FabSwingers.com forum: Jacinda Ardern

By *V-Alice OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

Well done, her. No mean feat, to secure 49% of the popular vote, in a PR parliamentary election.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well done, her. No mean feat, to secure 49% of the popular vote, in a PR parliamentary election."

Aye from over here she seems to be doing a good job...and it's even better as she's labour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well done, her. No mean feat, to secure 49% of the popular vote, in a PR parliamentary election.

Aye from over here she seems to be doing a good job...and it's even better as she's labour

You mean the loony left?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

She is tough like Thatcher was not scared to put troops on the street and ban people entering the country.

Yes people did protest but she controlled the virus.

What we need is tough leader like this Thatcherite lady

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

After Christchurch and Covid she was a shoe in. She’s very highly regarded and rightly so.

My friend from work who moved out there thinks she’s brilliant but also states there is more a can do spirit and acceptance of the rules.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wish she was our PM. Level headed and cool under pressure.

Need more Jacinda’s as leaders. The world would be better for it.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"She is tough like Thatcher was not scared to put troops on the street and ban people entering the country.

Yes people did protest but she controlled the virus.

What we need is tough leader like this Thatcherite lady"

She’s left wing but Thatcher like.

Praise indeed.

Shame our country of 70 million can’t find a proper leader.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"She is tough like Thatcher was not scared to put troops on the street and ban people entering the country.

Yes people did protest but she controlled the virus.

What we need is tough leader like this Thatcherite lady"

Another pearl of wisdom

Did thatcher put troops on The street?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As far as I know, she's done better than any other leader with the pandemic. And she seems like a decent human being, too. So good on her.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"As far as I know, she's done better than any other leader with the pandemic. And she seems like a decent human being, too. So good on her."

I know nothing about New Zealand politics.

So I'm curious, is NZ Labour similar to a Tony Blair Labour or a Jeremy Corybn Labour?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"She is tough like Thatcher was not scared to put troops on the street and ban people entering the country.

Yes people did protest but she controlled the virus.

What we need is tough leader like this Thatcherite lady

Another pearl of wisdom

Did thatcher put troops on The street?

Not that i can remember. Happened under Labour in 1977 and 2002 tbough

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"As far as I know, she's done better than any other leader with the pandemic. And she seems like a decent human being, too. So good on her.

I know nothing about New Zealand politics.

So I'm curious, is NZ Labour similar to a Tony Blair Labour or a Jeremy Corybn Labour?"

I read centre left so some would say neither.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"She is tough like Thatcher was not scared to put troops on the street and ban people entering the country.

Yes people did protest but she controlled the virus.

What we need is tough leader like this Thatcherite lady

Another pearl of wisdom

Did thatcher put troops on The street?

Not that i can remember. Happened under Labour in 1977 and 2002 tbough

Where?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Just reading that 2 of the most progressive countries on the world are 2 countries where Murdoch has no influence.

Nz and Canada.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"She is tough like Thatcher was not scared to put troops on the street and ban people entering the country.

Yes people did protest but she controlled the virus.

What we need is tough leader like this Thatcherite lady

Another pearl of wisdom

Did thatcher put troops on The street?

Not that i can remember. Happened under Labour in 1977 and 2002 tbough

Where?"

Fire Brigades strikes, the armed forces became the Fire Brigade.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"She is tough like Thatcher was not scared to put troops on the street and ban people entering the country.

Yes people did protest but she controlled the virus.

What we need is tough leader like this Thatcherite lady

Another pearl of wisdom

Did thatcher put troops on The street?

Not that i can remember. Happened under Labour in 1977 and 2002 tbough

Where?

Fire Brigades strikes, the armed forces became the Fire Brigade.

The green goddesses?

Fucking hell..i remember them.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"She is tough like Thatcher was not scared to put troops on the street and ban people entering the country.

Yes people did protest but she controlled the virus.

What we need is tough leader like this Thatcherite lady

Another pearl of wisdom

Did thatcher put troops on The street?

Not that i can remember. Happened under Labour in 1977 and 2002 tbough

Where?

Fire Brigades strikes, the armed forces became the Fire Brigade.

The green goddesses?

Fucking hell..i remember them."

I think troops assisted the police in more recent times, after terrorist incidents.

Apart from in Northern Ireland, I can't remember them being asked to perform law and order duties. Its not their role and I'm not sure that the public would really accept it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She is tough like Thatcher was not scared to put troops on the street and ban people entering the country.

