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"So, genuine question, what did the EU, specifically Brussels, do for us?" The eu has ploughed millions into liverpool and other areas. If people think that boris and his Chums would do they same, they should seek help. I also think being part of one of the biggest economies in the world,would have its own advantages. | |||
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"So, genuine question, what did the EU, specifically Brussels, do for us?" They actually did a lot for us through the European regeneration and development fund.... and places like the south west, wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and north east England were all net beneficiaries to the EU because of what came back.... And before you use the “well it was our money” argument ... I didn’t see our government dipped their money in.... | |||
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"So, genuine question, what did the EU, specifically Brussels, do for us?" Why do you include Brussels? Seems odd! Free access to nearly 500 million people, working time directive, ease of movement to our nearest neighbours, increased investment in the UK leading to an increase in GDP, investment in deprived areas such as South Wales and the North East, banned roaming charges when on holiday, simplified trading with EU companies, set certified standards that make trading easier and it easier for consumers to have confidence, made sharing information on security issues easier. But you can also look up what they have done for you area on the myeu.uk site if you want to know for your local area. | |||
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"So, genuine question, what did the EU, specifically Brussels, do for us? They actually did a lot for us through the European regeneration and development fund.... and places like the south west, wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and north east England were all net beneficiaries to the EU because of what came back.... And before you use the “well it was our money” argument ... I didn’t see our government dipped their money in...." Well they could have if they hadn't been giving it to the eu in the 1st place for them to give a little back and they say brxiteers were fooled. | |||
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"So, genuine question, what did the EU, specifically Brussels, do for us? They actually did a lot for us through the European regeneration and development fund.... and places like the south west, wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and north east England were all net beneficiaries to the EU because of what came back.... And before you use the “well it was our money” argument ... I didn’t see our government dipped their money in....Well they could have if they hadn't been giving it to the eu in the 1st place for them to give a little back and they say brxiteers were fooled." Deluded. | |||
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"So, genuine question, what did the EU, specifically Brussels, do for us? They actually did a lot for us through the European regeneration and development fund.... and places like the south west, wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and north east England were all net beneficiaries to the EU because of what came back.... And before you use the “well it was our money” argument ... I didn’t see our government dipped their money in....Well they could have if they hadn't been giving it to the eu in the 1st place for them to give a little back and they say brxiteers were fooled. Deluded." 20 mins in and the list is already a few times bigger than the 2 Brexit Benefits lists combined. | |||
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"So, genuine question, what did the EU, specifically Brussels, do for us?" They made 'union only jobs' illegal which was a good thing. Now you can't force an employees to join the union. But to be fair that isn't much considering they undermined the entire concept of democracy. | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot " I'm neither and its benefitted me so factually incorrect. | |||
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"So, genuine question, what did the EU, specifically Brussels, do for us? They made 'union only jobs' illegal which was a good thing. Now you can't force an employees to join the union. But to be fair that isn't much considering they undermined the entire concept of democracy." And how did they do this exactly? | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot I'm neither and its benefitted me so factually incorrect." How do you know it has? | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot I'm neither and its benefitted me so factually incorrect. How do you know it has? " Because its ploughed millions into my city and been responsible for 17 major investments. | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot I'm neither and its benefitted me so factually incorrect. How do you know it has? " Not working 70 hours a week and having no holidays perhaps? But are you going to say if you still believe a 'no deal' is a deal? and if Liz Truss signed a deal with Japan in October? like you said couldn't happen! | |||
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"So, genuine question, what did the EU, specifically Brussels, do for us? They made 'union only jobs' illegal which was a good thing. Now you can't force an employees to join the union. But to be fair that isn't much considering they undermined the entire concept of democracy." I'm sure you were livid when Boris prorogued parliament then? | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot I'm neither and its benefitted me so factually incorrect. How do you know it has? Not working 70 hours a week and having no holidays perhaps? But are you going to say if you still believe a 'no deal' is a deal? and if Liz Truss signed a deal with Japan in October? like you said couldn't happen!" So what are you saying? That the UK can do trade deals in a matter of months when it takes the EU years? You are sounding like an advocate for Brexit, finally you might be seeing the light, well done  | |||
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"I think we may have stumbled upon why brexiteers hate the eu so much. They plough money into area which need them. Ideas anathema to boris and his ilk." Wasnt it Michael Heseltine maggies minister who rejuvenated liverpool? i seem to remember Liverpool giving him freedom of the city. | |||
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"I think we may have stumbled upon why brexiteers hate the eu so much. They plough money into area which need them. Ideas anathema to boris and his ilk.Wasnt it Michael Heseltine maggies minister who rejuvenated liverpool? i seem to remember Liverpool giving him freedom of the city. " He disagreed with Thatcher approach. He didnt rejunecate the city.(how could he?) That was the objective 1 money | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot I'm neither and its benefitted me so factually incorrect. How do you know it has? Not working 70 hours a week and having no holidays perhaps? But are you going to say if you still believe a 'no deal' is a deal? and if Liz Truss signed a deal with Japan in October? like you said couldn't happen! So what are you saying? That the UK can do trade deals in a matter of months when it takes the EU years? You are sounding like an advocate for Brexit, finally you might be seeing the light, well done "No, I'm pointing out your ignorance pal! | |||
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"So, genuine question, what did the EU, specifically Brussels, do for us? They made 'union only jobs' illegal which was a good thing. Now you can't force an employees to join the union. But to be fair that isn't much considering they undermined the entire concept of democracy." Because you don’t understand how the EU works does not make it in democratic. Council of Ministers, European Parliament (MEP’S) European Commissioner are all elected with by direct or indirectly House of Lords on the other hand and is an unelected body .... I wonder where the democratic deficit is....  | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot I'm neither and its benefitted me so factually incorrect. How do you know it has? Not working 70 hours a week and having no holidays perhaps? But are you going to say if you still believe a 'no deal' is a deal? and if Liz Truss signed a deal with Japan in October? like you said couldn't happen! So what are you saying? That the UK can do trade deals in a matter of months when it takes the EU years? You are sounding like an advocate for Brexit, finally you might be seeing the light, well done "The Japan trade deal is thought to favour Japan 83% and tie us to tighter state aid rules than the EU are asking for, so maybe we should have taken a bit more time. | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot I'm neither and its benefitted me so factually incorrect. How do you know it has? Not working 70 hours a week and having no holidays perhaps? But are you going to say if you still believe a 'no deal' is a deal? and if Liz Truss signed a deal with Japan in October? like you said couldn't happen! So what are you saying? That the UK can do trade deals in a matter of months when it takes the EU years? You are sounding like an advocate for Brexit, finally you might be seeing the light, well done
No, I'm pointing out your ignorance pal! "Really? You're saying that the UK can do trade deals in a matter of months aren't you? | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot I'm neither and its benefitted me so factually incorrect. How do you know it has? Not working 70 hours a week and having no holidays perhaps? But are you going to say if you still believe a 'no deal' is a deal? and if Liz Truss signed a deal with Japan in October? like you said couldn't happen! So what are you saying? That the UK can do trade deals in a matter of months when it takes the EU years? You are sounding like an advocate for Brexit, finally you might be seeing the light, well done
No, I'm pointing out your ignorance pal!
Really? You're saying that the UK can do trade deals in a matter of months aren't you? "What are you on about? I pointed out the other day we have already signed one with Japan, you said we could not until next year, I was pointing out you were wrong. We've also rolled over a number of trade deals with no improvements. | |||
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"I think we may have stumbled upon why brexiteers hate the eu so much. They plough money into area which need them. Ideas anathema to boris and his ilk.Wasnt it Michael Heseltine maggies minister who rejuvenated liverpool? i seem to remember Liverpool giving him freedom of the city. He disagreed with Thatcher approach. He didnt rejunecate the city.(how could he?) That was the objective 1 money " You are so anti tory you just cant bring yourself to give him credit for anything. I find it sad that you are so filled with hate that you cannot even acknowledge what he did for your city. Luckily your way of thinking is very much in decline and people now are much more likely to give credit where its due. just like the labour mayor who gave him the freedom of the city. | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot I'm neither and its benefitted me so factually incorrect. How do you know it has? Not working 70 hours a week and having no holidays perhaps? But are you going to say if you still believe a 'no deal' is a deal? and if Liz Truss signed a deal with Japan in October? like you said couldn't happen! So what are you saying? That the UK can do trade deals in a matter of months when it takes the EU years? You are sounding like an advocate for Brexit, finally you might be seeing the light, well done
No, I'm pointing out your ignorance pal!
Really? You're saying that the UK can do trade deals in a matter of months aren't you?
