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"Less that two weeks in and the government had approved the use of a pesticide that is banned in the EU because of its harmful effects on bees. https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4025599/environmentally-regressive-uk-government-approves-bee-harming-pesticide-banned-eu Bad news, and sets a president going forward." If you knew anything about this you would know the french allowed it to be used last year, it's a one year permission due to the enormous damage done to the sugar beet crop this season, trials will be done to see any affects. If you actually know bee keepers most will say they sooner the neo nics used on OSR were allowed to control flea beetle rather than farmers having to use several sprays to control them, the FB is pretty immune to the spray which is broad spectrum which the seed treatment isnt. | |||
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"Less that two weeks in and the government had approved the use of a pesticide that is banned in the EU because of its harmful effects on bees. https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4025599/environmentally-regressive-uk-government-approves-bee-harming-pesticide-banned-eu Bad news, and sets a president going forward." Once a country starts on this deadly pesticide it's hard to go back, it's the easy way out. Disgusting. | |||
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"Less that two weeks in and the government had approved the use of a pesticide that is banned in the EU because of its harmful effects on bees. https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4025599/environmentally-regressive-uk-government-approves-bee-harming-pesticide-banned-eu Bad news, and sets a president going forward. Once a country starts on this deadly pesticide it's hard to go back, it's the easy way out. Disgusting." I agree, if it sets a president we could end up with Trump! Did you actually read the document? Or just the story put out by the greens? As the previous poster said, limited time only and on one particular crop. Another story that is old. | |||
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"Less that two weeks in and the government had approved the use of a pesticide that is banned in the EU because of its harmful effects on bees. https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4025599/environmentally-regressive-uk-government-approves-bee-harming-pesticide-banned-eu Bad news, and sets a president going forward. Once a country starts on this deadly pesticide it's hard to go back, it's the easy way out. Disgusting. I agree, if it sets a president we could end up with Trump! Did you actually read the document? Or just the story put out by the greens? As the previous poster said, limited time only and on one particular crop. Another story that is old." Problem is some naive people believe this just like they believe all the brexit bullshit they were fed. | |||
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"Less that two weeks in and the government had approved the use of a pesticide that is banned in the EU because of its harmful effects on bees. https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4025599/environmentally-regressive-uk-government-approves-bee-harming-pesticide-banned-eu Bad news, and sets a president going forward. Once a country starts on this deadly pesticide it's hard to go back, it's the easy way out. Disgusting. I agree, if it sets a president we could end up with Trump! Did you actually read the document? Or just the story put out by the greens? As the previous poster said, limited time only and on one particular crop. Another story that is old. Problem is some naive people believe this just like they believe all the brexit bullshit they were fed." I quite agree that naive people believe what they read. | |||
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"Less that two weeks in and the government had approved the use of a pesticide that is banned in the EU because of its harmful effects on bees. https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4025599/environmentally-regressive-uk-government-approves-bee-harming-pesticide-banned-eu Bad news, and sets a president going forward. Once a country starts on this deadly pesticide it's hard to go back, it's the easy way out. Disgusting. I agree, if it sets a president we could end up with Trump! Did you actually read the document? Or just the story put out by the greens? As the previous poster said, limited time only and on one particular crop. Another story that is old. Problem is some naive people believe this just like they believe all the brexit bullshit they were fed." Well you believed it twenty minutes ago but glad to see you've changed your mind well done  | |||
