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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham

Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't know what they were playing at to be honest, if they were trying to hurt the UK or make a point I think they forgot about all the other countries in the EU that they were hurting. The French must be about as popular as a dose of covid right now

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I swore I could have dreamt other countries outside europe had closed their borders.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I swore I could have dreamt other countries outside europe had closed their borders."

So why are they opening it up again?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"I swore I could have dreamt other countries outside europe had closed their borders.

So why are they opening it up again? "

Every country?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this. "

That last line is hilarious,

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"I swore I could have dreamt other countries outside europe had closed their borders.

So why are they opening it up again?

Every country?"

Cross channel traffic, vital for EU producers

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By *ust some cock suckerMan
over a year ago

Preston


"

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this. "

I'm really looking forward to this coming to fruition

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are allowed out we aren't allowed in, no?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They are allowed out we aren't allowed in, no? "

Yes but they might want their trucks back , probably two thirds of the drivers in the queue at Dover are EU drivers with empty trucks looking to get home for Xmas

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

I'm really looking forward to this coming to fruition "

Not long now, Boris will be announcing a ‘great deal’ on Xmas day,

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By *ust some cock suckerMan
over a year ago

Preston


"

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

I'm really looking forward to this coming to fruition

Not long now, Boris will be announcing a ‘great deal’ on Xmas day, "

It'd be the best Christmas pressie ever

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

That last line is hilarious, "

It's a religion.

Just repeat the mantras over and over until you believe them.

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By *ust some cock suckerMan
over a year ago

Preston


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

That last line is hilarious,

It's a religion.

Just repeat the mantras over and over until you believe them."

There has been quite a few lol

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this. "
All this maybe a blessing the French allways act tough then give in.

I think Boris does realise this although the most important thing is vaccine supplies so we need a deal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

That last line is hilarious,

It's a religion.

Just repeat the mantras over and over until you believe them.

There has been quite a few lol "

When it comes to the electorate, catchy slogans beat real world consequences.

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this. All this maybe a blessing the French allways act tough then give in.

I think Boris does realise this although the most important thing is vaccine supplies so we need a deal"

France will deal either now or in January after we’ve left - we all know what happens when French farmers get upset.

The French government doesn’t have the stomach for reprisals.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this. All this maybe a blessing the French allways act tough then give in.

I think Boris does realise this although the most important thing is vaccine supplies so we need a deal"
medicines are exempt from a deal or no deal they have already agreed that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this. All this maybe a blessing the French allways act tough then give in.

I think Boris does realise this although the most important thing is vaccine supplies so we need a dealmedicines are exempt from a deal or no deal they have already agreed that. "

We are now back off the queue,at least 27 countries in front of us

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Said this in the virus forum but to push ahead with this, whilst all this other shit is going on,is utterly insane.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this. All this maybe a blessing the French allways act tough then give in.

I think Boris does realise this although the most important thing is vaccine supplies so we need a dealmedicines are exempt from a deal or no deal they have already agreed that.

We are now back off the queue,at least 27 countries in front of us "
Dont let facts get in the way.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this. "

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

"

Sounds good,

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

"

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses. "

That last sentence made me laugh as well

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

That last sentence made me laugh as well "

Good for you, any substance to your argument?

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses. "

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

"

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves. "

I admire your unwavering faith.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves. "

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

"

Ah you’re not aware of vertical farms:

“ also known as vertical farming, controlled environment production (CEP) is indoor farming, growing delicious and high quality food whilst minimising environmental impact.

our first farm, Unit 84, was the UK’s first commercial-scale vertical farm, growing award-winning fresh salads, herbs and farming fish, which we delivered by electric van to restaurants and shops across London. “

There’s quite a few being built on a large scale in Lincolnshire now including for Oranges.

You’ve answered your own question anyway, 30 years ago we produced more than 71% of our own food in the UK, currently we are wasting land for “industrial” crops as you put it purely because of some daft EU subsidy scheme.

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By *astMidsCouple555Couple
over a year ago

Leicester


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this. "

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By *astMidsCouple555Couple
over a year ago

Leicester


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

That last line is hilarious,

It's a religion.

Just repeat the mantras over and over until you believe them."

Yep, a cult which like all cults will not bend to facts or rationality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Ah you’re not aware of vertical farms:

“ also known as vertical farming, controlled environment production (CEP) is indoor farming, growing delicious and high quality food whilst minimising environmental impact.

our first farm, Unit 84, was the UK’s first commercial-scale vertical farm, growing award-winning fresh salads, herbs and farming fish, which we delivered by electric van to restaurants and shops across London. “

There’s quite a few being built on a large scale in Lincolnshire now including for Oranges.

You’ve answered your own question anyway, 30 years ago we produced more than 71% of our own food in the UK, currently we are wasting land for “industrial” crops as you put it purely because of some daft EU subsidy scheme. "

So the brexit benefit here is that we can reduce industry crop related industry, stop receiving EU subsidies, waste a load of cash on vertical farms to grow oranges.

Amazing.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Ah you’re not aware of vertical farms:

“ also known as vertical farming, controlled environment production (CEP) is indoor farming, growing delicious and high quality food whilst minimising environmental impact.

our first farm, Unit 84, was the UK’s first commercial-scale vertical farm, growing award-winning fresh salads, herbs and farming fish, which we delivered by electric van to restaurants and shops across London. “

There’s quite a few being built on a large scale in Lincolnshire now including for Oranges.

You’ve answered your own question anyway, 30 years ago we produced more than 71% of our own food in the UK, currently we are wasting land for “industrial” crops as you put it purely because of some daft EU subsidy scheme. "

Vertical farms wow they are the future then.

Right.now can you tell me how much of Lincolnshire’s land is growing industrial crops and how much as a percentage of that you compare. I ask as I’m aware of large swathes of Miscanthus Grass being signed up to supply power stations for a lot of years. Nothing to do with the EU. So you will realise you’re going to have a lot of vertical farms to replace that acreage.

Can you tell me when you will be more than 10 % of the food increase we need?

Also just for me obviously is your food cheaper than today’s suppliers or are you selling on the green credentials

I am genuinely interested and positive about the technology but feel it’s a drop in a very large ocean.

Time is not in our side .

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham

Ah you’re not aware of vertical farms:

“ also known as vertical farming, controlled environment production (CEP) is indoor farming, growing delicious and high quality food whilst minimising environmental impact.

our first farm, Unit 84, was the UK’s first commercial-scale vertical farm, growing award-winning fresh salads, herbs and farming fish, which we delivered by electric van to restaurants and shops across London. “

There’s quite a few being built on a large scale in Lincolnshire now including for Oranges.

You’ve answered your own question anyway, 30 years ago we produced more than 71% of our own food in the UK, currently we are wasting land for “industrial” crops as you put it purely because of some daft EU subsidy scheme. "

Vertical farms wow they are the future then.

Right.now can you tell me how much of Lincolnshire’s land is growing industrial crops and how much as a percentage of that you compare. I ask as I’m aware of large swathes of Miscanthus Grass being signed up to supply power stations for a lot of years. Nothing to do with the EU. So you will realise you’re going to have a lot of vertical farms to replace that acreage.

Can you tell me when you will be more than 10 % of the food increase we need?

Also just for me obviously is your food cheaper than today’s suppliers or are you selling on the green credentials

I am genuinely interested and positive about the technology but feel it’s a drop in a very large ocean.

Time is not in our side”

Biomass and biofuels are nonsense and driven by daft EU directives and subsidies :

“Conservationists warn the world’s forests may be under threat if EU continues to regard biomass as carbon-neutral while ramping up its renewable energy targets. Angeli Mehta reports

The European Commission last July set out a plan to step up action to protect and restore the world’s forests, with a priority being to address deforestation in corporate supply chains.

But conservationists warn that the EU could be endangering the world’s forests if it continues to allow the burning of wood biomass as a substitute for fossil fuels as its ramps up its renewable energy targets.”

“The EU Renewable Energy Directive includes a statutory target that 10% of transport fuel should be sourced from renewable sources, such as electricity, hydrogen or biofuels. Fuels of 10% renewable sources (E10 fuels) are used across mainland Europe, particularly Germany, France and Finland, although as yet are not widely available across the UK.

In 2017, European industry ePURE estimated that the UK had the third largest renewable ethanol production capacity in Europe, with an installed production capacity of 985 million litres. Defra estimated 132,000 hectares of agricultural land (2% of all arable land) were cultivated with bioenergy crops (53% of this for the UK road transport market). “

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

That last sentence made me laugh as well

Good for you, any substance to your argument? "

Hold on, let me just go online and find something to copy and paste

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

Too much salt is not good for you, folks.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Ah you’re not aware of vertical farms:

“ also known as vertical farming, controlled environment production (CEP) is indoor farming, growing delicious and high quality food whilst minimising environmental impact.

our first farm, Unit 84, was the UK’s first commercial-scale vertical farm, growing award-winning fresh salads, herbs and farming fish, which we delivered by electric van to restaurants and shops across London. “

There’s quite a few being built on a large scale in Lincolnshire now including for Oranges.

You’ve answered your own question anyway, 30 years ago we produced more than 71% of our own food in the UK, currently we are wasting land for “industrial” crops as you put it purely because of some daft EU subsidy scheme. "

Vertical farms wow they are the future then.

Right.now can you tell me how much of Lincolnshire’s land is growing industrial crops and how much as a percentage of that you compare. I ask as I’m aware of large swathes of Miscanthus Grass being signed up to supply power stations for a lot of years. Nothing to do with the EU. So you will realise you’re going to have a lot of vertical farms to replace that acreage.

Can you tell me when you will be more than 10 % of the food increase we need?

Also just for me obviously is your food cheaper than today’s suppliers or are you selling on the green credentials

I am genuinely interested and positive about the technology but feel it’s a drop in a very large ocean.

Time is not in our side”

Biomass and biofuels are nonsense and driven by daft EU directives and subsidies :

“Conservationists warn the world’s forests may be under threat if EU continues to regard biomass as carbon-neutral while ramping up its renewable energy targets. Angeli Mehta reports

The European Commission last July set out a plan to step up action to protect and restore the world’s forests, with a priority being to address deforestation in corporate supply chains.

But conservationists warn that the EU could be endangering the world’s forests if it continues to allow the burning of wood biomass as a substitute for fossil fuels as its ramps up its renewable energy targets.”

“The EU Renewable Energy Directive includes a statutory target that 10% of transport fuel should be sourced from renewable sources, such as electricity, hydrogen or biofuels. Fuels of 10% renewable sources (E10 fuels) are used across mainland Europe, particularly Germany, France and Finland, although as yet are not widely available across the UK.

In 2017, European industry ePURE estimated that the UK had the third largest renewable ethanol production capacity in Europe, with an installed production capacity of 985 million litres. Defra estimated 132,000 hectares of agricultural land (2% of all arable land) were cultivated with bioenergy crops (53% of this for the UK road transport market). “"

I was born and am from Lincolnshire so have a teeny weeny bit of knowledge.

Your figures are out of date

You need to find more up to date copy and paste !

A lot has happened over the last couple of years . The U.K. has opened a few very large nasty biomass using power stations so we are once again behind the curve of hydrogen fuels and natural renewables . Except wind turbines where we lead the world. There not made here sadly .

We are just about to become a net importer of biomass with timber pellets about to start arriving from America over the next two years.

Green credentials we don’t have.

The EU overall thoughts on renewables were pretty good .

Giving subsidy to solar power for each country in turn was a bloody positive in anyone’s book.

But hey what do I know !!

Anyway back to lying Boris !

20% is total freight not 20% food so he’s misleading the population .

Can he lay in bed straight??

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

"
Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad."

Oranges from S Africa? 12 hour flight away?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad.

Oranges from S Africa? 12 hour flight away? "
Yes mate dont you ever look at what you are buying in the supermarket?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad.

Oranges from S Africa? 12 hour flight away? Yes mate dont you ever look at what you are buying in the supermarket?"

No, getting oranges from S Africa isn’t very good for the environment,

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Terrible state of affairs, governments looking to protect their citizens. So wrong

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad.

Oranges from S Africa? 12 hour flight away? Yes mate dont you ever look at what you are buying in the supermarket?

No, getting oranges from S Africa isn’t very good for the environment, "
Thats true cant disagree with you there so you really should pay more attention to where they came from.You are probably buying s african oranges especially in july and august and thinking they are from the eu. You have already told us you make sure your cloths are made in italy maybe you should be as diligent with your food.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad.

Oranges from S Africa? 12 hour flight away? Yes mate dont you ever look at what you are buying in the supermarket?

No, getting oranges from S Africa isn’t very good for the environment, Thats true cant disagree with you there so you really should pay more attention to where they came from.You are probably buying s african oranges especially in july and august and thinking they are from the eu. You have already told us you make sure your cloths are made in italy maybe you should be as diligent with your food."
didn’t know jacamo where based in Italy lol

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad."

Yes production is dropping because the EU has a banned the pesticides they use.

Well done you for highlighting a good thing from the EU .

Sadly the environment will suffer with more oranges from South Africa so not a good thing from Brexit. As you obviously agree.

Don’t worry about the r&peseed as we can import from Ukraine to keep our crushers going. Cheap labour there will be fine as long as we don’t look to closely on their rights.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad.

Oranges from S Africa? 12 hour flight away? Yes mate dont you ever look at what you are buying in the supermarket?

No, getting oranges from S Africa isn’t very good for the environment, Thats true cant disagree with you there so you really should pay more attention to where they came from.You are probably buying s african oranges especially in july and august and thinking they are from the eu. You have already told us you make sure your cloths are made in italy maybe you should be as diligent with your food."

I was in Aldi earlier and bought some lovely banana's. They are excellent and come from Ecuador

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Terrible state of affairs, governments looking to protect their citizens. So wrong "

If they really wanted to protect their citizens maybe they should have pulled their finger out with the approval and roll out of the vaccine rather than punish a few solitary lorry drivers who come into contact with very few other people anyway don't ya think?

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad.

Oranges from S Africa? 12 hour flight away? Yes mate dont you ever look at what you are buying in the supermarket?

No, getting oranges from S Africa isn’t very good for the environment, Thats true cant disagree with you there so you really should pay more attention to where they came from.You are probably buying s african oranges especially in july and august and thinking they are from the eu. You have already told us you make sure your cloths are made in italy maybe you should be as diligent with your food.

I was in Aldi earlier and bought some lovely banana's. They are excellent and come from Ecuador"

Would you prefer to buy them while not hurting the environment so much?

Or doesn’t that matter?

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad.

Oranges from S Africa? 12 hour flight away? Yes mate dont you ever look at what you are buying in the supermarket?

No, getting oranges from S Africa isn’t very good for the environment, Thats true cant disagree with you there so you really should pay more attention to where they came from.You are probably buying s african oranges especially in july and august and thinking they are from the eu. You have already told us you make sure your cloths are made in italy maybe you should be as diligent with your food.

I was in Aldi earlier and bought some lovely banana's. They are excellent and come from Ecuador

Would you prefer to buy them while not hurting the environment so much?

Or doesn’t that matter? "

Bananas? Not grown in mainland Europe so bit of a moot point. Vertical farm banana tests going on right now in Grimsby FYI.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Terrible state of affairs, governments looking to protect their citizens. So wrong

If they really wanted to protect their citizens maybe they should have pulled their finger out with the approval and roll out of the vaccine rather than punish a few solitary lorry drivers who come into contact with very few other people anyway don't ya think? "

My dads late 80s and still no sign of his vaccine so not much better here really !

When our health minister says our Covid is out of control I think being safe and closing the border is a wise move.

Then seeing train loads of potential carriers being allowed to spread out across the country from London didn’t in-still confidence in our containment ability.

Protect your citizens was not Boris’ first thought early in the year when he didn’t turn up for the Cobra meetings.

We aren’t shining in glory as a nation on this epidemic.

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By *hilMan
over a year ago

HOUGHTON LE SPRING


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this. "

Only problem is that Boris is holding the wrong cards, he's playing snap while the EEC are playing poker

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad.

Oranges from S Africa? 12 hour flight away? Yes mate dont you ever look at what you are buying in the supermarket?

No, getting oranges from S Africa isn’t very good for the environment, Thats true cant disagree with you there so you really should pay more attention to where they came from.You are probably buying s african oranges especially in july and august and thinking they are from the eu. You have already told us you make sure your cloths are made in italy maybe you should be as diligent with your food.

I was in Aldi earlier and bought some lovely banana's. They are excellent and come from Ecuador

Would you prefer to buy them while not hurting the environment so much?

Or doesn’t that matter?

Bananas? Not grown in mainland Europe so bit of a moot point. Vertical farm banana tests going on right now in Grimsby FYI."

So

The U.K. is the only country with this technology? Really ??

Go on tell me that’s a fact !

