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"A load of crap it will be at least 5 years before we can judge the effects of Brexit and the stupid fear mongers are starting up again" Yep, Brexit's a load of crap. Always nice when you agree on that.  | |||
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"Its been on the morning news you are not getting a deal over here its not looknig good at all. " You mean it's being reported in the USA we're not getting a deal with the USA? | |||
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"A load of crap it will be at least 5 years before we can judge the effects of Brexit and the stupid fear mongers are starting up again" In the meantime we just have: £200 billion a year cost to the economy. Countless billions wasted during the transition period. Business closing or leaving the UK. Losing the right to live and work in Europe. Having our safety standards negotiated away in the trade deals. Having an internal border in Kent. Shortages of nurses and seasonal workers. And you're saying we need to wait five more years for the really bad stuff! Holy moly. | |||
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"Its been on the morning news you are not getting a deal over here its not looknig good at all. " Bear in mind, any deal we would get is way worse than the deal we had as a full member of the EU. And of course we walked away from the decision making table. | |||
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"A load of crap it will be at least 5 years before we can judge the effects of Brexit and the stupid fear mongers are starting up again" So there are not going to be customs delays? There are not going to be export tarrifs? Or NHS cards will work in Europe? | |||
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"A load of crap it will be at least 5 years before we can judge the effects of Brexit and the stupid fear mongers are starting up again In the meantime we just have: £200 billion a year cost to the economy. Countless billions wasted during the transition period. Business closing or leaving the UK. Losing the right to live and work in Europe. Having our safety standards negotiated away in the trade deals. Having an internal border in Kent. Shortages of nurses and seasonal workers. And you're saying we need to wait five more years for the really bad stuff! Holy moly." Our national credit rating has also been lowered | |||
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"A load of crap it will be at least 5 years before we can judge the effects of Brexit and the stupid fear mongers are starting up again In the meantime we just have: £200 billion a year cost to the economy. Countless billions wasted during the transition period. Business closing or leaving the UK. Losing the right to live and work in Europe. Having our safety standards negotiated away in the trade deals. Having an internal border in Kent. Shortages of nurses and seasonal workers. And you're saying we need to wait five more years for the really bad stuff! Holy moly. Our national credit rating has also been lowered " True. Which will slow any economic recovery. I guess these were just a few examples. There isn't enough time in the day to list all the interim negatives of brexit so far. I'm really not looking forward to all the real shit in five years though. | |||
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"Its been on the morning news you are not getting a deal over here its not looknig good at all. You mean it's being reported in the USA we're not getting a deal with the USA?" I would doubt it the feeling is you only want trade on your terms so its unlikely to happen and being honest its you who needs a trade deal not us | |||
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"Its been on the morning news you are not getting a deal over here its not looknig good at all. You mean it's being reported in the USA we're not getting a deal with the USA? I would doubt it the feeling is you only want trade on your terms so its unlikely to happen and being honest its you who needs a trade deal not us" Oh absolutely. We need a deal with the EU. We need a deal with the USA. If we only get 1 or neither, it could be really bad for us. Does the reporting in the USA mention the border issue between Ireland and N Ireland? I got the impression that's what would really stop us getting a deal with the USA. | |||
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"Its been on the morning news you are not getting a deal over here its not looknig good at all. You mean it's being reported in the USA we're not getting a deal with the USA? I would doubt it the feeling is you only want trade on your terms so its unlikely to happen and being honest its you who needs a trade deal not us Oh absolutely. We need a deal with the EU. We need a deal with the USA. If we only get 1 or neither, it could be really bad for us. Does the reporting in the USA mention the border issue between Ireland and N Ireland? I got the impression that's what would really stop us getting a deal with the USA. " It has been mentioned but its more to do with the terrorist element money raising here in the past we don't want repeated. One of the biggest negatives though for you is the reports we get about derogatory British remarks towards our food not being fit but you want to sell food to us. The agricultural and meat lobbyists are making a lot of noise about it and they have the ear of many in power. | |||
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"Its been on the morning news you are not getting a deal over here its not looknig good at all. You mean it's being reported in the USA we're not getting a deal with the USA? I would doubt it the feeling is you only want trade on your terms so its unlikely to happen and being honest its you who needs a trade deal not us Oh absolutely. We need a deal with the EU. We need a deal with the USA. If we only get 1 or neither, it could be really bad for us. Does the reporting in the USA mention the border issue between Ireland and N Ireland? I got the impression that's what would really stop us getting a deal with the USA. It has been mentioned but its more to do with the terrorist element money raising here in the past we don't want repeated. One of the biggest negatives though for you is the reports we get about derogatory British remarks towards our food not being fit but you want to sell food to us. The agricultural and meat lobbyists are making a lot of noise about it and they have the ear of many in power. " Yeah this is our big worry. They would have to change a lot of laws around food safety standards. Especially to do with animal husbandry and the use of growth hormones. All current illegal in the EU. | |||
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"Its been on the morning news you are not getting a deal over here its not looknig good at all. You mean it's being reported in the USA we're not getting a deal with the USA? I would doubt it the feeling is you only want trade on your terms so its unlikely to happen and being honest its you who needs a trade deal not us Oh absolutely. We need a deal with the EU. We need a deal with the USA. If we only get 1 or neither, it could be really bad for us. Does the reporting in the USA mention the border issue between Ireland and N Ireland? I got the impression that's what would really stop us getting a deal with the USA. It has been mentioned but its more to do with the terrorist element money raising here in the past we don't want repeated. One of the biggest negatives though for you is the reports we get about derogatory British remarks towards our food not being fit but you want to sell food to us. The agricultural and meat lobbyists are making a lot of noise about it and they have the ear of many in power. " Hmm the food standards bit does just sound like lobbyists in the USA trying to whip up some anger as an excuse to get what they want. | |||
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"Its been on the morning news you are not getting a deal over here its not looknig good at all. You mean it's being reported in the USA we're not getting a deal with the USA? I would doubt it the feeling is you only want trade on your terms so its unlikely to happen and being honest its you who needs a trade deal not us Oh absolutely. We need a deal with the EU. We need a deal with the USA. If we only get 1 or neither, it could be really bad for us. Does the reporting in the USA mention the border issue between Ireland and N Ireland? I got the impression that's what would really stop us getting a deal with the USA. It has been mentioned but its more to do with the terrorist element money raising here in the past we don't want repeated. One of the biggest negatives though for you is the reports we get about derogatory British remarks towards our food not being fit but you want to sell food to us. The agricultural and meat lobbyists are making a lot of noise about it and they have the ear of many in power. Hmm the food standards bit does just sound like lobbyists in the USA trying to whip up some anger as an excuse to get what they want." That is the reason that so much cash came from the states for the leave campaigns. | |||
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"Its been on the morning news you are not getting a deal over here its not looknig good at all. You mean it's being reported in the USA we're not getting a deal with the USA? I would doubt it the feeling is you only want trade on your terms so its unlikely to happen and being honest its you who needs a trade deal not us Oh absolutely. We need a deal with the EU. We need a deal with the USA. If we only get 1 or neither, it could be really bad for us. Does the reporting in the USA mention the border issue between Ireland and N Ireland? I got the impression that's what would really stop us getting a deal with the USA. It has been mentioned but its more to do with the terrorist element money raising here in the past we don't want repeated. One of the biggest negatives though for you is the reports we get about derogatory British remarks towards our food not being fit but you want to sell food to us. The agricultural and meat lobbyists are making a lot of noise about it and they have the ear of many in power. Yeah this is our big worry. They would have to change a lot of laws around food safety standards. Especially to do with animal husbandry and the use of growth hormones. All current illegal in the EU." No you just pump your cattle full of antibiotics you have selectively bred them. You do know the UK buys Pork from Holland which keeps pigs locked in pens and clips the beaks of chickens so they don't peck each other and spoil the meet. Its economics its attitudes from all parties but a deal looks unlikely in the near future. | |||
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"News reports over here are suggesting there may be food shortages over there in January and maybe even fuel issues as there won't be a deal. " Project fear. We won the war. Don’t believe the remoaners etc... | |||
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"Its been on the morning news you are not getting a deal over here its not looknig good at all. You mean it's being reported in the USA we're not getting a deal with the USA? I would doubt it the feeling is you only want trade on your terms so its unlikely to happen and being honest its you who needs a trade deal not us Oh absolutely. We need a deal with the EU. We need a deal with the USA. If we only get 1 or neither, it could be really bad for us. Does the reporting in the USA mention the border issue between Ireland and N Ireland? I got the impression that's what would really stop us getting a deal with the USA. It has been mentioned but its more to do with the terrorist element money raising here in the past we don't want repeated. One of the biggest negatives though for you is the reports we get about derogatory British remarks towards our food not being fit but you want to sell food to us. The agricultural and meat lobbyists are making a lot of noise about it and they have the ear of many in power. Hmm the food standards bit does just sound like lobbyists in the USA trying to whip up some anger as an excuse to get what they want." Hardly they don't want a deal at all. | |||
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"Its been on the morning news you are not getting a deal over here its not looknig good at all. You mean it's being reported in the USA we're not getting a deal with the USA? I would doubt it the feeling is you only want trade on your terms so its unlikely to happen and being honest its you who needs a trade deal not us Oh absolutely. We need a deal with the EU. We need a deal with the USA. If we only get 1 or neither, it could be really bad for us. Does the reporting in the USA mention the border issue between Ireland and N Ireland? I got the impression that's what would really stop us getting a deal with the USA. It has been mentioned but its more to do with the terrorist element money raising here in the past we don't want repeated. One of the biggest negatives though for you is the reports we get about derogatory British remarks towards our food not being fit but you want to sell food to us. The agricultural and meat lobbyists are making a lot of noise about it and they have the ear of many in power. Yeah this is our big worry. They would have to change a lot of laws around food safety standards. Especially to do with animal husbandry and the use of growth hormones. All current illegal in the EU. No you just pump your cattle full of antibiotics you have selectively bred them. You do know the UK buys Pork from Holland which keeps pigs locked in pens and clips the beaks of chickens so they don't peck each other and spoil the meet. Its economics its attitudes from all parties but a deal looks unlikely in the near future. " I do wonder how the Tories will try and spin it all if/when it becomes clear we're not getting a deal with the EU or the USA. | |||
