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"sadly no as over populated" Would u not consider renting an allotment? Maybe keep a goat for milk etc | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island." Thousands of tonnes of turnips are fed to sheep and pigs each winter. We could cut out the middle-animals and eat the turnips ourselves. We were self sufficient, mostly, prior to the industrial revolution. 1700-1900. We could live off root vegetables, legumes, etc. Very Labour intensive and it would be grim as fuck. But we could do it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Agricultural_Revolution | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Thousands of tonnes of turnips are fed to sheep and pigs each winter. We could cut out the middle-animals and eat the turnips ourselves. We were self sufficient, mostly, prior to the industrial revolution. 1700-1900. We could live off root vegetables, legumes, etc. Very Labour intensive and it would be grim as fuck. But we could do it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Agricultural_Revolution" With brexit it's going to be grim anyway so may be worth a shot.. | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Thousands of tonnes of turnips are fed to sheep and pigs each winter. We could cut out the middle-animals and eat the turnips ourselves. We were self sufficient, mostly, prior to the industrial revolution. 1700-1900. We could live off root vegetables, legumes, etc. Very Labour intensive and it would be grim as fuck. But we could do it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Agricultural_Revolution With brexit it's going to be grim anyway so may be worth a shot.." I like your spirit, this is more like the positive outlook I was looking for post Brexit, maybe the government can give us all a goat and some land to grow our own food, we don’t need any of that foreign muck . | |||
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"I’ve already provided the facts on this last week, yes we could easily feed ourselves, and we could also get loads of luxuries in from other parts of the New British Empire as well." British Empire? 
Why did it take this country 9 years to stop rationing after WW2? | |||
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"I’ve already provided the facts on this last week, yes we could easily feed ourselves, and we could also get loads of luxuries in from other parts of the New British Empire as well. British Empire?
Why did it take this country 9 years to stop rationing after WW2? "Antiquated farming practices mainly | |||
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Why did it take this country 9 years to stop rationing after WW2?
Antiquated farming practices mainly"And we were the last country to end rationing, maybe we needed some of those high rise green houses that you told us about . | |||
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"I’ve already provided the facts on this last week, yes we could easily feed ourselves, and we could also get loads of luxuries in from other parts of the New British Empire as well." What like soap ? | |||
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"I’ve already provided the facts on this last week, yes we could easily feed ourselves, and we could also get loads of luxuries in from other parts of the New British Empire as well." Sorry, what? | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island." Are we a civilised first world country that appreciates the diverse choice of food and veg that is available to us 52 weeks of the year? Or are we a country that wants to regress to a society that consumes solely its own seasonal produce? My wife is Russian, she can help with by advice on storing and pickling out of season produce lol | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Thousands of tonnes of turnips are fed to sheep and pigs each winter. We could cut out the middle-animals and eat the turnips ourselves.could you fuck you laxy clowns We were self sufficient, mostly, prior to the industrial revolution. 1700-1900. We could live off root vegetables, legumes, etc. Very Labour intensive and it would be grim as fuck. But we could do it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Agricultural_Revolution" | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Thousands of tonnes of turnips are fed to sheep and pigs each winter. We could cut out the middle-animals and eat the turnips ourselves.could you fuck you laxy clowns We were self sufficient, mostly, prior to the industrial revolution. 1700-1900. We could live off root vegetables, legumes, etc. Very Labour intensive and it would be grim as fuck. But we could do it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Agricultural_Revolution" could you fuck you lazy bastards, everything in your world grows on supermarket shelf, the eastern European workers fed ye, the Irish have built every part of your infrastructure while the English clowns sit in the front of their social houses and drink supermarket shite beer,you guys have a great future behind ye | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Thousands of tonnes of turnips are fed to sheep and pigs each winter. We could cut out the middle-animals and eat the turnips ourselves.could you fuck you laxy clowns We were self sufficient, mostly, prior to the industrial revolution. 1700-1900. We could live off root vegetables, legumes, etc. Very Labour intensive and it would be grim as fuck. But we could do it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Agricultural_Revolutioncould you fuck you lazy bastards, everything in your world grows on supermarket shelf, the eastern European workers fed ye, the Irish have built every part of your infrastructure while the English clowns sit in the front of their social houses and drink supermarket shite beer,you guys have a great future behind ye" Now now I'll let you know some of the more sophisticated brexiteers are now drinking wine from Kent. As brexit starts to bite over the next few years I see no reason why we couldn't survive on good nutritious british food like.....I'll be back. | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Thousands of tonnes of turnips are fed to sheep and pigs each winter. We could cut out the middle-animals and eat the turnips ourselves.could you fuck you laxy clowns We were self sufficient, mostly, prior to the industrial revolution. 1700-1900. We could live off root vegetables, legumes, etc. Very Labour intensive and it would be grim as fuck. But we could do it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Agricultural_Revolutioncould you fuck you lazy bastards, everything in your world grows on supermarket shelf, the eastern European workers fed ye, the Irish have built every part of your infrastructure while the English clowns sit in the front of their social houses and drink supermarket shite beer,you guys have a great future behind ye" I take it you're not fond of the English. | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Thousands of tonnes of turnips are fed to sheep and pigs each winter. We could cut out the middle-animals and eat the turnips ourselves.could you fuck you laxy clowns We were self sufficient, mostly, prior to the industrial revolution. 1700-1900. We could live off root vegetables, legumes, etc. Very Labour intensive and it would be grim as fuck. But we could do it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Agricultural_Revolutioncould you fuck you lazy bastards, everything in your world grows on supermarket shelf, the eastern European workers fed ye, the Irish have built every part of your infrastructure while the English clowns sit in the front of their social houses and drink supermarket shite beer,you guys have a great future behind ye I take it you're not fond of the English. "We'll show those euro foreigners how it's done. what's wrong with spam anyway if it was good enough for our forefathers it's good enough for us...viva brexit. | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Thousands of tonnes of turnips are fed to sheep and pigs each winter. We could cut out the middle-animals and eat the turnips ourselves.could you fuck you laxy clowns We were self sufficient, mostly, prior to the industrial revolution. 1700-1900. We could live off root vegetables, legumes, etc. Very Labour intensive and it would be grim as fuck. But we could do it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Agricultural_Revolutioncould you fuck you lazy bastards, everything in your world grows on supermarket shelf, the eastern European workers fed ye, the Irish have built every part of your infrastructure while the English clowns sit in the front of their social houses and drink supermarket shite beer,you guys have a great future behind ye I take it you're not fond of the English.
We'll show those euro foreigners how it's done. what's wrong with spam anyway if it was good enough for our forefathers it's good enough for us...viva brexit."You had a good opportunity to get your catch phrase in and missed it  | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Thousands of tonnes of turnips are fed to sheep and pigs each winter. We could cut out the middle-animals and eat the turnips ourselves.could you fuck you laxy clowns We were self sufficient, mostly, prior to the industrial revolution. 1700-1900. We could live off root vegetables, legumes, etc. Very Labour intensive and it would be grim as fuck. But we could do it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Agricultural_Revolutioncould you fuck you lazy bastards, everything in your world grows on supermarket shelf, the eastern European workers fed ye, the Irish have built every part of your infrastructure while the English clowns sit in the front of their social houses and drink supermarket shite beer,you guys have a great future behind ye I take it you're not fond of the English.
We'll show those euro foreigners how it's done. what's wrong with spam anyway if it was good enough for our forefathers it's good enough for us...viva brexit.You had a good opportunity to get your catch phrase in and missed it "Dont worry theres going to be many many more times. | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Thousands of tonnes of turnips are fed to sheep and pigs each winter. We could cut out the middle-animals and eat the turnips ourselves.could you fuck you laxy clowns We were self sufficient, mostly, prior to the industrial revolution. 1700-1900. We could live off root vegetables, legumes, etc. Very Labour intensive and it would be grim as fuck. But we could do it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Agricultural_Revolutioncould you fuck you lazy bastards, everything in your world grows on supermarket shelf, the eastern European workers fed ye, the Irish have built every part of your infrastructure while the English clowns sit in the front of their social houses and drink supermarket shite beer,you guys have a great future behind ye I take it you're not fond of the English.
We'll show those euro foreigners how it's done. what's wrong with spam anyway if it was good enough for our forefathers it's good enough for us...viva brexit.You had a good opportunity to get your catch phrase in and missed it
Dont worry theres going to be many many more times."Im sure there will. | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Are we a civilised first world country that appreciates the diverse choice of food and veg that is available to us 52 weeks of the year? Or are we a country that wants to regress to a society that consumes solely its own seasonal produce? My wife is Russian, she can help with by advice on storing and pickling out of season produce lol" Well she’d have to go, replaced by a wife of British origin. | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Are we a civilised first world country that appreciates the diverse choice of food and veg that is available to us 52 weeks of the year? Or are we a country that wants to regress to a society that consumes solely its own seasonal produce? My wife is Russian, she can help with by advice on storing and pickling out of season produce lol Well she’d have to go, replaced by a wife of British origin. " Excellent point, why marry gorgeous women from russia and Poland when theres tracey from liverpool with the beer belly. Brexit getting back our real identity. | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Are we a civilised first world country that appreciates the diverse choice of food and veg that is available to us 52 weeks of the year? Or are we a country that wants to regress to a society that consumes solely its own seasonal produce? My wife is Russian, she can help with by advice on storing and pickling out of season produce lol Well she’d have to go, replaced by a wife of British origin. Excellent point, why marry gorgeous women from russia and Poland when theres tracey from liverpool with the beer belly. Brexit getting back our real identity. " What a charmer | |||
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"I’m thinking of starting a banana plantation in Northumberland or even growing Coconuts in the West Midlands who wants to invest in this great business idea to make this self sufficient... "You need some of those stacking greenhouses that I have heard about, they are the future of farming | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Are we a civilised first world country that appreciates the diverse choice of food and veg that is available to us 52 weeks of the year? Or are we a country that wants to regress to a society that consumes solely its own seasonal produce? My wife is Russian, she can help with by advice on storing and pickling out of season produce lol" suppose it could be done but the want just isn’t there | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Are we a civilised first world country that appreciates the diverse choice of food and veg that is available to us 52 weeks of the year? Or are we a country that wants to regress to a society that consumes solely its own seasonal produce? My wife is Russian, she can help with by advice on storing and pickling out of season produce lol Well she’d have to go, replaced by a wife of British origin. Excellent point, why marry gorgeous women from russia and Poland when theres tracey from liverpool with the beer belly. Brexit getting back our real identity. " so all Russian and polish women are beutifull and fit and the British women have beer belly’s then eh ? does that include yr wife /mother /daughter /sister aswell lol | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Are we a civilised first world country that appreciates the diverse choice of food and veg that is available to us 52 weeks of the year? Or are we a country that wants to regress to a society that consumes solely its own seasonal produce? My wife is Russian, she can help with by advice on storing and pickling out of season produce lol Well she’d have to go, replaced by a wife of British origin. Excellent point, why marry gorgeous women from russia and Poland when theres tracey from liverpool with the beer belly. Brexit getting back our real identity. " With a polarized view such as yours im not surprised you are a remainer and they accused leavers of being xenophobic.  | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Are we a civilised first world country that appreciates the diverse choice of food and veg that is available to us 52 weeks of the year? Or are we a country that wants to regress to a society that consumes solely its own seasonal produce? My wife is Russian, she can help with by advice on storing and pickling out of season produce lol Well she’d have to go, replaced by a wife of British origin. Excellent point, why marry gorgeous women from russia and Poland when theres tracey from liverpool with the beer belly. Brexit getting back our real identity. With a polarized view such as yours im not surprised you are a remainer and they accused leavers of being xenophobic. "he loves everyone except his own what a fella lol | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Are we a civilised first world country that appreciates the diverse choice of food and veg that is available to us 52 weeks of the year? Or are we a country that wants to regress to a society that consumes solely its own seasonal produce? My wife is Russian, she can help with by advice on storing and pickling out of season produce lol Well she’d have to go, replaced by a wife of British origin. Excellent point, why marry gorgeous women from russia and Poland when theres tracey from liverpool with the beer belly. Brexit getting back our real identity. so all Russian and polish women are beutifull and fit and the British women have beer belly’s then eh ? does that include yr wife /mother /daughter /sister aswell lol" Well my sisters all have tattoos and are body builders, the ex wife had a ring through her nose so less said about that the better, my first daughter is gorgeous but her mother was from the Czech republic. | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Are we a civilised first world country that appreciates the diverse choice of food and veg that is available to us 52 weeks of the year? Or are we a country that wants to regress to a society that consumes solely its own seasonal produce? My wife is Russian, she can help with by advice on storing and pickling out of season produce lol Well she’d have to go, replaced by a wife of British origin. Excellent point, why marry gorgeous women from russia and Poland when theres tracey from liverpool with the beer belly. Brexit getting back our real identity. so all Russian and polish women are beutifull and fit and the British women have beer belly’s then eh ? does that include yr wife /mother /daughter /sister aswell lol Well my sisters all have tattoos and are body builders, the ex wife had a ring through her nose so less said about that the better, my first daughter is gorgeous but her mother was from the Czech republic. " well atleast she looks nowt like her dad eh | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Are we a civilised first world country that appreciates the diverse choice of food and veg that is available to us 52 weeks of the year? Or are we a country that wants to regress to a society that consumes solely its own seasonal produce? My wife is Russian, she can help with by advice on storing and pickling out of season produce lol Well she’d have to go, replaced by a wife of British origin. Excellent point, why marry gorgeous women from russia and Poland when theres tracey from liverpool with the beer belly. Brexit getting back our real identity. so all Russian and polish women are beutifull and fit and the British women have beer belly’s then eh ? does that include yr wife /mother /daughter /sister aswell lol Well my sisters all have tattoos and are body builders, the ex wife had a ring through her nose so less said about that the better, my first daughter is gorgeous but her mother was from the Czech republic. well atleast she looks nowt like her dad eh " Turnips to unattractive swingers in 33 replies. | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Are we a civilised first world country that appreciates