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"Good to see. And even better to see The players in the champions league match walk off the pitch. Embarrass them into action. " you're right, that's the way to go but as far as the PSG game goes, without all the details I'm not sure if that was the right thing to do | |||
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"When their players hold an anti-racism banner before the match last night. I wonder if their detractors would like to comment? " I don't really understand the point you are trying to make? Are you singling out something that should be taken for granted in the 21st century? | |||
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"When their players hold an anti-racism banner before the match last night. I wonder if their detractors would like to comment? I don't really understand the point you are trying to make? Are you singling out something that should be taken for granted in the 21st century?" No. If you don't understand the point then maybe best to give this thread a miss eh | |||
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"When their players hold an anti-racism banner before the match last night. I wonder if their detractors would like to comment? I don't really understand the point you are trying to make? Are you singling out something that should be taken for granted in the 21st century? No. If you don't understand the point then maybe best to give this thread a miss eh" What is the point? It sounds like, "I didn't hit a granny this week! how do the detractors that had a go at me last week for hitting a granny feel about this? | |||
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"I’m increasingly suspecting the Take the Knee idea is outdated, especially when not universally done within a team, and is sending out the wrong signals. Perhaps the clapping was a sign the fans support equality and wanted to make it known in a different way. I fear the Every Action has a Reaction rebound on BLM and Taking the Knee- it’s time to move on and discuss and change and stop token gestures. As for teams walking off the pitch because, reportedly, an official from another country points out a black player sitting amongst a group of white players by colour- is that really racist? Would anybody call it racist the other way around? It is time to have proper joined up conversations about racism, the proper conversation about slavery and the boundaries of tolerance rewritten." well said. And funnily enough QPR, possibly the most diverse club in the country, have not been taking the knee this season, Les Ferdinand their director of football is against it and his thoughts on it are easy enough to find online rather than me repeating them here | |||
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"I’m increasingly suspecting the Take the Knee idea is outdated, especially when not universally done within a team, and is sending out the wrong signals. Perhaps the clapping was a sign the fans support equality and wanted to make it known in a different way. I fear the Every Action has a Reaction rebound on BLM and Taking the Knee- it’s time to move on and discuss and change and stop token gestures. As for teams walking off the pitch because, reportedly, an official from another country points out a black player sitting amongst a group of white players by colour- is that really racist? Would anybody call it racist the other way around? It is time to have proper joined up conversations about racism, the proper conversation about slavery and the boundaries of tolerance rewritten. well said. And funnily enough QPR, possibly the most diverse club in the country, have not been taking the knee this season, Les Ferdinand their director of football is against it and his thoughts on it are easy enough to find online rather than me repeating them here "They took the knee the other night. | |||
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"I’m increasingly suspecting the Take the Knee idea is outdated, especially when not universally done within a team, and is sending out the wrong signals. Perhaps the clapping was a sign the fans support equality and wanted to make it known in a different way. I fear the Every Action has a Reaction rebound on BLM and Taking the Knee- it’s time to move on and discuss and change and stop token gestures. As for teams walking off the pitch because, reportedly, an official from another country points out a black player sitting amongst a group of white players by colour- is that really racist? Would anybody call it racist the other way around? It is time to have proper joined up conversations about racism, the proper conversation about slavery and the boundaries of tolerance rewritten." There is probally a grown up debate to be had about the whole issue. Booing it was probally not the best way to go about it but I'm quite surprised what millwall did. | |||
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"I’m increasingly suspecting the Take the Knee idea is outdated, especially when not universally done within a team, and is sending out the wrong signals. Perhaps the clapping was a sign the fans support equality and wanted to make it known in a different way. I fear the Every Action has a Reaction rebound on BLM and Taking the Knee- it’s time to move on and discuss and change and stop token gestures. As for teams walking off the pitch because, reportedly, an official from another country points out a black player sitting amongst a group of white players by colour- is that really racist? Would anybody call it racist the other way around? It is time to have proper joined up conversations about racism, the proper conversation about slavery and the boundaries of tolerance rewritten. well said. And funnily enough QPR, possibly the most diverse club in the country, have not been taking the knee this season, Les Ferdinand their director of football is against it and his thoughts on it are easy enough to find online rather than me repeating them here
They took the knee the other night."To demonstrate that they were free to do so if they liked, that was not an empty gesture and the Millwall fans applauded both sets of players | |||
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"I’m increasingly suspecting the Take the Knee idea is outdated, especially when not universally done within a team, and is sending out the wrong signals. Perhaps the clapping was a sign the fans support equality and wanted to make it known in a different way. I fear the Every Action has a Reaction rebound on BLM and Taking the Knee- it’s time to move on and discuss and change and stop token gestures. As for teams walking off the pitch because, reportedly, an official from another country points out a black player sitting amongst a group of white players by colour- is that really racist? Would anybody call it racist the other way around? It is time to have proper joined up conversations about racism, the proper conversation about slavery and the boundaries of tolerance rewritten. There is probally a grown up debate to be had about the whole issue. Booing it was probally not the best way to go about it but I'm quite surprised what millwall did." What do you mean surprised what Millwall did? | |||
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"I’m increasingly suspecting the Take the Knee idea is outdated, especially when not universally done within a team, and is sending out the wrong signals. Perhaps the clapping was a sign the fans support equality and wanted to make it known in a different way. I fear the Every Action has a Reaction rebound on BLM and Taking the Knee- it’s time to move on and discuss and change and stop token gestures. As for teams walking off the pitch because, reportedly, an official from another country points out a black player sitting amongst a group of white players by colour- is that really racist? Would anybody call it racist the other way around? It is time to have proper joined up conversations about racism, the proper conversation about slavery and the boundaries of tolerance rewritten. well said. And funnily enough QPR, possibly the most diverse club in the country, have not been taking the knee this season, Les Ferdinand their director of football is against it and his thoughts on it are easy enough to find online rather than me repeating them here
They took the knee the other night.
