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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is?" "Ho ho ho!" I'm guessing. | |||
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"I’m in two minds about this. Why should Schools have to do it? And why are kids going hungry that they have to rely on School meals. Surely tackling the route cause would be better. It’s staggering a child should go hungry in this day and age. I have experience sadly of real hunger. " Twisted, it sucks you experienced that. Nobody should have to. | |||
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"I’m in two minds about this. Why should Schools have to do it? And why are kids going hungry that they have to rely on School meals. Surely tackling the route cause would be better. It’s staggering a child should go hungry in this day and age. I have experience sadly of real hunger. " The route cause is poverty and inequality. It would take something substantial to challenge that. | |||
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"Just waiting for the standard defence " Ah but which defence will it be this time? We'll have to wait and see. | |||
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"Why should kids be fed?" I doubt even the most right wing, Trumpiest person would say that. But this is the internet. So who knows? | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is?" Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . " Your 1st bit sounds like what a member of the public would say, spurred on by tabloid smears. The 2nd bit's right out of the government response plybook. Impressive predictions. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . " What difference does it make how much he pays in? A case by case investigation sounds feasible .prob only take about 30 odd years. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . What difference does it make how much he pays in? A case by case investigation sounds feasible .prob only take about 30 odd years. " You continually post about an unfair society and the rich not paying enough tax. Your OP is about a man who is paid 3 times more in a week than the yearly Prime Minister annual salary. He gets about £13 million a year. I think it's a fair question to ask how much he is willing to put in his self rather than expecting average Joe to pick up the bill. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . What difference does it make how much he pays in? A case by case investigation sounds feasible .prob only take about 30 odd years. You continually post about an unfair society and the rich not paying enough tax. Your OP is about a man who is paid 3 times more in a week than the yearly Prime Minister annual salary. He gets about £13 million a year. I think it's a fair question to ask how much he is willing to put in his self rather than expecting average Joe to pick up the bill." That b*stard footballer, campaigning to get kids fed. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . What difference does it make how much he pays in? A case by case investigation sounds feasible .prob only take about 30 odd years. You continually post about an unfair society and the rich not paying enough tax. Your OP is about a man who is paid 3 times more in a week than the yearly Prime Minister annual salary. He gets about £13 million a year. I think it's a fair question to ask how much he is willing to put in his self rather than expecting average Joe to pick up the bill. That b*stard footballer, campaigning to get kids fed." However has he explained to anyone why the parents are having difficulty feeding their children. ? What are they spending their existing income on and why is there no support from their immediate family ? . If your car is buring oil you do not just carry on pouring oil in , you investigate and identify the root causes of the problem. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . What difference does it make how much he pays in? A case by case investigation sounds feasible .prob only take about 30 odd years. You continually post about an unfair society and the rich not paying enough tax. Your OP is about a man who is paid 3 times more in a week than the yearly Prime Minister annual salary. He gets about £13 million a year. I think it's a fair question to ask how much he is willing to put in his self rather than expecting average Joe to pick up the bill. That b*stard footballer, campaigning to get kids fed. However has he explained to anyone why the parents are having difficulty feeding their children. ? What are they spending their existing income on and why is there no support from their immediate family ? . If your car is buring oil you do not just carry on pouring oil in , you investigate and identify the root causes of the problem. " Does he know what every impoverished parent does? Of coruse not. More importantly, are you in favour of starving kids? It rather sounds like you are. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . What difference does it make how much he pays in? A case by case investigation sounds feasible .prob only take about 30 odd years. You continually post about an unfair society and the rich not paying enough tax. Your OP is about a man who is paid 3 times more in a week than the yearly Prime Minister annual salary. He gets about £13 million a year. I think it's a fair question to ask how much he is willing to put in his self rather than expecting average Joe to pick up the bill. That b*stard footballer, campaigning to get kids fed." I think you missed out the word rich. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . " and while that’s getting done what about the hungry kids ? Or do we need videos of hungry kids with Bob geldof on a voice over really your moaning about feeding kids ffs | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . What difference does it make how much he pays in? A case by case investigation sounds feasible .prob only take about 30 odd years. You continually post about an unfair society and the rich not paying enough tax. Your OP is about a man who is paid 3 times more in a week than the yearly Prime Minister annual salary. He gets about £13 million a year. I think it's a fair question to ask how much he is willing to put in his self rather than expecting average Joe to pick up the bill. That b*stard footballer, campaigning to get kids fed. However has he explained to anyone why the parents are having difficulty feeding their children. ? What are they spending their existing income on and why is there no support from their immediate family ? . If your car is buring oil you do not just carry on pouring oil in , you investigate and identify the root causes of the problem. " Perhaps they are spending their income on rent, council tax and power, rather than the massive television, fags and booze that you seem to be implying they are spending it on. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . What difference does it make how much he pays in? A case by case investigation sounds feasible .prob only take about 30 odd years. You continually post about an unfair society and the rich not paying enough tax. Your OP is about a man who is paid 3 times more in a week than the yearly Prime Minister annual salary. He gets about £13 million a year. I think it's a fair question to ask how much he is willing to put in his self rather than expecting average Joe to pick up the bill. That b*stard footballer, campaigning to get kids fed. However has he explained to anyone why the parents are having difficulty feeding their children. ? What are they spending their existing income on and why is there no support from their immediate family ? . If your car is buring oil you do not just carry on pouring oil in , you investigate and identify the root causes of the problem. Does he know what every impoverished parent does? Of coruse not. More importantly, are you in favour of starving kids? It rather sounds like you are." Suggesting that parents spend their money in a responsible manner hardly equates to being in favour of starving kids . It is probably doing the kids a favour as the responsible soending of incone would hopefully be passed down from generation to generation. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . What difference does it make how much he pays in? A case by case investigation sounds feasible .prob only take about 30 odd years. You continually post about an unfair society and the rich not paying enough tax. Your OP is about a man who is paid 3 times more in a week than the yearly Prime Minister annual salary. He gets about £13 million a year. I think it's a fair question to ask how much he is willing to put in his self rather than expecting average Joe to pick up the bill. That b*stard footballer, campaigning to get kids fed. However has he explained to anyone why the parents are having difficulty feeding their children. ? What are they spending their existing income on and why is there no support from their immediate family ? . If your car is buring oil you do not just carry on pouring oil in , you investigate and identify the root causes of the problem. Does he know what every impoverished parent does? Of coruse not. More importantly, are you in favour of starving kids? It rather sounds like you are. Suggesting that parents spend their money in a responsible manner hardly equates to being in favour of starving kids . It is probably doing the kids a favour as the responsible soending of incone would hopefully be passed down from generation to generation. " but yr assuming parents arnt spending in a responsible manner why is this ? | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . What difference does it make how much he pays in? A case by case investigation sounds feasible .prob only take about 30 odd years. You continually post about an unfair society and the rich not paying enough tax. Your OP is about a man who is paid 3 times more in a week than the yearly Prime Minister annual salary. He gets about £13 million a year. I think it's a fair question to ask how much he is willing to put in his self rather than expecting average Joe to pick up the bill." So footballers should feed the poor? | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . What difference does it make how much he pays in? A case by case investigation sounds feasible .prob only take about 30 odd years. You continually post about an unfair society and the rich not paying enough tax. Your OP is about a man who is paid 3 times more in a week than the yearly Prime Minister annual salary. He gets about £13 million a year. I think it's a fair question to ask how much he is willing to put in his self rather than expecting average Joe to pick up the bill. That b*stard footballer, campaigning to get kids fed. However has he explained to anyone why the parents are having difficulty feeding their children. ? What are they spending their existing income on and why is there no support from their immediate family ? . If your car is buring oil you do not just carry on pouring oil in , you investigate and identify the root causes of the problem. Does he know what every impoverished parent does? Of coruse not. More importantly, are you in favour of starving kids? It rather sounds like you are. Suggesting that parents spend their money in a responsible manner hardly equates to being in favour of starving kids . It is probably doing the kids a favour as the responsible soending of incone would hopefully be passed down from generation to generation. " Can you provide some evidence of this irresponsibility please? | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . " Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.." In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. " So we should be putting pressure on 1 young man who is a footballer to deal with the issue of child poverty? | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. " The definition of is set, it's not what you or I might think.. And currently there are 3 million children living in poverty.. It's a cop out to talk about how it happens for each case, it needs addressing not discussion when children are hungry.. My sister in law works in child protection, where there are vulnerable kids the actions required are to do something be that via the courts if necessary not to have discussions about how the issue came to be.. So the government has no responsibility? | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. The definition of is set, it's not what you or I might think.. And currently there are 3 million children living in poverty.. It's a cop out to talk about how it happens for each case, it needs addressing not discussion when children are hungry.. My sister in law works in child protection, where there are vulnerable kids the actions required are to do something be that via the courts if necessary not to have discussions about how the issue came to be.. So the government has no responsibility?" Firstly the parents have responsibility then if they fail in their duty of care local social services would be involved. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. So we should be putting pressure on 1 young man who is a footballer to deal with the issue of child poverty?" Very strange, normally anyone earning over £200k a week you would be shouting about inequality. But here you called him young man.!  | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. The definition of is set, it's not what you or I might think.. And currently there are 3 million children living in poverty.. It's a cop out to talk about how it happens for each case, it needs addressing not discussion when children are hungry.. My sister in law works in child protection, where there are vulnerable kids the actions required are to do something be that via the courts if necessary not to have discussions about how the issue came to be.. So the government has no responsibility? Firstly the parents have responsibility then if they fail in their duty of care local social services would be involved. " I know that cheers, the point I am making is there are times to look at what caused the issue and times to act.. I think although I could be wrong that there have been umpteen commissions in the last two decades into poverty and we still have what should be an embarrassing amount of it.. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. So we should be putting pressure on 1 young man who is a footballer to deal with the issue of child poverty? Very strange, normally anyone earning over £200k a week you would be shouting about inequality. But here you called him young man.! "Footballers earn an obscene amount of money. But If you could tell me why it's theur responsibility to feed the poor,that would be grand. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. The definition of is set, it's not what you or I might think.. And currently there are 3 million children living in poverty.. It's a cop out to talk about how it happens for each case, it needs addressing not discussion when children are hungry.. My sister in law works in child protection, where there are vulnerable kids the actions required are to do something be that via the courts if necessary not to have discussions about how the issue came to be.. So the government has no responsibility? Firstly the parents have responsibility then if they fail in their duty of care local social services would be involved. " The local services that the government has been cutting funding to for a decade? | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. So we should be putting pressure on 1 young man who is a footballer to deal with the issue of child poverty? Very strange, normally anyone earning over £200k a week you would be shouting about inequality. But here you called him young man.!
Footballers earn an obscene amount of money.
But If you could tell me why it's theur responsibility to feed the poor,that would be grand."Well this is new, how about if they paid more tax then there would be extra money to spend.! | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. So we should be putting pressure on 1 young man who is a footballer to deal with the issue of child poverty? Very strange, normally anyone earning over £200k a week you would be shouting about inequality. But here you called him young man.!
Footballers earn an obscene amount of money.
But If you could tell me why it's theur responsibility to feed the poor,that would be grand.
Well this is new, how about if they paid more tax then there would be extra money to spend.!"Fathers of ex Tory prime minister's? Multi national corporations? The top 1%? | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. So we should be putting pressure on 1 young man who is a footballer to deal with the issue of child poverty? Very strange, normally anyone earning over £200k a week you would be shouting about inequality. But here you called him young man.!
Footballers earn an obscene amount of money.
But If you could tell me why it's theur responsibility to feed the poor,that would be grand.
Well this is new, how about if they paid more tax then there would be extra money to spend.!"Sorry.. I think I missed the bit where you answered my question? | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. The definition of is set, it's not what you or I might think.. And currently there are 3 million children living in poverty.. It's a cop out to talk about how it happens for each case, it needs addressing not discussion when children are hungry.. My sister in law works in child protection, where there are vulnerable kids the actions required are to do something be that via the courts if necessary not to have discussions about how the issue came to be.. So the government has no responsibility? Firstly the parents have responsibility then if they fail in their duty of care local social services would be involved. The local services that the government has been cutting funding to for a decade?" Standard tory trope.Blame the victim Cut jobs. Cut services Cut benefits. Blame the family for being poor. Brain washing.. all the better that it can be done with a thimble | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. The definition of is set, it's not what you or I might think.. And currently there are 3 million children living in poverty.. It's a cop out to talk about how it happens for each case, it needs addressing not discussion when children are hungry.. My sister in law works in child protection, where there are vulnerable kids the actions required are to do something be that via the courts if necessary not to have discussions about how the issue came to be.. So the government has no responsibility? Firstly the parents have responsibility then if they fail in their duty of care local social services would be involved. The local services that the government has been cutting funding to for a decade? Standard tory trope.Blame the victim Cut jobs. Cut services Cut benefits. Blame the family for being poor. Brain washing.. all the better that it can be done with a thimble " The victim is the child, i can not see one person on here that has said it's the child fault, its not. Please don't make things up. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. The definition of is set, it's not what you or I might think.. And currently there are 3 million children living in poverty.. It's a cop out to talk about how it happens for each case, it needs addressing not discussion when children are hungry.. My sister in law works in child protection, where there are vulnerable kids the actions required are to do something be that via the courts if necessary not to have discussions about how the issue came to be.. So the government has no responsibility? Firstly the parents have responsibility then if they fail in their duty of care local social services would be involved. The local services that the government has been cutting funding to for a decade? Standard tory trope.Blame the victim Cut jobs. Cut services Cut benefits. Blame the family for being poor. Brain washing.. all the better that it can be done with a thimble The victim is the child, i can not see one person on here that has said it's the child fault, its not. Please don't make things up." People are saying it's the families fault. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. The definition of is set, it's not what you or I might think.. And currently there are 3 million children living in poverty.. It's a cop out to talk about how it happens for each case, it needs addressing not discussion when children are hungry.. My sister in law works in child protection, where there are vulnerable kids the actions required are to do something be that via the courts if necessary not to have discussions about how the issue came to be.. So the government has no responsibility? Firstly the parents have responsibility then if they fail in their duty of care local social services would be involved. The local services that the government has been cutting funding to for a decade? Standard tory trope.Blame the victim Cut jobs. Cut services Cut benefits. Blame the family for being poor. Brain washing.. all the better that it can be done with a thimble The victim is the child, i can not see one person on here that has said it's the child fault, its not. Please don't make things up. People are saying it's the families fault." That's not the victim. The child is the victim and nobody has blamed the child. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. So we should be putting pressure on 1 young man who is a footballer to deal with the issue of child poverty? Very strange, normally anyone earning over £200k a week you would be shouting about inequality. But here you called him young man.!
