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"So the thread got too big, we left on the OP ending on a diatribe of 2016 referendum campaigning that's been abandoned by all Brexiteers in power. We also saw them misquoting ex PM Winston Churchill to try and prove a point on democracy, democracy is very close to their heart it seems but it doesn't concern them a party could and has been elected with less votes than the runner up in our current system! Anyway, I'm sure we can list more benefits:" As the original op clearly didn't read much of the first post I'll re-post my first reply: Free access to nearly 500 million people, working time directive, ease of movement to our nearest neighbours, increased investment in the UK leading to an increase in GDP, investment in deprived areas such as South Wales and the North East, banned roaming charges when on holiday, simplified trading with EU companies, set certified standards that make trading easier and it easier for consumers to have confidence, made sharing information on security issues easier. But you can also look up what they have done for you area on the myeu.uk site if you want to know for your local area. | |||
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"So the thread got too big, we left on the OP ending on a diatribe of 2016 referendum campaigning that's been abandoned by all Brexiteers in power. We also saw them misquoting ex PM Winston Churchill to try and prove a point on democracy, democracy is very close to their heart it seems but it doesn't concern them a party could and has been elected with less votes than the runner up in our current system! Anyway, I'm sure we can list more benefits:" One mans diatribe is another mans truth. Still waiting on you to make a specific proposal about a better voting system. | |||
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"So the thread got too big, we left on the OP ending on a diatribe of 2016 referendum campaigning that's been abandoned by all Brexiteers in power. We also saw them misquoting ex PM Winston Churchill to try and prove a point on democracy, democracy is very close to their heart it seems but it doesn't concern them a party could and has been elected with less votes than the runner up in our current system! Anyway, I'm sure we can list more benefits: One mans diatribe is another mans truth. Still waiting on you to make a specific proposal about a better voting system. " If you didn't get this from my comparison earlier I'm not sure how I can help you, but obviously 1 where all votes actually count towards elected officals. | |||
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"So the thread got too big, we left on the OP ending on a diatribe of 2016 referendum campaigning that's been abandoned by all Brexiteers in power. We also saw them misquoting ex PM Winston Churchill to try and prove a point on democracy, democracy is very close to their heart it seems but it doesn't concern them a party could and has been elected with less votes than the runner up in our current system! Anyway, I'm sure we can list more benefits: As the original op clearly didn't read much of the first post I'll re-post my first reply: Free access to nearly 500 million people, working time directive, ease of movement to our nearest neighbours, increased investment in the UK leading to an increase in GDP, investment in deprived areas such as South Wales and the North East, banned roaming charges when on holiday, simplified trading with EU companies, set certified standards that make trading easier and it easier for consumers to have confidence, made sharing information on security issues easier. But you can also look up what they have done for you area on the myeu.uk site if you want to know for your local area." All of those are either 1) Not a benefit - eg free access that allowed appalling wage compression that hit the lowest paid worse 2) Came from the magic EU money tree - oops no it didn’t, it came out of our tax money | |||
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"So the thread got too big, we left on the OP ending on a diatribe of 2016 referendum campaigning that's been abandoned by all Brexiteers in power. We also saw them misquoting ex PM Winston Churchill to try and prove a point on democracy, democracy is very close to their heart it seems but it doesn't concern them a party could and has been elected with less votes than the runner up in our current system! Anyway, I'm sure we can list more benefits: One mans diatribe is another mans truth. Still waiting on you to make a specific proposal about a better voting system. If you didn't get this from my comparison earlier I'm not sure how I can help you, but obviously 1 where all votes actually count towards elected officals. " Do you think a system that didn't elect the party with the majority of the vote 20% of the time last century is democratic? | |||
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"So the thread got too big, we left on the OP ending on a diatribe of 2016 referendum campaigning that's been abandoned by all Brexiteers in power. We also saw them misquoting ex PM Winston Churchill to try and prove a point on democracy, democracy is very close to their heart it seems but it doesn't concern them a party could and has been elected with less votes than the runner up in our current system! Anyway, I'm sure we can list more benefits: One mans diatribe is another mans truth. Still waiting on you to make a specific proposal about a better voting system. If you didn't get this from my comparison earlier I'm not sure how I can help you, but obviously 1 where all votes actually count towards elected officals. " Like Italy yes? Chaos year after year after year. Great stuff, so naive. | |||