the diverse choice of food and veg that is available to us 52 weeks of the year? Or are we a country that wants to regress to a society that consumes solely its own seasonal produce? My wife is Russian, she can help with by advice on storing and pickling out of season produce lol Well she’d have to go, replaced by a wife of British origin. Excellent point, why marry gorgeous women from russia and Poland when theres tracey from liverpool with the beer belly. Brexit getting back our real identity. so all Russian and polish women are beutifull and fit and the British women have beer belly’s then eh ? does that include yr wife /mother /daughter /sister aswell lol Well my sisters all have tattoos and are body builders, the ex wife had a ring through her nose so less said about that the better, my first daughter is gorgeous but her mother was from the Czech republic. " And? | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Are we a civilised first world country that appreciates the diverse choice of food and veg that is available to us 52 weeks of the year? Or are we a country that wants to regress to a society that consumes solely its own seasonal produce? My wife is Russian, she can help with by advice on storing and pickling out of season produce lol Well she’d have to go, replaced by a wife of British origin. Excellent point, why marry gorgeous women from russia and Poland when theres tracey from liverpool with the beer belly. Brexit getting back our real identity. so all Russian and polish women are beutifull and fit and the British women have beer belly’s then eh ? does that include yr wife /mother /daughter /sister aswell lol Well my sisters all have tattoos and are body builders, the ex wife had a ring through her nose so less said about that the better, my first daughter is gorgeous but her mother was from the Czech republic. And?" his second daughter must be a proper blossom then | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Are we a civilised first world country that appreciates the diverse choice of food and veg that is available to us 52 weeks of the year? Or are we a country that wants to regress to a society that consumes solely its own seasonal produce? My wife is Russian, she can help with by advice on storing and pickling out of season produce lol Well she’d have to go, replaced by a wife of British origin. Excellent point, why marry gorgeous women from russia and Poland when theres tracey from liverpool with the beer belly. Brexit getting back our real identity. so all Russian and polish women are beutifull and fit and the British women have beer belly’s then eh ? does that include yr wife /mother /daughter /sister aswell lol Well my sisters all have tattoos and are body builders, the ex wife had a ring through her nose so less said about that the better, my first daughter is gorgeous but her mother was from the Czech republic. And?his second daughter must be a proper blossom then " makes me wonder why you would exchange a "gorgeous czech for a woman with a ring through her nose,it says to me that he has made wrong choices all through his life. | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Are we a civilised first world country that appreciates the diverse choice of food and veg that is available to us 52 weeks of the year? Or are we a country that wants to regress to a society that consumes solely its own seasonal produce? My wife is Russian, she can help with by advice on storing and pickling out of season produce lol Well she’d have to go, replaced by a wife of British origin. Excellent point, why marry gorgeous women from russia and Poland when theres tracey from liverpool with the beer belly. Brexit getting back our real identity. so all Russian and polish women are beutifull and fit and the British women have beer belly’s then eh ? does that include yr wife /mother /daughter /sister aswell lol Well my sisters all have tattoos and are body builders, the ex wife had a ring through her nose so less said about that the better, my first daughter is gorgeous but her mother was from the Czech republic. And?his second daughter must be a proper blossom then makes me wonder why you would exchange a "gorgeous czech for a woman with a ring through her nose,it says to me that he has made wrong choices all through his life. "I doubt if it was his choice mate don’t think it was him doing tne exchanging | |||
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"It's not a content heavy thread is it? Anyway Yes we can be self sufficient. " Horizontal farms?  | |||
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"It's not a content heavy thread is it? Anyway Yes we can be self sufficient. " Yes we can, but I dont fancy eating potatoes , grass and cardboard every day | |||
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"I know we like to make fun of the brexit fiasco but I wonder could we really be self sufficient as an island. Thousands of tonnes of turnips are fed to sheep and pigs each winter. We could cut out the middle-animals and eat the turnips ourselves. We were self sufficient, mostly, prior to the industrial revolution. 1700-1900. We could live off root vegetables, legumes, etc. Very Labour intensive and it would be grim as fuck. But we could do it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Agricultural_Revolution" Pretty unlikely at the population in 1700 was 10% of todays, and of course many of them were agricultural labourers - its a bit like fishing, we don’t have a lot of experience any more. We could do a lot more and should, but this is generational in terms of a change, at the very least. | |||
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"I look forward to us being able to grow a full range of tropical fruits here in a way that is cheaper and more efficient and also greener than in places where they grow naturally "Don't fancy a bowl of turnips with a dollop of ice-cream on the top? In all seriousness though. The "Buy British for brexit" social media pages are full to the brim of outstanding confusion. | |||
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" its a bit like fishing, we don’t have a lot of experience any more. We could do a lot more and should, but this is generational in terms of a change, at the very least." Or fish considering the collapse in fish stocks. | |||
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"It's not a content heavy thread is it? Anyway Yes we can be self sufficient. " No, we cannot be self sufficient. We can be largely self reliant on basic staples such as root veg, beef, lamb, pork, etc. Salad items less so. Fruit limited to mainly apples and pears (wont the cockneys love that). Wheat based food either bread OR pasta, and limited at that. Anyway....why be self sufficient? We get our food from all over the world, a big plus now trade barriers have been removed...yes? | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. " it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate " Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ? | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?" ye get an an allotment and keep chickens | |||
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"It's not a content heavy thread is it? Anyway Yes we can be self sufficient. No, we cannot be self sufficient. We can be largely self reliant on basic staples such as root veg, beef, lamb, pork, etc. Salad items less so. Fruit limited to mainly apples and pears (wont the cockneys love that). Wheat based food either bread OR pasta, and limited at that. Anyway....why be self sufficient? We get our food from all over the world, a big plus now trade barriers have been removed...yes? "Pasta we wont be producing from our wheat, we don't grow hardly any of the type of wheat pasta is made from. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?" Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. " Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? " One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries.  | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. "yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. "Blueberries are brought in on tourist flights | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol"Who said that? I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. "we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries.
Blueberries are brought in on tourist flights "Could we slip in some bananas on the over head lockers I wonder.. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take."I'm sure the pandemic hasn't affected flights at all or maybe it's a week or two by sea giving the fruit a more fruity flavour. That brexit pig again. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take."Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though."no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us. "A ship from South Africa. By a huge margin. Seeing as you're interested. Here's some info. https://www.dynamo.vc/blog-posts/the-environmental-impact-of-maritime-freight | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
A ship from South Africa. By a huge margin.
Seeing as you're interested. Here's some info.
https://www.dynamo.vc/blog-posts/the-environmental-impact-of-maritime-freight"Good to see they are doing something about it.How many truck loads of fruit and veg do they carry in one go and how have you worked out the emissions for them as to a ship? | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
A ship from South Africa. By a huge margin.
Seeing as you're interested. Here's some info.
https://www.dynamo.vc/blog-posts/the-environmental-impact-of-maritime-freight"UK can't be self sufficient no matter how you look at it the resources are not there to support the population. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
A ship from South Africa. By a huge margin.
Seeing as you're interested. Here's some info.
https://www.dynamo.vc/blog-posts/the-environmental-impact-of-maritime-freight"aslong as the ships called dignity I don’t care | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
A ship from South Africa. By a huge margin.
Seeing as you're interested. Here's some info.
https://www.dynamo.vc/blog-posts/the-environmental-impact-of-maritime-freightGood to see they are doing something about it.How many truck loads of fruit and veg do they carry in one go and how have you worked out the emissions for them as to a ship?"Why are you asking me? I suggest you contact the people who did the research for these answers. If your argument is that sticking fruit and veg on a slow, big arsed ship from South Africa, is less CO2 intensive than bringing it from our close neighbors. After reading the article I provided. Then this conversation is going to go nowhere fast. A bit like a carrot on a cargo ship in the Indian Ocean. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
A ship from South Africa. By a huge margin.
Seeing as you're interested. Here's some info.
https://www.dynamo.vc/blog-posts/the-environmental-impact-of-maritime-freightaslong as the ships called dignity I don’t care "The ship is called HMS Rotten Fruit. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
A ship from South Africa. By a huge margin.
Seeing as you're interested. Here's some info.
https://www.dynamo.vc/blog-posts/the-environmental-impact-of-maritime-freightaslong as the ships called dignity I don’t care "Which is more than can be said for brexit. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
A ship from South Africa. By a huge margin.
Seeing as you're interested. Here's some info.
https://www.dynamo.vc/blog-posts/the-environmental-impact-of-maritime-freightGood to see they are doing something about it.How many truck loads of fruit and veg do they carry in one go and how have you worked out the emissions for them as to a ship?
Why are you asking me? I suggest you contact the people who did the research for these answers.
If your argument is that sticking fruit and veg on a slow, big arsed ship from South Africa, is less CO2 intensive than bringing it from our close neighbors. After reading the article I provided. Then this conversation is going to go nowhere fast. A bit like a carrot on a cargo ship in the Indian Ocean. "Im not arguing im asking a question, i read the article and found it interesting and im glad they recognize that they need to do more.It still doesn't answer the question how many lorries does it take to carry the same amount as a ship and what emissions are both producing. i was asking you because you said the difference is huge to make that statement i presumed you actually knew. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
A ship from South Africa. By a huge margin.
Seeing as you're interested. Here's some info.
https://www.dynamo.vc/blog-posts/the-environmental-impact-of-maritime-freightGood to see they are doing something about it.How many truck loads of fruit and veg do they carry in one go and how have you worked out the emissions for them as to a ship?
Why are you asking me? I suggest you contact the people who did the research for these answers.
If your argument is that sticking fruit and veg on a slow, big arsed ship from South Africa, is less CO2 intensive than bringing it from our close neighbors. After reading the article I provided. Then this conversation is going to go nowhere fast. A bit like a carrot on a cargo ship in the Indian Ocean. Im not arguing im asking a question, i read the article and found it interesting and im glad they recognize that they need to do more.It still doesn't answer the question how many lorries does it take to carry the same amount as a ship and what emissions are both producing. i was asking you because you said the difference is huge to make that statement i presumed you actually knew. "I don't know the actual amounts. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us. "Most people like fresh fruit. Brexit might change our tastes I guess. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
A ship from South Africa. By a huge margin.
Seeing as you're interested. Here's some info.
https://www.dynamo.vc/blog-posts/the-environmental-impact-of-maritime-freightGood to see they are doing something about it.How many truck loads of fruit and veg do they carry in one go and how have you worked out the emissions for them as to a ship?
Why are you asking me? I suggest you contact the people who did the research for these answers.
If your argument is that sticking fruit and veg on a slow, big arsed ship from South Africa, is less CO2 intensive than bringing it from our close neighbors. After reading the article I provided. Then this conversation is going to go nowhere fast. A bit like a carrot on a cargo ship in the Indian Ocean. Im not arguing im asking a question, i read the article and found it interesting and im glad they recognize that they need to do more.It still doesn't answer the question how many lorries does it take to carry the same amount as a ship and what emissions are both producing. i was asking you because you said the difference is huge to make that statement i presumed you actually knew.
I don't know the actual amounts.
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
A ship from South Africa. By a huge margin.
Seeing as you're interested. Here's some info.
https://www.dynamo.vc/blog-posts/the-environmental-impact-of-maritime-freightGood to see they are doing something about it.How many truck loads of fruit and veg do they carry in one go and how have you worked out the emissions for them as to a ship?
Why are you asking me? I suggest you contact the people who did the research for these answers.
If your argument is that sticking fruit and veg on a slow, big arsed ship from South Africa, is less CO2 intensive than bringing it from our close neighbors. After reading the article I provided. Then this conversation is going to go nowhere fast. A bit like a carrot on a cargo ship in the Indian Ocean. Im not arguing im asking a question, i read the article and found it interesting and im glad they recognize that they need to do more.It still doesn't answer the question how many lorries does it take to carry the same amount as a ship and what emissions are both producing. i was asking you because you said the difference is huge to make that statement i presumed you actually knew.
I don't know the actual amounts.
"I don't think I can link a pdf report. But the IPCC has a 70 odd page report which looks at different shipping types and their CO2 emissions. If you search "IPCC cargo shipping co2" you'll get it. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
A ship from South Africa. By a huge margin.
Seeing as you're interested. Here's some info.
https://www.dynamo.vc/blog-posts/the-environmental-impact-of-maritime-freightGood to see they are doing something about it.How many truck loads of fruit and veg do they carry in one go and how have you worked out the emissions for them as to a ship?
Why are you asking me? I suggest you contact the people who did the research for these answers.
If your argument is that sticking fruit and veg on a slow, big arsed ship from South Africa, is less CO2 intensive than bringing it from our close neighbors. After reading the article I provided. Then this conversation is going to go nowhere fast. A bit like a carrot on a cargo ship in the Indian Ocean. Im not arguing im asking a question, i read the article and found it interesting and im glad they recognize that they need to do more.It still doesn't answer the question how many lorries does it take to carry the same amount as a ship and what emissions are both producing. i was asking you because you said the difference is huge to make that statement i presumed you actually knew.
I don't know the actual amounts.
I don't think I can link a pdf report. But the IPCC has a 70 odd page report which looks at different shipping types and their CO2 emissions.
If you search "IPCC cargo shipping co2" you'll get it."Not unless i know how many truck loads they carry and can compare it to average truck emissions thats why i was looking for someone who knows these things. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
A ship from South Africa. By a huge margin.
Seeing as you're interested. Here's some info.
https://www.dynamo.vc/blog-posts/the-environmental-impact-of-maritime-freightGood to see they are doing something about it.How many truck loads of fruit and veg do they carry in one go and how have you worked out the emissions for them as to a ship?
Why are you asking me? I suggest you contact the people who did the research for these answers.
If your argument is that sticking fruit and veg on a slow, big arsed ship from South Africa, is less CO2 intensive than bringing it from our close neighbors. After reading the article I provided. Then this conversation is going to go nowhere fast. A bit like a carrot on a cargo ship in the Indian Ocean. Im not arguing im asking a question, i read the article and found it interesting and im glad they recognize that they need to do more.It still doesn't answer the question how many lorries does it take to carry the same amount as a ship and what emissions are both producing. i was asking you because you said the difference is huge to make that statement i presumed you actually knew.
