppose ultimately whilst this has been mainly a geographic issue I also think reading on here most governments aren’t really concerned with the vast majority of the population. North and South. I’m not saying they are all selfish bastards and would kill their own grandmother or anything. I’m sure many do care and start with the best intentions. It’s just the system we have centralises power to London and the elites running our political parties along with the government machine. The example of parachuting candidates into a seat is a prime example. If that candidate is elected their allegiance will be firstly the party not the constituents. Is that mild dictatorship well disguised? It’s certainly not healthy or good for having a Parliament of varied views. I'm not sure if the parachuting in thing is something they both do,luciana Berger was another one who was highly unpopular. Starmer has been making noises about greater devolution which would seem.to make sense. I guess there are deeper issues that are often quite divided as a country aswell. Regionally quite different.The north is almost like a different country than the south. In my home town three labour candidates parachuted in succession. First two elected on safe majority last one lost due to blue surge and yes you guessed it parachuted in. " The tories must do it too | |||
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"I suppose ultimately whilst this has been mainly a geographic issue I also think reading on here most governments aren’t really concerned with the vast majority of the population. North and South. I’m not saying they are all selfish bastards and would kill their own grandmother or anything. I’m sure many do care and start with the best intentions. It’s just the system we have centralises power to London and the elites running our political parties along with the government machine. The example of parachuting candidates into a seat is a prime example. If that candidate is elected their allegiance will be firstly the party not the constituents. Is that mild dictatorship well disguised? It’s certainly not healthy or good for having a Parliament of varied views. I'm not sure if the parachuting in thing is something they both do,luciana Berger was another one who was highly unpopular. Starmer has been making noises about greater devolution which would seem.to make sense. I guess there are deeper issues that are often quite divided as a country aswell. Regionally quite different.The north is almost like a different country than the south." Unfortunately the South gets lumped in with London. It shouldn't be. We're not anything like London. As for parachuting candidates, all parties do it. | |||
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"I suppose ultimately whilst this has been mainly a geographic issue I also think reading on here most governments aren’t really concerned with the vast majority of the population. North and South. I’m not saying they are all selfish bastards and would kill their own grandmother or anything. I’m sure many do care and start with the best intentions. It’s just the system we have centralises power to London and the elites running our political parties along with the government machine. The example of parachuting candidates into a seat is a prime example. If that candidate is elected their allegiance will be firstly the party not the constituents. Is that mild dictatorship well disguised? It’s certainly not healthy or good for having a Parliament of varied views. I'm not sure if the parachuting in thing is something they both do,luciana Berger was another one who was highly unpopular. Starmer has been making noises about greater devolution which would seem.to make sense. I guess there are deeper issues that are often quite divided as a country aswell. Regionally quite different.The north is almost like a different country than the south. In my home town three labour candidates parachuted in succession. First two elected on safe majority last one lost due to blue surge and yes you guessed it parachuted in. The tories must do it too " I’m sure they do as do all the other parties x | |||
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"I suppose ultimately whilst this has been mainly a geographic issue I also think reading on here most governments aren’t really concerned with the vast majority of the population. North and South. I’m not saying they are all selfish bastards and would kill their own grandmother or anything. I’m sure many do care and start with the best intentions. It’s just the system we have centralises power to London and the elites running our political parties along with the government machine. The example of parachuting candidates into a seat is a prime example. If that candidate is elected their allegiance will be firstly the party not the constituents. Is that mild dictatorship well disguised? It’s certainly not healthy or good for having a Parliament of varied views. I'm not sure if the parachuting in thing is something they both do,luciana Berger was another one who was highly unpopular. Starmer has been making noises about greater devolution which would seem.to make sense. I guess there are deeper issues that are often quite divided as a country aswell. Regionally quite different.The north is almost like a different country than the south. Unfortunately the South gets lumped in with London. It shouldn't be. We're not anything like London. As for parachuting candidates, all parties do it." Thats why I said there are regional differences Even in the north there are big differences. I don't think it's as simple as saying there is London and everywhere else. | |||
