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"To be honest it doesn't really matter to me who is telling porkies . What is more in my thoughts is the bigger picture here. Wee Nic said he is simply trying to divert attention away from what he was actually accused of doing ie the sexual harassment claims. This means Salmond, the staunch indy supporter and lover of Scotland would happily screw over wee nic just to save face ? . If he is telling the truth wee nic may have to resign. What amount of harm would that do to the indy cause. I said last week wee nic could get Scottish independence then feck off to another country with her name written in history while Scotland wallowed in chaos. She wouldn't care in my opinion. Just like Salmond is doing now , looking after himself even if it could fuck up scotlands independence chances. There all a shower of bams." The indy movement is way bigger than NS or AS or indeed the snp. The snp is only the vehicle to get us an indy scotland versus 3 London registered yoon parties. There is no such party as Scottish tories, Scottish Labour or Scottish Lib Dem’s. For what it’s worth both Murrel’s should step aside now. Salmond was acquitted, any individual worth their salt would show the contrived endeavours of those that conspired against them. | |||
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" The indy movement is way bigger than NS or AS or indeed the snp. " Thats exactly my point , wouldn't say its bigger than the snp as that's the driving force behind it. Without the snp there is simply no indy. My point was more , when push comes to shove, individuals ie Alex would rather screw over Ns than let the Snp continue with a clean image and keep all their support. Any scandal would be detrimental to Independence in my view. Back to the original question though, the truth always comes out in the end and I actually believe salmond | |||
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" The indy movement is way bigger than NS or AS or indeed the snp. Thats exactly my point , wouldn't say its bigger than the snp as that's the driving force behind it. Without the snp there is simply no indy. My point was more , when push comes to shove, individuals ie Alex would rather screw over Ns than let the Snp continue with a clean image and keep all their support. Any scandal would be detrimental to Independence in my view. Back to the original question though, the truth always comes out in the end and I actually believe salmond " Circa 100,00 snp members so the indy movement is massively bigger than the snp. 1.6 million yes votes in 2014. I could name literally hundreds of scandals. Nobody within the movement actually gives a fuck. Due process will happen so I’ll let it play out before naming who I’d like to take the wheel next  | |||
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"To be honest it doesn't really matter to me who is telling porkies . What is more in my thoughts is the bigger picture here. Wee Nic said he is simply trying to divert attention away from what he was actually accused of doing ie the sexual harassment claims. This means Salmond, the staunch indy supporter and lover of Scotland would happily screw over wee nic just to save face ? . If he is telling the truth wee nic may have to resign. What amount of harm would that do to the indy cause. I said last week wee nic could get Scottish independence then feck off to another country with her name written in history while Scotland wallowed in chaos. She wouldn't care in my opinion. Just like Salmond is doing now , looking after himself even if it could fuck up scotlands independence chances. There all a shower of bams." If independence was so unpopular why did so much many people vote for her? | |||
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"To be honest it doesn't really matter to me who is telling porkies . What is more in my thoughts is the bigger picture here. Wee Nic said he is simply trying to divert attention away from what he was actually accused of doing ie the sexual harassment claims. This means Salmond, the staunch indy supporter and lover of Scotland would happily screw over wee nic just to save face ? . If he is telling the truth wee nic may have to resign. What amount of harm would that do to the indy cause. I said last week wee nic could get Scottish independence then feck off to another country with her name written in history while Scotland wallowed in chaos. She wouldn't care in my opinion. Just like Salmond is doing now , looking after himself even if it could fuck up scotlands independence chances. There all a shower of bams. If independence was so unpopular why did so much many people vote for her?" You need to re read my post , I never said indy was unpopular however you are kind of confirming my post. They voted her because she is fighting for it tooth and nail. | |||
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"To be honest it doesn't really matter to me who is telling porkies . What is more in my thoughts is the bigger picture here. Wee Nic said he is simply trying to divert attention away from what he was actually accused of doing ie the sexual harassment claims. This means Salmond, the staunch indy supporter and lover of Scotland would happily screw over wee nic just to save face ? . If he is telling the truth wee nic may have to resign. What amount of harm would that do to the indy cause. I said last week wee nic could get Scottish independence then feck off to another country with her name written in history while Scotland wallowed in chaos. She wouldn't care in my opinion. Just like Salmond is doing now , looking after himself even if it could fuck up scotlands independence chances. There all a shower of bams." politicians in if for themselves....no i dont belive it lol | |||