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"This is a tricky one i think, and possibly a bad example. For the record i am a rejoiner, and really, really pissed off at the thought of the UK having no moderating influence on its tendency to fuck up the environment. This approval is very limited to sugar beet, which don't flower. So the argument was that pollinators would not be harmed. Thats bullshit, but for readons too complex for here. (Google Dave Goulson Bees Neonids if you want accredited science on it) The reason its a bad example is that we already had the power to grant a limited use of these neonids under eu law, and many other eu states have done so. The difference now is that there is no one overseeing our use of such exemptions. Some will see this as taking back control, persinally i trust zee germans and scandis a lot more than us on EP issues. " Would that be the green germany that burns 44% of the coal used in the EU and has recently proudly announced they will phase it out in 2038, that's so much greener than the UK that announced it would stop by 2025 but in fact had virtually already done so and burnt none at all through the summer and autumn. It's so good to see people are so anti uk, and anti fact | |||
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"Less that two weeks in and the government had approved the use of a pesticide that is banned in the EU because of its harmful effects on bees. https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4025599/environmentally-regressive-uk-government-approves-bee-harming-pesticide-banned-eu Bad news, and sets a president going forward." Typical half the story it is used in EU typical remoaner lie all you do now is lie and tell fake news | |||
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"Less that two weeks in and the government had approved the use of a pesticide that is banned in the EU because of its harmful effects on bees. https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4025599/environmentally-regressive-uk-government-approves-bee-harming-pesticide-banned-eu Bad news, and sets a president going forward." You're obsessed with the EU, get over it we have left. Why keep going on about the EU? | |||
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"Ah, such mental leaps. And immediate resort to insults. Things i didnt say; *We burn more coal than Germany *Germany is a 'greener' country than the UK *I dont like the Uk *Germany has set different co2 targets *personal insults Things I did say (expanded for clarity) *I trust German and Scandinavian politicians on Environmental Protection issues more than UK politicians. If you had wanted to issue an intelligent challenge, you could have asked 'what evidence do you have for not trusting the UK politicians?' But I suspect a rational debate wasn't your aim. So I will leave it there" What insult ? You said you trusted Germany's politicians on environmental issues, burning coal in the amount they do and not banning it for many years is far more damaging than using neo nics on a very small average, even that will only be allowed when an assessment on the threshold risk has been made for this season. | |||
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"Less that two weeks in and the government had approved the use of a pesticide that is banned in the EU because of its harmful effects on bees. https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4025599/environmentally-regressive-uk-government-approves-bee-harming-pesticide-banned-eu Bad news, and sets a president going forward. You're obsessed with the EU, get over it we have left. Why keep going on about the EU?" ? This is about post Brexit Britain. We're out of the EU now. | |||
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"Ah, such mental leaps. And immediate resort to insults. Things i didnt say; *We burn more coal than Germany *Germany is a 'greener' country than the UK *I dont like the Uk *Germany has set different co2 targets *personal insults Things I did say (expanded for clarity) *I trust German and Scandinavian politicians on Environmental Protection issues more than UK politicians. If you had wanted to issue an intelligent challenge, you could have asked 'what evidence do you have for not trusting the UK politicians?' But I suspect a rational debate wasn't your aim. So I will leave it there" | |||
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"Less that two weeks in and the government had approved the use of a pesticide that is banned in the EU because of its harmful effects on bees. https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4025599/environmentally-regressive-uk-government-approves-bee-harming-pesticide-banned-eu Bad news, and sets a president going forward. You're obsessed with the EU, get over it we have left. Why keep going on about the EU? ? This is about post Brexit Britain. We're out of the EU now." You are comparing the UK to the EU. Are you going to compare the UK with the EU on everything that suits your agenda? How about congratulating the UK on the stopping the use of coal before Germany? | |||
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"can we talk about brexit again as its an anti uk thread? "again I don’t believe it U.K. ppl anti uk well I never lol | |||
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"Less that two weeks in and the government had approved the use of a pesticide that is banned in the EU because of its harmful effects on bees. https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4025599/environmentally-regressive-uk-government-approves-bee-harming-pesticide-banned-eu Bad news, and sets a president going forward. You're obsessed with the EU, get over it we have left. Why keep going on about the EU? ? This is about post Brexit Britain. We're out of the EU now. You are comparing the UK to the EU. Are you going to compare the UK with the EU on everything that suits your agenda? How about congratulating the UK on the stopping the use of coal before Germany?" I think you're confused. This thread is about the UK using pesticides. | |||