What are you on about? I pointed out the other day we have already signed one with Japan, you said we could not until next year, I was pointing out you were wrong. We've also rolled over a number of trade deals with no improvements."So the one with Japan is a completely new deal and has been completed in a matter of months? | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot " That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot I'm neither and its benefitted me so factually incorrect. How do you know it has? Not working 70 hours a week and having no holidays perhaps? But are you going to say if you still believe a 'no deal' is a deal? and if Liz Truss signed a deal with Japan in October? like you said couldn't happen! So what are you saying? That the UK can do trade deals in a matter of months when it takes the EU years? You are sounding like an advocate for Brexit, finally you might be seeing the light, well done
The Japan trade deal is thought to favour Japan 83% and tie us to tighter state aid rules than the EU are asking for, so maybe we should have taken a bit more time."Where did you get that from? | |||
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"I think we may have stumbled upon why brexiteers hate the eu so much. They plough money into area which need them. Ideas anathema to boris and his ilk.Wasnt it Michael Heseltine maggies minister who rejuvenated liverpool? i seem to remember Liverpool giving him freedom of the city. He disagreed with Thatcher approach. He didnt rejunecate the city.(how could he?) That was the objective 1 money You are so anti tory you just cant bring yourself to give him credit for anything. I find it sad that you are so filled with hate that you cannot even acknowledge what he did for your city. Luckily your way of thinking is very much in decline and people now are much more likely to give credit where its due. just like the labour mayor who gave him the freedom of the city." I mean this is meant to be comedy? "Cabinet meetings in the wake of the Toxteth riots of 1981 saw then-chancellor Sir Geoffrey Howe urge Margaret Thatcher not to waste "scarce resources" on Liverpool" | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot I'm neither and its benefitted me so factually incorrect. How do you know it has? Not working 70 hours a week and having no holidays perhaps? But are you going to say if you still believe a 'no deal' is a deal? and if Liz Truss signed a deal with Japan in October? like you said couldn't happen! So what are you saying? That the UK can do trade deals in a matter of months when it takes the EU years? You are sounding like an advocate for Brexit, finally you might be seeing the light, well done
The Japan trade deal is thought to favour Japan 83% and tie us to tighter state aid rules than the EU are asking for, so maybe we should have taken a bit more time.Where did you get that from?"FT | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money " cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back.  When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ? | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot I'm neither and its benefitted me so factually incorrect. How do you know it has? Not working 70 hours a week and having no holidays perhaps? But are you going to say if you still believe a 'no deal' is a deal? and if Liz Truss signed a deal with Japan in October? like you said couldn't happen! So what are you saying? That the UK can do trade deals in a matter of months when it takes the EU years? You are sounding like an advocate for Brexit, finally you might be seeing the light, well done
The Japan trade deal is thought to favour Japan 83% and tie us to tighter state aid rules than the EU are asking for, so maybe we should have taken a bit more time.Where did you get that from?"Independent too | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?" I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this  | |||
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"I think we may have stumbled upon why brexiteers hate the eu so much. They plough money into area which need them. Ideas anathema to boris and his ilk.Wasnt it Michael Heseltine maggies minister who rejuvenated liverpool? i seem to remember Liverpool giving him freedom of the city. He disagreed with Thatcher approach. He didnt rejunecate the city.(how could he?) That was the objective 1 money You are so anti tory you just cant bring yourself to give him credit for anything. I find it sad that you are so filled with hate that you cannot even acknowledge what he did for your city. Luckily your way of thinking is very much in decline and people now are much more likely to give credit where its due. just like the labour mayor who gave him the freedom of the city. I mean this is meant to be comedy? "Cabinet meetings in the wake of the Toxteth riots of 1981 saw then-chancellor Sir Geoffrey Howe urge Margaret Thatcher not to waste "scarce resources" on Liverpool" " Yep so they say but it still doesnt change the fact it went ahead.Are you saying the rejuvenation didnt happen? | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this "And they say we were conned.  | |||
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"I think we may have stumbled upon why brexiteers hate the eu so much. They plough money into area which need them. Ideas anathema to boris and his ilk.Wasnt it Michael Heseltine maggies minister who rejuvenated liverpool? i seem to remember Liverpool giving him freedom of the city. He disagreed with Thatcher approach. He didnt rejunecate the city.(how could he?) That was the objective 1 money You are so anti tory you just cant bring yourself to give him credit for anything. I find it sad that you are so filled with hate that you cannot even acknowledge what he did for your city. Luckily your way of thinking is very much in decline and people now are much more likely to give credit where its due. just like the labour mayor who gave him the freedom of the city." You are utterly clueless Where the fuck did I not acknowledge him? He was secretary of state..how the fuck can e regenerate a city? Just because you have some irrational bizarre hatred of the eu doesn't mean everyone has. | |||
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"I think we may have stumbled upon why brexiteers hate the eu so much. They plough money into area which need them. Ideas anathema to boris and his ilk.Wasnt it Michael Heseltine maggies minister who rejuvenated liverpool? i seem to remember Liverpool giving him freedom of the city. He disagreed with Thatcher approach. He didnt rejunecate the city.(how could he?) That was the objective 1 money You are so anti tory you just cant bring yourself to give him credit for anything. I find it sad that you are so filled with hate that you cannot even acknowledge what he did for your city. Luckily your way of thinking is very much in decline and people now are much more likely to give credit where its due. just like the labour mayor who gave him the freedom of the city. I mean this is meant to be comedy? "Cabinet meetings in the wake of the Toxteth riots of 1981 saw then-chancellor Sir Geoffrey Howe urge Margaret Thatcher not to waste "scarce resources" on Liverpool" Yep so they say but it still doesnt change the fact it went ahead.Are you saying the rejuvenation didnt happen? " Are we supposed to celebrate because the Tories had one good egg who didn't agree to set Liverpool adrift? This has about Hesseltine not the Tory party. I mean they got rid of the government offices he built there! was that looking after Liverpool too? | |||
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"I think we may have stumbled upon why brexiteers hate the eu so much. They plough money into area which need them. Ideas anathema to boris and his ilk.Wasnt it Michael Heseltine maggies minister who rejuvenated liverpool? i seem to remember Liverpool giving him freedom of the city. He disagreed with Thatcher approach. He didnt rejunecate the city.(how could he?) That was the objective 1 money You are so anti tory you just cant bring yourself to give him credit for anything. I find it sad that you are so filled with hate that you cannot even acknowledge what he did for your city. Luckily your way of thinking is very much in decline and people now are much more likely to give credit where its due. just like the labour mayor who gave him the freedom of the city. I mean this is meant to be comedy? "Cabinet meetings in the wake of the Toxteth riots of 1981 saw then-chancellor Sir Geoffrey Howe urge Margaret Thatcher not to waste "scarce resources" on Liverpool" " Pointless arguing They simply make any old bullshit up even when presented with facts. It's almost surreal the level of delusion | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned. "You were conned mate, which Brexiteer ran on a no deal platform? | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
You were conned mate, which Brexiteer ran on a no deal platform?" what does that even mean? Do you think it was like voting for an MP? | |||
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"I think we may have stumbled upon why brexiteers hate the eu so much. They plough money into area which need them. Ideas anathema to boris and his ilk.Wasnt it Michael Heseltine maggies minister who rejuvenated liverpool? i seem to remember Liverpool giving him freedom of the city. He disagreed with Thatcher approach. He didnt rejunecate the city.(how could he?) That was the objective 1 money You are so anti tory you just cant bring yourself to give him credit for anything. I find it sad that you are so filled with hate that you cannot even acknowledge what he did for your city. Luckily your way of thinking is very much in decline and people now are much more likely to give credit where its due. just like the labour mayor who gave him the freedom of the city. You are utterly clueless Where the fuck did I not acknowledge him? He was secretary of state..how the fuck can e regenerate a city? Just because you have some irrational bizarre hatred of the eu doesn't mean everyone has." He argued the case with the government and won thats how it generally works in our political system. | |||
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"In 1994 £700m was injected into the cityLM In 2000 another £928m followed Between 2014 and 2020 another £400m had been agreed. " All UK money | |||
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"So, genuine question, what did the EU, specifically Brussels, do for us?" Why choose a tiny tiny area of the EU to specifically ask about what "they" did for us other than to use it as a loaded question. The benefits of EU membership has been explained and backed up with the facts over and over and over again since 2016, which unfortunately cannot be said of the merits of leaving and the facts to back that side of the argument up | |||
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"In 1994 £700m was injected into the cityLM In 2000 another £928m followed Between 2014 and 2020 another £400m had been agreed. All UK money "True And could have been spent on boris and his chums | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
You were conned mate, which Brexiteer ran on a no deal platform?
what does that even mean? Do you think it was like voting for an MP? "So, it was ok to not have a plan for Brexit? You looking forward to rushing through more bad trade deals? | |||
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"I think we may have stumbled upon why brexiteers hate the eu so much. They plough money into area which need them. Ideas anathema to boris and his ilk.Wasnt it Michael Heseltine maggies minister who rejuvenated liverpool? i seem to remember Liverpool giving him freedom of the city. He disagreed with Thatcher approach. He didnt rejunecate the city.(how could he?) That was the objective 1 money You are so anti tory you just cant bring yourself to give him credit for anything. I find it sad that you are so filled with hate that you cannot even acknowledge what he did for your city. Luckily your way of thinking is very much in decline and people now are much more likely to give credit where its due. just like the labour mayor who gave him the freedom of the city. You are utterly clueless Where the fuck did I not acknowledge him? He was secretary of state..how the fuck can e regenerate a city? Just because you have some irrational bizarre hatred of the eu doesn't mean everyone has.He argued the case with the government and won thats how it generally works in our political system. " I have posted actual facts and figures. You just chat shit as usual. | |||
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"So, genuine question, what did the EU, specifically Brussels, do for us? They actually did a lot for us through the European regeneration and development fund.... and places like the south west, wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and north east England were all net beneficiaries to the EU because of what came back.... And before you use the “well it was our money” argument ... I didn’t see our government dipped their money in.... Well they could have if they hadn't been giving it to the eu in the 1st place for them to give a little back and they say brxiteers were fooled." Many "brexiteers" cannot even get their own ducks in a row when it comes to debating "Brexity" topics  | |||
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"have fun cant sit here all day "Feel free to read those articles on the great trade deal we got! | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned. "Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2 Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in.... | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in...."Ah, here we go again with ‘facts’ Neither areas nor individuals pay monies directly to the EU. All UK taxes are paid to the UK Government which in turn makes its contribution to the EU. The EU then returns some of this money to fund certain schemes, the likes of which you mention.So in fact, it could be argued that monies raised from other areas of the UK are actually funding such schemes. | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....
Ah, here we go again with ‘facts’
Neither areas nor individuals pay monies directly to the EU. All UK taxes are paid to the UK Government which in turn makes its contribution to the EU. The EU then returns some of this money to fund certain schemes, the likes of which you mention.So in fact, it could be argued that monies raised from other areas of the UK are actually funding such schemes.
"It's not really a point though is it? I mean unless you could explicitly prove the government would spend it on deprived areas anyway. Given David Cameron's answer to Nick Thomas-Symonds who asked if the Prime Minister agreed that if his constituency "loses a penny piece of its funding under his successor, that would be a gross betrayal". I would not be to hopeful of that. | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....