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"To be honest it doesn't really matter to me who is telling porkies . What is more in my thoughts is the bigger picture here. Wee Nic said he is simply trying to divert attention away from what he was actually accused of doing ie the sexual harassment claims. This means Salmond, the staunch indy supporter and lover of Scotland would happily screw over wee nic just to save face ? . If he is telling the truth wee nic may have to resign. What amount of harm would that do to the indy cause. I said last week wee nic could get Scottish independence then feck off to another country with her name written in history while Scotland wallowed in chaos. She wouldn't care in my opinion. Just like Salmond is doing now , looking after himself even if it could fuck up scotlands independence chances. There all a shower of bams. If independence was so unpopular why did so much many people vote for her? You need to re read my post , I never said indy was unpopular however you are kind of confirming my post. They voted her because she is fighting for it tooth and nail. " Actually within the movement she’s not fighting enough for it hence why folk want change. | |||
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"To be honest it doesn't really matter to me who is telling porkies . What is more in my thoughts is the bigger picture here. Wee Nic said he is simply trying to divert attention away from what he was actually accused of doing ie the sexual harassment claims. This means Salmond, the staunch indy supporter and lover of Scotland would happily screw over wee nic just to save face ? . If he is telling the truth wee nic may have to resign. What amount of harm would that do to the indy cause. I said last week wee nic could get Scottish independence then feck off to another country with her name written in history while Scotland wallowed in chaos. She wouldn't care in my opinion. Just like Salmond is doing now , looking after himself even if it could fuck up scotlands independence chances. There all a shower of bams. politicians in if for themselves....no i dont belive it lol" It does take a vivid imagination but rumours are yes they are in it for themselves | |||
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"Isn’t it just a distraction? The SNP have a one policy view on life. If they did a better job of running Scotland they would romp it 100% " Think you are a bit too distracted from events in Scotland to comment. No party ever in a democratic society wins 100% of the vote- which planet are you on? | |||
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"To be honest it doesn't really matter to me who is telling porkies . What is more in my thoughts is the bigger picture here. Wee Nic said he is simply trying to divert attention away from what he was actually accused of doing ie the sexual harassment claims. This means Salmond, the staunch indy supporter and lover of Scotland would happily screw over wee nic just to save face ? . If he is telling the truth wee nic may have to resign. What amount of harm would that do to the indy cause. I said last week wee nic could get Scottish independence then feck off to another country with her name written in history while Scotland wallowed in chaos. She wouldn't care in my opinion. Just like Salmond is doing now , looking after himself even if it could fuck up scotlands independence chances. There all a shower of bams."  | |||
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"Isn’t it just a distraction? The SNP have a one policy view on life. If they did a better job of running Scotland they would romp it 100% Think you are a bit too distracted from events in Scotland to comment. No party ever in a democratic society wins 100% of the vote- which planet are you on?" Think 50% of my family being Scott’s means I know more than you. 100% romp it not 100% of the vote . Read the post again. | |||
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"Salmond is my guess." Alex needs to just let go and slip off into the sunset. He had his time and moment. Whilst he was/is politically astute he never really got the level of support from the Scottish people that Nicola has. Ps your a hottie. | |||
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"Scott? Your English is somewhat inexact and so your meaning is lost. In fact, what I said still stands- no party gets 100% of anything in a democracy. Having relatives in the country but living in another country doesn’t really qualify you for anything . "So you pull a typo and a grammatical error in 100% I have a house in Scotland does that help? | |||
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"Scott? Your English is somewhat inexact and so your meaning is lost. In fact, what I said still stands- no party gets 100% of anything in a democracy. Having relatives in the country but living in another country doesn’t really qualify you for anything .