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Terrible state of affairs, governments looking to protect their citizens. So wrong

If they really wanted to protect their citizens maybe they should have pulled their finger out with the approval and roll out of the vaccine rather than punish a few solitary lorry drivers who come into contact with very few other people anyway don't ya think?

My dads late 80s and still no sign of his vaccine so not much better here really !

When our health minister says our Covid is out of control I think being safe and closing the border is a wise move.

Then seeing train loads of potential carriers being allowed to spread out across the country from London didn’t in-still confidence in our containment ability.

Protect your citizens was not Boris’ first thought early in the year when he didn’t turn up for the Cobra meetings.

We aren’t shining in glory as a nation on this epidemic.

"
I hope he gets it soon, the lastest figures are 500,000 have had the 1st jab so they are getting through them.

i wonder when the 1st one will be in the eu.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Terrible state of affairs, governments looking to protect their citizens. So wrong

If they really wanted to protect their citizens maybe they should have pulled their finger out with the approval and roll out of the vaccine rather than punish a few solitary lorry drivers who come into contact with very few other people anyway don't ya think?

My dads late 80s and still no sign of his vaccine so not much better here really !

When our health minister says our Covid is out of control I think being safe and closing the border is a wise move.

Then seeing train loads of potential carriers being allowed to spread out across the country from London didn’t in-still confidence in our containment ability.

Protect your citizens was not Boris’ first thought early in the year when he didn’t turn up for the Cobra meetings.

We aren’t shining in glory as a nation on this epidemic.

I hope he gets it soon, the lastest figures are 500,000 have had the 1st jab so they are getting through them.

i wonder when the 1st one will be in the eu."

Think the number claimed was 350000 but judging by previous claims of Handjob I’m not convinced.

Yes and 20% of our freight comes through dover. Truth shifting.. But 60-80% of our fresh food.

Panic buying is only a matter of time.

But please don’t buy toilet rolls they are stockpiled . Well for a few weeks as we need the imported pulp to make them.

Self sufficient in very little eh!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shortage of cauliflower to come

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Thank fuck for that

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By *ust some cock suckerMan
over a year ago

Preston


"

. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves. "

Now that is straight out of the Brexiteers Book of Bullshit

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Terrible state of affairs, governments looking to protect their citizens. So wrong

If they really wanted to protect their citizens maybe they should have pulled their finger out with the approval and roll out of the vaccine rather than punish a few solitary lorry drivers who come into contact with very few other people anyway don't ya think?

My dads late 80s and still no sign of his vaccine so not much better here really !

When our health minister says our Covid is out of control I think being safe and closing the border is a wise move.

Then seeing train loads of potential carriers being allowed to spread out across the country from London didn’t in-still confidence in our containment ability.

Protect your citizens was not Boris’ first thought early in the year when he didn’t turn up for the Cobra meetings.

We aren’t shining in glory as a nation on this epidemic.

I hope he gets it soon, the lastest figures are 500,000 have had the 1st jab so they are getting through them.

i wonder when the 1st one will be in the eu.

Think the number claimed was 350000 but judging by previous claims of Handjob I’m not convinced.

Yes and 20% of our freight comes through dover. Truth shifting.. But 60-80% of our fresh food.

Panic buying is only a matter of time.

But please don’t buy toilet rolls they are stockpiled . Well for a few weeks as we need the imported pulp to make them.

Self sufficient in very little eh!! "
on channel 5 news this evening they said 500,000 but they could be wrong i guess.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Terrible state of affairs, governments looking to protect their citizens. So wrong

If they really wanted to protect their citizens maybe they should have pulled their finger out with the approval and roll out of the vaccine rather than punish a few solitary lorry drivers who come into contact with very few other people anyway don't ya think?

My dads late 80s and still no sign of his vaccine so not much better here really !

When our health minister says our Covid is out of control I think being safe and closing the border is a wise move.

Then seeing train loads of potential carriers being allowed to spread out across the country from London didn’t in-still confidence in our containment ability.

Protect your citizens was not Boris’ first thought early in the year when he didn’t turn up for the Cobra meetings.

We aren’t shining in glory as a nation on this epidemic.

I hope he gets it soon, the lastest figures are 500,000 have had the 1st jab so they are getting through them.

i wonder when the 1st one will be in the eu.

Think the number claimed was 350000 but judging by previous claims of Handjob I’m not convinced.

Yes and 20% of our freight comes through dover. Truth shifting.. But 60-80% of our fresh food.

Panic buying is only a matter of time.

But please don’t buy toilet rolls they are stockpiled . Well for a few weeks as we need the imported pulp to make them.

Self sufficient in very little eh!! on channel 5 news this evening they said 500,000 but they could be wrong i guess."

I won’t claimI’m right on number so happy to take your number. But..

Government claimed 100000 tests a day before but reality was 100000 available but only 40- 60000 actually done so I don’t have blind faith.

Toilet roll comment still stands though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

Now that is straight out of the Brexiteers Book of Bullshit "

Vertical Farms!

In fairness. This thread has some of my favourite brexit bullshit I've ever heard

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

Well it’s 22:15 & France is still apparently shut if you believe the news.

However it has only been shut for people & accompanied freight.

What many do not realise is that far more freight road container & curtainside trailers moves unaccompanied.

If you don’t know what that means we’ll a haulier will drop a trailer into a port it gets dragged onto a boat by what is referred to as a tug, the same happens on arrival in reverse & another haulier collects it.

This has not been stopped & as I have said this is how the vast majority of freight is shipped.

We appear to be being asked to panic over not a lot atm? The boats will still sale. The train maybe not so often as it’s set up more for speedy accompanied traffic but the freight service will still run soon enough if not already.

Supermarkets won’t be in any great hurry to complain I do t think either. What’s now coming in outside of fresh produce is more likely to be shit shoved on shelves for the post Xmas sales.

Which don’t look like happening anyway!

S

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Did I forget that so many brexiteers were telling me that it was as much about controlling our borders....

Well...l the french are now showing you exactly what “controlling a border” looks like!

I mean... if you are telling people in the south east not to leave, but a shed load didn’t listen, if I was the french I’d be thinking what the fuck and why would we let in anyone going thru Kent....

Sort out pcr testing on the English side, then we let them thru.....

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Well it’s 22:15 & France is still apparently shut if you believe the news.

However it has only been shut for people & accompanied freight.

What many do not realise is that far more freight road container & curtainside trailers moves unaccompanied.

If you don’t know what that means we’ll a haulier will drop a trailer into a port it gets dragged onto a boat by what is referred to as a tug, the same happens on arrival in reverse & another haulier collects it.

This has not been stopped & as I have said this is how the vast majority of freight is shipped.

We appear to be being asked to panic over not a lot atm? The boats will still sale. The train maybe not so often as it’s set up more for speedy accompanied traffic but the freight service will still run soon enough if not already.

Supermarkets won’t be in any great hurry to complain I do t think either. What’s now coming in outside of fresh produce is more likely to be shit shoved on shelves for the post Xmas sales.

Which don’t look like happening anyway!

S"

You’re right most freight is unaccompanied but fresh food generally not .

Unaccompanied freight on the channel is very small. They have maybe 10 tugs working in Dover. .

Immingham and the other unaccompanied ports have hundreds of tugs working but very little fresh food mainly due to the length of the crossings.

Most ambient foods are still on their way but reefers are where our fresh stuff is concentrated.

We won’t run out of pasta or tinned stuff but fruit and veg is a problem. Medicine I really have no idea. Not my bag.

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By *losguygl3Man
over a year ago

Gloucester


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves. "

No we don't. We have been self sufficient in food since the middle of the 19th century. Our agriculture sector operates at 90% efficiency. But there isn't enough growing land.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"Did I forget that so many brexiteers were telling me that it was as much about controlling our borders....

Well...l the french are now showing you exactly what “controlling a border” looks like!

I mean... if you are telling people in the south east not to leave, but a shed load didn’t listen, if I was the french I’d be thinking what the fuck and why would we let in anyone going thru Kent....

Sort out pcr testing on the English side, then we let them thru....."

I think you will find this particular variant is already circulating in mainland Europe, and has been for months

It's only because of the UKs far superior genomic sequencing capabilities that it has been identified.

If only other European countries had similar capability.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Did I forget that so many brexiteers were telling me that it was as much about controlling our borders....

Well...l the french are now showing you exactly what “controlling a border” looks like!

I mean... if you are telling people in the south east not to leave, but a shed load didn’t listen, if I was the french I’d be thinking what the fuck and why would we let in anyone going thru Kent....

Sort out pcr testing on the English side, then we let them thru.....

I think you will find this particular variant is already circulating in mainland Europe, and has been for months

It's only because of the UKs far superior genomic sequencing capabilities that it has been identified.

If only other European countries had similar capability.

"

Yes imagine if they could create the first virus !!

Oh and imagine if most of them had a lower death rate than the U.K.

Shocking !!

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales


"Did I forget that so many brexiteers were telling me that it was as much about controlling our borders....

Well...l the french are now showing you exactly what “controlling a border” looks like!

I mean... if you are telling people in the south east not to leave, but a shed load didn’t listen, if I was the french I’d be thinking what the fuck and why would we let in anyone going thru Kent....

Sort out pcr testing on the English side, then we let them thru.....

I think you will find this particular variant is already circulating in mainland Europe, and has been for months

It's only because of the UKs far superior genomic sequencing capabilities that it has been identified.

If only other European countries had similar capability.

"

Some might say it’s only due to our honesty in saying it was here first? Maybe we already knew it was on the continent but others chose to go off guns blazing rather than admit to their populace it was already there & they hadn’t been told?

S

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By *losguygl3Man
over a year ago

Gloucester


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad.

Oranges from S Africa? 12 hour flight away? Yes mate dont you ever look at what you are buying in the supermarket?

No, getting oranges from S Africa isn’t very good for the environment, Thats true cant disagree with you there so you really should pay more attention to where they came from.You are probably buying s african oranges especially in july and august and thinking they are from the eu. You have already told us you make sure your cloths are made in italy maybe you should be as diligent with your food.

I was in Aldi earlier and bought some lovely banana's. They are excellent and come from Ecuador"

There is an EU-Ecuador free trade and technical agreement. So it was easy to get them here. Whole load of import cost and requirements going to be needed from January

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"Did I forget that so many brexiteers were telling me that it was as much about controlling our borders....

Well...l the french are now showing you exactly what “controlling a border” looks like!

I mean... if you are telling people in the south east not to leave, but a shed load didn’t listen, if I was the french I’d be thinking what the fuck and why would we let in anyone going thru Kent....

Sort out pcr testing on the English side, then we let them thru.....

I think you will find this particular variant is already circulating in mainland Europe, and has been for months

It's only because of the UKs far superior genomic sequencing capabilities that it has been identified.

If only other European countries had similar capability.

Yes imagine if they could create the first virus !!

Oh and imagine if most of them had a lower death rate than the U.K.

Shocking !! "

I need to go to bed

That should say vaccine not virus.

Night everyone

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"Did I forget that so many brexiteers were telling me that it was as much about controlling our borders....

Well...l the french are now showing you exactly what “controlling a border” looks like!

I mean... if you are telling people in the south east not to leave, but a shed load didn’t listen, if I was the french I’d be thinking what the fuck and why would we let in anyone going thru Kent....

Sort out pcr testing on the English side, then we let them thru.....

I think you will find this particular variant is already circulating in mainland Europe, and has been for months

It's only because of the UKs far superior genomic sequencing capabilities that it has been identified.

If only other European countries had similar capability.

Yes imagine if they could create the first virus !!

Oh and imagine if most of them had a lower death rate than the U.K.

Shocking !!

I need to go to bed

That should say vaccine not virus.

Night everyone "

Sweet dreams...

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

No we don't. We have been self sufficient in food since the middle of the 19th century. Our agriculture sector operates at 90% efficiency. But there isn't enough growing land."

I showed you above how that is simply not the case, we have more than sufficient land when we use new vertical farm technology and stop using fields to produce biofuels etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad.

Oranges from S Africa? 12 hour flight away? Yes mate dont you ever look at what you are buying in the supermarket?

No, getting oranges from S Africa isn’t very good for the environment, Thats true cant disagree with you there so you really should pay more attention to where they came from.You are probably buying s african oranges especially in july and august and thinking they are from the eu. You have already told us you make sure your cloths are made in italy maybe you should be as diligent with your food."

Why? I don’t have time to be checking where every single item of food I buy is from and the last time I checked you don’t wear oranges

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

No we don't. We have been self sufficient in food since the middle of the 19th century. Our agriculture sector operates at 90% efficiency. But there isn't enough growing land.

I showed you above how that is simply not the case, we have more than sufficient land when we use new vertical farm technology and stop using fields to produce biofuels etc "

‘The report states that very few vertical farming companies currently operate profitably. ... Vertical farming uses carefully controlled growth conditions to give yields far higher than normal agriculture. However, labour and electricity costs form challenges’.

I know how much you appreciate a copy and pasted quote

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad.

Oranges from S Africa? 12 hour flight away? Yes mate dont you ever look at what you are buying in the supermarket?

No, getting oranges from S Africa isn’t very good for the environment, Thats true cant disagree with you there so you really should pay more attention to where they came from.You are probably buying s african oranges especially in july and august and thinking they are from the eu. You have already told us you make sure your cloths are made in italy maybe you should be as diligent with your food.

Why? I don’t have time to be checking where every single item of food I buy is from and the last time I checked you don’t wear oranges "
No? you seem to spend a lot of time on here maybe you should .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this. "

Well if you say so it must be true!

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"

.....

I showed you above how that is simply not the case, we have more than sufficient land when we use new vertical farm technology and stop using fields to produce biofuels etc

‘The report states that very few vertical farming companies currently operate profitably. ... Vertical farming uses carefully controlled growth conditions to give yields far higher than normal agriculture. However, labour and electricity costs form challenges’.

I know how much you appreciate a copy and pasted quote "

So that’s a lukewarm quote stating the obvious that there will be challenges. From the same source however:

“And, according to IDTechEx, by producing crops efficiently near urban population centres, vertical farming could disrupt the notoriously complex supermarket supply chain. Currently, fresh produce travels hundreds to thousands of miles to reach consumers, losing freshness along the way and increasing the risks of contamination. Vertical farming could provide much fresher produce with less risk.

The global market for vertically farmed produce is forecasted to grow from $?781 million in 2020 to $?1.5 billion by 2030, representing a CAGR of 6.85%, according to a new report from market intelligence firm IDTechEx.”

Sounds like the future to me unless you’re a Luddite doommonger

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

.....

I showed you above how that is simply not the case, we have more than sufficient land when we use new vertical farm technology and stop using fields to produce biofuels etc

‘The report states that very few vertical farming companies currently operate profitably. ... Vertical farming uses carefully controlled growth conditions to give yields far higher than normal agriculture. However, labour and electricity costs form challenges’.

I know how much you appreciate a copy and pasted quote

So that’s a lukewarm quote stating the obvious that there will be challenges. From the same source however:

“And, according to IDTechEx, by producing crops efficiently near urban population centres, vertical farming could disrupt the notoriously complex supermarket supply chain. Currently, fresh produce travels hundreds to thousands of miles to reach consumers, losing freshness along the way and increasing the risks of contamination. Vertical farming could provide much fresher produce with less risk.

The global market for vertically farmed produce is forecasted to grow from $?781 million in 2020 to $?1.5 billion by 2030, representing a CAGR of 6.85%, according to a new report from market intelligence firm IDTechEx.”

Sounds like the future to me unless you’re a Luddite doommonger

"

Yes in urban centres where there isn't any agricultural land, on small scale, vertical farms work.

But I do enjoy your logic.

1. Brexit is amazing. There is no downside.

2. We don't want imported food anyway.

3. Vertical farms!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

.....

I showed you above how that is simply not the case, we have more than sufficient land when we use new vertical farm technology and stop using fields to produce biofuels etc

‘The report states that very few vertical farming companies currently operate profitably. ... Vertical farming uses carefully controlled growth conditions to give yields far higher than normal agriculture. However, labour and electricity costs form challenges’.

I know how much you appreciate a copy and pasted quote

So that’s a lukewarm quote stating the obvious that there will be challenges. From the same source however:

“And, according to IDTechEx, by producing crops efficiently near urban population centres, vertical farming could disrupt the notoriously complex supermarket supply chain. Currently, fresh produce travels hundreds to thousands of miles to reach consumers, losing freshness along the way and increasing the risks of contamination. Vertical farming could provide much fresher produce with less risk.

The global market for vertically farmed produce is forecasted to grow from $?781 million in 2020 to $?1.5 billion by 2030, representing a CAGR of 6.85%, according to a new report from market intelligence firm IDTechEx.”

Sounds like the future to me unless you’re a Luddite doommonger

"

They're Pricey: To start, vertical farming can be expensive in urban areas because of the construction and technology costs. This is why developers are reluctant to invest in vertical farming.

