FabSwingers.com forum: ANTIFA the meaning

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Ok let’s get this Straight it’s short for Anti Facist, so presumably those who talk about being against Antifa are Pro fascist?

You might as well class everyone who fought against the Nazis in WW2 as ANTIFA

I suspect many of the people here are also ANTIFA, because they believe in democracy and freedom against tyranny and also protecting the weak and vulnerable.

So to those who believe ANTIFA is some left thing it really isn’t, it’s more a morally decent do the right thing movement.

Time to claim the word back from the fascist terrorists who use it as slur.

Just saying....

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would imagine that 99% of them don't even know what a fascist is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actions speak louder than words. They can claim to be anti fascist, and they can say anyone against them is a fascist because ‘it’s in our name’. It doesn’t mean a thing when they repeatedly engage in violence to intimidate, abuse and silence their opponents - the tools of actual fascists.

They chose their name very carefully precisely so people would make the same equivalence you have.

But you interpret it how you like, I’ll do the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There have been long running misinformation campaigns about anti fascists on like for years.

Very successful too.

Here is one example.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"Actions speak louder than words. They can claim to be anti fascist, and they can say anyone against them is a fascist because ‘it’s in our name’. It doesn’t mean a thing when they repeatedly engage in violence to intimidate, abuse and silence their opponents - the tools of actual fascists.

They chose their name very carefully precisely so people would make the same equivalence you have.

But you interpret it how you like, I’ll do the same. "

Couldn't have said it better myself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There have been long running misinformation campaigns about anti fascists on like for years.

Very successful too.

Here is one example.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631"

Smear campaigns don’t really change the fact that they’re violent tho.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There have been long running misinformation campaigns about anti fascists on like for years.

Very successful too.

Here is one example.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631

Smear campaigns don’t really change the fact that they’re violent tho. "

Anti fascists aren't one single homogeneous group. "They" aren't violent. Some individuals have been violent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There have been long running misinformation campaigns about anti fascists on like for years.

Very successful too.

Here is one example.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631

Smear campaigns don’t really change the fact that they’re violent tho.

Anti fascists aren't one single homogeneous group. "They" aren't violent. Some individuals have been violent. "

True, I’ll accept that. Same as MAGA, BLM and ER. A group will always be judged by the actions of the minority tho. If it’s abhorrent enough.

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By *unnyPairCouple
over a year ago

Seminole

Why on earth would anyone try to defend ANTIFA? More importantly, why would anyone give them such undeserved credit knowing how much trouble they have caused?

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

"Why on earth would anyone try to defend ANTIFA? More importantly, why would anyone give them such undeserved credit knowing how much trouble they have caused? "

But of course the far right consisting , neo-nazis, white supremacists, holocaust deniers, QANON conspiracy fantasists, Religious fruitcakes, people touting armed insurrection, and those with baseless claims of election fraud....

Are perfectly fine ???

Racism and fascism should be opposed at every opportunity...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok let’s get this Straight it’s short for Anti Facist, so presumably those who talk about being against Antifa are Pro fascist?

You might as well class everyone who fought against the Nazis in WW2 as ANTIFA

I suspect many of the people here are also ANTIFA, because they believe in democracy and freedom against tyranny and also protecting the weak and vulnerable.

So to those who believe ANTIFA is some left thing it really isn’t, it’s more a morally decent do the right thing movement.

Time to claim the word back from the fascist terrorists who use it as slur.

Just saying....

Well Said

I have Friends who were part of the

Anti Nazi League back in the 70s & early 80s

Going up against The National Front &

The British Movement , they were truly Anti Facists

It seems America has plenty of groups who are

Against Facism & Racism or Bigotry, but there arent many

Who have antifa as part of there name

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why on earth would anyone try to defend ANTIFA? More importantly, why would anyone give them such undeserved credit knowing how much trouble they have caused?

Are perfectly fine ???

Racism and fascism should be opposed at every opportunity..."

Yup .

Spot on with that .

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

it is part of the lexicon of the far right who are pretending to be moderate. their lexicon his handy because it enables people to identify the far right when they attempt it's use in conversation or posting online etc. for instance the far right refer to different colour pills in conversation. it was a nazi tactic to develope a nomenclature that is pushed out in written propaganda then regurgitated repeatedly by followers. the principal idea being that if one controls the language surrounding the debate, they then control the debate itself. it's a tactic diseminated recently by the likes of the tory party, ukip, breitbart, banks, fox (both the 3rd tier actor and the news service)etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why on earth would anyone try to defend ANTIFA? More importantly, why would anyone give them such undeserved credit knowing how much trouble they have caused?

Are perfectly fine ???

Racism and fascism should be opposed at every opportunity..."

Who said they were fine?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There have been long running misinformation campaigns about anti fascists on like for years.

Very successful too.

Here is one example.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631

Smear campaigns don’t really change the fact that they’re violent tho.

Anti fascists aren't one single homogeneous group. "They" aren't violent. Some individuals have been violent.

True, I’ll accept that. Same as MAGA, BLM and ER. A group will always be judged by the actions of the minority tho. If it’s abhorrent enough. "

Sure. I don't know who ER are?

But yeah, personally I think that a protest's merit and cause is diminished when there is violence.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"Why on earth would anyone try to defend ANTIFA? More importantly, why would anyone give them such undeserved credit knowing how much trouble they have caused?

Are perfectly fine ???

Racism and fascism should be opposed at every opportunity...

Yup .

Spot on with that ."

And they call themselves patriots.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why on earth would anyone try to defend ANTIFA? More importantly, why would anyone give them such undeserved credit knowing how much trouble they have caused? "

Why wouldn't people stand up for anti fascists?

All the trouble they caused for fascists? Seems okay.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"There have been long running misinformation campaigns about anti fascists on like for years.

Very successful too.

Here is one example.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631

Smear campaigns don’t really change the fact that they’re violent tho.

Anti fascists aren't one single homogeneous group. "They" aren't violent. Some individuals have been violent.

True, I’ll accept that. Same as MAGA, BLM and ER. A group will always be judged by the actions of the minority tho. If it’s abhorrent enough.

Sure. I don't know who ER are?

But yeah, personally I think that a protest's merit and cause is diminished when there is violence."

apparently that was the premise when right wing terror groups set off from states such as Texas and drove across the country to Minneapolis in order to set fire to police stations and pour a magazine of AK-47 ammunition into the ensuing conflagrations as officers attempted their escape. it was initially thought that the fire and shooting was the work of BLM protestors until the perpetrator was discovered bragging about his actions on internet forums and chatrooms. it seems a secondary motive of escalating violence is part of a coordinated attempt at insurrection which encompasses the violent putsch at the capitol and the intension of armed right wing terrorist groups to march on 50 state capitols and DC next week.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There have been long running misinformation campaigns about anti fascists on like for years.

Very successful too.

Here is one example.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631

Smear campaigns don’t really change the fact that they’re violent tho.

Anti fascists aren't one single homogeneous group. "They" aren't violent. Some individuals have been violent.

True, I’ll accept that. Same as MAGA, BLM and ER. A group will always be judged by the actions of the minority tho. If it’s abhorrent enough.

Sure. I don't know who ER are?

But yeah, personally I think that a protest's merit and cause is diminished when there is violence.