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"I suppose ultimately whilst this has been mainly a geographic issue I also think reading on here most governments aren’t really concerned with the vast majority of the population. North and South. I’m not saying they are all selfish bastards and would kill their own grandmother or anything. I’m sure many do care and start with the best intentions. It’s just the system we have centralises power to London and the elites running our political parties along with the government machine. The example of parachuting candidates into a seat is a prime example. If that candidate is elected their allegiance will be firstly the party not the constituents. Is that mild dictatorship well disguised? It’s certainly not healthy or good for having a Parliament of varied views. I'm not sure if the parachuting in thing is something they both do,luciana Berger was another one who was highly unpopular. Starmer has been making noises about greater devolution which would seem.to make sense. I guess there are deeper issues that are often quite divided as a country aswell. Regionally quite different.The north is almost like a different country than the south. In my home town three labour candidates parachuted in succession. First two elected on safe majority last one lost due to blue surge and yes you guessed it parachuted in. The tories must do it too " Of course they do but he was talking about the labour candidates,why on the defensive all the time? | |||
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"I suppose ultimately whilst this has been mainly a geographic issue I also think reading on here most governments aren’t really concerned with the vast majority of the population. North and South. I’m not saying they are all selfish bastards and would kill their own grandmother or anything. I’m sure many do care and start with the best intentions. It’s just the system we have centralises power to London and the elites running our political parties along with the government machine. The example of parachuting candidates into a seat is a prime example. If that candidate is elected their allegiance will be firstly the party not the constituents. Is that mild dictatorship well disguised? It’s certainly not healthy or good for having a Parliament of varied views. I'm not sure if the parachuting in thing is something they both do,luciana Berger was another one who was highly unpopular. Starmer has been making noises about greater devolution which would seem.to make sense. I guess there are deeper issues that are often quite divided as a country aswell. Regionally quite different.The north is almost like a different country than the south. In my home town three labour candidates parachuted in succession. First two elected on safe majority last one lost due to blue surge and yes you guessed it parachuted in. The tories must do it too Of course they do but he was talking about the labour candidates,why on the defensive all the time?" You realise I was actually criticising labour for doing it? I was simply pointing out that all parties must do it to some extent. Just somehow seems more notable when done by labour. | |||
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"Theres been a shocking decline in the rest of the uk over the last 20 years, I was quite disturbed recently to find that most of the poorest areas in northern europe are now in the uk. More tory mismanagement. Labour were in for half of that
Anyway, now we are out of the EU and the Tories need to keep the Northerners onside things will improve
Well best hope that they don't, then you can see Labour in power eh?
Tony Blair had three terms in power and did sod all for the Northeast
That's because Blair's government was not a labour government. The last time there was a labour government was Callaghan in 1979. Blair's lot were a bunch of shysters and chancers who infiltrated and subverted the Labour party and converted it into something exactly as right wing as the tories had been. Subsequently it has been a race towards fascistic behaviour by all the parties. It is notable that the labour party under corbyn, apart from the leader and just a few of his cabinet, would have been perfectly at home in Thatcher's government. Starmer is probably more right wing than John Major was. Johnson's party are now nothing but a cabal of criminals embezzling as much tax payers money as they can, while loving the power to stamp on the faces of those foolish enough to have voted for them.
Donald Trump had a catchphrase about "draining the swamp". Westminster is our very own swamp, infected with a plague that is killing the now dis-united kingdom. IMHO the only way to start any kind of healing for the country would be get rid of all of them, demolish the building, and start again somewhere - anywhere - away from the cess-pit that is the Palace of Westminster.
Where do you start with that?
A ban on standing to be a MP until you are forty would be a start, clear the swamp of career & “In it for the money” MP’s
Immediate pay rise to £100k py followed by a clearing out of the sycophantic clowns that run the ministerial expenses dept. Immediate ban on the £250 “No receipt required rule.
Buy a nice London hotel, convert it for MP use only, anyone working in Westminster past 8pm or from more than 100 miles away stays there for free including food etc. The rest can fck off home & commute like everyone else.
Zero second home payments, no furnishings, no home expenses, pay for it out of your salary like every other fcker does!
With the House of Lords you click in & out, the £300 attendance money is then made proportionate to how long you spend there.
You have to start somewhere so if we all think they are a shower of shit & not fit for purpose then make sure we are paying them the right amount for the job.
How’s that for a start?
