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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. " News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. " The Great British Empire?  | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. The Great British Empire? "Yep now we’ve defeated Brussels I think we should go and sort out those colonials in America, they clearly need our help. | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. " A once in a generation vote - well most of the no voters are dead because it was the older population brought up on a diet of fear and pink coloured empire maps that carried the day. That generation is no longer with us in the numbers to deny Scotland freedom as a sovereign nation. | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. A once in a generation vote - well most of the no voters are dead because it was the older population brought up on a diet of fear and pink coloured empire maps that carried the day. That generation is no longer with us in the numbers to deny Scotland freedom as a sovereign nation. " Is that what Nicola has told you? | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. A once in a generation vote - well most of the no voters are dead because it was the older population brought up on a diet of fear and pink coloured empire maps that carried the day. That generation is no longer with us in the numbers to deny Scotland freedom as a sovereign nation. Is that what Nicola has told you? " It’s a reality. The majority of no voters were in the older generations. The combined Tory and Labour approach to hold onto Scotland preyed on their fears snd years of being told Scotland relied on Westminster handouts. In the years since the Scottish referendum many new younger people have reached voting age. This generation is pissed off after being taken out of Europe. You can’t deny the reality of this. You will not like it when Scotland goes. | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. A once in a generation vote - well most of the no voters are dead because it was the older population brought up on a diet of fear and pink coloured empire maps that carried the day. That generation is no longer with us in the numbers to deny Scotland freedom as a sovereign nation. Is that what Nicola has told you? It’s a reality. The majority of no voters were in the older generations. The combined Tory and Labour approach to hold onto Scotland preyed on their fears snd years of being told Scotland relied on Westminster handouts. In the years since the Scottish referendum many new younger people have reached voting age. This generation is pissed off after being taken out of Europe. You can’t deny the reality of this. You will not like it when Scotland goes. " I never understand why Scottish folk think the English care one way or another. If you want to leave it really is ok with us. If it means we don't have to hear about it ever again then I'm all for it | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. " No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. A once in a generation vote - well most of the no voters are dead because it was the older population brought up on a diet of fear and pink coloured empire maps that carried the day. That generation is no longer with us in the numbers to deny Scotland freedom as a sovereign nation. " Oh really.! I remember one Sir Sean Connery who was very much for an independent Scotland who died in 2020. So you're argument is very flawed.! | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. " Yes, but Westminster has to allow a referendum. And they won't. | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. A once in a generation vote - well most of the no voters are dead because it was the older population brought up on a diet of fear and pink coloured empire maps that carried the day. That generation is no longer with us in the numbers to deny Scotland freedom as a sovereign nation. " so in 6 years you think that only one side of the vote has died, the only people to of changed their mind is to the independence side? & The SNP only got 45% of the vote, surely they should be getting 60% before thinking of this. 55% voted otherwise | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. Yes, but Westminster has to allow a referendum. And they won't. " Surely if you do something by force, it hardly helps the situation,and will make the snp even more popular. The usual dismissive attitude shown to them doesnt help. Suppose it depends if they have any leverage. | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. A once in a generation vote - well most of the no voters are dead because it was the older population brought up on a diet of fear and pink coloured empire maps that carried the day. That generation is no longer with us in the numbers to deny Scotland freedom as a sovereign nation. Is that what Nicola has told you? It’s a reality. The majority of no voters were in the older generations. The combined Tory and Labour approach to hold onto Scotland preyed on their fears snd years of being told Scotland relied on Westminster handouts. In the years since the Scottish referendum many new younger people have reached voting age. This generation is pissed off after being taken out of Europe. You can’t deny the reality of this. You will not like it when Scotland goes. " At the last election with one main objective the SNP only got 45% of the vote, that means 55% didn’t, you see the problem with your argument? | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. Yes, but Westminster has to allow a referendum. And they won't. " Well maybe Alex Salmond shouldn’t of agreed to a once in a generation vote, maybe he should of asked for one every 10 years. | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. The Great British Empire?
Yep now we’ve defeated Brussels I think we should go and sort out those colonials in America, they clearly need our help."Do they? Who is a current member of the ‘Great British Empire ‘ | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. Yes, but Westminster has to allow a referendum. And they won't. Well maybe Alex Salmond shouldn’t of agreed to a once in a generation vote, maybe he should of asked for one every 10 years. " Anyway we need you guys, & it’s not fair if you leave us in our own with them lot in that far away place called London. | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. A once in a generation vote - well most of the no voters are dead because it was the older population brought up on a diet of fear and pink coloured empire maps that carried the day. That generation is no longer with us in the numbers to deny Scotland freedom as a sovereign nation. Is that what Nicola has told you? It’s a reality. The majority of no voters were in the older generations. The combined Tory and Labour approach to hold onto Scotland preyed on their fears snd years of being told Scotland relied on Westminster handouts. In the years since the Scottish referendum many new younger people have reached voting age. This generation is pissed off after being taken out of Europe. You can’t deny the reality of this. You will not like it when Scotland goes. " Even the younger voters will want to see a credible financial plan this time around. If its a convincing one then they have a decent chance of winning. If not I would expect a similar result to indi 1 | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. A once in a generation vote - well most of the no voters are dead because it was the older population brought up on a diet of fear and pink coloured empire maps that carried the day. That generation is no longer with us in the numbers to deny Scotland freedom as a sovereign nation. Is that what Nicola has told you? It’s a reality. The majority of no voters were in the older generations. The combined Tory and Labour approach to hold onto Scotland preyed on their fears snd years of being told Scotland relied on Westminster handouts. In the years since the Scottish referendum many new younger people have reached voting age. This generation is pissed off after being taken out of Europe. You can’t deny the reality of this. You will not like it when Scotland goes. Even the younger voters will want to see a credible financial plan this time around. If its a convincing one then they have a decent chance of winning. If not I would expect a similar result to indi 1" So does that mean the SNP will wait for an oil price surge before asking for another independence vote? | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. A once in a generation vote - well most of the no voters are dead because it was the older population brought up on a diet of fear and pink coloured empire maps that carried the day. That generation is no longer with us in the numbers to deny Scotland freedom as a sovereign nation. Is that what Nicola has told you? It’s a reality. The majority of no voters were in the older generations. The combined Tory and Labour approach to hold onto Scotland preyed on their fears snd years of being told Scotland relied on Westminster handouts. In the years since the Scottish referendum many new younger people have reached voting age. This generation is pissed off after being taken out of Europe. You can’t deny the reality of this. You will not like it when Scotland goes. Even the younger voters will want to see a credible financial plan this time around. If its a convincing one then they have a decent chance of winning. If not I would expect a similar result to indi 1 So does that mean the SNP will wait for an oil price surge before asking for another independence vote?" I think if they do it will not be a credible plan given how volatile it is and its importance receding. A big push on green energy I would have thought but not sure its enough. Knowing what currency they will use at the start of the campaign may help too lol | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. A once in a generation vote - well most of the no voters are dead because it was the older population brought up on a diet of fear and pink coloured empire maps that carried the day. That generation is no longer with us in the numbers to deny Scotland freedom as a sovereign nation. Is that what Nicola has told you? It’s a reality. The majority of no voters were in the older generations. The combined Tory and Labour approach to hold onto Scotland preyed on their fears snd years of being told Scotland relied on Westminster handouts. In the years since the Scottish referendum many new younger people have reached voting age. This generation is pissed off after being taken out of Europe. You can’t deny the reality of this. You will not like it when Scotland goes. Even the younger voters will want to see a credible financial plan this time around. If its a convincing one then they have a decent chance of winning. If not I would expect a similar result to indi 1 So does that mean the SNP will wait for an oil price surge before asking for another independence vote?" Thats when the Shetland Islands start making noises about independence from an independent Scotland. | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. A once in a generation vote - well most of the no voters are dead because it was the older population brought up on a diet of fear and pink coloured empire maps that carried the day. That generation is no longer with us in the numbers to deny Scotland freedom as a sovereign nation. Is that what Nicola has told you? It’s a reality. The majority of no voters were in the older generations. The combined Tory and Labour approach to hold onto Scotland preyed on their fears snd years of being told Scotland relied on Westminster handouts. In the years since the Scottish referendum many new younger people have reached voting age. This generation is pissed off after being taken out of Europe. You can’t deny the reality of this. You will not like it when Scotland goes. Even the younger voters will want to see a credible financial plan this time around. If its a convincing one then they have a decent chance of winning. If not I would expect a similar result to indi 1 So does that mean the SNP will wait for an oil price surge before asking for another independence vote? I think if they do it will not be a credible plan given how volatile it is and its importance receding. A big push on green energy I would have thought but not sure its enough. Knowing what currency they will use at the start of the campaign may help too lol" & then all the trade talks with their biggest trading partner the UK (England) at £51 billion pounds. & that’s before any negotiations to join the eu. | |||