What’s the source for the planned attack on police please? I can’t find it myself.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"There have been long running misinformation campaigns about anti fascists on like for years.

Very successful too.

Here is one example.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631

Smear campaigns don’t really change the fact that they’re violent tho.

Anti fascists aren't one single homogeneous group. "They" aren't violent. Some individuals have been violent.

True, I’ll accept that. Same as MAGA, BLM and ER. A group will always be judged by the actions of the minority tho. If it’s abhorrent enough.

Sure. I don't know who ER are?

But yeah, personally I think that a protest's merit and cause is diminished when there is violence.

What’s the source for the planned attack on police please? I can’t find it myself. "

The name of the person charged was Ivan Harrison Hunter. Google will help you from here. Steven Carillo is another name worth looking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah the Boogaloo. Thought it was something new that had come up. Thank you for clarifying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why on earth would anyone try to defend ANTIFA? More importantly, why would anyone give them such undeserved credit knowing how much trouble they have caused?

Are perfectly fine ???

Racism and fascism should be opposed at every opportunity...

Yup .

Spot on with that .

And they call themselves patriots. "

Supposedly they do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://youtu.be/tQCsVVVknzQ

Michael Moore & others warning of the threat of armed

Marches on the govt buildings of all 50 states including

Capitol Hill .

Hence why 15,000 troops are in DC & why it is being shutdown

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By *unnyPairCouple
over a year ago

Seminole

"Why on earth would anyone try to defend ANTIFA? More importantly, why would anyone give them such undeserved credit knowing how much trouble they have caused?

Are perfectly fine ???

Racism and fascism should be opposed at every opportunity...

Who said they were fine? "

Exactly. Nobody did, but they read our words and the little voices tell them how to respond!

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By *unnyPairCouple
over a year ago

Seminole

"Why on earth would anyone try to defend ANTIFA? More importantly, why would anyone give them such undeserved credit knowing how much trouble they have caused?

Why wouldn't people stand up for anti fascists?

All the trouble they caused for fascists? Seems okay."

The don’t hold the values of anti fascists and you and everyone else knows it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why on earth would anyone try to defend ANTIFA? More importantly, why would anyone give them such undeserved credit knowing how much trouble they have caused?

Why wouldn't people stand up for anti fascists?

All the trouble they caused for fascists? Seems okay.

The don’t hold the values of anti fascists and you and everyone else knows it."

Just ask Ted Wheeler.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why on earth would anyone try to defend ANTIFA? More importantly, why would anyone give them such undeserved credit knowing how much trouble they have caused?

Why wouldn't people stand up for anti fascists?

All the trouble they caused for fascists? Seems okay.

The don’t hold the values of anti fascists and you and everyone else knows it."

I don't consume media that thinks being against fascism is a problem.

So I don't "know" it.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

When I was younger I took part in a few events that were in protest against the BNP. Am I antifa?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why on earth would anyone try to defend ANTIFA? More importantly, why would anyone give them such undeserved credit knowing how much trouble they have caused?

Why wouldn't people stand up for anti fascists?

All the trouble they caused for fascists? Seems okay.

The don’t hold the values of anti fascists and you and everyone else knows it."

Antifa are a proud fascist violent organisation sponsored by emperor palpatine soros

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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago

East Lancashire

The question to ask is...are you against fascism?

If yes, then you are anti fascist (anti....opposite or against in this context).

If no, then you are NOT anti fascist, which doesn't necessarily mean you are pro.

That then leads to the debate.."what do you consider to be fascist"

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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago

East Lancashire

Also, anti fascist doesnt necessarily mean left wing or socialist.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"When I was younger I took part in a few events that were in protest against the BNP. Am I antifa?"

I was also doing the same, am I Antifa as well?

The think about Fascism is that it relies on the silent majority to remain silent. History should have given us a good idea that doing that is not the right answer, it leads to death & destruction. Trump many not ‘believe in’ Fascism, but he is using it for his own ends and his acolytes are going along with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The question to ask is...are you against fascism?

If yes, then you are anti fascist (anti....opposite or against in this context).

If no, then you are NOT anti fascist, which doesn't necessarily mean you are pro.

That then leads to the debate.."what do you consider to be fascist""

Some people appear to the anti-anti-fascist.

Which is a bit of a double negative.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"When I was younger I took part in a few events that were in protest against the BNP. Am I antifa?

I was also doing the same, am I Antifa as well?

Steve Bannon said he wasn't sure if Trump understood the message and he was a 'blunt instrument' to him. There are many around Trump that do understand the message. And there are those that just see it as a means to power.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is a fascist?

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"The question to ask is...are you against fascism?

If yes, then you are anti fascist (anti....opposite or against in this context).

If no, then you are NOT anti fascist, which doesn't necessarily mean you are pro.

That then leads to the debate.."what do you consider to be fascist""

If you are not anti-something, then you assent to it by failing to oppose it; by apathy, if you will.

It's a subtle distinction that doesn't matter so much when you're talking about crisp flavours - but it's what led to the rise of Nazism.

Not enough Germans could be arsed to oppose it.

So, ignore fascist cunts at your peril.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is a fascist? "

Someone who likes fascism.

Fascism (/'fæ??z?m/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

I’ll happily stand against fascism. But I won’t stand with Antifa. Does that make me an anti-anti fascist? Or does my wanting to not associate with any organisation that has stooped to using violence automatically make me a fascist too?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

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This thread hurts my head

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

It's the same when you hijack the name "Patriot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

I just think you're confused. Antifa just means anti fascist. There is no one "antifa" organisation.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

I just think you're confused. Antifa just means anti fascist. There is no one "antifa" organisation."

The right just cannot get their heads around the idea that Antifa is not one political party, or other single structured organisation. It just doesn't compute for them. It's so odd.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

I just think you're confused. Antifa just means anti fascist. There is no one "antifa" organisation.

The right just cannot get their heads around the idea that Antifa is not one political party, or other single structured organisation. It just doesn't compute for them. It's so odd. "

So what is it? The pursuit of political aims through the use of violence if necessary and the fetishization of youth?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

I just think you're confused. Antifa just means anti fascist. There is no one "antifa" organisation.

The right just cannot get their heads around the idea that Antifa is not one political party, or other single structured organisation. It just doesn't compute for them. It's so odd.

So what is it? The pursuit of political aims through the use of violence if necessary and the fetishization of youth? "

No. It's being against fascism.

See definition above.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

Good news!! There isn't an organisation called antifa.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

I just think you're confused. Antifa just means anti fascist. There is no one "antifa" organisation.

The right just cannot get their heads around the idea that Antifa is not one political party, or other single structured organisation. It just doesn't compute for them. It's so odd.

So what is it? The pursuit of political aims through the use of violence if necessary and the fetishization of youth?

No. It's being against fascism.

See definition above. "

By forcible suppression of opposition?

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

I just think you're confused. Antifa just means anti fascist. There is no one "antifa" organisation.

The right just cannot get their heads around the idea that Antifa is not one political party, or other single structured organisation. It just doesn't compute for them. It's so odd.

So what is it? The pursuit of political aims through the use of violence if necessary and the fetishization of youth?

No. It's being against fascism.

See definition above.

By forcible suppression of opposition? "

Any examples?