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An easier start would be to simply move Parliament to somewhere between Birmingham and Manchester "Stoke on Trent, sounds good possibly at Alton towers maybe? It will add further entertainment value, I think the tories shouldn’t ride oblivion though, they don’t need a ride for that it happens every day for them. | |||
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"Although I’ve never understood the desire of millions of people to live in London (I know there’s lots of great bits to see and do but most of the people who live there don’t even do that) the successive failure of all politicians to take obvious infrastructure steps in the North is baffling. Continuously parroting ‘Northern powerhouse” (Osbourne, June 2014) and appearing to do nothing about it, useless. Well quite. And now without the EU subsidies, the north will be left to rot by the government. Do you actually believe any of this stuff lol. I saw plenty of our taxpayers money spaffed up the wall by the EU on stuff like the Edinburgh tram , various cities of culture (rolls eyes) and Welsh forestry, never noticed anything going into Northern infrastructure. " Whats wrong with cities of culture? | |||
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"Although I’ve never understood the desire of millions of people to live in London (I know there’s lots of great bits to see and do but most of the people who live there don’t even do that) the successive failure of all politicians to take obvious infrastructure steps in the North is baffling. Continuously parroting ‘Northern powerhouse” (Osbourne, June 2014) and appearing to do nothing about it, useless. Well quite. And now without the EU subsidies, the north will be left to rot by the government." you say that like it wasn’t our own money mate lol | |||
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"Although I’ve never understood the desire of millions of people to live in London (I know there’s lots of great bits to see and do but most of the people who live there don’t even do that) the successive failure of all politicians to take obvious infrastructure steps in the North is baffling. Continuously parroting ‘Northern powerhouse” (Osbourne, June 2014) and appearing to do nothing about it, useless. Well quite. And now without the EU subsidies, the north will be left to rot by the government. Do you actually believe any of this stuff lol. I saw plenty of our taxpayers money spaffed up the wall by the EU on stuff like the Edinburgh tram , various cities of culture (rolls eyes) and Welsh forestry, never noticed anything going into Northern infrastructure. " You just said "Continuously parroting ‘Northern powerhouse” (Osbourne, June 2014) and appearing to do nothing about it, useless." I agree. What makes you think the government will suddenly change now, what makes you think they will replace the EU investment? If they didn't do it before brexit, they're sure as fuck not going to do it after when there is less cash in the coffers. | |||
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"Although I’ve never understood the desire of millions of people to live in London (I know there’s lots of great bits to see and do but most of the people who live there don’t even do that) the successive failure of all politicians to take obvious infrastructure steps in the North is baffling. Continuously parroting ‘Northern powerhouse” (Osbourne, June 2014) and appearing to do nothing about it, useless. Well quite. And now without the EU subsidies, the north will be left to rot by the government.you say that like it wasn’t our own money mate lol" We paid into the EU which was worth many times to the UK economy what we paid in. The British government did fuck all for the north. The EU invested some money. Don't be annoyed at the messenger. | |||
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"Although I’ve never understood the desire of millions of people to live in London (I know there’s lots of great bits to see and do but most of the people who live there don’t even do that) the successive failure of all politicians to take obvious infrastructure steps in the North is baffling. Continuously parroting ‘Northern powerhouse” (Osbourne, June 2014) and appearing to do nothing about it, useless. Well quite. And now without the EU subsidies, the north will be left to rot by the government.you say that like it wasn’t our own money mate lol How much money have the tories invested in the north in the last 13 months?" Blimey lionel where you been ? there's been a pandemic on for the last 10 months i think they have had their hands a bit full. | |||
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"Although I’ve never understood the desire of millions of people to live in London (I know there’s lots of great bits to see and do but most of the people who live there don’t even do that) the successive failure of all politicians to take obvious infrastructure steps in the North is baffling. Continuously parroting ‘Northern powerhouse” (Osbourne, June 2014) and appearing to do nothing about it, useless. Well quite. And now without the EU subsidies, the north will be left to rot by the government.you say that like it wasn’t our own money mate lol How much money have the tories invested in the north in the last 13 months?Blimey lionel where you been ? there's been a pandemic on for the last 10 months i think they have had their hands a bit full. "Right.. was there a pandemic on between 79 and 97 aswell? | |||
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"Although I’ve never understood the desire of millions of people to live in London (I know there’s lots of great bits to see and do but most of the people who live there don’t even do that) the successive failure of all politicians to take obvious infrastructure steps in the North is baffling. Continuously parroting ‘Northern powerhouse” (Osbourne, June 2014) and appearing to do nothing about it, useless. Well quite. And now without the EU subsidies, the north will be left to rot by the government.you say that like it wasn’t our own money mate lol How much money have the tories invested in the north in the last 13 months?Blimey lionel where you been ? there's been a pandemic on for the last 10 months i think they have had their hands a bit full.