To demonstrate that they were free to do so if they liked, that was not an empty gesture and the Millwall fans applauded both sets of players "So when you said they were not taking the knee? | |||
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"I’m increasingly suspecting the Take the Knee idea is outdated, especially when not universally done within a team, and is sending out the wrong signals. Perhaps the clapping was a sign the fans support equality and wanted to make it known in a different way. I fear the Every Action has a Reaction rebound on BLM and Taking the Knee- it’s time to move on and discuss and change and stop token gestures. As for teams walking off the pitch because, reportedly, an official from another country points out a black player sitting amongst a group of white players by colour- is that really racist? Would anybody call it racist the other way around? It is time to have proper joined up conversations about racism, the proper conversation about slavery and the boundaries of tolerance rewritten. well said. And funnily enough QPR, possibly the most diverse club in the country, have not been taking the knee this season, Les Ferdinand their director of football is against it and his thoughts on it are easy enough to find online rather than me repeating them here
They took the knee the other night.
To demonstrate that they were free to do so if they liked, that was not an empty gesture and the Millwall fans applauded both sets of players
So when you said they were not taking the knee?"In previous games this season!!!! | |||
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"I’m increasingly suspecting the Take the Knee idea is outdated, especially when not universally done within a team, and is sending out the wrong signals. Perhaps the clapping was a sign the fans support equality and wanted to make it known in a different way. I fear the Every Action has a Reaction rebound on BLM and Taking the Knee- it’s time to move on and discuss and change and stop token gestures. As for teams walking off the pitch because, reportedly, an official from another country points out a black player sitting amongst a group of white players by colour- is that really racist? Would anybody call it racist the other way around? It is time to have proper joined up conversations about racism, the proper conversation about slavery and the boundaries of tolerance rewritten. well said. And funnily enough QPR, possibly the most diverse club in the country, have not been taking the knee this season, Les Ferdinand their director of football is against it and his thoughts on it are easy enough to find online rather than me repeating them here
They took the knee the other night.
To demonstrate that they were free to do so if they liked, that was not an empty gesture and the Millwall fans applauded both sets of players
So when you said they were not taking the knee?"Why are you highlighting what should be normal behaviour as good? Did you think the original booing was acceptable? | |||
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"I’m increasingly suspecting the Take the Knee idea is outdated, especially when not universally done within a team, and is sending out the wrong signals. Perhaps the clapping was a sign the fans support equality and wanted to make it known in a different way. I fear the Every Action has a Reaction rebound on BLM and Taking the Knee- it’s time to move on and discuss and change and stop token gestures. As for teams walking off the pitch because, reportedly, an official from another country points out a black player sitting amongst a group of white players by colour- is that really racist? Would anybody call it racist the other way around? It is time to have proper joined up conversations about racism, the proper conversation about slavery and the boundaries of tolerance rewritten. well said. And funnily enough QPR, possibly the most diverse club in the country, have not been taking the knee this season, Les Ferdinand their director of football is against it and his thoughts on it are easy enough to find online rather than me repeating them here
They took the knee the other night.
To demonstrate that they were free to do so if they liked, that was not an empty gesture and the Millwall fans applauded both sets of players
So when you said they were not taking the knee?
Why are you highlighting what should be normal behaviour as good?
Did you think the original booing was acceptable?"When did I say that? | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW." Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years." Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? " We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. " PMSL 
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist? | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist? "Of Course I do, but that just isn't the point you are trying to make. If it was quote him. You are trying to excuse the original actions. | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist? "Would you have booed? | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?"Absolutely!! | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!! "Why? | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?"Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread  | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread "Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic. What would you do to combat discrimination in the game? | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread
Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic.
What would you do to combat discrimination in the game?"Did the England team players choose to give a Nazi salute in 1938? What do you think would have happened to any player that didn't? What would I do? I don't know I'm not involved closely enough with football but for a start I would listen to people like Les Ferdinand before listening to what BLM have to say | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread
Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic.
What would you do to combat discrimination in the game?"Wait a minute. This other guy is actually arguing that the racists who were booing people making an anti racist gesture. Are in fact. Not racists, and would have joined them. Flabbergasted. | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread
Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic.