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"So the thread got too big, we left on the OP ending on a diatribe of 2016 referendum campaigning that's been abandoned by all Brexiteers in power. We also saw them misquoting ex PM Winston Churchill to try and prove a point on democracy, democracy is very close to their heart it seems but it doesn't concern them a party could and has been elected with less votes than the runner up in our current system! Anyway, I'm sure we can list more benefits: One mans diatribe is another mans truth. Still waiting on you to make a specific proposal about a better voting system. If you didn't get this from my comparison earlier I'm not sure how I can help you, but obviously 1 where all votes actually count towards elected officals. Like Italy yes? Chaos year after year after year. Great stuff, so naive." We've already covered this, stop going over old ground and answer the question! | |||
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"So the thread got too big, we left on the OP ending on a diatribe of 2016 referendum campaigning that's been abandoned by all Brexiteers in power. We also saw them misquoting ex PM Winston Churchill to try and prove a point on democracy, democracy is very close to their heart it seems but it doesn't concern them a party could and has been elected with less votes than the runner up in our current system! Anyway, I'm sure we can list more benefits: As the original op clearly didn't read much of the first post I'll re-post my first reply: Free access to nearly 500 million people, working time directive, ease of movement to our nearest neighbours, increased investment in the UK leading to an increase in GDP, investment in deprived areas such as South Wales and the North East, banned roaming charges when on holiday, simplified trading with EU companies, set certified standards that make trading easier and it easier for consumers to have confidence, made sharing information on security issues easier. But you can also look up what they have done for you area on the myeu.uk site if you want to know for your local area. All of those are either 1) Not a benefit - eg free access that allowed appalling wage compression that hit the lowest paid worse 2) Came from the magic EU money tree - oops no it didn’t, it came out of our tax money" Are you saying having access to the single market was a bad thing economically? Are you claiming the working time directive is bad, mobile roaming charges...how does that fit what you've put...security? its almost as if you didn't read anything I put. | |||
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"So the thread got too big, we left on the OP ending on a diatribe of 2016 referendum campaigning that's been abandoned by all Brexiteers in power. We also saw them misquoting ex PM Winston Churchill to try and prove a point on democracy, democracy is very close to their heart it seems but it doesn't concern them a party could and has been elected with less votes than the runner up in our current system! Anyway, I'm sure we can list more benefits: One mans diatribe is another mans truth. Still waiting on you to make a specific proposal about a better voting system. If you didn't get this from my comparison earlier I'm not sure how I can help you, but obviously 1 where all votes actually count towards elected officals. Like Italy yes? Chaos year after year after year. Great stuff, so naive." The usual quitter/right wing tactic of not actually taking the subject on, but diverting in the hope no one actually looks at the leave position too much. The UK is profoundly undemocratic, FPTP simply offers no representation to the najority of voters, I've also yet to see the likes of Murdoch (who elected him?) be held to account. | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us?" Why do you keep trotting out the 2nd biggest economy in the world bollocks? What difference does that make? Indias economy is bigger than the Uk's. Would you rather be poor in India or the UK? | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Why do you keep trotting out the 2nd biggest economy in the world bollocks? What difference does that make? Indias economy is bigger than the Uk's. Would you rather be poor in India or the UK? " You ever heard of economies of scale? Also, people like you are citing India as a good example anyway! are they bad now? | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Why do you keep trotting out the 2nd biggest economy in the world bollocks? What difference does that make? Indias economy is bigger than the Uk's. Would you rather be poor in India or the UK? " Because it's a fact In 1 day there have been 2 threads full of benefits of being in the eu In 3 years the only positives for leaving have been foreign made blue passports and not having to eat wonky fruit #winning. | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us?" Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. " There has been no war between member states. Fact | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. There has been no war between member states. Fact " You never said that in your post. FACT Please stop making thing up and get your facts correct. | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. There has been no war between member states. Fact You never said that in your post. FACT Please stop making thing up and get your facts correct." The best you have got is a rather pathetic sort of pendantry. There has been no war in eurpe between member states since the eu began That is a fact In previous centuries there have been countless wars.fact The only conflict was The war in Kosovo who were not even in the eu. Fact. | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. There has been no war between member states. Fact You never said that in your post. FACT Please stop making thing up and get your facts correct. The best you have got is a rather pathetic sort of pendantry. There has been no war in eurpe between member states since the eu began That is a fact In previous centuries there have been countless wars.fact The only conflict was The war in Kosovo who were not even in the eu. Fact." Why does