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

I just think you're confused. Antifa just means anti fascist. There is no one "antifa" organisation.

The right just cannot get their heads around the idea that Antifa is not one political party, or other single structured organisation. It just doesn't compute for them. It's so odd.

So what is it? The pursuit of political aims through the use of violence if necessary and the fetishization of youth?

No. It's being against fascism.

See definition above.

By forcible suppression of opposition? "

Do you understand what fascism is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

I just think you're confused. Antifa just means anti fascist. There is no one "antifa" organisation.

The right just cannot get their heads around the idea that Antifa is not one political party, or other single structured organisation. It just doesn't compute for them. It's so odd.

So what is it? The pursuit of political aims through the use of violence if necessary and the fetishization of youth?

No. It's being against fascism.

See definition above.

By forcible suppression of opposition?

Do you understand what fascism is?"

Yes do you?

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

I just think you're confused. Antifa just means anti fascist. There is no one "antifa" organisation.

The right just cannot get their heads around the idea that Antifa is not one political party, or other single structured organisation. It just doesn't compute for them. It's so odd.

So what is it? The pursuit of political aims through the use of violence if necessary and the fetishization of youth?

No. It's being against fascism.

See definition above.

By forcible suppression of opposition?

Do you understand what fascism is?

Yes do you? "

Tell me what you understand by fascism.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

I just think you're confused. Antifa just means anti fascist. There is no one "antifa" organisation.

The right just cannot get their heads around the idea that Antifa is not one political party, or other single structured organisation. It just doesn't compute for them. It's so odd.

So what is it? The pursuit of political aims through the use of violence if necessary and the fetishization of youth?

No. It's being against fascism.

See definition above.

By forcible suppression of opposition? "

No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

I just think you're confused. Antifa just means anti fascist. There is no one "antifa" organisation."

No because its deliberately, very cleverly decentralised.

Tell Andy Ngo Antifa just means anti fascist and isn’t organised

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

I just think you're confused. Antifa just means anti fascist. There is no one "antifa" organisation.

No because its deliberately, very cleverly decentralised.

Tell Andy Ngo Antifa just means anti fascist and isn’t organised

Why would we do that? Hasn't the poor chap been through enough.

Oh. You're suggesting that a person getting assaulted by some people proves that Antifa is some kind of organisation? Instead of just being people who are opposed to fascism.

Hmmm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

I just think you're confused. Antifa just means anti fascist. There is no one "antifa" organisation.

No because its deliberately, very cleverly decentralised.

Tell Andy Ngo Antifa just means anti fascist and isn’t organised

Why would we do that? Hasn't the poor chap been through enough.

Oh. You're suggesting that a person getting assaulted by some people proves that Antifa is some kind of organisation? Instead of just being people who are opposed to fascism.

Hmmm"

Ever heard of William van Spronson?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

I just think you're confused. Antifa just means anti fascist. There is no one "antifa" organisation.

No because its deliberately, very cleverly decentralised.

Tell Andy Ngo Antifa just means anti fascist and isn’t organised

Why would we do that? Hasn't the poor chap been through enough.

Oh. You're suggesting that a person getting assaulted by some people proves that Antifa is some kind of organisation? Instead of just being people who are opposed to fascism.

Hmmm"

I wouldn’t have expected you to have read any of his work, that much is clear. But it’s eye opening all the same. I’m quite satisfied in my position on this, as I’m sure you are with yours, so I’ll politely agree to disagree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

I just think you're confused. Antifa just means anti fascist. There is no one "antifa" organisation.

The right just cannot get their heads around the idea that Antifa is not one political party, or other single structured organisation. It just doesn't compute for them. It's so odd. "

Nailed it. Should have just ended the thread here.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

I just think you're confused. Antifa just means anti fascist. There is no one "antifa" organisation.

No because its deliberately, very cleverly decentralised.

Tell Andy Ngo Antifa just means anti fascist and isn’t organised

Is that Andy Ngo the right wing troll affiliated with Right wing extremists that claimed the insurrectionists that attacked the Capitol was a BLM/Antifa false flag operation. That guy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

I just think you're confused. Antifa just means anti fascist. There is no one "antifa" organisation.

No because its deliberately, very cleverly decentralised.

Tell Andy Ngo Antifa just means anti fascist and isn’t organised

Is that Andy Ngo the right wing troll affiliated with Right wing extremists that claimed the insurrectionists that attacked the Capitol was a BLM/Antifa false flag operation. That guy?"

‘Troll’

Ok duck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Facism was a response to Communism, that's a fact.

You don't call Fascists anti-coms do you.

The only reason the horrible ideology was not wiped off the face of the map was because the enemy of enemy is our friend ie the soviet union during world war 2. Plus the allies de-milatrised pretty much straight after ww2 the soviet union did not.

We are lucky the US had nuclear deterrents or Russia would of pushed west.

Authoritarianism is bad no matter what side you are on.

Antifa is not just an idea as you like to espouse. They come from

Antifaschistische Aktion which was the militant arm of the German Communist Party (KPD).

They use the same tactics as Fascits, attacking political enemies with violence.

Think alot of people forgot the political spectrum is not a line but a circle.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"What is a fascist?

Someone who likes fascism.

I just think you're confused. Antifa just means anti fascist. There is no one "antifa" organisation.

No because its deliberately, very cleverly decentralised.

Tell Andy Ngo Antifa just means anti fascist and isn’t organised

Is that Andy Ngo the right wing troll affiliated with Right wing extremists that claimed the insurrectionists that attacked the Capitol was a BLM/Antifa false flag operation. That guy?

‘Troll’

Ok duck"

The same guy?

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over a year ago

"Facism was a response to Communism, that's a fact.

You don't call Fascists anti-coms do you.

We are lucky the US had nuclear deterrents or Russia would of pushed west.

Authoritarianism is bad no matter what side you are on.

Antifa is not just an idea as you like to espouse. They come from

Antifaschistische Aktion which was the militant arm of the German Communist Party (KPD).

They use the same tactics as Fascits, attacking political enemies with violence.

Think alot of people forgot the political spectrum is not a line but a circle."

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over a year ago

"Facism was a response to Communism, that's a fact.

You don't call Fascists anti-coms do you.

We are lucky the US had nuclear deterrents or Russia would of pushed west.

Authoritarianism is bad no matter what side you are on.

Antifa is not just an idea as you like to espouse. They come from

Antifaschistische Aktion which was the militant arm of the German Communist Party (KPD).

They use the same tactics as Fascits, attacking political enemies with violence.

Think alot of people forgot the political spectrum is not a line but a circle."

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”

Friedrich Nietzsche

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over a year ago

"Facism was a response to Communism, that's a fact.

You don't call Fascists anti-coms do you.

We are lucky the US had nuclear deterrents or Russia would of pushed west.

Authoritarianism is bad no matter what side you are on.

Antifa is not just an idea as you like to espouse. They come from

Antifaschistische Aktion which was the militant arm of the German Communist Party (KPD).

They use the same tactics as Fascits, attacking political enemies with violence.

Think alot of people forgot the political spectrum is not a line but a circle.

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”

Friedrich Nietzsche

We've completely left the realm of reality here.

Do you genuinely believe this, or are you trolling?