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"Its been on the morning news you are not getting a deal over here its not looknig good at all. You mean it's being reported in the USA we're not getting a deal with the USA? I would doubt it the feeling is you only want trade on your terms so its unlikely to happen and being honest its you who needs a trade deal not us Oh absolutely. We need a deal with the EU. We need a deal with the USA. If we only get 1 or neither, it could be really bad for us. Does the reporting in the USA mention the border issue between Ireland and N Ireland? I got the impression that's what would really stop us getting a deal with the USA. It has been mentioned but its more to do with the terrorist element money raising here in the past we don't want repeated. One of the biggest negatives though for you is the reports we get about derogatory British remarks towards our food not being fit but you want to sell food to us. The agricultural and meat lobbyists are making a lot of noise about it and they have the ear of many in power. Yeah this is our big worry. They would have to change a lot of laws around food safety standards. Especially to do with animal husbandry and the use of growth hormones. All current illegal in the EU. No you just pump your cattle full of antibiotics you have selectively bred them. You do know the UK buys Pork from Holland which keeps pigs locked in pens and clips the beaks of chickens so they don't peck each other and spoil the meet. Its economics its attitudes from all parties but a deal looks unlikely in the near future. " Don't take it personally. Neither you nor I are in charge of food safety standards in either country. I am just telling you how it is. There's nothing derogatory here. Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser is good reading on this subject. In any case. The British government and Boris especially doesn't care too much either way about a deal. He and his cronies have what they want. | |||
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"Its been on the morning news you are not getting a deal over here its not looknig good at all. You mean it's being reported in the USA we're not getting a deal with the USA? I would doubt it the feeling is you only want trade on your terms so its unlikely to happen and being honest its you who needs a trade deal not us Oh absolutely. We need a deal with the EU. We need a deal with the USA. If we only get 1 or neither, it could be really bad for us. Does the reporting in the USA mention the border issue between Ireland and N Ireland? I got the impression that's what would really stop us getting a deal with the USA. It has been mentioned but its more to do with the terrorist element money raising here in the past we don't want repeated. One of the biggest negatives though for you is the reports we get about derogatory British remarks towards our food not being fit but you want to sell food to us. The agricultural and meat lobbyists are making a lot of noise about it and they have the ear of many in power. Hmm the food standards bit does just sound like lobbyists in the USA trying to whip up some anger as an excuse to get what they want. Hardly they don't want a deal at all. " That was my point. Feels like they might be whipping up anger to keep us divided and provide more grounds to knacker any deal. Or they're just whipping up anger to try and get us to match your food standards to they can enter our market fully. | |||
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"Its been on the morning news you are not getting a deal over here its not looknig good at all. You mean it's being reported in the USA we're not getting a deal with the USA? I would doubt it the feeling is you only want trade on your terms so its unlikely to happen and being honest its you who needs a trade deal not us Oh absolutely. We need a deal with the EU. We need a deal with the USA. If we only get 1 or neither, it could be really bad for us. Does the reporting in the USA mention the border issue between Ireland and N Ireland? I got the impression that's what would really stop us getting a deal with the USA. It has been mentioned but its more to do with the terrorist element money raising here in the past we don't want repeated. One of the biggest negatives though for you is the reports we get about derogatory British remarks towards our food not being fit but you want to sell food to us. The agricultural and meat lobbyists are making a lot of noise about it and they have the ear of many in power. Yeah this is our big worry. They would have to change a lot of laws around food safety standards. Especially to do with animal husbandry and the use of growth hormones. All current illegal in the EU. No you just pump your cattle full of antibiotics you have selectively bred them. You do know the UK buys Pork from Holland which keeps pigs locked in pens and clips the beaks of chickens so they don't peck each other and spoil the meet. Its economics its attitudes from all parties but a deal looks unlikely in the near future. I do wonder how the Tories will try and spin it all if/when it becomes clear we're not getting a deal with the EU or the USA." It already is a duel pronged approach. 1. We wanted no deal all along. Besides it's called "Australia style deal" now. 2. Blame remainers. | |||
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"Its been on the morning news you are not getting a deal over here its not looknig good at all. You mean it's being reported in the USA we're not getting a deal with the USA? I would doubt it the feeling is you only want trade on your terms so its unlikely to happen and being honest its you who needs a trade deal not us Oh absolutely. We need a deal with the EU. We need a deal with the USA. If we only get 1 or neither, it could be really bad for us. Does the reporting in the USA mention the border issue between Ireland and N Ireland? I got the impression that's what would really stop us getting a deal with the USA. It has been mentioned but its more to do with the terrorist element money raising here in the past we don't want repeated. One of the biggest negatives though for you is the reports we get about derogatory British remarks towards our food not being fit but you want to sell food to us. The agricultural and meat lobbyists are making a lot of noise about it and they have the ear of many in power. Yeah this is our big worry. They would have to change a lot of laws around food safety standards. Especially to do with animal husbandry and the use of growth hormones. All current illegal in the EU. No you just pump your cattle full of antibiotics you have selectively bred them. You do know the UK buys Pork from Holland which keeps pigs locked in pens and clips the beaks of chickens so they don't peck each other and spoil the meet. Its economics its attitudes from all parties but a deal looks unlikely in the near future. I do wonder how the Tories will try and spin it all if/when it becomes clear we're not getting a deal with the EU or the USA. It already is a duel pronged approach. 1. We wanted no deal all along. Besides it's called "Australia style deal" now. 2. Blame remainers." Feels like that was all aimed at the EU, though. Won't they struggle to push the same narrative when it comes to the USA? | |||
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"Apparently there was a piece in the observer yday saying gove and sunak are backtracking,as the figures predicted for no deal are eye watering. I think we will get some sort of deal and spin it that the eu backed down." looks like talks are back on after the Barnier tweet | |||
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"Apparently there was a piece in the observer yday saying gove and sunak are backtracking,as the figures predicted for no deal are eye watering. I think we will get some sort of deal and spin it that the eu backed down." Hopefully. They've been seemingly pushing towards no deal for some time. If they start changing course, we should see more and more signs of it. | |||
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"Apparently there was a piece in the observer yday saying gove and sunak are backtracking,as the figures predicted for no deal are eye watering. I think we will get some sort of deal and spin it that the eu backed down. looks like talks are back on after the Barnier tweet " A tweet won't restart talks | |||
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"Apparently there was a piece in the observer yday saying gove and sunak are backtracking,as the figures predicted for no deal are eye watering. I think we will get some sort of deal and spin it that the eu backed down. looks like talks are back on after the Barnier tweet A tweet won't restart talks " so are you saying the face to face talks won’t happen then ? | |||
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"Apparently there was a piece in the observer yday saying gove and sunak are backtracking,as the figures predicted for no deal are eye watering. I think we will get some sort of deal and spin it that the eu backed down. looks like talks are back on after the Barnier tweet " Uk to Barnier. "we are here to talk" Barnier to UK. "we are here to talk" Looks like a cock waving contest to me! | |||
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"Apparently there was a piece in the observer yday saying gove and sunak are backtracking,as the figures predicted for no deal are eye watering. I think we will get some sort of deal and spin it that the eu backed down. looks like talks are back on after the Barnier tweet Uk to Barnier. "we are here to talk" Barnier to UK. "we are here to talk" Looks like a cock waving contest to me! " did you read the tweet ? | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking " If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. | |||
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"Apparently there was a piece in the observer yday saying gove and sunak are backtracking,as the figures predicted for no deal are eye watering. I think we will get some sort of deal and spin it that the eu backed down. looks like talks are back on after the Barnier tweet Uk to Barnier. "we are here to talk" Barnier to UK. "we are here to talk" Looks like a cock waving contest to me! did you read the tweet ?" Yes | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. " agre with some of that not sure about the ww3 bit lol | |||
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"News reports over here are suggesting there may be food shortages over there in January and maybe even fuel issues as there won't be a deal. " can believe the fuel issues as the fuel tanker drivers have just voted for industrial action so will disrupt the supply of fuel | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. agre with some of that not sure about the ww3 bit lol" It was a joke although I wouldn’t put it past him to sell us his deal as the biggest achievement in human history. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. " The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. " The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. " They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it." The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid." Who knows? There is no end to people’s naivety. Talking of spin, you’ve got to love the headline of the Torygraph at the mo. ‘Barnier blinks first’ because he said that there would be intensive talks from now on. It’s funny how I would have said that the UK had blinked first by leaving the door more than ajar after setting an artificial deadline, What a rag, the Tory graph is. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid." from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. " Hopefully. But between Brexit and the lousy covid response, the Tories will have done huge and lasting damage to the country by that point. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. " People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. " Wishful thinking there Big chunks of the population are fully behind them | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action." you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them " Nar, all the main Tory Henchmen, and the rightwing media, cranked up the leave propaganda. Brexit is the ruling classes wet dream. The blame for it lies squarely at the feet of the Tories. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them Nar, all the main Tory Henchmen, and the rightwing media, cranked up the leave propaganda. Brexit is the ruling classes wet dream. The blame for it lies squarely at the feet of the Tories." And the people who voted for it. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them Nar, all the main Tory Henchmen, and the rightwing media, cranked up the leave propaganda. Brexit is the ruling classes wet dream. The blame for it lies squarely at the feet of the Tories." you can’t of got the leaflet in yr letter box then 9 million I think they spent on remain lol | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them Nar, all the main Tory Henchmen, and the rightwing media, cranked up the leave propaganda. Brexit is the ruling classes wet dream. The blame for it lies squarely at the feet of the Tories.you can’t of got the leaflet in yr letter box then 9 million I think they spent on remain lol" Murdoch supported leave with his media empire. I'd bet that had a way bigger effect than leaflets. I'd also bet Cummings' online activities had a bigger effect than we will ever know. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them Nar, all the main Tory Henchmen, and the rightwing media, cranked up the leave propaganda. Brexit is the ruling classes wet dream. The blame for it lies squarely at the feet of the Tories.you can’t of got the leaflet in yr letter box then 9 million I think they spent on remain lol" The government was legally obliged to provide to the population. And to Lionel's comment. Some blame does go to the people who voted for it. I agree, people should have the gumption to learn about the world around them. But the Tories and their various sponsors/donors are the ones to blame for putting the country in the ridiculous position of having a vote on it on the first place. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them Nar, all the main Tory Henchmen, and the rightwing media, cranked up the leave propaganda. Brexit is the ruling classes wet dream. The blame for it lies squarely at the feet of the Tories.you can’t of got the leaflet in yr letter box then 9 million I think they spent on remain lol The government was legally obliged to provide to the population. And to Lionel's comment. Some blame does go to the people who voted for it. I agree, people should have the gumption to learn about the world around them. But the Tories and their various sponsors/donors are the ones to blame for putting the country in the ridiculous position of having a vote on it on the first place." Cameron especially. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them Nar, all the main Tory Henchmen, and the rightwing media, cranked up the leave propaganda. Brexit is the ruling classes wet dream. The blame for it lies squarely at the feet of the Tories.you can’t of got the leaflet in yr letter box then 9 million I think they spent on remain lol The government was legally obliged to provide to the population. And to Lionel's comment. Some blame does go to the people who voted for it. I agree, people should have the gumption to learn about the world around them. But the Tories and their various sponsors/donors are the ones to blame for putting the country in the ridiculous position of having a vote on it on the first place." Wow, you guys really need to take a step backwards for a minute and breath.! All your ranting about what may happen is at this moment just pie in the sky. However what is concerning is the view of the UK people should never been able to vote in the first place. Being in the EU is something that the UK people never had a say in. We had one in the 70's for the ECC but not the EU, it undoubtedly is not the thing the UK people voted to be in. Let's not forget either after a vote in Parliament 555 MP's agreed to hold the 2016 referendum and implement the result whatever the result was. Maybe after the referendum if all of those 555 MP's actually did what they agreed to do we would have left earlier, had a strong negotiating stance and stood firm against the EU negotiating team. But what we had was a PM who campaigned to remain who had to resign and an opposition leader who want to leave who but lead a party who wanted to remain. Remember we as the people have the right and ability to vote. It is something that was fault for and earned over the years. If you think otherwise you should be totally ashamed of yourself. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them Nar, all the main Tory Henchmen, and the rightwing media, cranked up the leave propaganda. Brexit is the ruling classes wet dream. The blame for it lies squarely at the feet of the Tories.you can’t of got the leaflet in yr letter box then 9 million I think they spent on remain lol The government was legally obliged to provide to the population. And to Lionel's comment. Some blame does go to the people who voted for it. I agree, people should have the gumption to learn about the world around them. But the Tories and their various sponsors/donors are the ones to blame for putting the country in the ridiculous position of having a vote on it on the first place. Wow, you guys really need to take a step backwards for a minute and breath.! All your ranting about what may happen is at this moment just pie in the sky. However what is concerning is the view of the UK people should never been able to vote in the first place. Being in the EU is something that the UK people never had a say in. We had one in the 70's for the ECC but not the EU, it undoubtedly is not the thing the UK people voted to be in. Let's not forget either after a vote in Parliament 555 MP's agreed to hold the 2016 referendum and implement the result whatever the result was. Maybe after the referendum if all of those 555 MP's actually did what they agreed to do we would have left earlier, had a strong negotiating stance and stood firm against the EU negotiating team. But what we had was a PM who campaigned to remain who had to resign and an opposition leader who want to leave who but lead a party who wanted to remain. Remember we as the people have the right and ability to vote. It is something that was fault for and earned over the years. If you think otherwise you should be totally ashamed of yourself." We, the people, do have a right to vote. Sadly we, the people, have been manipulated by Murdoch's lies and spin for many years. Russia also meddled in the Brexit vote. As such, the Brexit vote wasn't remotely fair. I'd have been happy with a fair vote, based on facts. That's not what we got. | |||
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"A load of crap it will be at least 5 years before we can judge the effects of Brexit and the stupid fear mongers are starting up again" At least 5 years? That is good to know , | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking " There is every point in talking. Do your research and see WTO rules and tariffs. They will be catastrophic for many businesses in the UK | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them Nar, all the main Tory Henchmen, and the rightwing media, cranked up the leave propaganda. Brexit is the ruling classes wet dream. The blame for it lies squarely at the feet of the Tories.you can’t of got the leaflet in yr letter box then 9 million I think they spent on remain lol The government was legally obliged to provide to the population. And to Lionel's comment. Some blame does go to the people who voted for it. I agree, people should have the gumption to learn about the world around them. But the Tories and their various sponsors/donors are the ones to blame for putting the country in the ridiculous position of having a vote on it on the first place. Wow, you guys really need to take a step backwards for a minute and breath.! All your ranting about what may happen is at this moment just pie in the sky. However what is concerning is the view of the UK people should never been able to vote in the first place. Being in the EU is something that the UK people never had a say in. We had one in the 70's for the ECC but not the EU, it undoubtedly is not the thing the UK people voted to be in. Let's not forget either after a vote in Parliament 555 MP's agreed to hold the 2016 referendum and implement the result whatever the result was. Maybe after the referendum if all of those 555 MP's actually did what they agreed to do we would have left earlier, had a strong negotiating stance and stood firm against the EU negotiating team. But what we had was a PM who campaigned to remain who had to resign and an opposition leader who want to leave who but lead a party who wanted to remain. Remember we as the people have the right and ability to vote. It is something that was fault for and earned over the years. If you think otherwise you should be totally ashamed of yourself." I called it earlier. "Blame remainders". On a side note. I'm all for free and fair democracy. This was neither. | |||
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"Apparently there was a piece in the observer yday saying gove and sunak are backtracking,as the figures predicted for no deal are eye watering. I think we will get some sort of deal and spin it that the eu backed down. looks like talks are back on after the Barnier tweet Uk to Barnier. "we are here to talk" Barnier to UK. "we are here to talk" Looks like a cock waving contest to me! " Yes , and the EU have a much bigger cock than the UK | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them " How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. " A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO." Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO." Maybe they thought the referendum would be fair? | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe they thought the referendum would be fair?" Such a pathetic response. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... " there was one CORBYN | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe they thought the referendum would be fair? Such a pathetic response." Why? | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe they thought the referendum would be fair? Such a pathetic response. Why?" Because they should have known better? | |||
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"A load of crap it will be at least 5 years before we can judge the effects of Brexit and the stupid fear mongers are starting up again In the meantime we just have: £200 billion a year cost to the economy. Countless billions wasted during the transition period. Business closing or leaving the UK. Losing the right to live and work in Europe. Having our safety standards negotiated away in the trade deals. Having an internal border in Kent. Shortages of nurses and seasonal workers. And you're saying we need to wait five more years for the really bad stuff! Holy moly." Well said Skysurfer. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe they thought the referendum would be fair? Such a pathetic response. Why? Because they should have known better?" I meant why was the response pathetic? It wasn't aimed at you. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe they thought the referendum would be fair? Such a pathetic response." Why? Was mine pathetic or are you not interested in it? | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN " Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. " your normally better than that mate we all know he was a leaver he done himself no favours not comeing out and saying so made him look weak | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe they thought the referendum would be fair? Such a pathetic response." Are you going to get the Brexit you voted for? | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. " Corbyn has never been a pro EU person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTvsqUphMc | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. Corbyn has never been a pro EU person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTvsqUphMc" So now leavers have gone from Corbyn being the anti-christ to a fellow leaver? | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. Corbyn has never been a pro EU person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTvsqUphMc So now leavers have gone from Corbyn being the anti-christ to a fellow leaver?" By making Labour unelectable he proved to be a very effective leaver | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. Corbyn has never been a pro EU person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTvsqUphMc So now leavers have gone from Corbyn being the anti-christ to a fellow leaver?" is that what he was to Labour leave voters ? and yes he was a fellow leaver just lacked the balls to come out and say so or am I wrong ? | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. Corbyn has never been a pro EU person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTvsqUphMc So now leavers have gone from Corbyn being the anti-christ to a fellow leaver?" There have been some people saying certain MP's got a bad press and always had integrity. However here we have a MP who was never a fan of the EU leading a party who were for staying in the EU. So much for sticking to his guns. Its also worth noting that although he voiced his opinions against the EU, when it came to the Parliament vote on whether to hold a referendum he sat on the fence and never voted either way! Such a pillar of integrity eh.! | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. Corbyn has never been a pro EU person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTvsqUphMc So now leavers have gone from Corbyn being the anti-christ to a fellow leaver? There have been some people saying certain MP's got a bad press and always had integrity. However here we have a MP who was never a fan of the EU leading a party who were for staying in the EU. So much for sticking to his guns. Its also worth noting that although he voiced his opinions against the EU, when it came to the Parliament vote on whether to hold a referendum he sat on the fence and never voted either way! Such a pillar of integrity eh.!" As a leader of a party he had the integrity to follow what the majority wanted, do you think he should have ignored his fellow party members? Would you prefer a dictator in charge ? Ah | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. Corbyn has never been a pro EU person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTvsqUphMc So now leavers have gone from Corbyn being the anti-christ to a fellow leaver? There have been some people saying certain MP's got a bad press and always had integrity. However here we have a MP who was never a fan of the EU leading a party who were for staying in the EU. So much for sticking to his guns. Its also worth noting that although he voiced his opinions against the EU, when it came to the Parliament vote on whether to hold a referendum he sat on the fence and never voted either way! Such a pillar of integrity eh.!" Didn't he lead Labour with the line to get people to vote on the deal rather than remain? | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. Corbyn has never been a pro EU person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTvsqUphMc So now leavers have gone from Corbyn being the anti-christ to a fellow leaver? There have been some people saying certain MP's got a bad press and always had integrity. However here we have a MP who was never a fan of the EU leading a party who were for staying in the EU. So much for sticking to his guns. Its also worth noting that although he voiced his opinions against the EU, when it came to the Parliament vote on whether to hold a referendum he sat on the fence and never voted either way! Such a pillar of integrity eh.! As a leader of a party he had the integrity to follow what the majority wanted, do you think he should have ignored his fellow party members? Would you prefer a dictator in charge ? Ah " wasnt it around 60% labour voters who voted leave ??? | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. Corbyn has never been a pro EU person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTvsqUphMc So now leavers have gone from Corbyn being the anti-christ to a fellow leaver? There have been some people saying certain MP's got a bad press and always had integrity. However here we have a MP who was never a fan of the EU leading a party who were for staying in the EU. So much for sticking to his guns. Its also worth noting that although he voiced his opinions against the EU, when it came to the Parliament vote on whether to hold a referendum he sat on the fence and never voted either way! Such a pillar of integrity eh.! As a leader of a party he had the integrity to follow what the majority wanted, do you think he should have ignored his fellow party members? Would you prefer a dictator in charge ? Ah wasnt it around 60% labour voters who voted leave ???" Around 60% , rather a vague figure. Corbyn probably wanted the UK to leave the EU but I am convinced he didn’t want to leave with the 2 options we now have available hence is push for a second or confirmation referendum. What percentage of the convertible voter voted to leave ?? | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. Corbyn has never been a pro EU person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTvsqUphMc So now leavers have gone from Corbyn being the anti-christ to a fellow leaver? There have been some people saying certain MP's got a bad press and always had integrity. However here we have a MP who was never a fan of the EU leading a party who were for staying in the EU. So much for sticking to his guns. Its also worth noting that although he voiced his opinions against the EU, when it came to the Parliament vote on whether to hold a referendum he sat on the fence and never voted either way! Such a pillar of integrity eh.! As a leader of a party he had the integrity to follow what the majority wanted, do you think he should have ignored his fellow party members? Would you prefer a dictator in charge ? Ah wasnt it around 60% labour voters who voted leave ???" https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48039984 Its central estimate for the 2017 election was that 30% of Labour voters had voted Leave in the referendum. Labour received 12,877,918 votes in that election - 30% of that would be 3.9 million. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe they thought the referendum would be fair? Such a pathetic response." Wanna explain why? | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. Corbyn has never been a pro EU person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTvsqUphMc So now leavers have gone from Corbyn being the anti-christ to a fellow leaver? There have been some people saying certain MP's got a bad press and always had integrity. However here we have a MP who was never a fan of the EU leading a party who were for staying in the EU. So much for sticking to his guns. Its also worth noting that although he voiced his opinions against the EU, when it came to the Parliament vote on whether to hold a referendum he sat on the fence and never voted either way! Such a pillar of integrity eh.!" Jeremy Look at how you are still.able to wind up Tories and brexiteers, even when you are not leader Anymore. Hero. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. Corbyn has never been a pro EU person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTvsqUphMc So now leavers have gone from Corbyn being the anti-christ to a fellow leaver? There have been some people saying certain MP's got a bad press and always had integrity. However here we have a MP who was never a fan of the EU leading a party who were for staying in the EU. So much for sticking to his guns. Its also worth noting that although he voiced his opinions against the EU, when it came to the Parliament vote on whether to hold a referendum he sat on the fence and never voted either way! Such a pillar of integrity eh.! Jeremy Look at how you are still.able to wind up Tories and brexiteers, even when you are not leader Anymore. Hero." Living in their heads rent free, if we leave the EU without a deal , it’s obviously JCs fault | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. Corbyn has never been a pro EU person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTvsqUphMc So now leavers have gone from Corbyn being the anti-christ to a fellow leaver? There have been some people saying certain MP's got a bad press and always had integrity. However here we have a MP who was never a fan of the EU leading a party who were for staying in the EU. So much for sticking to his guns. Its also worth noting that although he voiced his opinions against the EU, when it came to the Parliament vote on whether to hold a referendum he sat on the fence and never voted either way! Such a pillar of integrity eh.! As a leader of a party he had the integrity to follow what the majority wanted, do you think he should have ignored his fellow party members? Would you prefer a dictator in charge ? Ah wasnt it around 60% labour voters who voted leave ??? https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48039984 Its central estimate for the 2017 election was that 30% of Labour voters had voted Leave in the referendum. Labour received 12,877,918 votes in that election - 30% of that would be 3.9 million. " okies I wasn’t sure I just remember something about the 60% I stand corrected then lol | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. Corbyn has never been a pro EU person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTvsqUphMc So now leavers have gone from Corbyn being the anti-christ to a fellow leaver? There have been some people saying certain MP's got a bad press and always had integrity. However here we have a MP who was never a fan of the EU leading a party who were for staying in the EU. So much for sticking to his guns. Its also worth noting that although he voiced his opinions against the EU, when it came to the Parliament vote on whether to hold a referendum he sat on the fence and never voted either way! Such a pillar of integrity eh.! As a leader of a party he had the integrity to follow what the majority wanted, do you think he should have ignored his fellow party members? Would you prefer a dictator in charge ? Ah wasnt it around 60% labour voters who voted leave ??? https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48039984 Its central estimate for the 2017 election was that 30% of Labour voters had voted Leave in the referendum. Labour received 12,877,918 votes in that election - 30% of that would be 3.9 million. okies I wasn’t sure I just remember something about the 60% I stand corrected then lol" Anyhow. It's interesting to see how Labour and Corbyn were reported on in the media during the last election. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. Corbyn has never been a pro EU person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTvsqUphMc So now leavers have gone from Corbyn being the anti-christ to a fellow leaver? There have been some people saying certain MP's got a bad press and always had integrity. However here we have a MP who was never a fan of the EU leading a party who were for staying in the EU. So much for sticking to his guns. Its also worth noting that although he voiced his opinions against the EU, when it came to the Parliament vote on whether to hold a referendum he sat on the fence and never voted either way! Such a pillar of integrity eh.! As a leader of a party he had the integrity to follow what the majority wanted, do you think he should have ignored his fellow party members? Would you prefer a dictator in charge ? Ah wasnt it around 60% labour voters who voted leave ??? https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48039984 Its central estimate for the 2017 election was that 30% of Labour voters had voted Leave in the referendum. Labour received 12,877,918 votes in that election - 30% of that would be 3.9 million. okies I wasn’t sure I just remember something about the 60% I stand corrected then lol" If the majority of Labour voters wanted to remain why did they loose the election so badly. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. Corbyn has never been a pro EU person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTvsqUphMc So now leavers have gone from Corbyn being the anti-christ to a fellow leaver? There have been some people saying certain MP's got a bad press and always had integrity. However here we have a MP who was never a fan of the EU leading a party who were for staying in the EU. So much for sticking to his guns. Its also worth noting that although he voiced his opinions against the EU, when it came to the Parliament vote on whether to hold a referendum he sat on the fence and never voted either way! Such a pillar of integrity eh.! As a leader of a party he had the integrity to follow what the majority wanted, do you think he should have ignored his fellow party members? Would you prefer a dictator in charge ? Ah wasnt it around 60% labour voters who voted leave ??? https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48039984 Its central estimate for the 2017 election was that 30% of Labour voters had voted Leave in the referendum. Labour received 12,877,918 votes in that election - 30% of that would be 3.9 million. okies I wasn’t sure I just remember something about the 60% I stand corrected then lol If the majority of Labour voters wanted to remain why did they loose the election so badly. " This is an excellent question. The sad truth is that 30% is a fuck load of voters. If only half of them defected to the dark side. Boom Labour decimated. You have to remember how strong the anti Corbyn propaganda and smear campaign was at the time. That probably played a part too. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. Corbyn has never been a pro EU person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTvsqUphMc So now leavers have gone from Corbyn being the anti-christ to a fellow leaver? There have been some people saying certain MP's got a bad press and always had integrity. However here we have a MP who was never a fan of the EU leading a party who were for staying in the EU. So much for sticking to his guns. Its also worth noting that although he voiced his opinions against the EU, when it came to the Parliament vote on whether to hold a referendum he sat on the fence and never voted either way! Such a pillar of integrity eh.! As a leader of a party he had the integrity to follow what the majority wanted, do you think he should have ignored his fellow party members? Would you prefer a dictator in charge ? Ah wasnt it around 60% labour voters who voted leave ??? https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48039984 Its central estimate for the 2017 election was that 30% of Labour voters had voted Leave in the referendum. Labour received 12,877,918 votes in that election - 30% of that would be 3.9 million. okies I wasn’t sure I just remember something about the 60% I stand corrected then lol Anyhow. It's interesting to see how Labour and Corbyn were reported on in the media during the last election. " they didn’t help themselves letting abbott and thornberry appear on tv bastard car crash’s every time | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. Corbyn has never been a pro EU person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTvsqUphMc So now leavers have gone from Corbyn being the anti-christ to a fellow leaver? There have been some people saying certain MP's got a bad press and always had integrity. However here we have a MP who was never a fan of the EU leading a party who were for staying in the EU. So much for sticking to his guns. Its also worth noting that although he voiced his opinions against the EU, when it came to the Parliament vote on whether to hold a referendum he sat on the fence and never voted either way! Such a pillar of integrity eh.! As a leader of a party he had the integrity to follow what the majority wanted, do you think he should have ignored his fellow party members? Would you prefer a dictator in charge ? Ah wasnt it around 60% labour voters who voted leave ??? https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48039984 Its central estimate for the 2017 election was that 30% of Labour voters had voted Leave in the referendum. Labour received 12,877,918 votes in that election - 30% of that would be 3.9 million. okies I wasn’t sure I just remember something about the 60% I stand corrected then lol If the majority of Labour voters wanted to remain why did they loose the election so badly. This is an excellent question. The sad truth is that 30% is a fuck load of voters. If only half of them defected to the dark side. Boom Labour decimated. You have to remember how strong the anti Corbyn propaganda and smear campaign was at the time. That probably played a part too." I read an article recently that Corbyn fans were mostly depressed vegetarians