Yes people did protest but she controlled the virus.

What we need is tough leader like this Thatcherite lady"

Her politics are more like Ed Milliband's. On his podcast they largely agreed on everything - I think at some point she was affiliated with Brown or Blair.

You might want to actually read before you see something, and presume her politics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just reading that 2 of the most progressive countries on the world are 2 countries where Murdoch has no influence.

Nz and Canada."

When you state progressive, what are the parameters?

Because I thought Iceland, Fibslnd and Norway, along with the other Scandinavian nations were leading in societal equality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She is tough like Thatcher was not scared to put troops on the street and ban people entering the country.

Yes people did protest but she controlled the virus.

What we need is tough leader like this Thatcherite lady"

Are you seriously comparing Jacinda Arden with Thatcher? Dear god

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"She is tough like Thatcher was not scared to put troops on the street and ban people entering the country.

Yes people did protest but she controlled the virus.

What we need is tough leader like this Thatcherite lady

Another pearl of wisdom

Did thatcher put troops on The street?

Not that i can remember. Happened under Labour in 1977 and 2002 tbough

Where?

Fire Brigades strikes, the armed forces became the Fire Brigade.

The green goddesses?

Fucking hell..i remember them.

I think troops assisted the police in more recent times, after terrorist incidents.

Apart from in Northern Ireland, I can't remember them being asked to perform law and order duties. Its not their role and I'm not sure that the public would really accept it. "

I think there was a point where it was considered that They would be deployed during the 81 riots.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Just reading that 2 of the most progressive countries on the world are 2 countries where Murdoch has no influence.

Nz and Canada.

When you state progressive, what are the parameters?

Because I thought Iceland, Fibslnd and Norway, along with the other Scandinavian nations were leading in societal equality."

I'm not disagreeing.

I was just reading something before about the few countries which are not controlled by a Murdoch led media,tend to have progressive leaders.

Where us,the states and Australia,where he has a big influence, are led by right wing crackpots

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Just reading that 2 of the most progressive countries on the world are 2 countries where Murdoch has no influence.

Nz and Canada."

Well nz has a far worse record of sexual abuse and the treatment of Maori's is also poor

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Has handed in her notice. Don't know much about nz, less about nz politics but she seems to have been a voice for reason and good at her job and above all... Honest.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Good luck to her for the future. Being PM and a mother to a young child couldn't have been easy.

I think that history will judge her kindly.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

She did, however, cause a lot of hardship by unnecessarily closing the borders for Covid and keeping them closed for an excessive period of time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She did, however, cause a lot of hardship by unnecessarily closing the borders for Covid and keeping them closed for an excessive period of time."

And stopped thousands from dying,

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

"She did, however, cause a lot of hardship by unnecessarily closing the borders for Covid and keeping them closed for an excessive period of time.

And stopped thousands from dying,

At excessive cost.

Same as the UK, in hindsight the lockdowns here were completely unnecessary.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She did, however, cause a lot of hardship by unnecessarily closing the borders for Covid and keeping them closed for an excessive period of time.

And stopped thousands from dying,

At excessive cost.

Same as the UK, in hindsight the lockdowns here were completely unnecessary."

It saved thousands of lives here as well

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

"She did, however, cause a lot of hardship by unnecessarily closing the borders for Covid and keeping them closed for an excessive period of time.

And stopped thousands from dying,

At excessive cost.

Same as the UK, in hindsight the lockdowns here were completely unnecessary.

It saved thousands of lives here as well

Probably hundreds of thousands but at excessive cost. So not necessary.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She did, however, cause a lot of hardship by unnecessarily closing the borders for Covid and keeping them closed for an excessive period of time.

And stopped thousands from dying,

At excessive cost.

Same as the UK, in hindsight the lockdowns here were completely unnecessary.

It saved thousands of lives here as well

Probably hundreds of thousands but at excessive cost. So not necessary."

It was, you can’t put a price on a persons life

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
over a year ago

Gilfach

"you can’t put a price on a persons life"

Yes you can. The figure most commonly used in the UK is £250,000.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

"She did, however, cause a lot of hardship by unnecessarily closing the borders for Covid and keeping them closed for an excessive period of time.

And stopped thousands from dying,

At excessive cost.