Ah, here we go again with ‘facts’
Neither areas nor individuals pay monies directly to the EU. All UK taxes are paid to the UK Government which in turn makes its contribution to the EU. The EU then returns some of this money to fund certain schemes, the likes of which you mention.So in fact, it could be argued that monies raised from other areas of the UK are actually funding such schemes.
"So then the argument becomes would the uk government have spent the money in the same way the eu regeneration and development fund did..... If you honestly think that the answer to that would have been yes..... I can make an argument just from money spent on transport projects that you are deluding yourself | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....
Ah, here we go again with ‘facts’
Neither areas nor individuals pay monies directly to the EU. All UK taxes are paid to the UK Government which in turn makes its contribution to the EU. The EU then returns some of this money to fund certain schemes, the likes of which you mention.So in fact, it could be argued that monies raised from other areas of the UK are actually funding such schemes.
It's not really a point though is it? I mean unless you could explicitly prove the government would spend it on deprived areas anyway. Given David Cameron's answer to Nick Thomas-Symonds who asked if the Prime Minister agreed that if his constituency "loses a penny piece of its funding under his successor, that would be a gross betrayal". I would not be to hopeful of that."I can no more prove that the government would spend money on such areas than you can disprove it, and anyway that wasn’t my intent. | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....
Ah, here we go again with ‘facts’
Neither areas nor individuals pay monies directly to the EU. All UK taxes are paid to the UK Government which in turn makes its contribution to the EU. The EU then returns some of this money to fund certain schemes, the likes of which you mention.So in fact, it could be argued that monies raised from other areas of the UK are actually funding such schemes.
It's not really a point though is it? I mean unless you could explicitly prove the government would spend it on deprived areas anyway. Given David Cameron's answer to Nick Thomas-Symonds who asked if the Prime Minister agreed that if his constituency "loses a penny piece of its funding under his successor, that would be a gross betrayal". I would not be to hopeful of that."Think this disproves that theory quite conclusively https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-cornwall-55279468 | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....
Ah, here we go again with ‘facts’
Neither areas nor individuals pay monies directly to the EU. All UK taxes are paid to the UK Government which in turn makes its contribution to the EU. The EU then returns some of this money to fund certain schemes, the likes of which you mention.So in fact, it could be argued that monies raised from other areas of the UK are actually funding such schemes.
It's not really a point though is it? I mean unless you could explicitly prove the government would spend it on deprived areas anyway. Given David Cameron's answer to Nick Thomas-Symonds who asked if the Prime Minister agreed that if his constituency "loses a penny piece of its funding under his successor, that would be a gross betrayal". I would not be to hopeful of that.
Think this disproves that theory quite conclusively
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-cornwall-55279468"Looks like Max might look a bit foolish here! | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....
Ah, here we go again with ‘facts’
Neither areas nor individuals pay monies directly to the EU. All UK taxes are paid to the UK Government which in turn makes its contribution to the EU. The EU then returns some of this money to fund certain schemes, the likes of which you mention.So in fact, it could be argued that monies raised from other areas of the UK are actually funding such schemes.
So then the argument becomes would the uk government have spent the money in the same way the eu regeneration and development fund did.....
If you honestly think that the answer to that would have been yes..... I can make an argument just from money spent on transport projects that you are deluding yourself "The argument then becomes a hypothetical one, which we all can argue until we’re blue in the face but can never prove or disprove. | |||
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"Wales’ net benefit from the EU equated to around £79 per head in 2014. This compares with a net contribution of £151 per head for the UK as a whole. So Wales makes money from the EU, England is more difficult to breakdown with place live London receiving very little money from the EU while Liverpool be benefiting in the same way as Wales. " One of the intentions,I think of the eu,is to look at areas which have been left behind,and to "level them up' | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....
Ah, here we go again with ‘facts’
Neither areas nor individuals pay monies directly to the EU. All UK taxes are paid to the UK Government which in turn makes its contribution to the EU. The EU then returns some of this money to fund certain schemes, the likes of which you mention.So in fact, it could be argued that monies raised from other areas of the UK are actually funding such schemes.
So then the argument becomes would the uk government have spent the money in the same way the eu regeneration and development fund did.....
If you honestly think that the answer to that would have been yes..... I can make an argument just from money spent on transport projects that you are deluding yourself
The argument then becomes a hypothetical one, which we all can argue until we’re blue in the face but can never prove or disprove."They are cutting the funding for an area that received EU funding... how is that hypothetical? | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....
Ah, here we go again with ‘facts’
Neither areas nor individuals pay monies directly to the EU. All UK taxes are paid to the UK Government which in turn makes its contribution to the EU. The EU then returns some of this money to fund certain schemes, the likes of which you mention.So in fact, it could be argued that monies raised from other areas of the UK are actually funding such schemes.
It's not really a point though is it? I mean unless you could explicitly prove the government would spend it on deprived areas anyway. Given David Cameron's answer to Nick Thomas-Symonds who asked if the Prime Minister agreed that if his constituency "loses a penny piece of its funding under his successor, that would be a gross betrayal". I would not be to hopeful of that.
Think this disproves that theory quite conclusively
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-cornwall-55279468
Looks like Max might look a bit foolish here!"Boris breaking a promise? Well knock me down with a feather. | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....
Ah, here we go again with ‘facts’
Neither areas nor individuals pay monies directly to the EU. All UK taxes are paid to the UK Government which in turn makes its contribution to the EU. The EU then returns some of this money to fund certain schemes, the likes of which you mention.So in fact, it could be argued that monies raised from other areas of the UK are actually funding such schemes.
It's not really a point though is it? I mean unless you could explicitly prove the government would spend it on deprived areas anyway. Given David Cameron's answer to Nick Thomas-Symonds who asked if the Prime Minister agreed that if his constituency "loses a penny piece of its funding under his successor, that would be a gross betrayal". I would not be to hopeful of that.
Think this disproves that theory quite conclusively
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-cornwall-55279468
Looks like Max might look a bit foolish here!"The link doesn’t work for me, so please explain the content | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....
Ah, here we go again with ‘facts’
Neither areas nor individuals pay monies directly to the EU. All UK taxes are paid to the UK Government which in turn makes its contribution to the EU. The EU then returns some of this money to fund certain schemes, the likes of which you mention.So in fact, it could be argued that monies raised from other areas of the UK are actually funding such schemes.
It's not really a point though is it? I mean unless you could explicitly prove the government would spend it on deprived areas anyway. Given David Cameron's answer to Nick Thomas-Symonds who asked if the Prime Minister agreed that if his constituency "loses a penny piece of its funding under his successor, that would be a gross betrayal". I would not be to hopeful of that.
Think this disproves that theory quite conclusively
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-cornwall-55279468
Looks like Max might look a bit foolish here!
The link doesn’t work for me, so please explain the content"How can the link not work for you? | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....
Ah, here we go again with ‘facts’
Neither areas nor individuals pay monies directly to the EU. All UK taxes are paid to the UK Government which in turn makes its contribution to the EU. The EU then returns some of this money to fund certain schemes, the likes of which you mention.So in fact, it could be argued that monies raised from other areas of the UK are actually funding such schemes.
It's not really a point though is it? I mean unless you could explicitly prove the government would spend it on deprived areas anyway. Given David Cameron's answer to Nick Thomas-Symonds who asked if the Prime Minister agreed that if his constituency "loses a penny piece of its funding under his successor, that would be a gross betrayal". I would not be to hopeful of that.
Think this disproves that theory quite conclusively
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-cornwall-55279468
Looks like Max might look a bit foolish here!
The link doesn’t work for me, so please explain the content
How can the link not work for you? "I’ve copied and pasted into Google and it doesn’t work on my iPad, nothing sinister. So what does the article say? | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....
Ah, here we go again with ‘facts’
Neither areas nor individuals pay monies directly to the EU. All UK taxes are paid to the UK Government which in turn makes its contribution to the EU. The EU then returns some of this money to fund certain schemes, the likes of which you mention.So in fact, it could be argued that monies raised from other areas of the UK are actually funding such schemes.
It's not really a point though is it? I mean unless you could explicitly prove the government would spend it on deprived areas anyway. Given David Cameron's answer to Nick Thomas-Symonds who asked if the Prime Minister agreed that if his constituency "loses a penny piece of its funding under his successor, that would be a gross betrayal". I would not be to hopeful of that.
Think this disproves that theory quite conclusively
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-cornwall-55279468
Looks like Max might look a bit foolish here!
The link doesn’t work for me, so please explain the content
How can the link not work for you?
I’ve copied and pasted into Google and it doesn’t work on my iPad, nothing sinister. So what does the article say?""Cornwall could be "significantly worse off" after Brexit, receiving just 5% of what it needs to replace EU funding, according to a local councillor. One of the UK's poorest areas, Cornwall has applied for £700m over 10 years from the government to replace EU cash. However, there are fears that the county could get as little as £1.8m in the first year. The government said it would work with "councils and other key stakeholders on how best to use" money it provided." | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....
Ah, here we go again with ‘facts’
Neither areas nor individuals pay monies directly to the EU. All UK taxes are paid to the UK Government which in turn makes its contribution to the EU. The EU then returns some of this money to fund certain schemes, the likes of which you mention.So in fact, it could be argued that monies raised from other areas of the UK are actually funding such schemes.
It's not really a point though is it? I mean unless you could explicitly prove the government would spend it on deprived areas anyway. Given David Cameron's answer to Nick Thomas-Symonds who asked if the Prime Minister agreed that if his constituency "loses a penny piece of its funding under his successor, that would be a gross betrayal". I would not be to hopeful of that.
Think this disproves that theory quite conclusively
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-cornwall-55279468
Looks like Max might look a bit foolish here!
The link doesn’t work for me, so please explain the content
How can the link not work for you?
I’ve copied and pasted into Google and it doesn’t work on my iPad, nothing sinister. So what does the article say?