Footballers earn an obscene amount of money.
But If you could tell me why it's theur responsibility to feed the poor,that would be grand."The footballer in question choose to raise the issue and appears to be implying that we the taxpayer should be giving further free meals to the parents concerned. Maybe if he wanted a little creditability he could have gift aided £12 millions of his earnings to a charity for the poor . As least then no one could accuse him of mot practising what he preaches. Instead he choose to attempt to be generous with other peoples money. The gentleman concerned is in an exceptionally privileged position in life - with that comes responsibility. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. So we should be putting pressure on 1 young man who is a footballer to deal with the issue of child poverty? Very strange, normally anyone earning over £200k a week you would be shouting about inequality. But here you called him young man.!
Footballers earn an obscene amount of money.
But If you could tell me why it's theur responsibility to feed the poor,that would be grand. The footballer in question choose to raise the issue and appears to be implying that we the taxpayer should be giving further free meals to the parents concerned. Maybe if he wanted a little creditability he could have gift aided £12 millions of his earnings to a charity for the poor . As least then no one could accuse him of mot practising what he preaches. Instead he choose to attempt to be generous with other peoples money. The gentleman concerned is in an exceptionally privileged position in life - with that comes responsibility. "Imagine thinking a footballer should do more to end child poverty rather than the government. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. So we should be putting pressure on 1 young man who is a footballer to deal with the issue of child poverty? Very strange, normally anyone earning over £200k a week you would be shouting about inequality. But here you called him young man.!
Footballers earn an obscene amount of money.
But If you could tell me why it's theur responsibility to feed the poor,that would be grand. The footballer in question choose to raise the issue and appears to be implying that we the taxpayer should be giving further free meals to the parents concerned. Maybe if he wanted a little creditability he could have gift aided £12 millions of his earnings to a charity for the poor . As least then no one could accuse him of mot practising what he preaches. Instead he choose to attempt to be generous with other peoples money. The gentleman concerned is in an exceptionally privileged position in life - with that comes responsibility. "You must know him very well to know that he doesn’t give a lot of his money to charities org to help the cause he’s defending. I can’t be 100% sure that he does but he seems to genuinely care about this and I’m always certain he does more than encouraging taxpayers’ money to be used. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. The definition of is set, it's not what you or I might think.. And currently there are 3 million children living in poverty.. It's a cop out to talk about how it happens for each case, it needs addressing not discussion when children are hungry.. My sister in law works in child protection, where there are vulnerable kids the actions required are to do something be that via the courts if necessary not to have discussions about how the issue came to be.. So the government has no responsibility? Firstly the parents have responsibility then if they fail in their duty of care local social services would be involved. The local services that the government has been cutting funding to for a decade? Standard tory trope.Blame the victim Cut jobs. Cut services Cut benefits. Blame the family for being poor. Brain washing.. all the better that it can be done with a thimble The victim is the child, i can not see one person on here that has said it's the child fault, its not. Please don't make things up. People are saying it's the families fault. That's not the victim. The child is the victim and nobody has blamed the child." So a family struggling to survive on peanuts is not the victim? | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. So we should be putting pressure on 1 young man who is a footballer to deal with the issue of child poverty? Very strange, normally anyone earning over £200k a week you would be shouting about inequality. But here you called him young man.!
Footballers earn an obscene amount of money.
But If you could tell me why it's theur responsibility to feed the poor,that would be grand. The footballer in question choose to raise the issue and appears to be implying that we the taxpayer should be giving further free meals to the parents concerned. Maybe if he wanted a little creditability he could have gift aided £12 millions of his earnings to a charity for the poor . As least then no one could accuse him of mot practising what he preaches. Instead he choose to attempt to be generous with other peoples money. The gentleman concerned is in an exceptionally privileged position in life - with that comes responsibility. "You always think to yourself 'surely there cant be people out there who think like that? Then you meet one. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. The definition of is set, it's not what you or I might think.. And currently there are 3 million children living in poverty.. It's a cop out to talk about how it happens for each case, it needs addressing not discussion when children are hungry.. My sister in law works in child protection, where there are vulnerable kids the actions required are to do something be that via the courts if necessary not to have discussions about how the issue came to be.. So the government has no responsibility? Firstly the parents have responsibility then if they fail in their duty of care local social services would be involved. The local services that the government has been cutting funding to for a decade? Standard tory trope.Blame the victim Cut jobs. Cut services Cut benefits. Blame the family for being poor. Brain washing.. all the better that it can be done with a thimble The victim is the child, i can not see one person on here that has said it's the child fault, its not. Please don't make things up. People are saying it's the families fault. That's not the victim. The child is the victim and nobody has blamed the child. So a family struggling to survive on peanuts is not the victim?" Your OP is about school meals. It's about children. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. The definition of is set, it's not what you or I might think.. And currently there are 3 million children living in poverty.. It's a cop out to talk about how it happens for each case, it needs addressing not discussion when children are hungry.. My sister in law works in child protection, where there are vulnerable kids the actions required are to do something be that via the courts if necessary not to have discussions about how the issue came to be.. So the government has no responsibility? Firstly the parents have responsibility then if they fail in their duty of care local social services would be involved. The local services that the government has been cutting funding to for a decade? Standard tory trope.Blame the victim Cut jobs. Cut services Cut benefits. Blame the family for being poor. Brain washing.. all the better that it can be done with a thimble The victim is the child, i can not see one person on here that has said it's the child fault, its not. Please don't make things up. People are saying it's the families fault. That's not the victim. The child is the victim and nobody has blamed the child. So a family struggling to survive on peanuts is not the victim? Your OP is about school meals. It's about children." Who's responsibility is the children? | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. The definition of is set, it's not what you or I might think.. And currently there are 3 million children living in poverty.. It's a cop out to talk about how it happens for each case, it needs addressing not discussion when children are hungry.. My sister in law works in child protection, where there are vulnerable kids the actions required are to do something be that via the courts if necessary not to have discussions about how the issue came to be.. So the government has no responsibility? Firstly the parents have responsibility then if they fail in their duty of care local social services would be involved. The local services that the government has been cutting funding to for a decade? Standard tory trope.Blame the victim Cut jobs. Cut services Cut benefits. Blame the family for being poor. Brain washing.. all the better that it can be done with a thimble The victim is the child, i can not see one person on here that has said it's the child fault, its not. Please don't make things up. People are saying it's the families fault. That's not the victim. The child is the victim and nobody has blamed the child. So a family struggling to survive on peanuts is not the victim? Your OP is about school meals. It's about children. Who's responsibility is the children?" Already answered that question, read from the top. | |||
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"Plenty of parents out there on just getting by on minimum wage that have had setback after setback this year. Yes they should be offered meals for the kids physical wellbeing and for the parents mental wellbeing. If we as a country can pay consults £7,500 per day to work on a app that not working and talk about blowing 100 billion pounds on a mad moon shot idea...the very least we can do is make sure disadvantaged kids get some decent food in their stomachs..."  | |||
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"Plenty of parents out there on just getting by on minimum wage that have had setback after setback this year. Yes they should be offered meals for the kids physical wellbeing and for the parents mental wellbeing. If we as a country can pay consults £7,500 per day to work on a app that not working and talk about blowing 100 billion pounds on a mad moon shot idea...the very least we can do is make sure disadvantaged kids get some decent food in their stomachs..." However in this case you are making two entirely different comparisons . In the first case it is the responsibility of parents to manage their money in such a way that they have sufficient to feed their children. What is preventing them cooking meals themselves. ? In the second case the money is paid to an LLP and is only to provide services on a short term basis in the case of a national emergency. Like any appliance there will be teething problems. | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.. In order to understand this in more detail we would need to know what the definition of poverty actually is. Different people will have different ideas of what poverty actually is. No one is saying the poverty should not be a cause for concern , the issue is how has it arisen and what steps can be taken to prevent it. If as is stated the footballer concerned earns £13 million a year , we should be putting pressure on him to donate some of his own earnings . ( it was him who decided to raise the issue in the first instance). There are already a number of charities dedicated to resolving issues such as hunger and property. Some people would prefer to have a pop at the government rather than try and tackle the over riding issues. So we should be putting pressure on 1 young man who is a footballer to deal with the issue of child poverty? Very strange, normally anyone earning over £200k a week you would be shouting about inequality. But here you called him young man.!
Footballers earn an obscene amount of money.