Germany still have military constraints then? | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. There has been no war between member states. Fact You never said that in your post. FACT Please stop making thing up and get your facts correct. The best you have got is a rather pathetic sort of pendantry. There has been no war in eurpe between member states since the eu began That is a fact In previous centuries there have been countless wars.fact The only conflict was The war in Kosovo who were not even in the eu. Fact. Why does Germany still have military constraints then? " What does that have to do with anything? | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. There has been no war between member states. Fact You never said that in your post. FACT Please stop making thing up and get your facts correct. The best you have got is a rather pathetic sort of pendantry. There has been no war in eurpe between member states since the eu began That is a fact In previous centuries there have been countless wars.fact The only conflict was The war in Kosovo who were not even in the eu. Fact." That is correct...finally you have posted something correct. However you previously posted an incorrect statement and I quote "no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuries" FACT Now rather than try and deflect your way out of it how about admitting you posted an incorrect claim??? | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. There has been no war between member states. Fact You never said that in your post. FACT Please stop making thing up and get your facts correct. The best you have got is a rather pathetic sort of pendantry. There has been no war in eurpe between member states since the eu began That is a fact In previous centuries there have been countless wars.fact The only conflict was The war in Kosovo who were not even in the eu. Fact. That is correct...finally you have posted something correct. However you previously posted an incorrect statement and I quote "no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuries" FACT Now rather than try and deflect your way out of it how about admitting you posted an incorrect claim??? " Because we are specifically talking about the eu I have amended what I have wrote Are you going to admit the EU has had a positive impact in terms of avoiding armed conflict? | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. There has been no war between member states. Fact You never said that in your post. FACT Please stop making thing up and get your facts correct. The best you have got is a rather pathetic sort of pendantry. There has been no war in eurpe between member states since the eu began That is a fact In previous centuries there have been countless wars.fact The only conflict was The war in Kosovo who were not even in the eu. Fact. Why does Germany still have military constraints then? What does that have to do with anything?" Really? Could that possibly have something to do with there not being a war between EU states? Doesn't the world trust Germany? | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. There has been no war between member states. Fact You never said that in your post. FACT Please stop making thing up and get your facts correct. The best you have got is a rather pathetic sort of pendantry. There has been no war in eurpe between member states since the eu began That is a fact In previous centuries there have been countless wars.fact The only conflict was The war in Kosovo who were not even in the eu. Fact. That is correct...finally you have posted something correct. However you previously posted an incorrect statement and I quote "no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuries" FACT Now rather than try and deflect your way out of it how about admitting you posted an incorrect claim??? Because we are specifically talking about the eu I have amended what I have wrote Are you going to admit the EU has had a positive impact in terms of avoiding armed conflict?" If we are specifically talking about the EU you should NOT use the world Europe. Fact.! If the EU want to avoid armed conflict why do they want to form an EU reaction force? | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. There has been no war between member states. Fact You never said that in your post. FACT Please stop making thing up and get your facts correct. The best you have got is a rather pathetic sort of pendantry. There has been no war in eurpe between member states since the eu began That is a fact In previous centuries there have been countless wars.fact The only conflict was The war in Kosovo who were not even in the eu. Fact. That is correct...finally you have posted something correct. However you previously posted an incorrect statement and I quote "no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuries" FACT Now rather than try and deflect your way out of it how about admitting you posted an incorrect claim??? Because we are specifically talking about the eu I have amended what I have wrote Are you going to admit the EU has had a positive impact in terms of avoiding armed conflict? If we are specifically talking about the EU you should NOT use the world Europe. Fact.! If the EU want to avoid armed conflict why do they want to form an EU reaction force?" I'll take that as a no. | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. There has been no war between member states. Fact You never said that in your post. FACT Please stop making thing up and get your facts correct. The best you have got is a rather pathetic sort of pendantry. There has been no war in eurpe between member states since the eu began That is a fact In previous centuries there have been countless wars.fact The only conflict was The war in Kosovo who were not even in the eu. Fact." I think it was not just Kosovo that was at war. I'm thinking also Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. There has been no war between member