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"Facism was a response to Communism, that's a fact.

You don't call Fascists anti-coms do you.

We are lucky the US had nuclear deterrents or Russia would of pushed west.

Authoritarianism is bad no matter what side you are on.

Antifa is not just an idea as you like to espouse. They come from

Antifaschistische Aktion which was the militant arm of the German Communist Party (KPD).

They use the same tactics as Fascits, attacking political enemies with violence.

Think alot of people forgot the political spectrum is not a line but a circle.

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”

Friedrich Nietzsche

We've completely left the realm of reality here.

Do you genuinely believe this, or are you trolling?"

Surfer, you are about to enter the twilight zone.

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over a year ago

"Facism was a response to Communism, that's a fact.

You don't call Fascists anti-coms do you.

We are lucky the US had nuclear deterrents or Russia would of pushed west.

Authoritarianism is bad no matter what side you are on.

Antifa is not just an idea as you like to espouse. They come from

Antifaschistische Aktion which was the militant arm of the German Communist Party (KPD).

They use the same tactics as Fascits, attacking political enemies with violence.

Think alot of people forgot the political spectrum is not a line but a circle.

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”

Friedrich Nietzsche

We've completely left the realm of reality here.

Do you genuinely believe this, or are you trolling?"

What i have said is historical fact

Sorry if it hurts your feelings

Should we put it down the memory hole?

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over a year ago

"Facism was a response to Communism, that's a fact.

You don't call Fascists anti-coms do you.

We are lucky the US had nuclear deterrents or Russia would of pushed west.

Authoritarianism is bad no matter what side you are on.

Antifa is not just an idea as you like to espouse. They come from

Antifaschistische Aktion which was the militant arm of the German Communist Party (KPD).

They use the same tactics as Fascits, attacking political enemies with violence.

Think alot of people forgot the political spectrum is not a line but a circle.

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”

Friedrich Nietzsche

We've completely left the realm of reality here.

Do you genuinely believe this, or are you trolling?

What i have said is historical fact

Sorry if it hurts your feelings

Should we put it down the memory hole?"

Twilight zone it is.

Just for the record. Trolling was the better of the two options.

Anyhow. Good luck.

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over a year ago

"Facism was a response to Communism, that's a fact.

You don't call Fascists anti-coms do you.

We are lucky the US had nuclear deterrents or Russia would of pushed west.

Authoritarianism is bad no matter what side you are on.

Antifa is not just an idea as you like to espouse. They come from

Antifaschistische Aktion which was the militant arm of the German Communist Party (KPD).

They use the same tactics as Fascits, attacking political enemies with violence.

Think alot of people forgot the political spectrum is not a line but a circle.

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”

Friedrich Nietzsche

We've completely left the realm of reality here.

Do you genuinely believe this, or are you trolling?

What i have said is historical fact

Sorry if it hurts your feelings

Should we put it down the memory hole?

Twilight zone it is.

Just for the record. Trolling was the better of the two options.

Anyhow. Good luck."

You are welcome to point out what i have said that is untrue...

I'll wait

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over a year ago

"Facism was a response to Communism, that's a fact.

You don't call Fascists anti-coms do you.

We are lucky the US had nuclear deterrents or Russia would of pushed west.

Authoritarianism is bad no matter what side you are on.

Antifa is not just an idea as you like to espouse. They come from

Antifaschistische Aktion which was the militant arm of the German Communist Party (KPD).

They use the same tactics as Fascits, attacking political enemies with violence.

Think alot of people forgot the political spectrum is not a line but a circle.

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”

Friedrich Nietzsche

We've completely left the realm of reality here.

Do you genuinely believe this, or are you trolling?

What i have said is historical fact

Sorry if it hurts your feelings

Should we put it down the memory hole?

Twilight zone it is.

Just for the record. Trolling was the better of the two options.

Anyhow. Good luck."

What is it that you dislike so much about education?

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

How about 99% of people are anti fascist. A small number might be antifa but they are hard to identify. The remaining 1% are fascist or fascist sympathisers - boogaloo boyz, proud boyz etc. National Front in the UK.

The Fascist 1% are the issue here. They are the

ones who attempted a coup in the US. Lets not get distracted by equivalence crap

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over a year ago

I recommend people watch Yuri Bezmenov's talk from the 1980's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9TviIuXPSE

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over a year ago

"How about 99% of people are anti fascist. A small number might be antifa but they are hard to identify. The remaining 1% are fascist or fascist sympathisers - boogaloo boyz, proud boyz etc. National Front in the UK.

The Fascist 1% are the issue here. They are the

ones who attempted a coup in the US. Lets not get distracted by equivalence crap

There is a equivalent they are all anti government . Let's just call them ANTIGOV.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

The Fascist 1% are the issue here. They are the

ones who attempted a coup in the US. Lets not get distracted by equivalence crap

There is a equivalent they are all anti government . Let's just call them ANTIGOV."

Ok first clue is in the name, Antifa, not anti government but anti facsist.

Next clue is that one is a ideology, the other is an group of right wing organisations that share some common goals. In this case, overturning an election.

Not all of Trumps supporters are fascists, but they are among his supporters, he knows it and he openly courts them. The extremists see Trump as a means to an end.

The republicans have been practising the 'big lie' school of politics for a while now, Trump has taken it to an different level. What is at stake here is democracy. We have seen before and are seeing again the consequences of an undemocratic leader gaining power. It's not pretty.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"Facism was a response to Communism, that's a fact.

You don't call Fascists anti-coms do you.

We are lucky the US had nuclear deterrents or Russia would of pushed west.

Authoritarianism is bad no matter what side you are on.

Antifa is not just an idea as you like to espouse. They come from

Antifaschistische Aktion which was the militant arm of the German Communist Party (KPD).

They use the same tactics as Fascits, attacking political enemies with violence.

Think alot of people forgot the political spectrum is not a line but a circle.

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”

Friedrich Nietzsche

We've completely left the realm of reality here.

Do you genuinely believe this, or are you trolling?

What i have said is historical fact

Sorry if it hurts your feelings

Should we put it down the memory hole?

Twilight zone it is.

Just for the record. Trolling was the better of the two options.

Anyhow. Good luck.

You are welcome to point out what i have said that is untrue...

I'll wait"

The silence is deafening

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over a year ago

The Fascist 1% are the issue here. They are the

ones who attempted a coup in the US. Lets not get distracted by equivalence crap

There is a equivalent they are all anti government . Let's just call them ANTIGOV.

Ok first clue is in the name, Antifa, not anti government but anti facsist.

Next clue is that one is a ideology, the other is an group of right wing organisations that share some common goals. In this case, overturning an election.

Not all of Trumps supporters are fascists, but they are among his supporters, he knows it and he openly courts them. The extremists see Trump as a means to an end.

First clue is in the name

You do know that anarchists attach themselves to antifa don't you?

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

The Fascist 1% are the issue here. They are the

ones who attempted a coup in the US. Lets not get distracted by equivalence crap

There is a equivalent they are all anti government . Let's just call them ANTIGOV.

Ok first clue is in the name, Antifa, not anti government but anti facsist.

Next clue is that one is a ideology, the other is an group of right wing organisations that share some common goals. In this case, overturning an election.