What would you do to combat discrimination in the game?
Did the England team players choose to give a Nazi salute in 1938? What do you think would have happened to any player that didn't?
What would I do? I don't know I'm not involved closely enough with football but for a start I would listen to people like Les Ferdinand before listening to what BLM have to say "The foreign office advised them do it for diplomatic reasons. Pesky facts again. | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread
Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic.
What would you do to combat discrimination in the game?
Did the England team players choose to give a Nazi salute in 1938? What do you think would have happened to any player that didn't?
What would I do? I don't know I'm not involved closely enough with football but for a start I would listen to people like Les Ferdinand before listening to what BLM have to say "Have you heard of Goodwin's law? Les Ferdinand was basically saying it's lost it's meaning, he did not say he disagreed with the sentiment so lets clear that up. | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread
Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic.
What would you do to combat discrimination in the game?
Wait a minute. This other guy is actually arguing that the racists who were booing people making an anti racist gesture. Are in fact. Not racists, and would have joined them.
Flabbergasted."So the people who were booing are racists are they? | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread
Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic.
What would you do to combat discrimination in the game?
Did the England team players choose to give a Nazi salute in 1938? What do you think would have happened to any player that didn't?
What would I do? I don't know I'm not involved closely enough with football but for a start I would listen to people like Les Ferdinand before listening to what BLM have to say
Have you heard of Goodwin's law? Les Ferdinand was basically saying it's lost it's meaning, he did not say he disagreed with the sentiment so lets clear that up. "FFS I did not say he disagreed with the sentiment did I? | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread
Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic.
What would you do to combat discrimination in the game?
Did the England team players choose to give a Nazi salute in 1938? What do you think would have happened to any player that didn't?
What would I do? I don't know I'm not involved closely enough with football but for a start I would listen to people like Les Ferdinand before listening to what BLM have to say
Have you heard of Goodwin's law? Les Ferdinand was basically saying it's lost it's meaning, he did not say he disagreed with the sentiment so lets clear that up.
FFS I did not say he disagreed with the sentiment did I? "Why are you comparing him to BLM then? | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread
Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic.
What would you do to combat discrimination in the game?
Did the England team players choose to give a Nazi salute in 1938? What do you think would have happened to any player that didn't?
What would I do? I don't know I'm not involved closely enough with football but for a start I would listen to people like Les Ferdinand before listening to what BLM have to say
The foreign office advised them do it for diplomatic reasons.
Pesky facts again."Advised? You mean ordered | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread
Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic.
What would you do to combat discrimination in the game?
Wait a minute. This other guy is actually arguing that the racists who were booing people making an anti racist gesture. Are in fact. Not racists, and would have joined them.
Flabbergasted.
So the people who were booing are racists are they? "Undoubtedly a lot would have been, I'm not saying they all would have been, are you saying ALL of them were booing for political reasons? | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread
Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic.
What would you do to combat discrimination in the game?
Did the England team players choose to give a Nazi salute in 1938? What do you think would have happened to any player that didn't?
What would I do? I don't know I'm not involved closely enough with football but for a start I would listen to people like Les Ferdinand before listening to what BLM have to say
Have you heard of Goodwin's law? Les Ferdinand was basically saying it's lost it's meaning, he did not say he disagreed with the sentiment so lets clear that up.
FFS I did not say he disagreed with the sentiment did I?
Why are you comparing him to BLM then?"Why are you even here again? | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread
Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic.
What would you do to combat discrimination in the game?
Did the England team players choose to give a Nazi salute in 1938? What do you think would have happened to any player that didn't?
What would I do? I don't know I'm not involved closely enough with football but for a start I would listen to people like Les Ferdinand before listening to what BLM have to say
The foreign office advised them do it for diplomatic reasons.
Pesky facts again.
Advised? You mean ordered"How is something that happened 82 years ago being brought up? | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread
Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic.
What would you do to combat discrimination in the game?
Wait a minute. This other guy is actually arguing that the racists who were booing people making an anti racist gesture. Are in fact. Not racists, and would have joined them.
Flabbergasted.
So the people who were booing are racists are they? "I rarely reply to trolls. However I put it to you, or I put the question out there generally. What kind of person gets upset and angry about people making a gesture which is against racism: A. Normal people. B. Racists. | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread
Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic.
What would you do to combat discrimination in the game?
Did the England team players choose to give a Nazi salute in 1938? What do you think would have happened to any player that didn't?
What would I do? I don't know I'm not involved closely enough with football but for a start I would listen to people like Les Ferdinand before listening to what BLM have to say
Have you heard of Goodwin's law? Les Ferdinand was basically saying it's lost it's meaning, he did not say he disagreed with the sentiment so lets clear that up.
FFS I did not say he disagreed with the sentiment did I?
Why are you comparing him to BLM then?
Why are you even here again? "Why are you using Les Ferdinand? | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread
Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic.
What would you do to combat discrimination in the game?