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"You guys really are on a load of bollox high today. Fact of the matter is, if all the MP's who voted for a referendum and honoured the result. Which is what they said they would do. The Uk would be well clear of the EU by now. Any negotiations would be over and done with because a united parliament would have been behind the UK negotiation team. I admit I may an error before as it was 544 MP in favour of the referendum not 555. 53 no's and 49 MP's sat on the fence." Where did you get this nonsense from? In 2016, even the ERG said it would take five years to separate ourselves from the EU. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. Corbyn has never been a pro EU person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTvsqUphMc So now leavers have gone from Corbyn being the anti-christ to a fellow leaver? There have been some people saying certain MP's got a bad press and always had integrity. However here we have a MP who was never a fan of the EU leading a party who were for staying in the EU. So much for sticking to his guns. Its also worth noting that although he voiced his opinions against the EU, when it came to the Parliament vote on whether to hold a referendum he sat on the fence and never voted either way! Such a pillar of integrity eh.! As a leader of a party he had the integrity to follow what the majority wanted, do you think he should have ignored his fellow party members? Would you prefer a dictator in charge ? Ah wasnt it around 60% labour voters who voted leave ??? https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48039984 Its central estimate for the 2017 election was that 30% of Labour voters had voted Leave in the referendum. Labour received 12,877,918 votes in that election - 30% of that would be 3.9 million. okies I wasn’t sure I just remember something about the 60% I stand corrected then lol If the majority of Labour voters wanted to remain why did they loose the election so badly. " Because leave and remain Tories voted conservative Leave labour voters.. in their wisdom..voted tory. | |||
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"There will not be a deal because the EU still sticking to their terms and will not move and neither will the U.K. there will be trade because that’s what countries do and they sell a heck of a lot of goods to us. It will be on WTO terms because that’s all there is left to use. No point in any more talking If you say so.... However, politicians always think of themselves. A no deal Brexit would be a disastrous blow to the Conservative party. They will do everything they can to get one or they will be paying a heavy price for this politically. Boris would rather shaft the fishermen than bury the Conservative party. I think there will be a deal. Boris will tell us it is a fantastic deal, that we have won WW3, that he’s honoured the will of the people etc... We are used to the bullshit. The Tories don't need a deal. Why do they care? They're the masters of spin. The tories need a deal more than any other party. The hard brexiters don’t but they are a minority of the unicorn believers. They may be the masters of spin but they’d struggle to sell a no deal to anyone with two brain cells. They sold brexit to the population. So why not this? The difference in damage to the country between no deal and Mays repackaged deal is insignificant compared to the gulf in difference between remaining, and Mays repackaged deal. They can do what they want, people always buy into it. The Tories will also bury economic damage from Brexit, claiming it's just more economic damage from covid. from covid." If unemployment goes up and up and people are in the shit for years. Covid or no Covid, deal or no deal, they will kick them out at some point. They are on borrowed time because Labour was not credible with brexit but I think it will soon be the end of the road for the nasty party. People would have voted for Covid-19 if the Tory propaganda machine was cranked into action. you do no there machine was for remain back in 2016 look how that worked for them How does a leaflet compare with 30 years of Dail Mail and Daily Express ( who root for the tories as you know) propaganda? Brexit is a Tory dream that they have managed to sell to a lot of working class people by convincing them that the reason these people are in the shit is because of the EU and Johnny Foreigner. Much easier to blame the EU than admitting that we have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in the EU because of our own politicians. If it was the EU’s fault, why is it that the disparities are not as wide in other European countries? Anyway, the EU was the perfect scapegoat for very British problems created by British politicians. People have been conned and have let themselves be fooled. We now have to bite the bullet. I’m lucky enough not to have to worry about Brexit. I know it won’t affect my job and our earnings. I wish the working class people all the best but something tells me that their life won’t be better than before Brexit. A very important point you conveniently have missed out. When Parliament had a vote on whether to hold a referendum the number of Labour MP's who voted against the idea was ZERO. Yes that is correct, not a single Labour MP voted NO. Maybe because they thought that people in this country wouldn’t be stupid enough to believe the tories’ crap about the EU and that it would be the perfect opportunity to put the debate to bed? For your information, there were not many Labour MP leavers... there was one CORBYN Probably but he never said so, so you can’t count him as a leaver. Corbyn has never been a pro EU person. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXTvsqUphMc So now leavers have gone from Corbyn being the anti-christ to a fellow leaver? There have been some people saying certain MP's got a bad press and always had integrity. However here we have a MP who was never a fan of the EU leading a party who were for staying in the EU. So much for sticking to his guns. Its also worth noting that although he voiced his opinions against the EU, when it came to the Parliament vote on whether to hold a referendum he sat on the fence and never voted either way! Such a pillar of integrity eh.! As a leader of a party he had the integrity to follow what the majority wanted, do you think he should have ignored his fellow party members? Would you prefer a dictator in charge ? Ah wasnt it around 60% labour voters who voted leave ??? https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48039984 Its central estimate for the 2017 election was that 30% of Labour voters had voted Leave in the referendum. Labour received 12,877,918 votes in that election - 30% of that would be 3.9 million. okies I wasn’t sure I just remember something about the 60% I stand corrected then lol If the majority of Labour voters wanted to remain why did they loose the election so badly. This is an excellent question. The sad truth is that 30% is a fuck load of voters. If only half of them defected to the dark side. Boom Labour decimated. You have to remember how strong the anti Corbyn propaganda and smear campaign was at the time. That probably played a part too. I read an article recently that Corbyn fans were mostly depressed vegetarians
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"You guys really are on a load of bollox high today. Fact of the matter is, if all the MP's who voted for a referendum and honoured the result. Which is what they said they would do. The Uk would be well clear of the EU by now. Any negotiations would be over and done with because a united parliament would have been behind the UK negotiation team. I admit I may an error before as it was 544 MP in favour of the referendum not 555. 53 no's and 49 MP's sat on the fence." Like a certain boris johnson who voted against May's deal? | |||
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"c'mon...... is there no part of "certain parts of kent" being turned into the worlds largest car park not in anyway funny....... "That is quite funny. But it will be so much funnier if this petition (https://www.change.org/p/kent-county-council-kent-lorry-park-to-be-named-after-nigel-farage) comes off and they name the car park after Nigel Farage. Only 200 or so votes needed to reach target! | |||
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"You guys really are on a load of bollox high today. Fact of the matter is, if all the MP's who voted for a referendum and honoured the result. Which is what they said they would do. The Uk would be well clear of the EU by now. Any negotiations would be over and done with because a united parliament would have been behind the UK negotiation team. I admit I may an error before as it was 544 MP in favour of the referendum not 555. 53 no's and 49 MP's sat on the fence." You’re right they did mostly agree to follow the vote and so they should. I’d be curious how may of them would agree now knowing we are potentially crashing out without a deal. Brexiteers claimed this was the easiest deal ever (Boris) and we hold all the cards (Gove) Also it didn’t matter if we left with 100% of Parliament behind Brexit and left two years ago. If we didn’t have a deal then, the resultant financial mess would still be the same. ( they just couldn’t blame Covid) We have no cards to play other than a bit of fishing which amounts to next to nothing in the scheme of things. Europe doesn’t “need “ to buy anything from us or sell anything to us ( exception maybe Eire at 7- 10% of their exports but their need is dropping dramatically due to Apple ) 43% of our exports go to the EU Next in percentage exports to us Belgium 8% Netherlands 7% every other country less than 5%... Germany 3% . Bet their quaking in their boots listening to Gove. The only real power we had was financial services which whilst it’s still mostly still here it’s very much weakened by funds moving to the EU to register. The EU won’t let them just put a plaque on the walls of Paris and Frankfurt to get banking rights they will want substantial business done there and jobs based there. They will want tax visibility of those funds which is one of the primary reasons the U.K. mega rich backed. Brexit. Leaving isn’t winning in itself unless you wanted a blue passport. Leaving to be better off is winning. Let’s all see how we get on next January because so far we seem to be walking away and losing more with every step. Freedom from some bogey man EU Parliament is nuts as we have our own corrupt parliament which is still there. In my opinion one corrupt rule for another but the EU openness was good for business. I won’t include racist bigots who were against immigration who think they’ve won because that just doesn’t count in any mature educated adult view. | |||
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"A load of crap it will be at least 5 years before we can judge the effects of Brexit and the stupid fear mongers are starting up again Yep, Brexit's a load of crap. Always nice when you agree on that. "You must be in politics the way you twist things or maybe just thick whoops most politions are thick | |||
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"You guys really are on a load of bollox high today. Fact of the matter is, if all the MP's who voted for a referendum and honoured the result. Which is what they said they would do. The Uk would be well clear of the EU by now. Any negotiations would be over and done with because a united parliament would have been behind the UK negotiation team. I admit I may an error before as it was 544 MP in favour of the referendum not 555. 53 no's and 49 MP's sat on the fence. You’re right they did mostly agree to follow the vote and so they should. I’d be curious how may of them would agree now knowing we are potentially crashing out without a deal. Brexiteers claimed this was the easiest deal ever (Boris) and we hold all the cards (Gove) Also it didn’t matter if we left with 100% of Parliament behind Brexit and left two years ago. If we didn’t have a deal then, the resultant financial mess would still be the same. ( they just couldn’t blame Covid) We have no cards to play other than a bit of fishing which amounts to next to nothing in the scheme of things. Europe doesn’t “need “ to buy anything from us or sell anything to us ( exception maybe Eire at 7- 10% of their exports but their need is dropping dramatically due to Apple ) 43% of our exports go to the EU Next in percentage exports to us Belgium 8% Netherlands 7% every other country less than 5%... Germany 3% . Bet their quaking in their boots listening to Gove. The only real power we had was financial services which whilst it’s still mostly still here it’s very much weakened by funds moving to the EU to register. The EU won’t let them just put a plaque on the walls of Paris and Frankfurt to get banking rights they will want substantial business done there and jobs based there. They will want tax visibility of those funds which is one of the primary reasons the U.K. mega rich backed. Brexit. Leaving isn’t winning in itself unless you wanted a blue passport. Leaving to be better off is winning. Let’s all see how we get on next January because so far we seem to be walking away and losing more with every step. Freedom from some bogey man EU Parliament is nuts as we have our own corrupt parliament which is still there. In my opinion one corrupt rule for another but the EU openness was good for business. I won’t include racist bigots who were against immigration who think they’ve won because that just doesn’t count in any mature educated adult view. " So if the EU don't want to buy anything from us or sell anything to us why are they negotiating. Or what are they negotiating as your saying there will be no trade which also means no lorry Que at the ports. | |||