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"Scottish elections to the devolved parliament take place soon, if the SNP win a large majority as expected, why don't they just do the Same as the Irish did 100 years ago and declare an independent republic of Scotland Set up there own army, call it the SRA and if the English do not accept the decision of the democratically elected Scottish government, fight them like we did in our war of independence, We Irish found out the very hard way, that the only thing that the government in London understand is force " Seeing as the SNP don’t want Trident you’d be up against a nuclear power lol | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. A once in a generation vote - well most of the no voters are dead because it was the older population brought up on a diet of fear and pink coloured empire maps that carried the day. That generation is no longer with us in the numbers to deny Scotland freedom as a sovereign nation. Is that what Nicola has told you? It’s a reality. The majority of no voters were in the older generations. The combined Tory and Labour approach to hold onto Scotland preyed on their fears snd years of being told Scotland relied on Westminster handouts. In the years since the Scottish referendum many new younger people have reached voting age. This generation is pissed off after being taken out of Europe. You can’t deny the reality of this. You will not like it when Scotland goes. Even the younger voters will want to see a credible financial plan this time around. If its a convincing one then they have a decent chance of winning. If not I would expect a similar result to indi 1 So does that mean the SNP will wait for an oil price surge before asking for another independence vote? Thats when the Shetland Islands start making noises about independence from an independent Scotland. "just send 23000 independence voters there lol. | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. A once in a generation vote - well most of the no voters are dead because it was the older population brought up on a diet of fear and pink coloured empire maps that carried the day. That generation is no longer with us in the numbers to deny Scotland freedom as a sovereign nation. Is that what Nicola has told you? It’s a reality. The majority of no voters were in the older generations. The combined Tory and Labour approach to hold onto Scotland preyed on their fears snd years of being told Scotland relied on Westminster handouts. In the years since the Scottish referendum many new younger people have reached voting age. This generation is pissed off after being taken out of Europe. You can’t deny the reality of this. You will not like it when Scotland goes. Even the younger voters will want to see a credible financial plan this time around. If its a convincing one then they have a decent chance of winning. If not I would expect a similar result to indi 1 So does that mean the SNP will wait for an oil price surge before asking for another independence vote? Thats when the Shetland Islands start making noises about independence from an independent Scotland. just send 23000 independence voters there lol. "Anyway you still can’t leave us, or where will the Buckfast come from & what about my malt whisky you can’t leave me with no whisky have you never seen the film Whisky Galore. It would be a dark place with no whisky & only London gin to stick in my throat  | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. A once in a generation vote - well most of the no voters are dead because it was the older population brought up on a diet of fear and pink coloured empire maps that carried the day. That generation is no longer with us in the numbers to deny Scotland freedom as a sovereign nation. Oh really.! I remember one Sir Sean Connery who was very much for an independent Scotland who died in 2020. So you're argument is very flawed.! "But he wasn’t eligible to vote so he doesn’t count lol | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. A once in a generation vote - well most of the no voters are dead because it was the older population brought up on a diet of fear and pink coloured empire maps that carried the day. That generation is no longer with us in the numbers to deny Scotland freedom as a sovereign nation. Is that what Nicola has told you? It’s a reality. The majority of no voters were in the older generations. The combined Tory and Labour approach to hold onto Scotland preyed on their fears snd years of being told Scotland relied on Westminster handouts. In the years since the Scottish referendum many new younger people have reached voting age. This generation is pissed off after being taken out of Europe. You can’t deny the reality of this. You will not like it when Scotland goes. I never understand why Scottish folk think the English care one way or another. If you want to leave it really is ok with us. If it means we don't have to hear about it ever again then I'm all for it" me too ! Let them go and we won't look back  | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. Yes, but Westminster has to allow a referendum. And they won't. Well maybe Alex Salmond shouldn’t of agreed to a once in a generation vote, maybe he should of asked for one every 10 years. " Can you show anywhere that this has been signed and made law ?I can tell you the Smith commission signed by all Scottish leaders saying the scottish ppl can have a referendum if they so wish | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. Yes, but Westminster has to allow a referendum. And they won't. Well maybe Alex Salmond shouldn’t of agreed to a once in a generation vote, maybe he should of asked for one every 10 years. Can you show anywhere that this has been signed and made law ?I can tell you the Smith commission signed by all Scottish leaders saying the scottish ppl can have a referendum if they so wish " The Smith Commision says no such thing. Its purpose was to guarantee more devolved powers to Scotland. | |||
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"Is waiting for enough people to die the SNP's best hope. Seems a bit macabre" Old people are set in their way - even if you give them the truth and facts - change is to difficult. If you follow the polls on Scottish views it’s a major influence. It’s a small nation 5m people so this type of change in the voting population does make a difference. | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. Yes, but Westminster has to allow a referendum. And they won't. Well maybe Alex Salmond shouldn’t of agreed to a once in a generation vote, maybe he should of asked for one every 10 years. Can you show anywhere that this has been signed and made law ?I can tell you the Smith commission signed by all Scottish leaders saying the scottish ppl can have a referendum if they so wish The Smith Commision says no such thing. Its purpose was to guarantee more devolved powers to Scotland. " Oh yes it does check it on Google | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. Yes, but Westminster has to allow a referendum. And they won't. Well maybe Alex Salmond shouldn’t of agreed to a once in a generation vote, maybe he should of asked for one every 10 years. Can you show anywhere that this has been signed and made law ?I can tell you the Smith commission signed by all Scottish leaders saying the scottish ppl can have a referendum if they so wish The Smith Commision says no such thing. Its purpose was to guarantee more devolved powers to Scotland. Oh yes it does check it on Google " I'm happy to be educated. Please show me where. | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. Yes, but Westminster has to allow a referendum. And they won't. Well maybe Alex Salmond shouldn’t of agreed to a once in a generation vote, maybe he should of asked for one every 10 years. Can you show anywhere that this has been signed and made law ?I can tell you the Smith commission signed by all Scottish leaders saying the scottish ppl can have a referendum if they so wish The Smith Commision says no such thing. Its purpose was to guarantee more devolved powers to Scotland. " I think for it to be legal and recognized they need to apply via Westminster for section 30 which transfers the required power to hold the referendum. So far sturgen has maintained she will follow the legal path though that may change if she gets frustrated. Problem with not going legal is it could end up like Catalonia situation | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. Yes, but Westminster has to allow a referendum. And they won't. Well maybe Alex Salmond shouldn’t of agreed to a once in a generation vote, maybe he should of asked for one every 10 years. Can you show anywhere that this has been signed and made law ?I can tell you the Smith commission signed by all Scottish leaders saying the scottish ppl can have a referendum if they so wish The Smith Commision says no such thing. Its purpose was to guarantee more devolved powers to Scotland. " Paragraph 18 states it is agreed that nothing in this report prevents scotland becoming an independant country in the future should the ppl of scotland so choose,signed by all party leaders | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. Yes, but Westminster has to allow a referendum. And they won't. Well maybe Alex Salmond shouldn’t of agreed to a once in a generation vote, maybe he should of asked for one every 10 years. Can you show anywhere that this has been signed and made law ?I can tell you the Smith commission signed by all Scottish leaders saying the scottish ppl can have a referendum if they so wish The Smith Commision says no such thing. Its purpose was to guarantee more devolved powers to Scotland. I think for it to be legal and recognized they need to apply via Westminster for section 30 which transfers the required power to hold the referendum. So far sturgen has maintained she will follow the legal path though that may change if she gets frustrated. Problem with not going legal is it could end up like Catalonia situation" Exactly that. Whilst Smith accepts Scotland's right to self-determination, it does not allow Scotland to have referendums without Westminster granting the legal powers to do so. | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. Yes, but Westminster has to allow a referendum. And they won't. Well maybe Alex Salmond shouldn’t of agreed to a once in a generation vote, maybe he should of asked for one every 10 years. Can you show anywhere that this has been signed and made law ?I can tell you the Smith commission signed by all Scottish leaders saying the scottish ppl can have a referendum if they so wish The Smith Commision says no such thing. Its purpose was to guarantee more devolved powers to Scotland. I think for it to be legal and recognized they need to apply via Westminster for section 30 which transfers the required power to hold the referendum. So far sturgen has maintained she will follow the legal path though that may change if she gets frustrated. Problem with not going legal is it could end up like Catalonia situation Exactly that. Whilst Smith accepts Scotland's right to self-determination, it does not allow Scotland to have referendums without Westminster granting the legal powers to do so. " Once they start taking devolved powers back we should leave and let the courts decide | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. A once in a generation vote - well most of the no voters are dead because it was the older population brought up on a diet of fear and pink coloured empire maps that carried the day. That generation is no longer with us in the numbers to deny Scotland freedom as a sovereign nation. so in 6 years you think that only one side of the vote has died, the only people to of changed their mind is to the independence side? & The SNP only got 45% of the vote, surely they should be getting 60% before thinking of this. 55% voted otherwise " The last 17 polls have put support for independence between 53-58% its only a matter of time | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. A once in a generation vote - well most of the no voters are dead because it was the older population brought up on a diet of fear and pink coloured empire maps that carried the day. That generation is no longer with us in the numbers to deny Scotland freedom as a sovereign nation. so in 6 years you think that only one side of the vote has died, the only people to of changed their mind is to the independence side? & The SNP only got 45% of the vote, surely they should be getting 60% before thinking of this. 55% voted otherwise The last 17 polls have put support for independence between 53-58% its only a matter of time " Not going to happen... | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. Yes, but Westminster has to allow a referendum. And they won't. Well maybe Alex Salmond shouldn’t of agreed to a once in a generation vote, maybe he should of asked for one every 10 years. Can you show anywhere that this has been signed and made law ?I can tell you the Smith commission signed by all Scottish leaders saying the scottish ppl can have a referendum if they so wish The Smith Commision says no such thing. Its purpose was to guarantee more devolved powers to Scotland. I think for it to be legal and recognized they need to apply via Westminster for section 30 which transfers the required power to hold the referendum. So far sturgen has maintained she will follow the legal path though that may change if she gets frustrated. Problem with not going legal is it could end up like Catalonia situation Exactly that. Whilst Smith accepts Scotland's right to self-determination, it does not allow Scotland to have referendums without Westminster granting the legal powers to do so. " That was my understanding too that Scotland have the right to request a vote but only Westminster can grant it | |||
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"Scottish banknotes are only legal currency. " Scotland tried this in indie 1 (after other attempts). The problem was that they wanted the bank of England to be the lender of last resort which was instantly rejected. They can of course use another countries currency like the pound or dollar or euro but need to hold huge reserves | |||
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"Scottish banknotes are only legal currency. Scotland tried this in indie 1 (after other attempts). The problem was that they wanted the bank of England to be the lender of last resort which was instantly rejected. They can of course use another countries currency like the pound or dollar or euro but need to hold huge reserves" Scottish currency isnt even legal tender in Scotland. | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. Yes, but Westminster has to allow a referendum. And they won't. Well maybe Alex Salmond shouldn’t of agreed to a once in a generation vote, maybe he should of asked for one every 10 years. Can you show anywhere that this has been signed and made law ?I can tell you the Smith commission signed by all Scottish leaders saying the scottish ppl can have a referendum if they so wish The Smith Commision says no such thing. Its purpose was to guarantee more devolved powers to Scotland. I think for it to be legal and recognized they need to apply via Westminster for section 30 which transfers the required power to hold the referendum. So far sturgen has maintained she will follow the legal path though that may change if she gets frustrated. Problem with not going legal is it could end up like Catalonia situation Exactly that. Whilst Smith accepts Scotland's right to self-determination, it does not allow Scotland to have referendums without Westminster granting the legal powers to do so. That was my understanding too that Scotland have the right to request a vote but only Westminster can grant it" And there lies the problem words like grant it or allow it,its a treaty of union and can be broken by either side if they so wish | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. A once in a generation vote - well most of the no voters are dead because it was the older population brought up on a diet of fear and pink coloured empire maps that carried the day. That generation is no longer with us in the numbers to deny Scotland freedom as a sovereign nation. so in 6 years you think that only one side of the vote has died, the only people to of changed their mind is to the independence side? & The SNP only got 45% of the vote, surely they should be getting 60% before thinking of this. 55% voted otherwise The last 17 polls have put support for independence between 53-58% its only a matter of time What is the Scottish currency? The pound Wrong! It’s the ‘poond’ Never heard of that" I think it was an attempt to spell pound as Scots pronounce it | |||
