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"It’s a Brexit bonus.... the gift that keeps giving and giving..... "Yes, it is the brexit bonus. I think also it means that the products will be more expensive too. | |||
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"It’s a Brexit bonus.... the gift that keeps giving and giving..... Yes, it is the brexit bonus. I think also it means that the products will be more expensive too."You are supposed to buy British only now | |||
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"What do you think of the latest brexit news that a growing number of retailers in the eu have decided that they wont deliver to britain because of the new costs involved in sending packages after brexit? " inevitable; and was predicted only to be dismissed as fear since 2015. yet here we are | |||
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"Everything should be cheaper now with Brexit, prominent leavers said over & over again it would.... They haven't. . . . lied have they? Surely not "Give it time, we have only just left, the unicorns haven’t had chance to work their magic . | |||
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"Even exporting has now become more expensive..... The freight and mail delivery company TNT are now imposing a surcharge of £4.31 on all shipments between the UK and EU.. I can already see the response to this use a different company.... Well TNT is owned by FedEx which has also updated its charges. DHL and UPS are also doing the same... Yet another Brexit bonus..... who would have thought that Brexit had so many bonuses on offer..... "Funny nigel never mentioned that £4.31 on every delivery, still compared to the £350m a week I guess its bearable. | |||
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"Funny nigel never mentioned that £4.31 on every delivery, still compared to the £350m a week I guess its bearable." until the 81,206,497th parcel is sent  | |||
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"If only someone would have said back in 2016 that brexit was a massive waste of time and money that only benefits a small minority who are already rich." Yes and I agree with macron when he said that brexit is the product built on false promises. | |||
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"If only someone would have said back in 2016 that brexit was a massive waste of time and money that only benefits a small minority who are already rich." If only someone had said it would stop free movement and out of the ecj. Hold up they did and it has. Thumps up from me.  | |||
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"If only someone would have said back in 2016 that brexit was a massive waste of time and money that only benefits a small minority who are already rich. If only someone had said it would stop free movement and out of the ecj. Hold up they did and it has. Thumps up from me. "What is wrong with freedom of movement ? | |||
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"Funny nigel never mentioned that £4.31 on every delivery, still compared to the £350m a week I guess its bearable. until the 81,206,497th parcel is sent "I'm waiting for some brexiteers to come up with some blue sky thinking of bypassing the £4.31 cost. D.P. sounds good | |||
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"If only someone would have said back in 2016 that brexit was a massive waste of time and money that only benefits a small minority who are already rich. If only someone had said it would stop free movement and out of the ecj. Hold up they did and it has. Thumps up from me.
What is wrong with freedom of movement ? "Didn't like it, didn't want it, now it's stopped. | |||
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"If only someone would have said back in 2016 that brexit was a massive waste of time and money that only benefits a small minority who are already rich. If only someone had said it would stop free movement and out of the ecj. Hold up they did and it has. Thumps up from me.
What is wrong with freedom of movement ? "When u holiday in skegness freedom of movement doesn't matter that much  | |||
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"If only someone would have said back in 2016 that brexit was a massive waste of time and money that only benefits a small minority who are already rich. If only someone had said it would stop free movement and out of the ecj. Hold up they did and it has. Thumps up from me.
What is wrong with freedom of movement ?
Didn't like it, didn't want it, now it's stopped. "Vague answer , but I wasn’t expecting anything else , | |||
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"If only someone would have said back in 2016 that brexit was a massive waste of time and money that only benefits a small minority who are already rich. If only someone had said it would stop free movement and out of the ecj. Hold up they did and it has. Thumps up from me. "Yeah you talked before about how you swallowed the anti immigrant propaganda whole without any thought. | |||
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"If only someone would have said back in 2016 that brexit was a massive waste of time and money that only benefits a small minority who are already rich. If only someone had said it would stop free movement and out of the ecj. Hold up they did and it has. Thumps up from me.
What is wrong with freedom of movement ? "Basically its not free , just ask the tens of thousands of families that can't get houses or jobs or the even greater numbers who pay high taxes to support those freedom of movement folks while they claim benefits for kids and families that don't even reside over here. | |||
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"What do you think of the latest brexit news that a growing number of retailers in the eu have decided that they wont deliver to britain because of the new costs involved in sending packages after brexit? What will happen to the orders? Lets hope that it wont cause too much delays. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-updates-boris-johnson-sunak-b1782440.html%3famp" Is it just the Dutch bike company & the online Belgium beers company, or have say BMW Renault & Fiat made an announcement? Just checking cause I’ve just woke up as I was on nights last night x | |||
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"If only someone would have said back in 2016 that brexit was a massive waste of time and money that only benefits a small minority who are already rich. If only someone had said it would stop free movement and out of the ecj. Hold up they did and it has. Thumps up from me.
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Didn't like it, didn't want it, now it's stopped. "Not even covid has stopped free movement of people from France, but the French stopped free movement from the UK the other week, & suggested by their Gov as part of the resolve only a French person with a negative test result could return to France from the UK. & before you say anything all or most of those EUROPEAN truck drivers came through France to get to the UK. Just trying to see both sides of the debate x | |||
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"What do you think of the latest brexit news that a growing number of retailers in the eu have decided that they wont deliver to britain because of the new costs involved in sending packages after brexit? What will happen to the orders? Lets hope that it wont cause too much delays. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-updates-boris-johnson-sunak-b1782440.html%3famp" More fake news who cares. We are getting vaccine out there the ignorant EU is still talking about it be greatfull we have left | |||
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"What do you think of the latest brexit news that a growing number of retailers in the eu have decided that they wont deliver to britain because of the new costs involved in sending packages after brexit? What will happen to the orders? Lets hope that it wont cause too much delays. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-updates-boris-johnson-sunak-b1782440.html%3fampMore fake news who cares. We are getting vaccine out there the ignorant EU is still talking about it be greatfull we have left" Lol Love this guy speaks his mind like donald, says it like it isn't | |||
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"What do you think of the latest brexit news that a growing number of retailers in the eu have decided that they wont deliver to britain because of the new costs involved in sending packages after brexit? What will happen to the orders? Lets hope that it wont cause too much delays. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-updates-boris-johnson-sunak-b1782440.html%3fampMore fake news who cares. We are getting vaccine out there the ignorant EU is still talking about it be greatfull we have left" yep came across this article as to the reason why.  https://www.politico.eu/article/france-puts-down-vaccine-favouritism-allegations/
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"What do you think of the latest brexit news that a growing number of retailers in the eu have decided that they wont deliver to britain because of the new costs involved in sending packages after brexit? What will happen to the orders? Lets hope that it wont cause too much delays. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-updates-boris-johnson-sunak-b1782440.html%3fampMore fake news who cares. We are getting vaccine out there the ignorant EU is still talking about it be greatfull we have left" "a growing number" is nothing short of scaremongering without numbers to back it up. Headline grabbing | |||
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"What do you think of the latest brexit news that a growing number of retailers in the eu have decided that they wont deliver to britain because of the new costs involved in sending packages after brexit? What will happen to the orders? Lets hope that it wont cause too much delays. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-updates-boris-johnson-sunak-b1782440.html%3fampMore fake news who cares. We are getting vaccine out there the ignorant EU is still talking about it be greatfull we have left "a growing number" is nothing short of scaremongering without numbers to back it up. Headline grabbing" I've seen 3 small niche company names mentioned, as the original newspiece is regurgitated around trying to find traction. I checked with an Italian company that i buy tbings from.... stlll delighted to supply me, with no extra costs. The best businesses adapt and evolve. | |||
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"I suspect all these goods will depend on the place of despatch. Whilst a European site may sell you the products it may be sourced from a warehouse in the U.K. which has already paid cars and duty on the goods depending on where they were shipped from. We’ve not had to pay customs on anything in transit prior to 11pm on the 31st December . Anything after that costs start mounting so maybe it will be a while before new stock incurs the price increase . Or maybe the seller is paying up front in a multi order at wholesale pricing which would reduce the impact on retail. There are lots of variations but I doubt if any will be cheaper . " My Italian grooming products come direct from Milan via UPS. The product and service are first class, so have no issue in sticking with them. I suspect that not having to pay UK distributors, means that they can absorb any small additional costs. | |||
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"I suspect all these goods will depend on the place of despatch. Whilst a European site may sell you the products it may be sourced from a warehouse in the U.K. which has already paid cars and duty on the goods depending on where they were shipped from. We’ve not had to pay customs on anything in transit prior to 11pm on the 31st December . Anything after that costs start mounting so maybe it will be a while before new stock incurs the price increase . Or maybe the seller is paying up front in a multi order at wholesale pricing which would reduce the impact on retail. There are lots of variations but I doubt if any will be cheaper . My Italian grooming products come direct from Milan via UPS. The product and service are first class, so have no issue in sticking with them. I suspect that not having to pay UK distributors, means that they can absorb any small additional costs. " Has the Italian business indicated if when you place your next order you will need to pay the import vat, and duty if the value of order is over £135, when the consignment arrives in uk? | |||
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"I suspect all these goods will depend on the place of despatch. Whilst a European site may sell you the products it may be sourced from a warehouse in the U.K. which has already paid cars and duty on the goods depending on where they were shipped from. We’ve not had to pay customs on anything in transit prior to 11pm on the 31st December . Anything after that costs start mounting so maybe it will be a while before new stock incurs the price increase . Or maybe the seller is paying up front in a multi order at wholesale pricing which would reduce the impact on retail. There are lots of variations but I doubt if any will be cheaper . My Italian grooming products come direct from Milan via UPS. The product and service are first class, so have no issue in sticking with them. I suspect that not having to pay UK distributors, means that they can absorb any small additional costs. Has the Italian business indicated if when you place your next order you will need to pay the import vat, and duty if the value of order is over £135, when the consignment arrives in uk?" Not at all. Business as usual. | |||
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"Brexit..Sold by the media and cretins that are behind it for their own back pockets and the stupidity of the public went along with it....i give up we have become a nation lacking sense and believing hype" another remainer insulting leavers lol suppose none of yr family friends workmates voted leave then if so would you call them stupid to there faces ? | |||