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"A load of crap it will be at least 5 years before we can judge the effects of Brexit and the stupid fear mongers are starting up again In the meantime we just have: £200 billion a year cost to the economy. Countless billions wasted during the transition period. Business closing or leaving the UK. Losing the right to live and work in Europe. Having our safety standards negotiated away in the trade deals. Having an internal border in Kent. Shortages of nurses and seasonal workers. And you're saying we need to wait five more years for the really bad stuff! Holy moly. Our national credit rating has also been lowered True. Which will slow any economic recovery. I guess these were just a few examples. There isn't enough time in the day to list all the interim negatives of brexit so far. I'm really not looking forward to all the real shit in five years though." That wasn't mentioned on the ballot paper  | |||
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"You guys really are on a load of bollox high today. Fact of the matter is, if all the MP's who voted for a referendum and honoured the result. Which is what they said they would do. The Uk would be well clear of the EU by now. Any negotiations would be over and done with because a united parliament would have been behind the UK negotiation team. I admit I may an error before as it was 544 MP in favour of the referendum not 555. 53 no's and 49 MP's sat on the fence. You’re right they did mostly agree to follow the vote and so they should. I’d be curious how may of them would agree now knowing we are potentially crashing out without a deal. Brexiteers claimed this was the easiest deal ever (Boris) and we hold all the cards (Gove) Also it didn’t matter if we left with 100% of Parliament behind Brexit and left two years ago. If we didn’t have a deal then, the resultant financial mess would still be the same. ( they just couldn’t blame Covid) We have no cards to play other than a bit of fishing which amounts to next to nothing in the scheme of things. Europe doesn’t “need “ to buy anything from us or sell anything to us ( exception maybe Eire at 7- 10% of their exports but their need is dropping dramatically due to Apple ) 43% of our exports go to the EU Next in percentage exports to us Belgium 8% Netherlands 7% every other country less than 5%... Germany 3% . Bet their quaking in their boots listening to Gove. The only real power we had was financial services which whilst it’s still mostly still here it’s very much weakened by funds moving to the EU to register. The EU won’t let them just put a plaque on the walls of Paris and Frankfurt to get banking rights they will want substantial business done there and jobs based there. They will want tax visibility of those funds which is one of the primary reasons the U.K. mega rich backed. Brexit. Leaving isn’t winning in itself unless you wanted a blue passport. Leaving to be better off is winning. Let’s all see how we get on next January because so far we seem to be walking away and losing more with every step. Freedom from some bogey man EU Parliament is nuts as we have our own corrupt parliament which is still there. In my opinion one corrupt rule for another but the EU openness was good for business. I won’t include racist bigots who were against immigration who think they’ve won because that just doesn’t count in any mature educated adult view. " Have you every watched what Tony Benn thought of the EU? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f0wFii8klNg | |||
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"You guys really are on a load of bollox high today. Fact of the matter is, if all the MP's who voted for a referendum and honoured the result. Which is what they said they would do. The Uk would be well clear of the EU by now. Any negotiations would be over and done with because a united parliament would have been behind the UK negotiation team. I admit I may an error before as it was 544 MP in favour of the referendum not 555. 53 no's and 49 MP's sat on the fence. You’re right they did mostly agree to follow the vote and so they should. I’d be curious how may of them would agree now knowing we are potentially crashing out without a deal. Brexiteers claimed this was the easiest deal ever (Boris) and we hold all the cards (Gove) Also it didn’t matter if we left with 100% of Parliament behind Brexit and left two years ago. If we didn’t have a deal then, the resultant financial mess would still be the same. ( they just couldn’t blame Covid) We have no cards to play other than a bit of fishing which amounts to next to nothing in the scheme of things. Europe doesn’t “need “ to buy anything from us or sell anything to us ( exception maybe Eire at 7- 10% of their exports but their need is dropping dramatically due to Apple ) 43% of our exports go to the EU Next in percentage exports to us Belgium 8% Netherlands 7% every other country less than 5%... Germany 3% . Bet their quaking in their boots listening to Gove. The only real power we had was financial services which whilst it’s still mostly still here it’s very much weakened by funds moving to the EU to register. The EU won’t let them just put a plaque on the walls of Paris and Frankfurt to get banking rights they will want substantial business done there and jobs based there. They will want tax visibility of those funds which is one of the primary reasons the U.K. mega rich backed. Brexit. Leaving isn’t winning in itself unless you wanted a blue passport. Leaving to be better off is winning. Let’s all see how we get on next January because so far we seem to be walking away and losing more with every step. Freedom from some bogey man EU Parliament is nuts as we have our own corrupt parliament which is still there. In my opinion one corrupt rule for another but the EU openness was good for business. I won’t include racist bigots who were against immigration who think they’ve won because that just doesn’t count in any mature educated adult view. Have you every watched what Tony Benn thought of the EU? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f0wFii8klNg " The traditional left of the labour party distrusted the eu as they thought it represented big business. That was about 40 years ago so extremely topical. | |||
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" I read an article recently that Corbyn fans were mostly depressed vegetarians
If true, I wonder how that affected their powers of reasoning?
And what piece of journalistic excellence did you read that in?"You can't keep falling for this one, you just can't 
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"You guys really are on a load of bollox high today. Fact of the matter is, if all the MP's who voted for a referendum and honoured the result. Which is what they said they would do. The Uk would be well clear of the EU by now. Any negotiations would be over and done with because a united parliament would have been behind the UK negotiation team. I admit I may an error before as it was 544 MP in favour of the referendum not 555. 53 no's and 49 MP's sat on the fence. You’re right they did mostly agree to follow the vote and so they should. I’d be curious how may of them would agree now knowing we are potentially crashing out without a deal. Brexiteers claimed this was the easiest deal ever (Boris) and we hold all the cards (Gove) Also it didn’t matter if we left with 100% of Parliament behind Brexit and left two years ago. If we didn’t have a deal then, the resultant financial mess would still be the same. ( they just couldn’t blame Covid) We have no cards to play other than a bit of fishing which amounts to next to nothing in the scheme of things. Europe doesn’t “need “ to buy anything from us or sell anything to us ( exception maybe Eire at 7- 10% of their exports but their need is dropping dramatically due to Apple ) 43% of our exports go to the EU Next in percentage exports to us Belgium 8% Netherlands 7% every other country less than 5%... Germany 3% . Bet their quaking in their boots listening to Gove. The only real power we had was financial services which whilst it’s still mostly still here it’s very much weakened by funds moving to the EU to register. The EU won’t let them just put a plaque on the walls of Paris and Frankfurt to get banking rights they will want substantial business done there and jobs based there. They will want tax visibility of those funds which is one of the primary reasons the U.K. mega rich backed. Brexit. Leaving isn’t winning in itself unless you wanted a blue passport. Leaving to be better off is winning. Let’s all see how we get on next January because so far we seem to be walking away and losing more with every step. Freedom from some bogey man EU Parliament is nuts as we have our own corrupt parliament which is still there. In my opinion one corrupt rule for another but the EU openness was good for business. I won’t include racist bigots who were against immigration who think they’ve won because that just doesn’t count in any mature educated adult view. Have you every watched what Tony Benn thought of the EU? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f0wFii8klNg The traditional left of the labour party distrusted the eu as they thought it represented big business. That was about 40 years ago so extremely topical." Here's another one. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQY2CHx4d3U | |||
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You can't keep falling for this one, you just can't
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-supporters-depressed-vegetarians-young-women-wales-a7236101.html"What the fuck is vegetarian dal? | |||
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"You guys really are on a load of bollox high today. Fact of the matter is, if all the MP's who voted for a referendum and honoured the result. Which is what they said they would do. The Uk would be well clear of the EU by now. Any negotiations would be over and done with because a united parliament would have been behind the UK negotiation team. I admit I may an error before as it was 544 MP in favour of the referendum not 555. 53 no's and 49 MP's sat on the fence. You’re right they did mostly agree to follow the vote and so they should. I’d be curious how may of them would agree now knowing we are potentially crashing out without a deal. Brexiteers claimed this was the easiest deal ever (Boris) and we hold all the cards (Gove) Also it didn’t matter if we left with 100% of Parliament behind Brexit and left two years ago. If we didn’t have a deal then, the resultant financial mess would still be the same. ( they just couldn’t blame Covid) We have no cards to play other than a bit of fishing which amounts to next to nothing in the scheme of things. Europe doesn’t “need “ to buy anything from us or sell anything to us ( exception maybe Eire at 7- 10% of their exports but their need is dropping dramatically due to Apple ) 43% of our exports go to the EU Next in percentage exports to us Belgium 8% Netherlands 7% every other country less than 5%... Germany 3% . Bet their quaking in their boots listening to Gove. The only real power we had was financial services which whilst it’s still mostly still here it’s very much weakened by funds moving to the EU to register. The EU won’t let them just put a plaque on the walls of Paris and Frankfurt to get banking rights they will want substantial business done there and jobs based there. They will want tax visibility of those funds which is one of the primary reasons the U.K. mega rich backed. Brexit. Leaving isn’t winning in itself unless you wanted a blue passport. Leaving to be better off is winning. Let’s all see how we get on next January because so far we seem to be walking away and losing more with every step. Freedom from some bogey man EU Parliament is nuts as we have our own corrupt parliament which is still there. In my opinion one corrupt rule for another but the EU openness was good for business. I won’t include racist bigots who were against immigration who think they’ve won because that just doesn’t count in any mature educated adult view. Have you every watched what Tony Benn thought of the EU? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f0wFii8klNg The traditional left of the labour party distrusted the eu as they thought it represented big business. That was about 40 years ago so extremely topical. Here's another one. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQY2CHx4d3U" Isnt that what I just said? The traditional labour left were not keen on the eu Is this news? | |||
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"Well it looks like everything is done now, could be worse, could be better, who knows? Experts say stuff, other experts say stuff. Worried much, not really, just going to stand back and see what transpires. This whole situation has made me indifferent, neither side deserves any plaudits, they have both behaved disgracefully. How did remain disgrace themselves?" For not accepting the result in the first place, but just couldn’t let it go. | |||
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"Well it looks like everything is done now, could be worse, could be better, who knows? Experts say stuff, other experts say stuff. Worried much, not really, just going to stand back and see what transpires. This whole situation has made me indifferent, neither side deserves any plaudits, they have both behaved disgracefully. " How could it be worse? | |||
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I don’t know about then, all I know about is what occurred in the past four years, there was so much venom on both sides, in retrospect it was quite shameful."That's what happens when you split a country into 2. And I only recall 1 side being called traitors by a national newspaper. | |||
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I don’t know about then, all I know about is what occurred in the past four years, there was so much venom on both sides, in retrospect it was quite shameful.