Not all of Trumps supporters are fascists, but they are among his supporters, he knows it and he openly courts them. The extremists see Trump as a means to an end.

First clue is in the name

You do know that anarchists attach themselves to antifa don't you? "

That doesn't matter. They've claimed to be anti fascists so it must be true

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Ok let’s get this Straight it’s short for Anti Facist, so presumably those who talk about being against Antifa are Pro fascist?

You might as well class everyone who fought against the Nazis in WW2 as ANTIFA

I suspect many of the people here are also ANTIFA, because they believe in democracy and freedom against tyranny and also protecting the weak and vulnerable.

So to those who believe ANTIFA is some left thing it really isn’t, it’s more a morally decent do the right thing movement.

Time to claim the word back from the fascist terrorists who use it as slur.

Just saying....

There is a pattern. “Woke” is used as a derogatory insult. However, to be “woke” is in fact to possess very positive human traits. Compassion, understanding and empathy are all required to be a woke person. But how can you insult someone who is compassionate and understanding? Simple - create an all encompassing word to insult them with.

BLM - a simple acceptance that Black Lives Matter just as much as white lives. It needs saying because in many societies - including our own, white privilege is the name of the game. Best thing to do then is to criticise BLM as being a Marxist organisation so that the racists can argue against racial equality.

Points to note. It is just one group that campaigns against antifa, BLM and woke.

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over a year ago

"Facism was a response to Communism, that's a fact.

You don't call Fascists anti-coms do you.

We are lucky the US had nuclear deterrents or Russia would of pushed west.

Authoritarianism is bad no matter what side you are on.

Antifa is not just an idea as you like to espouse. They come from

Antifaschistische Aktion which was the militant arm of the German Communist Party (KPD).

They use the same tactics as Fascits, attacking political enemies with violence.

Think alot of people forgot the political spectrum is not a line but a circle.

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”

Friedrich Nietzsche

They said i was ruthless daring savage

blood thirsty even heartless

The Clergy called me & my comrades murderers

but the British were met with there own weapons

They had gone down into the mire

To destroy us as a Nation

And down after them we had to go .

Tom Barry

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over a year ago

"Ok let’s get this Straight it’s short for Anti Facist, so presumably those who talk about being against Antifa are Pro fascist?

You might as well class everyone who fought against the Nazis in WW2 as ANTIFA

I suspect many of the people here are also ANTIFA, because they believe in democracy and freedom against tyranny and also protecting the weak and vulnerable.

So to those who believe ANTIFA is some left thing it really isn’t, it’s more a morally decent do the right thing movement.

Time to claim the word back from the fascist terrorists who use it as slur.

Just saying....

Points to note. It is just one group that campaigns against antifa, BLM and woke."

Yes and I will "campaign" against any violence what so ever under the guise of a movement. Left right up down and in between. Justice is Justice.

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over a year ago

"Ok let’s get this Straight it’s short for Anti Facist, so presumably those who talk about being against Antifa are Pro fascist?

You might as well class everyone who fought against the Nazis in WW2 as ANTIFA

I suspect many of the people here are also ANTIFA, because they believe in democracy and freedom against tyranny and also protecting the weak and vulnerable.

So to those who believe ANTIFA is some left thing it really isn’t, it’s more a morally decent do the right thing movement.

Time to claim the word back from the fascist terrorists who use it as slur.

Just saying....

Points to note. It is just one group that campaigns against antifa, BLM and woke."

Indeed

The Protesters supporting Trump at BLM protests

Were there they said to proclaim that infact

Blue Lives Matter ,The Police were to be respected.

Fast Forward to Washington DC Capitol Hill

Hey Mr Policeman , im gonna show youhow a Fire Exstinguisher

Is Crushing your head cos Blue Lives supposedly dont matter

After All.

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over a year ago

"Ok let’s get this Straight it’s short for Anti Facist, so presumably those who talk about being against Antifa are Pro fascist?

You might as well class everyone who fought against the Nazis in WW2 as ANTIFA

I suspect many of the people here are also ANTIFA, because they believe in democracy and freedom against tyranny and also protecting the weak and vulnerable.

So to those who believe ANTIFA is some left thing it really isn’t, it’s more a morally decent do the right thing movement.

Time to claim the word back from the fascist terrorists who use it as slur.

Just saying....

Points to note. It is just one group that campaigns against antifa, BLM and woke.

Yes and I will "campaign" against any violence what so ever under the guise of a movement. Left right up down and in between. Justice is Justice. "

Considered a independent/ constitutionalist. You know the preamble. We the people. Not we the woke we the right we the left. People all races.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"Ok let’s get this Straight it’s short for Anti Facist, so presumably those who talk about being against Antifa are Pro fascist?

You might as well class everyone who fought against the Nazis in WW2 as ANTIFA

I suspect many of the people here are also ANTIFA, because they believe in democracy and freedom against tyranny and also protecting the weak and vulnerable.

So to those who believe ANTIFA is some left thing it really isn’t, it’s more a morally decent do the right thing movement.

Time to claim the word back from the fascist terrorists who use it as slur.

Just saying....

Points to note. It is just one group that campaigns against antifa, BLM and woke.

Yes and I will "campaign" against any violence what so ever under the guise of a movement. Left right up down and in between. Justice is Justice.

Considered a independent/ constitutionalist. You know the preamble. We the people. Not we the woke we the right we the left. People all races."

So do you regret voting for him?

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over a year ago

"Ok let’s get this Straight it’s short for Anti Facist, so presumably those who talk about being against Antifa are Pro fascist?

You might as well class everyone who fought against the Nazis in WW2 as ANTIFA

I suspect many of the people here are also ANTIFA, because they believe in democracy and freedom against tyranny and also protecting the weak and vulnerable.

So to those who believe ANTIFA is some left thing it really isn’t, it’s more a morally decent do the right thing movement.

Time to claim the word back from the fascist terrorists who use it as slur.

Just saying....

Points to note. It is just one group that campaigns against antifa, BLM and woke.

Yes and I will "campaign" against any violence what so ever under the guise of a movement. Left right up down and in between. Justice is Justice.

Considered a independent/ constitutionalist. You know the preamble. We the people. Not we the woke we the right we the left. People all races.

So do you regret voting for him?"

Yes when the attack on the Capital happened.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why on earth would anyone try to defend ANTIFA? More importantly, why would anyone give them such undeserved credit knowing how much trouble they have caused?

Why wouldn't people stand up for anti fascists?

All the trouble they caused for fascists? Seems okay.

The don’t hold the values of anti fascists and you and everyone else knows it.

Antifa are a proud fascist violent organisation sponsored by emperor palpatine soros"

Guess you are QANON then?

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over a year ago

"Facism was a response to Communism, that's a fact.

You don't call Fascists anti-coms do you.

We are lucky the US had nuclear deterrents or Russia would of pushed west.

Authoritarianism is bad no matter what side you are on.

Antifa is not just an idea as you like to espouse. They come from

Antifaschistische Aktion which was the militant arm of the German Communist Party (KPD).

They use the same tactics as Fascits, attacking political enemies with violence.

Think alot of people forgot the political spectrum is not a line but a circle.

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”

Friedrich Nietzsche

We've completely left the realm of reality here.

Do you genuinely believe this, or are you trolling?