Right.. was there a pandemic on between 79 and 97 aswell?"you ask about the last 13 months did boris talk about a leveling up in 79 and 97? oh no he couldnt have he wasnt pm. | |||
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"In the last 20 years liverpool alone recieved 2 billion from the eu. Yes that was our money. The brexiteers will shout. If anyone thinks boris Johnson's gmnt will give any northern city anything close to that amount in the next decade they are completely deluded" Why do you know this for a fact? what i love about you mate is your hatred is so ingrained in you that you think everything you think is going to happen without any reasoning whatsoever. | |||
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"Although I’ve never understood the desire of millions of people to live in London (I know there’s lots of great bits to see and do but most of the people who live there don’t even do that) the successive failure of all politicians to take obvious infrastructure steps in the North is baffling. Continuously parroting ‘Northern powerhouse” (Osbourne, June 2014) and appearing to do nothing about it, useless. Well quite. And now without the EU subsidies, the north will be left to rot by the government.you say that like it wasn’t our own money mate lol How much money have the tories invested in the north in the last 13 months?Blimey lionel where you been ? there's been a pandemic on for the last 10 months i think they have had their hands a bit full.
Right.. was there a pandemic on between 79 and 97 aswell?you ask about the last 13 months did boris talk about a leveling up in 79 and 97? oh no he couldnt have he wasnt pm. "You had a ready made excuse unsurprisingly The tories were in power for 18 years and utterly decimated the north. So excuse me for taking their levelling up promises with a pinch of salt https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/2c22f6b7-a73a-411b-8b27-2b21db4006bc | |||
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"Although I’ve never understood the desire of millions of people to live in London (I know there’s lots of great bits to see and do but most of the people who live there don’t even do that) the successive failure of all politicians to take obvious infrastructure steps in the North is baffling. Continuously parroting ‘Northern powerhouse” (Osbourne, June 2014) and appearing to do nothing about it, useless. Well quite. And now without the EU subsidies, the north will be left to rot by the government. Au contraire, now the government have no one else to blame and will be voted out if people feel they are being left out or ignored (and for the millionth time EU subsidies are just recycled bits of UK money) with a nice percentage taken off first to keep the bureaucrats in the life they have come to expect. "A bit like when tory donors are paid £30 a head to feed hungry kids but keep most of the money for themselves? | |||
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"In the last 20 years liverpool alone recieved 2 billion from the eu. Yes that was our money. The brexiteers will shout. If anyone thinks boris Johnson's gmnt will give any northern city anything close to that amount in the next decade they are completely deludedWhy do you know this for a fact? what i love about you mate is your hatred is so ingrained in you that you think everything you think is going to happen without any reasoning whatsoever." Perhaps do some reading up? Try googling managed decline and liverpool 18 years of destruction and no reasoning Right. | |||
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"In the last 20 years liverpool alone recieved 2 billion from the eu. Yes that was our money. The brexiteers will shout. If anyone thinks boris Johnson's gmnt will give any northern city anything close to that amount in the next decade they are completely deluded" That’s not remotely an argument for Brussels. Now you get to democratically elect whoever you think will invest in what you want investment in. Without bunging 9 billion quid in the sea every year. | |||
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"Although I’ve never understood the desire of millions of people to live in London (I know there’s lots of great bits to see and do but most of the people who live there don’t even do that) the successive failure of all politicians to take obvious infrastructure steps in the North is baffling. Continuously parroting ‘Northern powerhouse” (Osbourne, June 2014) and appearing to do nothing about it, useless. Well quite. And now without the EU subsidies, the north will be left to rot by the government.you say that like it wasn’t our own money mate lol How much money have the tories invested in the north in the last 13 months?Blimey lionel where you been ? there's been a pandemic on for the last 10 months i think they have had their hands a bit full.
Right.. was there a pandemic on between 79 and 97 aswell?you ask about the last 13 months did boris talk about a leveling up in 79 and 97? oh no he couldnt have he wasnt pm.
You had a ready made excuse unsurprisingly
The tories were in power for 18 years and utterly decimated the north.