But If you could tell me why it's theur responsibility to feed the poor,that would be grand. The footballer in question choose to raise the issue and appears to be implying that we the taxpayer should be giving further free meals to the parents concerned. Maybe if he wanted a little creditability he could have gift aided £12 millions of his earnings to a charity for the poor . As least then no one could accuse him of mot practising what he preaches. Instead he choose to attempt to be generous with other peoples money. The gentleman concerned is in an exceptionally privileged position in life - with that comes responsibility. "ffs Rashford is a young lad he’s doing his best to help feed young kids and yr slaying the lad how many other celebs have helped asmuch as this lad hats off to him he’s done wonders he’s doing this because he was from a poor council estate and went through this hisself with his family he knows what hunger feels like so ffs give the lad some credit | |||
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"I’m in two minds about this. Why should Schools have to do it? And why are kids going hungry that they have to rely on School meals. Surely tackling the route cause would be better. It’s staggering a child should go hungry in this day and age. I have experience sadly of real hunger. " Yeah why should skools do it? Why can't parents? | |||
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"I’m in two minds about this. Why should Schools have to do it? And why are kids going hungry that they have to rely on School meals. Surely tackling the route cause would be better. It’s staggering a child should go hungry in this day and age. I have experience sadly of real hunger. Yeah why should skools do it? Why can't parents? " erm because they don’t have the money maybe | |||
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"Roast chicken dinner with vegetables £1.00 what planet do you shop on lol " Buy a fresh chicken for £3.00 , carrots for 40 p and potatoes 60 p. That comes to £4 in total , will feed 4 people and last two days so it is £1 per person. Are you able to supply alternative costings for a value meal. ? | |||
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"Roast chicken dinner with vegetables £1.00 what planet do you shop on lol Buy a fresh chicken for £3.00 , carrots for 40 p and potatoes 60 p. That comes to £4 in total , will feed 4 people and last two days so it is £1 per person. Are you able to supply alternative costings for a value meal. ? " I wonder if you even realise you're basically trotting out the classic "let them eat cake". | |||
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"Roast chicken dinner with vegetables £1.00 what planet do you shop on lol Buy a fresh chicken for £3.00 , carrots for 40 p and potatoes 60 p. That comes to £4 in total , will feed 4 people and last two days so it is £1 per person. Are you able to supply alternative costings for a value meal. ? " a fresh chicken for £3 and two veg and some potatoes would you eat that like a £3 fresh chicken between 4 ffs it be the size of a buggie not two veg plus’s potatoes you say carrots and potatoes and a £3 chicken fucking sounds lush so you want kids to eat worse than a prisoner then ? | |||
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"Roast chicken dinner with vegetables £1.00 what planet do you shop on lol Buy a fresh chicken for £3.00 , carrots for 40 p and potatoes 60 p. That comes to £4 in total , will feed 4 people and last two days so it is £1 per person. Are you able to supply alternative costings for a value meal. ? a fresh chicken for £3 and two veg and some potatoes would you eat that like a £3 fresh chicken between 4 ffs it be the size of a buggie not two veg plus’s potatoes you say carrots and potatoes and a £3 chicken fucking sounds lush so you want kids to eat worse than a prisoner then ?" Hello . I have checked Tescos website for both costings and customer reviews . The cost of the chicken below is £2.95 and it feeds four . I have pasted in the customer review . Lovely flavour 5 stars A Tesco Customer20th June 2020 Four adults, Sunday roast, lovely flavour, everyone satisfied. Hope this helps . | |||
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"Interestingly, no one has mentioned child benefit in this discussion . Currently it is £20.70 for the first child and £13.70 for any subsequent ones . In order to assess the scale of the problem referred to by the original poster , I costed up the cost of feeding a child for a day ( in the example it is a roast chicken dinner for mid day meal with all ingredients being cooked from scratch . ) The costings per child / person are as below Grapefruit ( half ) £0.25 Toast £0.10 Cereal £0.20 Milk £0.20 Roast chickn dinner with vegetable £1.00 Chocolate biscuit £0.15 Egg £0.15 Apple £0.15 Toast / Bread £0.10 Cake £0.25 Margarine £0.05 Cost per day £2.60 Cost per week £18.20 Maybe the issue which the footballer concerned should be addressing is why parents are not capable of cooking meals within a specified budget " Is that benefit simply for food? | |||
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"Roast chicken dinner with vegetables £1.00 what planet do you shop on lol Buy a fresh chicken for £3.00 , carrots for 40 p and potatoes 60 p. That comes to £4 in total , will feed 4 people and last two days so it is £1 per person. Are you able to supply alternative costings for a value meal. ? a fresh chicken for £3 and two veg and some potatoes would you eat that like a £3 fresh chicken between 4 ffs it be the size of a buggie not two veg plus’s potatoes you say carrots and potatoes and a £3 chicken fucking sounds lush so you want kids to eat worse than a prisoner then ? Hello . I have checked Tescos website for both costings and customer reviews . The cost of the chicken below is £2.95 and it feeds four . I have pasted in the customer review . Lovely flavour 5 stars A Tesco Customer20th June 2020 Four adults, Sunday roast, lovely flavour, everyone satisfied. Hope this helps . " Here's another review for the same chicken: "last weeks medium chicken looked more like a pigeon!!" | |||
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"Interestingly, no one has mentioned child benefit in this discussion . Currently it is £20.70 for the first child and £13.70 for any subsequent ones . In order to assess the scale of the problem referred to by the original poster , I costed up the cost of feeding a child for a day ( in the example it is a roast chicken dinner for mid day meal with all ingredients being cooked from scratch . ) The costings per child / person are as below Grapefruit ( half ) £0.25 Toast £0.10 Cereal £0.20 Milk £0.20 Roast chickn dinner with vegetable £1.00 Chocolate biscuit £0.15 Egg £0.15 Apple £0.15 Toast / Bread £0.10 Cake £0.25 Margarine £0.05 Cost per day £2.60 Cost per week £18.20 Maybe the issue which the footballer concerned should be addressing is why parents are not capable of cooking meals within a specified budget Is that benefit simply for food? " exactly it cooks without gas and lecky I’ll swerve he’s house for Sunday lunch lol | |||
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"Threads like this only serve to make some people look worse than they actually are.. Probably the same type of people when slavery was being campaigned against were saying drivel like ' well they got to go in a ship'.. To nit pick about a person who knew hardship as a kid trying to help others, pathetic.." | |||
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"Interestingly, no one has mentioned child benefit in this discussion . Currently it is £20.70 for the first child and £13.70 for any subsequent ones . In order to assess the scale of the problem referred to by the original poster , I costed up the cost of feeding a child for a day ( in the example it is a roast chicken dinner for mid day meal with all ingredients being cooked from scratch . ) The costings per child / person are as below Grapefruit ( half ) £0.25 Toast £0.10 Cereal £0.20 Milk £0.20 Roast chickn dinner with vegetable £1.00 Chocolate biscuit £0.15 Egg £0.15 Apple £0.15 Toast / Bread £0.10 Cake £0.25 Margarine £0.05 Cost per day £2.60 Cost per week £18.20 Maybe the issue which the footballer concerned should be addressing is why parents are not capable of cooking meals within a specified budget " You always say on here when others give data or evidence their position with such that it's of no meaning as in real life it's what a person achieves is what counts so given that you have to concede that this is irrelevant and Marcus Rashford is better place than you indeed I to comment on such matters.. | |||
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"Threads like this only serve to make some people look worse than they actually are.. Probably the same type of people when slavery was being campaigned against were saying drivel like ' well they got to go in a ship'.. To nit pick about a person who knew hardship as a kid trying to help others, pathetic.." However while feedback on an internet forum may be interesting , it will range from those who are attempting to be constructive to those who are simply keyboard warriors . It is probably more important to rely on that obtained in the real world - that will range from work colleagues , voluntary workers and others with whom you socialise . The key guideline is probably how your thoughts and ideas match against the results returned in a general election . Every single person in the UK can advocate giving away other peoples ( tax payers ) money . I cannot see anything admirable about that . Resources are limited and we all have a responsibility to ensure that tax payers money is utilised in the most efficient manner possible . Maybe if he is so keen to help he can join a charity and offer some of his services to them on a voluntarily basis. No one can be criticised for doing that and it is what quite a few people do - it is a very different concept to giving away other peoples money . As things stand I work very closely with a number of people in the care sector and am happy to rely on the feedback received from them. | |||
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"Threads like this only serve to make some people look worse than they actually are.. Probably the same type of people when slavery was being campaigned against were saying drivel like ' well they got to go in a ship'.. To nit pick about a person who knew hardship as a kid trying to help others, pathetic.. However while feedback on an internet forum may be interesting , it will range from those who are attempting to be constructive to those who are simply keyboard warriors . It is probably more important to rely on that obtained in the real world - that will range from work colleagues , voluntary workers and others with whom you socialise . The key guideline is probably how your thoughts and ideas match against the results returned in a general election . Every single person in the UK can advocate giving away other peoples ( tax payers ) money . I cannot see anything admirable about that . Resources are limited and we all have a responsibility to ensure that tax payers money is utilised in the most efficient manner possible . Maybe if he is so keen to help he can join a charity and offer some of his services to them on a voluntarily basis. No one can be criticised for doing that and it is what quite a few people do - it is a very different concept to giving away other peoples money . As things stand I work very closely with a number of people in the care sector and am happy to rely on the feedback received from them." Rashford was actually effective. Much more so than he would have been if he'd just volunteered at a place for a day or 2 as you seem to be advocating. | |||
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"Threads like this only serve to make some people look worse than they actually are.. Probably the same type of people when slavery was being campaigned against were saying drivel like ' well they got to go in a ship'.. To nit pick about a person who knew hardship as a kid trying to help others, pathetic.. However while feedback on an internet forum may be interesting , it will range from those who are attempting to be constructive to those who are simply keyboard warriors . It is probably more important to rely on that obtained in the real world - that will range from work colleagues , voluntary workers and others with whom you socialise . The key guideline is probably how your thoughts and ideas match against the results returned in a general election . Every single person in the UK can advocate giving away other peoples ( tax payers ) money . I cannot see anything admirable about that . Resources are limited and we all have a responsibility to ensure that tax payers money is utilised in the most efficient manner possible . Maybe if he is so keen to help he can join a charity and offer some of his services to them on a voluntarily basis. No one can be criticised for doing that and it is what quite a few people do - it is a very different concept to giving away other peoples money . As things stand I work very closely with a number of people in the care sector and am happy to rely on the feedback received from them." evetything the lad done through lockdown was voluntary it was his time he put in amd he raised millions for hungry kids a pat on the back rather than a kick in the balls mate | |||
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"Threads like this only serve to make some people look worse than they actually are.. Probably the same type of people when slavery was being campaigned against were saying drivel like ' well they got to go in a ship'.. To nit pick about a person who knew hardship as a kid trying to help others, pathetic.. However while feedback on an internet forum may be interesting , it will range from those who are attempting to be constructive to those who are simply keyboard warriors . It is probably more important to rely on that obtained in the real world - that will range from work colleagues , voluntary workers and others with whom you socialise . The key guideline is probably how your thoughts and ideas match against the results returned in a general election . Every single person in the UK can advocate giving away other peoples ( tax payers ) money . I cannot see anything admirable about that . Resources are limited and we all have a responsibility to ensure that tax payers money is utilised in the most efficient manner possible . Maybe if he is so keen to help he can join a charity and offer some of his services to them on a voluntarily basis. No one can be criticised for doing that and it is what quite a few people do - it is a very different concept to giving away other peoples money . As things stand I work very closely with a number of people in the care sector and am happy to rely on the feedback received from them." How is he giving away other peoples money? | |||
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is? Do we know how much of his own money Marcus Rashford proposes to give or is he simply happy to give away other people's money ? . If there are proven instances of hunger , they should be tackled on a case by case basis . We would need a detailed analysis of what people are spending their existing income on in order to have a greater understanding of the issue . Pat, according to full facts.org to September 2019 the level of children living in poverty stood at 34%. For a country which is the 5th or is it now 6th richest in the world that should be for anyone with any empathy and decency a cause for concern.. Not something to be brushed away hiding behind what does a footballer contribute.." Absolutely It is 2020 and some children are as poor and hungry as if it were 1920 We should be bloody ashamed | |||
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"Threads like this only serve to make some people look worse than they actually are.. Probably the same type of people when slavery was being campaigned against were saying drivel like ' well they got to go in a ship'.. To nit pick about a person who knew hardship as a kid trying to help others, pathetic.. However while feedback on an internet forum may be interesting , it will range from those who are attempting to be constructive to those who are simply keyboard warriors . It is probably more important to rely on that obtained in the real world - that will range from work colleagues , voluntary workers and others with whom you socialise . The key guideline is probably how your thoughts and ideas match against the results returned in a general election . Every single person in the UK can advocate giving away other peoples ( tax payers ) money . I cannot see anything admirable about that . Resources are limited and we all have a responsibility to ensure that tax payers money is utilised in the most efficient manner possible . Maybe if he is so keen to help he can join a charity and offer some of his services to them on a voluntarily basis. No one can be criticised for doing that and it is what quite a few people do - it is a very different concept to giving away other peoples money . As things stand I work very closely with a number of people in the care sector and am happy to rely on the feedback received from them." Wtf are you on about, key guideline and the GE? Idiotic drivel pat, I knew you would come out with another tale of some involvement in the care sector as this far in your multiple profiles you've claimed several such things coincidentally each time the claim reflecting the topic be that young people of mixed heritage, the elderly and now another one .. Along with your multiple profiles do you present different personalities as you come across as less than caring, in fact more like condescending in your posts for those less advantaged.. We have the means as a nation to ensure children are not hungry, to deflect or to blame them for that is wrong.. | |||