Requires Large Amounts of Electricity: In order to grow foods like grains, vegetables, or fruits, a lot of electricity is needed. We’ll have to rely on artificial lights to encourage growth, which can be expensive.

Can Lead to Potential Job Loss: As a new agricultural industry, vertical farming could replace a lot of traditional farming jobs. Food demands will be met by urban vertical farming, and the demand for traditional farmers could go down.

It is only fair that I counter your copy and pasted reply with my own copy and pasted reply

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad.

Oranges from S Africa? 12 hour flight away? Yes mate dont you ever look at what you are buying in the supermarket?

No, getting oranges from S Africa isn’t very good for the environment, Thats true cant disagree with you there so you really should pay more attention to where they came from.You are probably buying s african oranges especially in july and august and thinking they are from the eu. You have already told us you make sure your cloths are made in italy maybe you should be as diligent with your food.

Why? I don’t have time to be checking where every single item of food I buy is from and the last time I checked you don’t wear oranges No? you seem to spend a lot of time on here maybe you should . "

Only as much as you, and you must be keen to read my posts as you keep replying to them

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"

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I showed you above how that is simply not the case, we have more than sufficient land when we use new vertical farm technology and stop using fields to produce biofuels etc

‘The report states that very few vertical farming companies currently operate profitably. ... Vertical farming uses carefully controlled growth conditions to give yields far higher than normal agriculture. However, labour and electricity costs form challenges’.

I know how much you appreciate a copy and pasted quote

So that’s a lukewarm quote stating the obvious that there will be challenges. From the same source however:

“And, according to IDTechEx, by producing crops efficiently near urban population centres, vertical farming could disrupt the notoriously complex supermarket supply chain. Currently, fresh produce travels hundreds to thousands of miles to reach consumers, losing freshness along the way and increasing the risks of contamination. Vertical farming could provide much fresher produce with less risk.

The global market for vertically farmed produce is forecasted to grow from $?781 million in 2020 to $?1.5 billion by 2030, representing a CAGR of 6.85%, according to a new report from market intelligence firm IDTechEx.”

Sounds like the future to me unless you’re a Luddite doommonger

They're Pricey: To start, vertical farming can be expensive in urban areas because of the construction and technology costs. This is why developers are reluctant to invest in vertical farming.

Requires Large Amounts of Electricity: In order to grow foods like grains, vegetables, or fruits, a lot of electricity is needed. We’ll have to rely on artificial lights to encourage growth, which can be expensive.

Can Lead to Potential Job Loss: As a new agricultural industry, vertical farming could replace a lot of traditional farming jobs. Food demands will be met by urban vertical farming, and the demand for traditional farmers could go down.

It is only fair that I counter your copy and pasted reply with my own copy and pasted reply "

Good practice to use quote marks so we can see what you are writing and what is being quoted.

Job losses in farming is again a Luddite attitude, market forces causing labour shifts as they always have done when the market hasn’t been bucked by state or supranational intervention.

I’ve specifically said Lincolnshire not urban areas, you are misusing the report where it is referring to densely populated countries like Bangladesh or Lebanon.

Electricity costs, particularly from renewables, are falling dramatically. That’s why smart money is going in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

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I showed you above how that is simply not the case, we have more than sufficient land when we use new vertical farm technology and stop using fields to produce biofuels etc

‘The report states that very few vertical farming companies currently operate profitably. ... Vertical farming uses carefully controlled growth conditions to give yields far higher than normal agriculture. However, labour and electricity costs form challenges’.

I know how much you appreciate a copy and pasted quote

So that’s a lukewarm quote stating the obvious that there will be challenges. From the same source however:

“And, according to IDTechEx, by producing crops efficiently near urban population centres, vertical farming could disrupt the notoriously complex supermarket supply chain. Currently, fresh produce travels hundreds to thousands of miles to reach consumers, losing freshness along the way and increasing the risks of contamination. Vertical farming could provide much fresher produce with less risk.

The global market for vertically farmed produce is forecasted to grow from $?781 million in 2020 to $?1.5 billion by 2030, representing a CAGR of 6.85%, according to a new report from market intelligence firm IDTechEx.”

Sounds like the future to me unless you’re a Luddite doommonger

They're Pricey: To start, vertical farming can be expensive in urban areas because of the construction and technology costs. This is why developers are reluctant to invest in vertical farming.

Requires Large Amounts of Electricity: In order to grow foods like grains, vegetables, or fruits, a lot of electricity is needed. We’ll have to rely on artificial lights to encourage growth, which can be expensive.

Can Lead to Potential Job Loss: As a new agricultural industry, vertical farming could replace a lot of traditional farming jobs. Food demands will be met by urban vertical farming, and the demand for traditional farmers could go down.

It is only fair that I counter your copy and pasted reply with my own copy and pasted reply

Good practice to use quote marks so we can see what you are writing and what is being quoted.

Job losses in farming is again a Luddite attitude, market forces causing labour shifts as they always have done when the market hasn’t been bucked by state or supranational intervention.

I’ve specifically said Lincolnshire not urban areas, you are misusing the report where it is referring to densely populated countries like Bangladesh or Lebanon.

Electricity costs, particularly from renewables, are falling dramatically. That’s why smart money is going in."

Haha, ‘smart money’ ? So when are these smart people predicting the UK will be food self sufficient?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Am I missing something?

Are the borders still closed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

.....

I showed you above how that is simply not the case, we have more than sufficient land when we use new vertical farm technology and stop using fields to produce biofuels etc

‘The report states that very few vertical farming companies currently operate profitably. ... Vertical farming uses carefully controlled growth conditions to give yields far higher than normal agriculture. However, labour and electricity costs form challenges’.

I know how much you appreciate a copy and pasted quote

So that’s a lukewarm quote stating the obvious that there will be challenges. From the same source however:

“And, according to IDTechEx, by producing crops efficiently near urban population centres, vertical farming could disrupt the notoriously complex supermarket supply chain. Currently, fresh produce travels hundreds to thousands of miles to reach consumers, losing freshness along the way and increasing the risks of contamination. Vertical farming could provide much fresher produce with less risk.

The global market for vertically farmed produce is forecasted to grow from $?781 million in 2020 to $?1.5 billion by 2030, representing a CAGR of 6.85%, according to a new report from market intelligence firm IDTechEx.”

Sounds like the future to me unless you’re a Luddite doommonger

They're Pricey: To start, vertical farming can be expensive in urban areas because of the construction and technology costs. This is why developers are reluctant to invest in vertical farming.

Requires Large Amounts of Electricity: In order to grow foods like grains, vegetables, or fruits, a lot of electricity is needed. We’ll have to rely on artificial lights to encourage growth, which can be expensive.

Can Lead to Potential Job Loss: As a new agricultural industry, vertical farming could replace a lot of traditional farming jobs. Food demands will be met by urban vertical farming, and the demand for traditional farmers could go down.

It is only fair that I counter your copy and pasted reply with my own copy and pasted reply

Good practice to use quote marks so we can see what you are writing and what is being quoted.

Job losses in farming is again a Luddite attitude, market forces causing labour shifts as they always have done when the market hasn’t been bucked by state or supranational intervention.

I’ve specifically said Lincolnshire not urban areas, you are misusing the report where it is referring to densely populated countries like Bangladesh or Lebanon.

Electricity costs, particularly from renewables, are falling dramatically. That’s why smart money is going in."

If you're argument is that vertical farming is the solution to all the Brexit bullshit (which is an oxymoron if there is no downside to Brexit as you like to believe), you should really research vertical farms. Otherwise your arguments will continue to be torn to shreds and mocked.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Besides. You were arguing earlier that the French are desperate to sell to us.

Have you changed your mind now, and think we can cover the country in expensive, inefficient, ridiculous vertical farms?

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"

.....

I showed you above how that is simply not the case, we have more than sufficient land when we use new vertical farm technology and stop using fields to produce biofuels etc

‘The report states that very few vertical farming companies currently operate profitably. ... Vertical farming uses carefully controlled growth conditions to give yields far higher than normal agriculture. However, labour and electricity costs form challenges’.

I know how much you appreciate a copy and pasted quote

So that’s a lukewarm quote stating the obvious that there will be challenges. From the same source however:

“And, according to IDTechEx, by producing crops efficiently near urban population centres, vertical farming could disrupt the notoriously complex supermarket supply chain. Currently, fresh produce travels hundreds to thousands of miles to reach consumers, losing freshness along the way and increasing the risks of contamination. Vertical farming could provide much fresher produce with less risk.

The global market for vertically farmed produce is forecasted to grow from $?781 million in 2020 to $?1.5 billion by 2030, representing a CAGR of 6.85%, according to a new report from market intelligence firm IDTechEx.”

Sounds like the future to me unless you’re a Luddite doommonger

They're Pricey: To start, vertical farming can be expensive in urban areas because of the construction and technology costs. This is why developers are reluctant to invest in vertical farming.

Requires Large Amounts of Electricity: In order to grow foods like grains, vegetables, or fruits, a lot of electricity is needed. We’ll have to rely on artificial lights to encourage growth, which can be expensive.

Can Lead to Potential Job Loss: As a new agricultural industry, vertical farming could replace a lot of traditional farming jobs. Food demands will be met by urban vertical farming, and the demand for traditional farmers could go down.

It is only fair that I counter your copy and pasted reply with my own copy and pasted reply

Good practice to use quote marks so we can see what you are writing and what is being quoted.

Job losses in farming is again a Luddite attitude, market forces causing labour shifts as they always have done when the market hasn’t been bucked by state or supranational intervention.

I’ve specifically said Lincolnshire not urban areas, you are misusing the report where it is referring to densely populated countries like Bangladesh or Lebanon.

Electricity costs, particularly from renewables, are falling dramatically. That’s why smart money is going in.

If you're argument is that vertical farming is the solution to all the Brexit bullshit (which is an oxymoron if there is no downside to Brexit as you like to believe), you should really research vertical farms. Otherwise your arguments will continue to be torn to shreds and mocked."

I must have missed the part where my argument was torn to shreds. Let me check again..... nope no factual rebuttal anywhere.

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S"

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries."

What percentage of the UKs food is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

.....

I showed you above how that is simply not the case, we have more than sufficient land when we use new vertical farm technology and stop using fields to produce biofuels etc

‘The report states that very few vertical farming companies currently operate profitably. ... Vertical farming uses carefully controlled growth conditions to give yields far higher than normal agriculture. However, labour and electricity costs form challenges’.

I know how much you appreciate a copy and pasted quote

So that’s a lukewarm quote stating the obvious that there will be challenges. From the same source however:

“And, according to IDTechEx, by producing crops efficiently near urban population centres, vertical farming could disrupt the notoriously complex supermarket supply chain. Currently, fresh produce travels hundreds to thousands of miles to reach consumers, losing freshness along the way and increasing the risks of contamination. Vertical farming could provide much fresher produce with less risk.

The global market for vertically farmed produce is forecasted to grow from $?781 million in 2020 to $?1.5 billion by 2030, representing a CAGR of 6.85%, according to a new report from market intelligence firm IDTechEx.”

Sounds like the future to me unless you’re a Luddite doommonger

They're Pricey: To start, vertical farming can be expensive in urban areas because of the construction and technology costs. This is why developers are reluctant to invest in vertical farming.

Requires Large Amounts of Electricity: In order to grow foods like grains, vegetables, or fruits, a lot of electricity is needed. We’ll have to rely on artificial lights to encourage growth, which can be expensive.

Can Lead to Potential Job Loss: As a new agricultural industry, vertical farming could replace a lot of traditional farming jobs. Food demands will be met by urban vertical farming, and the demand for traditional farmers could go down.

It is only fair that I counter your copy and pasted reply with my own copy and pasted reply

Good practice to use quote marks so we can see what you are writing and what is being quoted.

Job losses in farming is again a Luddite attitude, market forces causing labour shifts as they always have done when the market hasn’t been bucked by state or supranational intervention.

I’ve specifically said Lincolnshire not urban areas, you are misusing the report where it is referring to densely populated countries like Bangladesh or Lebanon.

Electricity costs, particularly from renewables, are falling dramatically. That’s why smart money is going in.

If you're argument is that vertical farming is the solution to all the Brexit bullshit (which is an oxymoron if there is no downside to Brexit as you like to believe), you should really research vertical farms. Otherwise your arguments will continue to be torn to shreds and mocked.

I must have missed the part where my argument was torn to shreds. Let me check again..... nope no factual rebuttal anywhere. "

Yes you missed everything.

The vertical farms are suitable for urban areas. And work on a very small scale. You are suggesting covering the countryside in them and its laughable.

If I suggest growing mushrooms on the moon, it would be of equal merit.

Calling people who understand who vertical farms work "luddites" is just ridiculous.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

IF I have learned anything from this forum it is that delusional magic sky thinking is still quite popular and reality doesn't exactly hold any weight with the magic sky thinkers.

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

What percentage of the UKs food is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient? "

The market will adapt in a matter of months.

Even if all food imports stopped tomorrow we would survive perfectly well.

But you carry on destroying the planet with your weekly kiwi fruit delivery

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

What percentage of the UKs food is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient?

The market will adapt in a matter of months.

Even if all food imports stopped tomorrow we would survive perfectly well.

But you carry on destroying the planet with your weekly kiwi fruit delivery "

I don’t like Kiwi fruit. Any chance you can answer my questions? What are the ‘smart ‘ people predicting?

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries."

It’s a bit like when I’d sit in my car in rush hour traffic twice a day. One of my biggest Idle thoughts was

There’s Jo from Southend heading to her counter job in Barclays in Dagenham & there’s Geoff from Barking heading for his counter job at Santander Southend..

Just swap fekkin jobs! Greener & you don’t waste three unpaid hours a day sitting in a fekkin car!

Farm stuff where it fits, here we are surrounded by sheep & cows as it’s mountainous & hilly, zero arable yet back in Essex lots of flat arable but still sheep & cows on perfect arable land why?

Moving stuff about Nationally is a damn sight easier than internationally, so move farming to where it fits the land better.

Fuck the farmers, they’re a service industry like any other & we want them to be more efficient with our land. (Tongue firmly in cheek there).

S

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad.

Oranges from S Africa? 12 hour flight away? Yes mate dont you ever look at what you are buying in the supermarket?

No, getting oranges from S Africa isn’t very good for the environment, Thats true cant disagree with you there so you really should pay more attention to where they came from.You are probably buying s african oranges especially in july and august and thinking they are from the eu. You have already told us you make sure your cloths are made in italy maybe you should be as diligent with your food.

Why? I don’t have time to be checking where every single item of food I buy is from and the last time I checked you don’t wear oranges No? you seem to spend a lot of time on here maybe you should .

Only as much as you, and you must be keen to read my posts as you keep replying to them

. "
I have all the time in the world so i can spend time on here and see where my food comes from.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad.

Oranges from S Africa? 12 hour flight away? Yes mate dont you ever look at what you are buying in the supermarket?

No, getting oranges from S Africa isn’t very good for the environment, Thats true cant disagree with you there so you really should pay more attention to where they came from.You are probably buying s african oranges especially in july and august and thinking they are from the eu. You have already told us you make sure your cloths are made in italy maybe you should be as diligent with your food.

Why? I don’t have time to be checking where every single item of food I buy is from and the last time I checked you don’t wear oranges No? you seem to spend a lot of time on here maybe you should .

Only as much as you, and you must be keen to read my posts as you keep replying to them

. I have all the time in the world so i can spend time on here and see where my food comes from. "

Good man, when you buy your food do you also read where the ingredients come from?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

It’s a bit like when I’d sit in my car in rush hour traffic twice a day. One of my biggest Idle thoughts was

There’s Jo from Southend heading to her counter job in Barclays in Dagenham & there’s Geoff from Barking heading for his counter job at Santander Southend..

Just swap fekkin jobs! Greener & you don’t waste three unpaid hours a day sitting in a fekkin car!

Farm stuff where it fits, here we are surrounded by sheep & cows as it’s mountainous & hilly, zero arable yet back in Essex lots of flat arable but still sheep & cows on perfect arable land why?

Moving stuff about Nationally is a damn sight easier than internationally, so move farming to where it fits the land better.

Fuck the farmers, they’re a service industry like any other & we want them to be more efficient with our land. (Tongue firmly in cheek there).

S"

You honestly think it is that easy?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad.

Oranges from S Africa? 12 hour flight away? Yes mate dont you ever look at what you are buying in the supermarket?

No, getting oranges from S Africa isn’t very good for the environment, Thats true cant disagree with you there so you really should pay more attention to where they came from.You are probably buying s african oranges especially in july and august and thinking they are from the eu. You have already told us you make sure your cloths are made in italy maybe you should be as diligent with your food.

Why? I don’t have time to be checking where every single item of food I buy is from and the last time I checked you don’t wear oranges No? you seem to spend a lot of time on here maybe you should .