What i have said is historical fact

Sorry if it hurts your feelings

Should we put it down the memory hole?

Twilight zone it is.

Just for the record. Trolling was the better of the two options.

Anyhow. Good luck.

You are welcome to point out what i have said that is untrue...

I'll wait"

Agree on the circle theory extreme left and extreme right have distinct similarities and disinct differences.

This is why there are groups which are around to call out warn us if we go to the extremes.

At the moment, the far right are the greatest threat to humanity and society, as we defeated communism in the west ages ago.

If groups who are trying to highlight the fact they have returned, it says theres a big problem and need to sort it.

Think of antifa as the canary down the coalmine.

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over a year ago

If the world did not have facists, Antifa would have no need to exist.

Suck on those eggs

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By *unnyPairCouple
over a year ago

Seminole

So the highly enlightened ones here have determined that Antifa is a worldwide ethos to be against fascism. Sadly, there IS an organized group of unemployed, handout wanting, shitting in the streets, rioting black hoodie (over blue hair) skateboarding thugs in America that call themselves Antifa. Their actions during the Obama era were the same as they are now. It probably started out with proper ideals and leadership, but has morphed into a replacement for rave parties and the need to have responsibilities as an adult. The name now just tricks good hearted people into overlooking that their actions aren’t against fascism at all.

BLM also started out purposeful and now is a money making scheme for their top tiers. Inner city blacks get nothing from them.

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By *unnyPairCouple
over a year ago

Seminole

"If the world did not have facists, Antifa would have no need to exist.

Suck on those eggs"

Then if murder was a crime, you wouldn’t need BLM. Oh wait....

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over a year ago

"If the world did not have facists, Antifa would have no need to exist.

Suck on those eggs

Then if murder was a crime, you wouldn’t need BLM. Oh wait...."

If the police in the states didn't kill Lots of black people. Wouldn't need BLM.

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over a year ago

"So the highly enlightened ones here have determined that Antifa is a worldwide ethos to be against fascism. Sadly, there IS an organized group of unemployed, handout wanting, shitting in the streets, rioting black hoodie (over blue hair) skateboarding thugs in America that call themselves Antifa. Their actions during the Obama era were the same as they are now. It probably started out with proper ideals and leadership, but has morphed into a replacement for rave parties and the need to have responsibilities as an adult. The name now just tricks good hearted people into overlooking that their actions aren’t against fascism at all.

BLM also started out purposeful and now is a money making scheme for their top tiers. Inner city blacks get nothing from them. "

Well I happen to think you and Ted Wheeler are dead wrong now! Because some guys on a swingers site said they exist

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

The Fascist 1% are the issue here. They are the

ones who attempted a coup in the US. Lets not get distracted by equivalence crap

There is a equivalent they are all anti government . Let's just call them ANTIGOV."

Why not just call them what they are American Traitors or ANTIAMERICAN

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By *orksCouple25Couple
over a year ago

Leeds

While discussing the meaning of a name how come Hitlers party was called the National Socialist party ?I wouldn't call anybody who thinks socialism is a better system than capitalism a Nazi. Having said that some people call themselves socialist when they are secretly Marxist ie communist in their ideology but they know that word is as toxic as the word fascist so they avoid it.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"While discussing the meaning of a name how come Hitlers party was called the National Socialist party ?I wouldn't call anybody who thinks socialism is a better system than capitalism a Nazi. Having said that some people call themselves socialist when they are secretly Marxist ie communist in their ideology but they know that word is as toxic as the word fascist so they avoid it. "

Ok, Nazism is identifed as being far right politics. Hitler despised left wing ideologies. The Nazis was a far-right fascist political party.

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over a year ago

Ok, Nazism is identifed as being far right politics. Hitler despised left wing ideologies. The Nazis was a far-right fascist political party. "

So in this instance the Clue is not in the name?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

And people get called marxists when they are nothing of the sort.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And people get called marxists when they are nothing of the sort."

Do people get called anti fascist when they are nothing of the sort?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

And people get called marxists when they are nothing of the sort.

Do people get called anti fascist when they are nothing of the sort? "

Who like?

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By *ud and BryanCouple
over a year ago

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Ok, Nazism is identifed as being far right politics. Hitler despised left wing ideologies. The Nazis was a far-right fascist political party. "

Actually Hitler was a communist, he owned nothing more than his clothes and hated the Jews ad he considered them to be the ultimate capitalists - according to a biography published in 1939.

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over a year ago

And people get called marxists when they are nothing of the sort.

Do people get called anti fascist when they are nothing of the sort?

Who like?"

Like the people who get called Marxists when they are nothing of the sort

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Ok, Nazism is identifed as being far right politics. Hitler despised left wing ideologies. The Nazis was a far-right fascist political party.

Actually Hitler was a communist, he owned nothing more than his clothes and hated the Jews ad he considered them to be the ultimate capitalists - according to a biography published in 1939. "

Ha ha ha ha ha

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

And people get called marxists when they are nothing of the sort.

Do people get called anti fascist when they are nothing of the sort?

Who like?

Like the people who get called Marxists when they are nothing of the sort "

Who?what people?

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over a year ago

And people get called marxists when they are nothing of the sort.

Do people get called anti fascist when they are nothing of the sort?

Who like?

Like the people who get called Marxists when they are nothing of the sort

Who?what people?"

I dunno, you said it

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

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I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

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"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did "

Trump's biography?

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over a year ago

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"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

Trump's biography?"

A single page fire?

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over a year ago

"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

Trump's biography?"

Even if it was, would that be good?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

Trump's biography?

A single page fire? "

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

Trump's biography?

Even if it was, would that be good? "

Nope burning books is never a good sign..even his deranged ramblings.

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over a year ago

"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

Trump's biography?

Even if it was, would that be good?

Nope burning books is never a good sign..even his deranged ramblings."

So, does anyone here still want to pretend that Antifa are anti fascist?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

Trump's biography?

Even if it was, would that be good?

Nope burning books is never a good sign..even his deranged ramblings.

So, does anyone here still want to pretend that Antifa are anti fascist? "

Are they one homogeneous group?

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

Trump's biography?

Even if it was, would that be good?

Nope burning books is never a good sign..even his deranged ramblings.

So, does anyone here still want to pretend that Antifa are anti fascist?

Are they one homogeneous group?"

This is why I'm so ashamed of the left. Very quick to call out extremists on the right but somehow its always a different story when it comes from the left

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over a year ago

"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did "

This is just getting silly now. So some people burned books or a book shop. And now everyone who is against fascism is a book burner?

It's like saying that all you far right leaning people are exactly identical to Timothy McVeigh. Which would be equally silly and ridiculous.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

This is just getting silly now. So some people burned books or a book shop. And now everyone who is against fascism is a book burner?

It's like saying that all you far right leaning people are exactly identical to Timothy McVeigh. Which would be equally silly and ridiculous."

That said, isn't it remarkable how many cannot bring themselves to condemn a would be fascist and white supremacist. Instead its whataboutery and simple minded trolling.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

This is just getting silly now. So some people burned books or a book shop. And now everyone who is against fascism is a book burner?

It's like saying that all you far right leaning people are exactly identical to Timothy McVeigh. Which would be equally silly and ridiculous."