So excuse me for taking their levelling up promises with a pinch of salt
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/2c22f6b7-a73a-411b-8b27-2b21db4006bc"Answer me this,is this a new government? have you any proof that they wont try and level up? any proof at all.Is it at all possible that this government may have different agendas from the one in the 80,s? Talk to me at the end of the term and then we both will know the achievements or non achievements until then you are just spouting your usual anti tory bile. | |||
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"In the last 20 years liverpool alone recieved 2 billion from the eu. Yes that was our money. The brexiteers will shout. If anyone thinks boris Johnson's gmnt will give any northern city anything close to that amount in the next decade they are completely deluded" you said it put money so the eu didn’t really give us amything Lionel | |||
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"In the last 20 years liverpool alone recieved 2 billion from the eu. Yes that was our money. The brexiteers will shout. If anyone thinks boris Johnson's gmnt will give any northern city anything close to that amount in the next decade they are completely deluded That’s not remotely an argument for Brussels. Now you get to democratically elect whoever you think will invest in what you want investment in. Without bunging 9 billion quid in the sea every year." What that The eu will invest more money here ,than the central gmnt? I think you will find that it is. | |||
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"Although I’ve never understood the desire of millions of people to live in London (I know there’s lots of great bits to see and do but most of the people who live there don’t even do that) the successive failure of all politicians to take obvious infrastructure steps in the North is baffling. Continuously parroting ‘Northern powerhouse” (Osbourne, June 2014) and appearing to do nothing about it, useless. Well quite. And now without the EU subsidies, the north will be left to rot by the government.you say that like it wasn’t our own money mate lol How much money have the tories invested in the north in the last 13 months?Blimey lionel where you been ? there's been a pandemic on for the last 10 months i think they have had their hands a bit full.
Right.. was there a pandemic on between 79 and 97 aswell?you ask about the last 13 months did boris talk about a leveling up in 79 and 97? oh no he couldnt have he wasnt pm.
You had a ready made excuse unsurprisingly
The tories were in power for 18 years and utterly decimated the north.
So excuse me for taking their levelling up promises with a pinch of salt
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/2c22f6b7-a73a-411b-8b27-2b21db4006bcAnswer me this,is this a new government? have you any proof that they wont try and level up? any proof at all.Is it at all possible that this government may have different agendas from the one in the 80,s?
Talk to me at the end of the term and then we both will know the achievements or non achievements until then you are just spouting your usual anti tory bile."You realise the gmnt have been in.power for a decade? What's your excuse pre covid? | |||
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"Although I’ve never understood the desire of millions of people to live in London (I know there’s lots of great bits to see and do but most of the people who live there don’t even do that) the successive failure of all politicians to take obvious infrastructure steps in the North is baffling. Continuously parroting ‘Northern powerhouse” (Osbourne, June 2014) and appearing to do nothing about it, useless. Well quite. And now without the EU subsidies, the north will be left to rot by the government.you say that like it wasn’t our own money mate lol How much money have the tories invested in the north in the last 13 months?Blimey lionel where you been ? there's been a pandemic on for the last 10 months i think they have had their hands a bit full.
Right.. was there a pandemic on between 79 and 97 aswell?you ask about the last 13 months did boris talk about a leveling up in 79 and 97? oh no he couldnt have he wasnt pm.
You had a ready made excuse unsurprisingly
The tories were in power for 18 years and utterly decimated the north.
So excuse me for taking their levelling up promises with a pinch of salt
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/2c22f6b7-a73a-411b-8b27-2b21db4006bcAnswer me this,is this a new government? have you any proof that they wont try and level up? any proof at all.Is it at all possible that this government may have different agendas from the one in the 80,s?
Talk to me at the end of the term and then we both will know the achievements or non achievements until then you are just spouting your usual anti tory bile.
You realise the gmnt have been in.power for a decade?
What's your excuse pre covid?"Do different leaders have different priorities ? | |||
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"Although I’ve never understood the desire of millions of people to live in London (I know there’s lots of great bits to see and do but most of the people who live there don’t even do that) the successive failure of all politicians to take obvious infrastructure steps in the North is baffling. Continuously parroting ‘Northern powerhouse” (Osbourne, June 2014) and appearing to do nothing about it, useless. Well quite. And now without the EU subsidies, the north will be left to rot by the government.you say that like it wasn’t our own money mate lol How much money have the tories invested in the north in the last 13 months?Blimey lionel where you been ? there's been a pandemic on for the last 10 months i think they have had their hands a bit full.