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"Less that two weeks in and the government had approved the use of a pesticide that is banned in the EU because of its harmful effects on bees. https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4025599/environmentally-regressive-uk-government-approves-bee-harming-pesticide-banned-eu Bad news, and sets a president going forward. You're obsessed with the EU, get over it we have left. Why keep going on about the EU? ? This is about post Brexit Britain. We're out of the EU now. You are comparing the UK to the EU. Are you going to compare the UK with the EU on everything that suits your agenda? How about congratulating the UK on the stopping the use of coal before Germany? I think you're confused. This thread is about the UK using pesticides." Which turned out to be a non story. I do enjoy the brexit threads the remainers post but surely we can have a story that's a bit more substantial? | |||
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"This is a tricky one i think, and possibly a bad example. For the record i am a rejoiner, and really, really pissed off at the thought of the UK having no moderating influence on its tendency to fuck up the environment. This approval is very limited to sugar beet, which don't flower. So the argument was that pollinators would not be harmed. Thats bullshit, but for readons too complex for here. (Google Dave Goulson Bees Neonids if you want accredited science on it) The reason its a bad example is that we already had the power to grant a limited use of these neonids under eu law, and many other eu states have done so. The difference now is that there is no one overseeing our use of such exemptions. Some will see this as taking back control, persinally i trust zee germans and scandis a lot more than us on EP issues. " Interesting. | |||
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"Less that two weeks in and the government had approved the use of a pesticide that is banned in the EU because of its harmful effects on bees. https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4025599/environmentally-regressive-uk-government-approves-bee-harming-pesticide-banned-eu Bad news, and sets a president going forward. You're obsessed with the EU, get over it we have left. Why keep going on about the EU? ? This is about post Brexit Britain. We're out of the EU now. You are comparing the UK to the EU. Are you going to compare the UK with the EU on everything that suits your agenda? How about congratulating the UK on the stopping the use of coal before Germany? I think you're confused. This thread is about the UK using pesticides." Actually your thread was about one particular pesticide which has been proven to be a non story. On your next anti UK thread try not using the EU as a comparison, we are not longer in it. | |||
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"Less that two weeks in and the government had approved the use of a pesticide that is banned in the EU because of its harmful effects on bees. https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4025599/environmentally-regressive-uk-government-approves-bee-harming-pesticide-banned-eu Bad news, and sets a president going forward. You're obsessed with the EU, get over it we have left. Why keep going on about the EU? ? This is about post Brexit Britain. We're out of the EU now. You are comparing the UK to the EU. Are you going to compare the UK with the EU on everything that suits your agenda? How about congratulating the UK on the stopping the use of coal before Germany? I think you're confused. This thread is about the UK using pesticides. Actually your thread was about one particular pesticide which has been proven to be a non story. On your next anti UK thread try not using the EU as a comparison, we are not longer in it." The story has been shown to be more nuanced, but not a non-story. What's this anti UK stuff you're talking about, are you suggesting that anyone who talks about pesticides is anti UK? Seems like kind of bizarre stance. Do you want to explain what you mean? I am not seeing any comparisons being made with the EU, if you want me to answer this, you'll have to be more specific. | |||