Wait a minute. This other guy is actually arguing that the racists who were booing people making an anti racist gesture. Are in fact. Not racists, and would have joined them.
Flabbergasted.
So the people who were booing are racists are they?
Undoubtedly a lot would have been, I'm not saying they all would have been, are you saying ALL of them were booing for political reasons? "No I'm not. But why undoubtedly a lot? When have they booed Kick out Racism etc? | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread
Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic.
What would you do to combat discrimination in the game?
Wait a minute. This other guy is actually arguing that the racists who were booing people making an anti racist gesture. Are in fact. Not racists, and would have joined them.
Flabbergasted.
So the people who were booing are racists are they?
I rarely reply to trolls.
However I put it to you, or I put the question out there generally.
What kind of person gets upset and angry about people making a gesture which is against racism:
A. Normal people.
B. Racists. "I know, I'm regretting feeding the troll. | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread
Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic.
What would you do to combat discrimination in the game?
Wait a minute. This other guy is actually arguing that the racists who were booing people making an anti racist gesture. Are in fact. Not racists, and would have joined them.
Flabbergasted.
So the people who were booing are racists are they?
Undoubtedly a lot would have been, I'm not saying they all would have been, are you saying ALL of them were booing for political reasons?
No I'm not. But why undoubtedly a lot? When have they booed Kick out Racism etc? "There was a black player on 5 live that played against and for them, he said it was a problem when he played against Millwall. When is there an option to boo kick it out? | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread
Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic.
What would you do to combat discrimination in the game?
Wait a minute. This other guy is actually arguing that the racists who were booing people making an anti racist gesture. Are in fact. Not racists, and would have joined them.
Flabbergasted.
So the people who were booing are racists are they?
I rarely reply to trolls.
However I put it to you, or I put the question out there generally.
What kind of person gets upset and angry about people making a gesture which is against racism:
A. Normal people.
B. Racists. "The gesture is not simply against racism though is it so maybe you need to educate yourself or ask another question | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread
Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic.
What would you do to combat discrimination in the game?
Wait a minute. This other guy is actually arguing that the racists who were booing people making an anti racist gesture. Are in fact. Not racists, and would have joined them.
Flabbergasted.
So the people who were booing are racists are they?
I rarely reply to trolls.
However I put it to you, or I put the question out there generally.
What kind of person gets upset and angry about people making a gesture which is against racism:
A. Normal people.
B. Racists.
The gesture is not simply against racism though is it so maybe you need to educate yourself or ask another question "It is in the football context | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread
Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic.
What would you do to combat discrimination in the game?
Did the England team players choose to give a Nazi salute in 1938? What do you think would have happened to any player that didn't?
What would I do? I don't know I'm not involved closely enough with football but for a start I would listen to people like Les Ferdinand before listening to what BLM have to say
The foreign office advised them do it for diplomatic reasons.
Pesky facts again.
Advised? You mean ordered"No advised by their own gmnt And even if they had refused.. what do you think would have happened? | |||
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"I couch this in the caveat that I know nothing of football in the UK but....I think the media are keen to make the supporters the racists for booing whereas they may have been indicating that the point’s been taken and is time to move on. It feels like the gesture is stuck and it’ll become meaningless soo but worse, provoke a backlash. Time for that discussion about the future is NOW. Some people tried to suggest it was a political protest but millwall and some other clubs have had issues around racism for years. Nobody is denying issues around racism. So why didn't they boo the other night? We've finally got you down to what you should have posted in the first place, "I'm not racist but don't like the knee"???? Did you see the brief that Millwall gave the fans it probably had a lot more to do with siege mentality, media scrutiny and the fear of being banned than the above. Now will you kindly grow up and stop posting thing like this and insinuations against people you don't like politically despite putting forward the notion that you are neutral. PMSL
Do you not even listen to what people like Les Ferdinand are saying? No I don't like players taking the knee, does that make me a racist?
Would you have booed?
Absolutely!!
Why?
Because it is confusing politics with equality and not all players want to kneel but feel compelled to do so. Did you not read the other thread
Not all players have to do it, it's up to them! I do think it's lost its meaning a bit however but booing it isn't the answer and trying to say that Millwall fans were booing it on a purely political basis is living in cloud cuckoo land. Some may have but come on be realistic.
What would you do to combat discrimination in the game?
Did the England team players choose to give a Nazi salute in 1938? What do you think would have happened to any player that didn't?
What would I do? I don't know I'm not involved closely enough with football but for a start I would listen to people like Les Ferdinand before listening to what BLM have to say
The foreign office advised them do it for diplomatic reasons.
Pesky facts again.