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"Brexit..Sold by the media and cretins that are behind it for their own back pockets and the stupidity of the public went along with it....i give up we have become a nation lacking sense and believing hype" Which media do you mean BBC ITV Chanel 4 & Sky? & can you show any leave bias by these 4 tv companies? The main papers did tend to pick a side depending on their readership, it’s not their fault that the top 3 right of centre papers sell more than the top 6 left leaning papers put together x Your calling the public stupid but you yourself are part of the public, & it’s this name calling that has partly caused the fall out of us the public & let the politicians play kick the can for 4 years x | |||
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"Brexit..Sold by the media and cretins that are behind it for their own back pockets and the stupidity of the public went along with it....i give up we have become a nation lacking sense and believing hype" Thanks for that insight into levels of tolerance and arrogance of some people in UK | |||
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"I suspect all these goods will depend on the place of despatch. Whilst a European site may sell you the products it may be sourced from a warehouse in the U.K. which has already paid cars and duty on the goods depending on where they were shipped from. We’ve not had to pay customs on anything in transit prior to 11pm on the 31st December . Anything after that costs start mounting so maybe it will be a while before new stock incurs the price increase . Or maybe the seller is paying up front in a multi order at wholesale pricing which would reduce the impact on retail. There are lots of variations but I doubt if any will be cheaper . My Italian grooming products come direct from Milan via UPS. The product and service are first class, so have no issue in sticking with them. I suspect that not having to pay UK distributors, means that they can absorb any small additional costs. Has the Italian business indicated if when you place your next order you will need to pay the import vat, and duty if the value of order is over £135, when the consignment arrives in uk? Not at all. Business as usual. " | |||
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"Brexit..Sold by the media and cretins that are behind it for their own back pockets and the stupidity of the public went along with it....i give up we have become a nation lacking sense and believing hype Which media do you mean BBC ITV Chanel 4 & Sky? & can you show any leave bias by these 4 tv companies? The main papers did tend to pick a side depending on their readership, it’s not their fault that the top 3 right of centre papers sell more than the top 6 left leaning papers put together x Your calling the public stupid but you yourself are part of the public, & it’s this name calling that has partly caused the fall out of us the public & let the politicians play kick the can for 4 years x" What 6 of left newspapers are these again? | |||
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"I suspect all these goods will depend on the place of despatch. Whilst a European site may sell you the products it may be sourced from a warehouse in the U.K. which has already paid cars and duty on the goods depending on where they were shipped from. We’ve not had to pay customs on anything in transit prior to 11pm on the 31st December . Anything after that costs start mounting so maybe it will be a while before new stock incurs the price increase . Or maybe the seller is paying up front in a multi order at wholesale pricing which would reduce the impact on retail. There are lots of variations but I doubt if any will be cheaper . My Italian grooming products come direct from Milan via UPS. The product and service are first class, so have no issue in sticking with them. I suspect that not having to pay UK distributors, means that they can absorb any small additional costs. Has the Italian business indicated if when you place your next order you will need to pay the import vat, and duty if the value of order is over £135, when the consignment arrives in uk?" VAT has always been added to imports,payable by non registered buyers and reclaimed by registered ones for legitimate use or onward sale. | |||
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"Now on the news it is the other way around, small businesses in the uk cant afford to send their things over to the eu from the channel, cos it costs to much there." Both are little more than news grabbing headlines. Carefully selected participants who have aired concern and the reporters have run with it and blown up the balloon. Tomorrow it'll be something else and the news reporter will have got his quota of views and so won't care if there's much truth in it. The truth often takes too long to wait for. Insta-answers often equate to mistruths. | |||
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"Now on the news it is the other way around, small businesses in the uk cant afford to send their things over to the eu from the channel, cos it costs to much there." I tbink the report was more down to problems with the rules around importing and then re-exporting to the EU. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. " Fake news, remainers said the world would end | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. Fake news, remainers said the world would end" And brexiteers said unicorns would shit gold bricks in our living rooms | |||
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"If only someone would have said back in 2016 that brexit was a massive waste of time and money that only benefits a small minority who are already rich. If only someone had said it would stop free movement and out of the ecj. Hold up they did and it has. Thumps up from me.
What is wrong with freedom of movement ?
Basically its not free , just ask the tens of thousands of families that can't get houses or jobs or the even greater numbers who pay high taxes to support those freedom of movement folks while they claim benefits for kids and families that don't even reside over here. "In 2015 the housing shortage was 350,000 per year short on builds. . There were 100k immigrants claiming tax credits while working. Yes working so paying tax. Around 3k were claiming unemployment benefit such as Jobseeker’s Allowance. Can’t see how those unemployed were filling 350000 houses! You need to read facts more often. The housing shortage is created by developers having huge land banks that they control the release of to keep house prices high along with terribly slow planning laws. They don’t want to build affordable houses just like Jenricks mate didn’t as they don’t make as much profit, The housing crisis is a U.K. greed problem not a migrant problem . | |||
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"If only someone would have said back in 2016 that brexit was a massive waste of time and money that only benefits a small minority who are already rich. If only someone had said it would stop free movement and out of the ecj. Hold up they did and it has. Thumps up from me.
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Didn't like it, didn't want it, now it's stopped.
Not even covid has stopped free movement of people from France, but the French stopped free movement from the UK the other week, & suggested by their Gov as part of the resolve only a French person with a negative test result could return to France from the UK. & before you say anything all or most of those EUROPEAN truck drivers came through France to get to the UK. Just trying to see both sides of the debate x"We banned entry from South Africa due to new strain so same principle. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. Fake news, remainers said the world would end" Shall I send some VAT? lol | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. Fake news, remainers said the world would end And brexiteers said unicorns would shit gold bricks in our living rooms" But. They didn't did they? | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. Fake news, remainers said the world would end And brexiteers said unicorns would shit gold bricks in our living rooms But. They didn't did they? " I'm still waiting for mine  | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. Fake news, remainers said the world would end And brexiteers said unicorns would shit gold bricks in our living rooms But. They didn't did they? I'm still waiting for mine "But. They didn't say it did they? | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. Fake news, remainers said the world would end And brexiteers said unicorns would shit gold bricks in our living rooms" Did they? as you are fond of saying source please. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. " Supporting French business, how patriotic. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. Fake news, remainers said the world would end And brexiteers said unicorns would shit gold bricks in our living roomsDid they? as you are fond of saying source please. "I'll post one right after a list of leavers who said the world would end is posted. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. Fake news, remainers said the world would end And brexiteers said unicorns would shit gold bricks in our living rooms But. They didn't did they? I'm still waiting for mine
But. They didn't say it did they?"They never said the world would end. It was meant to be satirical. It's like telling a joke and explaining the meaning. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. " The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports" A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. | |||
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"We can grow our own food products that get imported over here...plenty of dairy suppliers here too...give the business to British growers/farmers...less food they export means more food for us to buy with out it costing more...surely that's the answer?? a self sufficient Island. "Wow why didn't we think of this before. Bananas grown in Suffolk Coconuts in Berkshire, oranges in Cornwall, the list is endless.. | |||
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"We can grow our own food products that get imported over here...plenty of dairy suppliers here too...give the business to British growers/farmers...less food they export means more food for us to buy with out it costing more...surely that's the answer?? a self sufficient Island.
Wow why didn't we think of this before.
Bananas grown in Suffolk
Coconuts in Berkshire,
oranges in Cornwall, the list is endless.."You know, you could be onto something here! Maybe Avocado’s in Devon and Limes in Dorset. Who needs the rest of the world | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. Fake news, remainers said the world would end And brexiteers said unicorns would shit gold bricks in our living rooms" You do spout a lot of shite don't you. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. Fake news, remainers said the world would end And brexiteers said unicorns would shit gold bricks in our living rooms You do spout a lot of shite don't you." What..like saying the world would end if Brexit happened? | |||
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"We can grow our own food products that get imported over here...plenty of dairy suppliers here too...give the business to British growers/farmers...less food they export means more food for us to buy with out it costing more...surely that's the answer?? a self sufficient Island.
Wow why didn't we think of this before.
Bananas grown in Suffolk
Coconuts in Berkshire,
oranges in Cornwall, the list is endless..
You know, you could be onto something here! Maybe Avocado’s in Devon and Limes in Dorset. Who needs the rest of the world "Kum-quats on Fab ? | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading." Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London. "Spot on. Soundbytes come far too easy to some. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London. "So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig."People first business second just like with covid  | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid "The tendering of the PPE and many other Covid related deals doesn't appear to back that up I'm afraid. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig."Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing. If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details. Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid "That's a very nice slogan but it's the opposite of what's happening, the reason we've one of the worst covid death statistics in the world is because boris and his motley crew didn't prioritize people. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid "Would you like to expand on what you mean by that? | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change." | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change."Shouldn't changes be for the better tho ? All the changes so far have cost us a lot of money which means less tax revenue which means less investment which means it's a deeper hole now than ever to dig our way out of. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
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Would you like to expand on what you mean by that?"It was just another empty brexit slogan. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
That's a very nice slogan but it's the opposite of what's happening, the reason we've one of the worst covid death statistics in the world is because boris and his motley crew didn't prioritize people."Arguably the reason we're here is business, economics etc was being put first above people. Comparing any other covid stats with any country is rather meaningless and the comparable variables that effect the spread are not similar enough to make such comparisons. This has been proven repeatedly over the past year. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
Would you like to expand on what you mean by that?