Only as much as you, and you must be keen to read my posts as you keep replying to them

. I have all the time in the world so i can spend time on here and see where my food comes from.

Good man, when you buy your food do you also read where the ingredients come from? "
I dont need to that much as do a lot of my shopping at local farm shops but yes do go to supermarkets for pasta,s and fruit thats not grown here.

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

What percentage of the UKs food is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient?

The market will adapt in a matter of months.

Even if all food imports stopped tomorrow we would survive perfectly well.

But you carry on destroying the planet with your weekly kiwi fruit delivery

I don’t like Kiwi fruit. Any chance you can answer my questions? What are the ‘smart ‘ people predicting? "

Lol, it’s at the top of the very same article you quoted, Bezos and Schmidt for a start:

“According to IDTechEx, investors are responding enthusiastically, with the sector raising over $?1 billion in funding since 2015. High profile investments include New Jersey-based start-up AeroFarms raising $?100 million in 2019 to expand its aeroponic growing facilities, and Californian start-up Plenty raising $?200 million in 2017 in a funding round led by SoftBank Vision Fund, along with backers including Jeff Bezos and Alphabet chairman Eric Schmidt.“

These are childishly simple questions to answer, have you got anything harder?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad.

Oranges from S Africa? 12 hour flight away? Yes mate dont you ever look at what you are buying in the supermarket?

No, getting oranges from S Africa isn’t very good for the environment, Thats true cant disagree with you there so you really should pay more attention to where they came from.You are probably buying s african oranges especially in july and august and thinking they are from the eu. You have already told us you make sure your cloths are made in italy maybe you should be as diligent with your food.

Why? I don’t have time to be checking where every single item of food I buy is from and the last time I checked you don’t wear oranges No? you seem to spend a lot of time on here maybe you should .

Only as much as you, and you must be keen to read my posts as you keep replying to them

. I have all the time in the world so i can spend time on here and see where my food comes from.

Good man, when you buy your food do you also read where the ingredients come from? I dont need to that much as do a lot of my shopping at local farm shops but yes do go to supermarkets for pasta,s and fruit thats not grown here."

I admire your diligence, if only there was a local farm shop near everyone in the UK

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

What percentage of the UKs food is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient?

The market will adapt in a matter of months.

Even if all food imports stopped tomorrow we would survive perfectly well.

But you carry on destroying the planet with your weekly kiwi fruit delivery

I don’t like Kiwi fruit. Any chance you can answer my questions? What are the ‘smart ‘ people predicting?

Lol, it’s at the top of the very same article you quoted, Bezos and Schmidt for a start:

“According to IDTechEx, investors are responding enthusiastically, with the sector raising over $?1 billion in funding since 2015. High profile investments include New Jersey-based start-up AeroFarms raising $?100 million in 2019 to expand its aeroponic growing facilities, and Californian start-up Plenty raising $?200 million in 2017 in a funding round led by SoftBank Vision Fund, along with backers including Jeff Bezos and Alphabet chairman Eric Schmidt.“

These are childishly simple questions to answer, have you got anything harder? "

I am still awaiting an answer? What percentage of the UKs food output is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient? What are these smart people predicting ?

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

It’s a bit like when I’d sit in my car in rush hour traffic twice a day. One of my biggest Idle thoughts was

There’s Jo from Southend heading to her counter job in Barclays in Dagenham & there’s Geoff from Barking heading for his counter job at Santander Southend..

Just swap fekkin jobs! Greener & you don’t waste three unpaid hours a day sitting in a fekkin car!

Farm stuff where it fits, here we are surrounded by sheep & cows as it’s mountainous & hilly, zero arable yet back in Essex lots of flat arable but still sheep & cows on perfect arable land why?

Moving stuff about Nationally is a damn sight easier than internationally, so move farming to where it fits the land better.

Fuck the farmers, they’re a service industry like any other & we want them to be more efficient with our land. (Tongue firmly in cheek there).

S

You honestly think it is that easy? "

No, but do we want to be self supporting or not?

S

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

What percentage of the UKs food is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient?

The market will adapt in a matter of months.

Even if all food imports stopped tomorrow we would survive perfectly well.

But you carry on destroying the planet with your weekly kiwi fruit delivery

I don’t like Kiwi fruit. Any chance you can answer my questions? What are the ‘smart ‘ people predicting?

Lol, it’s at the top of the very same article you quoted, Bezos and Schmidt for a start:

“According to IDTechEx, investors are responding enthusiastically, with the sector raising over $?1 billion in funding since 2015. High profile investments include New Jersey-based start-up AeroFarms raising $?100 million in 2019 to expand its aeroponic growing facilities, and Californian start-up Plenty raising $?200 million in 2017 in a funding round led by SoftBank Vision Fund, along with backers including Jeff Bezos and Alphabet chairman Eric Schmidt.“

These are childishly simple questions to answer, have you got anything harder?

I am still awaiting an answer? What percentage of the UKs food output is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient? What are these smart people predicting ? "

About 3 months

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

What percentage of the UKs food is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient?

The market will adapt in a matter of months.

Even if all food imports stopped tomorrow we would survive perfectly well.

But you carry on destroying the planet with your weekly kiwi fruit delivery

I don’t like Kiwi fruit. Any chance you can answer my questions? What are the ‘smart ‘ people predicting?

Lol, it’s at the top of the very same article you quoted, Bezos and Schmidt for a start:

“According to IDTechEx, investors are responding enthusiastically, with the sector raising over $?1 billion in funding since 2015. High profile investments include New Jersey-based start-up AeroFarms raising $?100 million in 2019 to expand its aeroponic growing facilities, and Californian start-up Plenty raising $?200 million in 2017 in a funding round led by SoftBank Vision Fund, along with backers including Jeff Bezos and Alphabet chairman Eric Schmidt.“

These are childishly simple questions to answer, have you got anything harder?

I am still awaiting an answer? What percentage of the UKs food output is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient? What are these smart people predicting ?

About 3 months"

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

What percentage of the UKs food is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient?

The market will adapt in a matter of months.

Even if all food imports stopped tomorrow we would survive perfectly well.

But you carry on destroying the planet with your weekly kiwi fruit delivery

I don’t like Kiwi fruit. Any chance you can answer my questions? What are the ‘smart ‘ people predicting?

Lol, it’s at the top of the very same article you quoted, Bezos and Schmidt for a start:

“According to IDTechEx, investors are responding enthusiastically, with the sector raising over $?1 billion in funding since 2015. High profile investments include New Jersey-based start-up AeroFarms raising $?100 million in 2019 to expand its aeroponic growing facilities, and Californian start-up Plenty raising $?200 million in 2017 in a funding round led by SoftBank Vision Fund, along with backers including Jeff Bezos and Alphabet chairman Eric Schmidt.“

These are childishly simple questions to answer, have you got anything harder?

I am still awaiting an answer? What percentage of the UKs food output is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient? What are these smart people predicting ?

About 3 months

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean? "

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

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over a year ago


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

What percentage of the UKs food is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient?

The market will adapt in a matter of months.

Even if all food imports stopped tomorrow we would survive perfectly well.

But you carry on destroying the planet with your weekly kiwi fruit delivery

I don’t like Kiwi fruit. Any chance you can answer my questions? What are the ‘smart ‘ people predicting?

Lol, it’s at the top of the very same article you quoted, Bezos and Schmidt for a start:

“According to IDTechEx, investors are responding enthusiastically, with the sector raising over $?1 billion in funding since 2015. High profile investments include New Jersey-based start-up AeroFarms raising $?100 million in 2019 to expand its aeroponic growing facilities, and Californian start-up Plenty raising $?200 million in 2017 in a funding round led by SoftBank Vision Fund, along with backers including Jeff Bezos and Alphabet chairman Eric Schmidt.“

These are childishly simple questions to answer, have you got anything harder?

I am still awaiting an answer? What percentage of the UKs food output is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient? What are these smart people predicting ?

About 3 months

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well."

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

What percentage of the UKs food is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient?

The market will adapt in a matter of months.

Even if all food imports stopped tomorrow we would survive perfectly well.

But you carry on destroying the planet with your weekly kiwi fruit delivery

I don’t like Kiwi fruit. Any chance you can answer my questions? What are the ‘smart ‘ people predicting?

Lol, it’s at the top of the very same article you quoted, Bezos and Schmidt for a start:

“According to IDTechEx, investors are responding enthusiastically, with the sector raising over $?1 billion in funding since 2015. High profile investments include New Jersey-based start-up AeroFarms raising $?100 million in 2019 to expand its aeroponic growing facilities, and Californian start-up Plenty raising $?200 million in 2017 in a funding round led by SoftBank Vision Fund, along with backers including Jeff Bezos and Alphabet chairman Eric Schmidt.“

These are childishly simple questions to answer, have you got anything harder?

I am still awaiting an answer? What percentage of the UKs food output is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient? What are these smart people predicting ?

About 3 months

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea "

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

What percentage of the UKs food is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient?

The market will adapt in a matter of months.

Even if all food imports stopped tomorrow we would survive perfectly well.

But you carry on destroying the planet with your weekly kiwi fruit delivery

I don’t like Kiwi fruit. Any chance you can answer my questions? What are the ‘smart ‘ people predicting?

Lol, it’s at the top of the very same article you quoted, Bezos and Schmidt for a start:

“According to IDTechEx, investors are responding enthusiastically, with the sector raising over $?1 billion in funding since 2015. High profile investments include New Jersey-based start-up AeroFarms raising $?100 million in 2019 to expand its aeroponic growing facilities, and Californian start-up Plenty raising $?200 million in 2017 in a funding round led by SoftBank Vision Fund, along with backers including Jeff Bezos and Alphabet chairman Eric Schmidt.“

These are childishly simple questions to answer, have you got anything harder?

I am still awaiting an answer? What percentage of the UKs food output is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient? What are these smart people predicting ?

About 3 months

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?"

Fantastic copy and paste skills yet again, do you ever think for yourself ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

What percentage of the UKs food is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient?

The market will adapt in a matter of months.

Even if all food imports stopped tomorrow we would survive perfectly well.

But you carry on destroying the planet with your weekly kiwi fruit delivery

I don’t like Kiwi fruit. Any chance you can answer my questions? What are the ‘smart ‘ people predicting?

Lol, it’s at the top of the very same article you quoted, Bezos and Schmidt for a start:

“According to IDTechEx, investors are responding enthusiastically, with the sector raising over $?1 billion in funding since 2015. High profile investments include New Jersey-based start-up AeroFarms raising $?100 million in 2019 to expand its aeroponic growing facilities, and Californian start-up Plenty raising $?200 million in 2017 in a funding round led by SoftBank Vision Fund, along with backers including Jeff Bezos and Alphabet chairman Eric Schmidt.“

These are childishly simple questions to answer, have you got anything harder?

I am still awaiting an answer? What percentage of the UKs food output is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient? What are these smart people predicting ?

About 3 months

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?"

UK solar PV installed capacity at the end of 2017 was 12.8 GW, representing a 3.4% share of total electricity generation

Recent statistics released by DECC [1] show that there are now 800,000 homes with solar PV electricity panels. The solar trade body also estimates that there are 250,000 homes [2] that have solar thermal hot water heating panels. Putting the two solar technologies together that makes over 1 million solar homes in all.

It’s amazing what you can copy and paste of the internet

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

What percentage of the UKs food is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient?

The market will adapt in a matter of months.

Even if all food imports stopped tomorrow we would survive perfectly well.

But you carry on destroying the planet with your weekly kiwi fruit delivery

I don’t like Kiwi fruit. Any chance you can answer my questions? What are the ‘smart ‘ people predicting?

Lol, it’s at the top of the very same article you quoted, Bezos and Schmidt for a start:

“According to IDTechEx, investors are responding enthusiastically, with the sector raising over $?1 billion in funding since 2015. High profile investments include New Jersey-based start-up AeroFarms raising $?100 million in 2019 to expand its aeroponic growing facilities, and Californian start-up Plenty raising $?200 million in 2017 in a funding round led by SoftBank Vision Fund, along with backers including Jeff Bezos and Alphabet chairman Eric Schmidt.“

These are childishly simple questions to answer, have you got anything harder?

I am still awaiting an answer? What percentage of the UKs food output is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient? What are these smart people predicting ?

About 3 months

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

UK solar PV installed capacity at the end of 2017 was 12.8 GW, representing a 3.4% share of total electricity generation

Recent statistics released by DECC [1] show that there are now 800,000 homes with solar PV electricity panels. The solar trade body also estimates that there are 250,000 homes [2] that have solar thermal hot water heating panels. Putting the two solar technologies together that makes over 1 million solar homes in all.

It’s amazing what you can copy and paste of the internet

"

So you’ve changed your mind then? Good result

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over a year ago


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

What percentage of the UKs food is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient?

The market will adapt in a matter of months.

Even if all food imports stopped tomorrow we would survive perfectly well.

But you carry on destroying the planet with your weekly kiwi fruit delivery

I don’t like Kiwi fruit. Any chance you can answer my questions? What are the ‘smart ‘ people predicting?

Lol, it’s at the top of the very same article you quoted, Bezos and Schmidt for a start:

“According to IDTechEx, investors are responding enthusiastically, with the sector raising over $?1 billion in funding since 2015. High profile investments include New Jersey-based start-up AeroFarms raising $?100 million in 2019 to expand its aeroponic growing facilities, and Californian start-up Plenty raising $?200 million in 2017 in a funding round led by SoftBank Vision Fund, along with backers including Jeff Bezos and Alphabet chairman Eric Schmidt.“

These are childishly simple questions to answer, have you got anything harder?

I am still awaiting an answer? What percentage of the UKs food output is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient? What are these smart people predicting ?

About 3 months

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

UK solar PV installed capacity at the end of 2017 was 12.8 GW, representing a 3.4% share of total electricity generation

Recent statistics released by DECC [1] show that there are now 800,000 homes with solar PV electricity panels. The solar trade body also estimates that there are 250,000 homes [2] that have solar thermal hot water heating panels. Putting the two solar technologies together that makes over 1 million solar homes in all.

It’s amazing what you can copy and paste of the internet

So you’ve changed your mind then? Good result "

Change my mind about what? My copy and pasted ‘stats’ contradict yours? Whatever can this mean ?

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over a year ago


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

What percentage of the UKs food is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient?

The market will adapt in a matter of months.

Even if all food imports stopped tomorrow we would survive perfectly well.

But you carry on destroying the planet with your weekly kiwi fruit delivery

I don’t like Kiwi fruit. Any chance you can answer my questions? What are the ‘smart ‘ people predicting?

Lol, it’s at the top of the very same article you quoted, Bezos and Schmidt for a start:

“According to IDTechEx, investors are responding enthusiastically, with the sector raising over $?1 billion in funding since 2015. High profile investments include New Jersey-based start-up AeroFarms raising $?100 million in 2019 to expand its aeroponic growing facilities, and Californian start-up Plenty raising $?200 million in 2017 in a funding round led by SoftBank Vision Fund, along with backers including Jeff Bezos and Alphabet chairman Eric Schmidt.“

These are childishly simple questions to answer, have you got anything harder?

I am still awaiting an answer? What percentage of the UKs food output is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient? What are these smart people predicting ?

About 3 months

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

UK solar PV installed capacity at the end of 2017 was 12.8 GW, representing a 3.4% share of total electricity generation

Recent statistics released by DECC [1] show that there are now 800,000 homes with solar PV electricity panels. The solar trade body also estimates that there are 250,000 homes [2] that have solar thermal hot water heating panels. Putting the two solar technologies together that makes over 1 million solar homes in all.

It’s amazing what you can copy and paste of the internet

So you’ve changed your mind then? Good result "

Beware of sources on the internet that look like reputable magazines, and newspapers, but don't have reliable content. Websites and blogs - can be reliable or unreliable, hoaxes or sincere misinformation. ... Online news sources are particularly notorious for false information.8 Oct 2020

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

What percentage of the UKs food is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient?

The market will adapt in a matter of months.

Even if all food imports stopped tomorrow we would survive perfectly well.

But you carry on destroying the planet with your weekly kiwi fruit delivery

I don’t like Kiwi fruit. Any chance you can answer my questions? What are the ‘smart ‘ people predicting?

Lol, it’s at the top of the very same article you quoted, Bezos and Schmidt for a start:

“According to IDTechEx, investors are responding enthusiastically, with the sector raising over $?1 billion in funding since 2015. High profile investments include New Jersey-based start-up AeroFarms raising $?100 million in 2019 to expand its aeroponic growing facilities, and Californian start-up Plenty raising $?200 million in 2017 in a funding round led by SoftBank Vision Fund, along with backers including Jeff Bezos and Alphabet chairman Eric Schmidt.“

These are childishly simple questions to answer, have you got anything harder?