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"I'm sure if boris can break an international treaty the Scots don't need pygmy little englanders permission to go independent. Except he didn't. He was ready to until the EU told him to change his tune which he promptly did." Again, not true. The Internal Markets Bill, including the offending clauses, was voted through the HoC. Only a trade agreement with the EU, which we finally got, would deactivate those clauses. | |||
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"I'm sure if boris can break an international treaty the Scots don't need pygmy little englanders permission to go independent. Except he didn't. He was ready to until the EU told him to change his tune which he promptly did. Again, not true. The Internal Markets Bill, including the offending clauses, was voted through the HoC. Only a trade agreement with the EU, which we finally got, would deactivate those clauses. " Exactly. A signed and sealed international agreement should not be put in danger, it has happened before in some tin pot dictatorships. | |||
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"I'm sure if boris can break an international treaty the Scots don't need pygmy little englanders permission to go independent. Except he didn't. He was ready to until the EU told him to change his tune which he promptly did. Again, not true. The Internal Markets Bill, including the offending clauses, was voted through the HoC. Only a trade agreement with the EU, which we finally got, would deactivate those clauses. " So many papers were lying on the 8th of December then for example the metro: "Britain has agreed to pull controversial clauses in a draft law that breach the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement and could have seen the divorce deal torn up. Senior minister Michael Gove announced an ‘agreement in principle on all issues, in particular with regard to the Protocol on Ireland and Northern Ireland’. In view of these ‘mutually-agreed solutions’, the UK will now withdraw clauses 44, 45 and 47 of the UK Internal Market Bill!" | |||
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"I'm sure if boris can break an international treaty the Scots don't need pygmy little englanders permission to go independent. Except he didn't. He was ready to until the EU told him to change his tune which he promptly did. Again, not true. The Internal Markets Bill, including the offending clauses, was voted through the HoC. Only a trade agreement with the EU, which we finally got, would deactivate those clauses. So many papers were lying on the 8th of December then for example the metro: "Britain has agreed to pull controversial clauses in a draft law that breach the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement and could have seen the divorce deal torn up. Senior minister Michael Gove announced an ‘agreement in principle on all issues, in particular with regard to the Protocol on Ireland and Northern Ireland’. In view of these ‘mutually-agreed solutions’, the UK will now withdraw clauses 44, 45 and 47 of the UK Internal Market Bill!" " This happened a day after the HoC vote. Michael Gove met EU Commision vice president Maros Sevcovic, in an unscheduled meeting, and agreed to take the clauses out after reaching compromise with the Commision on Northern Ireland Trade events. Political commentators will debate for a longtime yet, whether this was a piece of negotiation theatre. | |||
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"I'm sure if boris can break an international treaty the Scots don't need pygmy little englanders permission to go independent. Except he didn't. He was ready to until the EU told him to change his tune which he promptly did. Again, not true. The Internal Markets Bill, including the offending clauses, was voted through the HoC. Only a trade agreement with the EU, which we finally got, would deactivate those clauses. So many papers were lying on the 8th of December then for example the metro: "Britain has agreed to pull controversial clauses in a draft law that breach the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement and could have seen the divorce deal torn up. Senior minister Michael Gove announced an ‘agreement in principle on all issues, in particular with regard to the Protocol on Ireland and Northern Ireland’. In view of these ‘mutually-agreed solutions’, the UK will now withdraw clauses 44, 45 and 47 of the UK Internal Market Bill!" This happened a day after the HoC vote. Michael Gove met EU Commision vice president Maros Sevcovic, in an unscheduled meeting, and agreed to take the clauses out after reaching compromise with the Commision on Northern Ireland Trade events. Political commentators will debate for a longtime yet, whether this was a piece of negotiation theatre. " So the bit about removing the clauses? That doesn't fit in with what you said earlier does it? | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. Yes, but Westminster has to allow a referendum. And they won't. Well maybe Alex Salmond shouldn’t of agreed to a once in a generation vote, maybe he should of asked for one every 10 years. Can you show anywhere that this has been signed and made law ?I can tell you the Smith commission signed by all Scottish leaders saying the scottish ppl can have a referendum if they so wish The Smith Commision says no such thing. Its purpose was to guarantee more devolved powers to Scotland. I think for it to be legal and recognized they need to apply via Westminster for section 30 which transfers the required power to hold the referendum. So far sturgen has maintained she will follow the legal path though that may change if she gets frustrated. Problem with not going legal is it could end up like Catalonia situation Exactly that. Whilst Smith accepts Scotland's right to self-determination, it does not allow Scotland to have referendums without Westminster granting the legal powers to do so. That was my understanding too that Scotland have the right to request a vote but only Westminster can grant it And there lies the problem words like grant it or allow it,its a treaty of union and can be broken by either side if they so wish " I'm not sure what other word I could have used when its a requirement for one part to give permission to another but I did not mean to cause offence. I am just pointing out the facts. These are confirmed by the SNP who requested section 30 last year | |||
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"To be honest I'm not surprised the Scots will be getting independence, it turns out Gibraltar now has a separate treaty and so does northern ireland, they must be looking at those treaties and thinking WTF." Not sure Scotland will want the same as Gibraltar or NI as both arrangements say they are now and will remain part of the UK. | |||
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"I'm sure if boris can break an international treaty the Scots don't need pygmy little englanders permission to go independent. Except he didn't. He was ready to until the EU told him to change his tune which he promptly did." He was never going to break to break the treaty it was a bluff that worked well played Boris.He seemed to fool a lot of so called clever people which suprised me | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. Think covid is the most important for all sides right now" Covid affects will be felt for a few months yet wish it was the same with brexit. | |||
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"I'm sure if boris can break an international treaty the Scots don't need pygmy little englanders permission to go independent. Except he didn't. He was ready to until the EU told him to change his tune which he promptly did.He was never going to break to break the treaty it was a bluff that worked well played Boris.He seemed to fool a lot of so called clever people which suprised me" Surprising thing is its an old tacit but obviously still effective | |||
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"I'm sure if boris can break an international treaty the Scots don't need pygmy little englanders permission to go independent. Except he didn't. He was ready to until the EU told him to change his tune which he promptly did.He was never going to break to break the treaty it was a bluff that worked well played Boris.He seemed to fool a lot of so called clever people which suprised me Surprising thing is its an old tacit but obviously still effective" Luckily for everyone the EU didn't blink and the treaty stands. | |||
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"I'm sure if boris can break an international treaty the Scots don't need pygmy little englanders permission to go independent. Except he didn't. He was ready to until the EU told him to change his tune which he promptly did.He was never going to break to break the treaty it was a bluff that worked well played Boris.He seemed to fool a lot of so called clever people which suprised me Surprising thing is its an old tacit but obviously still effective Luckily for everyone the EU didn't blink and the treaty stands." The treaty was always supposed to stand that's the point | |||
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"I'm sure if boris can break an international treaty the Scots don't need pygmy little englanders permission to go independent. Except he didn't. He was ready to until the EU told him to change his tune which he promptly did.He was never going to break to break the treaty it was a bluff that worked well played Boris.He seemed to fool a lot of so called clever people which suprised me Surprising thing is its an old tacit but obviously still effective Luckily for everyone the EU didn't blink and the treaty stands. The treaty was always supposed to stand that's the point" Exactly, boris being silly I guess. | |||
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"I hate to say it but even if 100% of the Scottish electorate voted for the SNP, Westminster still wouldn't agree to another Referendum. Which means UDI is the only route. At which point either England goes 'old school' and sends in the security forces and violence erupts for however many years costing billions (because we need more debt right?), or negotiations happen. Scotland may try and pin its hopes on oil, but Westminster won't give it up. And Scotland doesn't have the means to take it by force. Currency wise, the Euro would be the obvious choice to use, especially to court membership if the EU. I believe there are Mints in Scotland already to print it? That would make the ECB the lender of last resort. The recent Withdrawal Agreement terms would be a great help to Scotland as a member. We will have to see what the terms of the trade agreement are (in however many years it takes to agree!)." We dont have the balls anymore to send troops into scotland like we did in Ireland so if 100% of scotland voted for independence that would be that, especially with the EU on their side. | |||
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"I hate to say it but even if 100% of the Scottish electorate voted for the SNP, Westminster still wouldn't agree to another Referendum. Which means UDI is the only route. At which point either England goes 'old school' and sends in the security forces and violence erupts for however many years costing billions (because we need more debt right?), or negotiations happen. Scotland may try and pin its hopes on oil, but Westminster won't give it up. And Scotland doesn't have the means to take it by force. Currency wise, the Euro would be the obvious choice to use, especially to court membership if the EU. I believe there are Mints in Scotland already to print it? That would make the ECB the lender of last resort. The recent Withdrawal Agreement terms would be a great help to Scotland as a member. We will have to see what the terms of the trade agreement are (in however many years it takes to agree!). We dont have the balls anymore to send troops into scotland like we did in Ireland so if 100% of scotland voted for independence that would be that, especially with the EU on their side." why would the EU be on their side? | |||
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"I hate to say it but even if 100% of the Scottish electorate voted for the SNP, Westminster still wouldn't agree to another Referendum. Which means UDI is the only route. At which point either England goes 'old school' and sends in the security forces and violence erupts for however many years costing billions (because we need more debt right?), or negotiations happen. Scotland may try and pin its hopes on oil, but Westminster won't give it up. And Scotland doesn't have the means to take it by force. Currency wise, the Euro would be the obvious choice to use, especially to court membership if the EU. I believe there are Mints in Scotland already to print it? That would make the ECB the lender of last resort. The recent Withdrawal Agreement terms would be a great help to Scotland as a member. We will have to see what the terms of the trade agreement are (in however many years it takes to agree!). We dont have the balls anymore to send troops into scotland like we did in Ireland so if 100% of scotland voted for independence that would be that, especially with the EU on their side. why would the EU be on their side? "Why wouldn't they, the EU believes in democracy. | |||
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"I hate to say it but even if 100% of the Scottish electorate voted for the SNP, Westminster still wouldn't agree to another Referendum. Which means UDI is the only route. At which point either England goes 'old school' and sends in the security forces and violence erupts for however many years costing billions (because we need more debt right?), or negotiations happen. Scotland may try and pin its hopes on oil, but Westminster won't give it up. And Scotland doesn't have the means to take it by force. Currency wise, the Euro would be the obvious choice to use, especially to court membership if the EU. I believe there are Mints in Scotland already to print it? That would make the ECB the lender of last resort. The recent Withdrawal Agreement terms would be a great help to Scotland as a member. We will have to see what the terms of the trade agreement are (in however many years it takes to agree!). We dont have the balls anymore to send troops into scotland like we did in Ireland so if 100% of scotland voted for independence that would be that, especially with the EU on their side. why would the EU be on their side?