It was just another empty brexit slogan."I never heard that one from a Brexiteer so who said that? It sounds more from some who are or were against lockdowns and restrictions. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
That's a very nice slogan but it's the opposite of what's happening, the reason we've one of the worst covid death statistics in the world is because boris and his motley crew didn't prioritize people.
Arguably the reason we're here is business, economics etc was being put first above people. Comparing any other covid stats with any country is rather meaningless and the comparable variables that effect the spread are not similar enough to make such comparisons. This has been proven repeatedly over the past year."I think however the stastics are bent we're one of the worst, as for brexit prioritizing people ? Yes if your mr.suck a lot or moggy. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
Would you like to expand on what you mean by that?
It was just another empty brexit slogan.
I never heard that one from a Brexiteer so who said that? It sounds more from some who are or were against lockdowns and restrictions."I think it was an elderly couple u need to check. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change."Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change. For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change. | |||
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So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
That's a very nice slogan but it's the opposite of what's happening, the reason we've one of the worst covid death statistics in the world is because boris and his motley crew didn't prioritize people.
Arguably the reason we're here is business, economics etc was being put first above people. Comparing any other covid stats with any country is rather meaningless and the comparable variables that effect the spread are not similar enough to make such comparisons. This has been proven repeatedly over the past year.
I think however the stastics are bent we're one of the worst, as for brexit prioritizing people ? Yes if your mr.suck a lot or moggy."It be good if you could provide evidence rather than just blanket statements that have no evidence that can be debated. From what I've seen about those who voted in the brexit vote, was that in general those who voted for were voting for, people to taking back identity and regaining a national identity in crisis, for the future and for business. Those against seemed more focused on what we had and always use business, financial loss, restrictions as an argument against it. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
The tendering of the PPE and many other Covid related deals doesn't appear to back that up I'm afraid."Tch, Thc, I think that was a prime example of Boris looking after his OWN people | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change."I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best. But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
Would you like to expand on what you mean by that?"The economy is taking hit to preserve life | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
That's a very nice slogan but it's the opposite of what's happening, the reason we've one of the worst covid death statistics in the world is because boris and his motley crew didn't prioritize people.
Arguably the reason we're here is business, economics etc was being put first above people. Comparing any other covid stats with any country is rather meaningless and the comparable variables that effect the spread are not similar enough to make such comparisons. This has been proven repeatedly over the past year.
I think however the stastics are bent we're one of the worst, as for brexit prioritizing people ? Yes if your mr.suck a lot or moggy.
It be good if you could provide evidence rather than just blanket statements that have no evidence that can be debated.
From what I've seen about those who voted in the brexit vote, was that in general those who voted for were voting for, people to taking back identity and regaining a national identity in crisis, for the future and for business. Those against seemed more focused on what we had and always use business, financial loss, restrictions as an argument against it."Taking back identity? can u elaborate or explain that, maybe give me names of one or two people who didn't have an identity. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
The tendering of the PPE and many other Covid related deals doesn't appear to back that up I'm afraid.
Tch, Thc, I think that was a prime example of Boris looking after his OWN people"Oh that's fine then! I'm sure that fits in with his levelling up agenda and they are all poor folk from poor towns? | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example. "It's not a point of view. These are fact based. Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
That's a very nice slogan but it's the opposite of what's happening, the reason we've one of the worst covid death statistics in the world is because boris and his motley crew didn't prioritize people.
Arguably the reason we're here is business, economics etc was being put first above people. Comparing any other covid stats with any country is rather meaningless and the comparable variables that effect the spread are not similar enough to make such comparisons. This has been proven repeatedly over the past year.
I think however the stastics are bent we're one of the worst, as for brexit prioritizing people ? Yes if your mr.suck a lot or moggy.
It be good if you could provide evidence rather than just blanket statements that have no evidence that can be debated.
From what I've seen about those who voted in the brexit vote, was that in general those who voted for were voting for, people to taking back identity and regaining a national identity in crisis, for the future and for business. Those against seemed more focused on what we had and always use business, financial loss, restrictions as an argument against it."If Brexit was about national identity. It's been a fucking disaster. What's our national identity now, a crumbling, fractured nation with a customs border between different regions. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
Would you like to expand on what you mean by that?
The economy is taking hit to preserve life"Both are doing appalling badly though so that doesn't work. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
That's a very nice slogan but it's the opposite of what's happening, the reason we've one of the worst covid death statistics in the world is because boris and his motley crew didn't prioritize people.
Arguably the reason we're here is business, economics etc was being put first above people. Comparing any other covid stats with any country is rather meaningless and the comparable variables that effect the spread are not similar enough to make such comparisons. This has been proven repeatedly over the past year.
I think however the stastics are bent we're one of the worst, as for brexit prioritizing people ? Yes if your mr.suck a lot or moggy.
It be good if you could provide evidence rather than just blanket statements that have no evidence that can be debated.
From what I've seen about those who voted in the brexit vote, was that in general those who voted for were voting for, people to taking back identity and regaining a national identity in crisis, for the future and for business. Those against seemed more focused on what we had and always use business, financial loss, restrictions as an argument against it. Taking back identity? can u elaborate or explain that, maybe give me names of one or two people who didn't have an identity."Maybe you could provide the evidence to your earlier statement first which I challenged? | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
Would you like to expand on what you mean by that?
The economy is taking hit to preserve life
Both are doing appalling badly though so that doesn't work."Are you saying it's not people first and business second? | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it"Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it! | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
That's a very nice slogan but it's the opposite of what's happening, the reason we've one of the worst covid death statistics in the world is because boris and his motley crew didn't prioritize people.
Arguably the reason we're here is business, economics etc was being put first above people. Comparing any other covid stats with any country is rather meaningless and the comparable variables that effect the spread are not similar enough to make such comparisons. This has been proven repeatedly over the past year.
I think however the stastics are bent we're one of the worst, as for brexit prioritizing people ? Yes if your mr.suck a lot or moggy.
It be good if you could provide evidence rather than just blanket statements that have no evidence that can be debated.
From what I've seen about those who voted in the brexit vote, was that in general those who voted for were voting for, people to taking back identity and regaining a national identity in crisis, for the future and for business. Those against seemed more focused on what we had and always use business, financial loss, restrictions as an argument against it.
If Brexit was about national identity. It's been a fucking disaster.
What's our national identity now, a crumbling, fractured nation with a customs border between different regions. "? | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
That's a very nice slogan but it's the opposite of what's happening, the reason we've one of the worst covid death statistics in the world is because boris and his motley crew didn't prioritize people.
Arguably the reason we're here is business, economics etc was being put first above people. Comparing any other covid stats with any country is rather meaningless and the comparable variables that effect the spread are not similar enough to make such comparisons. This has been proven repeatedly over the past year.
I think however the stastics are bent we're one of the worst, as for brexit prioritizing people ? Yes if your mr.suck a lot or moggy.
It be good if you could provide evidence rather than just blanket statements that have no evidence that can be debated.
From what I've seen about those who voted in the brexit vote, was that in general those who voted for were voting for, people to taking back identity and regaining a national identity in crisis, for the future and for business. Those against seemed more focused on what we had and always use business, financial loss, restrictions as an argument against it.
If Brexit was about national identity. It's been a fucking disaster.
What's our national identity now, a crumbling, fractured nation with a customs border between different regions. "Brexit was about a variety of reasons Claiming its about identity is akin to polishing a turd. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it"Same. But we had brexit. Which removed our freedom of movement. Many will not have the opportunities you and I had. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
Would you like to expand on what you mean by that?
The economy is taking hit to preserve life
Both are doing appalling badly though so that doesn't work.
Are you saying it's not people first and business second?"At the start it clearly wasn't now it debateable with the dithering and delays https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMwXlOQLu44 Give that a watch, who do you think he was putting first there? | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
That's a very nice slogan but it's the opposite of what's happening, the reason we've one of the worst covid death statistics in the world is because boris and his motley crew didn't prioritize people.
Arguably the reason we're here is business, economics etc was being put first above people. Comparing any other covid stats with any country is rather meaningless and the comparable variables that effect the spread are not similar enough to make such comparisons. This has been proven repeatedly over the past year.
I think however the stastics are bent we're one of the worst, as for brexit prioritizing people ? Yes if your mr.suck a lot or moggy.
It be good if you could provide evidence rather than just blanket statements that have no evidence that can be debated.
From what I've seen about those who voted in the brexit vote, was that in general those who voted for were voting for, people to taking back identity and regaining a national identity in crisis, for the future and for business. Those against seemed more focused on what we had and always use business, financial loss, restrictions as an argument against it.
If Brexit was about national identity. It's been a fucking disaster.
What's our national identity now, a crumbling, fractured nation with a customs border between different regions.
?"I'll rephrase. What is our new national identity since brexit? | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!"Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
Would you like to expand on what you mean by that?
The economy is taking hit to preserve life
Both are doing appalling badly though so that doesn't work.
Are you saying it's not people first and business second?
At the start it clearly wasn't now it debateable with the dithering and delays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMwXlOQLu44
Give that a watch, who do you think he was putting first there?"You and those goal posts, you do love to keep em on the move dunt ya? | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live."It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc. As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Same. But we had brexit. Which removed our freedom of movement.
Many will not have the opportunities you and I had."You're "you're over egging it" if you get a job offer from EU you will be allowed to go which is what you're asking and if you want to go live it's just a few extra pieces of paper.... many no EU nationals, live and work in the EU. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
"it’s not fact at all and you keep saying it don’t make it true you maybe can’t work and live in the eu but if you can get a job and afford to live there you go down the normal channels of ppl outside the eu then ppl can | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. "To legally, legally work and live in EU for any in EU national in any other EU country, they still had to fulfil certain criteria, ask any EU or non EU national who lives in Bulgaria for example | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Same. But we had brexit. Which removed our freedom of movement.