So you pull a typo and a grammatical error in 100%
I have a house in Scotland does that help?
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"Scott? Your English is somewhat inexact and so your meaning is lost. In fact, what I said still stands- no party gets 100% of anything in a democracy. Having relatives in the country but living in another country doesn’t really qualify you for anything .
So you pull a typo and a grammatical error in 100%
I have a house in Scotland does that help?
Oh and it’s my main family home just so you know!!
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"Only those living in Scotland could vote. Media reporting of Scottish politics beyond its borders is such that you need multiple sources for the correct information. Education and drug issues are thrown about as failing and being entirely a failure of SNP. Education is a muddle but not failing. Drug laws are not devolved so Westminster controls and has refused to implement SNP policies aiming to reduce drug deaths." Do you not need multiple sources if you live in Scotland? | |||
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"The SNP are a bit like UKIP They have one focus with their agenda, which waters down all the other issues facing Scotland such as the rampant drug abuse in some of the major cities or the once world renowned education standards which are continually slipping. If the SNP got their way and independence was achieved my opinion is they would have to be recruit leaders with more ability and a broader agenda. " Yes very true. The SNP need to show that Scotland will benefit from not being run by Westminster in all areas and so far have failed | |||
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"The SNP are a bit like UKIP They have one focus with their agenda, which waters down all the other issues facing Scotland such as the rampant drug abuse in some of the major cities or the once world renowned education standards which are continually slipping. If the SNP got their way and independence was achieved my opinion is they would have to be recruit leaders with more ability and a broader agenda. Yes very true. The SNP need to show that Scotland will benefit from not being run by Westminster in all areas and so far have failed" In what way? | |||
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"The SNP are a bit like UKIP They have one focus with their agenda, which waters down all the other issues facing Scotland such as the rampant drug abuse in some of the major cities or the once world renowned education standards which are continually slipping. If the SNP got their way and independence was achieved my opinion is they would have to be recruit leaders with more ability and a broader agenda. Yes very true. The SNP need to show that Scotland will benefit from not being run by Westminster in all areas and so far have failed" If anything the opposite is true with Scotland having lowest covid counts on all metrics and London out of control looks like westminister needs a nicola in charge. | |||
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"Only those living in Scotland could vote. Media reporting of Scottish politics beyond its borders is such that you need multiple sources for the correct information. Education and drug issues are thrown about as failing and being entirely a failure of SNP. Education is a muddle but not failing. Drug laws are not devolved so Westminster controls and has refused to implement SNP policies aiming to reduce drug deaths. Do you not need multiple sources if you live in Scotland? " With some things, yes. However, not from the newspapers, who run their own agenda or indeed, the BBC at times. It’s very evident however, that Scottish media present a much more rounded picture of the facts whereas the English media pick sound bites and run with them whether factual or not. It sells papers and brings listeners but it beguiles the English into disbelieving the likelihood of separation | |||
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"Only those living in Scotland could vote. Media reporting of Scottish politics beyond its borders is such that you need multiple sources for the correct information. Education and drug issues are thrown about as failing and being entirely a failure of SNP. Education is a muddle but not failing. Drug laws are not devolved so Westminster controls and has refused to implement SNP policies aiming to reduce drug deaths. Do you not need multiple sources if you live in Scotland? With some things, yes. However, not from the newspapers, who run their own agenda or indeed, the BBC at times. It’s very evident however, that Scottish media present a much more rounded picture of the facts whereas the English media pick sound bites and run with them whether factual or not. It sells papers and brings listeners but it beguiles the English into disbelieving the likelihood of separation " So. Do you really believe that Sturgeon forgot that a Salmond aide visited her at her home? | |||