I am still awaiting an answer? What percentage of the UKs food output is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient? What are these smart people predicting ?

About 3 months

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

UK solar PV installed capacity at the end of 2017 was 12.8 GW, representing a 3.4% share of total electricity generation

Recent statistics released by DECC [1] show that there are now 800,000 homes with solar PV electricity panels. The solar trade body also estimates that there are 250,000 homes [2] that have solar thermal hot water heating panels. Putting the two solar technologies together that makes over 1 million solar homes in all.

It’s amazing what you can copy and paste of the internet

So you’ve changed your mind then? Good result

Change my mind about what? My copy and pasted ‘stats’ contradict yours? Whatever can this mean ? "

You’re quoting from 2017 (gentle reminder you’ve forgotten the quote marks again) I’m quoting from 2020.

These are simple reading comprehension issues mate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

What percentage of the UKs food is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient?

The market will adapt in a matter of months.

Even if all food imports stopped tomorrow we would survive perfectly well.

But you carry on destroying the planet with your weekly kiwi fruit delivery

I don’t like Kiwi fruit. Any chance you can answer my questions? What are the ‘smart ‘ people predicting?

Lol, it’s at the top of the very same article you quoted, Bezos and Schmidt for a start:

“According to IDTechEx, investors are responding enthusiastically, with the sector raising over $?1 billion in funding since 2015. High profile investments include New Jersey-based start-up AeroFarms raising $?100 million in 2019 to expand its aeroponic growing facilities, and Californian start-up Plenty raising $?200 million in 2017 in a funding round led by SoftBank Vision Fund, along with backers including Jeff Bezos and Alphabet chairman Eric Schmidt.“

These are childishly simple questions to answer, have you got anything harder?

I am still awaiting an answer? What percentage of the UKs food output is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient? What are these smart people predicting ?

About 3 months

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

UK solar PV installed capacity at the end of 2017 was 12.8 GW, representing a 3.4% share of total electricity generation

Recent statistics released by DECC [1] show that there are now 800,000 homes with solar PV electricity panels. The solar trade body also estimates that there are 250,000 homes [2] that have solar thermal hot water heating panels. Putting the two solar technologies together that makes over 1 million solar homes in all.

It’s amazing what you can copy and paste of the internet

So you’ve changed your mind then? Good result

Change my mind about what? My copy and pasted ‘stats’ contradict yours? Whatever can this mean ?

You’re quoting from 2017 (gentle reminder you’ve forgotten the quote marks again) I’m quoting from 2020.

These are simple reading comprehension issues mate "

You bastardised a Churchill quote last week to try and fit you agenda!

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

What percentage of the UKs food is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient?

The market will adapt in a matter of months.

Even if all food imports stopped tomorrow we would survive perfectly well.

But you carry on destroying the planet with your weekly kiwi fruit delivery

I don’t like Kiwi fruit. Any chance you can answer my questions? What are the ‘smart ‘ people predicting?

Lol, it’s at the top of the very same article you quoted, Bezos and Schmidt for a start:

“According to IDTechEx, investors are responding enthusiastically, with the sector raising over $?1 billion in funding since 2015. High profile investments include New Jersey-based start-up AeroFarms raising $?100 million in 2019 to expand its aeroponic growing facilities, and Californian start-up Plenty raising $?200 million in 2017 in a funding round led by SoftBank Vision Fund, along with backers including Jeff Bezos and Alphabet chairman Eric Schmidt.“

These are childishly simple questions to answer, have you got anything harder?

I am still awaiting an answer? What percentage of the UKs food output is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient? What are these smart people predicting ?

About 3 months

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?"

You should read your posts and date check them before posting.

10million homes by 2020 ??

The number is 1-1.4million today so no where near expectations.

Whilst they are very good for the environment they are subsidised right now and so popular. If the subsidy drops the uptake will drop.

Wind farms became popular due to the generous grants. David Cameron agreed to double these grants when he came to power. What a nice man.

At the sam time the Sheffield estate in North Lincolnshire put up an extra 60 or so turbines.

Their daughter was delighted for them. Why do I mention her ?

Because she is David Cameron’s wife !!

Well blow me down with a candle how lucky was that!

As for electric cars , the theory is great but the cost to the environment to manufacture is not great.

Look into battery disposal and that’s a whole new can of worms. We don’t have the disposal options on a big enough scale.

Boris running ahead as usual. Never the detail from him just appalling.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If we weren’t such a bunch of “I wants” it would never be an issue.

Eat what’s grown here when it’s grown here, no strawberries outside of the summer months? Ahh didums can you not chop them to put on your special K or to drop a few in your salad? I’m sure you’ll get over it.

What? No fcking Aubergines, Yams & Kiwi fruit either? Ffs the world is going to end! Call Boris! call Macron! Tell them this can’t be allowed, Islington & Highgate will come to a standstill!

Eat seasonal U.K. grown & be done with it.

How anyone can say they are at all green while filling their kitchens with stuff from all corners of the world is beyond me. But that’s another issue.

S

I completely agree, it’s the same issue and perfectly relevant to my argument.

It’s ridiculous to say we can’t grow all our own food when so much agricultural land is given over to biofuels and other nonsense.

If we all choose to live more sustainably we can have the best of both worlds, proper local produce and occasional delicacies from other countries.

What percentage of the UKs food is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient?

The market will adapt in a matter of months.

Even if all food imports stopped tomorrow we would survive perfectly well.

But you carry on destroying the planet with your weekly kiwi fruit delivery

I don’t like Kiwi fruit. Any chance you can answer my questions? What are the ‘smart ‘ people predicting?

Lol, it’s at the top of the very same article you quoted, Bezos and Schmidt for a start:

“According to IDTechEx, investors are responding enthusiastically, with the sector raising over $?1 billion in funding since 2015. High profile investments include New Jersey-based start-up AeroFarms raising $?100 million in 2019 to expand its aeroponic growing facilities, and Californian start-up Plenty raising $?200 million in 2017 in a funding round led by SoftBank Vision Fund, along with backers including Jeff Bezos and Alphabet chairman Eric Schmidt.“

These are childishly simple questions to answer, have you got anything harder?

I am still awaiting an answer? What percentage of the UKs food output is produced by vertical farming and when will the UK be food self sufficient? What are these smart people predicting ?

About 3 months

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

UK solar PV installed capacity at the end of 2017 was 12.8 GW, representing a 3.4% share of total electricity generation

Recent statistics released by DECC [1] show that there are now 800,000 homes with solar PV electricity panels. The solar trade body also estimates that there are 250,000 homes [2] that have solar thermal hot water heating panels. Putting the two solar technologies together that makes over 1 million solar homes in all.

It’s amazing what you can copy and paste of the internet

So you’ve changed your mind then? Good result

Change my mind about what? My copy and pasted ‘stats’ contradict yours? Whatever can this mean ?

You’re quoting from 2017 (gentle reminder you’ve forgotten the quote marks again) I’m quoting from 2020.

These are simple reading comprehension issues mate "

‘Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020,’ so that was taken from 2020?

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By *losguygl3Man
over a year ago

Gloucester


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

No we don't. We have been self sufficient in food since the middle of the 19th century. Our agriculture sector operates at 90% efficiency. But there isn't enough growing land.

I showed you above how that is simply not the case, we have more than sufficient land when we use new vertical farm technology and stop using fields to produce biofuels etc "

And as already been pointed out to you, what you stated was wrong

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

Solar panels and heat pumps are a great idea and would save a lot of pollution ect but at between 10-20 grand for heat pump and still thousands more for solar most will not take it up.

It’s always the same thing businesses will make a killing but the end user will not gain anything.

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"

....

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

You should read your posts and date check them before posting.

10million homes by 2020 ??

The number is 1-1.4million today so no where near expectations.

Whilst they are very good for the environment they are subsidised right now and so popular. If the subsidy drops the uptake will drop.

Wind farms became popular due to the generous grants. David Cameron agreed to double these grants when he came to power. What a nice man.

At the sam time the Sheffield estate in North Lincolnshire put up an extra 60 or so turbines.

Their daughter was delighted for them. Why do I mention her ?

Because she is David Cameron’s wife !!

Well blow me down with a candle how lucky was that!

As for electric cars , the theory is great but the cost to the environment to manufacture is not great.

Look into battery disposal and that’s a whole new can of worms. We don’t have the disposal options on a big enough scale.

Boris running ahead as usual. Never the detail from him just appalling.

"

Now you’re just rolling around a bunch of different new topics - why are you mentioning Boris and battery disposal eh ???!!?? - as usual when your argument falls to pieces. As you sarcastically said above “solar energy, great idea in the UK” then oops turns out we are really good at it.

Maybe you have a little parochial view from rainy Manchester but it’s been sunny all day here, think you need to broaden your horizons

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

....

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

You should read your posts and date check them before posting.

10million homes by 2020 ??

The number is 1-1.4million today so no where near expectations.

Whilst they are very good for the environment they are subsidised right now and so popular. If the subsidy drops the uptake will drop.

Wind farms became popular due to the generous grants. David Cameron agreed to double these grants when he came to power. What a nice man.

At the sam time the Sheffield estate in North Lincolnshire put up an extra 60 or so turbines.

Their daughter was delighted for them. Why do I mention her ?

Because she is David Cameron’s wife !!

Well blow me down with a candle how lucky was that!

As for electric cars , the theory is great but the cost to the environment to manufacture is not great.

Look into battery disposal and that’s a whole new can of worms. We don’t have the disposal options on a big enough scale.

Boris running ahead as usual. Never the detail from him just appalling.

Now you’re just rolling around a bunch of different new topics - why are you mentioning Boris and battery disposal eh ???!!?? - as usual when your argument falls to pieces. As you sarcastically said above “solar energy, great idea in the UK” then oops turns out we are really good at it.

Maybe you have a little parochial view from rainy Manchester but it’s been sunny all day here, think you need to broaden your horizons "

What makes the UK really good at solar energy, Is it the long hours of high angle sunlight we get?

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"

....

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

You should read your posts and date check them before posting.

10million homes by 2020 ??

The number is 1-1.4million today so no where near expectations.

Whilst they are very good for the environment they are subsidised right now and so popular. If the subsidy drops the uptake will drop.

Wind farms became popular due to the generous grants. David Cameron agreed to double these grants when he came to power. What a nice man.

At the sam time the Sheffield estate in North Lincolnshire put up an extra 60 or so turbines.

Their daughter was delighted for them. Why do I mention her ?

Because she is David Cameron’s wife !!

Well blow me down with a candle how lucky was that!

As for electric cars , the theory is great but the cost to the environment to manufacture is not great.

Look into battery disposal and that’s a whole new can of worms. We don’t have the disposal options on a big enough scale.

Boris running ahead as usual. Never the detail from him just appalling.

Now you’re just rolling around a bunch of different new topics - why are you mentioning Boris and battery disposal eh ???!!?? - as usual when your argument falls to pieces. As you sarcastically said above “solar energy, great idea in the UK” then oops turns out we are really good at it.

Maybe you have a little parochial view from rainy Manchester but it’s been sunny all day here, think you need to broaden your horizons

What makes the UK really good at solar energy, Is it the long hours of high angle sunlight we get?"

As I mentioned above, solar panels (cells) work better at lower temperatures so it’s a trade off between sun intensity and temperature.

Anything else I can help you with?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

....

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

You should read your posts and date check them before posting.

10million homes by 2020 ??

The number is 1-1.4million today so no where near expectations.

Whilst they are very good for the environment they are subsidised right now and so popular. If the subsidy drops the uptake will drop.

Wind farms became popular due to the generous grants. David Cameron agreed to double these grants when he came to power. What a nice man.

At the sam time the Sheffield estate in North Lincolnshire put up an extra 60 or so turbines.

Their daughter was delighted for them. Why do I mention her ?

Because she is David Cameron’s wife !!

Well blow me down with a candle how lucky was that!

As for electric cars , the theory is great but the cost to the environment to manufacture is not great.

Look into battery disposal and that’s a whole new can of worms. We don’t have the disposal options on a big enough scale.

Boris running ahead as usual. Never the detail from him just appalling.

Now you’re just rolling around a bunch of different new topics - why are you mentioning Boris and battery disposal eh ???!!?? - as usual when your argument falls to pieces. As you sarcastically said above “solar energy, great idea in the UK” then oops turns out we are really good at it.

Maybe you have a little parochial view from rainy Manchester but it’s been sunny all day here, think you need to broaden your horizons

What makes the UK really good at solar energy, Is it the long hours of high angle sunlight we get?

As I mentioned above, solar panels (cells) work better at lower temperatures so it’s a trade off between sun intensity and temperature.

Anything else I can help you with?"

Haha, can you copy and paste something that proves that, then I will copy and paste something that disproves it

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"

....

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

You should read your posts and date check them before posting.

10million homes by 2020 ??

The number is 1-1.4million today so no where near expectations.

Whilst they are very good for the environment they are subsidised right now and so popular. If the subsidy drops the uptake will drop.

Wind farms became popular due to the generous grants. David Cameron agreed to double these grants when he came to power. What a nice man.

At the sam time the Sheffield estate in North Lincolnshire put up an extra 60 or so turbines.

Their daughter was delighted for them. Why do I mention her ?

Because she is David Cameron’s wife !!

Well blow me down with a candle how lucky was that!

As for electric cars , the theory is great but the cost to the environment to manufacture is not great.

Look into battery disposal and that’s a whole new can of worms. We don’t have the disposal options on a big enough scale.

Boris running ahead as usual. Never the detail from him just appalling.

Now you’re just rolling around a bunch of different new topics - why are you mentioning Boris and battery disposal eh ???!!?? - as usual when your argument falls to pieces. As you sarcastically said above “solar energy, great idea in the UK” then oops turns out we are really good at it.

Maybe you have a little parochial view from rainy Manchester but it’s been sunny all day here, think you need to broaden your horizons "

Fucking hell mate you make me laugh so please keep posting.

You don’t understand permits

You don’t understand the economics of logistics revolving around those said logistics permits.

Vertical farms won’t generate enough food to make any significant changes for decades.

Your last post was 9 million houses out and was blatantly wrong so please feel free to admit it anytime.

The comments on alternative fuels like wind turbines are partly in response to your comments above on the need for carbon fuel reduction and alternative fuels. Can you remember that copy and paste?

If you look closely I didn’t actually mention how good we are regarding solar panels. . That was another poster! FFS

As for the Manchester slant I mentioned above I’m from Lincolnshire so pay attention.

You must have a side line in comedy. Did you apply for the baddies in home alone?. I bet it was close.

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"

....

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

You should read your posts and date check them before posting.

10million homes by 2020 ??

The number is 1-1.4million today so no where near expectations.

Whilst they are very good for the environment they are subsidised right now and so popular. If the subsidy drops the uptake will drop.

Wind farms became popular due to the generous grants. David Cameron agreed to double these grants when he came to power. What a nice man.

At the sam time the Sheffield estate in North Lincolnshire put up an extra 60 or so turbines.

Their daughter was delighted for them. Why do I mention her ?

Because she is David Cameron’s wife !!

Well blow me down with a candle how lucky was that!

As for electric cars , the theory is great but the cost to the environment to manufacture is not great.

Look into battery disposal and that’s a whole new can of worms. We don’t have the disposal options on a big enough scale.

Boris running ahead as usual. Never the detail from him just appalling.

Now you’re just rolling around a bunch of different new topics - why are you mentioning Boris and battery disposal eh ???!!?? - as usual when your argument falls to pieces. As you sarcastically said above “solar energy, great idea in the UK” then oops turns out we are really good at it.

Maybe you have a little parochial view from rainy Manchester but it’s been sunny all day here, think you need to broaden your horizons

What makes the UK really good at solar energy, Is it the long hours of high angle sunlight we get?

As I mentioned above, solar panels (cells) work better at lower temperatures so it’s a trade off between sun intensity and temperature.

Anything else I can help you with?

Haha, can you copy and paste something that proves that, then I will copy and paste something that disproves it "

“Solar cell performance decreases with increasing temperature, fundamentally owing to increased internal carrier recombination rates, caused by increased carrier concentrations.”

Or from MIT, I mean they’re probably not functioning at your intellectual level but not a bad paper from a bunch of amateurs:

“Using an AM1.5 G solar simulator at 973 W/m 2 we took the I-V curve of each of the three cells at increasing temperatures. We used the I-V curve to find the maximum power and determine the efficiency of each cell with respect to temperature. We found that the CIS cell had an efficiency of 10% and the performance decreased with respect to temperature in a non-linear manner. “

Your chances of disproving this well known scientific phenomena (caused by increased internal carrier recombination rates, from increased carrier concentrations) are not high but have a crack give us all a laugh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

....

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

You should read your posts and date check them before posting.

10million homes by 2020 ??

The number is 1-1.4million today so no where near expectations.

