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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Sharma, business secretary, just had a car crash interview where he struggled to explain any difference between no deal and an Australia style deal. In the end, he stated the difference was a matter of "semantics."

It seems v clear the government are desperately trying to rebrand "no deal" as an "Australia style deal" because they think it sounds better.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Many are waking upto the idea that a no deal is going to be really bad for the UK.

Its not what many Leavers voted for, or would expect to happen.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Many are waking upto the idea that a no deal is going to be really bad for the UK.

Its not what many Leavers voted for, or would expect to happen. "
True

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Many are waking upto the idea that a no deal is going to be really bad for the UK.

Its not what many Leavers voted for, or would expect to happen. "

Wouldn't be surprised if Cummings focus tested various words and terms to see what he could get away with using best.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"Many are waking upto the idea that a no deal is going to be really bad for the UK.

Its not what many Leavers voted for, or would expect to happen. "

I wouldn't worry... There is a deal coming...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many are waking upto the idea that a no deal is going to be really bad for the UK.

Its not what many Leavers voted for, or would expect to happen.

I wouldn't worry... There is a deal coming... "

Possibly, do you think it will be better than a no deal?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Many are waking upto the idea that a no deal is going to be really bad for the UK.

Its not what many Leavers voted for, or would expect to happen. True"

Is it the Brexit you voted for?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"Many are waking upto the idea that a no deal is going to be really bad for the UK.

Its not what many Leavers voted for, or would expect to happen. True

Is it the Brexit you voted for? "

Not in the slightest.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Many are waking upto the idea that a no deal is going to be really bad for the UK.

Its not what many Leavers voted for, or would expect to happen.

I wouldn't worry... There is a deal coming... "

Not sure what you're laughing at there. Oh well. As long as you're happy.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"Many are waking upto the idea that a no deal is going to be really bad for the UK.

Its not what many Leavers voted for, or would expect to happen.

I wouldn't worry... There is a deal coming...

Not sure what you're laughing at there. Oh well. As long as you're happy."

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By *ichiebigMan
over a year ago

nenagh

There will be a deal, it will not be a very good deal for the UK, the UK government played a high stakes game of chicken and have lost, they backed themselves into a corner with silly red lines on fishing, and demanded free access to the EU single market without adhering to the key rules, they never had the brains to understand that the single market is the very core of the EU project and Nothing, absolutely nothing, was going to comprise the single market, so what's going to happen, first EU countries will get full access to British waters, boris will throw the British fishermen under a bus, same as he did with the Ulster unionist, the deal that Britain accepts will be much less favourable than Teresa may's deal, when the British treathned to break international law, all credibility and trust was lost, that great white "Dope",sorry Hope, on the other side of the Atlantic will gone in 2 weeks, so no great deal coming from Biden, remember he also will not be impressed with a country threatening to break international law, so unfortunately for the uk they will be accepting a very one sided trade deal, and will become a economic vassal state like Norway or Switzerland, this is always the way it was going to play out from day one, the only difference is boris totally fucked up the negotiations, what Teresa may achieved in her negotiations was the very best deal available

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There will be a deal, it will not be a very good deal for the UK, the UK government played a high stakes game of chicken and have lost, they backed themselves into a corner with silly red lines on fishing, and demanded free access to the EU single market without adhering to the key rules, they never had the brains to understand that the single market is the very core of the EU project and Nothing, absolutely nothing, was going to comprise the single market, so what's going to happen, first EU countries will get full access to British waters, boris will throw the British fishermen under a bus, same as he did with the Ulster unionist, the deal that Britain accepts will be much less favourable than Teresa may's deal, when the British treathned to break international law, all credibility and trust was lost, that great white "Dope",sorry Hope, on the other side of the Atlantic will gone in 2 weeks, so no great deal coming from Biden, remember he also will not be impressed with a country threatening to break international law, so unfortunately for the uk they will be accepting a very one sided trade deal, and will become a economic vassal state like Norway or Switzerland, this is always the way it was going to play out from day one, the only difference is boris totally fucked up the negotiations, what Teresa may achieved in her negotiations was the very best deal available "

Except Norway and Switzerland are not vassal states - and that language should not be used, this isn't the pre-colonial world.

Norway and Switzerland opt into certain EU mechanics, and not others. It's an art of compromise; what do you want access to, and what are you willing to give up some control of to gain access to.