As silly and ridiculous as suggesting people who have educated themselves about Antifa are far right. Instead of desperately climbing on a band wagon to signal your virtue why dont you do some research. You're exactly the type of leftie that I describe in my previous post. Why is that everybody who doesn't agree with you has to be far right

You are exactly the type of person that is embarrassing the left. And that's coming from an old school leftie!

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over a year ago

"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

This is just getting silly now. So some people burned books or a book shop. And now everyone who is against fascism is a book burner?

It's like saying that all you far right leaning people are exactly identical to Timothy McVeigh. Which would be equally silly and ridiculous.

You are exactly the type of person that is embarrassing the left. And that's coming from an old school leftie! "

Not everyone who is opposed to fascism is a "leftie". We're from all over the political spectrum.

I assume you're far right because of how easily you appear to be come angered at anyone who is involved in fighting racism, BLM, people who are against fascism etc. Of course I'm making an assumption based on the very little I know about you, which is just limited to your posts on here. So apologies if you're not.

To be clear it has nothing to do with agreeing with me or not, as I'm not putting forward an opinion on anti fascist, aside from the fact that they're mostly against fascism.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

This is just getting silly now. So some people burned books or a book shop. And now everyone who is against fascism is a book burner?

It's like saying that all you far right leaning people are exactly identical to Timothy McVeigh. Which would be equally silly and ridiculous.

You are exactly the type of person that is embarrassing the left. And that's coming from an old school leftie!

Not everyone who is opposed to fascism is a "leftie". We're from all over the political spectrum.

To be clear it has nothing to do with agreeing with me or not, as I'm not putting forward an opinion on anti fascist, aside from the fact that they're mostly against fascism. "

Forget it. You can carry on jumping on band wagons and claiming that anyone that doesn't agree with you is far right. And you're correct, you do know nothing about me and what I stand for and what I have stood for my entire life

I'm done. Best of luck to you

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over a year ago

"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

This is just getting silly now. So some people burned books or a book shop. And now everyone who is against fascism is a book burner?

It's like saying that all you far right leaning people are exactly identical to Timothy McVeigh. Which would be equally silly and ridiculous.

You are exactly the type of person that is embarrassing the left. And that's coming from an old school leftie!

Not everyone who is opposed to fascism is a "leftie". We're from all over the political spectrum.

To be clear it has nothing to do with agreeing with me or not, as I'm not putting forward an opinion on anti fascist, aside from the fact that they're mostly against fascism.

I'm done. Best of luck to you"

Okay. Have a good evening.

Although did specifically point out that I don't think people who disagree are far right. See above.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

Trump's biography?

Even if it was, would that be good?

Nope burning books is never a good sign..even his deranged ramblings.

So, does anyone here still want to pretend that Antifa are anti fascist?

Are they one homogeneous group?

This is why I'm so ashamed of the left. Very quick to call out extremists on the right but somehow its always a different story when it comes from the left "

How do you work that out?

Are all trump supporters 1 group?

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over a year ago

"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

Trump's biography?

Even if it was, would that be good?

Nope burning books is never a good sign..even his deranged ramblings.

So, does anyone here still want to pretend that Antifa are anti fascist?

Are they one homogeneous group?

This is why I'm so ashamed of the left. Very quick to call out extremists on the right but somehow its always a different story when it comes from the left

How do you work that out?

Are all trump supporters 1 group?"

Apparently we are expected to call out extremely non-fascist people.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

This is just getting silly now. So some people burned books or a book shop. And now everyone who is against fascism is a book burner?

It's like saying that all you far right leaning people are exactly identical to Timothy McVeigh. Which would be equally silly and ridiculous.

You are exactly the type of person that is embarrassing the left. And that's coming from an old school leftie!

Not everyone who is opposed to fascism is a "leftie". We're from all over the political spectrum.

To be clear it has nothing to do with agreeing with me or not, as I'm not putting forward an opinion on anti fascist, aside from the fact that they're mostly against fascism.

I'm done. Best of luck to you

Okay. Have a good evening.

Although did specifically point out that I don't think people who disagree are far right. See above."

'All you far right leaning people'

Dont EVER make the suggestion that I'm far right leaning!

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

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"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

This is just getting silly now. So some people burned books or a book shop. And now everyone who is against fascism is a book burner?

It's like saying that all you far right leaning people are exactly identical to Timothy McVeigh. Which would be equally silly and ridiculous.

You are exactly the type of person that is embarrassing the left. And that's coming from an old school leftie!

Not everyone who is opposed to fascism is a "leftie". We're from all over the political spectrum.

To be clear it has nothing to do with agreeing with me or not, as I'm not putting forward an opinion on anti fascist, aside from the fact that they're mostly against fascism.

I'm done. Best of luck to you

Okay. Have a good evening.

Although did specifically point out that I don't think people who disagree are far right. See above.

'All you far right leaning people'

Dont EVER make the suggestion that I'm far right leaning!"

How would you describe yourself?

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over a year ago

"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

This is just getting silly now. So some people burned books or a book shop. And now everyone who is against fascism is a book burner?

It's like saying that all you far right leaning people are exactly identical to Timothy McVeigh. Which would be equally silly and ridiculous.

You are exactly the type of person that is embarrassing the left. And that's coming from an old school leftie!

Not everyone who is opposed to fascism is a "leftie". We're from all over the political spectrum.

To be clear it has nothing to do with agreeing with me or not, as I'm not putting forward an opinion on anti fascist, aside from the fact that they're mostly against fascism.

I'm done. Best of luck to you

Okay. Have a good evening.

Although did specifically point out that I don't think people who disagree are far right. See above.

'All you far right leaning people'

Dont EVER make the suggestion that I'm far right leaning!"

Okay. I won't.

But it wasn't an out there suggestion based on your posts here.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

This is just getting silly now. So some people burned books or a book shop. And now everyone who is against fascism is a book burner?

It's like saying that all you far right leaning people are exactly identical to Timothy McVeigh. Which would be equally silly and ridiculous.

You are exactly the type of person that is embarrassing the left. And that's coming from an old school leftie!

Not everyone who is opposed to fascism is a "leftie". We're from all over the political spectrum.

To be clear it has nothing to do with agreeing with me or not, as I'm not putting forward an opinion on anti fascist, aside from the fact that they're mostly against fascism.

I'm done. Best of luck to you

Okay. Have a good evening.

Although did specifically point out that I don't think people who disagree are far right. See above.

'All you far right leaning people'

Dont EVER make the suggestion that I'm far right leaning!"

Well it's a far assumption when you repeat far right talking points.

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over a year ago

Researching a subject and being knowledgeable rather than being sheeplike makes you far right now? Unbelievable

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

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"Researching a subject and being knowledgeable rather than being sheeplike makes you far right now? Unbelievable

Precisely why I despair of the left these days

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"Researching a subject and being knowledgeable rather than being sheeplike makes you far right now? Unbelievable

Precisely why I despair of the left these days"

You despaired of Twitter preventing further incitement of violence, you have disingenuously defend right wing figures allied to violent extremist groups and see Antifa as the mother of all evils. Can you understand how such positions indicate an empathy for extreme right positions.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"Researching a subject and being knowledgeable rather than being sheeplike makes you far right now? Unbelievable

Precisely why I despair of the left these days

I called out Twitter's double standards by allowing the leader of Iran to post violence inciting tweets about Israel. If that now makes me far right in your eyes then, like I say, I despair

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"Researching a subject and being knowledgeable rather than being sheeplike makes you far right now? Unbelievable

Precisely why I despair of the left these days

I called out Twitter's double standards by allowing the leader of Iran to post violence inciting tweets about Israel. If that now makes me far right in your eyes then, like I say, I despair "

This is a good example where you've repeated things from the right wing Trump friendly media.