Whilst they are very good for the environment they are subsidised right now and so popular. If the subsidy drops the uptake will drop.

Wind farms became popular due to the generous grants. David Cameron agreed to double these grants when he came to power. What a nice man.

At the sam time the Sheffield estate in North Lincolnshire put up an extra 60 or so turbines.

Their daughter was delighted for them. Why do I mention her ?

Because she is David Cameron’s wife !!

Well blow me down with a candle how lucky was that!

As for electric cars , the theory is great but the cost to the environment to manufacture is not great.

Look into battery disposal and that’s a whole new can of worms. We don’t have the disposal options on a big enough scale.

Boris running ahead as usual. Never the detail from him just appalling.

Now you’re just rolling around a bunch of different new topics - why are you mentioning Boris and battery disposal eh ???!!?? - as usual when your argument falls to pieces. As you sarcastically said above “solar energy, great idea in the UK” then oops turns out we are really good at it.

Maybe you have a little parochial view from rainy Manchester but it’s been sunny all day here, think you need to broaden your horizons

What makes the UK really good at solar energy, Is it the long hours of high angle sunlight we get?

As I mentioned above, solar panels (cells) work better at lower temperatures so it’s a trade off between sun intensity and temperature.

Anything else I can help you with?

Haha, can you copy and paste something that proves that, then I will copy and paste something that disproves it

“Solar cell performance decreases with increasing temperature, fundamentally owing to increased internal carrier recombination rates, caused by increased carrier concentrations.”

Or from MIT, I mean they’re probably not functioning at your intellectual level but not a bad paper from a bunch of amateurs:

“Using an AM1.5 G solar simulator at 973 W/m 2 we took the I-V curve of each of the three cells at increasing temperatures. We used the I-V curve to find the maximum power and determine the efficiency of each cell with respect to temperature. We found that the CIS cell had an efficiency of 10% and the performance decreased with respect to temperature in a non-linear manner. “

Your chances of disproving this well known scientific phenomena (caused by increased internal carrier recombination rates, from increased carrier concentrations) are not high but have a crack give us all a laugh "

Thanks for doing what i told you to do

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"

....

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

You should read your posts and date check them before posting.

10million homes by 2020 ??

The number is 1-1.4million today so no where near expectations.

Whilst they are very good for the environment they are subsidised right now and so popular. If the subsidy drops the uptake will drop.

Wind farms became popular due to the generous grants. David Cameron agreed to double these grants when he came to power. What a nice man.

At the sam time the Sheffield estate in North Lincolnshire put up an extra 60 or so turbines.

Their daughter was delighted for them. Why do I mention her ?

Because she is David Cameron’s wife !!

Well blow me down with a candle how lucky was that!

As for electric cars , the theory is great but the cost to the environment to manufacture is not great.

Look into battery disposal and that’s a whole new can of worms. We don’t have the disposal options on a big enough scale.

Boris running ahead as usual. Never the detail from him just appalling.

Now you’re just rolling around a bunch of different new topics - why are you mentioning Boris and battery disposal eh ???!!?? - as usual when your argument falls to pieces. As you sarcastically said above “solar energy, great idea in the UK” then oops turns out we are really good at it.

Maybe you have a little parochial view from rainy Manchester but it’s been sunny all day here, think you need to broaden your horizons

What makes the UK really good at solar energy, Is it the long hours of high angle sunlight we get?

As I mentioned above, solar panels (cells) work better at lower temperatures so it’s a trade off between sun intensity and temperature.

Anything else I can help you with?

Haha, can you copy and paste something that proves that, then I will copy and paste something that disproves it

“Solar cell performance decreases with increasing temperature, fundamentally owing to increased internal carrier recombination rates, caused by increased carrier concentrations.”

Or from MIT, I mean they’re probably not functioning at your intellectual level but not a bad paper from a bunch of amateurs:

“Using an AM1.5 G solar simulator at 973 W/m 2 we took the I-V curve of each of the three cells at increasing temperatures. We used the I-V curve to find the maximum power and determine the efficiency of each cell with respect to temperature. We found that the CIS cell had an efficiency of 10% and the performance decreased with respect to temperature in a non-linear manner. “

Your chances of disproving this well known scientific phenomena (caused by increased internal carrier recombination rates, from increased carrier concentrations) are not high but have a crack give us all a laugh

Thanks for doing what i told you to do "

Hopefully you learned a few things today

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

....

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

You should read your posts and date check them before posting.

10million homes by 2020 ??

The number is 1-1.4million today so no where near expectations.

Whilst they are very good for the environment they are subsidised right now and so popular. If the subsidy drops the uptake will drop.

Wind farms became popular due to the generous grants. David Cameron agreed to double these grants when he came to power. What a nice man.

At the sam time the Sheffield estate in North Lincolnshire put up an extra 60 or so turbines.

Their daughter was delighted for them. Why do I mention her ?

Because she is David Cameron’s wife !!

Well blow me down with a candle how lucky was that!

As for electric cars , the theory is great but the cost to the environment to manufacture is not great.

Look into battery disposal and that’s a whole new can of worms. We don’t have the disposal options on a big enough scale.

Boris running ahead as usual. Never the detail from him just appalling.

Now you’re just rolling around a bunch of different new topics - why are you mentioning Boris and battery disposal eh ???!!?? - as usual when your argument falls to pieces. As you sarcastically said above “solar energy, great idea in the UK” then oops turns out we are really good at it.

Maybe you have a little parochial view from rainy Manchester but it’s been sunny all day here, think you need to broaden your horizons

What makes the UK really good at solar energy, Is it the long hours of high angle sunlight we get?

As I mentioned above, solar panels (cells) work better at lower temperatures so it’s a trade off between sun intensity and temperature.

Anything else I can help you with?

Haha, can you copy and paste something that proves that, then I will copy and paste something that disproves it

“Solar cell performance decreases with increasing temperature, fundamentally owing to increased internal carrier recombination rates, caused by increased carrier concentrations.”

Or from MIT, I mean they’re probably not functioning at your intellectual level but not a bad paper from a bunch of amateurs:

“Using an AM1.5 G solar simulator at 973 W/m 2 we took the I-V curve of each of the three cells at increasing temperatures. We used the I-V curve to find the maximum power and determine the efficiency of each cell with respect to temperature. We found that the CIS cell had an efficiency of 10% and the performance decreased with respect to temperature in a non-linear manner. “

Your chances of disproving this well known scientific phenomena (caused by increased internal carrier recombination rates, from increased carrier concentrations) are not high but have a crack give us all a laugh

Thanks for doing what i told you to do

Hopefully you learned a few things today"

I certainly have, don’t believe everything you copy abs past from the internet

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"

....

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

You should read your posts and date check them before posting.

10million homes by 2020 ??

The number is 1-1.4million today so no where near expectations.

Whilst they are very good for the environment they are subsidised right now and so popular. If the subsidy drops the uptake will drop.

Wind farms became popular due to the generous grants. David Cameron agreed to double these grants when he came to power. What a nice man.

At the sam time the Sheffield estate in North Lincolnshire put up an extra 60 or so turbines.

Their daughter was delighted for them. Why do I mention her ?

Because she is David Cameron’s wife !!

Well blow me down with a candle how lucky was that!

As for electric cars , the theory is great but the cost to the environment to manufacture is not great.

Look into battery disposal and that’s a whole new can of worms. We don’t have the disposal options on a big enough scale.

Boris running ahead as usual. Never the detail from him just appalling.

Now you’re just rolling around a bunch of different new topics - why are you mentioning Boris and battery disposal eh ???!!?? - as usual when your argument falls to pieces. As you sarcastically said above “solar energy, great idea in the UK” then oops turns out we are really good at it.

Maybe you have a little parochial view from rainy Manchester but it’s been sunny all day here, think you need to broaden your horizons

Fucking hell mate you make me laugh so please keep posting.

You don’t understand permits

You don’t understand the economics of logistics revolving around those said logistics permits.

Vertical farms won’t generate enough food to make any significant changes for decades.

Your last post was 9 million houses out and was blatantly wrong so please feel free to admit it anytime.

The comments on alternative fuels like wind turbines are partly in response to your comments above on the need for carbon fuel reduction and alternative fuels. Can you remember that copy and paste?

If you look closely I didn’t actually mention how good we are regarding solar panels. . That was another poster! FFS

As for the Manchester slant I mentioned above I’m from Lincolnshire so pay attention.

You must have a side line in comedy. Did you apply for the baddies in home alone?. I bet it was close.

"

I was replying to the other Mancunian in this thread, I’d forgotten about you tbh

What was your question again?

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad.

Oranges from S Africa? 12 hour flight away? Yes mate dont you ever look at what you are buying in the supermarket?

No, getting oranges from S Africa isn’t very good for the environment, Thats true cant disagree with you there so you really should pay more attention to where they came from.You are probably buying s african oranges especially in july and august and thinking they are from the eu. You have already told us you make sure your cloths are made in italy maybe you should be as diligent with your food.

I was in Aldi earlier and bought some lovely banana's. They are excellent and come from Ecuador

There is an EU-Ecuador free trade and technical agreement. So it was easy to get them here. Whole load of import cost and requirements going to be needed from January "

Incorrect as the UK has a trade agreement with Ecuador in place ready for 1st of January. It's focused on ensuring we trade with them as freely as we do now

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Plenty of r&pe seed growers wont be growing that anymore as it is not profitable since the pesticides they use has been found to harm the bee population so is now banned.

Oranges we can get them from S africa we have done anyway when the eu said we can so its just a case of buying more from them .Im sure the growers in spain will be over the moon as will all the growers in almeria with their salad.

Oranges from S Africa? 12 hour flight away? Yes mate dont you ever look at what you are buying in the supermarket?

No, getting oranges from S Africa isn’t very good for the environment, Thats true cant disagree with you there so you really should pay more attention to where they came from.You are probably buying s african oranges especially in july and august and thinking they are from the eu. You have already told us you make sure your cloths are made in italy maybe you should be as diligent with your food.

I was in Aldi earlier and bought some lovely banana's. They are excellent and come from Ecuador

There is an EU-Ecuador free trade and technical agreement. So it was easy to get them here. Whole load of import cost and requirements going to be needed from January

Incorrect as the UK has a trade agreement with Ecuador in place ready for 1st of January. It's focused on ensuring we trade with them as freely as we do now"

Good point

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"

....

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

You should read your posts and date check them before posting.

10million homes by 2020 ??

The number is 1-1.4million today so no where near expectations.

Whilst they are very good for the environment they are subsidised right now and so popular. If the subsidy drops the uptake will drop.

Wind farms became popular due to the generous grants. David Cameron agreed to double these grants when he came to power. What a nice man.

At the sam time the Sheffield estate in North Lincolnshire put up an extra 60 or so turbines.

Their daughter was delighted for them. Why do I mention her ?

Because she is David Cameron’s wife !!

Well blow me down with a candle how lucky was that!

As for electric cars , the theory is great but the cost to the environment to manufacture is not great.

Look into battery disposal and that’s a whole new can of worms. We don’t have the disposal options on a big enough scale.

Boris running ahead as usual. Never the detail from him just appalling.

Now you’re just rolling around a bunch of different new topics - why are you mentioning Boris and battery disposal eh ???!!?? - as usual when your argument falls to pieces. As you sarcastically said above “solar energy, great idea in the UK” then oops turns out we are really good at it.

Maybe you have a little parochial view from rainy Manchester but it’s been sunny all day here, think you need to broaden your horizons

Fucking hell mate you make me laugh so please keep posting.

You don’t understand permits

You don’t understand the economics of logistics revolving around those said logistics permits.

Vertical farms won’t generate enough food to make any significant changes for decades.

Your last post was 9 million houses out and was blatantly wrong so please feel free to admit it anytime.

The comments on alternative fuels like wind turbines are partly in response to your comments above on the need for carbon fuel reduction and alternative fuels. Can you remember that copy and paste?

If you look closely I didn’t actually mention how good we are regarding solar panels. . That was another poster! FFS

As for the Manchester slant I mentioned above I’m from Lincolnshire so pay attention.

You must have a side line in comedy. Did you apply for the baddies in home alone?. I bet it was close.

I was replying to the other Mancunian in this thread, I’d forgotten about you tbh

What was your question again?"

Deflecting from your failures won’t hide how crap your posts were. Everyone has read them so bask in the limelight of how abysmal your argument was.

We all make mistakes on here and most of us admit them but you take it to another special level of incompetence. Then run away!!

Happy for you to forget about me if it stops you feeling so insecure. Don’t want you to get depressed before Christmas.

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"

....

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

You should read your posts and date check them before posting.

10million homes by 2020 ??

The number is 1-1.4million today so no where near expectations.

Whilst they are very good for the environment they are subsidised right now and so popular. If the subsidy drops the uptake will drop.

Wind farms became popular due to the generous grants. David Cameron agreed to double these grants when he came to power. What a nice man.

At the sam time the Sheffield estate in North Lincolnshire put up an extra 60 or so turbines.

Their daughter was delighted for them. Why do I mention her ?

Because she is David Cameron’s wife !!

Well blow me down with a candle how lucky was that!

As for electric cars , the theory is great but the cost to the environment to manufacture is not great.

Look into battery disposal and that’s a whole new can of worms. We don’t have the disposal options on a big enough scale.

Boris running ahead as usual. Never the detail from him just appalling.

Now you’re just rolling around a bunch of different new topics - why are you mentioning Boris and battery disposal eh ???!!?? - as usual when your argument falls to pieces. As you sarcastically said above “solar energy, great idea in the UK” then oops turns out we are really good at it.

Maybe you have a little parochial view from rainy Manchester but it’s been sunny all day here, think you need to broaden your horizons

Fucking hell mate you make me laugh so please keep posting.

You don’t understand permits

You don’t understand the economics of logistics revolving around those said logistics permits.

Vertical farms won’t generate enough food to make any significant changes for decades.

Your last post was 9 million houses out and was blatantly wrong so please feel free to admit it anytime.

The comments on alternative fuels like wind turbines are partly in response to your comments above on the need for carbon fuel reduction and alternative fuels. Can you remember that copy and paste?

If you look closely I didn’t actually mention how good we are regarding solar panels. . That was another poster! FFS

As for the Manchester slant I mentioned above I’m from Lincolnshire so pay attention.

You must have a side line in comedy. Did you apply for the baddies in home alone?. I bet it was close.

I was replying to the other Mancunian in this thread, I’d forgotten about you tbh

What was your question again?

Deflecting from your failures won’t hide how crap your posts were. Everyone has read them so bask in the limelight of how abysmal your argument was.

We all make mistakes on here and most of us admit them but you take it to another special level of incompetence. Then run away!!

Happy for you to forget about me if it stops you feeling so insecure. Don’t want you to get depressed before Christmas.

"

A compelling argument lol

Too many inconvenient truths for you?

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"

....

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

You should read your posts and date check them before posting.

10million homes by 2020 ??

The number is 1-1.4million today so no where near expectations.

Whilst they are very good for the environment they are subsidised right now and so popular. If the subsidy drops the uptake will drop.

Wind farms became popular due to the generous grants. David Cameron agreed to double these grants when he came to power. What a nice man.

At the sam time the Sheffield estate in North Lincolnshire put up an extra 60 or so turbines.

Their daughter was delighted for them. Why do I mention her ?

Because she is David Cameron’s wife !!

Well blow me down with a candle how lucky was that!

As for electric cars , the theory is great but the cost to the environment to manufacture is not great.

Look into battery disposal and that’s a whole new can of worms. We don’t have the disposal options on a big enough scale.

Boris running ahead as usual. Never the detail from him just appalling.

Now you’re just rolling around a bunch of different new topics - why are you mentioning Boris and battery disposal eh ???!!?? - as usual when your argument falls to pieces. As you sarcastically said above “solar energy, great idea in the UK” then oops turns out we are really good at it.

Maybe you have a little parochial view from rainy Manchester but it’s been sunny all day here, think you need to broaden your horizons

Fucking hell mate you make me laugh so please keep posting.

You don’t understand permits

You don’t understand the economics of logistics revolving around those said logistics permits.

Vertical farms won’t generate enough food to make any significant changes for decades.

Your last post was 9 million houses out and was blatantly wrong so please feel free to admit it anytime.

The comments on alternative fuels like wind turbines are partly in response to your comments above on the need for carbon fuel reduction and alternative fuels. Can you remember that copy and paste?

If you look closely I didn’t actually mention how good we are regarding solar panels. . That was another poster! FFS

As for the Manchester slant I mentioned above I’m from Lincolnshire so pay attention.

You must have a side line in comedy. Did you apply for the baddies in home alone?. I bet it was close.

I was replying to the other Mancunian in this thread, I’d forgotten about you tbh

What was your question again?

Deflecting from your failures won’t hide how crap your posts were. Everyone has read them so bask in the limelight of how abysmal your argument was.