I don't know the actual amounts.
I don't think I can link a pdf report. But the IPCC has a 70 odd page report which looks at different shipping types and their CO2 emissions.
If you search "IPCC cargo shipping co2" you'll get it.Not unless i know how many truck loads they carry and can compare it to average truck emissions thats why i was looking for someone who knows these things."I'd suggest that you'll be unlikely to find anyone who will have done this extremely specific piece of research. However you're a sharp guy, you can still deduce the general difference in the fuel efficiency of a big arsed boat coming all the way from South Africa to a truck coming from the south of france. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
A ship from South Africa. By a huge margin.
Seeing as you're interested. Here's some info.
https://www.dynamo.vc/blog-posts/the-environmental-impact-of-maritime-freightGood to see they are doing something about it.How many truck loads of fruit and veg do they carry in one go and how have you worked out the emissions for them as to a ship?
Why are you asking me? I suggest you contact the people who did the research for these answers.
If your argument is that sticking fruit and veg on a slow, big arsed ship from South Africa, is less CO2 intensive than bringing it from our close neighbors. After reading the article I provided. Then this conversation is going to go nowhere fast. A bit like a carrot on a cargo ship in the Indian Ocean. Im not arguing im asking a question, i read the article and found it interesting and im glad they recognize that they need to do more.It still doesn't answer the question how many lorries does it take to carry the same amount as a ship and what emissions are both producing. i was asking you because you said the difference is huge to make that statement i presumed you actually knew.
I don't know the actual amounts.
I don't think I can link a pdf report. But the IPCC has a 70 odd page report which looks at different shipping types and their CO2 emissions.
If you search "IPCC cargo shipping co2" you'll get it.Not unless i know how many truck loads they carry and can compare it to average truck emissions thats why i was looking for someone who knows these things.
I'd suggest that you'll be unlikely to find anyone who will have done this extremely specific piece of research.
However you're a sharp guy, you can still deduce the general difference in the fuel efficiency of a big arsed boat coming all the way from South Africa to a truck coming from the south of france.
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
Most people like fresh fruit. Brexit might change our tastes I guess."You need to do a bit of research if you think the food you have been eating from the eu is fresh. the only fresh stuff you will get is local farm shops. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
A ship from South Africa. By a huge margin.
Seeing as you're interested. Here's some info.
https://www.dynamo.vc/blog-posts/the-environmental-impact-of-maritime-freightGood to see they are doing something about it.How many truck loads of fruit and veg do they carry in one go and how have you worked out the emissions for them as to a ship?
Why are you asking me? I suggest you contact the people who did the research for these answers.
If your argument is that sticking fruit and veg on a slow, big arsed ship from South Africa, is less CO2 intensive than bringing it from our close neighbors. After reading the article I provided. Then this conversation is going to go nowhere fast. A bit like a carrot on a cargo ship in the Indian Ocean. Im not arguing im asking a question, i read the article and found it interesting and im glad they recognize that they need to do more.It still doesn't answer the question how many lorries does it take to carry the same amount as a ship and what emissions are both producing. i was asking you because you said the difference is huge to make that statement i presumed you actually knew.
I don't know the actual amounts.
I don't think I can link a pdf report. But the IPCC has a 70 odd page report which looks at different shipping types and their CO2 emissions.
If you search "IPCC cargo shipping co2" you'll get it.Not unless i know how many truck loads they carry and can compare it to average truck emissions thats why i was looking for someone who knows these things.
I'd suggest that you'll be unlikely to find anyone who will have done this extremely specific piece of research.
However you're a sharp guy, you can still deduce the general difference in the fuel efficiency of a big arsed boat coming all the way from South Africa to a truck coming from the south of france.
but its not just one truck is it ? then it either goes through the tunnel or gets on a ship. "Righty-O | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
Most people like fresh fruit. Brexit might change our tastes I guess.You need to do a bit of research if you think the food you have been eating from the eu is fresh. the only fresh stuff you will get is local farm shops."Think you'll find it's a hell of a lot fresher than the very long sea journey from south africa  | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
Most people like fresh fruit. Brexit might change our tastes I guess.You need to do a bit of research if you think the food you have been eating from the eu is fresh. the only fresh stuff you will get is local farm shops.
Think you'll find it's a hell of a lot fresher than the very long sea journey from south africa "We can send airdrops put little parachutes on coconuts. 5 C5 galaxies loaded with coconuts. They get decent fuel mileage. That would be Epic. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
Most people like fresh fruit. Brexit might change our tastes I guess.You need to do a bit of research if you think the food you have been eating from the eu is fresh. the only fresh stuff you will get is local farm shops.
Think you'll find it's a hell of a lot fresher than the very long sea journey from south africa
We can send airdrops put little parachutes on coconuts. 5 C5 galaxies loaded with coconuts. They get decent fuel mileage. That would be Epic."Can we have some mangoes, some potatoes and a bag of Doritos too please? | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
Most people like fresh fruit. Brexit might change our tastes I guess.You need to do a bit of research if you think the food you have been eating from the eu is fresh. the only fresh stuff you will get is local farm shops.
Think you'll find it's a hell of a lot fresher than the very long sea journey from south africa
We can send airdrops put little parachutes on coconuts. 5 C5 galaxies loaded with coconuts. They get decent fuel mileage. That would be Epic.
Can we have some mangoes, some potatoes and a bag of Doritos too please?"You get the special treatment. Doritos delivery but a F-35. Got to keep it low profile as to not alert other doritos fanatics. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
A ship from South Africa. By a huge margin.
Seeing as you're interested. Here's some info.
https://www.dynamo.vc/blog-posts/the-environmental-impact-of-maritime-freightGood to see they are doing something about it.How many truck loads of fruit and veg do they carry in one go and how have you worked out the emissions for them as to a ship?
Why are you asking me? I suggest you contact the people who did the research for these answers.
If your argument is that sticking fruit and veg on a slow, big arsed ship from South Africa, is less CO2 intensive than bringing it from our close neighbors. After reading the article I provided. Then this conversation is going to go nowhere fast. A bit like a carrot on a cargo ship in the Indian Ocean. Im not arguing im asking a question, i read the article and found it interesting and im glad they recognize that they need to do more.It still doesn't answer the question how many lorries does it take to carry the same amount as a ship and what emissions are both producing. i was asking you because you said the difference is huge to make that statement i presumed you actually knew.
I don't know the actual amounts.
I don't think I can link a pdf report. But the IPCC has a 70 odd page report which looks at different shipping types and their CO2 emissions.
If you search "IPCC cargo shipping co2" you'll get it.Not unless i know how many truck loads they carry and can compare it to average truck emissions thats why i was looking for someone who knows these things."You won’t be getting any figures out of the usual remainer suspects on this thread, they don’t like reading actual reports. Anyone run short of kiwi fruit yet? Nope? Be sure to let us know the moment your supply of out of season gooseberries is interrupted. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
A ship from South Africa. By a huge margin.
Seeing as you're interested. Here's some info.
https://www.dynamo.vc/blog-posts/the-environmental-impact-of-maritime-freightGood to see they are doing something about it.How many truck loads of fruit and veg do they carry in one go and how have you worked out the emissions for them as to a ship?
Why are you asking me? I suggest you contact the people who did the research for these answers.
If your argument is that sticking fruit and veg on a slow, big arsed ship from South Africa, is less CO2 intensive than bringing it from our close neighbors. After reading the article I provided. Then this conversation is going to go nowhere fast. A bit like a carrot on a cargo ship in the Indian Ocean. Im not arguing im asking a question, i read the article and found it interesting and im glad they recognize that they need to do more.It still doesn't answer the question how many lorries does it take to carry the same amount as a ship and what emissions are both producing. i was asking you because you said the difference is huge to make that statement i presumed you actually knew.
I don't know the actual amounts.
I don't think I can link a pdf report. But the IPCC has a 70 odd page report which looks at different shipping types and their CO2 emissions.
If you search "IPCC cargo shipping co2" you'll get it.Not unless i know how many truck loads they carry and can compare it to average truck emissions thats why i was looking for someone who knows these things.
You won’t be getting any figures out of the usual remainer suspects on this thread, they don’t like reading actual reports.
Anyone run short of kiwi fruit yet? Nope? Be sure to let us know the moment your supply of out of season gooseberries is interrupted. "This is a bizarre statement. Are you suggesting that leavers are interested in climate change? Why would it be a remainer who you'd expect to have information about CO2 emissions from nautical cargo shipping? But rude innit. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
A ship from South Africa. By a huge margin.
Seeing as you're interested. Here's some info.
https://www.dynamo.vc/blog-posts/the-environmental-impact-of-maritime-freightGood to see they are doing something about it.How many truck loads of fruit and veg do they carry in one go and how have you worked out the emissions for them as to a ship?
Why are you asking me? I suggest you contact the people who did the research for these answers.
If your argument is that sticking fruit and veg on a slow, big arsed ship from South Africa, is less CO2 intensive than bringing it from our close neighbors. After reading the article I provided. Then this conversation is going to go nowhere fast. A bit like a carrot on a cargo ship in the Indian Ocean. Im not arguing im asking a question, i read the article and found it interesting and im glad they recognize that they need to do more.It still doesn't answer the question how many lorries does it take to carry the same amount as a ship and what emissions are both producing. i was asking you because you said the difference is huge to make that statement i presumed you actually knew.
I don't know the actual amounts.
I don't think I can link a pdf report. But the IPCC has a 70 odd page report which looks at different shipping types and their CO2 emissions.
If you search "IPCC cargo shipping co2" you'll get it.Not unless i know how many truck loads they carry and can compare it to average truck emissions thats why i was looking for someone who knows these things.
You won’t be getting any figures out of the usual remainer suspects on this thread, they don’t like reading actual reports.
Anyone run short of kiwi fruit yet? Nope? Be sure to let us know the moment your supply of out of season gooseberries is interrupted.
This is a bizarre statement. Are you suggesting that leavers are interested in climate change?
Why would it be a remainer who you'd expect to have information about CO2 emissions from nautical cargo shipping?
But rude innit."You raised the shipping CO2 emissions report.... did you read it yourself? (apologies if it was the other one who raised it I can’t scroll through all that again to check) | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. we imported 5% of fruit and veg when we were in the eu from S Africa so cant see a problem with increasing that.The supermarkets are not stupid whatever is the easiest for the biggest profit is the route they will take.
Extra food miles, more CO2 emissions and higher priced fruit and veg doesn't sound like much of a win though.no it doesn't but im not sure which produces the most emissions are you ?. A ship full of fruit and veg would be equivalent to how many lorries crossing europe to get to the uk?.Im sure there will be some expert on here to tell us.
A ship from South Africa. By a huge margin.
Seeing as you're interested. Here's some info.
https://www.dynamo.vc/blog-posts/the-environmental-impact-of-maritime-freightGood to see they are doing something about it.How many truck loads of fruit and veg do they carry in one go and how have you worked out the emissions for them as to a ship?
Why are you asking me? I suggest you contact the people who did the research for these answers.
If your argument is that sticking fruit and veg on a slow, big arsed ship from South Africa, is less CO2 intensive than bringing it from our close neighbors. After reading the article I provided. Then this conversation is going to go nowhere fast. A bit like a carrot on a cargo ship in the Indian Ocean. Im not arguing im asking a question, i read the article and found it interesting and im glad they recognize that they need to do more.It still doesn't answer the question how many lorries does it take to carry the same amount as a ship and what emissions are both producing. i was asking you because you said the difference is huge to make that statement i presumed you actually knew.
I don't know the actual amounts.
I don't think I can link a pdf report. But the IPCC has a 70 odd page report which looks at different shipping types and their CO2 emissions.
If you search "IPCC cargo shipping co2" you'll get it.Not unless i know how many truck loads they carry and can compare it to average truck emissions thats why i was looking for someone who knows these things.
You won’t be getting any figures out of the usual remainer suspects on this thread, they don’t like reading actual reports.
Anyone run short of kiwi fruit yet? Nope? Be sure to let us know the moment your supply of out of season gooseberries is interrupted.
This is a bizarre statement. Are you suggesting that leavers are interested in climate change?
Why would it be a remainer who you'd expect to have information about CO2 emissions from nautical cargo shipping?
But rude innit.
You raised the shipping CO2 emissions report.... did you read it yourself? (apologies if it was the other one who raised it I can’t scroll through all that again to check)
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"I think the CO2 comparison you’re groping for is this sort of thing: “The following table shows the amount of CO2 (in grams) emitted per metric ton of freight and per km of transportation: Air plane (air cargo), average Cargo B747 500 g Modern lorry or truck 60 to 150 g Modern train 30 to 100 g Modern ship (sea freight) 10 to 40 g” In other words a ship can travel 3 to 6 times as far for unit weight of cargo to emit the same CO2 as a truck. South Africa to UK shipping is 6000 miles. Madrid to UK road distance is just over a thousand miles. So very roughly comparable emissions. Interesting. "As usual chris gets half the story. Not allowing for the many thousands of miles of road journeys before the south africa ship gets filled and starts it's long journey
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"I think the CO2 comparison you’re groping for is this sort of thing: “The following table shows the amount of CO2 (in grams) emitted per metric ton of freight and per km of transportation: Air plane (air cargo), average Cargo B747 500 g Modern lorry or truck 60 to 150 g Modern train 30 to 100 g Modern ship (sea freight) 10 to 40 g” In other words a ship can travel 3 to 6 times as far for unit weight of cargo to emit the same CO2 as a truck. South Africa to UK shipping is 6000 miles. Madrid to UK road distance is just over a thousand miles. So very roughly comparable emissions. Interesting. "Do these figures include refrigeration? They aren’t very specific , 10 to 40, 30 to 100, 60 to 150? | |||
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"I think the CO2 comparison you’re groping for is this sort of thing: “The following table shows the amount of CO2 (in grams) emitted per metric ton of freight and per km of transportation: Air plane (air cargo), average Cargo B747 500 g Modern lorry or truck 60 to 150 g Modern train 30 to 100 g Modern ship (sea freight) 10 to 40 g” In other words a ship can travel 3 to 6 times as far for unit weight of cargo to emit the same CO2 as a truck. South Africa to UK shipping is 6000 miles. Madrid to UK road distance is just over a thousand miles. So very roughly comparable emissions. Interesting.