Same as the UK, in hindsight the lockdowns here were completely unnecessary.

It saved thousands of lives here as well

Probably hundreds of thousands but at excessive cost. So not necessary."

Maybe we could save money by letting vulnerable people die faster, maybe even give them a helping hand on the way out?

Should be cheap to do. Save us all a few quid.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

Of course you can. It happens all the time when NICE assess whether to make treatment available on the NHS.

Excessive covid response here and other countries such as NZ have left a legacy of debt and other health problems which will be with us for decades to come.

Not locking down would have been bad in the short term but over a period of (say) 10 years I don't think it will make any difference to the death rate. The 5 year average is a bit short due to the length of the pandemic.

Most who would have died would have died anyway in the next 10 years.

Of course, we'll never know for sure as we did lock down. The only country we could get data from is China after they suddenly opened up but they won't release accurate figures.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

"Of course you can. It happens all the time when NICE assess whether to make treatment available on the NHS.

Excessive covid response here and other countries such as NZ have left a legacy of debt and other health problems which will be with us for decades to come.

Most who would have died would have died anyway in the next 10 years.

Of course, we'll never know for sure as we did lock down. The only country we could get data from is China after they suddenly opened up but they won't release accurate figures."

Was replying to the price of life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Of course you can. It happens all the time when NICE assess whether to make treatment available on the NHS.

Excessive covid response here and other countries such as NZ have left a legacy of debt and other health problems which will be with us for decades to come.

Most who would have died would have died anyway in the next 10 years.

Of course, we'll never know for sure as we did lock down. The only country we could get data from is China after they suddenly opened up but they won't release accurate figures."

Which people should we have left to die? And who would make the decision.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"She did, however, cause a lot of hardship by unnecessarily closing the borders for Covid and keeping them closed for an excessive period of time.

And stopped thousands from dying,

At excessive cost.

Same as the UK, in hindsight the lockdowns here were completely unnecessary.

It saved thousands of lives here as well

Probably hundreds of thousands but at excessive cost. So not necessary.

It was, you can’t put a price on a persons life

Perhaps but the point is that many many people (and I know some of them), especially and disproportionately younger adults and teens suffered ridiculous emotional hardship and collapse because of them and it changed their lives permanently. People's education catastrophically disrupted which will impact their futures for ever.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"She did, however, cause a lot of hardship by unnecessarily closing the borders for Covid and keeping them closed for an excessive period of time.

And stopped thousands from dying,

At excessive cost.

Same as the UK, in hindsight the lockdowns here were completely unnecessary.

It saved thousands of lives here as well

Probably hundreds of thousands but at excessive cost. So not necessary.

Maybe we could save money by letting vulnerable people die faster, maybe even give them a helping hand on the way out?

Should be cheap to do. Save us all a few quid. "

That wasn't the choice though was it.? Vulnerable people needed to isolate. And that's their choice to do. However those who didn't need to, paid the price for it. And many continue to pay the price. Unfairly so in my opinion.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Of course you can. It happens all the time when NICE assess whether to make treatment available on the NHS.

Excessive covid response here and other countries such as NZ have left a legacy of debt and other health problems which will be with us for decades to come.

Most who would have died would have died anyway in the next 10 years.

Of course, we'll never know for sure as we did lock down. The only country we could get data from is China after they suddenly opened up but they won't release accurate figures.

Which people should we have left to die? And who would make the decision. "

That's such an overly simple and clumsy argument. Nobody needs or needed to be left to die. If people wanted to isolate. And presumably someone who is vulnerable can make their own choice or have a carer who can make it for them. Could have chosen to isolate. Those who have stronger immune systems capable of dealing with the disease could choose to isolate or not isolate. Why should a 20 year old who has less chance of becoming ill from covid than from then vaccine have their life ruined?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She did, however, cause a lot of hardship by unnecessarily closing the borders for Covid and keeping them closed for an excessive period of time.

And stopped thousands from dying,

At excessive cost.

Same as the UK, in hindsight the lockdowns here were completely unnecessary.

It saved thousands of lives here as well

Probably hundreds of thousands but at excessive cost. So not necessary.

It was, you can’t put a price on a persons life

True, I don’t think the lockdowns were in anyway a perfect solution but under the circumstances they were the best option

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

"Of course you can. It happens all the time when NICE assess whether to make treatment available on the NHS.