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"Threads like this only serve to make some people look worse than they actually are.. Probably the same type of people when slavery was being campaigned against were saying drivel like ' well they got to go in a ship'.. To nit pick about a person who knew hardship as a kid trying to help others, pathetic.. However while feedback on an internet forum may be interesting , it will range from those who are attempting to be constructive to those who are simply keyboard warriors . It is probably more important to rely on that obtained in the real world - that will range from work colleagues , voluntary workers and others with whom you socialise . The key guideline is probably how your thoughts and ideas match against the results returned in a general election . Every single person in the UK can advocate giving away other peoples ( tax payers ) money . I cannot see anything admirable about that . Resources are limited and we all have a responsibility to ensure that tax payers money is utilised in the most efficient manner possible . Maybe if he is so keen to help he can join a charity and offer some of his services to them on a voluntarily basis. No one can be criticised for doing that and it is what quite a few people do - it is a very different concept to giving away other peoples money . As things stand I work very closely with a number of people in the care sector and am happy to rely on the feedback received from them. Wtf are you on about, key guideline and the GE? Idiotic drivel pat, I knew you would come out with another tale of some involvement in the care sector as this far in your multiple profiles you've claimed several such things coincidentally each time the claim reflecting the topic be that young people of mixed heritage, the elderly and now another one .. Along with your multiple profiles do you present different personalities as you come across as less than caring, in fact more like condescending in your posts for those less advantaged.. We have the means as a nation to ensure children are not hungry, to deflect or to blame them for that is wrong.. " I think Dominic Rabb has already explained what action has been taken to tackle the issue raised in the original post. As he represents the view of a government which was elected with a massive majority like many people I am hapoy to accept his response . In some instances the desire to give away other peoples money is a reflection of guilt by those who do little to help themselves. As things currently stand in the UK , we currently have a comprehensive welfare benefit system . Maybe the issue which needs to be addressed is how people spend their benefits | |||
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"Threads like this only serve to make some people look worse than they actually are.. Probably the same type of people when slavery was being campaigned against were saying drivel like ' well they got to go in a ship'.. To nit pick about a person who knew hardship as a kid trying to help others, pathetic.. However while feedback on an internet forum may be interesting , it will range from those who are attempting to be constructive to those who are simply keyboard warriors . It is probably more important to rely on that obtained in the real world - that will range from work colleagues , voluntary workers and others with whom you socialise . The key guideline is probably how your thoughts and ideas match against the results returned in a general election . Every single person in the UK can advocate giving away other peoples ( tax payers ) money . I cannot see anything admirable about that . Resources are limited and we all have a responsibility to ensure that tax payers money is utilised in the most efficient manner possible . Maybe if he is so keen to help he can join a charity and offer some of his services to them on a voluntarily basis. No one can be criticised for doing that and it is what quite a few people do - it is a very different concept to giving away other peoples money . As things stand I work very closely with a number of people in the care sector and am happy to rely on the feedback received from them. Wtf are you on about, key guideline and the GE? Idiotic drivel pat, I knew you would come out with another tale of some involvement in the care sector as this far in your multiple profiles you've claimed several such things coincidentally each time the claim reflecting the topic be that young people of mixed heritage, the elderly and now another one .. Along with your multiple profiles do you present different personalities as you come across as less than caring, in fact more like condescending in your posts for those less advantaged.. We have the means as a nation to ensure children are not hungry, to deflect or to blame them for that is wrong.. I think Dominic Rabb has already explained what action has been taken to tackle the issue raised in the original post. As he represents the view of a government which was elected with a massive majority like many people I am hapoy to accept his response . In some instances the desire to give away other peoples money is a reflection of guilt by those who do little to help themselves. As things currently stand in the UK , we currently have a comprehensive welfare benefit system . Maybe the issue which needs to be addressed is how people spend their benefits " Patronising piffle, lacking in empathy and ignoring the realities of the facts.. | |||
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"Interestingly, no one has mentioned child benefit in this discussion . Currently it is £20.70 for the first child and £13.70 for any subsequent ones . In order to assess the scale of the problem referred to by the original poster , I costed up the cost of feeding a child for a day ( in the example it is a roast chicken dinner for mid day meal with all ingredients being cooked from scratch . ) The costings per child / person are as below Grapefruit ( half ) £0.25 Toast £0.10 Cereal £0.20 Milk £0.20 Roast chickn dinner with vegetable £1.00 Chocolate biscuit £0.15 Egg £0.15 Apple £0.15 Toast / Bread £0.10 Cake £0.25 Margarine £0.05 Cost per day £2.60 Cost per week £18.20 Maybe the issue which the footballer concerned should be addressing is why parents are not capable of cooking meals within a specified budget " Which days do you chose for the second child to skip meals. Also we could bind their feet so they don’t need new shoes . Certainly only one set of clothes per month and wash them in a stream with a stone maybe? You’re theory I agree with but in practice is nonsense. Child benefit was originally introduced as a replacement for tax deductions if you were married and had children. It was not designed as a benefit for unemployed or low income people so it’s basic premise is flawed. The amount should reflect today’s real costs and personally I think after two births ( maybe twins on one) you don’t get any more allowance. So if you are on low income it’s your choice to fund another child not the taxpayer’s responsibility to step in. The root cause of all of this is education it’s that simple. If people can’t see beyond a limited existence they sometimes don’t try to better themselves as they don’t understand they can. Some benefits in this country are way to generous and others are way to stingy and not fit for purpose. I helped out at a junior school years ago and witnessed first hand how horrific some children’s home lives were. I was actually shocked this was happening so close to where I lived. So Rashford putting children first before the cost to the taxpayer is something I would totally support and to ask him to pay personally on top of his own tax ( his tax rate is 50%) is just churlish. By all means complain to the government about the system not working but being mean spirited to those children who do need help right now is beneath contempt. | |||
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"Threads like this only serve to make some people look worse than they actually are.. Probably the same type of people when slavery was being campaigned against were saying drivel like ' well they got to go in a ship'.. To nit pick about a person who knew hardship as a kid trying to help others, pathetic.. However while feedback on an internet forum may be interesting , it will range from those who are attempting to be constructive to those who are simply keyboard warriors . It is probably more important to rely on that obtained in the real world - that will range from work colleagues , voluntary workers and others with whom you socialise . The key guideline is probably how your thoughts and ideas match against the results returned in a general election . Every single person in the UK can advocate giving away other peoples ( tax payers ) money . I cannot see anything admirable about that . Resources are limited and we all have a responsibility to ensure that tax payers money is utilised in the most efficient manner possible . Maybe if he is so keen to help he can join a charity and offer some of his services to them on a voluntarily basis. No one can be criticised for doing that and it is what quite a few people do - it is a very different concept to giving away other peoples money . As things stand I work very closely with a number of people in the care sector and am happy to rely on the feedback received from them. Wtf are you on about, key guideline and the GE? Idiotic drivel pat, I knew you would come out with another tale of some involvement in the care sector as this far in your multiple profiles you've claimed several such things coincidentally each time the claim reflecting the topic be that young people of mixed heritage, the elderly and now another one .. Along with your multiple profiles do you present different personalities as you come across as less than caring, in fact more like condescending in your posts for those less advantaged.. We have the means as a nation to ensure children are not hungry, to deflect or to blame them for that is wrong.. I think Dominic Rabb has already explained what action has been taken to tackle the issue raised in the original post. As he represents the view of a government which was elected with a massive majority like many people I am hapoy to accept his response . In some instances the desire to give away other peoples money is a reflection of guilt by those who do little to help themselves. As things currently stand in the UK , we currently have a comprehensive welfare benefit system . Maybe the issue which needs to be addressed is how people spend their benefits " A post that speaks volumes. | |||
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"Threads like this only serve to make some people look worse than they actually are.. Probably the same type of people when slavery was being campaigned against were saying drivel like ' well they got to go in a ship'.. To nit pick about a person who knew hardship as a kid trying to help others, pathetic.. However while feedback on an internet forum may be interesting , it will range from those who are attempting to be constructive to those who are simply keyboard warriors . It is probably more important to rely on that obtained in the real world - that will range from work colleagues , voluntary workers and others with whom you socialise . The key guideline is probably how your thoughts and ideas match against the results returned in a general election . Every single person in the UK can advocate giving away other peoples ( tax payers ) money . I cannot see anything admirable about that . Resources are limited and we all have a responsibility to ensure that tax payers money is utilised in the most efficient manner possible . Maybe if he is so keen to help he can join a charity and offer some of his services to them on a voluntarily basis. No one can be criticised for doing that and it is what quite a few people do - it is a very different concept to giving away other peoples money . As things stand I work very closely with a number of people in the care sector and am happy to rely on the feedback received from them. Wtf are you on about, key guideline and the GE? Idiotic drivel pat, I knew you would come out with another tale of some involvement in the care sector as this far in your multiple profiles you've claimed several such things coincidentally each time the claim reflecting the topic be that young people of mixed heritage, the elderly and now another one .. Along with your multiple profiles do you present different personalities as you come across as less than caring, in fact more like condescending in your posts for those less advantaged.. We have the means as a nation to ensure children are not hungry, to deflect or to blame them for that is wrong.. I think Dominic Rabb has already explained what action has been taken to tackle the issue raised in the original post. As he represents the view of a government which was elected with a massive majority like many people I am hapoy to accept his response . In some instances the desire to give away other peoples money is a reflection of guilt by those who do little to help themselves. As things currently stand in the UK , we currently have a comprehensive welfare benefit system . Maybe the issue which needs to be addressed is how people spend their benefits " Interesting logic you apply here, basically anything a government does is ok because they won a majority in an election held at some point in the last 5 years. | |||
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"Interestingly, no one has mentioned child benefit in this discussion . Currently it is £20.70 for the first child and £13.70 for any subsequent ones . In order to assess the scale of the problem referred to by the original poster , I costed up the cost of feeding a child for a day ( in the example it is a roast chicken dinner for mid day meal with all ingredients being cooked from scratch . ) The costings per child / person are as below Grapefruit ( half ) £0.25 Toast £0.10 Cereal £0.20 Milk £0.20 Roast chickn dinner with vegetable £1.00 Chocolate biscuit £0.15 Egg £0.15 Apple £0.15 Toast / Bread £0.10 Cake £0.25 Margarine £0.05 Cost per day £2.60 Cost per week £18.20 Maybe the issue which the footballer concerned should be addressing is why parents are not capable of cooking meals within a specified budget Which days do you chose for the second child to skip meals. Also we could bind their feet so they don’t need new shoes . Certainly only one set of clothes per month and wash them in a stream with a stone maybe? You’re theory I agree with but in practice is nonsense. Child benefit was originally introduced as a replacement for tax deductions if you were married and had children. It was not designed as a benefit for unemployed or low income people so it’s basic premise is flawed. The amount should reflect today’s real costs and personally I think after two births ( maybe twins on one) you don’t get any more allowance. So if you are on low income it’s your choice to fund another child not the taxpayer’s responsibility to step in. The root cause of all of this is education it’s that simple. If people can’t see beyond a limited existence they sometimes don’t try to better themselves as they don’t understand they can. Some benefits in this country are way to generous and others are way to stingy and not fit for purpose. I helped out at a junior school years ago and witnessed first hand how horrific some children’s home lives were. I was actually shocked this was happening so close to where I lived. So Rashford putting children first before the cost to the taxpayer is something I would totally support and to ask him to pay personally on top of his own tax ( his tax rate is 50%) is just churlish. By all means complain to the government about the system not working but being mean spirited to those children who do need help right now is beneath contempt. " However Dominic Raab has already outlined the measures taken by the government to tackle the issues raised by the original poster , one of which is additional short term local authority funding directed towards those specifically in need. | |||