Do these figures include refrigeration? They aren’t very specific , 10 to 40, 30 to 100, 60 to 150? "South Africa to UK is 8300 miles for maritime shipping. Although this data is interesting. Where does it come from, so we can read about it? | |||
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"I think the CO2 comparison you’re groping for is this sort of thing: “The following table shows the amount of CO2 (in grams) emitted per metric ton of freight and per km of transportation: Air plane (air cargo), average Cargo B747 500 g Modern lorry or truck 60 to 150 g Modern train 30 to 100 g Modern ship (sea freight) 10 to 40 g” In other words a ship can travel 3 to 6 times as far for unit weight of cargo to emit the same CO2 as a truck. South Africa to UK shipping is 6000 miles. Madrid to UK road distance is just over a thousand miles. So very roughly comparable emissions. Interesting.
As usual chris gets half the story. Not allowing for the many thousands of miles of road journeys before the south africa ship gets filled and starts it's long journey
Or maybe he thinks the fruit grows on the dock ? "Seeing as South Africa is less than a thousand miles North to South, and most fruit is grown in the Eastern Cape within 100 miles of Port Elizabeth, your assumptions are as usual wildly inaccurate. Surely you can do better than that? Tell me that's not all you've got? | |||
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"I think the CO2 comparison you’re groping for is this sort of thing: “The following table shows the amount of CO2 (in grams) emitted per metric ton of freight and per km of transportation: Air plane (air cargo), average Cargo B747 500 g Modern lorry or truck 60 to 150 g Modern train 30 to 100 g Modern ship (sea freight) 10 to 40 g” In other words a ship can travel 3 to 6 times as far for unit weight of cargo to emit the same CO2 as a truck. South Africa to UK shipping is 6000 miles. Madrid to UK road distance is just over a thousand miles. So very roughly comparable emissions. Interesting.
Do these figures include refrigeration? They aren’t very specific , 10 to 40, 30 to 100, 60 to 150?
South Africa to UK is 8300 miles for maritime shipping.
Although this data is interesting. Where does it come from, so we can read about it?
"Using the figures provided that gives a range of 83000g to 332000g of CO2 emissions . Vague | |||
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"I think the CO2 comparison you’re groping for is this sort of thing: “The following table shows the amount of CO2 (in grams) emitted per metric ton of freight and per km of transportation: Air plane (air cargo), average Cargo B747 500 g Modern lorry or truck 60 to 150 g Modern train 30 to 100 g Modern ship (sea freight) 10 to 40 g” In other words a ship can travel 3 to 6 times as far for unit weight of cargo to emit the same CO2 as a truck. South Africa to UK shipping is 6000 miles. Madrid to UK road distance is just over a thousand miles. So very roughly comparable emissions. Interesting.
Do these figures include refrigeration? They aren’t very specific , 10 to 40, 30 to 100, 60 to 150?
South Africa to UK is 8300 miles for maritime shipping.
Although this data is interesting. Where does it come from, so we can read about it?
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"I think the CO2 comparison you’re groping for is this sort of thing: “The following table shows the amount of CO2 (in grams) emitted per metric ton of freight and per km of transportation: Air plane (air cargo), average Cargo B747 500 g Modern lorry or truck 60 to 150 g Modern train 30 to 100 g Modern ship (sea freight) 10 to 40 g” In other words a ship can travel 3 to 6 times as far for unit weight of cargo to emit the same CO2 as a truck. South Africa to UK shipping is 6000 miles. Madrid to UK road distance is just over a thousand miles. So very roughly comparable emissions. Interesting.
Do these figures include refrigeration? They aren’t very specific , 10 to 40, 30 to 100, 60 to 150?
South Africa to UK is 8300 miles for maritime shipping.
Although this data is interesting. Where does it come from, so we can read about it?
That is from "time for change" website and green campaign, interesting read. "Interestingly vague | |||
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"I think the CO2 comparison you’re groping for is this sort of thing: “The following table shows the amount of CO2 (in grams) emitted per metric ton of freight and per km of transportation: Air plane (air cargo), average Cargo B747 500 g Modern lorry or truck 60 to 150 g Modern train 30 to 100 g Modern ship (sea freight) 10 to 40 g” In other words a ship can travel 3 to 6 times as far for unit weight of cargo to emit the same CO2 as a truck. South Africa to UK shipping is 6000 miles. Madrid to UK road distance is just over a thousand miles. So very roughly comparable emissions. Interesting.
Do these figures include refrigeration? They aren’t very specific , 10 to 40, 30 to 100, 60 to 150?
South Africa to UK is 8300 miles for maritime shipping.
Although this data is interesting. Where does it come from, so we can read about it?
Using the figures provided that gives a range of 83000g to 332000g of CO2 emissions . Vague "This reply above is a very good example of why you should actually read the text and understand it. You will see that the first quote refers to co2 per km. The second reply is in miles. So you have muddled your units by multiplying them together. Your final number is of course meaningless, what your trying to say is "per tonne". Anyway I think you need to get onto Maersk and tell them their figures are vague lol. | |||
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"I think the CO2 comparison you’re groping for is this sort of thing: “The following table shows the amount of CO2 (in grams) emitted per metric ton of freight and per km of transportation: Air plane (air cargo), average Cargo B747 500 g Modern lorry or truck 60 to 150 g Modern train 30 to 100 g Modern ship (sea freight) 10 to 40 g” In other words a ship can travel 3 to 6 times as far for unit weight of cargo to emit the same CO2 as a truck. South Africa to UK shipping is 6000 miles. Madrid to UK road distance is just over a thousand miles. So very roughly comparable emissions. Interesting.
Do these figures include refrigeration? They aren’t very specific , 10 to 40, 30 to 100, 60 to 150?
South Africa to UK is 8300 miles for maritime shipping.
Although this data is interesting. Where does it come from, so we can read about it?
Using the figures provided that gives a range of 83000g to 332000g of CO2 emissions . Vague
This reply above is a very good example of why you should actually read the text and understand it.
You will see that the first quote refers to co2 per km. The second reply is in miles. So you have muddled your units by multiplying them together. Your final number is of course meaningless, what your trying to say is "per tonne".
Anyway I think you need to get onto Maersk and tell them their figures are vague lol. "So you are using figures for miles compared with figures for km? Why? | |||
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"I think the CO2 comparison you’re groping for is this sort of thing: “The following table shows the amount of CO2 (in grams) emitted per metric ton of freight and per km of transportation: Air plane (air cargo), average Cargo B747 500 g Modern lorry or truck 60 to 150 g Modern train 30 to 100 g Modern ship (sea freight) 10 to 40 g” In other words a ship can travel 3 to 6 times as far for unit weight of cargo to emit the same CO2 as a truck. South Africa to UK shipping is 6000 miles. Madrid to UK road distance is just over a thousand miles. So very roughly comparable emissions. Interesting.
Do these figures include refrigeration? They aren’t very specific , 10 to 40, 30 to 100, 60 to 150?
South Africa to UK is 8300 miles for maritime shipping.
Although this data is interesting. Where does it come from, so we can read about it?
Using the figures provided that gives a range of 83000g to 332000g of CO2 emissions . Vague
This reply above is a very good example of why you should actually read the text and understand it.
You will see that the first quote refers to co2 per km. The second reply is in miles. So you have muddled your units by multiplying them together. Your final number is of course meaningless, what your trying to say is "per tonne".
Anyway I think you need to get onto Maersk and tell them their figures are vague lol. "8,300 miles is 13,300 km Using your figures this now gives a range of 0.13 tonne and 0.532 tonne of CO2 Vague | |||
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"OK let's include the miles travelled from farm to Madrid then as well lol. I've quoted widely used accepted industry figures. You're free to post your own sources if you think they're wrong. Or you can just ignorantly bray from the sidelines lol. " Oh dear chris. Imagine thinking it's cheaper to get a lorry from a south african farm than from spain. Oranges from spain on shelves in two days. Oranges from SA weeks. | |||
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"I think the CO2 comparison you’re groping for is this sort of thing: “The following table shows the amount of CO2 (in grams) emitted per metric ton of freight and per km of transportation: Air plane (air cargo), average Cargo B747 500 g Modern lorry or truck 60 to 150 g Modern train 30 to 100 g Modern ship (sea freight) 10 to 40 g” In other words a ship can travel 3 to 6 times as far for unit weight of cargo to emit the same CO2 as a truck. South Africa to UK shipping is 6000 miles. Madrid to UK road distance is just over a thousand miles. So very roughly comparable emissions. Interesting.
Do these figures include refrigeration? They aren’t very specific , 10 to 40, 30 to 100, 60 to 150?
South Africa to UK is 8300 miles for maritime shipping.
Although this data is interesting. Where does it come from, so we can read about it?
Using the figures provided that gives a range of 83000g to 332000g of CO2 emissions . Vague
This reply above is a very good example of why you should actually read the text and understand it.
You will see that the first quote refers to co2 per km. The second reply is in miles. So you have muddled your units by multiplying them together. Your final number is of course meaningless, what your trying to say is "per tonne".
Anyway I think you need to get onto Maersk and tell them their figures are vague lol.
8,300 miles is 13,300 km
Using your figures this now gives a range of
0.13 tonne and 0.532 tonne of CO2
Vague
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"I think the CO2 comparison you’re groping for is this sort of thing: “The following table shows the amount of CO2 (in grams) emitted per metric ton of freight and per km of transportation: Air plane (air cargo), average Cargo B747 500 g Modern lorry or truck 60 to 150 g Modern train 30 to 100 g Modern ship (sea freight) 10 to 40 g” In other words a ship can travel 3 to 6 times as far for unit weight of cargo to emit the same CO2 as a truck. South Africa to UK shipping is 6000 miles. Madrid to UK road distance is just over a thousand miles. So very roughly comparable emissions. Interesting.
Do these figures include refrigeration? They aren’t very specific , 10 to 40, 30 to 100, 60 to 150?
South Africa to UK is 8300 miles for maritime shipping.
Although this data is interesting. Where does it come from, so we can read about it?
Using the figures provided that gives a range of 83000g to 332000g of CO2 emissions . Vague
This reply above is a very good example of why you should actually read the text and understand it.
You will see that the first quote refers to co2 per km. The second reply is in miles. So you have muddled your units by multiplying them together. Your final number is of course meaningless, what your trying to say is "per tonne".
Anyway I think you need to get onto Maersk and tell them their figures are vague lol.
8,300 miles is 13,300 km
Using your figures this now gives a range of
0.13 tonne and 0.532 tonne of CO2
Vague
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"I think the CO2 comparison you’re groping for is this sort of thing: “The following table shows the amount of CO2 (in grams) emitted per metric ton of freight and per km of transportation: Air plane (air cargo), average Cargo B747 500 g Modern lorry or truck 60 to 150 g Modern train 30 to 100 g Modern ship (sea freight) 10 to 40 g” In other words a ship can travel 3 to 6 times as far for unit weight of cargo to emit the same CO2 as a truck. South Africa to UK shipping is 6000 miles. Madrid to UK road distance is just over a thousand miles. So very roughly comparable emissions. Interesting.
Do these figures include refrigeration? They aren’t very specific , 10 to 40, 30 to 100, 60 to 150?
South Africa to UK is 8300 miles for maritime shipping.
Although this data is interesting. Where does it come from, so we can read about it?
Using the figures provided that gives a range of 83000g to 332000g of CO2 emissions . Vague
This reply above is a very good example of why you should actually read the text and understand it.
You will see that the first quote refers to co2 per km. The second reply is in miles. So you have muddled your units by multiplying them together. Your final number is of course meaningless, what your trying to say is "per tonne".
Anyway I think you need to get onto Maersk and tell them their figures are vague lol.
8,300 miles is 13,300 km
Using your figures this now gives a range of
0.13 tonne and 0.532 tonne of CO2
Vague
Just treat it as a school day yeah.
I thought you said you worked in freight? Doubting your credentials a tiny bit if I'm honest. "I don’t work in freight . | |||
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"I think the CO2 comparison you’re groping for is this sort of thing: “The following table shows the amount of CO2 (in grams) emitted per metric ton of freight and per km of transportation: Air plane (air cargo), average Cargo B747 500 g Modern lorry or truck 60 to 150 g Modern train 30 to 100 g Modern ship (sea freight) 10 to 40 g” In other words a ship can travel 3 to 6 times as far for unit weight of cargo to emit the same CO2 as a truck. South Africa to UK shipping is 6000 miles. Madrid to UK road distance is just over a thousand miles. So very roughly comparable emissions. Interesting.
Do these figures include refrigeration? They aren’t very specific , 10 to 40, 30 to 100, 60 to 150?
South Africa to UK is 8300 miles for maritime shipping.
Although this data is interesting. Where does it come from, so we can read about it?
Using the figures provided that gives a range of 83000g to 332000g of CO2 emissions . Vague
This reply above is a very good example of why you should actually read the text and understand it.
You will see that the first quote refers to co2 per km. The second reply is in miles. So you have muddled your units by multiplying them together. Your final number is of course meaningless, what your trying to say is "per tonne".
Anyway I think you need to get onto Maersk and tell them their figures are vague lol.
8,300 miles is 13,300 km
Using your figures this now gives a range of
0.13 tonne and 0.532 tonne of CO2
Vague
Just treat it as a school day yeah.
I thought you said you worked in freight? Doubting your credentials a tiny bit if I'm honest.
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"I think the CO2 comparison you’re groping for is this sort of thing: “The following table shows the amount of CO2 (in grams) emitted per metric ton of freight and per km of transportation: Air plane (air cargo), average Cargo B747 500 g Modern lorry or truck 60 to 150 g Modern train 30 to 100 g Modern ship (sea freight) 10 to 40 g” In other words a ship can travel 3 to 6 times as far for unit weight of cargo to emit the same CO2 as a truck. South Africa to UK shipping is 6000 miles. Madrid to UK road distance is just over a thousand miles. So very roughly comparable emissions. Interesting.