Advised? You mean ordered
No advised by their own gmnt
And even if they had refused.. what do you think would have happened?"Stan Cullis was dropped for the match, but this is over 80 years ago. | |||
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"Well if you guys want to support an organisation and action that has done nothing but increase racial tension then crack on, good luck with that " PL do it for No Room For Racism, have done since September. You against this? | |||
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"Well if you guys want to support an organisation and action that has done nothing but increase racial tension then crack on, good luck with that PL do it for No Room For Racism, have done since September. You against this?" No, I've had a badge for weeks now | |||
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"Well if you guys want to support an organisation and action that has done nothing but increase racial tension then crack on, good luck with that PL do it for No Room For Racism, have done since September. You against this? No, I've had a badge for weeks now " What's your problem then? | |||
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"Well if you guys want to support an organisation and action that has done nothing but increase racial tension then crack on, good luck with that PL do it for No Room For Racism, have done since September. You against this? No, I've had a badge for weeks now What's your problem then? " How many times? Taking the knee is also seen as a political gesture and players are coerced into doing it for the sake of their careers even if they are uncomfortable with it. And if anyone ever told me that I had to kneel to prove I wasn't racist or against racism then frankly I would become a racist. But you be a good boy and carry on kneeling. How long before you have to bow | |||
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"Well if you guys want to support an organisation and action that has done nothing but increase racial tension then crack on, good luck with that PL do it for No Room For Racism, have done since September. You against this? No, I've had a badge for weeks now What's your problem then? How many times? Taking the knee is also seen as a political gesture and players are coerced into doing it for the sake of their careers even if they are uncomfortable with it. And if anyone ever told me that I had to kneel to prove I wasn't racist or against racism then frankly I would become a racist. But you be a good boy and carry on kneeling. How long before you have to bow" Hahaha classic, it's obvious where you are coming from by all of your post. I feel a bit sorry for you, you are obviously a very scared person. | |||
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" And if anyone ever told me that I had to kneel to prove I wasn't racist or against racism then frankly I would become a racist." Or you could you just ignore the person saying that? Or debate it with them? You're jumping to 'become a racist' real quick there. Doesn't sound like it would take much. | |||
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" And if anyone ever told me that I had to kneel to prove I wasn't racist or against racism then frankly I would become a racist. Or you could you just ignore the person saying that? Or debate it with them? You're jumping to 'become a racist' real quick there. Doesn't sound like it would take much. " In the eyes of the knob head who said it. You were jumping to assumptions real quick there. Sounds like you need to get a grip | |||
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"Like most informed people I suspect the fans that boo'd were fed up of watching players support a bunch of insincere activists calling to defund the police. I suspect they were sick of seeing the police get violently attacked by BLM protesters or the cenotaph being graffitied and the union jack set on fire Maybe that's why they clapped at this match and boo'd at the grovelling dingbats kneeling at the last game " That's an epic leap of faith in a random direction. | |||
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"Like most informed people I suspect the fans that boo'd were fed up of watching players support a bunch of insincere activists calling to defund the police. I suspect they were sick of seeing the police get violently attacked by BLM protesters or the cenotaph being graffitied and the union jack set on fire Maybe that's why they clapped at this match and boo'd at the grovelling dingbats kneeling at the last game That's an epic leap of faith in a random direction. " Not really. A poll in the Guardian found that 55% of respondents thought BLM had made racial tensions worse. 44% of BAME people thought that they had made things worse too Only people that have no serious interest in racial equality support BLM | |||
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"Like most informed people I suspect the fans that boo'd were fed up of watching players support a bunch of insincere activists calling to defund the police. I suspect they were sick of seeing the police get violently attacked by BLM protesters or the cenotaph being graffitied and the union jack set on fire Maybe that's why they clapped at this match and boo'd at the grovelling dingbats kneeling at the last game That's an epic leap of faith in a random direction. Not really. A poll in the Guardian found that 55% of respondents thought BLM had made racial tensions worse. 44% of BAME people thought that they had made things worse too Only people that have no serious interest in racial equality support BLM " I thought the guardian was the anti Christ for you guys? I'll try to find this article so I can reply. | |||
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"Like most informed people I suspect the fans that boo'd were fed up of watching players support a bunch of insincere activists calling to defund the police. I suspect they were sick of seeing the police get violently attacked by BLM protesters or the cenotaph being graffitied and the union jack set on fire Maybe that's why they clapped at this match and boo'd at the grovelling dingbats kneeling at the last game That's an epic leap of faith in a random direction. Not really. A poll in the Guardian found that 55% of respondents thought BLM had made racial tensions worse. 44% of BAME people thought that they had made things worse too Only people that have no serious interest in racial equality support BLM I thought the guardian was the anti Christ for you guys? I'll try to find this article so I can reply." You guys? How do you mean? | |||
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"Like most informed people I suspect the fans that boo'd were fed up of watching players support a bunch of insincere activists calling to defund the police. I suspect they were sick of seeing the police get violently attacked by BLM protesters or the cenotaph being graffitied and the union jack set on fire Maybe that's why they clapped at this match and boo'd at the grovelling dingbats kneeling at the last game That's an epic leap of faith in a random direction. " Most informed | |||