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"Interestingly, no one has mentioned child benefit in this discussion . Currently it is £20.70 for the first child and £13.70 for any subsequent ones . In order to assess the scale of the problem referred to by the original poster , I costed up the cost of feeding a child for a day ( in the example it is a roast chicken dinner for mid day meal with all ingredients being cooked from scratch . ) The costings per child / person are as below Grapefruit ( half ) £0.25 Toast £0.10 Cereal £0.20 Milk £0.20 Roast chickn dinner with vegetable £1.00 Chocolate biscuit £0.15 Egg £0.15 Apple £0.15 Toast / Bread £0.10 Cake £0.25 Margarine £0.05 Cost per day £2.60 Cost per week £18.20 Maybe the issue which the footballer concerned should be addressing is why parents are not capable of cooking meals within a specified budget Which days do you chose for the second child to skip meals. Also we could bind their feet so they don’t need new shoes . Certainly only one set of clothes per month and wash them in a stream with a stone maybe? You’re theory I agree with but in practice is nonsense. Child benefit was originally introduced as a replacement for tax deductions if you were married and had children. It was not designed as a benefit for unemployed or low income people so it’s basic premise is flawed. The amount should reflect today’s real costs and personally I think after two births ( maybe twins on one) you don’t get any more allowance. So if you are on low income it’s your choice to fund another child not the taxpayer’s responsibility to step in. The root cause of all of this is education it’s that simple. If people can’t see beyond a limited existence they sometimes don’t try to better themselves as they don’t understand they can. Some benefits in this country are way to generous and others are way to stingy and not fit for purpose. I helped out at a junior school years ago and witnessed first hand how horrific some children’s home lives were. I was actually shocked this was happening so close to where I lived. So Rashford putting children first before the cost to the taxpayer is something I would totally support and to ask him to pay personally on top of his own tax ( his tax rate is 50%) is just churlish. By all means complain to the government about the system not working but being mean spirited to those children who do need help right now is beneath contempt. However Dominic Raab has already outlined the measures taken by the government to tackle the issues raised by the original poster , one of which is additional short term local authority funding directed towards those specifically in need. " Good news Let’s hope it replaces the billions they have taken away over the last few years then they’ll all be eating well. Yes some will go on fags and booze I know. It is good news I agree that some money is being passed over but the devil in in the detail as Government money is ring fenced quite often and only allowed to be spent where the Government say. I truly hope it reaches those children. My post was in response to the ridiculous post regarding supporting a child on £20 a week. | |||
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"Interestingly, no one has mentioned child benefit in this discussion . Currently it is £20.70 for the first child and £13.70 for any subsequent ones . In order to assess the scale of the problem referred to by the original poster , I costed up the cost of feeding a child for a day ( in the example it is a roast chicken dinner for mid day meal with all ingredients being cooked from scratch . ) The costings per child / person are as below Grapefruit ( half ) £0.25 Toast £0.10 Cereal £0.20 Milk £0.20 Roast chickn dinner with vegetable £1.00 Chocolate biscuit £0.15 Egg £0.15 Apple £0.15 Toast / Bread £0.10 Cake £0.25 Margarine £0.05 Cost per day £2.60 Cost per week £18.20 Maybe the issue which the footballer concerned should be addressing is why parents are not capable of cooking meals within a specified budget Which days do you chose for the second child to skip meals. Also we could bind their feet so they don’t need new shoes . Certainly only one set of clothes per month and wash them in a stream with a stone maybe? You’re theory I agree with but in practice is nonsense. Child benefit was originally introduced as a replacement for tax deductions if you were married and had children. It was not designed as a benefit for unemployed or low income people so it’s basic premise is flawed. The amount should reflect today’s real costs and personally I think after two births ( maybe twins on one) you don’t get any more allowance. So if you are on low income it’s your choice to fund another child not the taxpayer’s responsibility to step in. The root cause of all of this is education it’s that simple. If people can’t see beyond a limited existence they sometimes don’t try to better themselves as they don’t understand they can. Some benefits in this country are way to generous and others are way to stingy and not fit for purpose. I helped out at a junior school years ago and witnessed first hand how horrific some children’s home lives were. I was actually shocked this was happening so close to where I lived. So Rashford putting children first before the cost to the taxpayer is something I would totally support and to ask him to pay personally on top of his own tax ( his tax rate is 50%) is just churlish. By all means complain to the government about the system not working but being mean spirited to those children who do need help right now is beneath contempt. However Dominic Raab has already outlined the measures taken by the government to tackle the issues raised by the original poster , one of which is additional short term local authority funding directed towards those specifically in need. Good news Let’s hope it replaces the billions they have taken away over the last few years then they’ll all be eating well. Yes some will go on fags and booze I know. It is good news I agree that some money is being passed over but the devil in in the detail as Government money is ring fenced quite often and only allowed to be spent where the Government say. I truly hope it reaches those children. My post was in response to the ridiculous post regarding supporting a child on £20 a week. " I dont know where you get the patience. It's quite simple..if you cant afford to feed,clothe,heat and support in every way a child on £20 its your own fault. If not it's the fault of a footballer or a local gmnt . Because the gmnt were elected with an 80 seat majority.they take no responsibility whatsoever..despite their job being to run the country. | |||
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"Interestingly, no one has mentioned child benefit in this discussion . Currently it is £20.70 for the first child and £13.70 for any subsequent ones . In order to assess the scale of the problem referred to by the original poster , I costed up the cost of feeding a child for a day ( in the example it is a roast chicken dinner for mid day meal with all ingredients being cooked from scratch . ) The costings per child / person are as below Grapefruit ( half ) £0.25 Toast £0.10 Cereal £0.20 Milk £0.20 Roast chickn dinner with vegetable £1.00 Chocolate biscuit £0.15 Egg £0.15 Apple £0.15 Toast / Bread £0.10 Cake £0.25 Margarine £0.05 Cost per day £2.60 Cost per week £18.20 Maybe the issue which the footballer concerned should be addressing is why parents are not capable of cooking meals within a specified budget Which days do you chose for the second child to skip meals. Also we could bind their feet so they don’t need new shoes . Certainly only one set of clothes per month and wash them in a stream with a stone maybe? You’re theory I agree with but in practice is nonsense. Child benefit was originally introduced as a replacement for tax deductions if you were married and had children. It was not designed as a benefit for unemployed or low income people so it’s basic premise is flawed. The amount should reflect today’s real costs and personally I think after two births ( maybe twins on one) you don’t get any more allowance. So if you are on low income it’s your choice to fund another child not the taxpayer’s responsibility to step in. The root cause of all of this is education it’s that simple. If people can’t see beyond a limited existence they sometimes don’t try to better themselves as they don’t understand they can. Some benefits in this country are way to generous and others are way to stingy and not fit for purpose. I helped out at a junior school years ago and witnessed first hand how horrific some children’s home lives were. I was actually shocked this was happening so close to where I lived. So Rashford putting children first before the cost to the taxpayer is something I would totally support and to ask him to pay personally on top of his own tax ( his tax rate is 50%) is just churlish. By all means complain to the government about the system not working but being mean spirited to those children who do need help right now is beneath contempt. " Hi. I assume you mean a tax rate of 45 % ( not 50 % ) . It was my understanding that the top rate is 45 % and that is also the rate quoted on the gov UK website . | |||
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"Interestingly, no one has mentioned child benefit in this discussion . Currently it is £20.70 for the first child and £13.70 for any subsequent ones . In order to assess the scale of the problem referred to by the original poster , I costed up the cost of feeding a child for a day ( in the example it is a roast chicken dinner for mid day meal with all ingredients being cooked from scratch . ) The costings per child / person are as below Grapefruit ( half ) £0.25 Toast £0.10 Cereal £0.20 Milk £0.20 Roast chickn dinner with vegetable £1.00 Chocolate biscuit £0.15 Egg £0.15 Apple £0.15 Toast / Bread £0.10 Cake £0.25 Margarine £0.05 Cost per day £2.60 Cost per week £18.20 Maybe the issue which the footballer concerned should be addressing is why parents are not capable of cooking meals within a specified budget Which days do you chose for the second child to skip meals. Also we could bind their feet so they don’t need new shoes . Certainly only one set of clothes per month and wash them in a stream with a stone maybe? You’re theory I agree with but in practice is nonsense. Child benefit was originally introduced as a replacement for tax deductions if you were married and had children. It was not designed as a benefit for unemployed or low income people so it’s basic premise is flawed. The amount should reflect today’s real costs and personally I think after two births ( maybe twins on one) you don’t get any more allowance. So if you are on low income it’s your choice to fund another child not the taxpayer’s responsibility to step in. The root cause of all of this is education it’s that simple. If people can’t see beyond a limited existence they sometimes don’t try to better themselves as they don’t understand they can. Some benefits in this country are way to generous and others are way to stingy and not fit for purpose. I helped out at a junior school years ago and witnessed first hand how horrific some children’s home lives were. I was actually shocked this was happening so close to where I lived. So Rashford putting children first before the cost to the taxpayer is something I would totally support and to ask him to pay personally on top of his own tax ( his tax rate is 50%) is just churlish. By all means complain to the government about the system not working but being mean spirited to those children who do need help right now is beneath contempt. Hi. I assume you mean a tax rate of 45 % ( not 50 % ) . It was my understanding that the top rate is 45 % and that is also the rate quoted on the gov UK website . " I stand corrected on the rate. So he pays his tax was my point which still stands. Therefore it’s his taxpayers money he is advocating spending don’t you agree! | |||
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"Threads like this only serve to make some people look worse than they actually are.. Probably the same type of people when slavery was being campaigned against were saying drivel like ' well they got to go in a ship'.. To nit pick about a person who knew hardship as a kid trying to help others, pathetic.." you are wasteing yr time with him he can’t be helped although I could think of something I’d like to do to help him see Sense if only eh | |||
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"Threads like this only serve to make some people look worse than they actually are.. Probably the same type of people when slavery was being campaigned against were saying drivel like ' well they got to go in a ship'.. To nit pick about a person who knew hardship as a kid trying to help others, pathetic..you are wasteing yr time with him he can’t be helped although I could think of something I’d like to do to help him see Sense if only eh " He has many profiles, maybe with one he has empathy.. | |||
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"Threads like this only serve to make some people look worse than they actually are.. Probably the same type of people when slavery was being campaigned against were saying drivel like ' well they got to go in a ship'.. To nit pick about a person who knew hardship as a kid trying to help others, pathetic..you are wasteing yr time with him he can’t be helped although I could think of something I’d like to do to help him see Sense if only eh He has many profiles, maybe with one he has empathy.." if he’s got none for poor hungry kids I very much doubt that it | |||
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"Interestingly, no one has mentioned child benefit in this discussion . Currently it is £20.70 for the first child and £13.70 for any subsequent ones . In order to assess the scale of the problem referred to by the original poster , I costed up the cost of feeding a child for a day ( in the example it is a roast chicken dinner for mid day meal with all ingredients being cooked from scratch . ) The costings per child / person are as below Grapefruit ( half ) £0.25 Toast £0.10 Cereal £0.20 Milk £0.20 Roast chickn dinner with vegetable £1.00 Chocolate biscuit £0.15 Egg £0.15 Apple £0.15 Toast / Bread £0.10 Cake £0.25 Margarine £0.05 Cost per day £2.60 Cost per week £18.20 Maybe the issue which the footballer concerned should be addressing is why parents are not capable of cooking meals within a specified budget Which days do you chose for the second child to skip meals. Also we could bind their feet so they don’t need new shoes . Certainly only one set of clothes per month and wash them in a stream with a stone maybe? You’re theory I agree with but in practice is nonsense. Child benefit was originally introduced as a replacement for tax deductions if you were married and had children. It was not designed as a benefit for unemployed or low income people so it’s basic premise is flawed. The amount should reflect today’s real costs and personally I think after two births ( maybe twins on one) you don’t get any more allowance. So if you are on low income it’s your choice to fund another child not the taxpayer’s responsibility to step in. The root cause of all of this is education it’s that simple. If people can’t see beyond a limited existence they sometimes don’t try to better themselves as they don’t understand they can. Some benefits in this country are way to generous and others are way to stingy and not fit for purpose. I helped out at a junior school years ago and witnessed first hand how horrific some children’s home lives were. I was actually shocked this was happening so close to where I lived. So Rashford putting children first before the cost to the taxpayer is something I would totally support and to ask him to pay personally on top of his own tax ( his tax rate is 50%) is just churlish. By all means complain to the government about the system not working but being mean spirited to those children who do need help right now is beneath contempt. Hi. I assume you mean a tax rate of 45 % ( not 50 % ) . It was my understanding that the top rate is 45 % and that is also the rate quoted on the gov UK website . I stand corrected on the rate. So he pays his tax was my point which still stands. Therefore it’s his taxpayers money he is advocating spending don’t you agree! " I do not disagree. However everyone pays taxes and what he is advocating is the expenditure of taxpayers money on a particular issue which the government have already taken steps to address . If his request was accompanied by a payment of a substantial sum from his salary towards the cause which he is promoting , it would have a lot more creditability . Many people take actions to help the less well off and these do not include simply wanting to spend tax payers money . Tesco work with foodbanks , Screwfix allow you to round up payments, many companies work with a wide variety of charities throughout the year to raise funds and churches put considerable effort into helping the less well off . In all of these cases there is a community spirit involved and no one involved in any of these schemes is expecting the tax payer payer to foot the cost. In the last month alone I think Tesco via their customers raised up to three million pounds to help charities. This is a commendable achievement by both Tescos and their customers . | |||