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"Less that two weeks in and the government had approved the use of a pesticide that is banned in the EU because of its harmful effects on bees. https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4025599/environmentally-regressive-uk-government-approves-bee-harming-pesticide-banned-eu Bad news, and sets a president going forward. You're obsessed with the EU, get over it we have left. Why keep going on about the EU? ? This is about post Brexit Britain. We're out of the EU now. You are comparing the UK to the EU. Are you going to compare the UK with the EU on everything that suits your agenda? How about congratulating the UK on the stopping the use of coal before Germany? I think you're confused. This thread is about the UK using pesticides. Actually your thread was about one particular pesticide which has been proven to be a non story. On your next anti UK thread try not using the EU as a comparison, we are not longer in it. The story has been shown to be more nuanced, but not a non-story. What's this anti UK stuff you're talking about, are you suggesting that anyone who talks about pesticides is anti UK? Seems like kind of bizarre stance. Do you want to explain what you mean? I am not seeing any comparisons being made with the EU, if you want me to answer this, you'll have to be more specific. " 'Less that two weeks in and the government had approved the use of a pesticide that is banned in the EU because of its harmful effects on bees.' Your original text. You use the EU although the UK is not in it. Get over it and move on. | |||
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"Less that two weeks in and the government had approved the use of a pesticide that is banned in the EU because of its harmful effects on bees. https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4025599/environmentally-regressive-uk-government-approves-bee-harming-pesticide-banned-eu Bad news, and sets a president going forward. You're obsessed with the EU, get over it we have left. Why keep going on about the EU? ? This is about post Brexit Britain. We're out of the EU now. You are comparing the UK to the EU. Are you going to compare the UK with the EU on everything that suits your agenda? How about congratulating the UK on the stopping the use of coal before Germany? I think you're confused. This thread is about the UK using pesticides. Actually your thread was about one particular pesticide which has been proven to be a non story. On your next anti UK thread try not using the EU as a comparison, we are not longer in it. The story has been shown to be more nuanced, but not a non-story. What's this anti UK stuff you're talking about, are you suggesting that anyone who talks about pesticides is anti UK? Seems like kind of bizarre stance. Do you want to explain what you mean? I am not seeing any comparisons being made with the EU, if you want me to answer this, you'll have to be more specific. 'Less that two weeks in and the government had approved the use of a pesticide that is banned in the EU because of its harmful effects on bees.' Your original text. You use the EU although the UK is not in it. Get over it and move on." Oh I see your confusion. We're comparing the UK out of the EU, to the UK when we were in the EU. That's that sorted. Excellent. What do I need to get over? | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/14/revealed-business-secretary-kwasi-kwarteng-accepted-donations-fossil-fuel-investors" No agenda? | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/14/revealed-business-secretary-kwasi-kwarteng-accepted-donations-fossil-fuel-investors No agenda?" I think the article is suggesting he had an agenda, as he's sponsored by the fossil fuels industry. | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/14/revealed-business-secretary-kwasi-kwarteng-accepted-donations-fossil-fuel-investors No agenda? I think the article is suggesting he had an agenda, as he's sponsored by the fossil fuels industry." Basically if something happens you dont agree with you just point out the agenda. It's exactly the same as trump with his fake news. It's the post truth era Enjoy. | |||
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"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/14/revealed-business-secretary-kwasi-kwarteng-accepted-donations-fossil-fuel-investors No agenda? I think the article is suggesting he had an agenda, as he's sponsored by the fossil fuels industry. Basically if something happens you dont agree with you just point out the agenda. It's exactly the same as trump with his fake news. It's the post truth era Enjoy. " I know I'm getting old and I forget which thread I have already posted this on, but... All media has an agenda, whether pro Brexit/remain, pro/anti government, pro/anti green etc etc. I read many different opinions from various sources, using that and life experiences I make up my own mind, not believing just what is written or read on the internet. I agree and disagree with many things, I may be opinionated, but it doesn't come by reading one article and posting it on a forum. | |||
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"Oh dear...... Another brexiteer/bremoaner thread degenerates into personal arguments. Next!" Perhaps if people actually addressed the contents of the link, as opposed to pouring scorn on anything That doesnt sit with them,this wouldn't happen? | |||
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"Oh dear...... Another brexiteer/bremoaner thread degenerates into personal arguments. Next! Perhaps if people actually addressed the contents of the link, as opposed to pouring scorn on anything That doesnt sit with them,this wouldn't happen?" The content was addressed, but unfortunately not to your liking so you resorted to type. | |||
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"Content was addressed Your exact words No agenda? " The pesticide in question has been discussed. | |||