Many will not have the opportunities you and I had.
You're "you're over egging it" if you get a job offer from EU you will be allowed to go which is what you're asking and if you want to go live it's just a few extra pieces of paper.... many no EU nationals, live and work in the EU."Making it much harder for people. How are you supposed to compete with someone from all of the other EU countries who already have the automatic right to live and work where the job is. The fact is. It's now out of reach for most. Especially young people. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. "so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ? | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
it’s not fact at all and you keep saying it don’t make it true you maybe can’t work and live in the eu but if you can get a job and afford to live there you go down the normal channels of ppl outside the eu then ppl can "I'm not saying anything. This is the reality for post brexit British people. Don't be cross at me. I didn't make the rules or vote for this. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Same. But we had brexit. Which removed our freedom of movement.
Many will not have the opportunities you and I had.
You're "you're over egging it" if you get a job offer from EU you will be allowed to go which is what you're asking and if you want to go live it's just a few extra pieces of paper.... many no EU nationals, live and work in the EU.
Making it much harder for people. How are you supposed to compete with someone from all of the other EU countries who already have the automatic right to live and work where the job is.
The fact is. It's now out of reach for most. Especially young people."Wrong, check out the EU web sites. I really think most remainers didn't really understand the rules on movement in the EU | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?"Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU. What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know? | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Same. But we had brexit. Which removed our freedom of movement.
Many will not have the opportunities you and I had.
You're "you're over egging it" if you get a job offer from EU you will be allowed to go which is what you're asking and if you want to go live it's just a few extra pieces of paper.... many no EU nationals, live and work in the EU.
Making it much harder for people. How are you supposed to compete with someone from all of the other EU countries who already have the automatic right to live and work where the job is.
The fact is. It's now out of reach for most. Especially young people.
Wrong, check out the EU web sites. I really think most remainers didn't really understand the rules on movement in the EU"Okay let's just say up is down. This is pointless if you think the situation is now the same. Limiting the freedom of movement was one of the selling points to a lot of people to vote leave. And now you're saying it didn't happen. (When it did). | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
Would you like to expand on what you mean by that?
The economy is taking hit to preserve life
Both are doing appalling badly though so that doesn't work.
Are you saying it's not people first and business second?
At the start it clearly wasn't now it debateable with the dithering and delays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMwXlOQLu44
Give that a watch, who do you think he was putting first there?
You and those goal posts, you do love to keep em on the move dunt ya?"How have I moved them? You say they are putting people first. I'm pointing out the attitude that exited then and still does now. The lock down only occurred on each occasion when it looked like the NHS was going fail. That doesn't feel to me like a government that's putting people first. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?"lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. Supporting French business, how patriotic. " Half French by birth - so yes I am aren't I | |||
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"We can grow our own food products that get imported over here...plenty of dairy suppliers here too...give the business to British growers/farmers...less food they export means more food for us to buy with out it costing more...surely that's the answer?? a self sufficient Island.
Wow why didn't we think of this before.
Bananas grown in Suffolk
Coconuts in Berkshire,
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
That's a very nice slogan but it's the opposite of what's happening, the reason we've one of the worst covid death statistics in the world is because boris and his motley crew didn't prioritize people.
Arguably the reason we're here is business, economics etc was being put first above people. Comparing any other covid stats with any country is rather meaningless and the comparable variables that effect the spread are not similar enough to make such comparisons. This has been proven repeatedly over the past year.
I think however the stastics are bent we're one of the worst, as for brexit prioritizing people ? Yes if your mr.suck a lot or moggy.
It be good if you could provide evidence rather than just blanket statements that have no evidence that can be debated.
From what I've seen about those who voted in the brexit vote, was that in general those who voted for were voting for, people to taking back identity and regaining a national identity in crisis, for the future and for business. Those against seemed more focused on what we had and always use business, financial loss, restrictions as an argument against it.
If Brexit was about national identity. It's been a fucking disaster.
What's our national identity now, a crumbling, fractured nation with a customs border between different regions.
Brexit was about a variety of reasons
Claiming its about identity is akin to polishing a turd."A you usually do with most of your comments, youre very selective and twist things. My suggestion of identity as you would have noticed was one of numerous reasons if you had bothered to read it. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol"I've never actually been to Spain. There's more to life than touting outside bars. You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation."how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ? | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Same. But we had brexit. Which removed our freedom of movement.
Many will not have the opportunities you and I had.
You're "you're over egging it" if you get a job offer from EU you will be allowed to go which is what you're asking and if you want to go live it's just a few extra pieces of paper.... many no EU nationals, live and work in the EU.
Making it much harder for people. How are you supposed to compete with someone from all of the other EU countries who already have the automatic right to live and work where the job is.
The fact is. It's now out of reach for most. Especially young people.
Wrong, check out the EU web sites. I really think most remainers didn't really understand the rules on movement in the EU
Okay let's just say up is down. This is pointless if you think the situation is now the same.
Limiting the freedom of movement was one of the selling points to a lot of people to vote leave.
And now you're saying it didn't happen. (When it did)."one of the selling points, i would say 1 of the main selling points was the stop of illegal movement and the illegal work done by the other EU nations, yes it was | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?"I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs. Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost? Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand. Admin and cashflow at a financial institution. Bar work. Call centre work. Worked for a tech company doing various roles. Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile. Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten. | |||
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So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Same. But we had brexit. Which removed our freedom of movement.
Many will not have the opportunities you and I had.
You're "you're over egging it" if you get a job offer from EU you will be allowed to go which is what you're asking and if you want to go live it's just a few extra pieces of paper.... many no EU nationals, live and work in the EU.
Making it much harder for people. How are you supposed to compete with someone from all of the other EU countries who already have the automatic right to live and work where the job is.
The fact is. It's now out of reach for most. Especially young people.
Wrong, check out the EU web sites. I really think most remainers didn't really understand the rules on movement in the EU
Okay let's just say up is down. This is pointless if you think the situation is now the same.
Limiting the freedom of movement was one of the selling points to a lot of people to vote leave.
And now you're saying it didn't happen. (When it did).
one of the selling points, i would say 1 of the main selling points was the stop of illegal movement and the illegal work done by the other EU nations, yes it was "What on earth did brexit have to do with illegal immigration? Bonkers claim. | |||
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"We can grow our own food products that get imported over here...plenty of dairy suppliers here too...give the business to British growers/farmers...less food they export means more food for us to buy with out it costing more...surely that's the answer?? a self sufficient Island.
Wow why didn't we think of this before.
Bananas grown in Suffolk
Coconuts in Berkshire,
oranges in Cornwall, the list is endless..
It would be Patriotic if you bought your Coconuts from Berkshire though huh? " Them Berkshire coconuts, have always been the best | |||
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Well knock me down with a feather
There was a great knock up of the daily express being totally hypocritical the other day today
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Same. But we had brexit. Which removed our freedom of movement.
Many will not have the opportunities you and I had.
You're "you're over egging it" if you get a job offer from EU you will be allowed to go which is what you're asking and if you want to go live it's just a few extra pieces of paper.... many no EU nationals, live and work in the EU.
Making it much harder for people. How are you supposed to compete with someone from all of the other EU countries who already have the automatic right to live and work where the job is.
The fact is. It's now out of reach for most. Especially young people.
Wrong, check out the EU web sites. I really think most remainers didn't really understand the rules on movement in the EU
Okay let's just say up is down. This is pointless if you think the situation is now the same.
Limiting the freedom of movement was one of the selling points to a lot of people to vote leave.
And now you're saying it didn't happen. (When it did).
one of the selling points, i would say 1 of the main selling points was the stop of illegal movement and the illegal work done by the other EU nations, yes it was
What on earth did brexit have to do with illegal immigration?
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
People first business second just like with covid
That's a very nice slogan but it's the opposite of what's happening, the reason we've one of the worst covid death statistics in the world is because boris and his motley crew didn't prioritize people.
Arguably the reason we're here is business, economics etc was being put first above people. Comparing any other covid stats with any country is rather meaningless and the comparable variables that effect the spread are not similar enough to make such comparisons. This has been proven repeatedly over the past year.
I think however the stastics are bent we're one of the worst, as for brexit prioritizing people ? Yes if your mr.suck a lot or moggy.
It be good if you could provide evidence rather than just blanket statements that have no evidence that can be debated.
From what I've seen about those who voted in the brexit vote, was that in general those who voted for were voting for, people to taking back identity and regaining a national identity in crisis, for the future and for business. Those against seemed more focused on what we had and always use business, financial loss, restrictions as an argument against it.
If Brexit was about national identity. It's been a fucking disaster.
What's our national identity now, a crumbling, fractured nation with a customs border between different regions.
Brexit was about a variety of reasons
Claiming its about identity is akin to polishing a turd.
A you usually do with most of your comments, youre very selective and twist things.
My suggestion of identity as you would have noticed was one of numerous reasons if you had bothered to read it.
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"We can grow our own food products that get imported over here...plenty of dairy suppliers here too...give the business to British growers/farmers...less food they export means more food for us to buy with out it costing more...surely that's the answer?? a self sufficient Island.
Wow why didn't we think of this before.
Bananas grown in Suffolk
Coconuts in Berkshire,
oranges in Cornwall, the list is endless..
It would be Patriotic if you bought your Coconuts from Berkshire though huh? "It sure would also it will give some young boys and girls much need employment climbing those trees holding a machete in their teeth. Maybe this could be the first bit of positive brexit news we've had. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?
I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs.
Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost?
Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand.
Admin and cashflow at a financial institution.
Bar work.
Call centre work.
Worked for a tech company doing various roles.
Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile.
Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten."that’s great bud aslong as you enjoyed it and had fun nothing else matters so you can still do them jobs can’t you maybe not the call centre I’m not sure ? | |||
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"We can grow our own food products that get imported over here...plenty of dairy suppliers here too...give the business to British growers/farmers...less food they export means more food for us to buy with out it costing more...surely that's the answer?? a self sufficient Island.
Wow why didn't we think of this before.
Bananas grown in Suffolk
Coconuts in Berkshire,
oranges in Cornwall, the list is endless..
It would be Patriotic if you bought your Coconuts from Berkshire though huh?
It sure would also it will give some young boys and girls much need employment climbing those trees holding a machete in their teeth. Maybe this could be the first bit of positive brexit news we've had."Me thinks you're not being serious | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?
I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs.
Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost?
Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand.
Admin and cashflow at a financial institution.
Bar work.
Call centre work.
Worked for a tech company doing various roles.
Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile.
Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten.that’s great bud aslong as you enjoyed it and had fun nothing else matters so you can still do them jobs can’t you maybe not the call centre I’m not sure ?"You asked me to tell you. Then complain that I told you. And no. I wouldn't have been able to have done this as a 22 year old today. | |||
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"We can grow our own food products that get imported over here...plenty of dairy suppliers here too...give the business to British growers/farmers...less food they export means more food for us to buy with out it costing more...surely that's the answer?? a self sufficient Island.
Wow why didn't we think of this before.
Bananas grown in Suffolk
Coconuts in Berkshire,
oranges in Cornwall, the list is endless..
It would be Patriotic if you bought your Coconuts from Berkshire though huh?
It sure would also it will give some young boys and girls much need employment climbing those trees holding a machete in their teeth. Maybe this could be the first bit of positive brexit news we've had.
Me thinks you're not being serious "You got me ! Shame you weren't as smart with the £350m and rest of the bullshit we were sold | |||
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"We can grow our own food products that get imported over here...plenty of dairy suppliers here too...give the business to British growers/farmers...less food they export means more food for us to buy with out it costing more...surely that's the answer?? a self sufficient Island.
Wow why didn't we think of this before.
Bananas grown in Suffolk
Coconuts in Berkshire,
oranges in Cornwall, the list is endless..
It would be Patriotic if you bought your Coconuts from Berkshire though huh?
It sure would also it will give some young boys and girls much need employment climbing those trees holding a machete in their teeth. Maybe this could be the first bit of positive brexit news we've had.
Me thinks you're not being serious
You got me ! Shame you weren't as smart with the £350m and rest of the bullshit we were sold "If you accept that the 350 was gross and not net, which was the main argument, what was wrong with it? | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?
I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs.
Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost?
Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand.
Admin and cashflow at a financial institution.
Bar work.
Call centre work.
Worked for a tech company doing various roles.
Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile.
Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten.that’s great bud aslong as you enjoyed it and had fun nothing else matters so you can still do them jobs can’t you maybe not the call centre I’m not sure ?
You asked me to tell you.
Then complain that I told you.
And no. I wouldn't have been able to have done this as a 22 year old today. "lol where did I complain I said as long as you enjyed ya self and had fun bud read again maybe not the bar job amd call centre jobs saying that I’m sure there will be thousands of young Brutus doing them this summer as will the touts | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?
I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs.
Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost?
Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand.
Admin and cashflow at a financial institution.
Bar work.
Call centre work.
Worked for a tech company doing various roles.
Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile.
Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten.that’s great bud aslong as you enjoyed it and had fun nothing else matters so you can still do them jobs can’t you maybe not the call centre I’m not sure ?
You asked me to tell you.
Then complain that I told you.
And no. I wouldn't have been able to have done this as a 22 year old today. "Yes you could or most of it anyway | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?
I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs.
Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost?
Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand.
Admin and cashflow at a financial institution.
Bar work.
Call centre work.
Worked for a tech company doing various roles.
Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile.
Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten.that’s great bud aslong as you enjoyed it and had fun nothing else matters so you can still do them jobs can’t you maybe not the call centre I’m not sure ?
You asked me to tell you.
Then complain that I told you.
And no. I wouldn't have been able to have done this as a 22 year old today. lol where did I complain I said as long as you enjyed ya self and had fun bud read again maybe not the bar job amd call centre jobs saying that I’m sure there will be thousands of young Brutus doing them this summer as will the touts "Maybe some will work as yours. I have no idea. What we do know is. We've lost our freedom to live and work in the EU the way we once did. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?
I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs.
Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost?
Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand.
Admin and cashflow at a financial institution.
Bar work.
Call centre work.
Worked for a tech company doing various roles.
Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile.
Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten.that’s great bud aslong as you enjoyed it and had fun nothing else matters so you can still do them jobs can’t you maybe not the call centre I’m not sure ?
You asked me to tell you.
Then complain that I told you.
And no. I wouldn't have been able to have done this as a 22 year old today.
Yes you could or most of it anyway"Lots of people don't meet the criteria now. I certainly wouldn't have at 22, as an example. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?
I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs.
Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost?
Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand.
Admin and cashflow at a financial institution.
Bar work.
Call centre work.
Worked for a tech company doing various roles.
Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile.
Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten.that’s great bud aslong as you enjoyed it and had fun nothing else matters so you can still do them jobs can’t you maybe not the call centre I’m not sure ?
You asked me to tell you.
Then complain that I told you.
And no. I wouldn't have been able to have done this as a 22 year old today.
Yes you could or most of it anyway"the remain squad are a tad tetchy tday must be the weather lol | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?
I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs.
Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost?
Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand.
Admin and cashflow at a financial institution.
Bar work.
Call centre work.
Worked for a tech company doing various roles.
Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile.
Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten.that’s great bud aslong as you enjoyed it and had fun nothing else matters so you can still do them jobs can’t you maybe not the call centre I’m not sure ?
You asked me to tell you.
Then complain that I told you.
And no. I wouldn't have been able to have done this as a 22 year old today. lol where did I complain I said as long as you enjyed ya self and had fun bud read again maybe not the bar job amd call centre jobs saying that I’m sure there will be thousands of young Brutus doing them this summer as will the touts
Maybe some will work as yours.
I have no idea.
What we do know is. We've lost our freedom to live and work in the EU the way we once did.
"I can only comment from what you have said but what you did was illegal if you stayed longer than 3 months without registering, which it's always been and still is the rule. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?
I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs.
Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost?
Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand.
Admin and cashflow at a financial institution.
Bar work.
Call centre work.
Worked for a tech company doing various roles.
Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile.
Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten.that’s great bud aslong as you enjoyed it and had fun nothing else matters so you can still do them jobs can’t you maybe not the call centre I’m not sure ?
You asked me to tell you.
Then complain that I told you.
And no. I wouldn't have been able to have done this as a 22 year old today.
Yes you could or most of it anywaythe remain squad are a tad tetchy tday must be the weather lol"What's the weather like in the UK? | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?
I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs.
Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost?
Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand.
Admin and cashflow at a financial institution.
Bar work.
Call centre work.
Worked for a tech company doing various roles.
Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile.
Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten.that’s great bud aslong as you enjoyed it and had fun nothing else matters so you can still do them jobs can’t you maybe not the call centre I’m not sure ?
You asked me to tell you.
Then complain that I told you.
And no. I wouldn't have been able to have done this as a 22 year old today.
Yes you could or most of it anyway
Lots of people don't meet the criteria now. I certainly wouldn't have at 22, as an example."do you think all the costas Greek islands Spanish islands won’t have the young brits working there now then ?I know you’ve not been to Spain but I can tell you that in the 80s it wasn’t legal to do them jobs but the only kids doing them where the brits it never stopped them can’t see it stopping them now | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?
I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs.
Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost?
Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand.
Admin and cashflow at a financial institution.
Bar work.
Call centre work.
Worked for a tech company doing various roles.
Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile.
Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten.that’s great bud aslong as you enjoyed it and had fun nothing else matters so you can still do them jobs can’t you maybe not the call centre I’m not sure ?
You asked me to tell you.
Then complain that I told you.
And no. I wouldn't have been able to have done this as a 22 year old today. lol where did I complain I said as long as you enjyed ya self and had fun bud read again maybe not the bar job amd call centre jobs saying that I’m sure there will be thousands of young Brutus doing them this summer as will the touts
Maybe some will work as yours.
I have no idea.
What we do know is. We've lost our freedom to live and work in the EU the way we once did.
I can only comment from what you have said but what you did was illegal if you stayed longer than 3 months without registering, which it's always been and still is the rule."Why on earth would you automatically assume that I didn't register to pay local taxes? In anycase. This freedom of movement we've lost. Is a minor point compared to the billions this costs brexit every year. So I can see why you guys try to focus on this point. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?
I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs.
Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost?
Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand.
Admin and cashflow at a financial institution.
Bar work.
Call centre work.
Worked for a tech company doing various roles.
Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile.
Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten.that’s great bud aslong as you enjoyed it and had fun nothing else matters so you can still do them jobs can’t you maybe not the call centre I’m not sure ?
You asked me to tell you.
Then complain that I told you.
And no. I wouldn't have been able to have done this as a 22 year old today.
Yes you could or most of it anywaythe remain squad are a tad tetchy tday must be the weather lol
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?
I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs.
Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost?
Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand.
Admin and cashflow at a financial institution.
Bar work.
Call centre work.
Worked for a tech company doing various roles.
Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile.
Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten.that’s great bud aslong as you enjoyed it and had fun nothing else matters so you can still do them jobs can’t you maybe not the call centre I’m not sure ?
You asked me to tell you.
Then complain that I told you.
And no. I wouldn't have been able to have done this as a 22 year old today.