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"Interestingly, no one has mentioned child benefit in this discussion . Currently it is £20.70 for the first child and £13.70 for any subsequent ones . In order to assess the scale of the problem referred to by the original poster , I costed up the cost of feeding a child for a day ( in the example it is a roast chicken dinner for mid day meal with all ingredients being cooked from scratch . ) The costings per child / person are as below Grapefruit ( half ) £0.25 Toast £0.10 Cereal £0.20 Milk £0.20 Roast chickn dinner with vegetable £1.00 Chocolate biscuit £0.15 Egg £0.15 Apple £0.15 Toast / Bread £0.10 Cake £0.25 Margarine £0.05 Cost per day £2.60 Cost per week £18.20 Maybe the issue which the footballer concerned should be addressing is why parents are not capable of cooking meals within a specified budget Which days do you chose for the second child to skip meals. Also we could bind their feet so they don’t need new shoes . Certainly only one set of clothes per month and wash them in a stream with a stone maybe? You’re theory I agree with but in practice is nonsense. Child benefit was originally introduced as a replacement for tax deductions if you were married and had children. It was not designed as a benefit for unemployed or low income people so it’s basic premise is flawed. The amount should reflect today’s real costs and personally I think after two births ( maybe twins on one) you don’t get any more allowance. So if you are on low income it’s your choice to fund another child not the taxpayer’s responsibility to step in. The root cause of all of this is education it’s that simple. If people can’t see beyond a limited existence they sometimes don’t try to better themselves as they don’t understand they can. Some benefits in this country are way to generous and others are way to stingy and not fit for purpose. I helped out at a junior school years ago and witnessed first hand how horrific some children’s home lives were. I was actually shocked this was happening so close to where I lived. So Rashford putting children first before the cost to the taxpayer is something I would totally support and to ask him to pay personally on top of his own tax ( his tax rate is 50%) is just churlish. By all means complain to the government about the system not working but being mean spirited to those children who do need help right now is beneath contempt. Hi. I assume you mean a tax rate of 45 % ( not 50 % ) . It was my understanding that the top rate is 45 % and that is also the rate quoted on the gov UK website . I stand corrected on the rate. So he pays his tax was my point which still stands. Therefore it’s his taxpayers money he is advocating spending don’t you agree! I do not disagree. However everyone pays taxes and what he is advocating is the expenditure of taxpayers money on a particular issue which the government have already taken steps to address . If his request was accompanied by a payment of a substantial sum from his salary towards the cause which he is promoting , it would have a lot more creditability . Many people take actions to help the less well off and these do not include simply wanting to spend tax payers money . Tesco work with foodbanks , Screwfix allow you to round up payments, many companies work with a wide variety of charities throughout the year to raise funds and churches put considerable effort into helping the less well off . In all of these cases there is a community spirit involved and no one involved in any of these schemes is expecting the tax payer payer to foot the cost. In the last month alone I think Tesco via their customers raised up to three million pounds to help charities. This is a commendable achievement by both Tescos and their customers . " can you name any better way to spend tax payers money then than feeding hungry kids ? | |||
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"Interestingly, no one has mentioned child benefit in this discussion . Currently it is £20.70 for the first child and £13.70 for any subsequent ones . In order to assess the scale of the problem referred to by the original poster , I costed up the cost of feeding a child for a day ( in the example it is a roast chicken dinner for mid day meal with all ingredients being cooked from scratch . ) The costings per child / person are as below Grapefruit ( half ) £0.25 Toast £0.10 Cereal £0.20 Milk £0.20 Roast chickn dinner with vegetable £1.00 Chocolate biscuit £0.15 Egg £0.15 Apple £0.15 Toast / Bread £0.10 Cake £0.25 Margarine £0.05 Cost per day £2.60 Cost per week £18.20 Maybe the issue which the footballer concerned should be addressing is why parents are not capable of cooking meals within a specified budget Which days do you chose for the second child to skip meals. Also we could bind their feet so they don’t need new shoes . Certainly only one set of clothes per month and wash them in a stream with a stone maybe? You’re theory I agree with but in practice is nonsense. Child benefit was originally introduced as a replacement for tax deductions if you were married and had children. It was not designed as a benefit for unemployed or low income people so it’s basic premise is flawed. The amount should reflect today’s real costs and personally I think after two births ( maybe twins on one) you don’t get any more allowance. So if you are on low income it’s your choice to fund another child not the taxpayer’s responsibility to step in. The root cause of all of this is education it’s that simple. If people can’t see beyond a limited existence they sometimes don’t try to better themselves as they don’t understand they can. Some benefits in this country are way to generous and others are way to stingy and not fit for purpose. I helped out at a junior school years ago and witnessed first hand how horrific some children’s home lives were. I was actually shocked this was happening so close to where I lived. So Rashford putting children first before the cost to the taxpayer is something I would totally support and to ask him to pay personally on top of his own tax ( his tax rate is 50%) is just churlish. By all means complain to the government about the system not working but being mean spirited to those children who do need help right now is beneath contempt. Hi. I assume you mean a tax rate of 45 % ( not 50 % ) . It was my understanding that the top rate is 45 % and that is also the rate quoted on the gov UK website . I stand corrected on the rate. So he pays his tax was my point which still stands. Therefore it’s his taxpayers money he is advocating spending don’t you agree! I do not disagree. However everyone pays taxes and what he is advocating is the expenditure of taxpayers money on a particular issue which the government have already taken steps to address . If his request was accompanied by a payment of a substantial sum from his salary towards the cause which he is promoting , it would have a lot more creditability . Many people take actions to help the less well off and these do not include simply wanting to spend tax payers money . Tesco work with foodbanks , Screwfix allow you to round up payments, many companies work with a wide variety of charities throughout the year to raise funds and churches put considerable effort into helping the less well off . In all of these cases there is a community spirit involved and no one involved in any of these schemes is expecting the tax payer payer to foot the cost. In the last month alone I think Tesco via their customers raised up to three million pounds to help charities. This is a commendable achievement by both Tescos and their customers . can you name any better way to spend tax payers money then than feeding hungry kids ?" Spend 200 billion on Brexit? | |||
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"Interestingly, no one has mentioned child benefit in this discussion . Currently it is £20.70 for the first child and £13.70 for any subsequent ones . In order to assess the scale of the problem referred to by the original poster , I costed up the cost of feeding a child for a day ( in the example it is a roast chicken dinner for mid day meal with all ingredients being cooked from scratch . ) The costings per child / person are as below Grapefruit ( half ) £0.25 Toast £0.10 Cereal £0.20 Milk £0.20 Roast chickn dinner with vegetable £1.00 Chocolate biscuit £0.15 Egg £0.15 Apple £0.15 Toast / Bread £0.10 Cake £0.25 Margarine £0.05 Cost per day £2.60 Cost per week £18.20 Maybe the issue which the footballer concerned should be addressing is why parents are not capable of cooking meals within a specified budget Which days do you chose for the second child to skip meals. Also we could bind their feet so they don’t need new shoes . Certainly only one set of clothes per month and wash them in a stream with a stone maybe? You’re theory I agree with but in practice is nonsense. Child benefit was originally introduced as a replacement for tax deductions if you were married and had children. It was not designed as a benefit for unemployed or low income people so it’s basic premise is flawed. The amount should reflect today’s real costs and personally I think after two births ( maybe twins on one) you don’t get any more allowance. So if you are on low income it’s your choice to fund another child not the taxpayer’s responsibility to step in. The root cause of all of this is education it’s that simple. If people can’t see beyond a limited existence they sometimes don’t try to better themselves as they don’t understand they can. Some benefits in this country are way to generous and others are way to stingy and not fit for purpose. I helped out at a junior school years ago and witnessed first hand how horrific some children’s home lives were. I was actually shocked this was happening so close to where I lived. So Rashford putting children first before the cost to the taxpayer is something I would totally support and to ask him to pay personally on top of his own tax ( his tax rate is 50%) is just churlish. By all means complain to the government about the system not working but being mean spirited to those children who do need help right now is beneath contempt. Hi. I assume you mean a tax rate of 45 % ( not 50 % ) . It was my understanding that the top rate is 45 % and that is also the rate quoted on the gov UK website . I stand corrected on the rate. So he pays his tax was my point which still stands. Therefore it’s his taxpayers money he is advocating spending don’t you agree! I do not disagree. However everyone pays taxes and what he is advocating is the expenditure of taxpayers money on a particular issue which the government have already taken steps to address . If his request was accompanied by a payment of a substantial sum from his salary towards the cause which he is promoting , it would have a lot more creditability . Many people take actions to help the less well off and these do not include simply wanting to spend tax payers money . Tesco work with foodbanks , Screwfix allow you to round up payments, many companies work with a wide variety of charities throughout the year to raise funds and churches put considerable effort into helping the less well off . In all of these cases there is a community spirit involved and no one involved in any of these schemes is expecting the tax payer payer to foot the cost. In the last month alone I think Tesco via their customers raised up to three million pounds to help charities. This is a commendable achievement by both Tescos and their customers . can you name any better way to spend tax payers money then than feeding hungry kids ? Spend 200 billion on Brexit? " not like you to mention Brexit lol | |||
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"Interestingly, no one has mentioned child benefit in this discussion . Currently it is £20.70 for the first child and £13.70 for any subsequent ones . In order to assess the scale of the problem referred to by the original poster , I costed up the cost of feeding a child for a day ( in the example it is a roast chicken dinner for mid day meal with all ingredients being cooked from scratch . ) The costings per child / person are as below Grapefruit ( half ) £0.25 Toast £0.10 Cereal £0.20 Milk £0.20 Roast chickn dinner with vegetable £1.00 Chocolate biscuit £0.15 Egg £0.15 Apple £0.15 Toast / Bread £0.10 Cake £0.25 Margarine £0.05 Cost per day £2.60 Cost per week £18.20 Maybe the issue which the footballer concerned should be addressing is why parents are not capable of cooking meals within a specified budget Which days do you chose for the second child to skip meals. Also we could bind their feet so they don’t need new shoes . Certainly only one set of clothes per month and wash them in a stream with a stone maybe? You’re theory I agree with but in practice is nonsense. Child benefit was originally introduced as a replacement for tax deductions if you were married and had children. It was not designed as a benefit for unemployed or low income people so it’s basic premise is flawed. The amount should reflect today’s real costs and personally I think after two births ( maybe twins on one) you don’t get any more allowance. So if you are on low income it’s your choice to fund another child not the taxpayer’s responsibility to step in. The root cause of all of this is education it’s that simple. If people can’t see beyond a limited existence they sometimes don’t try to better themselves as they don’t understand they can. Some benefits in this country are way to generous and others are way to stingy and not fit for purpose. I helped out at a junior school years ago and witnessed first hand how horrific some children’s home lives were. I was actually shocked this was happening so close to where I lived. So Rashford putting children first before the cost to the taxpayer is something I would totally support and to ask him to pay personally on top of his own tax ( his tax rate is 50%) is just churlish. By all means complain to the government about the system not working but being mean spirited to those children who do need help right now is beneath contempt. Hi. I assume you mean a tax rate of 45 % ( not 50 % ) . It was my understanding that the top rate is 45 % and that is also the rate quoted on the gov UK website . I stand corrected on the rate. So he pays his tax was my point which still stands. Therefore it’s his taxpayers money he is advocating spending don’t you agree! I do not disagree. However everyone pays taxes and what he is advocating is the expenditure of taxpayers money on a particular issue which the government have already taken steps to address . If his request was accompanied by a payment of a substantial sum from his salary towards the cause which he is promoting , it would have a lot more creditability . Many people take actions to help the less well off and these do not include simply wanting to spend tax payers money . Tesco work with foodbanks , Screwfix allow you to round up payments, many companies work with a wide variety of charities throughout the year to raise funds and churches put considerable effort into helping the less well off . In all of these cases there is a community spirit involved and no one involved in any of these schemes is expecting the tax payer payer to foot the cost. In the last month alone I think Tesco via their customers raised up to three million pounds to help charities. This is a commendable achievement by both Tescos and their customers . can you name any better way to spend tax payers money then than feeding hungry kids ? Spend 200 billion on Brexit? not like you to mention Brexit lol How many free school meals do you get with 200 billion? You can take the all the poor kids to Michelin star restaurants for about 59 years I guess. But the priority is elsewhere isn’t it? " you can take the all the poor kids sorry can’t understand what you mean lol | |||
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"Interestingly, no one has mentioned child benefit in this discussion . Currently it is £20.70 for the first child and £13.70 for any subsequent ones . In order to assess the scale of the problem referred to by the original poster , I costed up the cost of feeding a child for a day ( in the example it is a roast chicken dinner for mid day meal with all ingredients being cooked from scratch . ) The costings per child / person are as below Grapefruit ( half ) £0.25 Toast £0.10 Cereal £0.20 Milk £0.20 Roast chickn dinner with vegetable £1.00 Chocolate biscuit £0.15 Egg £0.15 Apple £0.15 Toast / Bread £0.10 Cake £0.25 Margarine £0.05 Cost per day £2.60 Cost per week £18.20 Maybe the issue which the footballer concerned should be addressing is why parents are not capable of cooking meals within a specified budget Which days do you chose for the second child to skip meals. Also we could bind their feet so they don’t need new shoes . Certainly only one set of clothes per month and wash them in a stream with a stone maybe? You’re theory I agree with but in practice is nonsense. Child benefit was originally introduced as a replacement for tax deductions if you were married and had children. It was not designed as a benefit for unemployed or low income people so it’s basic premise is flawed. The amount should reflect today’s real costs and personally I think after two births ( maybe twins on one) you don’t get any more allowance. So if you are on low income it’s your choice to fund another child not the taxpayer’s responsibility to step in. The root cause of all of this is education it’s that simple. If people can’t see beyond a limited existence they sometimes don’t try to better themselves as they don’t understand they can. Some benefits in this country are way to generous and others are way to stingy and not fit for purpose. I helped out at a junior school years ago and witnessed first hand how horrific some children’s home lives were. I was actually shocked this was happening so close to where I lived. So Rashford putting children first before the cost to the taxpayer is something I would totally support and to ask him to pay personally on top of his own tax ( his tax rate is 50%) is just churlish. By all means complain to the government about the system not working but being mean spirited to those children who do need help right now is beneath contempt. Hi. I assume you mean a tax rate of 45 % ( not 50 % ) . It was my understanding that the top rate is 45 % and that is also the rate quoted on the gov UK website . I stand corrected on the rate. So he pays his tax was my point which still stands. Therefore it’s his taxpayers money he is advocating spending don’t you agree! I do not disagree. However everyone pays taxes and what he is advocating is the expenditure of taxpayers money on a particular issue which the government have already taken steps to address . If his request was accompanied by a payment of a substantial sum from his salary towards the cause which he is promoting , it would have a lot more creditability . Many people take actions to help the less well off and these do not include simply wanting to spend tax payers money . Tesco work with foodbanks , Screwfix allow you to round up payments, many companies work with a wide variety of charities throughout the year to raise funds and churches put considerable effort into helping the less well off . In all of these cases there is a community spirit involved and no one involved in any of these schemes is expecting the tax payer payer to foot the cost. In the last month alone I think Tesco via their customers raised up to three million pounds to help charities. This is a commendable achievement by both Tescos and their customers . can you name any better way to spend tax payers money then than feeding hungry kids ? Spend 200 billion on Brexit? not like you to mention Brexit lol How many free school meals do you get with 200 billion? You can take the all the poor kids to Michelin star restaurants for about 59 years I guess. But the priority is elsewhere isn’t it? you can take the all the poor kids sorry can’t understand what you mean lol You will have to try harder. Your English is crap. In my case, it’s my typing that’s crap but it has been edited unlike your Chinese posts. Just tell us how many free school meals we could afford with 200 billion." ah I get it now you think my crap smells worse than yours lol have you tried to better yourself by takeing the time to learn to type better then ? It may improve your life sexy lol | |||