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"Content was addressed Your exact words No agenda? The pesticide in question has been discussed." My link was about a gmnt minister accepting donations from a fossil fuels company despite commitments from the gmnt to reducing greenhouse emissions. Perhaps try reading them. | |||
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"Content was addressed Your exact words No agenda? The pesticide in question has been discussed. My link was about a gmnt minister accepting donations from a fossil fuels company despite commitments from the gmnt to reducing greenhouse emissions. Perhaps try reading them." Perhaps you shouldn't have hijacked a thread about pesticides and started talking about something completely different? | |||
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"Content was addressed Your exact words No agenda? The pesticide in question has been discussed. My link was about a gmnt minister accepting donations from a fossil fuels company despite commitments from the gmnt to reducing greenhouse emissions. Perhaps try reading them. Perhaps you shouldn't have hijacked a thread about pesticides and started talking about something completely different?" Hijacked
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"Content was addressed Your exact words No agenda? The pesticide in question has been discussed. My link was about a gmnt minister accepting donations from a fossil fuels company despite commitments from the gmnt to reducing greenhouse emissions. Perhaps try reading them. Perhaps you shouldn't have hijacked a thread about pesticides and started talking about something completely different? Hijacked
I could have sworn it was about environmental concerns and no one made you respond."But the environment wasn't your concern. You made that quite clear. Open forum? | |||
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"Content was addressed Your exact words No agenda? The pesticide in question has been discussed. My link was about a gmnt minister accepting donations from a fossil fuels company despite commitments from the gmnt to reducing greenhouse emissions. Perhaps try reading them. Perhaps you shouldn't have hijacked a thread about pesticides and started talking about something completely different? Hijacked
I could have sworn it was about environmental concerns and no one made you respond.
But the environment wasn't your concern. You made that quite clear.
Open forum? "No idea what you are on about Probs best to leave it there. | |||
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"Content was addressed Your exact words No agenda? The pesticide in question has been discussed. My link was about a gmnt minister accepting donations from a fossil fuels company despite commitments from the gmnt to reducing greenhouse emissions. Perhaps try reading them. Perhaps you shouldn't have hijacked a thread about pesticides and started talking about something completely different? Hijacked
I could have sworn it was about environmental concerns and no one made you respond.
But the environment wasn't your concern. You made that quite clear.
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Probs best to leave it there."Sorry for making your brain ache. Self explanatory, I thought. | |||
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"Less that two weeks in and the government had approved the use of a pesticide that is banned in the EU because of its harmful effects on bees. https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4025599/environmentally-regressive-uk-government-approves-bee-harming-pesticide-banned-eu Bad news, and sets a president going forward." I think it was also done in other EU countries due to some mutant virus or something, who knows | |||
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"Less that two weeks in and the government had approved the use of a pesticide that is banned in the EU because of its harmful effects on bees. https://www.businessgreen.com/news/4025599/environmentally-regressive-uk-government-approves-bee-harming-pesticide-banned-eu Bad news, and sets a president going forward." You obviously only read headlines. This pesticide is being used on sugar beet as farmers are looking at 80% loses of crops.The pesticide is coated on the seeds while being planted and as sugar beet does not produce a flower anyway it has no effect on bees. This is another classic example of eu directives using the one size fits all, where under certain circumstances they dont. | |||
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"... and building the largest gas-fired power station in europe of course" It seems the courts dont think it goes against the uk,s commitment to reducing emissions so whats the problem? | |||
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"... and building the largest gas-fired power station in europe of course" If we want to speak about pollution, here is a list of power plants across Europe. https://www.airclim.org/acidnews/europe’s-most-polluting-power-plants | |||
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"... and building the largest gas-fired power station in europe of course" Remind me again when Germany are going to stop burning coal and ignite? Oh yes 2038 | |||
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