That's what happens when you split a country into 2.
And I only recall 1 side being called traitors by a national newspaper."A few people on here have managed to definitely tip the scales the other way with their disgusting insults. | |||
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I don’t know about then, all I know about is what occurred in the past four years, there was so much venom on both sides, in retrospect it was quite shameful."I agree with this. It's no coincidence though. Getting the population to fight amongst themselves is the best way to distract or to control them. | |||
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"Well it looks like everything is done now, could be worse, could be better, who knows? Experts say stuff, other experts say stuff. Worried much, not really, just going to stand back and see what transpires. This whole situation has made me indifferent, neither side deserves any plaudits, they have both behaved disgracefully. How did remain disgrace themselves? For not accepting the result in the first place, but just couldn’t let it go. Do you mean like the leave voters who couldn’t accept the 1975 referendum
I don’t know about then, all I know about is what occurred in the past four years, there was so much venom on both sides, in retrospect it was quite shameful.
I agree with this. It's no coincidence though. Getting the population to fight amongst themselves is the best way to distract or to control them."Yes, easier to rule people when they are constantly at each other throats rather then focusing on who really is to blame for their woes. | |||
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"Well it looks like everything is done now, could be worse, could be better, who knows? Experts say stuff, other experts say stuff. Worried much, not really, just going to stand back and see what transpires. This whole situation has made me indifferent, neither side deserves any plaudits, they have both behaved disgracefully. How did remain disgrace themselves? For not accepting the result in the first place, but just couldn’t let it go. Do you mean like the leave voters who couldn’t accept the 1975 referendum
I don’t know about then, all I know about is what occurred in the past four years, there was so much venom on both sides, in retrospect it was quite shameful.
I agree with this. It's no coincidence though. Getting the population to fight amongst themselves is the best way to distract or to control them.
Yes, easier to rule people when they are constantly at each other throats rather then focusing on who really is to blame for their woes."I completely agree. | |||
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I don’t know about then, all I know about is what occurred in the past four years, there was so much venom on both sides, in retrospect it was quite shameful."I agree, it has divided the country, but that is what the leave campaign and leaders wanted, without that division they wouldn’t have conned the voters | |||
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I don’t know about then, all I know about is what occurred in the past four years, there was so much venom on both sides, in retrospect it was quite shameful.
I agree with this. It's no coincidence though. Getting the population to fight amongst themselves is the best way to distract or to control them.
Yes, easier to rule people when they are constantly at each other throats rather then focusing on who really is to blame for their woes."Divide and rule is in the tory DNA Simpletons fall for it. | |||
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I don’t know about then, all I know about is what occurred in the past four years, there was so much venom on both sides, in retrospect it was quite shameful.
I agree with this. It's no coincidence though. Getting the population to fight amongst themselves is the best way to distract or to control them.
Yes, easier to rule people when they are constantly at each other throats rather then focusing on who really is to blame for their woes.
Divide and rule is in the tory DNA
Simpletons fall for it."But that can also be argued with the left also, rich v poor, haves vs have nots. With the left its the politics of envy, with the right its the politics of superiority. Both are just as bad each other. It all culminates into the politics of pandering. Where they sell themselves for votes and trade their ethics away. All of them have lost the plot. | |||
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"Well it looks like everything is done now, could be worse, could be better, who knows? Experts say stuff, other experts say stuff. Worried much, not really, just going to stand back and see what transpires. This whole situation has made me indifferent, neither side deserves any plaudits, they have both behaved disgracefully. How did remain disgrace themselves? For not accepting the result in the first place, but just couldn’t let it go. Probally something to do with the other side getting investigated for fraud and breaking the law. They did, and it didn’t make a blind bit of difference. Nothing and I mean absolutely nothing anyone did made a difference, after all that has happened, no one won. Now everyone has got what they deserved. The case for remain will never be raised again that is punishment for being obstructive. Leavers will get brexit that was not what they were promised as their punishment. All are punished, to quote shakespeare. I cant get on board with your everyone was to blame logic tbh. It was one side who span the evil eu nonsense for decades It was one side who set out to drive a wedge between us and countries who thought on our side in the 2nd world war. It was one side using inflammatory language like traitors and invoking ridiculous ww2 rhetoric. It was one side who pushed for a referendum and lied and bullshitted all the way through it. We are in this mess because of 1 side..and it certainly wasnt people who voted to remain Blimey you really are blinkered! At the time of the referendum the Conservative PM campaigned to remain. Tony Blair promised a referendum on the EU when he was PM but then denied the UK one. As posted before Tony Benn (Labour) did not like what the EU was. So not just one side. The real problem is that after over 4 years there are still people who can not accept the result. This has split the country and it will continue to split the country until they accept the 2016 result. I will try again, will you get the Brexit you voted for?? On the ballot was one question. Do you wish to remain or leave the EU. Who ever voted to leave got what they voted for because the UK left the EU on 31st January 2020." Ahhh. Good old semantics. Doesn't matter how badly the country suffers. As long as you can "win" an internet argument with semantics, that's the main thing. | |||
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"Well it looks like everything is done now, could be worse, could be better, who knows? Experts say stuff, other experts say stuff. Worried much, not really, just going to stand back and see what transpires. This whole situation has made me indifferent, neither side deserves any plaudits, they have both behaved disgracefully. How did remain disgrace themselves? For not accepting the result in the first place, but just couldn’t let it go. Probally something to do with the other side getting investigated for fraud and breaking the law. They did, and it didn’t make a blind bit of difference. Nothing and I mean absolutely nothing anyone did made a difference, after all that has happened, no one won. Now everyone has got what they deserved. The case for remain will never be raised again that is punishment for being obstructive. Leavers will get brexit that was not what they were promised as their punishment. All are punished, to quote shakespeare. I cant get on board with your everyone was to blame logic tbh. It was one side who span the evil eu nonsense for decades It was one side who set out to drive a wedge between us and countries who thought on our side in the 2nd world war. It was one side using inflammatory language like traitors and invoking ridiculous ww2 rhetoric. It was one side who pushed for a referendum and lied and bullshitted all the way through it. We are in this mess because of 1 side..and it certainly wasnt people who voted to remain Blimey you really are blinkered! At the time of the referendum the Conservative PM campaigned to remain. Tony Blair promised a referendum on the EU when he was PM but then denied the UK one. As posted before Tony Benn (Labour) did not like what the EU was. So not just one side. The real problem is that after over 4 years there are still people who can not accept the result. This has split the country and it will continue to split the country until they accept the 2016 result. " What did I type which was incorrect? I can accept the result.. but the fact remains than the forthcoming clusterfuck can solely be attributed to the people who pushed to leave. | |||
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I don’t know about then, all I know about is what occurred in the past four years, there was so much venom on both sides, in retrospect it was quite shameful.
I agree with this. It's no coincidence though. Getting the population to fight amongst themselves is the best way to distract or to control them.
Yes, easier to rule people when they are constantly at each other throats rather then focusing on who really is to blame for their woes.
Divide and rule is in the tory DNA
Simpletons fall for it.
But that can also be argued with the left also, rich v poor, haves vs have nots.
With the left its the politics of envy, with the right its the politics of superiority.
Both are just as bad each other. It all culminates into the politics of pandering. Where they sell themselves for votes and trade their ethics away.
All of them have lost the plot.