Do these figures include refrigeration? They aren’t very specific , 10 to 40, 30 to 100, 60 to 150?
South Africa to UK is 8300 miles for maritime shipping.
Although this data is interesting. Where does it come from, so we can read about it?
Using the figures provided that gives a range of 83000g to 332000g of CO2 emissions . Vague
This reply above is a very good example of why you should actually read the text and understand it.
You will see that the first quote refers to co2 per km. The second reply is in miles. So you have muddled your units by multiplying them together. Your final number is of course meaningless, what your trying to say is "per tonne".
Anyway I think you need to get onto Maersk and tell them their figures are vague lol.
8,300 miles is 13,300 km
Using your figures this now gives a range of
0.13 tonne and 0.532 tonne of CO2
Vague
Just treat it as a school day yeah.
I thought you said you worked in freight? Doubting your credentials a tiny bit if I'm honest.
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"OK let's include the miles travelled from farm to Madrid then as well lol. I've quoted widely used accepted industry figures. You're free to post your own sources if you think they're wrong. Or you can just ignorantly bray from the sidelines lol. Oh dear chris. Imagine thinking it's cheaper to get a lorry from a south african farm than from spain. Oranges from spain on shelves in two days. Oranges from SA weeks. Have you checked where your oranges come from in the supermarket lately? they dont harvest oranges all year in spain you must really do some research on food mate its embarrassing. "Another one lol. | |||
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"OK let's include the miles travelled from farm to Madrid then as well lol. I've quoted widely used accepted industry figures. You're free to post your own sources if you think they're wrong. Or you can just ignorantly bray from the sidelines lol. Oh dear chris. Imagine thinking it's cheaper to get a lorry from a south african farm than from spain. Oranges from spain on shelves in two days. Oranges from SA weeks. Have you checked where your oranges come from in the supermarket lately? they dont harvest oranges all year in spain you must really do some research on food mate its embarrassing.
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"Have you checked where your oranges come from in the supermarket lately? they dont harvest oranges all year in spain " Hi. can you tell us where our oranges come from in the supermarket lately please?can you tell us when they harvest oranges in spain please? thankyou in advance. | |||
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"Have you checked where your oranges come from in the supermarket lately? they dont harvest oranges all year in spain Hi. can you tell us where our oranges come from in the supermarket lately please?can you tell us when they harvest oranges in spain please? thankyou in advance." The only months Spain doesn’t harvest Oranges are August and September. Otherwise three main varieties are harvested at varying times of the year. South Africa is not going to push Spain off its top dog position anytime soon. | |||
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"The only months Spain doesn’t harvest Oranges are August and September. Otherwise three main varieties are harvested at varying times of the year. South Africa is not going to push Spain off its top dog position anytime soon." hi, i was rather hoping that the poster acting as the font of knowledge on all things concerning spanish oranges and to whom i directed the question to by quoting them would answer my question, but i am greateful to you all the same. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU. "As you asked! One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases. Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before? I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without. Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it! | |||
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"sadly no as over populated Would u not consider renting an allotment? Maybe keep a goat for milk etc" Due to disability not possible prefer cow milk | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it! "^^^^ Sadly I did predict this yesterday, the efforts of some here to continuously misquote and misinterpret information from knowledgeable individuals puts people off posting. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it! "You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU. Which simply isn't true. Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items? | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?"You seem to have missed the memo that we are now all free to do as we choose | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You seem to have missed the memo that we are now all free to do as we choose "Really, what can you do now that you couldn’t last year?? | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You seem to have missed the memo that we are now all free to do as we choose
Really, what can you do now that you couldn’t last year??"I can save 9 billion a year and not give tacit support to slavery in China | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You seem to have missed the memo that we are now all free to do as we choose
Really, what can you do now that you couldn’t last year??
I can save 9 billion a year and not give tacit support to slavery in China "Wow, you have saved 9 billion since Jan 1st, who has given ‘tacit support to slavery in China’? | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You seem to have missed the memo that we are now all free to do as we choose "I echo the other question. What produce where we unable to choose while we were in the EU? | |||
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"does this mean the UK government have cancelled their infrastructure contracts with China and divesting us from their portfolio on account of the companies involved with them have links to slavery?" Dont we also accept a huge no of Chinese students.? | |||
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"does this mean the UK government have cancelled their infrastructure contracts with China and divesting us from their portfolio on account of the companies involved with them have links to slavery? Dont we also accept a huge no of Chinese students.?" Surely not?? That would be a ‘tacit support of slavery ‘ | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You seem to have missed the memo that we are now all free to do as we choose
I echo the other question. What produce where we unable to choose while we were in the EU?"We were forced to support protectionist and anti animal welfare farming. Now we no longer have to pay in to be the equivalent of welfare scroungers. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?"You're correct in thinking that we could buy products outside of the EU prior to the 31st, but very often because of the tarrifs imposed by the EU it was uneconomical to do so. Now we are free to introduce our own tarrifs if we choose to do so or not as the case maybe. If they are detrimental to us then I guess we don't. But that's is now our choice, not dictated to by others whereby there is no benefit to us. Others seem to be fixated on oranges, a tarrif on an orange seems to be of no benefit to us as we do not produce them, whereas counties undercutting Spain in the EU for example can't because Spain is protected by import duties. You seem to be under the impression that I and others don't want to trade with the EU. For myself that's never been the case, I just think there is more opportunities other than on our doorstep. As an Island nation we've always traded with countries from around the world, we've had to. Whether that's France or the Philippines. As for buying local, I'm all for it. Buy British if we can. You may have to look a little harder, but you can even by a British made pressure washer for example. Not many know that, I didn't until I looked. As for food, I grow a lot of my own, tend to buy meat produced in the UK. Vegetables very often local. Seasonal that's the deciding factor. But what we can't produce we can buy from elsewhere, whether German dishwashers or Californian wine. More choice. This won't happen overnight, it will take time for new deals to be put in place and the benefits to come through. Just one size fits all no longer applies. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You seem to have missed the memo that we are now all free to do as we choose
I echo the other question. What produce where we unable to choose while we were in the EU?
We were forced to support protectionist and anti animal welfare farming.
Now we no longer have to pay in to be the equivalent of welfare scroungers. "Are you making this up? This is hilarious , what are you going to come up with next? | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You seem to have missed the memo that we are now all free to do as we choose
I echo the other question. What produce where we unable to choose while we were in the EU?
We were forced to support protectionist and anti animal welfare farming.
Now we no longer have to pay in to be the equivalent of welfare scroungers.
Are you making this up? This is hilarious , what are you going to come up with next? "Do germany not have a half decent economy? | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You're correct in thinking that we could buy products outside of the EU prior to the 31st, but very often because of the tarrifs imposed by the EU it was uneconomical to do so. Now we are free to introduce our own tarrifs if we choose to do so or not as the case maybe. If they are detrimental to us then I guess we don't. But that's is now our choice, not dictated to by others whereby there is no benefit to us. Others seem to be fixated on oranges, a tarrif on an orange seems to be of no benefit to us as we do not produce them, whereas counties undercutting Spain in the EU for example can't because Spain is protected by import duties.
You seem to be under the impression that I and others don't want to trade with the EU. For myself that's never been the case, I just think there is more opportunities other than on our doorstep. As an Island nation we've always traded with countries from around the world, we've had to. Whether that's France or the Philippines.
As for buying local, I'm all for it. Buy British if we can. You may have to look a little harder, but you can even by a British made pressure washer for example. Not many know that, I didn't until I looked. As for food, I grow a lot of my own, tend to buy meat produced in the UK. Vegetables very often local. Seasonal that's the deciding factor. But what we can't produce we can buy from elsewhere, whether German dishwashers or Californian wine. More choice. This won't happen overnight, it will take time for new deals to be put in place and the benefits to come through. Just one size fits all no longer applies."Okay, so you think that the problem is the EU introduced tariffs that encouraged people to buy from within the EU. And hence buy more local, comparatively speaking? And that we, as a single country, can negotiate better trade agreements than the EU, a much larger, more powerful trading block? (This hasn't proven to be true so far, most of the deals seem to be the exact same as what we had). Also, we were part of the EU, so "they" weren't dictating to "Us". We were at the decision making table. Now we're not, but still have to abide by their rules to trade freely with them. The more choice of where the dishwasher is made, as your example, seems like an extremely tenuous Brexit benefit. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You're correct in thinking that we could buy products outside of the EU prior to the 31st, but very often because of the tarrifs imposed by the EU it was uneconomical to do so. Now we are free to introduce our own tarrifs if we choose to do so or not as the case maybe. If they are detrimental to us then I guess we don't. But that's is now our choice, not dictated to by others whereby there is no benefit to us. Others seem to be fixated on oranges, a tarrif on an orange seems to be of no benefit to us as we do not produce them, whereas counties undercutting Spain in the EU for example can't because Spain is protected by import duties.
You seem to be under the impression that I and others don't want to trade with the EU. For myself that's never been the case, I just think there is more opportunities other than on our doorstep. As an Island nation we've always traded with countries from around the world, we've had to. Whether that's France or the Philippines.
As for buying local, I'm all for it. Buy British if we can. You may have to look a little harder, but you can even by a British made pressure washer for example. Not many know that, I didn't until I looked. As for food, I grow a lot of my own, tend to buy meat produced in the UK. Vegetables very often local. Seasonal that's the deciding factor. But what we can't produce we can buy from elsewhere, whether German dishwashers or Californian wine. More choice. This won't happen overnight, it will take time for new deals to be put in place and the benefits to come through. Just one size fits all no longer applies.
Okay, so you think that the problem is the EU introduced tariffs that encouraged people to buy from within the EU. And hence buy more local, comparatively speaking?
And that we, as a single country, can negotiate better trade agreements than the EU, a much larger, more powerful trading block? (This hasn't proven to be true so far, most of the deals seem to be the exact same as what we had).
Also, we were part of the EU, so "they" weren't dictating to "Us". We were at the decision making table. Now we're not, but still have to abide by their rules to trade freely with them.
The more choice of where the dishwasher is made, as your example, seems like an extremely tenuous Brexit benefit. "As usual you misquote and twist to your own agenda or simply don't read properly. All this being on the inside rarely helped us. We would be outvoted by counties looking after their own interests. We were never welcome when we joined the trading block and that has never changed. I'm sure 'they' breathed a sigh of relief on the 31st too. I believe I said, whether dishwashers from Germany or Californian wine, which was a generalisation. As for you saying deals are the same as with the EU, yes many of them are and if you actually take an interest in what has happened over the last year, we have done many 'roll over' deals until we can negotiate freely with other countries, which we now can, but also as previously said this will take time. Only the very stupid would expect this to happen overnight. Can we negotiate a better deal than a large trading block? What we can do is negotiate a trade deal that is relevant to us, so from that perspective, yes it would be better for us. There is a difference in buying local and being protectionist. Spain isn't local to us, so I wouldn't suggest that is buying local. Closer, perhaps than many other countries, but not local. If it's cheaper or more beneficial to buy produce from Spain or from the EU, so be it, I don't have a problem with that. But if we can buy a better product elsewhere then why not? | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You're correct in thinking that we could buy products outside of the EU prior to the 31st, but very often because of the tarrifs imposed by the EU it was uneconomical to do so. Now we are free to introduce our own tarrifs if we choose to do so or not as the case maybe. If they are detrimental to us then I guess we don't. But that's is now our choice, not dictated to by others whereby there is no benefit to us. Others seem to be fixated on oranges, a tarrif on an orange seems to be of no benefit to us as we do not produce them, whereas counties undercutting Spain in the EU for example can't because Spain is protected by import duties.
You seem to be under the impression that I and others don't want to trade with the EU. For myself that's never been the case, I just think there is more opportunities other than on our doorstep. As an Island nation we've always traded with countries from around the world, we've had to. Whether that's France or the Philippines.
As for buying local, I'm all for it. Buy British if we can. You may have to look a little harder, but you can even by a British made pressure washer for example. Not many know that, I didn't until I looked. As for food, I grow a lot of my own, tend to buy meat produced in the UK. Vegetables very often local. Seasonal that's the deciding factor. But what we can't produce we can buy from elsewhere, whether German dishwashers or Californian wine. More choice. This won't happen overnight, it will take time for new deals to be put in place and the benefits to come through. Just one size fits all no longer applies.
Okay, so you think that the problem is the EU introduced tariffs that encouraged people to buy from within the EU. And hence buy more local, comparatively speaking?
And that we, as a single country, can negotiate better trade agreements than the EU, a much larger, more powerful trading block? (This hasn't proven to be true so far, most of the deals seem to be the exact same as what we had).
Also, we were part of the EU, so "they" weren't dictating to "Us". We were at the decision making table. Now we're not, but still have to abide by their rules to trade freely with them.
The more choice of where the dishwasher is made, as your example, seems like an extremely tenuous Brexit benefit.
As usual you misquote and twist to your own agenda or simply don't read properly.
All this being on the inside rarely helped us. We would be outvoted by counties looking after their own interests. We were never welcome when we joined the trading block and that has never changed. I'm sure 'they' breathed a sigh of relief on the 31st too.
I believe I said, whether dishwashers from Germany or Californian wine, which was a generalisation.
As for you saying deals are the same as with the EU, yes many of them are and if you actually take an interest in what has happened over the last year, we have done many 'roll over' deals until we can negotiate freely with other countries, which we now can, but also as previously said this will take time. Only the very stupid would expect this to happen overnight.
Can we negotiate a better deal than a large trading block? What we can do is negotiate a trade deal that is relevant to us, so from that perspective, yes it would be better for us.