states. Fact You never said that in your post. FACT Please stop making thing up and get your facts correct. The best you have got is a rather pathetic sort of pendantry. There has been no war in eurpe between member states since the eu began That is a fact In previous centuries there have been countless wars.fact The only conflict was The war in Kosovo who were not even in the eu. Fact. I think it was not just Kosovo that was at war. I'm thinking also Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia" Kosovo, Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia only became nations well after the war in Yugoslavia. | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. There has been no war between member states. Fact You never said that in your post. FACT Please stop making thing up and get your facts correct. The best you have got is a rather pathetic sort of pendantry. There has been no war in eurpe between member states since the eu began That is a fact In previous centuries there have been countless wars.fact The only conflict was The war in Kosovo who were not even in the eu. Fact. Why does Germany still have military constraints then? " Because they have self imposed restrictions written into their constitution after the end of WW2. | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. There has been no war between member states. Fact You never said that in your post. FACT Please stop making thing up and get your facts correct. The best you have got is a rather pathetic sort of pendantry. There has been no war in eurpe between member states since the eu began That is a fact In previous centuries there have been countless wars.fact The only conflict was The war in Kosovo who were not even in the eu. Fact. I think it was not just Kosovo that was at war. I'm thinking also Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia Kosovo, Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia only became nations well after the war in Yugoslavia. " why is Kosovo accepted as a war but the rest of the former Yugoslavia not. | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. There has been no war between member states. Fact You never said that in your post. FACT Please stop making thing up and get your facts correct. The best you have got is a rather pathetic sort of pendantry. There has been no war in eurpe between member states since the eu began That is a fact In previous centuries there have been countless wars.fact The only conflict was The war in Kosovo who were not even in the eu. Fact. That is correct...finally you have posted something correct. However you previously posted an incorrect statement and I quote "no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuries" FACT Now rather than try and deflect your way out of it how about admitting you posted an incorrect claim??? Because we are specifically talking about the eu I have amended what I have wrote Are you going to admit the EU has had a positive impact in terms of avoiding armed conflict? If we are specifically talking about the EU you should NOT use the world Europe. Fact.! If the EU want to avoid armed conflict why do they want to form an EU reaction force?" Not possible as heard this theory of an EU military denied many times | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. There has been no war between member states. Fact You never said that in your post. FACT Please stop making thing up and get your facts correct. The best you have got is a rather pathetic sort of pendantry. There has been no war in eurpe between member states since the eu began That is a fact In previous centuries there have been countless wars.fact The only conflict was The war in Kosovo who were not even in the eu. Fact. That is correct...finally you have posted something correct. However you previously posted an incorrect statement and I quote "no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuries" FACT Now rather than try and deflect your way out of it how about admitting you posted an incorrect claim??? Because we are specifically talking about the eu I have amended what I have wrote Are you going to admit the EU has had a positive impact in terms of avoiding armed conflict? If we are specifically talking about the EU you should NOT use the world Europe. Fact.! If the EU want to avoid armed conflict why do they want to form an EU reaction force? Not possible as heard this theory of an EU military denied many times" Why the assumption that its down to membership of the EU? Is it not more likely to be the eventual learning (due to WWI and II), that its futile,wasteful and barbaric? And the military setup we had with NATO stopped anything? I know wars usually boil down to one country wanting money wealth and resources from another (and hiding behind some strange ideas to mask their true intent), but putting something in place that lets everybody trade equally with standard qualities and an overarching legal sytem is going to wind some countries up. Especially if they are endlessly propping up other countries economies. It should come as no suprise that people want out of it. The EEC served its purpose well enough. It wasnt broken so why was it "fixed"? The EU has got too big, too quickly and tried to do too much. Pound to a pinch of shit we end up with EU 2.0 eventually. And there wont be 28 members in it. | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. There has been no war between member states. Fact You never said that in your post. FACT Please stop making thing up and get your facts correct. The best you have got is a rather pathetic sort of pendantry. There has been no war in eurpe between member states since the eu began That is a fact In previous centuries there have been countless wars.fact The only conflict was The war in Kosovo who were not even in the eu. Fact. That is correct...finally you have posted something correct. However you previously posted an incorrect statement and I quote "no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuries" FACT Now rather than try and deflect your way out of it how about admitting you posted an incorrect claim??? Because we are specifically talking about the eu I have amended what I have wrote Are you going to admit the EU has had a positive impact in terms of avoiding armed conflict? If we are specifically talking about the EU you should NOT use the world Europe. Fact.! If the EU want to avoid armed conflict why do they want to form an EU reaction force? Not possible as heard this theory of an EU military denied many times Why the assumption that its down to membership of the EU? Is it not more likely to be the eventual learning (due to WWI and II), that its futile,wasteful and barbaric? And the military setup we had with NATO stopped anything? I know wars usually boil down to one country wanting money wealth and resources from another (and hiding behind some strange ideas to mask their true intent), but putting something in place that lets everybody trade equally with standard qualities and an overarching legal sytem is going to wind some countries up. Especially if they are endlessly propping up other countries economies. It should come as no suprise that people want out of it. The EEC served its purpose well enough. It wasnt broken so why was it "fixed"? The EU has got too big, too quickly and tried to do too much. Pound to a pinch of shit we end up with EU 2.0 eventually. And there wont be 28 members in it. " Because if we had that ward are futile what about the Falklands,Iraq and Afghan and every other pointless conflict since around the world? | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. There has been no war between member states. Fact You never said that in your post. FACT Please stop making thing up and get your facts correct. The best you have got is a rather pathetic sort of pendantry. There has been no war in eurpe between member states since the eu began That is a fact In previous centuries there have been countless wars.fact The only conflict was The war in Kosovo who were not even in the eu. Fact. That is correct...finally you have posted something correct. However you previously posted an incorrect statement and I quote "no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuries" FACT Now rather than try and deflect your way out of it how about admitting you posted an incorrect claim??? Because we are specifically talking about the eu I have amended what I have wrote Are you going to admit the EU has had a positive impact in terms of avoiding armed conflict? If we are specifically talking about the EU you should NOT use the world Europe. Fact.! If the EU want to avoid armed conflict why do they want to form an EU reaction force? Not possible as heard this theory of an EU military denied many times Why the assumption that its down to membership of the EU? Is it not more likely to be the eventual learning (due to WWI and II), that its futile,wasteful and barbaric? And the military setup we had with NATO stopped anything? I know wars usually boil down to one country wanting money wealth and resources from another (and hiding behind some strange ideas to mask their true intent), but putting something in place that lets everybody trade equally with standard qualities and an overarching legal sytem is going to wind some countries up. Especially if they are endlessly propping up other countries economies. It should come as no suprise that people want out of it. The EEC served its purpose well enough. It wasnt broken so why was it "fixed"? The EU has got too big, too quickly and tried to do too much. Pound to a pinch of shit we end up with EU 2.0 eventually. And there wont be 28 members in it. Because if we had that ward are futile what about the Falklands,Iraq and Afghan and every other pointless conflict since around the world?" The Falklands futile? I've heard it all now  | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. There has been no war between member states. Fact You never said that in your post. FACT Please stop making thing up and get your facts correct. The best you have got is a rather pathetic sort of pendantry. There has been no war in eurpe between member states since the eu began That is a fact In previous centuries there have been countless wars.fact The only conflict was The war in Kosovo who were not even in the eu. Fact. That is correct...finally you have posted something correct. However you previously posted an incorrect statement and I quote "no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuries" FACT Now rather than try and deflect your way out of it how about admitting you posted an incorrect claim??? Because we are specifically talking about the eu I have amended what I have wrote Are you going to admit the EU has had a positive impact in terms of avoiding armed conflict? If we are specifically talking about the EU you should NOT use the world Europe. Fact.! If the EU want to avoid armed conflict why do they want to form an EU reaction force? Not possible as heard this theory of an EU military denied many times Why the assumption that its down to membership of the EU? Is it not more likely to be the eventual learning (due to WWI and II), that its futile,wasteful and barbaric? And the military setup we had with NATO stopped anything? I know wars usually boil down to one country wanting money wealth and resources from another (and hiding behind some strange ideas to mask their true intent), but putting something in place that lets everybody trade equally with standard qualities and an overarching legal sytem is going to wind some countries up. Especially if they are endlessly propping up other countries economies. It should come as no suprise that people want out of it. The EEC served its purpose well enough. It wasnt broken so why was it "fixed"? The EU has got too big, too quickly and tried to do too much. Pound to a pinch of shit we end up with EU 2.0 eventually. And there wont be 28 members in it. Because if we had that ward are futile what about the Falklands,Iraq and Afghan and every other pointless conflict since around the world? The Falklands futile? I've heard it all now "The poster was saying we have learnt all wars are futile (most are)but we certainly haven't learnt that lesson | |||