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"Like most informed people I suspect the fans that boo'd were fed up of watching players support a bunch of insincere activists calling to defund the police. I suspect they were sick of seeing the police get violently attacked by BLM protesters or the cenotaph being graffitied and the union jack set on fire Maybe that's why they clapped at this match and boo'd at the grovelling dingbats kneeling at the last game That's an epic leap of faith in a random direction. Most informed " | |||
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"Players took the knee at clubs up and down the country but the only large scale protest was at a club,where as recently as 2 years ago they were fined for racist chanting. But yeah,I'm sure it was a political protest." But that doesn't explain why they clapped at the last game | |||
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"Players took the knee at clubs up and down the country but the only large scale protest was at a club,where as recently as 2 years ago they were fined for racist chanting. But yeah,I'm sure it was a political protest. But that doesn't explain why they clapped at the last game " Maybe they had different supporters there. | |||
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"Players took the knee at clubs up and down the country but the only large scale protest was at a club,where as recently as 2 years ago they were fined for racist chanting. But yeah,I'm sure it was a political protest. But that doesn't explain why they clapped at the last game Maybe they had different supporters there." Or maybe they support anti racism in football but don't support BLM | |||
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"Players took the knee at clubs up and down the country but the only large scale protest was at a club,where as recently as 2 years ago they were fined for racist chanting. But yeah,I'm sure it was a political protest. But that doesn't explain why they clapped at the last game Maybe they had different supporters there. Or maybe they support anti racism in football but don't support BLM" If they were anti racist why were they fined for racist chanting 2 years ago? | |||
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"Players took the knee at clubs up and down the country but the only large scale protest was at a club,where as recently as 2 years ago they were fined for racist chanting. But yeah,I'm sure it was a political protest. But that doesn't explain why they clapped at the last game Maybe they had different supporters there. Or maybe they support anti racism in football but don't support BLM If they were anti racist why were they fined for racist chanting 2 years ago?" No idea but they clearly dont support BLM so boo'd the taking of the knee | |||
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"Players took the knee at clubs up and down the country but the only large scale protest was at a club,where as recently as 2 years ago they were fined for racist chanting. But yeah,I'm sure it was a political protest. But that doesn't explain why they clapped at the last game Maybe they had different supporters there. Or maybe they support anti racism in football but don't support BLM If they were anti racist why were they fined for racist chanting 2 years ago? No idea but they clearly dont support BLM so boo'd the taking of the knee" But funny enough clapped when they stood the next game | |||
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"Players took the knee at clubs up and down the country but the only large scale protest was at a club,where as recently as 2 years ago they were fined for racist chanting. But yeah,I'm sure it was a political protest. But that doesn't explain why they clapped at the last game Maybe they had different supporters there. Or maybe they support anti racism in football but don't support BLM If they were anti racist why were they fined for racist chanting 2 years ago? No idea but they clearly dont support BLM so boo'd the taking of the kneeBut funny enough clapped when they stood the next game " You realise it was probally different supporters? | |||
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"Players took the knee at clubs up and down the country but the only large scale protest was at a club,where as recently as 2 years ago they were fined for racist chanting. But yeah,I'm sure it was a political protest. But that doesn't explain why they clapped at the last game Maybe they had different supporters there. Or maybe they support anti racism in football but don't support BLM If they were anti racist why were they fined for racist chanting 2 years ago? No idea but they clearly dont support BLM so boo'd the taking of the kneeBut funny enough clapped when they stood the next game You realise it was probally different supporters? " You know no more about who the supporters were than I do. The difference is I wouldn't point the shitty end of the stick as quickly as you seem to. I'm just not as keen to signal my virtue at every opportunity We know they boo'd at the taking of the knee and they cheered at the linking of arms | |||
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"Players took the knee at clubs up and down the country but the only large scale protest was at a club,where as recently as 2 years ago they were fined for racist chanting. But yeah,I'm sure it was a political protest. But that doesn't explain why they clapped at the last game Maybe they had different supporters there. Or maybe they support anti racism in football but don't support BLM If they were anti racist why were they fined for racist chanting 2 years ago? No idea but they clearly dont support BLM so boo'd the taking of the kneeBut funny enough clapped when they stood the next game You realise it was probally different supporters? You know no more about who the supporters were than I do. The difference is I wouldn't point the shitty end of the stick as quickly as you seem to. I'm just not as keen to signal my virtue at every opportunity We know they boo'd at the taking of the knee and they cheered at the linking of arms" Yet you claim you are more informed than most post people? Pointing to a well known and long history of racism is fuck all to do with virtue signalling. Its fact. | |||