"Cornwall could be "significantly worse off" after Brexit, receiving just 5% of what it needs to replace EU funding, according to a local councillor.
One of the UK's poorest areas, Cornwall has applied for £700m over 10 years from the government to replace EU cash.
However, there are fears that the county could get as little as £1.8m in the first year.
The government said it would work with "councils and other key stakeholders on how best to use" money it provided.""‘Could be’, so we’re talking hypothetically again. | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....
Ah, here we go again with ‘facts’
Neither areas nor individuals pay monies directly to the EU. All UK taxes are paid to the UK Government which in turn makes its contribution to the EU. The EU then returns some of this money to fund certain schemes, the likes of which you mention.So in fact, it could be argued that monies raised from other areas of the UK are actually funding such schemes.
It's not really a point though is it? I mean unless you could explicitly prove the government would spend it on deprived areas anyway. Given David Cameron's answer to Nick Thomas-Symonds who asked if the Prime Minister agreed that if his constituency "loses a penny piece of its funding under his successor, that would be a gross betrayal". I would not be to hopeful of that.
Think this disproves that theory quite conclusively
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-cornwall-55279468
Looks like Max might look a bit foolish here!
The link doesn’t work for me, so please explain the content
How can the link not work for you?
I’ve copied and pasted into Google and it doesn’t work on my iPad, nothing sinister. So what does the article say?
"Cornwall could be "significantly worse off" after Brexit, receiving just 5% of what it needs to replace EU funding, according to a local councillor.
One of the UK's poorest areas, Cornwall has applied for £700m over 10 years from the government to replace EU cash.
However, there are fears that the county could get as little as £1.8m in the first year.
The government said it would work with "councils and other key stakeholders on how best to use" money it provided."
‘Could be’, so we’re talking hypothetically again."Jesus, do you really think the government are going to match the funding given the level of concern shown? | |||
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I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....
Ah, here we go again with ‘facts’
Neither areas nor individuals pay monies directly to the EU. All UK taxes are paid to the UK Government which in turn makes its contribution to the EU. The EU then returns some of this money to fund certain schemes, the likes of which you mention.So in fact, it could be argued that monies raised from other areas of the UK are actually funding such schemes.
It's not really a point though is it? I mean unless you could explicitly prove the government would spend it on deprived areas anyway. Given David Cameron's answer to Nick Thomas-Symonds who asked if the Prime Minister agreed that if his constituency "loses a penny piece of its funding under his successor, that would be a gross betrayal". I would not be to hopeful of that.
Think this disproves that theory quite conclusively
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"Cornwall could be "significantly worse off" after Brexit, receiving just 5% of what it needs to replace EU funding, according to a local councillor.
One of the UK's poorest areas, Cornwall has applied for £700m over 10 years from the government to replace EU cash.
However, there are fears that the county could get as little as £1.8m in the first year.
The government said it would work with "councils and other key stakeholders on how best to use" money it provided."
‘Could be’, so we’re talking hypothetically again.
Jesus, do you really think the government are going to match the funding given the level of concern shown? "The conservative councillor has called his own boss a liar. Dont bother arguing. | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less." Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath." The majority did though didnt they..so poetic justice. | |||
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"So, genuine question, what did the EU, specifically Brussels, do for us? On a personal level it gave my me and my kids the right to travel, work, live anywhere in the EU. It’s frustrating to have that taken away. It enabled me to trade easily across the member states, something that I enjoyed doing for many years. " Yes..yes..but we are taking back control and something about bananas and hedges. | |||
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"Wales’ net benefit from the EU equated to around £79 per head in 2014. This compares with a net contribution of £151 per head for the UK as a whole. So Wales makes money from the EU, England is more difficult to breakdown with place live London receiving very little money from the EU while Liverpool be benefiting in the same way as Wales. One of the intentions,I think of the eu,is to look at areas which have been left behind,and to "level them up' " I agree many part of the U.K. have been class as Stage 1 areas as they are classed as Economically deprived areas. | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The majority did though didnt they..so poetic justice." A minority of them voted for brexit. The majority didn't vote or voted remain. They're all suffering. | |||
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"So, genuine question, what did the EU, specifically Brussels, do for us? Why do you include Brussels? Seems odd! Free access to nearly 500 million people, working time directive, ease of movement to our nearest neighbours, increased investment in the UK leading to an increase in GDP, investment in deprived areas such as South Wales and the North East, banned roaming charges when on holiday, simplified trading with EU companies, set certified standards that make trading easier and it easier for consumers to have confidence, made sharing information on security issues easier. But you can also look up what they have done for you area on the myeu.uk site if you want to know for your local area." Well said all good comes from being in the EU. Can't see any downsides. But we are going to find out the downsides soon due to brexiters. | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in...."True you cant argue with stupid no matter how you dress it up show me a year since we have been in the eu when the uk was not a net contributor. Put it this way you give me £100 and i will give your wife £50 yes she is a net beneficiary by £50 quid its not cost me anything but you as a family are still down £50 Im sorry i cant put it any simpler for you. | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....True you cant argue with stupid no matter how you dress it up show me a year since we have been in the eu when the uk was not a net contributor.
Put it this way you give me £100 and i will give your wife £50 yes she is a net beneficiary by £50 quid its not cost me anything but you as a family are still down £50 Im sorry i cant put it any simpler for you. "Did you actually read the Cornwall story? | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....
Ah, here we go again with ‘facts’
Neither areas nor individuals pay monies directly to the EU. All UK taxes are paid to the UK Government which in turn makes its contribution to the EU. The EU then returns some of this money to fund certain schemes, the likes of which you mention.So in fact, it could be argued that monies raised from other areas of the UK are actually funding such schemes.
It's not really a point though is it? I mean unless you could explicitly prove the government would spend it on deprived areas anyway. Given David Cameron's answer to Nick Thomas-Symonds who asked if the Prime Minister agreed that if his constituency "loses a penny piece of its funding under his successor, that would be a gross betrayal". I would not be to hopeful of that.
Think this disproves that theory quite conclusively
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-cornwall-55279468
Looks like Max might look a bit foolish here!
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"Cornwall could be "significantly worse off" after Brexit, receiving just 5% of what it needs to replace EU funding, according to a local councillor.
One of the UK's poorest areas, Cornwall has applied for £700m over 10 years from the government to replace EU cash.
However, there are fears that the county could get as little as £1.8m in the first year.
The government said it would work with "councils and other key stakeholders on how best to use" money it provided."""Could be" not will be. negative,negative,negatives that all you see such a sad life you must have. | |||
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I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....True you cant argue with stupid no matter how you dress it up show me a year since we have been in the eu when the uk was not a net contributor.
Put it this way you give me £100 and i will give your wife £50 yes she is a net beneficiary by £50 quid its not cost me anything but you as a family are still down £50 Im sorry i cant put it any simpler for you. "I dont understand. Are you agreeing with Fabio there? | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....True you cant argue with stupid no matter how you dress it up show me a year since we have been in the eu when the uk was not a net contributor.
Put it this way you give me £100 and i will give your wife £50 yes she is a net beneficiary by £50 quid its not cost me anything but you as a family are still down £50 Im sorry i cant put it any simpler for you.
I dont understand.
Are you agreeing with Fabio there?"you obviously dont understand | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....True you cant argue with stupid no matter how you dress it up show me a year since we have been in the eu when the uk was not a net contributor.
Put it this way you give me £100 and i will give your wife £50 yes she is a net beneficiary by £50 quid its not cost me anything but you as a family are still down £50 Im sorry i cant put it any simpler for you.
I dont understand.
Are you agreeing with Fabio there?you obviously dont understand "Well you said you said true you cant argue with stupid (which implies you agree with him) But then your point about putting in more than you get out completely contradicts his point 'All these regions end up getting more money than they put in?(Fabio) .'and you are still down £50'(you) | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....True you cant argue with stupid no matter how you dress it up show me a year since we have been in the eu when the uk was not a net contributor.
Put it this way you give me £100 and i will give your wife £50 yes she is a net beneficiary by £50 quid its not cost me anything but you as a family are still down £50 Im sorry i cant put it any simpler for you.
I dont understand.
Are you agreeing with Fabio there?you obviously dont understand
Well you said you said true you cant argue with stupid (which implies you agree with him)
But then your point about putting in more than you get out completely contradicts his point
'All these regions end up getting more money than they put in?(Fabio)
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"One thing is certain. ! We were lucky. Brussels only brainwashed the minority. "Brainwashed with numerous tangible benefits proven by this thread? Yep spot on. | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....True you cant argue with stupid no matter how you dress it up show me a year since we have been in the eu when the uk was not a net contributor.
Put it this way you give me £100 and i will give your wife £50 yes she is a net beneficiary by £50 quid its not cost me anything but you as a family are still down £50 Im sorry i cant put it any simpler for you.
I dont understand.
Are you agreeing with Fabio there?you obviously dont understand
Well you said you said true you cant argue with stupid (which implies you agree with him)
But then your point about putting in more than you get out completely contradicts his point
'All these regions end up getting more money than they put in?(Fabio)
.'and you are still down £50'(you)try reading it again dummy im the eu _abio is the uk and his wife is cornwall.ffs i cant make it any clearer."Does your keyboard not have a shift key or Caps Lock? | |||
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"One thing is certain. ! We were lucky. Brussels only brainwashed the minority. "Which papers have been found to lie the most? Which nations press is the least trusted in Europe? | |||
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"An EU benefit - the ERASMUS scheme. British students could go to a European University for a year. " Is that stopping now? | |||
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"EU rules on environmental standards have generally pushed national governments to improve areas like water and air quality. Although we still need to do a lot more, it is largely the threat of infraction proceedings in the European Court which has made governments act. I am really not convinced UK gov. will not start trying to reduce environmental protections after Brexit." They just keep coming. Funny after 3 years,when asked the same questions,brexiteers struggle to come up with one bona fida bonus. | |||
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"EU rules on environmental standards have generally pushed national governments to improve areas like water and air quality. Although we still need to do a lot more, it is largely the threat of infraction proceedings in the European Court which has made governments act. I am really not convinced UK gov. will not start trying to reduce environmental protections after Brexit." Reducing environmental protections is one of the cornerstones of brexit. | |||
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"Unless you are a wealthy landowner or a company that seeks to use cheap labour, not a lot That airbus factory up the road.... eu money That airport in Liverpool just up the road.... eu money That lovely metro link in Manchester just up the road.... eu money cant you get it into your head it was uk money they took and gave a bit back. When has the uk ever not been a net contributor ?