There is a difference in buying local and being protectionist. Spain isn't local to us, so I wouldn't suggest that is buying local. Closer, perhaps than many other countries, but not local. If it's cheaper or more beneficial to buy produce from Spain or from the EU, so be it, I don't have a problem with that. But if we can buy a better product elsewhere then why not? "We could always have bought a "better" product from elsewhere. Your perception of us not being welcome is just not true. And the same as the UK being outvoted, it's not as the right wing media would have you believe. Here's some info. https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/ I don't have any agenda. I'm just pointing out that there are no brexit benefits here. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You're correct in thinking that we could buy products outside of the EU prior to the 31st, but very often because of the tarrifs imposed by the EU it was uneconomical to do so. Now we are free to introduce our own tarrifs if we choose to do so or not as the case maybe. If they are detrimental to us then I guess we don't. But that's is now our choice, not dictated to by others whereby there is no benefit to us. Others seem to be fixated on oranges, a tarrif on an orange seems to be of no benefit to us as we do not produce them, whereas counties undercutting Spain in the EU for example can't because Spain is protected by import duties.
You seem to be under the impression that I and others don't want to trade with the EU. For myself that's never been the case, I just think there is more opportunities other than on our doorstep. As an Island nation we've always traded with countries from around the world, we've had to. Whether that's France or the Philippines.
As for buying local, I'm all for it. Buy British if we can. You may have to look a little harder, but you can even by a British made pressure washer for example. Not many know that, I didn't until I looked. As for food, I grow a lot of my own, tend to buy meat produced in the UK. Vegetables very often local. Seasonal that's the deciding factor. But what we can't produce we can buy from elsewhere, whether German dishwashers or Californian wine. More choice. This won't happen overnight, it will take time for new deals to be put in place and the benefits to come through. Just one size fits all no longer applies.
Okay, so you think that the problem is the EU introduced tariffs that encouraged people to buy from within the EU. And hence buy more local, comparatively speaking?
And that we, as a single country, can negotiate better trade agreements than the EU, a much larger, more powerful trading block? (This hasn't proven to be true so far, most of the deals seem to be the exact same as what we had).
Also, we were part of the EU, so "they" weren't dictating to "Us". We were at the decision making table. Now we're not, but still have to abide by their rules to trade freely with them.
The more choice of where the dishwasher is made, as your example, seems like an extremely tenuous Brexit benefit.
As usual you misquote and twist to your own agenda or simply don't read properly.
All this being on the inside rarely helped us. We would be outvoted by counties looking after their own interests. We were never welcome when we joined the trading block and that has never changed. I'm sure 'they' breathed a sigh of relief on the 31st too.
I believe I said, whether dishwashers from Germany or Californian wine, which was a generalisation.
As for you saying deals are the same as with the EU, yes many of them are and if you actually take an interest in what has happened over the last year, we have done many 'roll over' deals until we can negotiate freely with other countries, which we now can, but also as previously said this will take time. Only the very stupid would expect this to happen overnight.
Can we negotiate a better deal than a large trading block? What we can do is negotiate a trade deal that is relevant to us, so from that perspective, yes it would be better for us.
There is a difference in buying local and being protectionist. Spain isn't local to us, so I wouldn't suggest that is buying local. Closer, perhaps than many other countries, but not local. If it's cheaper or more beneficial to buy produce from Spain or from the EU, so be it, I don't have a problem with that. But if we can buy a better product elsewhere then why not? "Dont think I've ever seen someone write so many words but say nothing. One thing to remember when you think the uk has a bit of influence in trade deals is the EU and Ireland told us 5 years ago we would have a border down the irish sea and in spite of years of denial from the Tories guess where the border is ? | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You're correct in thinking that we could buy products outside of the EU prior to the 31st, but very often because of the tarrifs imposed by the EU it was uneconomical to do so. Now we are free to introduce our own tarrifs if we choose to do so or not as the case maybe. If they are detrimental to us then I guess we don't. But that's is now our choice, not dictated to by others whereby there is no benefit to us. Others seem to be fixated on oranges, a tarrif on an orange seems to be of no benefit to us as we do not produce them, whereas counties undercutting Spain in the EU for example can't because Spain is protected by import duties.
You seem to be under the impression that I and others don't want to trade with the EU. For myself that's never been the case, I just think there is more opportunities other than on our doorstep. As an Island nation we've always traded with countries from around the world, we've had to. Whether that's France or the Philippines.
As for buying local, I'm all for it. Buy British if we can. You may have to look a little harder, but you can even by a British made pressure washer for example. Not many know that, I didn't until I looked. As for food, I grow a lot of my own, tend to buy meat produced in the UK. Vegetables very often local. Seasonal that's the deciding factor. But what we can't produce we can buy from elsewhere, whether German dishwashers or Californian wine. More choice. This won't happen overnight, it will take time for new deals to be put in place and the benefits to come through. Just one size fits all no longer applies.
Okay, so you think that the problem is the EU introduced tariffs that encouraged people to buy from within the EU. And hence buy more local, comparatively speaking?
And that we, as a single country, can negotiate better trade agreements than the EU, a much larger, more powerful trading block? (This hasn't proven to be true so far, most of the deals seem to be the exact same as what we had).
Also, we were part of the EU, so "they" weren't dictating to "Us". We were at the decision making table. Now we're not, but still have to abide by their rules to trade freely with them.
The more choice of where the dishwasher is made, as your example, seems like an extremely tenuous Brexit benefit.
As usual you misquote and twist to your own agenda or simply don't read properly.
All this being on the inside rarely helped us. We would be outvoted by counties looking after their own interests. We were never welcome when we joined the trading block and that has never changed. I'm sure 'they' breathed a sigh of relief on the 31st too.
I believe I said, whether dishwashers from Germany or Californian wine, which was a generalisation.
As for you saying deals are the same as with the EU, yes many of them are and if you actually take an interest in what has happened over the last year, we have done many 'roll over' deals until we can negotiate freely with other countries, which we now can, but also as previously said this will take time. Only the very stupid would expect this to happen overnight.
Can we negotiate a better deal than a large trading block? What we can do is negotiate a trade deal that is relevant to us, so from that perspective, yes it would be better for us.
There is a difference in buying local and being protectionist. Spain isn't local to us, so I wouldn't suggest that is buying local. Closer, perhaps than many other countries, but not local. If it's cheaper or more beneficial to buy produce from Spain or from the EU, so be it, I don't have a problem with that. But if we can buy a better product elsewhere then why not?
We could always have bought a "better" product from elsewhere.
Your perception of us not being welcome is just not true. And the same as the UK being outvoted, it's not as the right wing media would have you believe. Here's some info.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/
I don't have any agenda. I'm just pointing out that there are no brexit benefits here.
"I don't believe the right wing media and I don't believe the left wing media either. I make up my own mind. I've also said many times, benefits will take time to filter through. Perhaps the difference between us, is I tend to think long term rather than expecting to have happened already. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You're correct in thinking that we could buy products outside of the EU prior to the 31st, but very often because of the tarrifs imposed by the EU it was uneconomical to do so. Now we are free to introduce our own tarrifs if we choose to do so or not as the case maybe. If they are detrimental to us then I guess we don't. But that's is now our choice, not dictated to by others whereby there is no benefit to us. Others seem to be fixated on oranges, a tarrif on an orange seems to be of no benefit to us as we do not produce them, whereas counties undercutting Spain in the EU for example can't because Spain is protected by import duties.
You seem to be under the impression that I and others don't want to trade with the EU. For myself that's never been the case, I just think there is more opportunities other than on our doorstep. As an Island nation we've always traded with countries from around the world, we've had to. Whether that's France or the Philippines.
As for buying local, I'm all for it. Buy British if we can. You may have to look a little harder, but you can even by a British made pressure washer for example. Not many know that, I didn't until I looked. As for food, I grow a lot of my own, tend to buy meat produced in the UK. Vegetables very often local. Seasonal that's the deciding factor. But what we can't produce we can buy from elsewhere, whether German dishwashers or Californian wine. More choice. This won't happen overnight, it will take time for new deals to be put in place and the benefits to come through. Just one size fits all no longer applies.
Okay, so you think that the problem is the EU introduced tariffs that encouraged people to buy from within the EU. And hence buy more local, comparatively speaking?
And that we, as a single country, can negotiate better trade agreements than the EU, a much larger, more powerful trading block? (This hasn't proven to be true so far, most of the deals seem to be the exact same as what we had).
Also, we were part of the EU, so "they" weren't dictating to "Us". We were at the decision making table. Now we're not, but still have to abide by their rules to trade freely with them.
The more choice of where the dishwasher is made, as your example, seems like an extremely tenuous Brexit benefit.
As usual you misquote and twist to your own agenda or simply don't read properly.
All this being on the inside rarely helped us. We would be outvoted by counties looking after their own interests. We were never welcome when we joined the trading block and that has never changed. I'm sure 'they' breathed a sigh of relief on the 31st too.
I believe I said, whether dishwashers from Germany or Californian wine, which was a generalisation.
As for you saying deals are the same as with the EU, yes many of them are and if you actually take an interest in what has happened over the last year, we have done many 'roll over' deals until we can negotiate freely with other countries, which we now can, but also as previously said this will take time. Only the very stupid would expect this to happen overnight.
Can we negotiate a better deal than a large trading block? What we can do is negotiate a trade deal that is relevant to us, so from that perspective, yes it would be better for us.
There is a difference in buying local and being protectionist. Spain isn't local to us, so I wouldn't suggest that is buying local. Closer, perhaps than many other countries, but not local. If it's cheaper or more beneficial to buy produce from Spain or from the EU, so be it, I don't have a problem with that. But if we can buy a better product elsewhere then why not?
We could always have bought a "better" product from elsewhere.
Your perception of us not being welcome is just not true. And the same as the UK being outvoted, it's not as the right wing media would have you believe. Here's some info.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/
I don't have any agenda. I'm just pointing out that there are no brexit benefits here.
I don't believe the right wing media and I don't believe the left wing media either. I make up my own mind.
I've also said many times, benefits will take time to filter through. Perhaps the difference between us, is I tend to think long term rather than expecting to have happened already."Where do you get this notion that we were never welcome in the EU then? And I'm not expecting anything to happen, now or later. I'm expecting more of the same brexit sandwich. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You're correct in thinking that we could buy products outside of the EU prior to the 31st, but very often because of the tarrifs imposed by the EU it was uneconomical to do so. Now we are free to introduce our own tarrifs if we choose to do so or not as the case maybe. If they are detrimental to us then I guess we don't. But that's is now our choice, not dictated to by others whereby there is no benefit to us. Others seem to be fixated on oranges, a tarrif on an orange seems to be of no benefit to us as we do not produce them, whereas counties undercutting Spain in the EU for example can't because Spain is protected by import duties.
You seem to be under the impression that I and others don't want to trade with the EU. For myself that's never been the case, I just think there is more opportunities other than on our doorstep. As an Island nation we've always traded with countries from around the world, we've had to. Whether that's France or the Philippines.
As for buying local, I'm all for it. Buy British if we can. You may have to look a little harder, but you can even by a British made pressure washer for example. Not many know that, I didn't until I looked. As for food, I grow a lot of my own, tend to buy meat produced in the UK. Vegetables very often local. Seasonal that's the deciding factor. But what we can't produce we can buy from elsewhere, whether German dishwashers or Californian wine. More choice. This won't happen overnight, it will take time for new deals to be put in place and the benefits to come through. Just one size fits all no longer applies.
Okay, so you think that the problem is the EU introduced tariffs that encouraged people to buy from within the EU. And hence buy more local, comparatively speaking?
And that we, as a single country, can negotiate better trade agreements than the EU, a much larger, more powerful trading block? (This hasn't proven to be true so far, most of the deals seem to be the exact same as what we had).
Also, we were part of the EU, so "they" weren't dictating to "Us". We were at the decision making table. Now we're not, but still have to abide by their rules to trade freely with them.
The more choice of where the dishwasher is made, as your example, seems like an extremely tenuous Brexit benefit.
As usual you misquote and twist to your own agenda or simply don't read properly.
All this being on the inside rarely helped us. We would be outvoted by counties looking after their own interests. We were never welcome when we joined the trading block and that has never changed. I'm sure 'they' breathed a sigh of relief on the 31st too.
I believe I said, whether dishwashers from Germany or Californian wine, which was a generalisation.
As for you saying deals are the same as with the EU, yes many of them are and if you actually take an interest in what has happened over the last year, we have done many 'roll over' deals until we can negotiate freely with other countries, which we now can, but also as previously said this will take time. Only the very stupid would expect this to happen overnight.
Can we negotiate a better deal than a large trading block? What we can do is negotiate a trade deal that is relevant to us, so from that perspective, yes it would be better for us.
There is a difference in buying local and being protectionist. Spain isn't local to us, so I wouldn't suggest that is buying local. Closer, perhaps than many other countries, but not local. If it's cheaper or more beneficial to buy produce from Spain or from the EU, so be it, I don't have a problem with that. But if we can buy a better product elsewhere then why not?
Dont think I've ever seen someone write so many words but say nothing. One thing to remember when you think the uk has a bit of influence in trade deals is the EU and Ireland told us 5 years ago we would have a border down the irish sea and in spite of years of denial from the Tories guess where the border is ?"That is the fault of the EU. They made it political, we were happy for the border to continue as was. They wanted to put up a border, not us. To put it on the island would have taken the country backwards. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You're correct in thinking that we could buy products outside of the EU prior to the 31st, but very often because of the tarrifs imposed by the EU it was uneconomical to do so. Now we are free to introduce our own tarrifs if we choose to do so or not as the case maybe. If they are detrimental to us then I guess we don't. But that's is now our choice, not dictated to by others whereby there is no benefit to us. Others seem to be fixated on oranges, a tarrif on an orange seems to be of no benefit to us as we do not produce them, whereas counties undercutting Spain in the EU for example can't because Spain is protected by import duties.
You seem to be under the impression that I and others don't want to trade with the EU. For myself that's never been the case, I just think there is more opportunities other than on our doorstep. As an Island nation we've always traded with countries from around the world, we've had to. Whether that's France or the Philippines.
As for buying local, I'm all for it. Buy British if we can. You may have to look a little harder, but you can even by a British made pressure washer for example. Not many know that, I didn't until I looked. As for food, I grow a lot of my own, tend to buy meat produced in the UK. Vegetables very often local. Seasonal that's the deciding factor. But what we can't produce we can buy from elsewhere, whether German dishwashers or Californian wine. More choice. This won't happen overnight, it will take time for new deals to be put in place and the benefits to come through. Just one size fits all no longer applies.