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"Players took the knee at clubs up and down the country but the only large scale protest was at a club,where as recently as 2 years ago they were fined for racist chanting. But yeah,I'm sure it was a political protest. But that doesn't explain why they clapped at the last game Maybe they had different supporters there. Or maybe they support anti racism in football but don't support BLM If they were anti racist why were they fined for racist chanting 2 years ago? No idea but they clearly dont support BLM so boo'd the taking of the kneeBut funny enough clapped when they stood the next game You realise it was probally different supporters? You know no more about who the supporters were than I do. The difference is I wouldn't point the shitty end of the stick as quickly as you seem to. I'm just not as keen to signal my virtue at every opportunity We know they boo'd at the taking of the knee and they cheered at the linking of arms Yet you claim you are more informed than most post people? Pointing to a well known and long history of racism is fuck all to do with virtue signalling. Its fact." No I claimed that more people are informed than yourself And I'm always very suspicious of anyone that falls over themselves to point the finger of blame at other people so readily | |||
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"Players took the knee at clubs up and down the country but the only large scale protest was at a club,where as recently as 2 years ago they were fined for racist chanting. But yeah,I'm sure it was a political protest. But that doesn't explain why they clapped at the last game Maybe they had different supporters there. Or maybe they support anti racism in football but don't support BLM If they were anti racist why were they fined for racist chanting 2 years ago? No idea but they clearly dont support BLM so boo'd the taking of the kneeBut funny enough clapped when they stood the next game You realise it was probally different supporters? You know no more about who the supporters were than I do. The difference is I wouldn't point the shitty end of the stick as quickly as you seem to. I'm just not as keen to signal my virtue at every opportunity We know they boo'd at the taking of the knee and they cheered at the linking of arms Yet you claim you are more informed than most post people? Pointing to a well known and long history of racism is fuck all to do with virtue signalling. Its fact. No I claimed that more people are informed than yourself And I'm always very suspicious of anyone that falls over themselves to point the finger of blame at other people so readily " Are you denying millwall have a problem with racism in the past? | |||
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"Players took the knee at clubs up and down the country but the only large scale protest was at a club,where as recently as 2 years ago they were fined for racist chanting. But yeah,I'm sure it was a political protest. But that doesn't explain why they clapped at the last game Maybe they had different supporters there. Or maybe they support anti racism in football but don't support BLM If they were anti racist why were they fined for racist chanting 2 years ago? No idea but they clearly dont support BLM so boo'd the taking of the kneeBut funny enough clapped when they stood the next game You realise it was probally different supporters? You know no more about who the supporters were than I do. The difference is I wouldn't point the shitty end of the stick as quickly as you seem to. I'm just not as keen to signal my virtue at every opportunity We know they boo'd at the taking of the knee and they cheered at the linking of arms Yet you claim you are more informed than most post people? Pointing to a well known and long history of racism is fuck all to do with virtue signalling. Its fact. No I claimed that more people are informed than yourself And I'm always very suspicious of anyone that falls over themselves to point the finger of blame at other people so readily Are you denying millwall have a problem with racism in the past?" I'm asserting that guilty people often point the finger first | |||
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"Players took the knee at clubs up and down the country but the only large scale protest was at a club,where as recently as 2 years ago they were fined for racist chanting. But yeah,I'm sure it was a political protest. But that doesn't explain why they clapped at the last game Maybe they had different supporters there. Or maybe they support anti racism in football but don't support BLM If they were anti racist why were they fined for racist chanting 2 years ago? No idea but they clearly dont support BLM so boo'd the taking of the kneeBut funny enough clapped when they stood the next game You realise it was probally different supporters? You know no more about who the supporters were than I do. The difference is I wouldn't point the shitty end of the stick as quickly as you seem to. I'm just not as keen to signal my virtue at every opportunity We know they boo'd at the taking of the knee and they cheered at the linking of arms Yet you claim you are more informed than most post people? Pointing to a well known and long history of racism is fuck all to do with virtue signalling. Its fact. No I claimed that more people are informed than yourself And I'm always very suspicious of anyone that falls over themselves to point the finger of blame at other people so readily Are you denying millwall have a problem with racism in the past? I'm asserting that guilty people often point the finger first " Ha ha ha Superb | |||
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"Pfa saying the players have overwhelmingly decided to support Carrying on taking the knee." While happily carrying on taking the the money of middle Eastern/overseas businessmen with dubious business practices and human rights abuses. Sometimes their stupidity and hypocrisy knows no bounds. But if that's their choice that's fine, just as people should be free to boo | |||
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"Seems the cambridge fans who booed the knee are going to be identified and banned.What has happened to free speech this is a slippery slope." There is no such thing as ‘free speech’ | |||
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"Pfa saying the players have overwhelmingly decided to support Carrying on taking the knee. While happily carrying on taking the the money of middle Eastern/overseas businessmen with dubious business practices and human rights abuses. Sometimes their stupidity and hypocrisy knows no bounds. But if that's their choice that's fine, just as people should be free to boo" | |||
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"Pfa saying the players have overwhelmingly decided to support Carrying on taking the knee. While happily carrying on taking the the money of middle Eastern/overseas businessmen with dubious business practices and human rights abuses. Sometimes their stupidity and hypocrisy knows no bounds. But if that's their choice that's fine, just as people should be free to boo" Racists are still free to boo. There's no law against it. And they're free to kick these people out and ban them from attending matches. They can stand outside booing, or they can watch the Vicar of Dibley and boo. This is how the world works. | |||