We all make mistakes on here and most of us admit them but you take it to another special level of incompetence. Then run away!!

Happy for you to forget about me if it stops you feeling so insecure. Don’t want you to get depressed before Christmas.

A compelling argument lol

Too many inconvenient truths for you? "

* Please feel free to explain your incorrect statement on 10 million homes which was actually 1 -no answer

* Again show me the statistics we all asked regarding feeding the nation with vertical farms - no answer

Explain your knowledge on how haulage permits work -No answer

* my response to you lowering carbons which you forgot you copied and pasted -no answer

Just answer any of the above to explain where your so called inconvenient truths are?

You are incapable of sticking to your arguments because you literally have no idea what you’re talking about .

So when you’re challenged you write childish rambling nonsense to make yourself feel better.

Trying to score pints with empty comments just makes you look even more incompetent but carry on digging that hole.

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"

....

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

You should read your posts and date check them before posting.

10million homes by 2020 ??

The number is 1-1.4million today so no where near expectations.

Whilst they are very good for the environment they are subsidised right now and so popular. If the subsidy drops the uptake will drop.

Wind farms became popular due to the generous grants. David Cameron agreed to double these grants when he came to power. What a nice man.

At the sam time the Sheffield estate in North Lincolnshire put up an extra 60 or so turbines.

Their daughter was delighted for them. Why do I mention her ?

Because she is David Cameron’s wife !!

Well blow me down with a candle how lucky was that!

As for electric cars , the theory is great but the cost to the environment to manufacture is not great.

Look into battery disposal and that’s a whole new can of worms. We don’t have the disposal options on a big enough scale.

Boris running ahead as usual. Never the detail from him just appalling.

Now you’re just rolling around a bunch of different new topics - why are you mentioning Boris and battery disposal eh ???!!?? - as usual when your argument falls to pieces. As you sarcastically said above “solar energy, great idea in the UK” then oops turns out we are really good at it.

Maybe you have a little parochial view from rainy Manchester but it’s been sunny all day here, think you need to broaden your horizons

Fucking hell mate you make me laugh so please keep posting.

You don’t understand permits

You don’t understand the economics of logistics revolving around those said logistics permits.

Vertical farms won’t generate enough food to make any significant changes for decades.

Your last post was 9 million houses out and was blatantly wrong so please feel free to admit it anytime.

The comments on alternative fuels like wind turbines are partly in response to your comments above on the need for carbon fuel reduction and alternative fuels. Can you remember that copy and paste?

If you look closely I didn’t actually mention how good we are regarding solar panels. . That was another poster! FFS

As for the Manchester slant I mentioned above I’m from Lincolnshire so pay attention.

You must have a side line in comedy. Did you apply for the baddies in home alone?. I bet it was close.

I was replying to the other Mancunian in this thread, I’d forgotten about you tbh

What was your question again?

Deflecting from your failures won’t hide how crap your posts were. Everyone has read them so bask in the limelight of how abysmal your argument was.

We all make mistakes on here and most of us admit them but you take it to another special level of incompetence. Then run away!!

Happy for you to forget about me if it stops you feeling so insecure. Don’t want you to get depressed before Christmas.

A compelling argument lol

Too many inconvenient truths for you?

* Please feel free to explain your incorrect statement on 10 million homes which was actually 1 -no answer

* Again show me the statistics we all asked regarding feeding the nation with vertical farms - no answer

Explain your knowledge on how haulage permits work -No answer

* my response to you lowering carbons which you forgot you copied and pasted -no answer

Just answer any of the above to explain where your so called inconvenient truths are?

You are incapable of sticking to your arguments because you literally have no idea what you’re talking about .

So when you’re challenged you write childish rambling nonsense to make yourself feel better.

Trying to score pints with empty comments just makes you look even more incompetent but carry on digging that hole.

"

I made one typo in the entire thread and you’ve made two in one post lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

....

Hahaha, good one. You mentioned that these vertical farms will be powered by renewable energy? Which type do you mean?

In their current locations probably solar and local micro generation capabilities.

But you probably believe electric cars are the devils work as well.

I like electric cars, solar energy in the UK, great idea

As I say, childishly easy to debate with you:

“ If you asked someone from Southern Europe, say sunny Spain, to name a few European countries where solar energy is used extensively, the UK would probably not be at the top of their list. And, if you told them the country is actually fourth in terms of photovoltaic systems installed, one place above Spain, there is a strong chance that they would laugh at you. How could the rainy, gloomy United Kingdom be installing more solar panels than the country with the best solar potential in Europe? And yet, the figures keep growing, and the future seems bright.

The Numbers

Last year alone, solar power in the UK almost doubled. New installations in homes, workplaces and solar farms amounted to a total of 709,000 installations. Experts believe that 10 million homes should be equipped by 2020, which means that more than one third of households would be utilising solar energy and up to 40% of the total volume of electricity would be generated from the sun during summer.

Today, the number is still around 1.5 million houses, but it’s easy to see how fast the numbers are growing: the gigawatts of solar panels installed went from 2.8 to almost 5 between 2013 and 2014, and the 5GW threshold was surpassed in 2015.

The UK is installing solar panels faster than any other European country, and solar seems to be one of the most popular forms of energy generation with 80% support from the public, despite the weather conditions. Surprisingly, the country’s temperatures can make the panels more efficient, while clouds are not a problem for electricity production.”

Every days a school day eh?

You should read your posts and date check them before posting.

10million homes by 2020 ??

The number is 1-1.4million today so no where near expectations.

Whilst they are very good for the environment they are subsidised right now and so popular. If the subsidy drops the uptake will drop.

Wind farms became popular due to the generous grants. David Cameron agreed to double these grants when he came to power. What a nice man.

At the sam time the Sheffield estate in North Lincolnshire put up an extra 60 or so turbines.

Their daughter was delighted for them. Why do I mention her ?

Because she is David Cameron’s wife !!

Well blow me down with a candle how lucky was that!

As for electric cars , the theory is great but the cost to the environment to manufacture is not great.

Look into battery disposal and that’s a whole new can of worms. We don’t have the disposal options on a big enough scale.

Boris running ahead as usual. Never the detail from him just appalling.

Now you’re just rolling around a bunch of different new topics - why are you mentioning Boris and battery disposal eh ???!!?? - as usual when your argument falls to pieces. As you sarcastically said above “solar energy, great idea in the UK” then oops turns out we are really good at it.

Maybe you have a little parochial view from rainy Manchester but it’s been sunny all day here, think you need to broaden your horizons

Fucking hell mate you make me laugh so please keep posting.

You don’t understand permits

You don’t understand the economics of logistics revolving around those said logistics permits.

Vertical farms won’t generate enough food to make any significant changes for decades.

Your last post was 9 million houses out and was blatantly wrong so please feel free to admit it anytime.

The comments on alternative fuels like wind turbines are partly in response to your comments above on the need for carbon fuel reduction and alternative fuels. Can you remember that copy and paste?

If you look closely I didn’t actually mention how good we are regarding solar panels. . That was another poster! FFS

As for the Manchester slant I mentioned above I’m from Lincolnshire so pay attention.

You must have a side line in comedy. Did you apply for the baddies in home alone?. I bet it was close.

I was replying to the other Mancunian in this thread, I’d forgotten about you tbh

What was your question again?

Deflecting from your failures won’t hide how crap your posts were. Everyone has read them so bask in the limelight of how abysmal your argument was.

We all make mistakes on here and most of us admit them but you take it to another special level of incompetence. Then run away!!

Happy for you to forget about me if it stops you feeling so insecure. Don’t want you to get depressed before Christmas.

A compelling argument lol

Too many inconvenient truths for you?

* Please feel free to explain your incorrect statement on 10 million homes which was actually 1 -no answer

* Again show me the statistics we all asked regarding feeding the nation with vertical farms - no answer

Explain your knowledge on how haulage permits work -No answer

* my response to you lowering carbons which you forgot you copied and pasted -no answer

Just answer any of the above to explain where your so called inconvenient truths are?

You are incapable of sticking to your arguments because you literally have no idea what you’re talking about .

So when you’re challenged you write childish rambling nonsense to make yourself feel better.

Trying to score pints with empty comments just makes you look even more incompetent but carry on digging that hole.

I made one typo in the entire thread and you’ve made two in one post lol."

you haven't answered any of his questions either! lol.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris. "

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol? "

This thread was more fun when you were showing off about how much you don't know about vertical farming.

Can we get back to that?

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

This thread was more fun when you were showing off about how much you don't know about vertical farming.

Can we get back to that?

"

There’s no shame in admitting you’ve learnt a few things and had your prejudices tackled you know.

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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago

northeast


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

You haven’t got a clue what you are talking about have you?

We import food precisely because we can’t grow enough food.

A large percentage of growing you see in tne U.K. is industrial crops for the chemical industry.

Long term contracts that those large pension fund farms that won’t be turning to cabbages unless you see the price of a cabbage go above £20

Do you actually bother checking what you’re writing about before you post?

Have you seen many orange groves round you way lately ? Are we going to be growing those too?

Oh and I need international trucks not U.K. only trucks so it won’t help me no matter how hard they bang on the door .

Ah you’re not aware of vertical farms:

“ also known as vertical farming, controlled environment production (CEP) is indoor farming, growing delicious and high quality food whilst minimising environmental impact.

our first farm, Unit 84, was the UK’s first commercial-scale vertical farm, growing award-winning fresh salads, herbs and farming fish, which we delivered by electric van to restaurants and shops across London. “

There’s quite a few being built on a large scale in Lincolnshire now including for Oranges.

You’ve answered your own question anyway, 30 years ago we produced more than 71% of our own food in the UK, currently we are wasting land for “industrial” crops as you put it purely because of some daft EU subsidy scheme. "

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By *ucianpoundCouple
over a year ago

Cap d’Agde, France

OP what a ridiculous statement.

The EU brexit position has hardly changed in the last four years whereas the UK has constantly moved its red lines.

Just look at their ‘caving in’ on fisheries not to mention leaving part of the kingdom in the EU putting a border in the Irish Sea.

The only cards the UK hold are numbered 2 to 10!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

This thread was more fun when you were showing off about how much you don't know about vertical farming.

Can we get back to that?

There’s no shame in admitting you’ve learnt a few things and had your prejudices tackled you know."

Literally the only thing I've learned. Is that you don't understand vertical farms.

It's been fun.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol? "

Ha ha ha

Feel to show me any post where I’ve mentioned Ecuador!! Again wrong poster.

You crack me up with your mistakes!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

Ha ha ha

Feel to show me any post where I’ve mentioned Ecuador!! Again wrong poster.

You crack me up with your mistakes! "

Diagonal rhubarb farms!

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

Ha ha ha

Feel to show me any post where I’ve mentioned Ecuador!! Again wrong poster.

You crack me up with your mistakes!

Diagonal rhubarb farms!"

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

This thread was more fun when you were showing off about how much you don't know about vertical farming.

Can we get back to that?

There’s no shame in admitting you’ve learnt a few things and had your prejudices tackled you know.

Literally the only thing I've learned. Is that you don't understand vertical farms.

It's been fun."
tbf iv never heard of vertical farming before and I have an allotment lol but amazing how many experts on a swingers site even fishing the amount of experts on that aswell google helps o suppose lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

This thread was more fun when you were showing off about how much you don't know about vertical farming.

Can we get back to that?

There’s no shame in admitting you’ve learnt a few things and had your prejudices tackled you know.

Literally the only thing I've learned. Is that you don't understand vertical farms.

It's been fun.tbf iv never heard of vertical farming before and I have an allotment lol but amazing how many experts on a swingers site even fishing the amount of experts on that aswell google helps o suppose lol"

Vertical farms are good for small scale growing. Like layers of an allotment on shelves in a huge hydrophonic greenhouse. But they cost a shit load to build, maintain and use. Even on a small scale.

Just so happens to be something I have knowledge in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" but amazing how many experts on a swingers site even fishing the amount of experts on that aswell google helps o suppose lol"

Are you really of the belief the only way people

Garner knowledge is due to Google ?

11+ years of schooling , a lifetime of watching

News & history , of listening & watching people

Doing what they do .

So sad that the nay sayers have such little life

Experience

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

This thread was more fun when you were showing off about how much you don't know about vertical farming.

Can we get back to that?

There’s no shame in admitting you’ve learnt a few things and had your prejudices tackled you know.

Literally the only thing I've learned. Is that you don't understand vertical farms.

It's been fun.tbf iv never heard of vertical farming before and I have an allotment lol but amazing how many experts on a swingers site even fishing the amount of experts on that aswell google helps o suppose lol

Vertical farms are good for small scale growing. Like layers of an allotment on shelves in a huge hydrophonic greenhouse. But they cost a shit load to build, maintain and use. Even on a small scale.

Just so happens to be something I have knowledge in.

"
so yr opinion carry’s weight bud but I doubt most others know much about it really still an interesting subject but most I can gather in here is great idea but not cost efficient am I right or wrong ?

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke


"

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this. "

They do know it.

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

This thread was more fun when you were showing off about how much you don't know about vertical farming.

Can we get back to that?

There’s no shame in admitting you’ve learnt a few things and had your prejudices tackled you know.

Literally the only thing I've learned. Is that you don't understand vertical farms.

It's been fun.tbf iv never heard of vertical farming before and I have an allotment lol but amazing how many experts on a swingers site even fishing the amount of experts on that aswell google helps o suppose lol

Vertical farms are good for small scale growing. Like layers of an allotment on shelves in a huge hydrophonic greenhouse. But they cost a shit load to build, maintain and use. Even on a small scale.

Just so happens to be something I have knowledge in.

so yr opinion carry’s weight bud but I doubt most others know much about it really still an interesting subject but most I can gather in here is great idea but not cost efficient am I right or wrong ?"

Currently it’s cost efficient for nutrient dense green salads etc.

As particularly renewable energy costs come down local power supply solutions will increase the efficiency for other crops.

The moaning naysayers ITT are just Luddites with no perception of how technology develops over time.

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

They do know it. "

Seeing as the whole of Europe has been criticising France for stopping cross boarder trade the penny might finally have dropped.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

This thread was more fun when you were showing off about how much you don't know about vertical farming.

Can we get back to that?

There’s no shame in admitting you’ve learnt a few things and had your prejudices tackled you know.

Literally the only thing I've learned. Is that you don't understand vertical farms.

It's been fun.tbf iv never heard of vertical farming before and I have an allotment lol but amazing how many experts on a swingers site even fishing the amount of experts on that aswell google helps o suppose lol

Vertical farms are good for small scale growing. Like layers of an allotment on shelves in a huge hydrophonic greenhouse. But they cost a shit load to build, maintain and use. Even on a small scale.

Just so happens to be something I have knowledge in.

so yr opinion carry’s weight bud but I doubt most others know much about it really still an interesting subject but most I can gather in here is great idea but not cost efficient am I right or wrong ?

Currently it’s cost efficient for nutrient dense green salads etc.

As particularly renewable energy costs come down local power supply solutions will increase the efficiency for other crops.

The moaning naysayers ITT are just Luddites with no perception of how technology develops over time."
that’s good news I’ll keep an eye on this

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

This thread was more fun when you were showing off about how much you don't know about vertical farming.

Can we get back to that?

There’s no shame in admitting you’ve learnt a few things and had your prejudices tackled you know.

Literally the only thing I've learned. Is that you don't understand vertical farms.

It's been fun.tbf iv never heard of vertical farming before and I have an allotment lol but amazing how many experts on a swingers site even fishing the amount of experts on that aswell google helps o suppose lol

Vertical farms are good for small scale growing. Like layers of an allotment on shelves in a huge hydrophonic greenhouse. But they cost a shit load to build, maintain and use. Even on a small scale.

Just so happens to be something I have knowledge in.

"

Doubting your knowledge, seeing as greenhouses are not generally required. Most recent investments have been in more warehouse type structures with entirely artificial LED lighting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

This thread was more fun when you were showing off about how much you don't know about vertical farming.

Can we get back to that?

There’s no shame in admitting you’ve learnt a few things and had your prejudices tackled you know.

Literally the only thing I've learned. Is that you don't understand vertical farms.

It's been fun.tbf iv never heard of vertical farming before and I have an allotment lol but amazing how many experts on a swingers site even fishing the amount of experts on that aswell google helps o suppose lol

Vertical farms are good for small scale growing. Like layers of an allotment on shelves in a huge hydrophonic greenhouse. But they cost a shit load to build, maintain and use. Even on a small scale.

Just so happens to be something I have knowledge in.

so yr opinion carry’s weight bud but I doubt most others know much about it really still an interesting subject but most I can gather in here is great idea but not cost efficient am I right or wrong ?"

It works for certain food types on a small scales. It's helpful as an aid to existing agricultural techniques.

There's an article on New Phytologist called "getting to the roots of aeroponic indoor farming".

Explains how it all works.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

This thread was more fun when you were showing off about how much you don't know about vertical farming.