Okay, so you think that the problem is the EU introduced tariffs that encouraged people to buy from within the EU. And hence buy more local, comparatively speaking?
And that we, as a single country, can negotiate better trade agreements than the EU, a much larger, more powerful trading block? (This hasn't proven to be true so far, most of the deals seem to be the exact same as what we had).
Also, we were part of the EU, so "they" weren't dictating to "Us". We were at the decision making table. Now we're not, but still have to abide by their rules to trade freely with them.
The more choice of where the dishwasher is made, as your example, seems like an extremely tenuous Brexit benefit.
As usual you misquote and twist to your own agenda or simply don't read properly.
All this being on the inside rarely helped us. We would be outvoted by counties looking after their own interests. We were never welcome when we joined the trading block and that has never changed. I'm sure 'they' breathed a sigh of relief on the 31st too.
I believe I said, whether dishwashers from Germany or Californian wine, which was a generalisation.
As for you saying deals are the same as with the EU, yes many of them are and if you actually take an interest in what has happened over the last year, we have done many 'roll over' deals until we can negotiate freely with other countries, which we now can, but also as previously said this will take time. Only the very stupid would expect this to happen overnight.
Can we negotiate a better deal than a large trading block? What we can do is negotiate a trade deal that is relevant to us, so from that perspective, yes it would be better for us.
There is a difference in buying local and being protectionist. Spain isn't local to us, so I wouldn't suggest that is buying local. Closer, perhaps than many other countries, but not local. If it's cheaper or more beneficial to buy produce from Spain or from the EU, so be it, I don't have a problem with that. But if we can buy a better product elsewhere then why not?
We could always have bought a "better" product from elsewhere.
Your perception of us not being welcome is just not true. And the same as the UK being outvoted, it's not as the right wing media would have you believe. Here's some info.
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/
I don't have any agenda. I'm just pointing out that there are no brexit benefits here.
I don't believe the right wing media and I don't believe the left wing media either. I make up my own mind.
I've also said many times, benefits will take time to filter through. Perhaps the difference between us, is I tend to think long term rather than expecting to have happened already.
Where do you get this notion that we were never welcome in the EU then?
And I'm not expecting anything to happen, now or later. I'm expecting more of the same brexit sandwich. "Round and round. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You're correct in thinking that we could buy products outside of the EU prior to the 31st, but very often because of the tarrifs imposed by the EU it was uneconomical to do so. Now we are free to introduce our own tarrifs if we choose to do so or not as the case maybe. If they are detrimental to us then I guess we don't. But that's is now our choice, not dictated to by others whereby there is no benefit to us. Others seem to be fixated on oranges, a tarrif on an orange seems to be of no benefit to us as we do not produce them, whereas counties undercutting Spain in the EU for example can't because Spain is protected by import duties.
You seem to be under the impression that I and others don't want to trade with the EU. For myself that's never been the case, I just think there is more opportunities other than on our doorstep. As an Island nation we've always traded with countries from around the world, we've had to. Whether that's France or the Philippines.
As for buying local, I'm all for it. Buy British if we can. You may have to look a little harder, but you can even by a British made pressure washer for example. Not many know that, I didn't until I looked. As for food, I grow a lot of my own, tend to buy meat produced in the UK. Vegetables very often local. Seasonal that's the deciding factor. But what we can't produce we can buy from elsewhere, whether German dishwashers or Californian wine. More choice. This won't happen overnight, it will take time for new deals to be put in place and the benefits to come through. Just one size fits all no longer applies.
Okay, so you think that the problem is the EU introduced tariffs that encouraged people to buy from within the EU. And hence buy more local, comparatively speaking?
And that we, as a single country, can negotiate better trade agreements than the EU, a much larger, more powerful trading block? (This hasn't proven to be true so far, most of the deals seem to be the exact same as what we had).
Also, we were part of the EU, so "they" weren't dictating to "Us". We were at the decision making table. Now we're not, but still have to abide by their rules to trade freely with them.
The more choice of where the dishwasher is made, as your example, seems like an extremely tenuous Brexit benefit.
As usual you misquote and twist to your own agenda or simply don't read properly.
All this being on the inside rarely helped us. We would be outvoted by counties looking after their own interests. We were never welcome when we joined the trading block and that has never changed. I'm sure 'they' breathed a sigh of relief on the 31st too.
I believe I said, whether dishwashers from Germany or Californian wine, which was a generalisation.
As for you saying deals are the same as with the EU, yes many of them are and if you actually take an interest in what has happened over the last year, we have done many 'roll over' deals until we can negotiate freely with other countries, which we now can, but also as previously said this will take time. Only the very stupid would expect this to happen overnight.
Can we negotiate a better deal than a large trading block? What we can do is negotiate a trade deal that is relevant to us, so from that perspective, yes it would be better for us.
There is a difference in buying local and being protectionist. Spain isn't local to us, so I wouldn't suggest that is buying local. Closer, perhaps than many other countries, but not local. If it's cheaper or more beneficial to buy produce from Spain or from the EU, so be it, I don't have a problem with that. But if we can buy a better product elsewhere then why not?
Dont think I've ever seen someone write so many words but say nothing. One thing to remember when you think the uk has a bit of influence in trade deals is the EU and Ireland told us 5 years ago we would have a border down the irish sea and in spite of years of denial from the Tories guess where the border is ?
That is the fault of the EU. They made it political, we were happy for the border to continue as was. They wanted to put up a border, not us. To put it on the island would have taken the country backwards."No. Can't put a border on the island of Ireland. That would break the terms of the GFA. You absolutely cannot blame the EU for this. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You're correct in thinking that we could buy products outside of the EU prior to the 31st, but very often because of the tarrifs imposed by the EU it was uneconomical to do so. Now we are free to introduce our own tarrifs if we choose to do so or not as the case maybe. If they are detrimental to us then I guess we don't. But that's is now our choice, not dictated to by others whereby there is no benefit to us. Others seem to be fixated on oranges, a tarrif on an orange seems to be of no benefit to us as we do not produce them, whereas counties undercutting Spain in the EU for example can't because Spain is protected by import duties.
You seem to be under the impression that I and others don't want to trade with the EU. For myself that's never been the case, I just think there is more opportunities other than on our doorstep. As an Island nation we've always traded with countries from around the world, we've had to. Whether that's France or the Philippines.
As for buying local, I'm all for it. Buy British if we can. You may have to look a little harder, but you can even by a British made pressure washer for example. Not many know that, I didn't until I looked. As for food, I grow a lot of my own, tend to buy meat produced in the UK. Vegetables very often local. Seasonal that's the deciding factor. But what we can't produce we can buy from elsewhere, whether German dishwashers or Californian wine. More choice. This won't happen overnight, it will take time for new deals to be put in place and the benefits to come through. Just one size fits all no longer applies.
Okay, so you think that the problem is the EU introduced tariffs that encouraged people to buy from within the EU. And hence buy more local, comparatively speaking?
And that we, as a single country, can negotiate better trade agreements than the EU, a much larger, more powerful trading block? (This hasn't proven to be true so far, most of the deals seem to be the exact same as what we had).
Also, we were part of the EU, so "they" weren't dictating to "Us". We were at the decision making table. Now we're not, but still have to abide by their rules to trade freely with them.
The more choice of where the dishwasher is made, as your example, seems like an extremely tenuous Brexit benefit.
As usual you misquote and twist to your own agenda or simply don't read properly.
All this being on the inside rarely helped us. We would be outvoted by counties looking after their own interests. We were never welcome when we joined the trading block and that has never changed. I'm sure 'they' breathed a sigh of relief on the 31st too.
I believe I said, whether dishwashers from Germany or Californian wine, which was a generalisation.
As for you saying deals are the same as with the EU, yes many of them are and if you actually take an interest in what has happened over the last year, we have done many 'roll over' deals until we can negotiate freely with other countries, which we now can, but also as previously said this will take time. Only the very stupid would expect this to happen overnight.
Can we negotiate a better deal than a large trading block? What we can do is negotiate a trade deal that is relevant to us, so from that perspective, yes it would be better for us.
There is a difference in buying local and being protectionist. Spain isn't local to us, so I wouldn't suggest that is buying local. Closer, perhaps than many other countries, but not local. If it's cheaper or more beneficial to buy produce from Spain or from the EU, so be it, I don't have a problem with that. But if we can buy a better product elsewhere then why not?
Dont think I've ever seen someone write so many words but say nothing. One thing to remember when you think the uk has a bit of influence in trade deals is the EU and Ireland told us 5 years ago we would have a border down the irish sea and in spite of years of denial from the Tories guess where the border is ?
That is the fault of the EU. They made it political, we were happy for the border to continue as was. They wanted to put up a border, not us. To put it on the island would have taken the country backwards."EXACTLY we were happy to continue as it was the EU said no we said ok we surrender showed a lot of weakness tocountries we intend to do deals with. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You're correct in thinking that we could buy products outside of the EU prior to the 31st, but very often because of the tarrifs imposed by the EU it was uneconomical to do so. Now we are free to introduce our own tarrifs if we choose to do so or not as the case maybe. If they are detrimental to us then I guess we don't. But that's is now our choice, not dictated to by others whereby there is no benefit to us. Others seem to be fixated on oranges, a tarrif on an orange seems to be of no benefit to us as we do not produce them, whereas counties undercutting Spain in the EU for example can't because Spain is protected by import duties.
You seem to be under the impression that I and others don't want to trade with the EU. For myself that's never been the case, I just think there is more opportunities other than on our doorstep. As an Island nation we've always traded with countries from around the world, we've had to. Whether that's France or the Philippines.
As for buying local, I'm all for it. Buy British if we can. You may have to look a little harder, but you can even by a British made pressure washer for example. Not many know that, I didn't until I looked. As for food, I grow a lot of my own, tend to buy meat produced in the UK. Vegetables very often local. Seasonal that's the deciding factor. But what we can't produce we can buy from elsewhere, whether German dishwashers or Californian wine. More choice. This won't happen overnight, it will take time for new deals to be put in place and the benefits to come through. Just one size fits all no longer applies.
Okay, so you think that the problem is the EU introduced tariffs that encouraged people to buy from within the EU. And hence buy more local, comparatively speaking?
And that we, as a single country, can negotiate better trade agreements than the EU, a much larger, more powerful trading block? (This hasn't proven to be true so far, most of the deals seem to be the exact same as what we had).
Also, we were part of the EU, so "they" weren't dictating to "Us". We were at the decision making table. Now we're not, but still have to abide by their rules to trade freely with them.
The more choice of where the dishwasher is made, as your example, seems like an extremely tenuous Brexit benefit.
As usual you misquote and twist to your own agenda or simply don't read properly.
All this being on the inside rarely helped us. We would be outvoted by counties looking after their own interests. We were never welcome when we joined the trading block and that has never changed. I'm sure 'they' breathed a sigh of relief on the 31st too.
I believe I said, whether dishwashers from Germany or Californian wine, which was a generalisation.
As for you saying deals are the same as with the EU, yes many of them are and if you actually take an interest in what has happened over the last year, we have done many 'roll over' deals until we can negotiate freely with other countries, which we now can, but also as previously said this will take time. Only the very stupid would expect this to happen overnight.
Can we negotiate a better deal than a large trading block? What we can do is negotiate a trade deal that is relevant to us, so from that perspective, yes it would be better for us.
There is a difference in buying local and being protectionist. Spain isn't local to us, so I wouldn't suggest that is buying local. Closer, perhaps than many other countries, but not local. If it's cheaper or more beneficial to buy produce from Spain or from the EU, so be it, I don't have a problem with that. But if we can buy a better product elsewhere then why not?
Dont think I've ever seen someone write so many words but say nothing. One thing to remember when you think the uk has a bit of influence in trade deals is the EU and Ireland told us 5 years ago we would have a border down the irish sea and in spite of years of denial from the Tories guess where the border is ?
That is the fault of the EU. They made it political, we were happy for the border to continue as was. They wanted to put up a border, not us. To put it on the island would have taken the country backwards.
EXACTLY we were happy to continue as it was the EU said no we said ok we surrender showed a lot of weakness tocountries we intend to do deals with. "your going strong on not talking about the eu is it still 74% lol | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You're correct in thinking that we could buy products outside of the EU prior to the 31st, but very often because of the tarrifs imposed by the EU it was uneconomical to do so. Now we are free to introduce our own tarrifs if we choose to do so or not as the case maybe. If they are detrimental to us then I guess we don't. But that's is now our choice, not dictated to by others whereby there is no benefit to us. Others seem to be fixated on oranges, a tarrif on an orange seems to be of no benefit to us as we do not produce them, whereas counties undercutting Spain in the EU for example can't because Spain is protected by import duties.
You seem to be under the impression that I and others don't want to trade with the EU. For myself that's never been the case, I just think there is more opportunities other than on our doorstep. As an Island nation we've always traded with countries from around the world, we've had to. Whether that's France or the Philippines.
As for buying local, I'm all for it. Buy British if we can. You may have to look a little harder, but you can even by a British made pressure washer for example. Not many know that, I didn't until I looked. As for food, I grow a lot of my own, tend to buy meat produced in the UK. Vegetables very often local. Seasonal that's the deciding factor. But what we can't produce we can buy from elsewhere, whether German dishwashers or Californian wine. More choice. This won't happen overnight, it will take time for new deals to be put in place and the benefits to come through. Just one size fits all no longer applies.
Okay, so you think that the problem is the EU introduced tariffs that encouraged people to buy from within the EU. And hence buy more local, comparatively speaking?
And that we, as a single country, can negotiate better trade agreements than the EU, a much larger, more powerful trading block? (This hasn't proven to be true so far, most of the deals seem to be the exact same as what we had).
Also, we were part of the EU, so "they" weren't dictating to "Us". We were at the decision making table. Now we're not, but still have to abide by their rules to trade freely with them.