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"Pfa saying the players have overwhelmingly decided to support Carrying on taking the knee. While happily carrying on taking the the money of middle Eastern/overseas businessmen with dubious business practices and human rights abuses. Sometimes their stupidity and hypocrisy knows no bounds. But if that's their choice that's fine, just as people should be free to boo Racists are still free to boo. There's no law against it. And they're free to kick these people out and ban them from attending matches. They can stand outside booing, or they can watch the Vicar of Dibley and boo. This is how the world works." I'm not saying they are not free to boo. I'm responding to the criticism of it. And of course they're free to kick them out and accuse them of being racist with no justification. That's the tolerance of opposing views for you eh  | |||
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"Pfa saying the players have overwhelmingly decided to support Carrying on taking the knee. While happily carrying on taking the the money of middle Eastern/overseas businessmen with dubious business practices and human rights abuses. Sometimes their stupidity and hypocrisy knows no bounds. But if that's their choice that's fine, just as people should be free to boo Racists are still free to boo. There's no law against it. And they're free to kick these people out and ban them from attending matches. They can stand outside booing, or they can watch the Vicar of Dibley and boo. This is how the world works. I'm not saying they are not free to boo. I'm responding to the criticism of it. And of course they're free to kick them out and accuse them of being racist with no justification. That's the tolerance of opposing views for you eh "I'm comfortable not tolerating racist views. | |||
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"My team has a black player that refuses to kneel. His choice, but he is supported whatever his stance. " That's because most black folk have seen through BLM and their intention to divide society along racial lines. Its mostly gullible white people that are falling over themselves to signal their virtuous credentials. So cringeworthy its toe curling | |||
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"My team has a black player that refuses to kneel. His choice, but he is supported whatever his stance. That's because most black folk have seen through BLM and their intention to divide society along racial lines. Its mostly gullible white people that are falling over themselves to signal their virtuous credentials. So cringeworthy its toe curling " What are you basing that on exactly, seeing as most footy players have backed carrying it on? Presumably many black players. | |||
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"My team has a black player that refuses to kneel. His choice, but he is supported whatever his stance. That's because most black folk have seen through BLM and their intention to divide society along racial lines. Its mostly gullible white people that are falling over themselves to signal their virtuous credentials. So cringeworthy its toe curling What are you basing that on exactly, seeing as most footy players have backed carrying it on? Presumably many black players." The poll in the guardian for one. 54% of black people thought BLM has made race relations worse | |||
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"My team has a black player that refuses to kneel. His choice, but he is supported whatever his stance. That's because most black folk have seen through BLM and their intention to divide society along racial lines. Its mostly gullible white people that are falling over themselves to signal their virtuous credentials. So cringeworthy its toe curling What are you basing that on exactly, seeing as most footy players have backed carrying it on? Presumably many black players. The poll in the guardian for one. 54% of black people thought BLM has made race relations worse" Well footy players certainly dont agree obviously | |||
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"My team has a black player that refuses to kneel. His choice, but he is supported whatever his stance. That's because most black folk have seen through BLM and their intention to divide society along racial lines. Its mostly gullible white people that are falling over themselves to signal their virtuous credentials. So cringeworthy its toe curling What are you basing that on exactly, seeing as most footy players have backed carrying it on? Presumably many black players. The poll in the guardian for one. 54% of black people thought BLM has made race relations worse Well footy players certainly dont agree obviously " I'll take the opinion of people that live in the real world over a footballers any day | |||
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"My team has a black player that refuses to kneel. His choice, but he is supported whatever his stance. " Out of interest who is this? | |||
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"My team has a black player that refuses to kneel. His choice, but he is supported whatever his stance. Out of interest who is this?" Lyle Taylor. | |||
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"My team has a black player that refuses to kneel. His choice, but he is supported whatever his stance. Out of interest who is this? Lyle Taylor. " It's strange that nobody's been on to call him a racist yet | |||
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"My team has a black player that refuses to kneel. His choice, but he is supported whatever his stance. Out of interest who is this? Lyle Taylor. It's strange that nobody's been on to call him a racist yet " Probally because no one has said people who dont do it are racists. | |||
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"My team has a black player that refuses to kneel. His choice, but he is supported whatever his stance. Out of interest who is this? Lyle Taylor. It's strange that nobody's been on to call him a racist yet Probally because no one has said people who dont do it are racists." Dion Dublin and plenty of others did I'm sure | |||
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"My team has a black player that refuses to kneel. His choice, but he is supported whatever his stance. Out of interest who is this? Lyle Taylor. It's strange that nobody's been on to call him a racist yet Probally because no one has said people who dont do it are racists. Dion Dublin and plenty of others did I'm sure " Well he is hardly the sharpest tool in the box | |||
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"My team has a black player that refuses to kneel. His choice, but he is supported whatever his stance. Out of interest who is this? Lyle Taylor. It's strange that nobody's been on to call him a racist yet Probally because no one has said people who dont do it are racists. Dion Dublin and plenty of others did I'm sure Well he is hardly the sharpest tool in the box" So who is the biggest racist and makes the biggest impact, a guy who stands in the middle of the pitch or a guy in the crowd who lets his feelings be known the only way he can by booing? | |||
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