Can we get back to that?

There’s no shame in admitting you’ve learnt a few things and had your prejudices tackled you know.

Literally the only thing I've learned. Is that you don't understand vertical farms.

It's been fun.tbf iv never heard of vertical farming before and I have an allotment lol but amazing how many experts on a swingers site even fishing the amount of experts on that aswell google helps o suppose lol

Vertical farms are good for small scale growing. Like layers of an allotment on shelves in a huge hydrophonic greenhouse. But they cost a shit load to build, maintain and use. Even on a small scale.

Just so happens to be something I have knowledge in.

Doubting your knowledge, seeing as greenhouses are not generally required. Most recent investments have been in more warehouse type structures with entirely artificial LED lighting. "

"Doubting my knowledge",

I wouldn't have it any other way!

So your pro brexit argument is now hanging on someone you don't know, using a slightly incorrect word to describe the type of building that houses vertical farms!

Excellent.

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

This thread was more fun when you were showing off about how much you don't know about vertical farming.

Can we get back to that?

There’s no shame in admitting you’ve learnt a few things and had your prejudices tackled you know.

Literally the only thing I've learned. Is that you don't understand vertical farms.

It's been fun.tbf iv never heard of vertical farming before and I have an allotment lol but amazing how many experts on a swingers site even fishing the amount of experts on that aswell google helps o suppose lol

Vertical farms are good for small scale growing. Like layers of an allotment on shelves in a huge hydrophonic greenhouse. But they cost a shit load to build, maintain and use. Even on a small scale.

Just so happens to be something I have knowledge in.

Doubting your knowledge, seeing as greenhouses are not generally required. Most recent investments have been in more warehouse type structures with entirely artificial LED lighting.

"Doubting my knowledge",

I wouldn't have it any other way!

So your pro brexit argument is now hanging on someone you don't know, using a slightly incorrect word to describe the type of building that houses vertical farms!

Excellent.

"

No no, you misunderstand. You are just a sideshow distraction compared to my pro Brexit arguments that you’ve been unable to knock down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

This thread was more fun when you were showing off about how much you don't know about vertical farming.

Can we get back to that?

There’s no shame in admitting you’ve learnt a few things and had your prejudices tackled you know.

Literally the only thing I've learned. Is that you don't understand vertical farms.

It's been fun.tbf iv never heard of vertical farming before and I have an allotment lol but amazing how many experts on a swingers site even fishing the amount of experts on that aswell google helps o suppose lol

Vertical farms are good for small scale growing. Like layers of an allotment on shelves in a huge hydrophonic greenhouse. But they cost a shit load to build, maintain and use. Even on a small scale.

Just so happens to be something I have knowledge in.

Doubting your knowledge, seeing as greenhouses are not generally required. Most recent investments have been in more warehouse type structures with entirely artificial LED lighting.

"Doubting my knowledge",

I wouldn't have it any other way!

So your pro brexit argument is now hanging on someone you don't know, using a slightly incorrect word to describe the type of building that houses vertical farms!

Excellent.

No no, you misunderstand. You are just a sideshow distraction compared to my pro Brexit arguments that you’ve been unable to knock down."

I haven't seen any sane pro brexit arguments, from you, or anyone yet.

I'm just here to poke fun at the exponentially more ridiculous nature of the things brexiteers say. Your "we don't need imported food, we can grow it in vertical farms" argument is the most bizarre so far. And that's saying something.

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By *ust some cock suckerMan
over a year ago

Preston


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

This thread was more fun when you were showing off about how much you don't know about vertical farming.

Can we get back to that?

There’s no shame in admitting you’ve learnt a few things and had your prejudices tackled you know.

Literally the only thing I've learned. Is that you don't understand vertical farms.

It's been fun.tbf iv never heard of vertical farming before and I have an allotment lol but amazing how many experts on a swingers site even fishing the amount of experts on that aswell google helps o suppose lol

Vertical farms are good for small scale growing. Like layers of an allotment on shelves in a huge hydrophonic greenhouse. But they cost a shit load to build, maintain and use. Even on a small scale.

Just so happens to be something I have knowledge in.

Doubting your knowledge, seeing as greenhouses are not generally required. Most recent investments have been in more warehouse type structures with entirely artificial LED lighting.

"Doubting my knowledge",

I wouldn't have it any other way!

So your pro brexit argument is now hanging on someone you don't know, using a slightly incorrect word to describe the type of building that houses vertical farms!

Excellent.

No no, you misunderstand. You are just a sideshow distraction compared to my pro Brexit arguments that you’ve been unable to knock down.

I haven't seen any sane pro brexit arguments, from you, or anyone yet.

I'm just here to poke fun at the exponentially more ridiculous nature of the things brexiteers say. Your "we don't need imported food, we can grow it in vertical farms" argument is the most bizarre so far. And that's saying something. "

I'm sure I read that we already grow enough food to feed ourselves then that has changed to we can build vertical tower block farms to do it.... sometime in the future.

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By *aid backMan
over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves. "

No you don't the UK is a net importer of food

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"Predictably as soon as there is a bit of disruption French business and government capitulates and resumes crossings:

“Thousands of lorries that were meant to travel across the English Channel on Monday were told to stay away from Kent ports and HGVs turning up at Dover this morning were greeted with glowing signs saying 'French borders closed' and were turned away.

However, officials in Dover confirmed inbound freight was still coming in, playing down fears of hauliers staying away to avoid being 'marooned'.

The French government has also now released a statement saying that movement between the country and the UK would resume 'within hours'.”

We hold all the cards in Brexit negotiations and they know it. When will Boris and our negotiators realise this.

The inbound freight was mostly food and the hauliers would be sued for non delivery.

Have you ever got the wrong side of a supermarket legal battle?

The exiting trucks are mostly empty retuning home for Christmas. I’m sure some of them who are loaded are panicking over the delays and food rotting.

The protocols are being introduced to test the drivers I believe which everyone is hoping with alleviate the problem. Nobody wants a closed border so don’t get too excited thinking the French are being petulant or giving in.

Those scenarios are in your head.

I know a few hauliers that won’t be coming to the U.K. after Brexit and I also know some U.K. hauliers that won’t be going to Europe either because they have not been given permits to go.

One of the big trailer operators LKW have told us they are editing our supply lists removing the hauliers who no longer want U.K. work.

Watch this space it’s going to be fun.

The hauliers with permits will be taking advantage of their situation and prices will rise.

As soon as those hauliers who’ve said “no” see the others making money they will jump straight back in. We are too important to ignore. Lol if you think Spanish flower growers are gonna stop their exports to Notting Hill and Alderey Edge for example.

Real free trade is coming as the old broken machinery of Brussels collapses.

Ha ha

Look up permits and the lack of them so the only hauliers making money will be foreign and that’s if they can be arsed to come .

Oh and they have limits on permits too so when that kicks in on the 1st January a lot of trucks are banned .

It’s nuts but true .

This definitely wasn’t on the side of the bus.

We have a Dutch hauliers who covers 5-6 loads a week for us. He’s got 3 permits so we have to find someone else to cover 2-3 loads . Prices are going up.

Just listening to Boris and he’s doing his usual economy with the truth.

Quote “only 20% of our freight comes through Dover straight.” So we are fine.

That 20% is true but ask him how much of our food comes through the dover straight as a percentage.

70-80% of our fresh food for your info and that’s serious.

Lying again FFS This government is a disgrace and an embarrassment .

January 1st you will be three permits short. January 2nd hauliers will be beating your door down to do business. And we grow more than enough food here to feed ourselves.

No you don't the UK is a net importer of food "

ssshh this thread is a wonderful example of magic sky thinking.

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

It’s only Dover ffs! Less than 20% of all import/export comes via the accompanied trailer route mainly through Dover.

Perhaps someone in Kent could have a wander down to Manston or Dover & start checking registrations? as in Xmas week I’d hazard a guess very few are British registered going out. They’ll be continental drivers going home for Xmas with a loads or even empty.

So ship the damn stuff unaccompanied like all the non urgent goods (it’s cheaper too).

Then look at the bigger picture. No accompanied freight is likely to mean fewer immigrants taking that route to get here.

Fewer Continental units means fewer dodgy fckers flouting rules that our guys get hit with.

Loads still coming into the U.K. on a Sunday/Monday hauled by East European drivers working for West European Companies the like of Willie Betz etc. They then do not go home but take internal haulage work from U.K. carriers. Many of their units have extra fuel tanks or enlarged ones so they can haul all week on cheaper fuel sometimes red diesel then collect a load thurs/fri to go back to the continent. These drivers get paid when they are working if they spend time waiting for work they do not get paid even though they can’t go home

I spent ten years working for a UK based company trying to compete against this type of working & the company pretty much gave up, offloaded many of their U.K. drivers & just subbed their work to Betz & the like.

Free market my arse, free market to exploit maybe.

S

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By *losguygl3Man
over a year ago

Gloucester


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

This thread was more fun when you were showing off about how much you don't know about vertical farming.

Can we get back to that?

There’s no shame in admitting you’ve learnt a few things and had your prejudices tackled you know.

Literally the only thing I've learned. Is that you don't understand vertical farms.

It's been fun.tbf iv never heard of vertical farming before and I have an allotment lol but amazing how many experts on a swingers site even fishing the amount of experts on that aswell google helps o suppose lol

Vertical farms are good for small scale growing. Like layers of an allotment on shelves in a huge hydrophonic greenhouse. But they cost a shit load to build, maintain and use. Even on a small scale.

Just so happens to be something I have knowledge in.

Doubting your knowledge, seeing as greenhouses are not generally required. Most recent investments have been in more warehouse type structures with entirely artificial LED lighting.

"Doubting my knowledge",

I wouldn't have it any other way!

So your pro brexit argument is now hanging on someone you don't know, using a slightly incorrect word to describe the type of building that houses vertical farms!

Excellent.

No no, you misunderstand. You are just a sideshow distraction compared to my pro Brexit arguments that you’ve been unable to knock down."

There's a pro-Brexit argument!?!? Ha ha ha ha ha!!!

Of all the nonsense you've spouted on this thread, that is far and away the funniest

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol? "

Think that was someone called glossguy or something like that. Clearly only looked up EU trade deals and forgot everything thing else.

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

Think that was someone called glossguy or something like that. Clearly only looked up EU trade deals and forgot everything thing else."

Yep they’ve all gone a bit quiet now.

Macron made a huge tactical error with the blockade which simply ramped up the pressure from every other country on France to capitulate.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

Think that was someone called glossguy or something like that. Clearly only looked up EU trade deals and forgot everything thing else.

Yep they’ve all gone a bit quiet now.

Macron made a huge tactical error with the blockade which simply ramped up the pressure from every other country on France to capitulate."

I think there could be something in that tbh..

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

Think that was someone called glossguy or something like that. Clearly only looked up EU trade deals and forgot everything thing else.

Yep they’ve all gone a bit quiet now.

Macron made a huge tactical error with the blockade which simply ramped up the pressure from every other country on France to capitulate.

I think there could be something in that tbh..

"

I think it was pretty much a given that the new strain if here would already be elsewhere possibly everywhere.

Where Macron fckd up was only banning outbound from the U.K. & doing it in Xmas week which meant in effect pretty much all the Brit drivers got home & all the continental ones going home for Xmas are stuck at Dover with all eyes looking at Macron not us.

More so after it transpires it’s already in Europe & elsewhere.

To me what this shows more than anything else is not the major disparity in trade with the EU but the major disparity in who carries this cargo.

Six thousand trucks in four days! predominantly foreign registered. Perhaps we can sort a balance of trade there too?

S

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

Think that was someone called glossguy or something like that. Clearly only looked up EU trade deals and forgot everything thing else.

Yep they’ve all gone a bit quiet now.

Macron made a huge tactical error with the blockade which simply ramped up the pressure from every other country on France to capitulate.

I think there could be something in that tbh..

I think it was pretty much a given that the new strain if here would already be elsewhere possibly everywhere.

Where Macron fckd up was only banning outbound from the U.K. & doing it in Xmas week which meant in effect pretty much all the Brit drivers got home & all the continental ones going home for Xmas are stuck at Dover with all eyes looking at Macron not us.

More so after it transpires it’s already in Europe & elsewhere.

To me what this shows more than anything else is not the major disparity in trade with the EU but the major disparity in who carries this cargo.

Six thousand trucks in four days! predominantly foreign registered. Perhaps we can sort a balance of trade there too?

S"

Yep, particularly the East European truckers some running on red diesel with the big fuel tanks have been very unfair competition for more than ten years now.

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales


"And so the thread finally ends.

Not with a flourish or bang.

Just a pathetic whimper from JuliaChris.

You’re skipping over your Ecuador mistake then? Never happened lol?

Think that was someone called glossguy or something like that. Clearly only looked up EU trade deals and forgot everything thing else.

Yep they’ve all gone a bit quiet now.

Macron made a huge tactical error with the blockade which simply ramped up the pressure from every other country on France to capitulate.

I think there could be something in that tbh..

I think it was pretty much a given that the new strain if here would already be elsewhere possibly everywhere.

Where Macron fckd up was only banning outbound from the U.K. & doing it in Xmas week which meant in effect pretty much all the Brit drivers got home & all the continental ones going home for Xmas are stuck at Dover with all eyes looking at Macron not us.

More so after it transpires it’s already in Europe & elsewhere.

To me what this shows more than anything else is not the major disparity in trade with the EU but the major disparity in who carries this cargo.

Six thousand trucks in four days! predominantly foreign registered. Perhaps we can sort a balance of trade there too?

S

Yep, particularly the East European truckers some running on red diesel with the big fuel tanks have been very unfair competition for more than ten years now. "

I worked for Frans Maas for a number of years, the U.K. arm tried to compete against it for years but it was always going to be a fight you wouldn’t win & they ended up using them for some routes where the price disparity was greatest.

S

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

dont go telling remainers this we were all equal in the eu.

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By *uliaChris OP   Couple
over a year ago

westerham


"

That last line is hilarious, "

Oooff that reply has not aged well lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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That last line is hilarious,

Oooff that reply has not aged well lol

"

Ooofff, it aged very well, it is still hilarious,

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"It’s only Dover ffs! Less than 20% of all import/export comes via the accompanied trailer route mainly through Dover.

Perhaps someone in Kent could have a wander down to Manston or Dover & start checking registrations? as in Xmas week I’d hazard a guess very few are British registered going out. They’ll be continental drivers going home for Xmas with a loads or even empty.

So ship the damn stuff unaccompanied like all the non urgent goods (it’s cheaper too).

Then look at the bigger picture. No accompanied freight is likely to mean fewer immigrants taking that route to get here.

Fewer Continental units means fewer dodgy fckers flouting rules that our guys get hit with.

Loads still coming into the U.K. on a Sunday/Monday hauled by East European drivers working for West European Companies the like of Willie Betz etc. They then do not go home but take internal haulage work from U.K. carriers. Many of their units have extra fuel tanks or enlarged ones so they can haul all week on cheaper fuel sometimes red diesel then collect a load thurs/fri to go back to the continent. These drivers get paid when they are working if they spend time waiting for work they do not get paid even though they can’t go home

I spent ten years working for a UK based company trying to compete against this type of working & the company pretty much gave up, offloaded many of their U.K. drivers & just subbed their work to Betz & the like.

Free market my arse, free market to exploit maybe.

S"

To address this and give some balance .

Yes the channel only accounts for 20% of freight but total freight includes wood paper etc. Look at how much of our food comes through Dover particularly fresh food and and the number is a lot higher!

Red diesel sales are traced and as it incurs less tax any over ordering is reported by the fuel companies who are in line for a prosecution if found to be supplying for road use. .

Most of the self drives coming from Europe buy the cheapest fuel in Luxembourg as the low tax rate there encourages sales and increases the tax take for a small country.

As for unaccompanied trailers reducing illegal immigrants don’t bank on it.

Immingham has a high number of illegals hiding in trailers from overnight crossings.

If the hauliers find any they just stop and let them out as if they reported it they were up for a £2k per person fine so just turned a blind eye. Good government plan eh!

The reason foreign hauliers can undercut U.K. hauliers is that we import far more than we export so the demand is for import loads.

As the majority of trucks return to Europe empty the hauliers drop their rates to compete for the few export loads as a contribution to costs squeezing out U.K. hauliers.

If you want to stop this, then buy British otherwise moan as much as you like it won’t help.

In the last 7-8 years the U.K. has been exporting large quantities of waste to Europe which has balanced the flows out and helped prices rise but with new power stations now coming on stream in the U.K taking the waste these exports will start to fall .

Blame the lack of industry in the U.K. not foreign hauliers using market forces . If we made more we would be able to give more to U.K. hauliers at a batter rate .

Oh and don’t forget how much tax we put on fuel so hurting our own economy even more and making foreign hauliers even cheaper in comparison.

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