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"Bottom line is, no-one got what they voted for in the Referendum! You think no one wanted a no deal?" Do you? | |||
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"Hang on our we not forgetting that the majority voted leave and we are a democratic society You may agree or disagree with Boris and and his party but they got it done Yes their may be some difficult times ahead but stop whining and let’s get on with making our home country great again " Care to explain how we will do that on the most basic of arrangements? Because I'm fed up of people with go lucky, positive attitudes, who actually have a clue what they're on about doing, or changing. Honestly, worse than some of the radical leftists who just shout about how capitalism is bad. | |||
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"Hang on our we not forgetting that the majority voted leave and we are a democratic society You may agree or disagree with Boris and and his party but they got it done Yes their may be some difficult times ahead but stop whining and let’s get on with making our home country great again " I like the positivity. Imagine this positive attitude, without the catastrophic impact of brexit! | |||
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"Its been on the morning news you are not getting a deal over here its not looknig good at all. You mean it's being reported in the USA we're not getting a deal with the USA? I would doubt it the feeling is you only want trade on your terms so its unlikely to happen and being honest its you who needs a trade deal not us Oh absolutely. We need a deal with the EU. We need a deal with the USA. If we only get 1 or neither, it could be really bad for us. Does the reporting in the USA mention the border issue between Ireland and N Ireland? I got the impression that's what would really stop us getting a deal with the USA. It has been mentioned but its more to do with the terrorist element money raising here in the past we don't want repeated. One of the biggest negatives though for you is the reports we get about derogatory British remarks towards our food not being fit but you want to sell food to us. The agricultural and meat lobbyists are making a lot of noise about it and they have the ear of many in power. Yeah this is our big worry. They would have to change a lot of laws around food safety standards. Especially to do with animal husbandry and the use of growth hormones. All current illegal in the EU. No you just pump your cattle full of antibiotics you have selectively bred them. You do know the UK buys Pork from Holland which keeps pigs locked in pens and clips the beaks of chickens so they don't peck each other and spoil the meet. Its economics its attitudes from all parties but a deal looks unlikely in the near future. " You seem angry, why is that ? | |||
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"Hang on our we not forgetting that the majority voted leave and we are a democratic society You may agree or disagree with Boris and and his party but they got it done Yes their may be some difficult times ahead but stop whining and let’s get on with making our home country great again " Yes let's show some bulldog /dunkirk spirit..shout some incomprehensible slogans..bang our hands on the table and I'm sure everything will work out great. | |||
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"Hang on our we not forgetting that the majority voted leave and we are a democratic society You may agree or disagree with Boris and and his party but they got it done Yes their may be some difficult times ahead but stop whining and let’s get on with making our home country great again I like the positivity. Imagine this positive attitude, without the catastrophic impact of brexit! " Yes, it's a good job we can stay positive. After all, laughter is the best medicine so that might come in handy when the NHS is being rinsed by big US pharma companies and people are struggling to get treatments. Just laugh that malignant cancerous tumour away, like Rees-Mogg and his rich boy Tory mates are laughing all the way to the bank while they make untold wealth speculating on the demise of our fortunes and turning the UK into a corporate tax haven where workers with no rights get shovel fed food with acceptable fecal contamination levels... the neat realisation of the metaphorical shit eating we've been doing since the majority inexplicably voted a demonstrably inept liar, bully and cheat into number 10. Ah positivity! | |||
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"Well let’s wait and see if this so called negative impact will happen Do you own a crystal ball " True. The only people who have said it could turn out bad have been business leaders,economists,the bank of england,politicians..they have probally got it all wrong and boris is right. | |||
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"Well let’s wait and see if this so called negative impact will happen Do you own a crystal ball True. The only people who have said it could turn out bad have been business leaders,economists,the bank of england,politicians..they have probally got it all wrong and boris is right." No brexiter worth his salt wants the opinion of “Experts” .The opinions of Boris can be taken as Gospel... | |||
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"Well let’s wait and see if this so called negative impact will happen Do you own a crystal ball " So just sit around happily "hoping" there will be no negative effect ? We were promised a plethora of positive effects ... Can you name one that was true ? Just one ... | |||
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"Well let’s wait and see if this so called negative impact will happen Do you own a crystal ball So just sit around happily "hoping" there will be no negative effect ? We were promised a plethora of positive effects ... Can you name one that was true ? Just one ..." no don’t do that sit around moaning day in day out for the last 4yrs I’m sure it’s done yr mental health the world of good I’d be on meds now for sure | |||
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"Just because a Comet is hurtling towards the planet doesnt necessarily mean its all bad news. You dont know that for sure..so lets wait and see what happens. " Absolutely! If it wasn’t for the comet that wiped out the dinosaurs the mammals wouldn’t have filled the space they left behind and hominids would have never existed. So if brexit is catastrophic .A new Briton will rise from the ashes..Most likely those we refer to as gen Z will lead us into a brighter future . | |||
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"Well let’s wait and see if this so called negative impact will happen Do you own a crystal ball So just sit around happily "hoping" there will be no negative effect ? We were promised a plethora of positive effects ... Can you name one that was true ? Just one ...no don’t do that sit around moaning day in day out for the last 4yrs I’m sure it’s done yr mental health the world of good I’d be on meds now for sure " Is it worse for your mental health to see the reality of the situation, or is it worse to bury your head in the sand and hope it goes away? | |||
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"Well let’s wait and see if this so called negative impact will happen Do you own a crystal ball So just sit around happily "hoping" there will be no negative effect ? We were promised a plethora of positive effects ... Can you name one that was true ? Just one ...no don’t do that sit around moaning day in day out for the last 4yrs I’m sure it’s done yr mental health the world of good I’d be on meds now for sure Is it worse for your mental health to see the reality of the situation, or is it worse to bury your head in the sand and hope it goes away?" but I can’t see into the future mate I’ll just wait and see if that’s ok with you | |||
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"Well let’s wait and see if this so called negative impact will happen Do you own a crystal ball So just sit around happily "hoping" there will be no negative effect ? We were promised a plethora of positive effects ... Can you name one that was true ? Just one ...no don’t do that sit around moaning day in day out for the last 4yrs I’m sure it’s done yr mental health the world of good I’d be on meds now for sure Is it worse for your mental health to see the reality of the situation, or is it worse to bury your head in the sand and hope it goes away?but I can’t see into the future mate I’ll just wait and see if that’s ok with you " Yeah work away. What are you waiting for though? Brexit has happened. | |||
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"A load of crap it will be at least 5 years before we can judge the effects of Brexit " So if all or some of the reported problems start on the day we fully leave on Jan 1st 2021 do we wait your 5 years until Jan 1st 2026 before we acknowledge the effects and start deciding if anything has actually changed | |||
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"You guys really are on a load of bollox high today. Fact of the matter is, if all the MP's who voted for a referendum and honoured the result. Which is what they said they would do. The Uk would be well clear of the EU by now. Any negotiations would be over and done with because a united parliament would have been behind the UK negotiation team. I admit I may an error before as it was 544 MP in favour of the referendum not 555. 53 no's and 49 MP's sat on the fence. You’re right they did mostly agree to follow the vote and so they should. I’d be curious how may of them would agree now knowing we are potentially crashing out without a deal. Brexiteers claimed this was the easiest deal ever (Boris) and we hold all the cards (Gove) Also it didn’t matter if we left with 100% of Parliament behind Brexit and left two years ago. If we didn’t have a deal then, the resultant financial mess would still be the same. ( they just couldn’t blame Covid) We have no cards to play other than a bit of fishing which amounts to next to nothing in the scheme of things. Europe doesn’t “need “ to buy anything from us or sell anything to us ( exception maybe Eire at 7- 10% of their exports but their need is dropping dramatically due to Apple ) 43% of our exports go to the EU Next in percentage exports to us Belgium 8% Netherlands 7% every other country less than 5%... Germany 3% . Bet their quaking in their boots listening to Gove. The only real power we had was financial services which whilst it’s still mostly still here it’s very much weakened by funds moving to the EU to register. The EU won’t let them just put a plaque on the walls of Paris and Frankfurt to get banking rights they will want substantial business done there and jobs based there. They will want tax visibility of those funds which is one of the primary reasons the U.K. mega rich backed. Brexit. Leaving isn’t winning in itself unless you wanted a blue passport. Leaving to be better off is winning. Let’s all see how we get on next January because so far we seem to be walking away and losing more with every step. Freedom from some bogey man EU Parliament is nuts as we have our own corrupt parliament which is still there. In my opinion one corrupt rule for another but the EU openness was good for business. I won’t include racist bigots who were against immigration who think they’ve won because that just doesn’t count in any mature educated adult view. So if the EU don't want to buy anything from us or sell anything to us why are they negotiating. Or what are they negotiating as your saying there will be no trade which also means no lorry Que at the ports. " Did I say didn’t want ??? No I didn’t | |||
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"Well it looks like everything is done now, could be worse, could be better, who knows? Experts say stuff, other experts say stuff. Worried much, not really, just going to stand back and see what transpires. This whole situation has made me indifferent, neither side deserves any plaudits, they have both behaved disgracefully. How did remain disgrace themselves? For not accepting the result in the first place, but just couldn’t let it go. Probally something to do with the other side getting investigated for fraud and breaking the law. They did, and it didn’t make a blind bit of difference. Nothing and I mean absolutely nothing anyone did made a difference, after all that has happened, no one won. Now everyone has got what they deserved. The case for remain will never be raised again that is punishment for being obstructive. Leavers will get brexit that was not what they were promised as their punishment. All are punished, to quote shakespeare. I cant get on board with your everyone was to blame logic tbh. It was one side who span the evil eu nonsense for decades It was one side who set out to drive a wedge between us and countries who thought on our side in the 2nd world war. It was one side using inflammatory language like traitors and invoking ridiculous ww2 rhetoric. It was one side who pushed for a referendum and lied and bullshitted all the way through it. We are in this mess because of 1 side..and it certainly wasnt people who voted to remain Blimey you really are blinkered! At the time of the referendum the Conservative PM campaigned to remain. Tony Blair promised a referendum on the EU when he was PM but then denied the UK one. As posted before Tony Benn (Labour) did not like what the EU was. So not just one side. The real problem is that after over 4 years there are still people who can not accept the result. This has split the country and it will continue to split the country until they accept the 2016 result. " Interesting point you made there and I’m not arguing over your view as it is what it is. This has more to do with us being bullshiited in general. Cameron wanted to reform Parliament starting with not moving borders to help either party just cut the number of MP’s. He then I believe wanted to half t he number of Lords which again was a gravy train for MP’s I just wonder was there an element of back stabbing going along to stop him? So not only did he misjudge the country over Brexit ( I Agree he did ) but he also didn’t see the knives sharpening for him from his own party. | |||
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"Well let’s wait and see if this so called negative impact will happen Do you own a crystal ball " I have an export business and it’s already impacting. We’re moving jobs to Europe. I’m not alone in doing this . Business can’t wait to plan until the week before it’s just doesn’t work like that. People forget the Europeans don’t want the hassle of border controls . So whether we sort the process or not they don’t want it. So they don’t want to buy here. That is a factor not in the calculations but I’m seeing it every day and it’s real. I respect the vote even though it was based on lies. I hoped we could have free trade still. A no deal is Armageddon for business and even Sunak and Gove are beginning to worry now. Bluster from Boris won’t keep you in work. A deal will hopefully . | |||
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