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"Only those living in Scotland could vote. Media reporting of Scottish politics beyond its borders is such that you need multiple sources for the correct information. Education and drug issues are thrown about as failing and being entirely a failure of SNP. Education is a muddle but not failing. Drug laws are not devolved so Westminster controls and has refused to implement SNP policies aiming to reduce drug deaths. Do you not need multiple sources if you live in Scotland? With some things, yes. However, not from the newspapers, who run their own agenda or indeed, the BBC at times. It’s very evident however, that Scottish media present a much more rounded picture of the facts whereas the English media pick sound bites and run with them whether factual or not. It sells papers and brings listeners but it beguiles the English into disbelieving the likelihood of separation So. Do you really believe that Sturgeon forgot that a Salmond aide visited her at her home? " I'd imagine nicola is very popular and extremely busy who meets hundreds of people many who visit her not sure if it's possible to remember everyone  | |||
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"Only those living in Scotland could vote. Media reporting of Scottish politics beyond its borders is such that you need multiple sources for the correct information. Education and drug issues are thrown about as failing and being entirely a failure of SNP. Education is a muddle but not failing. Drug laws are not devolved so Westminster controls and has refused to implement SNP policies aiming to reduce drug deaths. Do you not need multiple sources if you live in Scotland? With some things, yes. However, not from the newspapers, who run their own agenda or indeed, the BBC at times. It’s very evident however, that Scottish media present a much more rounded picture of the facts whereas the English media pick sound bites and run with them whether factual or not. It sells papers and brings listeners but it beguiles the English into disbelieving the likelihood of separation So. Do you really believe that Sturgeon forgot that a Salmond aide visited her at her home? I'd imagine nicola is very popular and extremely busy who meets hundreds of people many who visit her not sure if it's possible to remember everyone " ffs | |||
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"Only those living in Scotland could vote. Media reporting of Scottish politics beyond its borders is such that you need multiple sources for the correct information. Education and drug issues are thrown about as failing and being entirely a failure of SNP. Education is a muddle but not failing. Drug laws are not devolved so Westminster controls and has refused to implement SNP policies aiming to reduce drug deaths. Do you not need multiple sources if you live in Scotland? With some things, yes. However, not from the newspapers, who run their own agenda or indeed, the BBC at times. It’s very evident however, that Scottish media present a much more rounded picture of the facts whereas the English media pick sound bites and run with them whether factual or not. It sells papers and brings listeners but it beguiles the English into disbelieving the likelihood of separation So. Do you really believe that Sturgeon forgot that a Salmond aide visited her at her home? I'd imagine nicola is very popular and extremely busy who meets hundreds of people many who visit her not sure if it's possible to remember everyone
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"Only those living in Scotland could vote. Media reporting of Scottish politics beyond its borders is such that you need multiple sources for the correct information. Education and drug issues are thrown about as failing and being entirely a failure of SNP. Education is a muddle but not failing. Drug laws are not devolved so Westminster controls and has refused to implement SNP policies aiming to reduce drug deaths. Do you not need multiple sources if you live in Scotland? With some things, yes. However, not from the newspapers, who run their own agenda or indeed, the BBC at times. It’s very evident however, that Scottish media present a much more rounded picture of the facts whereas the English media pick sound bites and run with them whether factual or not. It sells papers and brings listeners but it beguiles the English into disbelieving the likelihood of separation So. Do you really believe that Sturgeon forgot that a Salmond aide visited her at her home? I'd imagine nicola is very popular and extremely busy who meets hundreds of people many who visit her not sure if it's possible to remember everyone
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Your looking at things from your point of view, no one visits, but nicola has a country to run and will meet thousands of people making it impossible to remember everyone, but feel free to waffle on "No. I'm being realistic. Do you seriously think she would have forgotten a visit and a discussion about such a sensitive subject? I don't know why you are trying to defend her, it's a ridiculous excuse | |||