I cannot believe people still keep coming out with stuff like this And they say we were conned.
Sometimes you just can’t reason with stupid... but let me try slowly.. one last time for the wilfully ignorant
this is what is called ignorance of the facts... let me explain
Because of poverty levels in parts of the uk... they were entitled to more regeneration money
Devon and Cornwall were in tier 1, South Wales was in tier 1, Scotland.. tier 1, Northern Ireland... tier 1, north east England.. tier1, rest of Wales... tier 2, north west England... tier 2, West Midlands.... tier 2
Because of this...ALL these regions ended up being net beneficiaries of EU money.... all the people in these regions ended up getting back more money from the eu than they ever put in....True you cant argue with stupid no matter how you dress it up show me a year since we have been in the eu when the uk was not a net contributor.
Put it this way you give me £100 and i will give your wife £50 yes she is a net beneficiary by £50 quid its not cost me anything but you as a family are still down £50 Im sorry i cant put it any simpler for you.
I dont understand.
Are you agreeing with Fabio there?you obviously dont understand
Well you said you said true you cant argue with stupid (which implies you agree with him)
But then your point about putting in more than you get out completely contradicts his point
'All these regions end up getting more money than they put in?(Fabio)
.'and you are still down £50'(you)try reading it again dummy im the eu _abio is the uk and his wife is cornwall.ffs i cant make it any clearer.
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"Were did they get the money from So I think today this thread has established that the total benefit of being in the EU was 1) We gave Brussels £18 billion a year, they gave us back £9 billion and told us what to spend it on 2) Er What was the second benefit again? " Can someone collate the above into a list for this persons benefit? | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath." The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government "Is it though? I've voted in every UK election since I could and my votes counted for nothing, at least in the EU election my vote actually counted. | |||
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"Were did they get the money from So I think today this thread has established that the total benefit of being in the EU was 1) We gave Brussels £18 billion a year, they gave us back £9 billion and told us what to spend it on 2) Er What was the second benefit again? " I have you a link which explains some of the benefits of EU membership. Otherwise there is a huge array of benefits for being in the EU. Have you not been paying attention to everything that's being lost over the past four years through brexit, do you genuinely not understand what's going on? | |||
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"I think we may have stumbled upon why brexiteers hate the eu so much. They plough money into area which need them. Ideas anathema to boris and his ilk.Wasnt it Michael Heseltine maggies minister who rejuvenated liverpool? i seem to remember Liverpool giving him freedom of the city. He disagreed with Thatcher approach. He didnt rejunecate the city.(how could he?) That was the objective 1 money You are so anti tory you just cant bring yourself to give him credit for anything. I find it sad that you are so filled with hate that you cannot even acknowledge what he did for your city. Luckily your way of thinking is very much in decline and people now are much more likely to give credit where its due. just like the labour mayor who gave him the freedom of the city." | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government "How would a different government be able to get EU funding back for Cornwall? | |||
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"Were did they get the money from So I think today this thread has established that the total benefit of being in the EU was 1) We gave Brussels £18 billion a year, they gave us back £9 billion and told us what to spend it on 2) Er What was the second benefit again? I have you a link which explains some of the benefits of EU membership. Otherwise there is a huge array of benefits for being in the EU. Have you not been paying attention to everything that's being lost over the past four years through brexit, do you genuinely not understand what's going on? " There's no point showing these people facts. They don't care. The EU is the 'baddy' in their juvenile little worlds and that's all that matters. Brexit has always been a toddler temper tantrum. | |||
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"Were did they get the money from So I think today this thread has established that the total benefit of being in the EU was 1) We gave Brussels £18 billion a year, they gave us back £9 billion and told us what to spend it on 2) Er What was the second benefit again? I have you a link which explains some of the benefits of EU membership. Otherwise there is a huge array of benefits for being in the EU. Have you not been paying attention to everything that's being lost over the past four years through brexit, do you genuinely not understand what's going on? There's no point showing these people facts. They don't care. The EU is the 'baddy' in their juvenile little worlds and that's all that matters. Brexit has always been a toddler temper tantrum. " Wahey! The good old insult route. But to be fair, they are new ones | |||
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"Were did they get the money from So I think today this thread has established that the total benefit of being in the EU was 1) We gave Brussels £18 billion a year, they gave us back £9 billion and told us what to spend it on 2) Er What was the second benefit again? I have you a link which explains some of the benefits of EU membership. Otherwise there is a huge array of benefits for being in the EU. Have you not been paying attention to everything that's being lost over the past four years through brexit, do you genuinely not understand what's going on? There's no point showing these people facts. They don't care. The EU is the 'baddy' in their juvenile little worlds and that's all that matters. Brexit has always been a toddler temper tantrum. Wahey! The good old insult route. But to be fair, they are new ones "This is from someone who pumps insults themselves..... | |||
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"Were did they get the money from So I think today this thread has established that the total benefit of being in the EU was 1) We gave Brussels £18 billion a year, they gave us back £9 billion and told us what to spend it on 2) Er What was the second benefit again? I have you a link which explains some of the benefits of EU membership. Otherwise there is a huge array of benefits for being in the EU. Have you not been paying attention to everything that's being lost over the past four years through brexit, do you genuinely not understand what's going on? There's no point showing these people facts. They don't care. The EU is the 'baddy' in their juvenile little worlds and that's all that matters. Brexit has always been a toddler temper tantrum. Wahey! The good old insult route. But to be fair, they are new ones
This is from someone who pumps insults themselves..... "When? | |||
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"Were did they get the money from So I think today this thread has established that the total benefit of being in the EU was 1) We gave Brussels £18 billion a year, they gave us back £9 billion and told us what to spend it on 2) Er What was the second benefit again? I have you a link which explains some of the benefits of EU membership. Otherwise there is a huge array of benefits for being in the EU. Have you not been paying attention to everything that's being lost over the past four years through brexit, do you genuinely not understand what's going on? There's no point showing these people facts. They don't care. The EU is the 'baddy' in their juvenile little worlds and that's all that matters. Brexit has always been a toddler temper tantrum. Wahey! The good old insult route. But to be fair, they are new ones
This is from someone who pumps insults themselves.....
When? "How about the use of Remoaner to start with.... | |||
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"Were did they get the money from So I think today this thread has established that the total benefit of being in the EU was 1) We gave Brussels £18 billion a year, they gave us back £9 billion and told us what to spend it on 2) Er What was the second benefit again? I have you a link which explains some of the benefits of EU membership. Otherwise there is a huge array of benefits for being in the EU. Have you not been paying attention to everything that's being lost over the past four years through brexit, do you genuinely not understand what's going on? There's no point showing these people facts. They don't care. The EU is the 'baddy' in their juvenile little worlds and that's all that matters. Brexit has always been a toddler temper tantrum. Wahey! The good old insult route. But to be fair, they are new ones
This is from someone who pumps insults themselves.....
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"Any solutions how you can ignore weirdos you stalk you around the forums? Simply stop acknowledging them and they mostly stop replying to you." I don't | |||
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"Any solutions how you can ignore weirdos you stalk you around the forums? Block them, then they aren’t allowed to comment on your posts, it worked for me "Sound..I'll try that | |||
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"Any solutions how you can ignore weirdos you stalk you around the forums? Block them, then they aren’t allowed to comment on your posts, it worked for me
How do you know you aren’t allowed to comment on certain posts if you don’t know who has blocked you?"Because you can let them politely know on here, you can get banned for it | |||
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"Any solutions how you can ignore weirdos you stalk you around the forums? Block them, then they aren’t allowed to comment on your posts, it worked for me
How do you know you aren’t allowed to comment on certain posts if you don’t know who has blocked you?
Because you can let them politely know on here, you can get banned for it "... which is why every so often in a thread a non quoted reply will be made ? | |||
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How do you know you aren’t allowed to comment on certain posts if you don’t know who has blocked you?
Because you can let them politely know on here, you can get banned for it
... which is why every so often in a thread a non quoted reply will be made ?"Probably, unfortunately there are a couple of trolls on here who always try and pick an argument , it is best to block abs ignore them | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
Is it though? I've voted in every UK election since I could and my votes counted for nothing, at least in the EU election my vote actually counted.
"So you haven’t managed to convince enough people of your arguments then. Maybe.... because it’s a weak argument? | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
How would a different government be able to get EU funding back for Cornwall?
"Have you not been paying attention? EU money for Cornwall doesn’t come from a magic money tree. We pay in 18 billion, they give us back 9 billion and tell us where to spend it. What a deal lol. | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
Is it though? I've voted in every UK election since I could and my votes counted for nothing, at least in the EU election my vote actually counted.
So you haven’t managed to convince enough people of your arguments then. Maybe.... because it’s a weak argument?"What is that even meant to mean? I'm pointing out to you that the first past the post system isn't as democratic a system as you think and you reply like that? | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
How would a different government be able to get EU funding back for Cornwall?
Have you not been paying attention? EU money for Cornwall doesn’t come from a magic money tree.