Yes you could or most of it anyway
Lots of people don't meet the criteria now. I certainly wouldn't have at 22, as an example.do you think all the costas Greek islands Spanish islands won’t have the young brits working there now then ?I know you’ve not been to Spain but I can tell you that in the 80s it wasn’t legal to do them jobs but the only kids doing them where the brits it never stopped them can’t see it stopping them now "I literally have no opinion. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?
I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs.
Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost?
Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand.
Admin and cashflow at a financial institution.
Bar work.
Call centre work.
Worked for a tech company doing various roles.
Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile.
Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten.that’s great bud aslong as you enjoyed it and had fun nothing else matters so you can still do them jobs can’t you maybe not the call centre I’m not sure ?
You asked me to tell you.
Then complain that I told you.
And no. I wouldn't have been able to have done this as a 22 year old today. lol where did I complain I said as long as you enjyed ya self and had fun bud read again maybe not the bar job amd call centre jobs saying that I’m sure there will be thousands of young Brutus doing them this summer as will the touts
Maybe some will work as yours.
I have no idea.
What we do know is. We've lost our freedom to live and work in the EU the way we once did.
I can only comment from what you have said but what you did was illegal if you stayed longer than 3 months without registering, which it's always been and still is the rule.
Why on earth would you automatically assume that I didn't register to pay local taxes?
In anycase. This freedom of movement we've lost. Is a minor point compared to the billions this costs brexit every year.
So I can see why you guys try to focus on this point."will of the people is worth the billions to them. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?
I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs.
Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost?
Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand.
Admin and cashflow at a financial institution.
Bar work.
Call centre work.
Worked for a tech company doing various roles.
Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile.
Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten.that’s great bud aslong as you enjoyed it and had fun nothing else matters so you can still do them jobs can’t you maybe not the call centre I’m not sure ?
You asked me to tell you.
Then complain that I told you.
And no. I wouldn't have been able to have done this as a 22 year old today. lol where did I complain I said as long as you enjyed ya self and had fun bud read again maybe not the bar job amd call centre jobs saying that I’m sure there will be thousands of young Brutus doing them this summer as will the touts
Maybe some will work as yours.
I have no idea.
What we do know is. We've lost our freedom to live and work in the EU the way we once did.
I can only comment from what you have said but what you did was illegal if you stayed longer than 3 months without registering, which it's always been and still is the rule.
Why on earth would you automatically assume that I didn't register to pay local taxes?
In anycase. This freedom of movement we've lost. Is a minor point compared to the billions this costs brexit every year.
So I can see why you guys try to focus on this point."you have raised this point lots of times everyday for months mate lol howayman | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?
I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs.
Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost?
Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand.
Admin and cashflow at a financial institution.
Bar work.
Call centre work.
Worked for a tech company doing various roles.
Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile.
Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten.that’s great bud aslong as you enjoyed it and had fun nothing else matters so you can still do them jobs can’t you maybe not the call centre I’m not sure ?
You asked me to tell you.
Then complain that I told you.
And no. I wouldn't have been able to have done this as a 22 year old today. lol where did I complain I said as long as you enjyed ya self and had fun bud read again maybe not the bar job amd call centre jobs saying that I’m sure there will be thousands of young Brutus doing them this summer as will the touts
Maybe some will work as yours.
I have no idea.
What we do know is. We've lost our freedom to live and work in the EU the way we once did.
I can only comment from what you have said but what you did was illegal if you stayed longer than 3 months without registering, which it's always been and still is the rule.
Why on earth would you automatically assume that I didn't register to pay local taxes?
In anycase. This freedom of movement we've lost. Is a minor point compared to the billions this costs brexit every year.
So I can see why you guys try to focus on this point.you have raised this point lots of times everyday for months mate lol howayman "Amongst many other points. You guys pick this single issie and bash on and on about it. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?
I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs.
Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost?
Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand.
Admin and cashflow at a financial institution.
Bar work.
Call centre work.
Worked for a tech company doing various roles.
Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile.
Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten.that’s great bud aslong as you enjoyed it and had fun nothing else matters so you can still do them jobs can’t you maybe not the call centre I’m not sure ?
You asked me to tell you.
Then complain that I told you.
And no. I wouldn't have been able to have done this as a 22 year old today. lol where did I complain I said as long as you enjyed ya self and had fun bud read again maybe not the bar job amd call centre jobs saying that I’m sure there will be thousands of young Brutus doing them this summer as will the touts
Maybe some will work as yours.
I have no idea.
What we do know is. We've lost our freedom to live and work in the EU the way we once did.
I can only comment from what you have said but what you did was illegal if you stayed longer than 3 months without registering, which it's always been and still is the rule.
Why on earth would you automatically assume that I didn't register to pay local taxes?
In anycase. This freedom of movement we've lost. Is a minor point compared to the billions this costs brexit every year.
So I can see why you guys try to focus on this point.
will of the people is worth the billions to them."If the will of the people is for the country to be billions and billions of pounds worse off. Seems okay to question this will. | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?
I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs.
Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost?
Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand.
Admin and cashflow at a financial institution.
Bar work.
Call centre work.
Worked for a tech company doing various roles.
Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile.
Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten.that’s great bud aslong as you enjoyed it and had fun nothing else matters so you can still do them jobs can’t you maybe not the call centre I’m not sure ?
You asked me to tell you.
Then complain that I told you.
And no. I wouldn't have been able to have done this as a 22 year old today. lol where did I complain I said as long as you enjyed ya self and had fun bud read again maybe not the bar job amd call centre jobs saying that I’m sure there will be thousands of young Brutus doing them this summer as will the touts
Maybe some will work as yours.
I have no idea.
What we do know is. We've lost our freedom to live and work in the EU the way we once did.
I can only comment from what you have said but what you did was illegal if you stayed longer than 3 months without registering, which it's always been and still is the rule.
Why on earth would you automatically assume that I didn't register to pay local taxes?
In anycase. This freedom of movement we've lost. Is a minor point compared to the billions this costs brexit every year.
So I can see why you guys try to focus on this point.you have raised this point lots of times everyday for months mate lol howayman
Amongst many other points.
You guys pick this single issie and bash on and on about it. "not saying it’s your only point bud it’s just a discussion you said freedom of movement for the young as gone I’m disagreeing with you ain’t that the point of the forum or should all is leavers roll over amd ageee I asked you a while back what do you really want to hear from a leaver you said am apology so I said ok I’m sorry but clearly asnt done the trick ffs can’t win | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?
I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs.
Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost?
Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand.
Admin and cashflow at a financial institution.
Bar work.
Call centre work.
Worked for a tech company doing various roles.
Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile.
Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten.that’s great bud aslong as you enjoyed it and had fun nothing else matters so you can still do them jobs can’t you maybe not the call centre I’m not sure ?
You asked me to tell you.
Then complain that I told you.
And no. I wouldn't have been able to have done this as a 22 year old today. lol where did I complain I said as long as you enjyed ya self and had fun bud read again maybe not the bar job amd call centre jobs saying that I’m sure there will be thousands of young Brutus doing them this summer as will the touts
Maybe some will work as yours.
I have no idea.
What we do know is. We've lost our freedom to live and work in the EU the way we once did.
I can only comment from what you have said but what you did was illegal if you stayed longer than 3 months without registering, which it's always been and still is the rule.
Why on earth would you automatically assume that I didn't register to pay local taxes?
In anycase. This freedom of movement we've lost. Is a minor point compared to the billions this costs brexit every year.
So I can see why you guys try to focus on this point.
will of the people is worth the billions to them."You given up on saying the Government are putting people first in the pandemic? | |||
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"Had an industrial machine delivered in 3 days from ???? France. No additional VAT or even a delivery charge. Invoice says: Please order again. No additional charges will be added to UK product orders. Thank you for you business. The uk negtiated a 3 month period of grace Which was accepted by the EU . Once grace & favour is done , we can truly See the effects on imports & exports A truly horrific prospect and with our services industry waiting to see what arrangements are made it's not looking great. Apparently we lost 6 billion in london on the first day of trading. Do you really understand what means? We do didn't loose 6 billion at all. That is share trading from EU companies. What we loose of that 6 billion is simply less in tax receipts for the UK. None of that money was UK money. Brussels has sought greater oversight of all euro-denominated assets and is keen to reduce its reliance on the City of London for finance, an economic activity it views as strategically important for the EU now that UK has left. Basically these were EU companies and Brussels had to withdraw its regulatory database companies in a bid to show the EU and UK have two different jurisdictions. EU companies and investors will for now have to use EU-based entities until the UK and EU agree common supervisory standards. The two sides are trying to draft a memorandum of understanding on future co-operation on financial services by the end of March, although it would not have the same legal force as an international treaty. So no we didn't loose 6 billion on the first day at all but 6 billion in trading 'shifted'. Much of this most likely will shift back when they agree on the new regulations in a couple months time. I bet it sounded good though to say we lost 6 billion on the first day in London.
So more lost revenue to the uk. Brexit really is a pig.
Keep trying. Of course there will be some list revenue with the changes. No one that I know of every denied that wouldn't be the case. But it's not a permanent thing.
If you bothered to read beyond your nose you'll have seen that it's a temporary thing and it's in the interest of both the EU and UK to sort out the details.
Just a point to raise for all those remoaners. Where did you ever get the entitlement that things should remain the same or always get better? They done change provide opportunities these can be better and sometimes not. However if you constantly moan and continually mute headline grabbing statements you're only really doing a disservice to yourselves. It doesn't effect the change that is happening only shows both you're lack of understanding and willingness to see the changes. Maybe that part of the reason change was voted for, because of the unwillingness for some to change.
Change isn't inherently good or bad. It depends on the nature of the change.
For example, changing to be a less prosperous, poorer nation, without the right to live and work in the EU. Is a negative change.