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"I hate to say it but even if 100% of the Scottish electorate voted for the SNP, Westminster still wouldn't agree to another Referendum. Which means UDI is the only route. At which point either England goes 'old school' and sends in the security forces and violence erupts for however many years costing billions (because we need more debt right?), or negotiations happen. Scotland may try and pin its hopes on oil, but Westminster won't give it up. And Scotland doesn't have the means to take it by force. Currency wise, the Euro would be the obvious choice to use, especially to court membership if the EU. I believe there are Mints in Scotland already to print it? That would make the ECB the lender of last resort. The recent Withdrawal Agreement terms would be a great help to Scotland as a member. We will have to see what the terms of the trade agreement are (in however many years it takes to agree!). We dont have the balls anymore to send troops into scotland like we did in Ireland so if 100% of scotland voted for independence that would be that, especially with the EU on their side. why would the EU be on their side?
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"I hate to say it but even if 100% of the Scottish electorate voted for the SNP, Westminster still wouldn't agree to another Referendum. Which means UDI is the only route. At which point either England goes 'old school' and sends in the security forces and violence erupts for however many years costing billions (because we need more debt right?), or negotiations happen. Scotland may try and pin its hopes on oil, but Westminster won't give it up. And Scotland doesn't have the means to take it by force. Currency wise, the Euro would be the obvious choice to use, especially to court membership if the EU. I believe there are Mints in Scotland already to print it? That would make the ECB the lender of last resort. The recent Withdrawal Agreement terms would be a great help to Scotland as a member. We will have to see what the terms of the trade agreement are (in however many years it takes to agree!). We dont have the balls anymore to send troops into scotland like we did in Ireland so if 100% of scotland voted for independence that would be that, especially with the EU on their side. why would the EU be on their side? "Just a thought, let’s say there was a vote in Scotland & the independence side won 52% to 48%. Would the SNP be happy for 4 years of arguments & delay by the remoaners? Surly they couldn’t complain about it as it’s was the stand they took at Westminster. Not forgetting the UK at £51 billion is Scotland’s biggest export market compared to just over £16 billion to the EU, how do you think that the SNP will spin that argument. The UK or the remaining parts take 3 times the amount of your goods than 27 other countries combined | |||
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"I hate to say it but even if 100% of the Scottish electorate voted for the SNP, Westminster still wouldn't agree to another Referendum. Which means UDI is the only route. At which point either England goes 'old school' and sends in the security forces and violence erupts for however many years costing billions (because we need more debt right?), or negotiations happen. Scotland may try and pin its hopes on oil, but Westminster won't give it up. And Scotland doesn't have the means to take it by force. Currency wise, the Euro would be the obvious choice to use, especially to court membership if the EU. I believe there are Mints in Scotland already to print it? That would make the ECB the lender of last resort. The recent Withdrawal Agreement terms would be a great help to Scotland as a member. We will have to see what the terms of the trade agreement are (in however many years it takes to agree!). We dont have the balls anymore to send troops into scotland like we did in Ireland so if 100% of scotland voted for independence that would be that, especially with the EU on their side. why would the EU be on their side?
Just a thought, let’s say there was a vote in Scotland & the independence side won 52% to 48%. Would the SNP be happy for 4 years of arguments & delay by the remoaners? Surly they couldn’t complain about it as it’s was the stand they took at Westminster.
Not forgetting the UK at £51 billion is Scotland’s biggest export market compared to just over £16 billion to the EU, how do you think that the SNP will spin that argument. The UK or the remaining parts take 3 times the amount of your goods than 27 other countries combined
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"I hate to say it but even if 100% of the Scottish electorate voted for the SNP, Westminster still wouldn't agree to another Referendum. Which means UDI is the only route. At which point either England goes 'old school' and sends in the security forces and violence erupts for however many years costing billions (because we need more debt right?), or negotiations happen. Scotland may try and pin its hopes on oil, but Westminster won't give it up. And Scotland doesn't have the means to take it by force. Currency wise, the Euro would be the obvious choice to use, especially to court membership if the EU. I believe there are Mints in Scotland already to print it? That would make the ECB the lender of last resort. The recent Withdrawal Agreement terms would be a great help to Scotland as a member. We will have to see what the terms of the trade agreement are (in however many years it takes to agree!). We dont have the balls anymore to send troops into scotland like we did in Ireland so if 100% of scotland voted for independence that would be that, especially with the EU on their side. why would the EU be on their side?
Just a thought, let’s say there was a vote in Scotland & the independence side won 52% to 48%. Would the SNP be happy for 4 years of arguments & delay by the remoaners? Surly they couldn’t complain about it as it’s was the stand they took at Westminster.
Not forgetting the UK at £51 billion is Scotland’s biggest export market compared to just over £16 billion to the EU, how do you think that the SNP will spin that argument. The UK or the remaining parts take 3 times the amount of your goods than 27 other countries combined
"I think a lot of Scottish people look at neighbouring countries of a similar size Norway, Finland, Belgium, Holland and see their doing pretty well with a high standard of living, 100 years ago ireland was in the uk and was poor and backwards today out of the shrinking uk they have a higher income than we do , best of look to Scotland if they want to leave us. | |||
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"I hate to say it but even if 100% of the Scottish electorate voted for the SNP, Westminster still wouldn't agree to another Referendum. Which means UDI is the only route. At which point either England goes 'old school' and sends in the security forces and violence erupts for however many years costing billions (because we need more debt right?), or negotiations happen. Scotland may try and pin its hopes on oil, but Westminster won't give it up. And Scotland doesn't have the means to take it by force. Currency wise, the Euro would be the obvious choice to use, especially to court membership if the EU. I believe there are Mints in Scotland already to print it? That would make the ECB the lender of last resort. The recent Withdrawal Agreement terms would be a great help to Scotland as a member. We will have to see what the terms of the trade agreement are (in however many years it takes to agree!). We dont have the balls anymore to send troops into scotland like we did in Ireland so if 100% of scotland voted for independence that would be that, especially with the EU on their side. why would the EU be on their side?
Why wouldn't they, the EU believes in democracy.
"Do they believe in democracy? Ask a Catalonian in France or Spain, Didn’t Spain arrest some separatist politicians the other year after a vote in the Catalonian region for independence 2017 the Spanish government declared it illegal, & sure the eu backed Spain on the none democratic process, & I could be wrong but the EU where very helpful getting the politicians deported back to Spain for trial. X | |||
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"I hate to say it but even if 100% of the Scottish electorate voted for the SNP, Westminster still wouldn't agree to another Referendum. Which means UDI is the only route. At which point either England goes 'old school' and sends in the security forces and violence erupts for however many years costing billions (because we need more debt right?), or negotiations happen. Scotland may try and pin its hopes on oil, but Westminster won't give it up. And Scotland doesn't have the means to take it by force. Currency wise, the Euro would be the obvious choice to use, especially to court membership if the EU. I believe there are Mints in Scotland already to print it? That would make the ECB the lender of last resort. The recent Withdrawal Agreement terms would be a great help to Scotland as a member. We will have to see what the terms of the trade agreement are (in however many years it takes to agree!). We dont have the balls anymore to send troops into scotland like we did in Ireland so if 100% of scotland voted for independence that would be that, especially with the EU on their side. why would the EU be on their side?
Why wouldn't they, the EU believes in democracy. "Is taking a country by force your version of democracy then? Even the EU would see through that. | |||
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"I'm not sure why the little englanders are getting so upset now, a consequence of brexit is the break up of the uk get over it." I’m not up set by anything & you do realise that the term little englanders is a racist term you bigot, if you can’t or don’t want to answer the question fair do. But to use racist derogatory statements just lowers you to their level you fricking NED x | |||
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"I hate to say it but even if 100% of the Scottish electorate voted for the SNP, Westminster still wouldn't agree to another Referendum. Which means UDI is the only route. At which point either England goes 'old school' and sends in the security forces and violence erupts for however many years costing billions (because we need more debt right?), or negotiations happen. Scotland may try and pin its hopes on oil, but Westminster won't give it up. And Scotland doesn't have the means to take it by force. Currency wise, the Euro would be the obvious choice to use, especially to court membership if the EU. I believe there are Mints in Scotland already to print it? That would make the ECB the lender of last resort. The recent Withdrawal Agreement terms would be a great help to Scotland as a member. We will have to see what the terms of the trade agreement are (in however many years it takes to agree!). We dont have the balls anymore to send troops into scotland like we did in Ireland so if 100% of scotland voted for independence that would be that, especially with the EU on their side. why would the EU be on their side?
Why wouldn't they, the EU believes in democracy.
Do they believe in democracy? Ask a Catalonian in France or Spain, Didn’t Spain arrest some separatist politicians the other year after a vote in the Catalonian region for independence 2017 the Spanish government declared it illegal, & sure the eu backed Spain on the none democratic process, & I could be wrong but the EU where very helpful getting the politicians deported back to Spain for trial. X"That wasn't a democracy issue, that was a legal issue. The EU has to back the rule of law. The Catalonians knew they were conducting an illegal referendum and went ahead any way. Referendums of any kind aren't legal in any of the Spanish regions. | |||
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"I hate to say it but even if 100% of the Scottish electorate voted for the SNP, Westminster still wouldn't agree to another Referendum. Which means UDI is the only route. At which point either England goes 'old school' and sends in the security forces and violence erupts for however many years costing billions (because we need more debt right?), or negotiations happen. Scotland may try and pin its hopes on oil, but Westminster won't give it up. And Scotland doesn't have the means to take it by force. Currency wise, the Euro would be the obvious choice to use, especially to court membership if the EU. I believe there are Mints in Scotland already to print it? That would make the ECB the lender of last resort. The recent Withdrawal Agreement terms would be a great help to Scotland as a member. We will have to see what the terms of the trade agreement are (in however many years it takes to agree!). We dont have the balls anymore to send troops into scotland like we did in Ireland so if 100% of scotland voted for independence that would be that, especially with the EU on their side. why would the EU be on their side?
Why wouldn't they, the EU believes in democracy.