We pay in 18 billion, they give us back 9 billion and tell us where to spend it. What a deal lol."Maybe If the gmnt wasnt so utter corrupt and actually treated every area fairly, as opposed to its core base,they wouldn't have too. No one is complaining about what the EU have done here. | |||
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"So, genuine question, what did the EU, specifically Brussels, do for us? They actually did a lot for us through the European regeneration and development fund.... and places like the south west, wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and north east England were all net beneficiaries to the EU because of what came back.... And before you use the “well it was our money” argument ... I didn’t see our government dipped their money in....Well they could have if they hadn't been giving it to the eu in the 1st place for them to give a little back and they say brxiteers were fooled." Could and would are very different... The EU did though. | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
Is it though? I've voted in every UK election since I could and my votes counted for nothing, at least in the EU election my vote actually counted.
So you haven’t managed to convince enough people of your arguments then. Maybe.... because it’s a weak argument?
What is that even meant to mean? I'm pointing out to you that the first past the post system isn't as democratic a system as you think and you reply like that? "Ah right, you don’t like first pass the post. Simple, just campaign for the Liberal Democrat’s and you can have PR | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
Is it though? I've voted in every UK election since I could and my votes counted for nothing, at least in the EU election my vote actually counted.
So you haven’t managed to convince enough people of your arguments then. Maybe.... because it’s a weak argument?
What is that even meant to mean? I'm pointing out to you that the first past the post system isn't as democratic a system as you think and you reply like that?
Ah right, you don’t like first pass the post.
Simple, just campaign for the Liberal Democrat’s and you can have PR "I'm finding it hard to understand you are you implying I'm a politician? Do you think the first past the post system is fit for purpose? | |||
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"I remember reading a piece a while ago which said some parts of the UK were on a par with some of the poorest in europe,in terms of life expectancy. Yet in London you have houses costing millions and ostentatious wealth. Considering this inequality has been there for decades,and is widening, and to say 'well the gmnt would have made the difference,if not for the eu.'has no basis in fact or reality whatsoever." well that will be us in Teesside we have the lowest life expectancy in the U.K. I think and highest suicides but that’s been like that for decades Labour and torries | |||
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"So, genuine question, what did the EU, specifically Brussels, do for us? The eu has ploughed millions into liverpool and other areas. If people think that boris and his Chums would do they same, they should seek help. I also think being part of one of the biggest economies in the world,would have its own advantages." I agree the EU did a lot for Liverpool but joining the EU destroyed the Atlantic trade and the docks. Nobody knows what different UK governments might have done if we had never been in the EU. Boris has been in power for one year we have been in the EU for 40 years with many different governments so he is irrevilent in this discussion | |||
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"So, genuine question, what did the EU, specifically Brussels, do for us? The eu has ploughed millions into liverpool and other areas. If people think that boris and his Chums would do they same, they should seek help. I also think being part of one of the biggest economies in the world,would have its own advantages.I agree the EU did a lot for Liverpool but joining the EU destroyed the Atlantic trade and the docks. Nobody knows what different UK governments might have done if we had never been in the EU. Boris has been in power for one year we have been in the EU for 40 years with many different governments so he is irrevilent in this discussion" He is currently the PM of the UK, I know he is absolutely useless but it is a bit harsh saying he is irrelevant | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
Is it though? I've voted in every UK election since I could and my votes counted for nothing, at least in the EU election my vote actually counted.
So you haven’t managed to convince enough people of your arguments then. Maybe.... because it’s a weak argument?
What is that even meant to mean? I'm pointing out to you that the first past the post system isn't as democratic a system as you think and you reply like that?
Ah right, you don’t like first pass the post.
Simple, just campaign for the Liberal Democrat’s and you can have PR
I'm finding it hard to understand you are you implying I'm a politician?
Do you think the first past the post system is fit for purpose?"Oh right sorry, thought you knew everything Well you could have PR like Albania or Italy Oops not Italy unless you want weak and wobbly government. I’m not fully up to speed with Albania tbh. All I’m saying is if like most Remoaners if you think you can do better, put yourself up for election. Or are you just a critic on the sidelines unwilling to get in the arena. | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
Is it though? I've voted in every UK election since I could and my votes counted for nothing, at least in the EU election my vote actually counted.
So you haven’t managed to convince enough people of your arguments then. Maybe.... because it’s a weak argument?
What is that even meant to mean? I'm pointing out to you that the first past the post system isn't as democratic a system as you think and you reply like that?
Ah right, you don’t like first pass the post.
Simple, just campaign for the Liberal Democrat’s and you can have PR
I'm finding it hard to understand you are you implying I'm a politician?
Do you think the first past the post system is fit for purpose?
Oh right sorry, thought you knew everything
Well you could have PR like Albania or Italy
Oops not Italy unless you want weak and wobbly government. I’m not fully up to speed with Albania tbh.
All I’m saying is if like most Remoaners if you think you can do better, put yourself up for election.
Or are you just a critic on the sidelines unwilling to get in the arena.
"Great reply, are you standing for a party then? I just can't see how you can back a system that can return an outright winner with less votes than the runner up. | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
Is it though? I've voted in every UK election since I could and my votes counted for nothing, at least in the EU election my vote actually counted.
So you haven’t managed to convince enough people of your arguments then. Maybe.... because it’s a weak argument?
What is that even meant to mean? I'm pointing out to you that the first past the post system isn't as democratic a system as you think and you reply like that?
Ah right, you don’t like first pass the post.
Simple, just campaign for the Liberal Democrat’s and you can have PR
I'm finding it hard to understand you are you implying I'm a politician?
Do you think the first past the post system is fit for purpose?
Oh right sorry, thought you knew everything
Well you could have PR like Albania or Italy
Oops not Italy unless you want weak and wobbly government. I’m not fully up to speed with Albania tbh.
All I’m saying is if like most Remoaners if you think you can do better, put yourself up for election.
Or are you just a critic on the sidelines unwilling to get in the arena.
Great reply, are you standing for a party then? I just can't see how you can back a system that can return an outright winner with less votes than the runner up.
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
How would a different government be able to get EU funding back for Cornwall?
Have you not been paying attention? EU money for Cornwall doesn’t come from a magic money tree.
We pay in 18 billion, they give us back 9 billion and tell us where to spend it. What a deal lol.
Maybe If the gmnt wasnt so utter corrupt and actually treated every area fairly, as opposed to its core base,they wouldn't have too.
No one is complaining about what the EU have done here."But what is their core base now? The red wall seem to have realised that Labour no longer speaks for them or represents them and as long as they support Labour nothing improves for them. Now that they have elected the Tories maybe they will reap the benefits and the Tories will reward them and expand their 'core base' | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
Is it though? I've voted in every UK election since I could and my votes counted for nothing, at least in the EU election my vote actually counted.
So you haven’t managed to convince enough people of your arguments then. Maybe.... because it’s a weak argument?
What is that even meant to mean? I'm pointing out to you that the first past the post system isn't as democratic a system as you think and you reply like that?
Ah right, you don’t like first pass the post.
Simple, just campaign for the Liberal Democrat’s and you can have PR
I'm finding it hard to understand you are you implying I'm a politician?
Do you think the first past the post system is fit for purpose?
Oh right sorry, thought you knew everything
Well you could have PR like Albania or Italy
Oops not Italy unless you want weak and wobbly government. I’m not fully up to speed with Albania tbh.
All I’m saying is if like most Remoaners if you think you can do better, put yourself up for election.
Or are you just a critic on the sidelines unwilling to get in the arena.
Great reply, are you standing for a party then? I just can't see how you can back a system that can return an outright winner with less votes than the runner up.
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
How would a different government be able to get EU funding back for Cornwall?
Have you not been paying attention? EU money for Cornwall doesn’t come from a magic money tree.
We pay in 18 billion, they give us back 9 billion and tell us where to spend it. What a deal lol.
Maybe If the gmnt wasnt so utter corrupt and actually treated every area fairly, as opposed to its core base,they wouldn't have too.
No one is complaining about what the EU have done here.
But what is their core base now? The red wall seem to have realised that Labour no longer speaks for them or represents them and as long as they support Labour nothing improves for them. Now that they have elected the Tories maybe they will reap the benefits and the Tories will reward them and expand their 'core base' "They've decided a bunch of old Etonians stand for them now! wonder how that will turn out for them? | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
Is it though? I've voted in every UK election since I could and my votes counted for nothing, at least in the EU election my vote actually counted.
So you haven’t managed to convince enough people of your arguments then. Maybe.... because it’s a weak argument?
What is that even meant to mean? I'm pointing out to you that the first past the post system isn't as democratic a system as you think and you reply like that?
Ah right, you don’t like first pass the post.
Simple, just campaign for the Liberal Democrat’s and you can have PR
I'm finding it hard to understand you are you implying I'm a politician?
Do you think the first past the post system is fit for purpose?
Oh right sorry, thought you knew everything
Well you could have PR like Albania or Italy
Oops not Italy unless you want weak and wobbly government. I’m not fully up to speed with Albania tbh.
All I’m saying is if like most Remoaners if you think you can do better, put yourself up for election.
Or are you just a critic on the sidelines unwilling to get in the arena.
Great reply, are you standing for a party then? I just can't see how you can back a system that can return an outright winner with less votes than the runner up.
At the moment I have put my political ambitions on hold seeing as the Brexit argument has been won. You will be the first to know if I decide to stand for election in future however."So, you keep on bringing up 'democracy' but you are quite happy with a system where the party with the majority of votes can loose and a massive proportion of the votes don't count? | |||
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"I remember reading a piece a while ago which said some parts of the UK were on a par with some of the poorest in europe,in terms of life expectancy. Yet in London you have houses costing millions and ostentatious wealth. Considering this inequality has been there for decades,and is widening, and to say 'well the gmnt would have made the difference,if not for the eu.'has no basis in fact or reality whatsoever.well that will be us in Teesside we have the lowest life expectancy in the U.K. I think and highest suicides but that’s been like that for decades Labour and torries " You realise that apart from blair..the tories have been in power since 1979? | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
How would a different government be able to get EU funding back for Cornwall?
Have you not been paying attention? EU money for Cornwall doesn’t come from a magic money tree.
We pay in 18 billion, they give us back 9 billion and tell us where to spend it. What a deal lol.