Given that Switzerland recently rejected and end to freedom of movement, because of all the other issues it would cause, you can see that nationally they understand this.

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By *ichiebigMan
over a year ago

nenagh

No it is not the pre colonial world, it is very much the post colonial world, many of the Brexit supporters should remember its post colonial and there British empire is long gone and forget there childish fantasy that Britain is still a world player, it is just another first world country on the edge of Europe in a long slow decline which will be accelerated by those silly fantasys believed of brexiters

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No it is not the pre colonial world, it is very much the post colonial world, many of the Brexit supporters should remember its post colonial and there British empire is long gone and forget there childish fantasy that Britain is still a world player, it is just another first world country on the edge of Europe in a long slow decline which will be accelerated by those silly fantasys believed of brexiters "

I dont really bring that argument up for three reasons -

- The average brexit voter cannot name Britain's colonial domains beyond; Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Singapore and India. To them colonialism doesn't come into brexit; they just heard an idea which sounded like the best of the present and a hypothetical future and voted for it. And now about 52 months on opinions vary on the fallout and delivery.

- Some brexiteers - mainly those who are affluent and middle class, are proud of the legacy of colonialism. To them it symbolises strength and power, or a world order in which the UK was among the most powerful nations.

For these brexit is either a comfort blanket - eg we'll make our own commonwealth club and be at the top.

Or offers some hope we can climb there independently again.

- Then there are Britons who are the children of Empire and Colonialism. I have the most sympathy with these. Especially those from less well know areas of the commonwealth.

I knew a few families in Leeds who saw brexit this way. A chance for brexit to be used to rejuvenate trade and connections to developing and third world nations the UK used to hold dominion over.

Most now regret the decision. As one guy's dad said to me; we won't get the best of both worlds, and the country is obsessed with the most British countries in the commonwealth, not the poorer colonies they exploited.

Kind of tragic in a way.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"No it is not the pre colonial world, it is very much the post colonial world, many of the Brexit supporters should remember its post colonial and there British empire is long gone and forget there childish fantasy that Britain is still a world player, it is just another first world country on the edge of Europe in a long slow decline which will be accelerated by those silly fantasys believed of brexiters

I dont really bring that argument up for three reasons -

- The average brexit voter cannot name Britain's colonial domains beyond; Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Singapore and India. To them colonialism doesn't come into brexit; they just heard an idea which sounded like the best of the present and a hypothetical future and voted for it. And now about 52 months on opinions vary on the fallout and delivery.

- Some brexiteers - mainly those who are affluent and middle class, are proud of the legacy of colonialism. To them it symbolises strength and power, or a world order in which the UK was among the most powerful nations.

For these brexit is either a comfort blanket - eg we'll make our own commonwealth club and be at the top.

Or offers some hope we can climb there independently again.

- Then there are Britons who are the children of Empire and Colonialism. I have the most sympathy with these. Especially those from less well know areas of the commonwealth.

I knew a few families in Leeds who saw brexit this way. A chance for brexit to be used to rejuvenate trade and connections to developing and third world nations the UK used to hold dominion over.

Most now regret the decision. As one guy's dad said to me; we won't get the best of both worlds, and the country is obsessed with the most British countries in the commonwealth, not the poorer colonies they exploited.

Kind of tragic in a way."

I think that colonial jingoism also appeals to the working class tory vote tbh.The likes of the sun feed of that crude patriotism .

I read somewhere high numbers of people from immigrant families voted for Brexit which was quite surprising.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"No it is not the pre colonial world, it is very much the post colonial world, many of the Brexit supporters should remember its post colonial and there British empire is long gone and forget there childish fantasy that Britain is still a world player, it is just another first world country on the edge of Europe in a long slow decline which will be accelerated by those silly fantasys believed of brexiters

I dont really bring that argument up for three reasons -

- The average brexit voter cannot name Britain's colonial domains beyond; Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Singapore and India. To them colonialism doesn't come into brexit; they just heard an idea which sounded like the best of the present and a hypothetical future and voted for it. And now about 52 months on opinions vary on the fallout and delivery.

- Some brexiteers - mainly those who are affluent and middle class, are proud of the legacy of colonialism. To them it symbolises strength and power, or a world order in which the UK was among the most powerful nations.

For these brexit is either a comfort blanket - eg we'll make our own commonwealth club and be at the top.

Or offers some hope we can climb there independently again.