The more choice of where the dishwasher is made, as your example, seems like an extremely tenuous Brexit benefit.
As usual you misquote and twist to your own agenda or simply don't read properly.
All this being on the inside rarely helped us. We would be outvoted by counties looking after their own interests. We were never welcome when we joined the trading block and that has never changed. I'm sure 'they' breathed a sigh of relief on the 31st too.
I believe I said, whether dishwashers from Germany or Californian wine, which was a generalisation.
As for you saying deals are the same as with the EU, yes many of them are and if you actually take an interest in what has happened over the last year, we have done many 'roll over' deals until we can negotiate freely with other countries, which we now can, but also as previously said this will take time. Only the very stupid would expect this to happen overnight.
Can we negotiate a better deal than a large trading block? What we can do is negotiate a trade deal that is relevant to us, so from that perspective, yes it would be better for us.
There is a difference in buying local and being protectionist. Spain isn't local to us, so I wouldn't suggest that is buying local. Closer, perhaps than many other countries, but not local. If it's cheaper or more beneficial to buy produce from Spain or from the EU, so be it, I don't have a problem with that. But if we can buy a better product elsewhere then why not?
Dont think I've ever seen someone write so many words but say nothing. One thing to remember when you think the uk has a bit of influence in trade deals is the EU and Ireland told us 5 years ago we would have a border down the irish sea and in spite of years of denial from the Tories guess where the border is ?
That is the fault of the EU. They made it political, we were happy for the border to continue as was. They wanted to put up a border, not us. To put it on the island would have taken the country backwards.
EXACTLY we were happy to continue as it was the EU said no we said ok we surrender showed a lot of weakness tocountries we intend to do deals with. your going strong on not talking about the eu is it still 74% lol"Still not a fraction on yours. | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You're correct in thinking that we could buy products outside of the EU prior to the 31st, but very often because of the tarrifs imposed by the EU it was uneconomical to do so. Now we are free to introduce our own tarrifs if we choose to do so or not as the case maybe. If they are detrimental to us then I guess we don't. But that's is now our choice, not dictated to by others whereby there is no benefit to us. Others seem to be fixated on oranges, a tarrif on an orange seems to be of no benefit to us as we do not produce them, whereas counties undercutting Spain in the EU for example can't because Spain is protected by import duties.
You seem to be under the impression that I and others don't want to trade with the EU. For myself that's never been the case, I just think there is more opportunities other than on our doorstep. As an Island nation we've always traded with countries from around the world, we've had to. Whether that's France or the Philippines.
As for buying local, I'm all for it. Buy British if we can. You may have to look a little harder, but you can even by a British made pressure washer for example. Not many know that, I didn't until I looked. As for food, I grow a lot of my own, tend to buy meat produced in the UK. Vegetables very often local. Seasonal that's the deciding factor. But what we can't produce we can buy from elsewhere, whether German dishwashers or Californian wine. More choice. This won't happen overnight, it will take time for new deals to be put in place and the benefits to come through. Just one size fits all no longer applies.
Okay, so you think that the problem is the EU introduced tariffs that encouraged people to buy from within the EU. And hence buy more local, comparatively speaking?
And that we, as a single country, can negotiate better trade agreements than the EU, a much larger, more powerful trading block? (This hasn't proven to be true so far, most of the deals seem to be the exact same as what we had).
Also, we were part of the EU, so "they" weren't dictating to "Us". We were at the decision making table. Now we're not, but still have to abide by their rules to trade freely with them.
The more choice of where the dishwasher is made, as your example, seems like an extremely tenuous Brexit benefit.
As usual you misquote and twist to your own agenda or simply don't read properly.
All this being on the inside rarely helped us. We would be outvoted by counties looking after their own interests. We were never welcome when we joined the trading block and that has never changed. I'm sure 'they' breathed a sigh of relief on the 31st too.
I believe I said, whether dishwashers from Germany or Californian wine, which was a generalisation.
As for you saying deals are the same as with the EU, yes many of them are and if you actually take an interest in what has happened over the last year, we have done many 'roll over' deals until we can negotiate freely with other countries, which we now can, but also as previously said this will take time. Only the very stupid would expect this to happen overnight.
Can we negotiate a better deal than a large trading block? What we can do is negotiate a trade deal that is relevant to us, so from that perspective, yes it would be better for us.
There is a difference in buying local and being protectionist. Spain isn't local to us, so I wouldn't suggest that is buying local. Closer, perhaps than many other countries, but not local. If it's cheaper or more beneficial to buy produce from Spain or from the EU, so be it, I don't have a problem with that. But if we can buy a better product elsewhere then why not?
Dont think I've ever seen someone write so many words but say nothing. One thing to remember when you think the uk has a bit of influence in trade deals is the EU and Ireland told us 5 years ago we would have a border down the irish sea and in spite of years of denial from the Tories guess where the border is ?
That is the fault of the EU. They made it political, we were happy for the border to continue as was. They wanted to put up a border, not us. To put it on the island would have taken the country backwards.
EXACTLY we were happy to continue as it was the EU said no we said ok we surrender showed a lot of weakness tocountries we intend to do deals with. your going strong on not talking about the eu is it still 74% lol
Still not a fraction on yours."as I thought you can’t count then lol 74% pmsl | |||
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You're correct in thinking that we could buy products outside of the EU prior to the 31st, but very often because of the tarrifs imposed by the EU it was uneconomical to do so. Now we are free to introduce our own tarrifs if we choose to do so or not as the case maybe. If they are detrimental to us then I guess we don't. But that's is now our choice, not dictated to by others whereby there is no benefit to us. Others seem to be fixated on oranges, a tarrif on an orange seems to be of no benefit to us as we do not produce them, whereas counties undercutting Spain in the EU for example can't because Spain is protected by import duties.
You seem to be under the impression that I and others don't want to trade with the EU. For myself that's never been the case, I just think there is more opportunities other than on our doorstep. As an Island nation we've always traded with countries from around the world, we've had to. Whether that's France or the Philippines.
As for buying local, I'm all for it. Buy British if we can. You may have to look a little harder, but you can even by a British made pressure washer for example. Not many know that, I didn't until I looked. As for food, I grow a lot of my own, tend to buy meat produced in the UK. Vegetables very often local. Seasonal that's the deciding factor. But what we can't produce we can buy from elsewhere, whether German dishwashers or Californian wine. More choice. This won't happen overnight, it will take time for new deals to be put in place and the benefits to come through. Just one size fits all no longer applies.
Okay, so you think that the problem is the EU introduced tariffs that encouraged people to buy from within the EU. And hence buy more local, comparatively speaking?
And that we, as a single country, can negotiate better trade agreements than the EU, a much larger, more powerful trading block? (This hasn't proven to be true so far, most of the deals seem to be the exact same as what we had).
Also, we were part of the EU, so "they" weren't dictating to "Us". We were at the decision making table. Now we're not, but still have to abide by their rules to trade freely with them.
The more choice of where the dishwasher is made, as your example, seems like an extremely tenuous Brexit benefit.
As usual you misquote and twist to your own agenda or simply don't read properly.
All this being on the inside rarely helped us. We would be outvoted by counties looking after their own interests. We were never welcome when we joined the trading block and that has never changed. I'm sure 'they' breathed a sigh of relief on the 31st too.
I believe I said, whether dishwashers from Germany or Californian wine, which was a generalisation.
As for you saying deals are the same as with the EU, yes many of them are and if you actually take an interest in what has happened over the last year, we have done many 'roll over' deals until we can negotiate freely with other countries, which we now can, but also as previously said this will take time. Only the very stupid would expect this to happen overnight.
Can we negotiate a better deal than a large trading block? What we can do is negotiate a trade deal that is relevant to us, so from that perspective, yes it would be better for us.
There is a difference in buying local and being protectionist. Spain isn't local to us, so I wouldn't suggest that is buying local. Closer, perhaps than many other countries, but not local. If it's cheaper or more beneficial to buy produce from Spain or from the EU, so be it, I don't have a problem with that. But if we can buy a better product elsewhere then why not?
Dont think I've ever seen someone write so many words but say nothing. One thing to remember when you think the uk has a bit of influence in trade deals is the EU and Ireland told us 5 years ago we would have a border down the irish sea and in spite of years of denial from the Tories guess where the border is ?
That is the fault of the EU. They made it political, we were happy for the border to continue as was. They wanted to put up a border, not us. To put it on the island would have taken the country backwards.
EXACTLY we were happy to continue as it was the EU said no we said ok we surrender showed a lot of weakness tocountries we intend to do deals with. your going strong on not talking about the eu is it still 74% lol
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"Must say I'm quiet offended by some of the earlier posts, have we not got any better ideas on being self sufficient with this brexit fisasço about to squeeze the life out of us. it’s you who’s panicking what are you going to do by the sounds of it it be foodbamks for you mate Foxi this is what the post is about finding ways we can become self sufficient as brexit makes us a lot poorer, I'm not sure how many more the food banks can feed there feeding millions already., any good ideas ?Why do we need to be self sufficient? there is a whole world out there it doesn't stop at the outskirts of europe. Well unlike the average brexiteer it's best not to bury your head too far into the sand , so your suggesting some fruit from Vietnam that sort of thing ? One chap yesterday said that chucking some fruit and veg on tourist flights from South Africa was the answer. Still. Anything's better than buying it for less, from closer countries. yep we can’t get fruit and veg from Europe now lol
Who said that?
I can't remember the username for South-Africa-Food-on-a-tourist-plane guy. But if he's watching maybe he can tell you why he thinks we can't/shouldn't buy food from the EU.
As you asked!
One of the reasons I stopped posting is because you seem to have little knowledge of what is actually being discussed. Passenger flights already and possibly always have bought in perishables in their hold. It's not all suitcases.
Another reason I haven't posted is because you either don't read or just interpret to your own agenda and misrepresent what was being said. Now where have I heard that before?
I, for instance never said we couldn't or shouldn't buy from the EU. What I actually said was, we no longer have to buy from the protectionist EU and can buy from wherever we now choose. That may well be oranges from Spain or bananas from the canaries, but the market will dictate or rather the supermarkets whether they wish to buy from within the EU or from outside. South Africa was just one country. Another point is foods being bought out of season, strawberries in December. If the consumer
wants them why shouldn't they pay a premium? It's not a necessity, we can survive without.
Oh and by the way, can't remember whether it was on this thread, but I had a very nice bottle of pink champagne for Christmas from a producer, about three miles away. Just think of the co2 saved by not importing it!
You seem to be suggesting that we were unable to buy from outside of the EU while we were in the EU.
Which simply isn't true.
Good job on buying local. Wouldn't you want to buy as local as possible all the time, why only certain items?
You're correct in thinking that we could buy products outside of the EU prior to the 31st, but very often because of the tarrifs imposed by the EU it was uneconomical to do so. Now we are free to introduce our own tarrifs if we choose to do so or not as the case maybe. If they are detrimental to us then I guess we don't. But that's is now our choice, not dictated to by others whereby there is no benefit to us. Others seem to be fixated on oranges, a tarrif on an orange seems to be of no benefit to us as we do not produce them, whereas counties undercutting Spain in the EU for example can't because Spain is protected by import duties.
You seem to be under the impression that I and others don't want to trade with the EU. For myself that's never been the case, I just think there is more opportunities other than on our doorstep. As an Island nation we've always traded with countries from around the world, we've had to. Whether that's France or the Philippines.
As for buying local, I'm all for it. Buy British if we can. You may have to look a little harder, but you can even by a British made pressure washer for example. Not many know that, I didn't until I looked. As for food, I grow a lot of my own, tend to buy meat produced in the UK. Vegetables very often local. Seasonal that's the deciding factor. But what we can't produce we can buy from elsewhere, whether German dishwashers or Californian wine. More choice. This won't happen overnight, it will take time for new deals to be put in place and the benefits to come through. Just one size fits all no longer applies.
Okay, so you think that the problem is the EU introduced tariffs that encouraged people to buy from within the EU. And hence buy more local, comparatively speaking?
And that we, as a single country, can negotiate better trade agreements than the EU, a much larger, more powerful trading block? (This hasn't proven to be true so far, most of the deals seem to be the exact same as what we had).
Also, we were part of the EU, so "they" weren't dictating to "Us". We were at the decision making table. Now we're not, but still have to abide by their rules to trade freely with them.
The more choice of where the dishwasher is made, as your example, seems like an extremely tenuous Brexit benefit.
As usual you misquote and twist to your own agenda or simply don't read properly.
All this being on the inside rarely helped us. We would be outvoted by counties looking after their own interests. We were never welcome when we joined the trading block and that has never changed. I'm sure 'they' breathed a sigh of relief on the 31st too.
I believe I said, whether dishwashers from Germany or Californian wine, which was a generalisation.
As for you saying deals are the same as with the EU, yes many of them are and if you actually take an interest in what has happened over the last year, we have done many 'roll over' deals until we can negotiate freely with other countries, which we now can, but also as previously said this will take time. Only the very stupid would expect this to happen overnight.
Can we negotiate a better deal than a large trading block? What we can do is negotiate a trade deal that is relevant to us, so from that perspective, yes it would be better for us.
There is a difference in buying local and being protectionist. Spain isn't local to us, so I wouldn't suggest that is buying local. Closer, perhaps than many other countries, but not local. If it's cheaper or more beneficial to buy produce from Spain or from the EU, so be it, I don't have a problem with that. But if we can buy a better product elsewhere then why not?
Dont think I've ever seen someone write so many words but say nothing. One thing to remember when you think the uk has a bit of influence in trade deals is the EU and Ireland told us 5 years ago we would have a border down the irish sea and in spite of years of denial from the Tories guess where the border is ?
That is the fault of the EU. They made it political, we were happy for the border to continue as was. They wanted to put up a border, not us. To put it on the island would have taken the country backwards.
EXACTLY we were happy to continue as it was the EU said no we said ok we surrender showed a lot of weakness tocountries we intend to do deals with. your going strong on not talking about the eu is it still 74% lol
Still not a fraction on yours.as I thought you can’t count then lol 74% pmsl
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