Right.. was there a pandemic on between 79 and 97 aswell?you ask about the last 13 months did boris talk about a leveling up in 79 and 97? oh no he couldnt have he wasnt pm.
You had a ready made excuse unsurprisingly
The tories were in power for 18 years and utterly decimated the north.
So excuse me for taking their levelling up promises with a pinch of salt
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/2c22f6b7-a73a-411b-8b27-2b21db4006bcAnswer me this,is this a new government? have you any proof that they wont try and level up? any proof at all.Is it at all possible that this government may have different agendas from the one in the 80,s?
Talk to me at the end of the term and then we both will know the achievements or non achievements until then you are just spouting your usual anti tory bile.
You realise the gmnt have been in.power for a decade?
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"Although I’ve never understood the desire of millions of people to live in London (I know there’s lots of great bits to see and do but most of the people who live there don’t even do that) the successive failure of all politicians to take obvious infrastructure steps in the North is baffling. Continuously parroting ‘Northern powerhouse” (Osbourne, June 2014) and appearing to do nothing about it, useless. Well quite. And now without the EU subsidies, the north will be left to rot by the government.you say that like it wasn’t our own money mate lol How much money have the tories invested in the north in the last 13 months?Blimey lionel where you been ? there's been a pandemic on for the last 10 months i think they have had their hands a bit full.
Right.. was there a pandemic on between 79 and 97 aswell?you ask about the last 13 months did boris talk about a leveling up in 79 and 97? oh no he couldnt have he wasnt pm.
You had a ready made excuse unsurprisingly
The tories were in power for 18 years and utterly decimated the north.
So excuse me for taking their levelling up promises with a pinch of salt
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/2c22f6b7-a73a-411b-8b27-2b21db4006bcAnswer me this,is this a new government? have you any proof that they wont try and level up? any proof at all.Is it at all possible that this government may have different agendas from the one in the 80,s?
Talk to me at the end of the term and then we both will know the achievements or non achievements until then you are just spouting your usual anti tory bile.
You realise the gmnt have been in.power for a decade?
What's your excuse pre covid?Do different leaders have different priorities ?
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"In the last 20 years liverpool alone recieved 2 billion from the eu. Yes that was our money. The brexiteers will shout. If anyone thinks boris Johnson's gmnt will give any northern city anything close to that amount in the next decade they are completely deludedyou said it put money so the eu didn’t really give us amything Lionel " https://what-europe-does-for-me.eu/en/portal/1/UKC2 This is some info about the EU investment in the north east. | |||
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"Although I’ve never understood the desire of millions of people to live in London (I know there’s lots of great bits to see and do but most of the people who live there don’t even do that) the successive failure of all politicians to take obvious infrastructure steps in the North is baffling. Continuously parroting ‘Northern powerhouse” (Osbourne, June 2014) and appearing to do nothing about it, useless. Well quite. And now without the EU subsidies, the north will be left to rot by the government.you say that like it wasn’t our own money mate lol How much money have the tories invested in the north in the last 13 months?Blimey lionel where you been ? there's been a pandemic on for the last 10 months i think they have had their hands a bit full.
Right.. was there a pandemic on between 79 and 97 aswell?you ask about the last 13 months did boris talk about a leveling up in 79 and 97? oh no he couldnt have he wasnt pm.
You had a ready made excuse unsurprisingly
The tories were in power for 18 years and utterly decimated the north.
So excuse me for taking their levelling up promises with a pinch of salt
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/2c22f6b7-a73a-411b-8b27-2b21db4006bcAnswer me this,is this a new government? have you any proof that they wont try and level up? any proof at all.Is it at all possible that this government may have different agendas from the one in the 80,s?
Talk to me at the end of the term and then we both will know the achievements or non achievements until then you are just spouting your usual anti tory bile.
You realise the gmnt have been in.power for a decade?
What's your excuse pre covid?Do different leaders have different priorities ?
Who has been in power the last 10 years?Answer the question"Yes I'll concede that Under the leadership of David Cameron and Teresa may The north suffered under austerity. But under the visionary bj,Michael gove and jrm the north will be totally revitalised and billions will be invested. I'm sure there ft story was a one off. | |||
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