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. There has been no war between member states. Fact You never said that in your post. FACT Please stop making thing up and get your facts correct. The best you have got is a rather pathetic sort of pendantry. There has been no war in eurpe between member states since the eu began That is a fact In previous centuries there have been countless wars.fact The only conflict was The war in Kosovo who were not even in the eu. Fact. That is correct...finally you have posted something correct. However you previously posted an incorrect statement and I quote "no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuries" FACT Now rather than try and deflect your way out of it how about admitting you posted an incorrect claim??? Because we are specifically talking about the eu I have amended what I have wrote Are you going to admit the EU has had a positive impact in terms of avoiding armed conflict? If we are specifically talking about the EU you should NOT use the world Europe. Fact.! If the EU want to avoid armed conflict why do they want to form an EU reaction force? Not possible as heard this theory of an EU military denied many times Why the assumption that its down to membership of the EU? Is it not more likely to be the eventual learning (due to WWI and II), that its futile,wasteful and barbaric? And the military setup we had with NATO stopped anything? I know wars usually boil down to one country wanting money wealth and resources from another (and hiding behind some strange ideas to mask their true intent), but putting something in place that lets everybody trade equally with standard qualities and an overarching legal sytem is going to wind some countries up. Especially if they are endlessly propping up other countries economies. It should come as no suprise that people want out of it. The EEC served its purpose well enough. It wasnt broken so why was it "fixed"? The EU has got too big, too quickly and tried to do too much. Pound to a pinch of shit we end up with EU 2.0 eventually. And there wont be 28 members in it. Because if we had that ward are futile what about the Falklands,Iraq and Afghan and every other pointless conflict since around the world? The Falklands futile? I've heard it all now
The poster was saying we have learnt all wars are futile (most are)but we certainly haven't learnt that lesson
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"Ok lets see .apart from being part of the 2nd biggest economy in the world,having access to the single market,closer european ties,protected standards around food quality, health and safety and working conditions, no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuriesfunds directly injected to areas which need in most(European regeneration scheme)closer security and terrorist information sharing, free movement, the erasmus scheme .and higher lenvironmental standards...what have the eu ever done for us? Lionel why do you keep making things up? It was pointed out to you there was a war in Kosovo (which is in Europe) And again you have written there has been no armed conflict in Europe 1st time in centuries. You are wrong so please stop lying. There has been no war between member states. Fact You never said that in your post. FACT Please stop making thing up and get your facts correct. The best you have got is a rather pathetic sort of pendantry. There has been no war in eurpe between member states since the eu began That is a fact In previous centuries there have been countless wars.fact The only conflict was The war in Kosovo who were not even in the eu. Fact. That is correct...finally you have posted something correct. However you previously posted an incorrect statement and I quote "no armed conflict in Europe for the 1st time in centuries" FACT Now rather than try and deflect your way out of it how about admitting you posted an incorrect claim??? Because we are specifically talking about the eu I have amended what I have wrote Are you going to admit the EU has had a positive impact in terms of avoiding armed conflict? If we are specifically talking about the EU you should NOT use the world Europe. Fact.! If the EU want to avoid armed conflict why do they want to form an EU reaction force? Not possible as heard this theory of an EU military denied many times Why the assumption that its down to membership of the EU? Is it not more likely to be the eventual learning (due to WWI and II), that its futile,wasteful and barbaric? And the military setup we had with NATO stopped anything? I know wars usually boil down to one country wanting money wealth and resources from another (and hiding behind some strange ideas to mask their true intent), but putting something in place that lets everybody trade equally with standard qualities and an overarching legal sytem is going to wind some countries up. Especially if they are endlessly propping up other countries economies. It should come as no suprise that people want out of it. The EEC served its purpose well enough. It wasnt broken so why was it "fixed"? The EU has got too big, too quickly and tried to do too much. Pound to a pinch of shit we end up with EU 2.0 eventually. And there wont be 28 members in it. Because if we had that ward are futile what about the Falklands,Iraq and Afghan and every other pointless conflict since around the world? The Falklands futile? I've heard it all now
The poster was saying we have learnt all wars are futile (most are)but we certainly haven't learnt that lesson
It was certainly futile for Argentina to start one."Yep we showed those argies who is boss | |||
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