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"Interestingly, no one has mentioned child benefit in this discussion . Currently it is £20.70 for the first child and £13.70 for any subsequent ones . In order to assess the scale of the problem referred to by the original poster , I costed up the cost of feeding a child for a day ( in the example it is a roast chicken dinner for mid day meal with all ingredients being cooked from scratch . ) The costings per child / person are as below Grapefruit ( half ) £0.25 Toast £0.10 Cereal £0.20 Milk £0.20 Roast chickn dinner with vegetable £1.00 Chocolate biscuit £0.15 Egg £0.15 Apple £0.15 Toast / Bread £0.10 Cake £0.25 Margarine £0.05 Cost per day £2.60 Cost per week £18.20 Maybe the issue which the footballer concerned should be addressing is why parents are not capable of cooking meals within a specified budget Which days do you chose for the second child to skip meals. Also we could bind their feet so they don’t need new shoes . Certainly only one set of clothes per month and wash them in a stream with a stone maybe? You’re theory I agree with but in practice is nonsense. Child benefit was originally introduced as a replacement for tax deductions if you were married and had children. It was not designed as a benefit for unemployed or low income people so it’s basic premise is flawed. The amount should reflect today’s real costs and personally I think after two births ( maybe twins on one) you don’t get any more allowance. So if you are on low income it’s your choice to fund another child not the taxpayer’s responsibility to step in. The root cause of all of this is education it’s that simple. If people can’t see beyond a limited existence they sometimes don’t try to better themselves as they don’t understand they can. Some benefits in this country are way to generous and others are way to stingy and not fit for purpose. I helped out at a junior school years ago and witnessed first hand how horrific some children’s home lives were. I was actually shocked this was happening so close to where I lived. So Rashford putting children first before the cost to the taxpayer is something I would totally support and to ask him to pay personally on top of his own tax ( his tax rate is 50%) is just churlish. By all means complain to the government about the system not working but being mean spirited to those children who do need help right now is beneath contempt. Hi. I assume you mean a tax rate of 45 % ( not 50 % ) . It was my understanding that the top rate is 45 % and that is also the rate quoted on the gov UK website . I stand corrected on the rate. So he pays his tax was my point which still stands. Therefore it’s his taxpayers money he is advocating spending don’t you agree! I do not disagree. However everyone pays taxes and what he is advocating is the expenditure of taxpayers money on a particular issue which the government have already taken steps to address . If his request was accompanied by a payment of a substantial sum from his salary towards the cause which he is promoting , it would have a lot more creditability . Many people take actions to help the less well off and these do not include simply wanting to spend tax payers money . Tesco work with foodbanks , Screwfix allow you to round up payments, many companies work with a wide variety of charities throughout the year to raise funds and churches put considerable effort into helping the less well off . In all of these cases there is a community spirit involved and no one involved in any of these schemes is expecting the tax payer payer to foot the cost. In the last month alone I think Tesco via their customers raised up to three million pounds to help charities. This is a commendable achievement by both Tescos and their customers . can you name any better way to spend tax payers money then than feeding hungry kids ? Spend 200 billion on Brexit? not like you to mention Brexit lol How many free school meals do you get with 200 billion? You can take the all the poor kids to Michelin star restaurants for about 59 years I guess. But the priority is elsewhere isn’t it? you can take the all the poor kids sorry can’t understand what you mean lol You will have to try harder. Your English is crap. In my case, it’s my typing that’s crap but it has been edited unlike your Chinese posts. Just tell us how many free school meals we could afford with 200 billion.ah I get it now you think my crap smells worse than yours lol have you tried to better yourself by takeing the time to learn to type better then ? It may improve your life sexy lol" I confirm that your crap smells. Lol. What a muppet seriously. What about the 200 billion? | |||
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"Interestingly, no one has mentioned child benefit in this discussion . Currently it is £20.70 for the first child and £13.70 for any subsequent ones . In order to assess the scale of the problem referred to by the original poster , I costed up the cost of feeding a child for a day ( in the example it is a roast chicken dinner for mid day meal with all ingredients being cooked from scratch . ) The costings per child / person are as below Grapefruit ( half ) £0.25 Toast £0.10 Cereal £0.20 Milk £0.20 Roast chickn dinner with vegetable £1.00 Chocolate biscuit £0.15 Egg £0.15 Apple £0.15 Toast / Bread £0.10 Cake £0.25 Margarine £0.05 Cost per day £2.60 Cost per week £18.20 Maybe the issue which the footballer concerned should be addressing is why parents are not capable of cooking meals within a specified budget Which days do you chose for the second child to skip meals. Also we could bind their feet so they don’t need new shoes . Certainly only one set of clothes per month and wash them in a stream with a stone maybe? You’re theory I agree with but in practice is nonsense. Child benefit was originally introduced as a replacement for tax deductions if you were married and had children. It was not designed as a benefit for unemployed or low income people so it’s basic premise is flawed. The amount should reflect today’s real costs and personally I think after two births ( maybe twins on one) you don’t get any more allowance. So if you are on low income it’s your choice to fund another child not the taxpayer’s responsibility to step in. The root cause of all of this is education it’s that simple. If people can’t see beyond a limited existence they sometimes don’t try to better themselves as they don’t understand they can. Some benefits in this country are way to generous and others are way to stingy and not fit for purpose. I helped out at a junior school years ago and witnessed first hand how horrific some children’s home lives were. I was actually shocked this was happening so close to where I lived. So Rashford putting children first before the cost to the taxpayer is something I would totally support and to ask him to pay personally on top of his own tax ( his tax rate is 50%) is just churlish. By all means complain to the government about the system not working but being mean spirited to those children who do need help right now is beneath contempt. Hi. I assume you mean a tax rate of 45 % ( not 50 % ) . It was my understanding that the top rate is 45 % and that is also the rate quoted on the gov UK website . I stand corrected on the rate. So he pays his tax was my point which still stands. Therefore it’s his taxpayers money he is advocating spending don’t you agree! I do not disagree. However everyone pays taxes and what he is advocating is the expenditure of taxpayers money on a particular issue which the government have already taken steps to address . If his request was accompanied by a payment of a substantial sum from his salary towards the cause which he is promoting , it would have a lot more creditability . Many people take actions to help the less well off and these do not include simply wanting to spend tax payers money . Tesco work with foodbanks , Screwfix allow you to round up payments, many companies work with a wide variety of charities throughout the year to raise funds and churches put considerable effort into helping the less well off . In all of these cases there is a community spirit involved and no one involved in any of these schemes is expecting the tax payer payer to foot the cost. In the last month alone I think Tesco via their customers raised up to three million pounds to help charities. This is a commendable achievement by both Tescos and their customers . can you name any better way to spend tax payers money then than feeding hungry kids ? Spend 200 billion on Brexit? not like you to mention Brexit lol How many free school meals do you get with 200 billion? You can take the all the poor kids to Michelin star restaurants for about 59 years I guess. But the priority is elsewhere isn’t it? you can take the all the poor kids sorry can’t understand what you mean lol You will have to try harder. Your English is crap. In my case, it’s my typing that’s crap but it has been edited unlike your Chinese posts. Just tell us how many free school meals we could afford with 200 billion.ah I get it now you think my crap smells worse than yours lol have you tried to better yourself by takeing the time to learn to type better then ? It may improve your life sexy lol I confirm that your crap smells. Lol. What a muppet seriously. What about the 200 billion? " sexy baby you insult me then expect me to answer your questions play nice now buggerluggs | |||
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Don’t bother answering about the 200 billion. You’ve got nothing to answer because there is nothing to answer.
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"Excellent! The poor lad that manages 5 posts on a ‘the’.
Don’t bother answering about the 200 billion. You’ve got nothing to answer because there is nothing to answer.
anyway sexybugger what is the answer lol"Is sexybugger meant to be a pun? A joke? | |||
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"Excellent! The poor lad that manages 5 posts on a ‘the’.
Don’t bother answering about the 200 billion. You’ve got nothing to answer because there is nothing to answer.
anyway sexybugger what is the answer lol
Is sexybugger meant to be a pun? A joke? "no it’s just as I see you a sexy bugger of a man who’s very highly educated very successful a bit of a social butterfly type of guy you mite see me as a thick northerner who wears a flat cap has a shed full of ferrets and parcial to a peaspudding sarnie and a pint of Yorkshire tea lol ya just never know who yr talking to on here lol | |||
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"Interestingly, no one has mentioned child benefit in this discussion . Currently it is £20.70 for the first child and £13.70 for any subsequent ones . In order to assess the scale of the problem referred to by the original poster , I costed up the cost of feeding a child for a day ( in the example it is a roast chicken dinner for mid day meal with all ingredients being cooked from scratch . ) The costings per child / person are as below Grapefruit ( half ) £0.25 Toast £0.10 Cereal £0.20 Milk £0.20 Roast chickn dinner with vegetable £1.00 Chocolate biscuit £0.15 Egg £0.15 Apple £0.15 Toast / Bread £0.10 Cake £0.25 Margarine £0.05 Cost per day £2.60 Cost per week £18.20 Maybe the issue which the footballer concerned should be addressing is why parents are not capable of cooking meals within a specified budget Which days do you chose for the second child to skip meals. Also we could bind their feet so they don’t need new shoes . Certainly only one set of clothes per month and wash them in a stream with a stone maybe? You’re theory I agree with but in practice is nonsense. Child benefit was originally introduced as a replacement for tax deductions if you were married and had children. It was not designed as a benefit for unemployed or low income people so it’s basic premise is flawed. The amount should reflect today’s real costs and personally I think after two births ( maybe twins on one) you don’t get any more allowance. So if you are on low income it’s your choice to fund another child not the taxpayer’s responsibility to step in. The root cause of all of this is education it’s that simple. If people can’t see beyond a limited existence they sometimes don’t try to better themselves as they don’t understand they can. Some benefits in this country are way to generous and others are way to stingy and not fit for purpose. I helped out at a junior school years ago and witnessed first hand how horrific some children’s home lives were. I was actually shocked this was happening so close to where I lived. So Rashford putting children first before the cost to the taxpayer is something I would totally support and to ask him to pay personally on top of his own tax ( his tax rate is 50%) is just churlish. By all means complain to the government about the system not working but being mean spirited to those children who do need help right now is beneath contempt. Hi. I assume you mean a tax rate of 45 % ( not 50 % ) . It was my understanding that the top rate is 45 % and that is also the rate quoted on the gov UK website . I stand corrected on the rate. So he pays his tax was my point which still stands. Therefore it’s his taxpayers money he is advocating spending don’t you agree! I do not disagree. However everyone pays taxes and what he is advocating is the expenditure of taxpayers money on a particular issue which the government have already taken steps to address . If his request was accompanied by a payment of a substantial sum from his salary towards the cause which he is promoting , it would have a lot more creditability . Many people take actions to help the less well off and these do not include simply wanting to spend tax payers money . Tesco work with foodbanks , Screwfix allow you to round up payments, many companies work with a wide variety of charities throughout the year to raise funds and churches put considerable effort into helping the less well off . In all of these cases there is a community spirit involved and no one involved in any of these schemes is expecting the tax payer payer to foot the cost. In the last month alone I think Tesco via their customers raised up to three million pounds to help charities. This is a commendable achievement by both Tescos and their customers . " So his employer should be paying more . I totally agree. Man Utd off should definitely pay more like Tesco etc . Good on their customers too. Churches too are good but again hide their huge land portfolios from view. You don’t think those collection plates cover all the costs do you? Screwfix however can go and get fucked ! They are owned by B&Q who are then owned by kingfisher investments who in turn are largely owned by offshore investment vehicles such as Mondrian investments who’s tax registration is in London but actual banking is done in Panama hidden from view of HMRC So their paltry couple of million is dwarfed by how much they steel from us ! Rashford is a self made good guy who cares and doesn’t pretend to be smart. Your cynical view is why we let Boris and Co get away with taking the piss! This country is worth a shed load of money but it’s controlled by very very few people . Those people fund Boris so tell me again who should pay? | |||
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"Excellent! The poor lad that manages 5 posts on a ‘the’.
Don’t bother answering about the 200 billion. You’ve got nothing to answer because there is nothing to answer.
anyway sexybugger what is the answer lol
Is sexybugger meant to be a pun? A joke? no it’s just as I see you a sexy bugger of a man who’s very highly educated very successful a bit of a social butterfly type of guy you mite see me as a thick northerner who wears a flat cap has a shed full of ferrets and parcial to a peaspudding sarnie and a pint of Yorkshire tea lol ya just never know who yr talking to on here lol"You’re over complicating things. I just see you as a guy who writes 10 lines without punctuation and whose messages are jigsaws. For the rest, I don’t care about your personal life, your cap etc... £200 billion, my friend.That’s a lot of sandwiches at the school canteen.Keep counting! | |||
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"Excellent! The poor lad that manages 5 posts on a ‘the’.
Don’t bother answering about the 200 billion. You’ve got nothing to answer because there is nothing to answer.
anyway sexybugger what is the answer lol
Is sexybugger meant to be a pun? A joke? no it’s just as I see you a sexy bugger of a man who’s very highly educated very successful a bit of a social butterfly type of guy you mite see me as a thick northerner who wears a flat cap has a shed full of ferrets and parcial to a peaspudding sarnie and a pint of Yorkshire tea lol ya just never know who yr talking to on here lol
You’re over complicating things. I just see you as a guy who writes 10 lines without punctuation and whose messages are jigsaws. For the rest, I don’t care about your personal life, your cap etc...