Do they believe in democracy? Ask a Catalonian in France or Spain, Didn’t Spain arrest some separatist politicians the other year after a vote in the Catalonian region for independence 2017 the Spanish government declared it illegal, & sure the eu backed Spain on the none democratic process, & I could be wrong but the EU where very helpful getting the politicians deported back to Spain for trial. X
That wasn't a democracy issue, that was a legal issue. The EU has to back the rule of law. The Catalonians knew they were conducting an illegal referendum and went ahead any way. Referendums of any kind aren't legal in any of the Spanish regions."So any vote in Scotland needs to stand up in law, but if the English can block it in Westminster that would be unfair if it is the true will of the Scottish people. I’ve never looked into the legality of it tbh. But good to learn something x | |||
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"I hate to say it but even if 100% of the Scottish electorate voted for the SNP, Westminster still wouldn't agree to another Referendum. Which means UDI is the only route. At which point either England goes 'old school' and sends in the security forces and violence erupts for however many years costing billions (because we need more debt right?), or negotiations happen. Scotland may try and pin its hopes on oil, but Westminster won't give it up. And Scotland doesn't have the means to take it by force. Currency wise, the Euro would be the obvious choice to use, especially to court membership if the EU. I believe there are Mints in Scotland already to print it? That would make the ECB the lender of last resort. The recent Withdrawal Agreement terms would be a great help to Scotland as a member. We will have to see what the terms of the trade agreement are (in however many years it takes to agree!). We dont have the balls anymore to send troops into scotland like we did in Ireland so if 100% of scotland voted for independence that would be that, especially with the EU on their side. why would the EU be on their side?
Why wouldn't they, the EU believes in democracy.
Do they believe in democracy? Ask a Catalonian in France or Spain, Didn’t Spain arrest some separatist politicians the other year after a vote in the Catalonian region for independence 2017 the Spanish government declared it illegal, & sure the eu backed Spain on the none democratic process, & I could be wrong but the EU where very helpful getting the politicians deported back to Spain for trial. X
That wasn't a democracy issue, that was a legal issue. The EU has to back the rule of law. The Catalonians knew they were conducting an illegal referendum and went ahead any way. Referendums of any kind aren't legal in any of the Spanish regions."So any illegal vote by Scotland means going against the EU the very organization they want to join | |||
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Yes racist bigotry x""The Cambridge online dictionary defines Little Englander as "an English person who thinks England is better than all other countries, and that England should only work together with other countries when there is an advantage for England in doing so" Pretty much describes a few people on here. Also racism? Is being English part of a race what physical or ancestral roots do English people share? | |||
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"I hate to say it but even if 100% of the Scottish electorate voted for the SNP, Westminster still wouldn't agree to another Referendum. Which means UDI is the only route. At which point either England goes 'old school' and sends in the security forces and violence erupts for however many years costing billions (because we need more debt right?), or negotiations happen. Scotland may try and pin its hopes on oil, but Westminster won't give it up. And Scotland doesn't have the means to take it by force. Currency wise, the Euro would be the obvious choice to use, especially to court membership if the EU. I believe there are Mints in Scotland already to print it? That would make the ECB the lender of last resort. The recent Withdrawal Agreement terms would be a great help to Scotland as a member. We will have to see what the terms of the trade agreement are (in however many years it takes to agree!). We dont have the balls anymore to send troops into scotland like we did in Ireland so if 100% of scotland voted for independence that would be that, especially with the EU on their side. why would the EU be on their side?
Why wouldn't they, the EU believes in democracy.
Do they believe in democracy? Ask a Catalonian in France or Spain, Didn’t Spain arrest some separatist politicians the other year after a vote in the Catalonian region for independence 2017 the Spanish government declared it illegal, & sure the eu backed Spain on the none democratic process, & I could be wrong but the EU where very helpful getting the politicians deported back to Spain for trial. X
That wasn't a democracy issue, that was a legal issue. The EU has to back the rule of law. The Catalonians knew they were conducting an illegal referendum and went ahead any way. Referendums of any kind aren't legal in any of the Spanish regions.
So any illegal vote by Scotland means going against the EU the very organization they want to join"would it be illegal for all the Scottish independence parties to hold say a mock vote? Surly if the outcome of that showed a strong enough will for independence Westminster would have to listen & let the Scottish people have another vote x | |||
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"The big difference with Catalonia is Scotland as an independent country signed an act of union with england and they now want out,why should narrow minded english people deny them ? I welcome Scottish independence. " I have always said if Scotland votes out in a legal referendum (like the 2014 vote) then that's great. What I am saying is it needs to be done properly and legally otherwise it will not be recognized. This is the situation | |||
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Yes racist bigotry x
"The Cambridge online dictionary defines Little Englander as "an English person who thinks England is better than all other countries, and that England should only work together with other countries when there is an advantage for England in doing so"
Pretty much describes a few people on here.
Also racism? Is being English part of a race what physical or ancestral roots do English people share?
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"The big difference with Catalonia is Scotland as an independent country signed an act of union with england and they now want out,why should narrow minded english people deny them ? I welcome Scottish independence. I have always said if Scotland votes out in a legal referendum (like the 2014 vote) then that's great. What I am saying is it needs to be done properly and legally otherwise it will not be recognized. This is the situation Was the Brexit referendum legally binding then?" Not that old bollocks? Was it a legal referendum? | |||
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"I'm not sure why the little englanders are getting so upset now, a consequence of brexit is the break up of the uk get over it. I’m not up set by anything & you do realise that the term little englanders is a racist term you bigot, if you can’t or don’t want to answer the question fair do. But to use racist derogatory statements just lowers you to their level you fricking NED x And your not upset by anything
Yes racist bigotry x
"The Cambridge online dictionary defines Little Englander as "an English person who thinks England is better than all other countries, and that England should only work together with other countries when there is an advantage for England in doing so"
Pretty much describes a few people on here.
Also racism? Is being English part of a race what physical or ancestral roots do English people share?
So by that definition the Scottish people who want independence are little Scotlanders? "No, just Scottish. Little englanders want to hold on to scotland reminds them of the glory days of empire I guess. | |||
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Yes racist bigotry x
"The Cambridge online dictionary defines Little Englander as "an English person who thinks England is better than all other countries, and that England should only work together with other countries when there is an advantage for England in doing so"
Pretty much describes a few people on here.
Also racism? Is being English part of a race what physical or ancestral roots do English people share?
So by that definition the Scottish people who want independence are little Scotlanders?
No, just Scottish. Little englanders want to hold on to scotland reminds them of the glory days of empire I guess."No, they just don't want a poverty stricken nation on their doorstep | |||
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Yes racist bigotry x
"The Cambridge online dictionary defines Little Englander as "an English person who thinks England is better than all other countries, and that England should only work together with other countries when there is an advantage for England in doing so"
Pretty much describes a few people on here.
Also racism? Is being English part of a race what physical or ancestral roots do English people share?
So by that definition the Scottish people who want independence are little Scotlanders?
No, just Scottish. Little englanders want to hold on to scotland reminds them of the glory days of empire I guess.
No, they just don't want a poverty stricken nation on their doorstep "You just backed the definition up there, Thatcher didn't seem to mind taking Scottish Oil. | |||
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"The big difference with Catalonia is Scotland as an independent country signed an act of union with england and they now want out,why should narrow minded english people deny them ? I welcome Scottish independence. I have always said if Scotland votes out in a legal referendum (like the 2014 vote) then that's great. What I am saying is it needs to be done properly and legally otherwise it will not be recognized. This is the situation It will be done properly what's not proper is saying westminister will not allow it." To do it properly is to go through the system and rules. That means getting permission (sorry not sure another way of saying it) from Westminster to hold a vote. Anything else makes it illegal. Sorry but that's how it is | |||
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"I'm not sure why the little englanders are getting so upset now, a consequence of brexit is the break up of the uk get over it. I’m not up set by anything & you do realise that the term little englanders is a racist term you bigot, if you can’t or don’t want to answer the question fair do. But to use racist derogatory statements just lowers you to their level you fricking NED x And your not upset by anything
Yes racist bigotry x
"The Cambridge online dictionary defines Little Englander as "an English person who thinks England is better than all other countries, and that England should only work together with other countries when there is an advantage for England in doing so"
Pretty much describes a few people on here.
Also racism? Is being English part of a race what physical or ancestral roots do English people share?
So by that definition the Scottish people who want independence are little Scotlanders?
No, just Scottish. Little englanders want to hold on to scotland reminds them of the glory days of empire I guess.
No, they just don't want a poverty stricken nation on their doorstep "Lol. Like Holland, Belgium, Norway, Ireland, Finland you mean ? | |||
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"The big difference with Catalonia is Scotland as an independent country signed an act of union with england and they now want out,why should narrow minded english people deny them ? I welcome Scottish independence. I have always said if Scotland votes out in a legal referendum (like the 2014 vote) then that's great. What I am saying is it needs to be done properly and legally otherwise it will not be recognized. This is the situation Was the Brexit referendum legally binding then?" The brexit referendum was held legally and had to pass a vote in parliament. The nature of the referendum was advisory. It was the politicians from both parties that vowed act on it | |||
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"I hate to say it but even if 100% of the Scottish electorate voted for the SNP, Westminster still wouldn't agree to another Referendum. Which means UDI is the only route. At which point either England goes 'old school' and sends in the security forces and violence erupts for however many years costing billions (because we need more debt right?), or negotiations happen. Scotland may try and pin its hopes on oil, but Westminster won't give it up. And Scotland doesn't have the means to take it by force. Currency wise, the Euro would be the obvious choice to use, especially to court membership if the EU. I believe there are Mints in Scotland already to print it? That would make the ECB the lender of last resort. The recent Withdrawal Agreement terms would be a great help to Scotland as a member. We will have to see what the terms of the trade agreement are (in however many years it takes to agree!). We dont have the balls anymore to send troops into scotland like we did in Ireland so if 100% of scotland voted for independence that would be that, especially with the EU on their side. why would the EU be on their side?
Why wouldn't they, the EU believes in democracy.
Do they believe in democracy? Ask a Catalonian in France or Spain, Didn’t Spain arrest some separatist politicians the other year after a vote in the Catalonian region for independence 2017 the Spanish government declared it illegal, & sure the eu backed Spain on the none democratic process, & I could be wrong but the EU where very helpful getting the politicians deported back to Spain for trial. X
That wasn't a democracy issue, that was a legal issue. The EU has to back the rule of law. The Catalonians knew they were conducting an illegal referendum and went ahead any way. Referendums of any kind aren't legal in any of the Spanish regions.