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"Only those living in Scotland could vote. Media reporting of Scottish politics beyond its borders is such that you need multiple sources for the correct information. Education and drug issues are thrown about as failing and being entirely a failure of SNP. Education is a muddle but not failing. Drug laws are not devolved so Westminster controls and has refused to implement SNP policies aiming to reduce drug deaths. Do you not need multiple sources if you live in Scotland? With some things, yes. However, not from the newspapers, who run their own agenda or indeed, the BBC at times. It’s very evident however, that Scottish media present a much more rounded picture of the facts whereas the English media pick sound bites and run with them whether factual or not. It sells papers and brings listeners but it beguiles the English into disbelieving the likelihood of separation So. Do you really believe that Sturgeon forgot that a Salmond aide visited her at her home? I'd imagine nicola is very popular and extremely busy who meets hundreds of people many who visit her not sure if it's possible to remember everyone
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No. I'm being realistic. Do you seriously think she would have forgotten a visit and a discussion about such a sensitive subject? I don't know why you are trying to defend her, it's a ridiculous excuse " | |||
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"Only those living in Scotland could vote. Media reporting of Scottish politics beyond its borders is such that you need multiple sources for the correct information. Education and drug issues are thrown about as failing and being entirely a failure of SNP. Education is a muddle but not failing. Drug laws are not devolved so Westminster controls and has refused to implement SNP policies aiming to reduce drug deaths." I didn’t blame the SNP for the drug and education issues. As you say health is controlled from Westminster but there is local control of programmes which can be supported locally. The education is falling with two thirds of subjects dropping in levels of attainment and the issue is the SNP talk about it but don’t seem to actually address it. Being English I wouldn’t be so a rude to attempt to look into voting. Scottish media I agree does seem to be better balanced and more informative in general. We are far too tabloid and opinion based in England. If Scotland leaves the union and rejoins the EU I will definitely be having a passport though. Love my free movement. I think Nichola would have lots of visitors and remember vey few. The subject in this case makes me think it would definitely stay in her mind. | |||
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"The SNP are a bit like UKIP They have one focus with their agenda, which waters down all the other issues facing Scotland such as the rampant drug abuse in some of the major cities or the once world renowned education standards which are continually slipping. If the SNP got their way and independence was achieved my opinion is they would have to be recruit leaders with more ability and a broader agenda. Yes very true. The SNP need to show that Scotland will benefit from not being run by Westminster in all areas and so far have failed In what way?" A Scottish work colleague of mine in the most part wants independence but fears for the countries future. He put forward an idea where for a set period of time say 2 to 3 years the SNP have full control of everything. They only can spend money they raise with no assistance from the rest of the UK just like an independent country. The only thing the UK pay for would be the nuke sub base. Bit like a try before you buy. I doubt such a mechanism exists though | |||
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"How would that work unless there’s was a full control of laws, monetary policy and tax returns? I don’t see that happening as it’s in nobody’s interests. There would be a transition time of perhaps 2 years before full handover !and I imagine it’d be rough. " Have to establish their own independent central bank and currency before thinking about being able to any of these other things. | |||
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"How would that work unless there’s was a full control of laws, monetary policy and tax returns? I don’t see that happening as it’s in nobody’s interests. There would be a transition time of perhaps 2 years before full handover !and I imagine it’d be rough. " Yes they would have full control over raising and spending money with no assistance from the UK to replicate as much as possible how it would be if independent. Not having their own currency is not easy to replicate though. I think it could be in their interest to show voters they can or cannot prosper | |||
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"It’s an interesting idea but completely unworkable. Westminster would suffer considerably from the drop in revenue, businesses would have no idea what cross border trading tariffs would be, other countries would look at the U.K. and hold back on any inward investment to any of the U.K. countries, no trade deals could be made with any other country outside the U.K. etc etc. In short, everything would stand still. Then what.... ?" Yes it was a bit of fantasy politics and for the reasons you mention plus probably many more not workable | |||