Excessive covid response here and other countries such as NZ have left a legacy of debt and other health problems which will be with us for decades to come.

Most who would have died would have died anyway in the next 10 years.

Of course, we'll never know for sure as we did lock down. The only country we could get data from is China after they suddenly opened up but they won't release accurate figures.

Which people should we have left to die? And who would make the decision.

Exactly. No decision necessary. Everyone needed to manage their own risk. Those who became ill should have been treated as well as possible (some clinical decisions would have been made as happens every day).

It would have been bad for a short while and could have killed any of us, or people we know.

However, the legacy of lockdown will be with us for the rest of our lives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Of course you can. It happens all the time when NICE assess whether to make treatment available on the NHS.

Excessive covid response here and other countries such as NZ have left a legacy of debt and other health problems which will be with us for decades to come.

Most who would have died would have died anyway in the next 10 years.

Of course, we'll never know for sure as we did lock down. The only country we could get data from is China after they suddenly opened up but they won't release accurate figures.

Which people should we have left to die? And who would make the decision.

It would have been bad for a short while and could have killed any of us, or people we know.

However, the legacy of lockdown will be with us for the rest of our lives."

The legacy of losing a person because of covid will be with us for the rest of our lives and I agree Lockdowns we’re not perfect

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Of course you can. It happens all the time when NICE assess whether to make treatment available on the NHS.

Excessive covid response here and other countries such as NZ have left a legacy of debt and other health problems which will be with us for decades to come.

Most who would have died would have died anyway in the next 10 years.

Of course, we'll never know for sure as we did lock down. The only country we could get data from is China after they suddenly opened up but they won't release accurate figures.

Which people should we have left to die? And who would make the decision.

It would have been bad for a short while and could have killed any of us, or people we know.

However, the legacy of lockdown will be with us for the rest of our lives.

The legacy of losing a person because of covid will be with us for the rest of our lives and I agree Lockdowns we’re not perfect "

I agree. I also think we use the term lockdown somewhat inaccurately and our memory's are somewhat flawed. It want a 2 year lock down... It was a few months. The lockdown, with the exception of the students being policed... Was not actually a lock down. We still shopped. We still went out. We still travelled. We still had visitors. Airports remained open and so on.

However what we made a dreadful horlicks of was how we responded... The stupid hospitality rules... The stupid schooling and university... Working from home.. Removing or trashing people's social infrastructure... We just have hustlers an opportunity to not work, or work from ho. E or withdraw labour completely unnecessarily.

I was only having this conversation with someone recently, where had I knownbyhe care home would be so fucking awful with my mum, in preventing her from catching it, caring for her when she caught it, Caring for her once it was clear she was dying.. I'd have removed her from the care home. None of that was necessary and none of it helped anyone.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Imposing a lock down on a country of 5 million people, was always going to be easier than on a country of 67 million.

Population density of NZ is 18 per km2, against 281 for the UK.

She made the call, and did what she thought best for her country and her population.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well done, her. No mean feat, to secure 49% of the popular vote, in a PR parliamentary election."

Less than Boris then.

Glad the communist stooge is out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely insane authoritarian puppet leader. Can't decide which one I dislike more, Jacinta hardon or dustbin Trudeau. Tough call

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have friends who emigrated to New Zealand a couple of years ago. Inflation is ridiculous there and they can't buy a house at the moment as they need to have 40% deposit.

Christchurch still has lots of shipping container buildings from the hurricane damage years ago.

It makes you wonder where all the tax money has been going as its not been going on housing, services, or infrastructure that's for sure!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well done, her. No mean feat, to secure 49% of the popular vote, in a PR parliamentary election.

Less than Boris then.

Glad the communist stooge is out."
what was Boris's popular vote? He barely got that number in his own constituency (I assume but haven't checked the NZ is an overall number).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well done, her. No mean feat, to secure 49% of the popular vote, in a PR parliamentary election.

Less than Boris then.

Glad the communist stooge is out.what was Boris's popular vote? He barely got that number in his own constituency (I assume but haven't checked the NZ is an overall number). "

Our mistake, Boris got about 43.6%.

Our follow up point still stands though, folk in New Zealand do not like how she handled things during Covid. The rich and poor divide has grown, child poverty has grown, and people still struggle obtaining homes.

Regardless, far too many unthinking lemmings will parrot establishment media lines like the good little brainwashed drones they are.

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