I agree fully with your first statement. Your example however is not an example but purely based upon speculation at best.
But it's a nice try to try and make your pov of what you think might happen due to Brexit into a factual example.
It's not a point of view. These are fact based.
Brexit has cost the economy billions. Business have up and left. We've introduced re tape where there was none. We're not free to live and work in EU countries.
You are free to live and work in EU countries take it from someone who has spent many years doing it
Was that before Jan the 1st 2021? because if it was....Means nothing does it!
Nothing has changed except a few more sheets of paper, compare that with the immigrants paying thousands and risking life..... not much to ask if you really want a job and to live.
It's not just a few pieces of paper. You have to meet all kinds of criteria. Age. Wealth. Skills. Etc.
As I said. Leavers voted to take away the opportunity for young people to enjoy the same experiences we had living and working in EU countries. so who are the young ppl that can’t live and work in the eu and what did you do when you lived and worked there ?
Who are the young people? Any who wanted to live and work freely in the EU.
What did I do there. Lots of fun stuff. Made friends. Had beers. Worked lots of different jobs. Travelled around. Sometimes stayed in. How much do you want to know?lots of fun stuff so you touted outside the bars then in Spain amd the islands and you really think the young brits arnt going to be doing that this year then lol
I've never actually been to Spain.
There's more to life than touting outside bars.
You can belittle me all you want. I don't care. But it doesn't change the facts of the situation.how the fuck am I belitteing you nothing wrong with touting outside bars iv done it me daughter as done it it’s a great life for a young person you said you worked in the eu had fun I just assumed you had done what tens of thousands of young ppl have done for decades I asked you what you done there you never actually said ?
I lived in EU countries for about 12 years. So I've done a lot of jobs.
Does the jobs I've done somehow impact the freedom of movement we've lost?
Apologies if I've missed any, I don't have my CV to hand.
Admin and cashflow at a financial institution.
Bar work.
Call centre work.
Worked for a tech company doing various roles.
Worked for a company that specialises in international tax for workers at other companies who were working in a country other than their domicile.
Plus I'm sure some other random jobs I've forgotten.that’s great bud aslong as you enjoyed it and had fun nothing else matters so you can still do them jobs can’t you maybe not the call centre I’m not sure ?
You asked me to tell you.
Then complain that I told you.
And no. I wouldn't have been able to have done this as a 22 year old today. lol where did I complain I said as long as you enjyed ya self and had fun bud read again maybe not the bar job amd call centre jobs saying that I’m sure there will be thousands of young Brutus doing them this summer as will the touts
Maybe some will work as yours.
I have no idea.
What we do know is. We've lost our freedom to live and work in the EU the way we once did.
I can only comment from what you have said but what you did was illegal if you stayed longer than 3 months without registering, which it's always been and still is the rule.
Why on earth would you automatically assume that I didn't register to pay local taxes?
In anycase. This freedom of movement we've lost. Is a minor point compared to the billions this costs brexit every year.
So I can see why you guys try to focus on this point.you have raised this point lots of times everyday for months mate lol howayman
Amongst many other points.
You guys pick this single issie and bash on and on about it. not saying it’s your only point bud it’s just a discussion you said freedom of movement for the young as gone I’m disagreeing with you ain’t that the point of the forum or should all is leavers roll over amd ageee I asked you a while back what do you really want to hear from a leaver you said am apology so I said ok I’m sorry but clearly asnt done the trick ffs can’t win "Don't want anything specific. It's just mad to watch people defending brexit matter what. | |||
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" I can only comment from what you have said but what you did was illegal if you stayed longer than 3 months without registering, which it's always been and still is the rule. Why on earth would you automatically assume that I didn't register to pay local taxes? In anycase. This freedom of movement we've lost. Is a minor point compared to the billions this costs brexit every year. So I can see why you guys try to focus on this point. will of the people is worth the billions to them. If the will of the people is for the country to be billions and billions of pounds worse off. Seems okay to question this will. How many times on these forums have we heard the rich should pay more for the poorer folk? Well now is their chance. Brexit was specifically about putting a greater burden on normal people to benefit those already at the top. But if there is a way to shift more emphasis onto people who can afford to contribute. I'm all for it." Hang on a minute, i thought you guys said it was about immigration oh no hang on, it was freedom of movement, no no it was cos they was all stupid, which is it? | |||
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" Why on earth would you automatically assume that I didn't register to pay local taxes? In anycase. This freedom of movement we've lost. Is a minor point compared to the billions this costs brexit every year. So I can see why you guys try to focus on this point. will of the people is worth the billions to them. You given up on saying the Government are putting people first in the pandemic? Peoples lives absolutely they are IMHO "What do you base that on? Because if that was the case there would be a balance something they reference a lot, also they would have followed SAGEs advice all the time too and in a timely manner. Have they done this even now? | |||
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What do you base that on? Because if that was the case there would be a balance something they reference a lot, also they would have followed SAGEs advice all the time too and in a timely manner. Have they done this even now?"*wouldn't be a balance. | |||
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" Why on earth would you automatically assume that I didn't register to pay local taxes? In anycase. This freedom of movement we've lost. Is a minor point compared to the billions this costs brexit every year. So I can see why you guys try to focus on this point. will of the people is worth the billions to them. You given up on saying the Government are putting people first in the pandemic? Peoples lives absolutely they are IMHO
What do you base that on? Because if that was the case there would be a balance something they reference a lot, also they would have followed SAGEs advice all the time too and in a timely manner. Have they done this even now?
*wouldn't be a balance."They could have not balanced, and killed lots more, they have never mentioned a 50-50 balance have they? | |||
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" Why on earth would you automatically assume that I didn't register to pay local taxes? In anycase. This freedom of movement we've lost. Is a minor point compared to the billions this costs brexit every year. So I can see why you guys try to focus on this point. will of the people is worth the billions to them. You given up on saying the Government are putting people first in the pandemic? Peoples lives absolutely they are IMHO
What do you base that on? Because if that was the case there would be a balance something they reference a lot, also they would have followed SAGEs advice all the time too and in a timely manner. Have they done this even now?
*wouldn't be a balance.
They could have not balanced, and killed lots more, they have never mentioned a 50-50 balance have they?"You were claiming they aren't balancing and they are putting people first, yet to see you back it up with evidence. By the way, balance by definition is 50-50 so what are you on about? | |||
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" I can only comment from what you have said but what you did was illegal if you stayed longer than 3 months without registering, which it's always been and still is the rule. Why on earth would you automatically assume that I didn't register to pay local taxes? In anycase. This freedom of movement we've lost. Is a minor point compared to the billions this costs brexit every year. So I can see why you guys try to focus on this point. will of the people is worth the billions to them. If the will of the people is for the country to be billions and billions of pounds worse off. Seems okay to question this will. How many times on these forums have we heard the rich should pay more for the poorer folk? Well now is their chance. Brexit was specifically about putting a greater burden on normal people to benefit those already at the top. But if there is a way to shift more emphasis onto people who can afford to contribute. I'm all for it. Hang on a minute, i thought you guys said it was about immigration oh no hang on, it was freedom of movement, no no it was cos they was all stupid, which is it?" I never suggested for a second that Brexit was really about any of these things. It was about the rich getting richer at everyone else's expense. Plain and simple. | |||
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" Why on earth would you automatically assume that I didn't register to pay local taxes? In anycase. This freedom of movement we've lost. Is a minor point compared to the billions this costs brexit every year. So I can see why you guys try to focus on this point. will of the people is worth the billions to them. You given up on saying the Government are putting people first in the pandemic? Peoples lives absolutely they are IMHO
What do you base that on? Because if that was the case there would be a balance something they reference a lot, also they would have followed SAGEs advice all the time too and in a timely manner. Have they done this even now?
*wouldn't be a balance.
They could have not balanced, and killed lots more, they have never mentioned a 50-50 balance have they?
You were claiming they aren't balancing and they are putting people first, yet to see you back it up with evidence.
By the way, balance by definition is 50-50 so what are you on about?"that depends which definition the government is using and if it's the same as yours | |||
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" Why on earth would you automatically assume that I didn't register to pay local taxes? In anycase. This freedom of movement we've lost. Is a minor point compared to the billions this costs brexit every year. So I can see why you guys try to focus on this point. will of the people is worth the billions to them. You given up on saying the Government are putting people first in the pandemic? Peoples lives absolutely they are IMHO
What do you base that on? Because if that was the case there would be a balance something they reference a lot, also they would have followed SAGEs advice all the time too and in a timely manner. Have they done this even now?
*wouldn't be a balance.
They could have not balanced, and killed lots more, they have never mentioned a 50-50 balance have they?
You were claiming they aren't balancing and they are putting people first, yet to see you back it up with evidence.
By the way, balance by definition is 50-50 so what are you on about?
that depends which definition the government is using and if it's the same as yours"Okay then, still waiting for you to post any evidence of the Government putting the people first? Eat out to help out maybe? Allowing people to be returned to care homes with out a test for months maybe? Sending millions of kids back to school for a day after Xmas when it was evident they were going to be closed anyway? | |||
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" Why on earth would you automatically assume that I didn't register to pay local taxes? In anycase. This freedom of movement we've lost. Is a minor point compared to the billions this costs brexit every year. So I can see why you guys try to focus on this point. will of the people is worth the billions to them. You given up on saying the Government are putting people first in the pandemic? Peoples lives absolutely they are IMHO
What do you base that on? Because if that was the case there would be a balance something they reference a lot, also they would have followed SAGEs advice all the time too and in a timely manner. Have they done this even now?
*wouldn't be a balance.
They could have not balanced, and killed lots more, they have never mentioned a 50-50 balance have they?
You were claiming they aren't balancing and they are putting people first, yet to see you back it up with evidence.