So any illegal vote by Scotland means going against the EU the very organization they want to join would it be illegal for all the Scottish independence parties to hold say a mock vote? Surly if the outcome of that showed a strong enough will for independence Westminster would have to listen & let the Scottish people have another vote x
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"I hate to say it but even if 100% of the Scottish electorate voted for the SNP, Westminster still wouldn't agree to another Referendum. Which means UDI is the only route. At which point either England goes 'old school' and sends in the security forces and violence erupts for however many years costing billions (because we need more debt right?), or negotiations happen. Scotland may try and pin its hopes on oil, but Westminster won't give it up. And Scotland doesn't have the means to take it by force. Currency wise, the Euro would be the obvious choice to use, especially to court membership if the EU. I believe there are Mints in Scotland already to print it? That would make the ECB the lender of last resort. The recent Withdrawal Agreement terms would be a great help to Scotland as a member. We will have to see what the terms of the trade agreement are (in however many years it takes to agree!)." To adopt the Euro as a currency would require Scotland to meet all the EU fiscal tests, and without a currency of their own, this would not be happening any time soon, if at all. The currency barrier is far greater than people will admit to, including the SNP, who so far have been unable to provide a credible roadmap for an independent currency. Every time the SNP are interviewed on this subject, they highlight a huge void in their understanding of how to deal with a fundamental issue to becoming independent. The Scots would sooner see security in their pockets, and that is why a second referendum would fail, in exactly the same way as the first one. | |||
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Yes racist bigotry x
"The Cambridge online dictionary defines Little Englander as "an English person who thinks England is better than all other countries, and that England should only work together with other countries when there is an advantage for England in doing so"
Pretty much describes a few people on here.
Also racism? Is being English part of a race what physical or ancestral roots do English people share?
So by that definition the Scottish people who want independence are little Scotlanders?
No, just Scottish. Little englanders want to hold on to scotland reminds them of the glory days of empire I guess.
No, they just don't want a poverty stricken nation on their doorstep
You just backed the definition up there, Thatcher didn't seem to mind taking Scottish Oil. "You mean UK oil? So what do you expect Westminster to say to all the people (the majority) who voted to remain in the UK just a few years ago? Sorry you got it wrong, you have to vote again? | |||
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"The big difference with Catalonia is Scotland as an independent country signed an act of union with england and they now want out,why should narrow minded english people deny them ? I welcome Scottish independence. I have always said if Scotland votes out in a legal referendum (like the 2014 vote) then that's great. What I am saying is it needs to be done properly and legally otherwise it will not be recognized. This is the situation It will be done properly what's not proper is saying westminister will not allow it. To do it properly is to go through the system and rules. That means getting permission (sorry not sure another way of saying it) from Westminster to hold a vote. Anything else makes it illegal. Sorry but that's how it is" So what do you expect to happen after May's election when pro independence are expected to get 60% plus may I ask. | |||
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"The big difference with Catalonia is Scotland as an independent country signed an act of union with england and they now want out,why should narrow minded english people deny them ? I welcome Scottish independence. I have always said if Scotland votes out in a legal referendum (like the 2014 vote) then that's great. What I am saying is it needs to be done properly and legally otherwise it will not be recognized. This is the situation It will be done properly what's not proper is saying westminister will not allow it. To do it properly is to go through the system and rules. That means getting permission (sorry not sure another way of saying it) from Westminster to hold a vote. Anything else makes it illegal. Sorry but that's how it is So what do you expect to happen after May's election when pro independence are expected to get 60% plus may I ask." I expect the SNP to once again apply for section 30. As this is the only legal way forward. As mentioned it is then up to Westminster to decide what to do | |||
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"I'm not sure why the little englanders are getting so upset now, a consequence of brexit is the break up of the uk get over it. I’m not up set by anything & you do realise that the term little englanders is a racist term you bigot, if you can’t or don’t want to answer the question fair do. But to use racist derogatory statements just lowers you to their level you fricking NED x And your not upset by anything
Yes racist bigotry x
"The Cambridge online dictionary defines Little Englander as "an English person who thinks England is better than all other countries, and that England should only work together with other countries when there is an advantage for England in doing so"
Pretty much describes a few people on here.
Also racism? Is being English part of a race what physical or ancestral roots do English people share?
So by that definition the Scottish people who want independence are little Scotlanders?
No, just Scottish. Little englanders want to hold on to scotland reminds them of the glory days of empire I guess.
No, they just don't want a poverty stricken nation on their doorstep
You just backed the definition up there, Thatcher didn't seem to mind taking Scottish Oil.
You mean UK oil?
So what do you expect Westminster to say to all the people (the majority) who voted to remain in the UK just a few years ago? Sorry you got it wrong, you have to vote again? "More like, 'you got it wrong. We're going to scrap the whole stupid idea and rejoin the world as a proper modern forward thinking nation' | |||
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"The big difference with Catalonia is Scotland as an independent country signed an act of union with england and they now want out,why should narrow minded english people deny them ? I welcome Scottish independence. I have always said if Scotland votes out in a legal referendum (like the 2014 vote) then that's great. What I am saying is it needs to be done properly and legally otherwise it will not be recognized. This is the situation It will be done properly what's not proper is saying westminister will not allow it. To do it properly is to go through the system and rules. That means getting permission (sorry not sure another way of saying it) from Westminster to hold a vote. Anything else makes it illegal. Sorry but that's how it is So what do you expect to happen after May's election when pro independence are expected to get 60% plus may I ask. I expect the SNP to once again apply for section 30. As this is the only legal way forward. As mentioned it is then up to Westminster to decide what to do At that stage there would be no legitimate reason for westminister to refuse I'm sure you agree. As I mentioned before if they vote out in a legal vote then good on them. It's not my decision though its for Westminster. A while back I thought I read that Labour would agree to it if they were in power though not sure it is still the case" Best of luck to an independent Scotland. | |||
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"The big difference with Catalonia is Scotland as an independent country signed an act of union with england and they now want out,why should narrow minded english people deny them ? I welcome Scottish independence. I have always said if Scotland votes out in a legal referendum (like the 2014 vote) then that's great. What I am saying is it needs to be done properly and legally otherwise it will not be recognized. This is the situation It will be done properly what's not proper is saying westminister will not allow it. To do it properly is to go through the system and rules. That means getting permission (sorry not sure another way of saying it) from Westminster to hold a vote. Anything else makes it illegal. Sorry but that's how it is So what do you expect to happen after May's election when pro independence are expected to get 60% plus may I ask. I expect the SNP to once again apply for section 30. As this is the only legal way forward. As mentioned it is then up to Westminster to decide what to do At that stage there would be no legitimate reason for westminister to refuse I'm sure you agree. As I mentioned before if they vote out in a legal vote then good on them. It's not my decision though its for Westminster. A while back I thought I read that Labour would agree to it if they were in power though not sure it is still the case Best of luck to an independent Scotland." Best of luck indeed | |||
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The SNP will quite rightly stand up in front of the press, the Westminster government and the Scottish people and say xxx number of people voted for us and our policy of independence.
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The SNP will quite rightly stand up in front of the press, the Westminster government and the Scottish people and say xxx number of people voted for us and our policy of independence.
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The SNP will quite rightly stand up in front of the press, the Westminster government and the Scottish people and say xxx number of people voted for us and our policy of independence.
Just as all the kippers voters voted for Brexshit by voting UKIP
So you are saying that the SNP are a one trick pony then? "They aren't, but it is the part of their manifesto they will push with a big mandate. | |||
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The SNP will quite rightly stand up in front of the press, the Westminster government and the Scottish people and say xxx number of people voted for us and our policy of independence.
Just as all the kippers voters voted for Brexshit by voting UKIP
Can we leave the name-calling to the Brexiteers please mate. "Sorry. I do try not to get dragged down to their gutter but sometimes it leaks out. | |||
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"The big difference with Catalonia is Scotland as an independent country signed an act of union with england and they now want out,why should narrow minded english people deny them ? I welcome Scottish independence. I have always said if Scotland votes out in a legal referendum (like the 2014 vote) then that's great. What I am saying is it needs to be done properly and legally otherwise it will not be recognized. This is the situation It will be done properly what's not proper is saying westminister will not allow it. To do it properly is to go through the system and rules. That means getting permission (sorry not sure another way of saying it) from Westminster to hold a vote. Anything else makes it illegal. Sorry but that's how it is So what do you expect to happen after May's election when pro independence are expected to get 60% plus may I ask. Voting for the SNP doesn't necessarily mean a vote for independence Yes it does no it doesn't
The SNP will quite rightly stand up in front of the press, the Westminster government and the Scottish people and say xxx number of people voted for us and our policy of independence.
Just as all the kippers voters voted for Brexshit by voting UKIP
So you are saying that the SNP are a one trick pony then?
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"The big difference with Catalonia is Scotland as an independent country signed an act of union with england and they now want out,why should narrow minded english people deny them ? I welcome Scottish independence. I have always said if Scotland votes out in a legal referendum (like the 2014 vote) then that's great. What I am saying is it needs to be done properly and legally otherwise it will not be recognized. This is the situation It will be done properly what's not proper is saying westminister will not allow it. To do it properly is to go through the system and rules. That means getting permission (sorry not sure another way of saying it) from Westminster to hold a vote. Anything else makes it illegal. Sorry but that's how it is So what do you expect to happen after May's election when pro independence are expected to get 60% plus may I ask. Voting for the SNP doesn't necessarily mean a vote for independence Yes it does no it doesn't
The SNP will quite rightly stand up in front of the press, the Westminster government and the Scottish people and say xxx number of people voted for us and our policy of independence.
Just as all the kippers voters voted for Brexshit by voting UKIP
So you are saying that the SNP are a one trick pony then?
They aren't, but it is the part of their manifesto they will push with a big mandate.
Their mandate won't be as big as last time when they were lent unionist anti Brexit votes from the other parties supporters"After seeing the unionists in belfast being shafted with a border down the irish sea I feel Scottish unionists are rapidly changing side and many would now vote for independence. | |||
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The SNP will quite rightly stand up in front of the press, the Westminster government and the Scottish people and say xxx number of people voted for us and our policy of independence.
Just as all the kippers voters voted for Brexshit by voting UKIP
So you are saying that the SNP are a one trick pony then?
They aren't, but it is the part of their manifesto they will push with a big mandate.
Their mandate won't be as big as last time when they were lent unionist anti Brexit votes from the other parties supporters
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"I'm not sure why the little englanders are getting so upset now, a consequence of brexit is the break up of the uk get over it. I’m not up set by anything & you do realise that the term little englanders is a racist term you bigot, if you can’t or don’t want to answer the question fair do. But to use racist derogatory statements just lowers you to their level you fricking NED x And your not upset by anything
Yes racist bigotry x
"The Cambridge online dictionary defines Little Englander as "an English person who thinks England is better than all other countries, and that England should only work together with other countries when there is an advantage for England in doing so"
Pretty much describes a few people on here.