Maybe If the gmnt wasnt so utter corrupt and actually treated every area fairly, as opposed to its core base,they wouldn't have too.
No one is complaining about what the EU have done here.
But what is their core base now? The red wall seem to have realised that Labour no longer speaks for them or represents them and as long as they support Labour nothing improves for them. Now that they have elected the Tories maybe they will reap the benefits and the Tories will reward them and expand their 'core base'
They've decided a bunch of old Etonians stand for them now! wonder how that will turn out for them?"Time will tell won't it. Supporting Labour hasn't got them very far has it? | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
How would a different government be able to get EU funding back for Cornwall?
Have you not been paying attention? EU money for Cornwall doesn’t come from a magic money tree.
We pay in 18 billion, they give us back 9 billion and tell us where to spend it. What a deal lol.
Maybe If the gmnt wasnt so utter corrupt and actually treated every area fairly, as opposed to its core base,they wouldn't have too.
No one is complaining about what the EU have done here.
But what is their core base now? The red wall seem to have realised that Labour no longer speaks for them or represents them and as long as they support Labour nothing improves for them. Now that they have elected the Tories maybe they will reap the benefits and the Tories will reward them and expand their 'core base' "And ignore london and the south? | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
How would a different government be able to get EU funding back for Cornwall?
Have you not been paying attention? EU money for Cornwall doesn’t come from a magic money tree.
We pay in 18 billion, they give us back 9 billion and tell us where to spend it. What a deal lol.
Maybe If the gmnt wasnt so utter corrupt and actually treated every area fairly, as opposed to its core base,they wouldn't have too.
No one is complaining about what the EU have done here.
But what is their core base now? The red wall seem to have realised that Labour no longer speaks for them or represents them and as long as they support Labour nothing improves for them. Now that they have elected the Tories maybe they will reap the benefits and the Tories will reward them and expand their 'core base'
They've decided a bunch of old Etonians stand for them now! wonder how that will turn out for them?
Time will tell won't it. Supporting Labour hasn't got them very far has it? "Yeah it will, those borrowed votes were exactly that. | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
How would a different government be able to get EU funding back for Cornwall?
Have you not been paying attention? EU money for Cornwall doesn’t come from a magic money tree.
We pay in 18 billion, they give us back 9 billion and tell us where to spend it. What a deal lol.
Maybe If the gmnt wasnt so utter corrupt and actually treated every area fairly, as opposed to its core base,they wouldn't have too.
No one is complaining about what the EU have done here.
But what is their core base now? The red wall seem to have realised that Labour no longer speaks for them or represents them and as long as they support Labour nothing improves for them. Now that they have elected the Tories maybe they will reap the benefits and the Tories will reward them and expand their 'core base'
And ignore london and the south?"Why ignore anywhere? You are living in the past | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
How would a different government be able to get EU funding back for Cornwall?
Have you not been paying attention? EU money for Cornwall doesn’t come from a magic money tree.
We pay in 18 billion, they give us back 9 billion and tell us where to spend it. What a deal lol.
Maybe If the gmnt wasnt so utter corrupt and actually treated every area fairly, as opposed to its core base,they wouldn't have too.
No one is complaining about what the EU have done here.
But what is their core base now? The red wall seem to have realised that Labour no longer speaks for them or represents them and as long as they support Labour nothing improves for them. Now that they have elected the Tories maybe they will reap the benefits and the Tories will reward them and expand their 'core base'
And ignore london and the south?
Why ignore anywhere? You are living in the past "Well the way they handled the tiering system seemed to indicate they have preferences. | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
How would a different government be able to get EU funding back for Cornwall?
Have you not been paying attention? EU money for Cornwall doesn’t come from a magic money tree.
We pay in 18 billion, they give us back 9 billion and tell us where to spend it. What a deal lol.
Maybe If the gmnt wasnt so utter corrupt and actually treated every area fairly, as opposed to its core base,they wouldn't have too.
No one is complaining about what the EU have done here.
But what is their core base now? The red wall seem to have realised that Labour no longer speaks for them or represents them and as long as they support Labour nothing improves for them. Now that they have elected the Tories maybe they will reap the benefits and the Tories will reward them and expand their 'core base'
They've decided a bunch of old Etonians stand for them now! wonder how that will turn out for them?
Time will tell won't it. Supporting Labour hasn't got them very far has it?
Yeah it will, those borrowed votes were exactly that."Yes because they gave them what they wanted. If they do the same next time they are gone from Labour for good | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
How would a different government be able to get EU funding back for Cornwall?
Have you not been paying attention? EU money for Cornwall doesn’t come from a magic money tree.
We pay in 18 billion, they give us back 9 billion and tell us where to spend it. What a deal lol.
Maybe If the gmnt wasnt so utter corrupt and actually treated every area fairly, as opposed to its core base,they wouldn't have too.
No one is complaining about what the EU have done here.
But what is their core base now? The red wall seem to have realised that Labour no longer speaks for them or represents them and as long as they support Labour nothing improves for them. Now that they have elected the Tories maybe they will reap the benefits and the Tories will reward them and expand their 'core base'
They've decided a bunch of old Etonians stand for them now! wonder how that will turn out for them?
Time will tell won't it. Supporting Labour hasn't got them very far has it?
Yeah it will, those borrowed votes were exactly that.
Yes because they gave them what they wanted. If they do the same next time they are gone from Labour for good "It's going to be hard to appeal to them without a xenophobic main policy though. | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
Is it though? I've voted in every UK election since I could and my votes counted for nothing, at least in the EU election my vote actually counted.
So you haven’t managed to convince enough people of your arguments then. Maybe.... because it’s a weak argument?
What is that even meant to mean? I'm pointing out to you that the first past the post system isn't as democratic a system as you think and you reply like that?
Ah right, you don’t like first pass the post.
Simple, just campaign for the Liberal Democrat’s and you can have PR
I'm finding it hard to understand you are you implying I'm a politician?
Do you think the first past the post system is fit for purpose?
Oh right sorry, thought you knew everything
Well you could have PR like Albania or Italy
Oops not Italy unless you want weak and wobbly government. I’m not fully up to speed with Albania tbh.
All I’m saying is if like most Remoaners if you think you can do better, put yourself up for election.
Or are you just a critic on the sidelines unwilling to get in the arena.
Great reply, are you standing for a party then? I just can't see how you can back a system that can return an outright winner with less votes than the runner up.
At the moment I have put my political ambitions on hold seeing as the Brexit argument has been won. You will be the first to know if I decide to stand for election in future however.
So, you keep on bringing up 'democracy' but you are quite happy with a system where the party with the majority of votes can loose and a massive proportion of the votes don't count? "Once again, you can’t propose anything better, you just moan. As Churchill said, it’s the worst possible voting system, apart from all those other ones. | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
Is it though? I've voted in every UK election since I could and my votes counted for nothing, at least in the EU election my vote actually counted.
So you haven’t managed to convince enough people of your arguments then. Maybe.... because it’s a weak argument?
What is that even meant to mean? I'm pointing out to you that the first past the post system isn't as democratic a system as you think and you reply like that?
Ah right, you don’t like first pass the post.
Simple, just campaign for the Liberal Democrat’s and you can have PR
I'm finding it hard to understand you are you implying I'm a politician?
Do you think the first past the post system is fit for purpose?
Oh right sorry, thought you knew everything
Well you could have PR like Albania or Italy
Oops not Italy unless you want weak and wobbly government. I’m not fully up to speed with Albania tbh.
All I’m saying is if like most Remoaners if you think you can do better, put yourself up for election.
Or are you just a critic on the sidelines unwilling to get in the arena.
Great reply, are you standing for a party then? I just can't see how you can back a system that can return an outright winner with less votes than the runner up.
At the moment I have put my political ambitions on hold seeing as the Brexit argument has been won. You will be the first to know if I decide to stand for election in future however.
So, you keep on bringing up 'democracy' but you are quite happy with a system where the party with the majority of votes can loose and a massive proportion of the votes don't count?
Once again, you can’t propose anything better, you just moan.
As Churchill said, it’s the worst possible voting system, apart from all those other ones. "funny you mention him he won the 1951 election with less votes than Attlee. | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
How would a different government be able to get EU funding back for Cornwall?
Have you not been paying attention? EU money for Cornwall doesn’t come from a magic money tree.
We pay in 18 billion, they give us back 9 billion and tell us where to spend it. What a deal lol.
Maybe If the gmnt wasnt so utter corrupt and actually treated every area fairly, as opposed to its core base,they wouldn't have too.
No one is complaining about what the EU have done here.
But what is their core base now? The red wall seem to have realised that Labour no longer speaks for them or represents them and as long as they support Labour nothing improves for them. Now that they have elected the Tories maybe they will reap the benefits and the Tories will reward them and expand their 'core base'
And ignore london and the south?
Why ignore anywhere? You are living in the past "Ha ha really? Did I just imagine 8 years of austerity? So you are saying the man who can barely string a sentence together,will boost the post covid economy, ensure a smooth brexit and will level up the north so it's on a par with the south? Give us a shout when its done | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
Is it though? I've voted in every UK election since I could and my votes counted for nothing, at least in the EU election my vote actually counted.
So you haven’t managed to convince enough people of your arguments then. Maybe.... because it’s a weak argument?
What is that even meant to mean? I'm pointing out to you that the first past the post system isn't as democratic a system as you think and you reply like that?
Ah right, you don’t like first pass the post.
Simple, just campaign for the Liberal Democrat’s and you can have PR
I'm finding it hard to understand you are you implying I'm a politician?
Do you think the first past the post system is fit for purpose?
Oh right sorry, thought you knew everything
Well you could have PR like Albania or Italy
Oops not Italy unless you want weak and wobbly government. I’m not fully up to speed with Albania tbh.
All I’m saying is if like most Remoaners if you think you can do better, put yourself up for election.
Or are you just a critic on the sidelines unwilling to get in the arena.
Great reply, are you standing for a party then? I just can't see how you can back a system that can return an outright winner with less votes than the runner up.