By the way, balance by definition is 50-50 so what are you on about?
that depends which definition the government is using and if it's the same as yours
Okay then, still waiting for you to post any evidence of the Government putting the people first?
Eat out to help out maybe?
Allowing people to be returned to care homes with out a test for months maybe?
Sending millions of kids back to school for a day after Xmas when it was evident they were going to be closed anyway?
"From the New Statesman about the Last lock down: "1. The Prime Minister preferred to celebrate Brexit, take holidays and sort out his matrimonial arrangements instead of preparing the nation’s defences against the looming pandemic in January and February. 2. He failed to take Covid-19 seriously even as the virus spread rapidly in March, allowing major sporting events to continue, boasting of shaking hands in hospitals and mocking “bizarre autarkic rhetoric” about lockdowns. His decision to delay a full national lockdown until 23 March contributed to around 20,000 deaths. 3. Johnson’s government and that of Theresa May, in which he served, failed to update contingency plans for a pandemic or to stockpile enough personal protective equipment for front line healthcare workers. 4. His government failed to protect care homes. At least 20,000 of Britain’s oldest and most vulnerable citizens died as a consequence. 5. He shut down Britain’s fledgling test and trace system in March, only to reinstate it in April. Seven months and £12bn later, it is still not fit for purpose 6. He gravely undermined his government’s authority in May by refusing to dismiss Dominic Cummings, his chief adviser, for breaking lockdown rules. 7. His government failed to quarantine foreigners arriving in Britain until June. 8. Johnson undermined public confidence in his government through repeated U-turns on issues ranging from free school meals to the NHS surcharge on foreign health workers. 9. He began relaxing the lockdown in June while the infection rate was still high, and against the advice of senior scientists. The restrictions that remained were so complex and scattershot that few people understood them. 10. His government equivocated on the wearing of face masks until late July. 11. His government’s failure to provide a workable A-level grading system in August caused distress to tens of thousands of students and chaos for universities. 12. Johnson has undermined public confidence in himself as a leader by constantly overpromising – notably on the delivery of a “world-beating” test and trace system and the government’s ability to defeat the virus by Easter, by the summer, by Christmas... 13. He has squandered the support of the devolved governments, city mayors, local authorities and MPs by failing adequately to consult, inform or involve them, preferring to govern by edict through a “Quad” consisting of just four senior ministers and himself. 14. His government has awarded more than £10bn of Covid-related contracts to private companies, many without competitive tender, several to cronies, and with some private consultants paid £7,000 a day. Few have delivered satisfactorily on those contracts. 15. Johnson has repeatedly vacillated between saving lives and saving the economy, between following the science and following his libertarian instincts. Thus, for example, he urged people to “eat out to help out” one month, and to stay at home the next. 16. His government failed to use the summer lull to prepare for the inevitable second wave of Covid-19 this winter. Instead of focusing on the gravest crisis Britain has faced since the Second World War, it pursued vendettas against the civil service, the BBC and the judiciary. 17. He refused to accept the EU’s offer to extend the Brexit transition period, ensuring additional turmoil and disruption when that period expires on 31 December. 18. His government’s communications policy has been characterised by confusion, deception, trite slogans and leaks – even the decision to impose a second lockdown was leaked. 19. He rejected calls from his scientific advisers in September, and from Keir Starmer in October, for a national two-week “circuit breaker” lockdown, preferring to rely on a system of tiered regional lockdowns that has failed to prevent the infection rate from surging once more. That delay means the second wave will be far more serious. 20. Beyond hoping for a vaccine that may or may not materialise, Johnson has yet to articulate a coherent strategy for defeating Covid-19 and rescuing the economy. Other governments have made similar mistakes as they have sought to tackle the hugely complex and unprecedented challenge posed by Covid-19, but few have made as many. As a result, the UK has suffered the highest number of excess deaths in Europe, and the worst economic recession of any G7 member state. Moreover, its dismal performance means the country enters this second lockdown in far worse shape than it entered the first. The government has forfeited the trust of those it purports to govern. People are angry, rebellious and fed up, and less willing to comply with the rules. Businesses have exhausted their reserves. Health workers are exhausted. Personal savings are depleted. The national unity, the “Blitz spirit”, the sense of shared adversity that sustained the UK through the first lockdown, which saw millions of people signing up as volunteers and applauding the NHS on Thursday evenings, has largely vanished, as has the warm, sunny weather of last spring. With the infection rate, death toll and unemployment set to soar once more, with thousands of businesses likely to go bust, and with months of wet days, dark nights and severe social restrictions ahead, the country faces its bleakest winter in memory." | |||
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" Why on earth would you automatically assume that I didn't register to pay local taxes? In anycase. This freedom of movement we've lost. Is a minor point compared to the billions this costs brexit every year. So I can see why you guys try to focus on this point. will of the people is worth the billions to them. You given up on saying the Government are putting people first in the pandemic? Peoples lives absolutely they are IMHO
What do you base that on? Because if that was the case there would be a balance something they reference a lot, also they would have followed SAGEs advice all the time too and in a timely manner. Have they done this even now?
*wouldn't be a balance.
They could have not balanced, and killed lots more, they have never mentioned a 50-50 balance have they?
You were claiming they aren't balancing and they are putting people first, yet to see you back it up with evidence.
By the way, balance by definition is 50-50 so what are you on about?
that depends which definition the government is using and if it's the same as yours
Okay then, still waiting for you to post any evidence of the Government putting the people first?
Eat out to help out maybe?
Allowing people to be returned to care homes with out a test for months maybe?
Sending millions of kids back to school for a day after Xmas when it was evident they were going to be closed anyway?
From the New Statesman about the Last lock down:
"1. The Prime Minister preferred to celebrate Brexit, take holidays and sort out his matrimonial arrangements instead of preparing the nation’s defences against the looming pandemic in January and February.
2. He failed to take Covid-19 seriously even as the virus spread rapidly in March, allowing major sporting events to continue, boasting of shaking hands in hospitals and mocking “bizarre autarkic rhetoric” about lockdowns. His decision to delay a full national lockdown until 23 March contributed to around 20,000 deaths.
3. Johnson’s government and that of Theresa May, in which he served, failed to update contingency plans for a pandemic or to stockpile enough personal protective equipment for front line healthcare workers.
4. His government failed to protect care homes. At least 20,000 of Britain’s oldest and most vulnerable citizens died as a consequence.
5. He shut down Britain’s fledgling test and trace system in March, only to reinstate it in April. Seven months and £12bn later, it is still not fit for purpose
6. He gravely undermined his government’s authority in May by refusing to dismiss Dominic Cummings, his chief adviser, for breaking lockdown rules.
7. His government failed to quarantine foreigners arriving in Britain until June.
8. Johnson undermined public confidence in his government through repeated U-turns on issues ranging from free school meals to the NHS surcharge on foreign health workers.
9. He began relaxing the lockdown in June while the infection rate was still high, and against the advice of senior scientists. The restrictions that remained were so complex and scattershot that few people understood them.
10. His government equivocated on the wearing of face masks until late July.
11. His government’s failure to provide a workable A-level grading system in August caused distress to tens of thousands of students and chaos for universities.
12. Johnson has undermined public confidence in himself as a leader by constantly overpromising – notably on the delivery of a “world-beating” test and trace system and the government’s ability to defeat the virus by Easter, by the summer, by Christmas...
13. He has squandered the support of the devolved governments, city mayors, local authorities and MPs by failing adequately to consult, inform or involve them, preferring to govern by edict through a “Quad” consisting of just four senior ministers and himself.
14. His government has awarded more than £10bn of Covid-related contracts to private companies, many without competitive tender, several to cronies, and with some private consultants paid £7,000 a day. Few have delivered satisfactorily on those contracts.
15. Johnson has repeatedly vacillated between saving lives and saving the economy, between following the science and following his libertarian instincts. Thus, for example, he urged people to “eat out to help out” one month, and to stay at home the next.
16. His government failed to use the summer lull to prepare for the inevitable second wave of Covid-19 this winter. Instead of focusing on the gravest crisis Britain has faced since the Second World War, it pursued vendettas against the civil service, the BBC and the judiciary.
17. He refused to accept the EU’s offer to extend the Brexit transition period, ensuring additional turmoil and disruption when that period expires on 31 December.
18. His government’s communications policy has been characterised by confusion, deception, trite slogans and leaks – even the decision to impose a second lockdown was leaked.
19. He rejected calls from his scientific advisers in September, and from Keir Starmer in October, for a national two-week “circuit breaker” lockdown, preferring to rely on a system of tiered regional lockdowns that has failed to prevent the infection rate from surging once more. That delay means the second wave will be far more serious.
20. Beyond hoping for a vaccine that may or may not materialise, Johnson has yet to articulate a coherent strategy for defeating Covid-19 and rescuing the economy.
Other governments have made similar mistakes as they have sought to tackle the hugely complex and unprecedented challenge posed by Covid-19, but few have made as many. As a result, the UK has suffered the highest number of excess deaths in Europe, and the worst economic recession of any G7 member state.
Moreover, its dismal performance means the country enters this second lockdown in far worse shape than it entered the first. The government has forfeited the trust of those it purports to govern. People are angry, rebellious and fed up, and less willing to comply with the rules. Businesses have exhausted their reserves. Health workers are exhausted. Personal savings are depleted.
The national unity, the “Blitz spirit”, the sense of shared adversity that sustained the UK through the first lockdown, which saw millions of people signing up as volunteers and applauding the NHS on Thursday evenings, has largely vanished, as has the warm, sunny weather of last spring.
With the infection rate, death toll and unemployment set to soar once more, with thousands of businesses likely to go bust, and with months of wet days, dark nights and severe social restrictions ahead, the country faces its bleakest winter in memory."
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