It's a non-stoey, they removed his tweet, where they left lots of Trump's calls for violence. For years.

This is why some of us made the assumptions we did.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"Researching a subject and being knowledgeable rather than being sheeplike makes you far right now? Unbelievable

Precisely why I despair of the left these days

I called out Twitter's double standards by allowing the leader of Iran to post violence inciting tweets about Israel. If that now makes me far right in your eyes then, like I say, I despair

This is a good example where you've repeated things from the right wing Trump friendly media.

It's a non-stoey, they removed his tweet, where they left lots of Trump's calls for violence. For years.

This is why some of us made the assumptions we did. "

Further to this I suggest you familiarise yourself with the legal concept of imminence and the limits this places on First Amendment. Even though 1A doesn't apply to twitter, the concept of "Imminent lawless action" places limits on freedom of speech. The law finds
"Advocacy of force or criminal activity does not receive First Amendment protections if the advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action, and is likely to incite or produce such action."

Trump was threatening further violence, that was why Twitter to the decision to remove him. He had incited violence to overturn the election results and threatening further violence.

Somehow I think you're still going persist with your false equivalency and I'm disinclined to alter my perceptions of you

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

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"Researching a subject and being knowledgeable rather than being sheeplike makes you far right now? Unbelievable

Precisely why I despair of the left these days

I called out Twitter's double standards by allowing the leader of Iran to post violence inciting tweets about Israel. If that now makes me far right in your eyes then, like I say, I despair

This is a good example where you've repeated things from the right wing Trump friendly media.

It's a non-stoey, they removed his tweet, where they left lots of Trump's calls for violence. For years.

This is why some of us made the assumptions we did. "

I wouldn't know what right wing trump friendly media is to be honest. But anyway, you made your assumptions about me and to be fair you dont strike me as someone that changes their mind so I'll leave it there

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

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"Researching a subject and being knowledgeable rather than being sheeplike makes you far right now? Unbelievable

Precisely why I despair of the left these days

I called out Twitter's double standards by allowing the leader of Iran to post violence inciting tweets about Israel. If that now makes me far right in your eyes then, like I say, I despair

This is a good example where you've repeated things from the right wing Trump friendly media.

It's a non-stoey, they removed his tweet, where they left lots of Trump's calls for violence. For years.

This is why some of us made the assumptions we did.

Further to this I suggest you familiarise yourself with the legal concept of imminence and the limits this places on First Amendment. Even though 1A doesn't apply to twitter, the concept of "Imminent lawless action" places limits on freedom of speech. The law finds Advocacy of force or criminal activity does not receive First Amendment protections if the advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action, and is likely to incite or produce such action.

Trump was threatening further violence, that was why Twitter to the decision to remove him. He had incited violence to overturn the election results and threatening further violence.

Somehow I think you're still going persist with your false equivalency and I'm disinclined to alter my perceptions of you"

It's going to be a struggle but I think I can live with that

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"Researching a subject and being knowledgeable rather than being sheeplike makes you far right now? Unbelievable

Precisely why I despair of the left these days

I called out Twitter's double standards by allowing the leader of Iran to post violence inciting tweets about Israel. If that now makes me far right in your eyes then, like I say, I despair

This is a good example where you've repeated things from the right wing Trump friendly media.

It's a non-stoey, they removed his tweet, where they left lots of Trump's calls for violence. For years.

This is why some of us made the assumptions we did.

It's the type of media that pumps out stories based on half truths to demonise people who are against fascism, the type of media brought the type of stories and narrative that you like to post. IE all anti fascists are violent book burners etc etc. IE, Twitter were unfair to Trump because look at Iran.

I'm all for changing my mind on any subject. I'm open minded to sensible ideas and reasoned argument.

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over a year ago

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"Researching a subject and being knowledgeable rather than being sheeplike makes you far right now? Unbelievable

Precisely why I despair of the left these days

I called out Twitter's double standards by allowing the leader of Iran to post violence inciting tweets about Israel. If that now makes me far right in your eyes then, like I say, I despair

This is a good example where you've repeated things from the right wing Trump friendly media.

It's a non-stoey, they removed his tweet, where they left lots of Trump's calls for violence. For years.

This is why some of us made the assumptions we did.

I'm all for changing my mind on any subject. I'm open minded to sensible ideas and reasoned argument. "

Okie dokie

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

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"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

This is just getting silly now. So some people burned books or a book shop. And now everyone who is against fascism is a book burner?

It's like saying that all you far right leaning people are exactly identical to Timothy McVeigh. Which would be equally silly and ridiculous.

You are exactly the type of person that is embarrassing the left. And that's coming from an old school leftie!

Not everyone who is opposed to fascism is a "leftie". We're from all over the political spectrum.

To be clear it has nothing to do with agreeing with me or not, as I'm not putting forward an opinion on anti fascist, aside from the fact that they're mostly against fascism.

I'm done. Best of luck to you

Okay. Have a good evening.

Although did specifically point out that I don't think people who disagree are far right. See above.

'All you far right leaning people'

Dont EVER make the suggestion that I'm far right leaning!

How would you describe yourself? "

I note you haven’t responded to this question.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Researching a subject and being knowledgeable rather than being sheeplike makes you far right now? Unbelievable

Precisely why I despair of the left these days

I called out Twitter's double standards by allowing the leader of Iran to post violence inciting tweets about Israel. If that now makes me far right in your eyes then, like I say, I despair "

Whereas isreal just go.out and commit atrocities rather than tweeting about them.

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"I'd have thought they'd have been proud to be anti fascist instead of dressing in black and covering their faces while they attack innocent people and set fire to public buildings

At least they haven't started burning books yet. Oh wait, they just did

This is just getting silly now. So some people burned books or a book shop. And now everyone who is against fascism is a book burner?

It's like saying that all you far right leaning people are exactly identical to Timothy McVeigh. Which would be equally silly and ridiculous.

You are exactly the type of person that is embarrassing the left. And that's coming from an old school leftie!

Not everyone who is opposed to fascism is a "leftie". We're from all over the political spectrum.

To be clear it has nothing to do with agreeing with me or not, as I'm not putting forward an opinion on anti fascist, aside from the fact that they're mostly against fascism.

I'm done. Best of luck to you

Okay. Have a good evening.

Although did specifically point out that I don't think people who disagree are far right. See above.

'All you far right leaning people'

Dont EVER make the suggestion that I'm far right leaning!

How would you describe yourself?

I note you haven’t responded to this question."

Might want to re read the part where he already said he was an "Old School Leftie"..

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

An Arkansas man arrested after being photographed beating a uniformed policeman with an American flag said he thought he was beating a member of Antifa.

This happened at the invasion of the Capitol buildings in DC on Jan 6.

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