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"Only those living in Scotland could vote. Media reporting of Scottish politics beyond its borders is such that you need multiple sources for the correct information. Education and drug issues are thrown about as failing and being entirely a failure of SNP. Education is a muddle but not failing. Drug laws are not devolved so Westminster controls and has refused to implement SNP policies aiming to reduce drug deaths. Do you not need multiple sources if you live in Scotland? With some things, yes. However, not from the newspapers, who run their own agenda or indeed, the BBC at times. It’s very evident however, that Scottish media present a much more rounded picture of the facts whereas the English media pick sound bites and run with them whether factual or not. It sells papers and brings listeners but it beguiles the English into disbelieving the likelihood of separation " who buys newspapers these days? its likely you are all reading the same or similar media online | |||
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"When you shake the Tree: https://news.sky.com/story/nicola-sturgeon-faces-more-questions-over-alex-salmond-bullying-claims-after-internal-emails-leaked-12192267" It's apparently more of a story than having the biggest death rate in the world. Completely baffling why the gmnt never question the impartiality of sky. | |||
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"When you shake the Tree: https://news.sky.com/story/nicola-sturgeon-faces-more-questions-over-alex-salmond-bullying-claims-after-internal-emails-leaked-12192267 It's apparently more of a story than having the biggest death rate in the world. Completely baffling why the gmnt never question the impartiality of sky." Why would it be more of a story? Are you saying sky is promoting it over Covid rates? | |||
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"When you shake the Tree: https://news.sky.com/story/nicola-sturgeon-faces-more-questions-over-alex-salmond-bullying-claims-after-internal-emails-leaked-12192267 It's apparently more of a story than having the biggest death rate in the world. Completely baffling why the gmnt never question the impartiality of sky. Why would it be more of a story? Are you saying sky is promoting it over Covid rates?" No of course not | |||
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"When you shake the Tree: https://news.sky.com/story/nicola-sturgeon-faces-more-questions-over-alex-salmond-bullying-claims-after-internal-emails-leaked-12192267" “ Analysis: This should have been a routine request - but it triggered a code red”  | |||
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"When you shake the Tree: https://news.sky.com/story/nicola-sturgeon-faces-more-questions-over-alex-salmond-bullying-claims-after-internal-emails-leaked-12192267 “ Analysis: This should have been a routine request - but it triggered a code red” "Which makes you wonder about smoke and mirrors! | |||
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"When you shake the Tree: https://news.sky.com/story/nicola-sturgeon-faces-more-questions-over-alex-salmond-bullying-claims-after-internal-emails-leaked-12192267" The SNP administration keeps the Scottish media on a very tight leash... | |||
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"When you shake the Tree: https://news.sky.com/story/nicola-sturgeon-faces-more-questions-over-alex-salmond-bullying-claims-after-internal-emails-leaked-12192267 The SNP administration keeps the Scottish media on a very tight leash..." Didnt The Scottish sun run a story about nicola taking her mask off? | |||
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" The SNP administration keeps the Scottish media on a very tight leash... Didnt The Scottish sun run a story about nicola taking her mask off?" Do remember that the sun (spit) is syndicated, so the Scottish sun (spit) is still the sun (spit). | |||
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" The SNP administration keeps the Scottish media on a very tight leash... Didnt The Scottish sun run a story about nicola taking her mask off? Do remember that the sun (spit) is syndicated, so the Scottish sun (spit) is still the sun (spit). "Still Scottish media though isnt it? | |||
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" The SNP administration keeps the Scottish media on a very tight leash... Didnt The Scottish sun run a story about nicola taking her mask off? Do remember that the sun (spit) is syndicated, so the Scottish sun (spit) is still the sun (spit).
Still Scottish media though isnt it?
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" The SNP administration keeps the Scottish media on a very tight leash... Didnt The Scottish sun run a story about nicola taking her mask off? Do remember that the sun (spit) is syndicated, so the Scottish sun (spit) is still the sun (spit).
Still Scottish media though isnt it?
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"No it’s not. " The Sun United Kingdom. "Regional editions of the newspaper for Scotland (The Scottish Sun), Northern Ireland (The Sun), and the Republic of Ireland (The Irish Sun) are published in Glasgow, Belfast, and Dublin, respectively." | |||
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