- Then there are Britons who are the children of Empire and Colonialism. I have the most sympathy with these. Especially those from less well know areas of the commonwealth.

I knew a few families in Leeds who saw brexit this way. A chance for brexit to be used to rejuvenate trade and connections to developing and third world nations the UK used to hold dominion over.

Most now regret the decision. As one guy's dad said to me; we won't get the best of both worlds, and the country is obsessed with the most British countries in the commonwealth, not the poorer colonies they exploited.

Kind of tragic in a way.

I think that colonial jingoism also appeals to the working class tory vote tbh.The likes of the sun feed of that crude patriotism .

I read somewhere high numbers of people from immigrant families voted for Brexit which was quite surprising. "
I wonder what there thoughts are in been labelled racist then lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Colonial nostalgia eats away like a cancer in the brexit mind.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

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By *ichiebigMan
over a year ago

nenagh


"No it is not the pre colonial world, it is very much the post colonial world, many of the Brexit supporters should remember its post colonial and there British empire is long gone and forget there childish fantasy that Britain is still a world player, it is just another first world country on the edge of Europe in a long slow decline which will be accelerated by those silly fantasys believed of brexiters

I dont really bring that argument up for three reasons -

- The average brexit voter cannot name Britain's colonial domains beyond; Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Singapore and India. To them colonialism doesn't come into brexit; they just heard an idea which sounded like the best of the present and a hypothetical future and voted for it. And now about 52 months on opinions vary on the fallout and delivery.

- Some brexiteers - mainly those who are affluent and middle class, are proud of the legacy of colonialism. To them it symbolises strength and power, or a world order in which the UK was among the most powerful nations.

For these brexit is either a comfort blanket - eg we'll make our own commonwealth club and be at the top.

Or offers some hope we can climb there independently again.

- Then there are Britons who are the children of Empire and Colonialism. I have the most sympathy with these. Especially those from less well know areas of the commonwealth.

I knew a few families in Leeds who saw brexit this way. A chance for brexit to be used to rejuvenate trade and connections to developing and third world nations the UK used to hold dominion over.

Most now regret the decision. As one guy's dad said to me; we won't get the best of both worlds, and the country is obsessed with the most British countries in the commonwealth, not the poorer colonies they exploited.

Kind of tragic in a way.

I think that colonial jingoism also appeals to the working class tory vote tbh.The likes of the sun feed of that crude patriotism .

I read somewhere high numbers of people from immigrant families voted for Brexit which was quite surprising. "
very interesting glimpse into the thinking of "the man in the street " regarding Brexit, really shows how the handful of selfish self serving elite exploited the dreams and indeed fears of so many ordinary people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No it is not the pre colonial world, it is very much the post colonial world, many of the Brexit supporters should remember its post colonial and there British empire is long gone and forget there childish fantasy that Britain is still a world player, it is just another first world country on the edge of Europe in a long slow decline which will be accelerated by those silly fantasys believed of brexiters

I dont really bring that argument up for three reasons -

- The average brexit voter cannot name Britain's colonial domains beyond; Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Singapore and India. To them colonialism doesn't come into brexit; they just heard an idea which sounded like the best of the present and a hypothetical future and voted for it. And now about 52 months on opinions vary on the fallout and delivery.

- Some brexiteers - mainly those who are affluent and middle class, are proud of the legacy of colonialism. To them it symbolises strength and power, or a world order in which the UK was among the most powerful nations.

For these brexit is either a comfort blanket - eg we'll make our own commonwealth club and be at the top.

Or offers some hope we can climb there independently again.

- Then there are Britons who are the children of Empire and Colonialism. I have the most sympathy with these. Especially those from less well know areas of the commonwealth.

I knew a few families in Leeds who saw brexit this way. A chance for brexit to be used to rejuvenate trade and connections to developing and third world nations the UK used to hold dominion over.

Most now regret the decision. As one guy's dad said to me; we won't get the best of both worlds, and the country is obsessed with the most British countries in the commonwealth, not the poorer colonies they exploited.

Kind of tragic in a way.

I think that colonial jingoism also appeals to the working class tory vote tbh.The likes of the sun feed of that crude patriotism .

I read somewhere high numbers of people from immigrant families voted for Brexit which was quite surprising. "

Yes there are polls and social reports done into this.

When asked about the opinions of whether brexit would be beneficial for non-white commonwealth descendants, and their family's historic country of origin, between 2015 - 2016 many believed that this would be the case.