Also racism? Is being English part of a race what physical or ancestral roots do English people share?
"I find the term offensive & often used to imply people are racist, & helps build a stereotype of the English are racist. I am a English man of British & European descended ancestry by definition. I do not think myself any better a person than anyone else. If you want to judge a person get to know them, don’t try to accuse people of being racist with a slur, it’s a weak argument & I normally find they are the racist. I do prefer a proper debate rather than arguing, I don’t mind listening to the other side. I can even change my mind after learning something new, how many others can say that on here. | |||
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"I'm not sure why the little englanders are getting so upset now, a consequence of brexit is the break up of the uk get over it. I’m not up set by anything & you do realise that the term little englanders is a racist term you bigot, if you can’t or don’t want to answer the question fair do. But to use racist derogatory statements just lowers you to their level you fricking NED x And your not upset by anything
Yes racist bigotry x
"The Cambridge online dictionary defines Little Englander as "an English person who thinks England is better than all other countries, and that England should only work together with other countries when there is an advantage for England in doing so"
Pretty much describes a few people on here.
Also racism? Is being English part of a race what physical or ancestral roots do English people share?
I find the term offensive & often used to imply people are racist, & helps build a stereotype of the English are racist.
I am a English man of British & European descended ancestry by definition. I do not think myself any better a person than anyone else. If you want to judge a person get to know them, don’t try to accuse people of being racist with a slur, it’s a weak argument & I normally find they are the racist. I do prefer a proper debate rather than arguing, I don’t mind listening to the other side. I can even change my mind after learning something new, how many others can say that on here. " | |||
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The SNP will quite rightly stand up in front of the press, the Westminster government and the Scottish people and say xxx number of people voted for us and our policy of independence.
Just as all the kippers voters voted for Brexshit by voting UKIP
So you are saying that the SNP are a one trick pony then?
They aren't, but it is the part of their manifesto they will push with a big mandate.
Their mandate won't be as big as last time when they were lent unionist anti Brexit votes from the other parties supporters"Polling doesn't agree with you. I don't agree with you. The Scots on this thread don't agree with you. | |||
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"I never understand why Scottish folk think the English care one way or another. If you want to leave it really is ok with us. If it means we don't have to hear about it ever again then I'm all for it" This is largely true. The majority of the English people wouldn't mind us being independent. Indeed, they were quite happy for it to happen, if it were a way to guarantee Brexit happening, not so long ago. The real reason - and I've repeated this often, because it's true - that any UK Government (Tory or Labour) does not want an independent Scotland, is because of the loss it would be. Not the loss of the Scots people - they don't give a fuck about us; most of us don't vote for either of them - and with good reason. No. The loss they fear is a third of the UK's landmass, all the territorial water surrounding it - and a place to park Trident. That would be catastrophic, particularly for the Tories. Yes, an independent Scotland would be poorer. It would have all sorts of problems - but it would be a democracy with a properly representative government (which the UK is not, by the way - 43.6% of the vote = 80 seat majority?). How we tackled our problems would be down to us. The arguments made by the opponents of independence are always economic. That's because there are no political arguments to be made in favour of Scotland remaining in the UK. If Brexit proved anything, it's that people don't always vote with their wallets. Nor should they. P.S. If Labour voters ever want the SNP out of power in Holyrood again, then independence is the only way that's ever going to happen - especially if the Tories are in power in Westminster. Someone has to oppose them, after all. | |||
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"Here’s another question if such a vote took place, who should qualify to vote, for example what age, should it be Scottish born people or say resident for a set amount of time. & what about Scottish people living elsewhere? According to the Scottish government all British citizens born in Scotland and all British citizens habitually resident in Scotland would automatically be considered Scottish in the event of independence. Accordingly it would be correct to make these same people eligible to vote in a referendum." Nice try. You'll only get to vote in any IndyRef2 if you live here at the time. As it should be. If you don't even want to live here, why should you get a vote? LOL | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. Yes, but Westminster has to allow a referendum. And they won't." True. They daren't, for reasons I've already gone into. IF - and it's definitely an if - the SNP win an outright majority, in Holyrood, in May; then they will have been given a mandate to pursue IndyRef2 by the voters of Scotland. They will have the right to. Boris, obviously, will refuse to grant a Section 30 order. However, it's going to mean that he - and all the other Tories - are going to have to shut the fuck up about how awful it is that the CCP won't allow the people of Hong Kong the right to democracy. I'm sure he'll feel it's a small price to pay. | |||
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"Here’s another question if such a vote took place, who should qualify to vote, for example what age, should it be Scottish born people or say resident for a set amount of time. & what about Scottish people living elsewhere? According to the Scottish government all British citizens born in Scotland and all British citizens habitually resident in Scotland would automatically be considered Scottish in the event of independence. Accordingly it would be correct to make these same people eligible to vote in a referendum. Nice try. You'll only get to vote in any IndyRef2 if you live here at the time. As it should be. If you don't even want to live here, why should you get a vote? LOL" Why should a Scots born person, living in the United Kingdom get a vote? Because according to the Scottish Government, they are Scottish. | |||
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"The SNP will win a majority along with the Green party. But in no way is this a mandate, the weakness of the opposition is tragic up here. Any competent opposition could point out how poorly run most of our devolved departments are. Health Education and particularly Transport are nothing short of Shambolic. Rusting non completed Ferries should be a matter of resignation in most places. But not up here it seems." That's just a crusty old unionist line. | |||
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"The SNP will win a majority along with the Green party. But in no way is this a mandate, the weakness of the opposition is tragic up here. Any competent opposition could point out how poorly run most of our devolved departments are. Health Education and particularly Transport are nothing short of Shambolic. Rusting non completed Ferries should be a matter of resignation in most places. But not up here it seems." | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. Yes, but Westminster has to allow a referendum. And they won't. True. They daren't, for reasons I've already gone into. IF - and it's definitely an if - the SNP win an outright majority, in Holyrood, in May; then they will have been given a mandate to pursue IndyRef2 by the voters of Scotland. They will have the right to. Boris, obviously, will refuse to grant a Section 30 order. However, it's going to mean that he - and all the other Tories - are going to have to shut the fuck up about how awful it is that the CCP won't allow the people of Hong Kong the right to democracy. I'm sure he'll feel it's a small price to pay." The writing is on the wall. Scotland has to be given “permission” to have another referendum which demonstrates totally its subservience. Considering the rhetoric that has come from Johnson and his cronies about obtaining “freedom” and “independence” from a union of equals in the EU, a further vote on Scottish independence is now inevitable. Johnson will be in a difficult position if he continues to refuse permission considering recent events as this will only embolden the Scottish Nationalists against what they can easily then describe as British tyranny. Then again, allowing a vote and seeing Scotland go will put Johnsons name in the history books for all the wrong reasons. No country should be prevented from securing its own destiny when it chooses to d so. | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. " News just in.... The Great British Empire ceased to exist around 60 years ago | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. Yes, but Westminster has to allow a referendum. And they won't. True. They daren't, for reasons I've already gone into. IF - and it's definitely an if - the SNP win an outright majority, in Holyrood, in May; then they will have been given a mandate to pursue IndyRef2 by the voters of Scotland. They will have the right to. Boris, obviously, will refuse to grant a Section 30 order. However, it's going to mean that he - and all the other Tories - are going to have to shut the fuck up about how awful it is that the CCP won't allow the people of Hong Kong the right to democracy. I'm sure he'll feel it's a small price to pay. The writing is on the wall. Scotland has to be given “permission” to have another referendum which demonstrates totally its subservience. Considering the rhetoric that has come from Johnson and his cronies about obtaining “freedom” and “independence” from a union of equals in the EU, a further vote on Scottish independence is now inevitable. Johnson will be in a difficult position if he continues to refuse permission considering recent events as this will only embolden the Scottish Nationalists against what they can easily then describe as British tyranny. Then again, allowing a vote and seeing Scotland go will put Johnsons name in the history books for all the wrong reasons. No country should be prevented from securing its own destiny when it chooses to d so." And yet you've been against Brexit and the referendum. How hypocritical. | |||
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"The big difference with Catalonia is Scotland as an independent country signed an act of union with england and they now want out,why should narrow minded english people deny them ? I welcome Scottish independence. I have always said if Scotland votes out in a legal referendum (like the 2014 vote) then that's great. What I am saying is it needs to be done properly and legally otherwise it will not be recognized. This is the situation It will be done properly what's not proper is saying westminister will not allow it. To do it properly is to go through the system and rules. That means getting permission (sorry not sure another way of saying it) from Westminster to hold a vote. Anything else makes it illegal. Sorry but that's how it is So what do you expect to happen after May's election when pro independence are expected to get 60% plus may I ask. Voting for the SNP doesn't necessarily mean a vote for independence " I don’t think you’ve properly grasped politics in Scotland..... | |||
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"The big difference with Catalonia is Scotland as an independent country signed an act of union with england and they now want out,why should narrow minded english people deny them ? I welcome Scottish independence. I have always said if Scotland votes out in a legal referendum (like the 2014 vote) then that's great. What I am saying is it needs to be done properly and legally otherwise it will not be recognized. This is the situation It will be done properly what's not proper is saying westminister will not allow it. To do it properly is to go through the system and rules. That means getting permission (sorry not sure another way of saying it) from Westminster to hold a vote. Anything else makes it illegal. Sorry but that's how it is So what do you expect to happen after May's election when pro independence are expected to get 60% plus may I ask. Voting for the SNP doesn't necessarily mean a vote for independence I don’t think you’ve properly grasped politics in Scotland....." Oh I have, as an outsider what do you know? | |||
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"The big difference with Catalonia is Scotland as an independent country signed an act of union with england and they now want out,why should narrow minded english people deny them ? I welcome Scottish independence. I have always said if Scotland votes out in a legal referendum (like the 2014 vote) then that's great. What I am saying is it needs to be done properly and legally otherwise it will not be recognized. This is the situation It will be done properly what's not proper is saying westminister will not allow it. To do it properly is to go through the system and rules. That means getting permission (sorry not sure another way of saying it) from Westminster to hold a vote. Anything else makes it illegal. Sorry but that's how it is So what do you expect to happen after May's election when pro independence are expected to get 60% plus may I ask. Voting for the SNP doesn't necessarily mean a vote for independence I don’t think you’ve properly grasped politics in Scotland....." True, a bit like saying a vote for farage wasn't a vote for brexit. | |||