At the moment I have put my political ambitions on hold seeing as the Brexit argument has been won. You will be the first to know if I decide to stand for election in future however.
So, you keep on bringing up 'democracy' but you are quite happy with a system where the party with the majority of votes can loose and a massive proportion of the votes don't count?
Once again, you can’t propose anything better, you just moan.
As Churchill said, it’s the worst possible voting system, apart from all those other ones. "And you got the quote wrong too! He was on about democracy not the FPTP system, but well done for trying to bastardise it. | |||
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"I remember reading a piece a while ago which said some parts of the UK were on a par with some of the poorest in europe,in terms of life expectancy. Yet in London you have houses costing millions and ostentatious wealth. Considering this inequality has been there for decades,and is widening, and to say 'well the gmnt would have made the difference,if not for the eu.'has no basis in fact or reality whatsoever.well that will be us in Teesside we have the lowest life expectancy in the U.K. I think and highest suicides but that’s been like that for decades Labour and torries You realise that apart from blair..the tories have been in power since 1979?" yes of corse but you say that like we had a long life before 1979 the steel chemical and coal industries arnt good for long life expectancy’s can’t pin everything on the torries bud lol | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
How would a different government be able to get EU funding back for Cornwall?
Have you not been paying attention? EU money for Cornwall doesn’t come from a magic money tree.
We pay in 18 billion, they give us back 9 billion and tell us where to spend it. What a deal lol.
Maybe If the gmnt wasnt so utter corrupt and actually treated every area fairly, as opposed to its core base,they wouldn't have too.
No one is complaining about what the EU have done here.
But what is their core base now? The red wall seem to have realised that Labour no longer speaks for them or represents them and as long as they support Labour nothing improves for them. Now that they have elected the Tories maybe they will reap the benefits and the Tories will reward them and expand their 'core base'
They've decided a bunch of old Etonians stand for them now! wonder how that will turn out for them?
Time will tell won't it. Supporting Labour hasn't got them very far has it?
Yeah it will, those borrowed votes were exactly that.
Yes because they gave them what they wanted. If they do the same next time they are gone from Labour for good "https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/09/covid-driven-recession-likely-to-push-2m-uk-families-into-poverty Grinding poverty? | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
Is it though? I've voted in every UK election since I could and my votes counted for nothing, at least in the EU election my vote actually counted.
So you haven’t managed to convince enough people of your arguments then. Maybe.... because it’s a weak argument?
What is that even meant to mean? I'm pointing out to you that the first past the post system isn't as democratic a system as you think and you reply like that?
Ah right, you don’t like first pass the post.
Simple, just campaign for the Liberal Democrat’s and you can have PR
I'm finding it hard to understand you are you implying I'm a politician?
Do you think the first past the post system is fit for purpose?
Oh right sorry, thought you knew everything
Well you could have PR like Albania or Italy
Oops not Italy unless you want weak and wobbly government. I’m not fully up to speed with Albania tbh.
All I’m saying is if like most Remoaners if you think you can do better, put yourself up for election.
Or are you just a critic on the sidelines unwilling to get in the arena.
Great reply, are you standing for a party then? I just can't see how you can back a system that can return an outright winner with less votes than the runner up.
At the moment I have put my political ambitions on hold seeing as the Brexit argument has been won. You will be the first to know if I decide to stand for election in future however.
So, you keep on bringing up 'democracy' but you are quite happy with a system where the party with the majority of votes can loose and a massive proportion of the votes don't count?
Once again, you can’t propose anything better, you just moan.
As Churchill said, it’s the worst possible voting system, apart from all those other ones.
And you got the quote wrong too!
He was on about democracy not the FPTP system, but well done for trying to bastardise it."Seeing as Britain was still FPTP the meaning of the quote was correct. Go on, humour me, just make one positive suggestion | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
Is it though? I've voted in every UK election since I could and my votes counted for nothing, at least in the EU election my vote actually counted.
So you haven’t managed to convince enough people of your arguments then. Maybe.... because it’s a weak argument?
What is that even meant to mean? I'm pointing out to you that the first past the post system isn't as democratic a system as you think and you reply like that?
Ah right, you don’t like first pass the post.
Simple, just campaign for the Liberal Democrat’s and you can have PR
I'm finding it hard to understand you are you implying I'm a politician?
Do you think the first past the post system is fit for purpose?
Oh right sorry, thought you knew everything
Well you could have PR like Albania or Italy
Oops not Italy unless you want weak and wobbly government. I’m not fully up to speed with Albania tbh.
All I’m saying is if like most Remoaners if you think you can do better, put yourself up for election.
Or are you just a critic on the sidelines unwilling to get in the arena.
Great reply, are you standing for a party then? I just can't see how you can back a system that can return an outright winner with less votes than the runner up.
At the moment I have put my political ambitions on hold seeing as the Brexit argument has been won. You will be the first to know if I decide to stand for election in future however.
So, you keep on bringing up 'democracy' but you are quite happy with a system where the party with the majority of votes can loose and a massive proportion of the votes don't count?
Once again, you can’t propose anything better, you just moan.
As Churchill said, it’s the worst possible voting system, apart from all those other ones.
And you got the quote wrong too!
He was on about democracy not the FPTP system, but well done for trying to bastardise it.
Seeing as Britain was still FPTP the meaning of the quote was correct.
Go on, humour me, just make one positive suggestion "Why alter the quote then? | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
How would a different government be able to get EU funding back for Cornwall?
Have you not been paying attention? EU money for Cornwall doesn’t come from a magic money tree.
We pay in 18 billion, they give us back 9 billion and tell us where to spend it. What a deal lol."Okay so you don't understand what the money we pay into the EU goes towards and what it buys us into. How would a different government get this money back to Cornwall? You seem to think a different government can do this. Access to trade freely within the EU is worth more to the UK economy than we pay in. It's mind boggling how poor some people's understanding of the situation is. | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
How would a different government be able to get EU funding back for Cornwall?
Have you not been paying attention? EU money for Cornwall doesn’t come from a magic money tree.
We pay in 18 billion, they give us back 9 billion and tell us where to spend it. What a deal lol.
Okay so you don't understand what the money we pay into the EU goes towards and what it buys us into.
How would a different government get this money back to Cornwall? You seem to think a different government can do this.
Access to trade freely within the EU is worth more to the UK economy than we pay in.
It's mind boggling how poor some people's understanding of the situation is.
"I wouldn't bother trying to argue that point with this user, even though it's obviously true looking at any analysis, they'll tell you economist are in the pocket of those who pay or something similar. This is when they're not making up quote and attributing them to ex PMs | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
How would a different government be able to get EU funding back for Cornwall?
Have you not been paying attention? EU money for Cornwall doesn’t come from a magic money tree.
We pay in 18 billion, they give us back 9 billion and tell us where to spend it. What a deal lol.
Okay so you don't understand what the money we pay into the EU goes towards and what it buys us into.
How would a different government get this money back to Cornwall? You seem to think a different government can do this.
Access to trade freely within the EU is worth more to the UK economy than we pay in.
It's mind boggling how poor some people's understanding of the situation is.
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
How would a different government be able to get EU funding back for Cornwall?
Have you not been paying attention? EU money for Cornwall doesn’t come from a magic money tree.
We pay in 18 billion, they give us back 9 billion and tell us where to spend it. What a deal lol.
Okay so you don't understand what the money we pay into the EU goes towards and what it buys us into.
How would a different government get this money back to Cornwall? You seem to think a different government can do this.
Access to trade freely within the EU is worth more to the UK economy than we pay in.
It's mind boggling how poor some people's understanding of the situation is.
"Tariffs or no tariffs is a zero sum game. No country would impose tariffs otherwise. That’s why the EU is a rapidly declining market, there’s no net trading advantage and when you couple that with zero reform you get the end of the Empire. | |||
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"Cornwall got funding from the eu They voted for Brexit and boris told them,they would get the same money from central gmnt Staggeringly he wasnt be completely honest. They are getting much less. Apparently only 5% of what they received from the EU. Awful for the Cornish people who didn't vote for brexit and who are stuck dealing with the aftermath. The beauty of democracy is that if you think it’s unfair, you can vote in a different UK government
How would a different government be able to get EU funding back for Cornwall?
Have you not been paying attention? EU money for Cornwall doesn’t come from a magic money tree.
We pay in 18 billion, they give us back 9 billion and tell us where to spend it. What a deal lol.
Okay so you don't understand what the money we pay into the EU goes towards and what it buys us into.
How would a different government get this money back to Cornwall? You seem to think a different government can do this.
Access to trade freely within the EU is worth more to the UK economy than we pay in.
It's mind boggling how poor some people's understanding of the situation is.
Tariffs or no tariffs is a zero sum game. No country would impose tariffs otherwise. That’s why the EU is a rapidly declining market, there’s no net trading advantage and when you couple that with zero reform you get the end of the Empire. "I think you inadvertently highlight an interesting point about the role the media played in the referendum. Assuming your level of misunderstanding is relatively common among brexiteers. What's interesting is, to see that you still believe the rhetoric from 2016 leaver campaigns, and the right wing media, which has all since been debunked a million times over. | |||
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"One thing is certain. ! We were lucky. Brussels only brainwashed the minority.
Brainwashed with numerous tangible benefits proven by this thread?
Yep spot on.
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"So, genuine question, what did the EU, specifically Brussels, do for us?" What did you do to take advantage of the opportunities that EU Membership offered you? Did you take advantage of seamless import and export opportunities? Did you or your kids educate themselves or work in the EU without let or hinderance? The answer to your question is actually in your question. Millions of people in this country were so disenfranchised by our own political system here in the U.K., that EU opportunities may as well have been Martian benefits. Being at the heart of the Eu and influencing its direction was an inherently good thing and was recognised as such by prior Conservative Governments. Sadly, they subsequently fucked over the population so badly that anything outside the here and now for millions of Brits seemed irrelevant. | |||
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