Eg, they believed that the UK would orientate itself more towards Africa, SEA, and the Caribbean fir trade.

As policy and politics crystallised this has now dropped off.

Data shows that it is predominantly Indian Dual nationals in affluent constituencies that now, overwhelmingly hold this view.

The moment you move towards non-white commonwealth nationals of all heritage and ethnicity, in areas of average to below average wealth per individual and household, the views on brexit can now be broadly categorised into;

Political disillusionment with what brexit means.

Negative opinion on brexit.

Reasons given are the following;

- sense of betrayal.

- lack of engagement.

- anglo-centric world view (UK only appears to value a future relationship with English speaking and English cultures)

- racial tensions which have been provoked due to domestic politics.

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By *eddy and legsCouple
over a year ago

the wetlands

Boris and his wankers couldn't get a deal on a DFS sofa ffs

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"No it is not the pre colonial world, it is very much the post colonial world, many of the Brexit supporters should remember its post colonial and there British empire is long gone and forget there childish fantasy that Britain is still a world player, it is just another first world country on the edge of Europe in a long slow decline which will be accelerated by those silly fantasys believed of brexiters

I dont really bring that argument up for three reasons -

- The average brexit voter cannot name Britain's colonial domains beyond; Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Singapore and India. To them colonialism doesn't come into brexit; they just heard an idea which sounded like the best of the present and a hypothetical future and voted for it. And now about 52 months on opinions vary on the fallout and delivery.

- Some brexiteers - mainly those who are affluent and middle class, are proud of the legacy of colonialism. To them it symbolises strength and power, or a world order in which the UK was among the most powerful nations.

For these brexit is either a comfort blanket - eg we'll make our own commonwealth club and be at the top.

Or offers some hope we can climb there independently again.

- Then there are Britons who are the children of Empire and Colonialism. I have the most sympathy with these. Especially those from less well know areas of the commonwealth.

I knew a few families in Leeds who saw brexit this way. A chance for brexit to be used to rejuvenate trade and connections to developing and third world nations the UK used to hold dominion over.

Most now regret the decision. As one guy's dad said to me; we won't get the best of both worlds, and the country is obsessed with the most British countries in the commonwealth, not the poorer colonies they exploited.

Kind of tragic in a way.

I think that colonial jingoism also appeals to the working class tory vote tbh.The likes of the sun feed of that crude patriotism .

I read somewhere high numbers of people from immigrant families voted for Brexit which was quite surprising.

Yes there are polls and social reports done into this.

When asked about the opinions of whether brexit would be beneficial for non-white commonwealth descendants, and their family's historic country of origin, between 2015 - 2016 many believed that this would be the case.

Eg, they believed that the UK would orientate itself more towards Africa, SEA, and the Caribbean fir trade.

As policy and politics crystallised this has now dropped off.

Data shows that it is predominantly Indian Dual nationals in affluent constituencies that now, overwhelmingly hold this view.

The moment you move towards non-white commonwealth nationals of all heritage and ethnicity, in areas of average to below average wealth per individual and household, the views on brexit can now be broadly categorised into;

Political disillusionment with what brexit means.

Negative opinion on brexit.

Reasons given are the following;

- sense of betrayal.

- lack of engagement.

- anglo-centric world view (UK only appears to value a future relationship with English speaking and English cultures)

- racial tensions which have been provoked due to domestic politics."

I'm guessing there was also an element of 'pulling the ladder up perhaps?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby


"Boris and his wankers couldn't get a deal on a DFS sofa ffs"
yes true but a DFS sale as been on longer than Corry so no rush there lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Did anybody else see the Sharma semantics moment? It was quite special.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Did anybody else see the Sharma semantics moment? It was quite special."

LBC, I think I saw it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sharma, business secretary, just had a car crash interview where he struggled to explain any difference between no deal and an Australia style deal. In the end, he stated the difference was a matter of "semantics."

It seems v clear the government are desperately trying to rebrand "no deal" as an "Australia style deal" because they think it sounds better.

"

Just watched it....

Fucking inept.....

There is no other term I could use to better sum up that fucking inept prick of a cabinet minister ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This Tory government is now operating at a lower level of competence than I imagined any Labour government including Abbott could ever have.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

There should be a new word for Sharma's lousy semantics performance. Sharmantics.

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