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"The SNP will win a majority along with the Green party. But in no way is this a mandate, the weakness of the opposition is tragic up here. Any competent opposition could point out how poorly run most of our devolved departments are. Health Education and particularly Transport are nothing short of Shambolic. Rusting non completed Ferries should be a matter of resignation in most places. But not up here it seems." Do the opposition not mirror the politics of their parties in Westminster? So is they are shambolic, who would that be to blame? Did the company that made such a balls up of the ferries resulting in them rusting, not ho into administration and was nationalised by the Scottish government so work could progress and jobs be saved? Why would there be resignation issues for those responsible for getting work restarted? | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. Yes, but Westminster has to allow a referendum. And they won't. True. They daren't, for reasons I've already gone into. IF - and it's definitely an if - the SNP win an outright majority, in Holyrood, in May; then they will have been given a mandate to pursue IndyRef2 by the voters of Scotland. They will have the right to. Boris, obviously, will refuse to grant a Section 30 order. However, it's going to mean that he - and all the other Tories - are going to have to shut the fuck up about how awful it is that the CCP won't allow the people of Hong Kong the right to democracy. I'm sure he'll feel it's a small price to pay. The writing is on the wall. Scotland has to be given “permission” to have another referendum which demonstrates totally its subservience. Considering the rhetoric that has come from Johnson and his cronies about obtaining “freedom” and “independence” from a union of equals in the EU, a further vote on Scottish independence is now inevitable. Johnson will be in a difficult position if he continues to refuse permission considering recent events as this will only embolden the Scottish Nationalists against what they can easily then describe as British tyranny. Then again, allowing a vote and seeing Scotland go will put Johnsons name in the history books for all the wrong reasons. No country should be prevented from securing its own destiny when it chooses to d so. And yet you've been against Brexit and the referendum. How hypocritical. " What? So there should only be one side to a debate? Do you know how dumb that sounds? I was against the lies and misinformation that was put out by Brexit campaigners. That said, they took a position - and there was another side. How can it then be hypocritical for me to agree with Scots over their desire to have their destiny in their hands? Being against Brexit does not make someone hypocritical for wanting to allow the Scots to make their own destiny. Only someone who doesn’t understand the difference between an economic union of equals and a union of enforced cooperation could think otherwise. | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. But still at the whim of Westminster. No the vote was in Scotland for the Scottish people, surely that is their whim. Yes, but Westminster has to allow a referendum. And they won't. True. They daren't, for reasons I've already gone into. IF - and it's definitely an if - the SNP win an outright majority, in Holyrood, in May; then they will have been given a mandate to pursue IndyRef2 by the voters of Scotland. They will have the right to. Boris, obviously, will refuse to grant a Section 30 order. However, it's going to mean that he - and all the other Tories - are going to have to shut the fuck up about how awful it is that the CCP won't allow the people of Hong Kong the right to democracy. I'm sure he'll feel it's a small price to pay. The writing is on the wall. Scotland has to be given “permission” to have another referendum which demonstrates totally its subservience. Considering the rhetoric that has come from Johnson and his cronies about obtaining “freedom” and “independence” from a union of equals in the EU, a further vote on Scottish independence is now inevitable. Johnson will be in a difficult position if he continues to refuse permission considering recent events as this will only embolden the Scottish Nationalists against what they can easily then describe as British tyranny. Then again, allowing a vote and seeing Scotland go will put Johnsons name in the history books for all the wrong reasons. No country should be prevented from securing its own destiny when it chooses to d so. And yet you've been against Brexit and the referendum. How hypocritical. What? So there should only be one side to a debate? Do you know how dumb that sounds? I was against the lies and misinformation that was put out by Brexit campaigners. That said, they took a position - and there was another side. How can it then be hypocritical for me to agree with Scots over their desire to have their destiny in their hands? Being against Brexit does not make someone hypocritical for wanting to allow the Scots to make their own destiny. Only someone who doesn’t understand the difference between an economic union of equals and a union of enforced cooperation could think otherwise." So you think we were right to have a referendum? | |||
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"The big difference with Catalonia is Scotland as an independent country signed an act of union with england and they now want out,why should narrow minded english people deny them ? I welcome Scottish independence. I have always said if Scotland votes out in a legal referendum (like the 2014 vote) then that's great. What I am saying is it needs to be done properly and legally otherwise it will not be recognized. This is the situation It will be done properly what's not proper is saying westminister will not allow it. To do it properly is to go through the system and rules. That means getting permission (sorry not sure another way of saying it) from Westminster to hold a vote. Anything else makes it illegal. Sorry but that's how it is So what do you expect to happen after May's election when pro independence are expected to get 60% plus may I ask. Voting for the SNP doesn't necessarily mean a vote for independence I don’t think you’ve properly grasped politics in Scotland....." Do you not think that maybe some people liked SNP policies other than independence? Or that some people voted for the SNP to prevent Labour or the Tories from winning a particular seat? Even though in a referendum they would vote to remain in the UK? Do you not grasp politics? | |||
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"Here’s another question if such a vote took place, who should qualify to vote, for example what age, should it be Scottish born people or say resident for a set amount of time. & what about Scottish people living elsewhere? According to the Scottish government all British citizens born in Scotland and all British citizens habitually resident in Scotland would automatically be considered Scottish in the event of independence. Accordingly it would be correct to make these same people eligible to vote in a referendum." Thanks | |||
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"The big difference with Catalonia is Scotland as an independent country signed an act of union with england and they now want out,why should narrow minded english people deny them ? I welcome Scottish independence. I have always said if Scotland votes out in a legal referendum (like the 2014 vote) then that's great. What I am saying is it needs to be done properly and legally otherwise it will not be recognized. This is the situation It will be done properly what's not proper is saying westminister will not allow it. To do it properly is to go through the system and rules. That means getting permission (sorry not sure another way of saying it) from Westminster to hold a vote. Anything else makes it illegal. Sorry but that's how it is So what do you expect to happen after May's election when pro independence are expected to get 60% plus may I ask. Voting for the SNP doesn't necessarily mean a vote for independence I don’t think you’ve properly grasped politics in Scotland..... Do you not think that maybe some people liked SNP policies other than independence? Or that some people voted for the SNP to prevent Labour or the Tories from winning a particular seat? Even though in a referendum they would vote to remain in the UK? Do you not grasp politics? " As I said, you really are not grasping Scottish politics and you’ve just demonstrated why. | |||
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"I never understand why Scottish folk think the English care one way or another. If you want to leave it really is ok with us. If it means we don't have to hear about it ever again then I'm all for it This is largely true. The majority of the English people wouldn't mind us being independent. Indeed, they were quite happy for it to happen, if it were a way to guarantee Brexit happening, not so long ago. The real reason - and I've repeated this often, because it's true - that any UK Government (Tory or Labour) does not want an independent Scotland, is because of the loss it would be. Not the loss of the Scots people - they don't give a fuck about us; most of us don't vote for either of them - and with good reason. No. The loss they fear is a third of the UK's landmass, all the territorial water surrounding it - and a place to park Trident. That would be catastrophic, particularly for the Tories. Yes, an independent Scotland would be poorer. It would have all sorts of problems - but it would be a democracy with a properly representative government (which the UK is not, by the way - 43.6% of the vote = 80 seat majority?). How we tackled our problems would be down to us. The arguments made by the opponents of independence are always economic. That's because there are no political arguments to be made in favour of Scotland remaining in the UK. If Brexit proved anything, it's that people don't always vote with their wallets. Nor should they. P.S. If Labour voters ever want the SNP out of power in Holyrood again, then independence is the only way that's ever going to happen - especially if the Tories are in power in Westminster. Someone has to oppose them, after all."
& thus the very reason we need you to stay, we where unfortunate enough to miss out on the late great John Smith becoming PM by his untimely death, & he is not the only good political mind to come from Scotland. How much poorer the rest of the UK would be without Scottish politicians reminding the bubble dwellers of Westminster that it’s not all about London x | |||
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"The big difference with Catalonia is Scotland as an independent country signed an act of union with england and they now want out,why should narrow minded english people deny them ? I welcome Scottish independence. I have always said if Scotland votes out in a legal referendum (like the 2014 vote) then that's great. What I am saying is it needs to be done properly and legally otherwise it will not be recognized. This is the situation It will be done properly what's not proper is saying westminister will not allow it. To do it properly is to go through the system and rules. That means getting permission (sorry not sure another way of saying it) from Westminster to hold a vote. Anything else makes it illegal. Sorry but that's how it is So what do you expect to happen after May's election when pro independence are expected to get 60% plus may I ask. Voting for the SNP doesn't necessarily mean a vote for independence I don’t think you’ve properly grasped politics in Scotland..... Do you not think that maybe some people liked SNP policies other than independence? Or that some people voted for the SNP to prevent Labour or the Tories from winning a particular seat? Even though in a referendum they would vote to remain in the UK? Do you not grasp politics? As I said, you really are not grasping Scottish politics and you’ve just demonstrated why. " you're funny | |||
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"Ah so you don’t understand what you don’t understand? Lol" Let me make it easier for you. In a close run seat between the Tories and the SNP where Labour have no chance , who does the Labour unionist guy vote for? | |||
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"Never vote for Nationalists or Communists......I would also possibly have voted Green, but harvie is such an odious little man i will defer " I think it's better to face the fact that our precious union is on its last legs now and find a new way forward in harmony. | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. " We all know the argument, and let’s keep it simple, whilst Scotland did not win its independence a few years back, the same argument applies to the argument for Brexit, you cannot replay the same question until you get the answer you want. This type of grievance politics led us to Brexit, don’t you think the same thing is happening in Scotland? Suggest that Scotland decided does it want to be an equal in the UK or subservient to the EU? | |||
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"Never vote for Nationalists or Communists......I would also possibly have voted Green, but harvie is such an odious little man i will defer " A bit difficult to vote for communism as communism is structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state and you need at least a state and money to have an election. There has never been a communist country in its true form.... What most people think of as communism is in reality Authoritarian socialism. Replacing one ruling class with another one. | |||
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"Ah so you don’t understand what you don’t understand? Lol Let me make it easier for you. In a close run seat between the Tories and the SNP where Labour have no chance , who does the Labour unionist guy vote for? " You said a vote for the SNP is not necessarily a vote for independence . That’s what you don’t understand. It is exactly a vote for independence as it’s the only party supporting it. That’s why the membership soared. | |||
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"I think today is the end of the European argument and the start of the Scottish debate. Being it on. Scotlands independence journey commenced today. 01.01.21. News just in.... Scotland voted to stay in the Great British Empire in 2014. " What does the Great British Empire consist of exactly these days? | |||
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