£200 billion, my friend.That’s a lot of sandwiches at the school canteen.Keep counting! "your telling me I used to have a sandwich shop lol | |||
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"Interestingly, no one has mentioned child benefit in this discussion . Currently it is £20.70 for the first child and £13.70 for any subsequent ones . In order to assess the scale of the problem referred to by the original poster , I costed up the cost of feeding a child for a day ( in the example it is a roast chicken dinner for mid day meal with all ingredients being cooked from scratch . ) The costings per child / person are as below Grapefruit ( half ) £0.25 Toast £0.10 Cereal £0.20 Milk £0.20 Roast chickn dinner with vegetable £1.00 Chocolate biscuit £0.15 Egg £0.15 Apple £0.15 Toast / Bread £0.10 Cake £0.25 Margarine £0.05 Cost per day £2.60 Cost per week £18.20 Maybe the issue which the footballer concerned should be addressing is why parents are not capable of cooking meals within a specified budget Which days do you chose for the second child to skip meals. Also we could bind their feet so they don’t need new shoes . Certainly only one set of clothes per month and wash them in a stream with a stone maybe? You’re theory I agree with but in practice is nonsense. Child benefit was originally introduced as a replacement for tax deductions if you were married and had children. It was not designed as a benefit for unemployed or low income people so it’s basic premise is flawed. The amount should reflect today’s real costs and personally I think after two births ( maybe twins on one) you don’t get any more allowance. So if you are on low income it’s your choice to fund another child not the taxpayer’s responsibility to step in. The root cause of all of this is education it’s that simple. If people can’t see beyond a limited existence they sometimes don’t try to better themselves as they don’t understand they can. Some benefits in this country are way to generous and others are way to stingy and not fit for purpose. I helped out at a junior school years ago and witnessed first hand how horrific some children’s home lives were. I was actually shocked this was happening so close to where I lived. So Rashford putting children first before the cost to the taxpayer is something I would totally support and to ask him to pay personally on top of his own tax ( his tax rate is 50%) is just churlish. By all means complain to the government about the system not working but being mean spirited to those children who do need help right now is beneath contempt. Hi. I assume you mean a tax rate of 45 % ( not 50 % ) . It was my understanding that the top rate is 45 % and that is also the rate quoted on the gov UK website . I stand corrected on the rate. So he pays his tax was my point which still stands. Therefore it’s his taxpayers money he is advocating spending don’t you agree! I do not disagree. However everyone pays taxes and what he is advocating is the expenditure of taxpayers money on a particular issue which the government have already taken steps to address . If his request was accompanied by a payment of a substantial sum from his salary towards the cause which he is promoting , it would have a lot more creditability . Many people take actions to help the less well off and these do not include simply wanting to spend tax payers money . Tesco work with foodbanks , Screwfix allow you to round up payments, many companies work with a wide variety of charities throughout the year to raise funds and churches put considerable effort into helping the less well off . In all of these cases there is a community spirit involved and no one involved in any of these schemes is expecting the tax payer payer to foot the cost. In the last month alone I think Tesco via their customers raised up to three million pounds to help charities. This is a commendable achievement by both Tescos and their customers . So his employer should be paying more . I totally agree. Man Utd off should definitely pay more like Tesco etc . Good on their customers too. Churches too are good but again hide their huge land portfolios from view. You don’t think those collection plates cover all the costs do you? Screwfix however can go and get fucked ! They are owned by B&Q who are then owned by kingfisher investments who in turn are largely owned by offshore investment vehicles such as Mondrian investments who’s tax registration is in London but actual banking is done in Panama hidden from view of HMRC So their paltry couple of million is dwarfed by how much they steel from us ! Rashford is a self made good guy who cares and doesn’t pretend to be smart. Your cynical view is why we let Boris and Co get away with taking the piss! This country is worth a shed load of money but it’s controlled by very very few people . Those people fund Boris so tell me again who should pay? " Hi. It would be interesting to know why you think that Kingfisher pay no tax. If you download a copy of their statutory accounts note number 9 breaks down the income tax expense. UK Corporation tax is disclosed as being £57 million in the year 2019 /20 and a prior year adjustment of £5 million making a total charge of £62 million. They also were charged £52 million in relation to overseas tax. This information is disclosed on page 134 of the statutory accounts along with the relevant comparative figures . There are also substantial tax losses to offset against some of these liabilities . See page 152 of the Statutory accounts . As Kingfisher are registered in the UK they also have no choice but to be fully compliant with all relevant tax legislation. It would be interesting to know why you think it is theft. There are 188 pages to the statutory accounts which anyone can download should they wish to check Kingfishers contribution to both the economy and charity. I note your point about the church collection plates . I would like to think that I have a fairly detailed knowledge as to how the church operates and all the great work that they do. In view of the many legacies left to the church I would expect them to have a significant land portfolio in addition to having substantial investments in stocks and shares . The income from these is used both to keep the churches running and to help those in need , all of which is admirable as a lot of the work is being undertaken by volunteers . | |||
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"Interestingly, no one has mentioned child benefit in this discussion . Currently it is £20.70 for the first child and £13.70 for any subsequent ones . In order to assess the scale of the problem referred to by the original poster , I costed up the cost of feeding a child for a day ( in the example it is a roast chicken dinner for mid day meal with all ingredients being cooked from scratch . ) The costings per child / person are as below Grapefruit ( half ) £0.25 Toast £0.10 Cereal £0.20 Milk £0.20 Roast chickn dinner with vegetable £1.00 Chocolate biscuit £0.15 Egg £0.15 Apple £0.15 Toast / Bread £0.10 Cake £0.25 Margarine £0.05 Cost per day £2.60 Cost per week £18.20 Maybe the issue which the footballer concerned should be addressing is why parents are not capable of cooking meals within a specified budget Which days do you chose for the second child to skip meals. Also we could bind their feet so they don’t need new shoes . Certainly only one set of clothes per month and wash them in a stream with a stone maybe? You’re theory I agree with but in practice is nonsense. Child benefit was originally introduced as a replacement for tax deductions if you were married and had children. It was not designed as a benefit for unemployed or low income people so it’s basic premise is flawed. The amount should reflect today’s real costs and personally I think after two births ( maybe twins on one) you don’t get any more allowance. So if you are on low income it’s your choice to fund another child not the taxpayer’s responsibility to step in. The root cause of all of this is education it’s that simple. If people can’t see beyond a limited existence they sometimes don’t try to better themselves as they don’t understand they can. Some benefits in this country are way to generous and others are way to stingy and not fit for purpose. I helped out at a junior school years ago and witnessed first hand how horrific some children’s home lives were. I was actually shocked this was happening so close to where I lived. So Rashford putting children first before the cost to the taxpayer is something I would totally support and to ask him to pay personally on top of his own tax ( his tax rate is 50%) is just churlish. By all means complain to the government about the system not working but being mean spirited to those children who do need help right now is beneath contempt. Hi. I assume you mean a tax rate of 45 % ( not 50 % ) . It was my understanding that the top rate is 45 % and that is also the rate quoted on the gov UK website . I stand corrected on the rate. So he pays his tax was my point which still stands. Therefore it’s his taxpayers money he is advocating spending don’t you agree! I do not disagree. However everyone pays taxes and what he is advocating is the expenditure of taxpayers money on a particular issue which the government have already taken steps to address . If his request was accompanied by a payment of a substantial sum from his salary towards the cause which he is promoting , it would have a lot more creditability . Many people take actions to help the less well off and these do not include simply wanting to spend tax payers money . Tesco work with foodbanks , Screwfix allow you to round up payments, many companies work with a wide variety of charities throughout the year to raise funds and churches put considerable effort into helping the less well off . In all of these cases there is a community spirit involved and no one involved in any of these schemes is expecting the tax payer payer to foot the cost. In the last month alone I think Tesco via their customers raised up to three million pounds to help charities. This is a commendable achievement by both Tescos and their customers . So his employer should be paying more . I totally agree. Man Utd off should definitely pay more like Tesco etc . Good on their customers too. Churches too are good but again hide their huge land portfolios from view. You don’t think those collection plates cover all the costs do you? Screwfix however can go and get fucked ! They are owned by B&Q who are then owned by kingfisher investments who in turn are largely owned by offshore investment vehicles such as Mondrian investments who’s tax registration is in London but actual banking is done in Panama hidden from view of HMRC So their paltry couple of million is dwarfed by how much they steel from us ! Rashford is a self made good guy who cares and doesn’t pretend to be smart. Your cynical view is why we let Boris and Co get away with taking the piss! This country is worth a shed load of money but it’s controlled by very very few people . Those people fund Boris so tell me again who should pay? Hi. It would be interesting to know why you think that Kingfisher pay no tax. If you download a copy of their statutory accounts note number 9 breaks down the income tax expense. UK Corporation tax is disclosed as being £57 million in the year 2019 /20 and a prior year adjustment of £5 million making a total charge of £62 million. They also were charged £52 million in relation to overseas tax. This information is disclosed on page 134 of the statutory accounts along with the relevant comparative figures . There are also substantial tax losses to offset against some of these liabilities . See page 152 of the Statutory accounts . As Kingfisher are registered in the UK they also have no choice but to be fully compliant with all relevant tax legislation. It would be interesting to know why you think it is theft. There are 188 pages to the statutory accounts which anyone can download should they wish to check Kingfishers contribution to both the economy and charity. I note your point about the church collection plates . I would like to think that I have a fairly detailed knowledge as to how the church operates and all the great work that they do. In view of the many legacies left to the church I would expect them to have a significant land portfolio in addition to having substantial investments in stocks and shares . The income from these is used both to keep the churches running and to help those in need , all of which is admirable as a lot of the work is being undertaken by volunteers . " Did I say kingfisher don’t pay tax? Your google search was wasted 
Of course they are compliant . Why would anyone buy shares in a company that is not legitimate ?
My comment on theft was aimed at their ultimate owners which I did not make clear in my sentence.
The shareholder benefit is far higher than Kingfisher profits.
The tax on share increases and dividends should be multiples of Kingfishers‘ tax payments .But sadly it isn’t!
Look upwards !!
Companies such as Mondrian and Black Rock make our economy look like a village shop. I have a fairly detailed knowledge of how these guys operate !
We are very naive in this country and actually believe we have clout as a nation.
Big companies control the cash and we’re just along for the ride .Who do you think lends our government the cash each month to keep us afloat and a clue it’s not cash converters !
Why would a hedge fund company fund Boris ? For charity ?
You’re educated research shows you are not that naive to believe such nonsense!
A lot of the churches historic land ownership etc was built on fear of death so not a good history but yes I agree they do good so no complaints .
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"Marcus rashford has called on the gmnt to provide 3 schools over chrimbo. 3 guesses what the response is?" When a government can spend 7 million on an uncessary rebrand of the Highways Agency, but not give free school meals, you can only laugh. | |||
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"There is an excellent letter published in the national press today which addresses the issues raised by the original poster . The author of the letter is from a family who were on low income during the 1960s and his parents always made the provision of good wholesome food for their offspring their number one priority . If families shop wisely and prioritise the essentials there should be simufficient to make hot meals during the holidays In those days there were no generous social benefits and the draconian National Assistance Board ( NAB) was in operation. His dad was once told by officious NAB officer that he wouuld have to sell his coat before he could receive assistance. The letter writer states that Universal Credit has already been enhanced to recognise the financial strain some families are experiencing because of the pandemic In his letter he also recognised that going back to the Government with the proverbial begging bowl like Oliver Twist is unsustainable. Hopefully this gentlemans letter reflects the opinions of a significant majority of people in the UK and not those who shout loudest . Having experienced poverty first hand can only add to the creditability of his letter .." Mhm an article trying to thrust blame onto the desperate and impoverished. Bet it's in the Daily Mail. Go on then. Which paper is it in? | |||
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"I’m in two minds about this. Why should Schools have to do it? And why are kids going hungry that they have to rely on School meals. Surely tackling the route cause would be better. It’s staggering a child should go hungry in this day and age. I have experience sadly of real hunger. The route cause is poverty and inequality. It would take something substantial to challenge that." Nothing is going to change, though, because we do not have the power to change the rulers of this country held views. The only thing we can do is vote people out. | |||
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"There is an excellent letter published in the national press today which addresses the issues raised by the original poster . The author of the letter is from a family who were on low income during the 1960s and his parents always made the provision of good wholesome food for their offspring their number one priority . If families shop wisely and prioritise the essentials there should be simufficient to make hot meals during the holidays In those days there were no generous social benefits and the draconian National Assistance Board ( NAB) was in operation. His dad was once told by officious NAB officer that he wouuld have to sell his coat before he could receive assistance. The letter writer states that Universal Credit has already been enhanced to recognise the financial strain some families are experiencing because of the pandemic In his letter he also recognised that going back to the Government with the proverbial begging bowl like Oliver Twist is unsustainable. Hopefully this gentlemans letter reflects the opinions of a significant majority of people in the UK and not those who shout loudest . Having experienced poverty first hand can only add to the creditability of his letter .." I’m sure most people agree something shouldn't just be given without making sure they are trying as in selling their coats. Thank fully we don’t have too many arseholes like that in the civil service today. Benefits should be a net not a lifestyle. Credibility having experienced poverty I agree with, also just like Rashford which makes his words and aims all the more powerful. Thai government have given out £33m to non existent ferry operators and £250m in contracts to associates to provide PPE for such things as face masks. The cost equates to £3 a mask, far far more expense that is the market rate. God knows what they paid for the buckets!! So if a child is going hungry whether it’s their parents fault or not ( they can’t help who their parents are) I think I’d rather my money be spent on the child as opposed to the cronies of this government. | |||
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"There is an excellent letter published in the national press today which addresses the issues raised by the original poster . The author of the letter is from a family who were on low income during the 1960s and his parents always made the provision of good wholesome food for their offspring their number one priority . If families shop wisely and prioritise the essentials there should be simufficient to make hot meals during the holidays In those days there were no generous social benefits and the draconian National Assistance Board ( NAB) was in operation. His dad was once told by officious NAB officer that he wouuld have to sell his coat before he could receive assistance. The letter writer states that Universal Credit has already been enhanced to recognise the financial strain some families are experiencing because of the pandemic In his letter he also recognised that going back to the Government with the proverbial begging bowl like Oliver Twist is unsustainable. Hopefully this gentlemans letter reflects the opinions of a significant majority of people in the UK and not those who shout loudest . Having experienced poverty first hand can only add to the creditability of his letter .." I didnt know you read the guardian | |||
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"There is an excellent letter published in the national press today which addresses the issues raised by the original poster . The author of the letter is from a family who were on low income during the 1960s and his parents always made the provision of good wholesome food for their offspring their number one priority . If families shop wisely and prioritise the essentials there should be simufficient to make hot meals during the holidays In those days there were no generous social benefits and the draconian National Assistance Board ( NAB) was in operation. His dad was once told by officious NAB officer that he wouuld have to sell his coat before he could receive assistance. The letter writer states that Universal Credit has already been enhanced to recognise the financial strain some families are experiencing because of the pandemic In his letter he also recognised that going back to the Government with the proverbial begging bowl like Oliver Twist is unsustainable. Hopefully this gentlemans letter reflects the opinions of a significant majority of people in the UK and not those who shout loudest . Having experienced poverty first hand can only add to the creditability of his letter .." Go and have a read as to why this is a personal campaign to rashford.... because he was “that kid” that if it were not for free school meals then he would have gone hungry...... He doesn’t wish that upon anyone else...because he lived it... That’s why companies like the co-op are helping him and working with him, and in the grand scheme of things it would not take the most money in the world to fund.... | |||
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"MPs have rejected Labour's motion on Marcus Rashford plan for free school meals, by 322 votes to 261 to be fair, and i want to give credit, to the 5 conservative mp's that broke ranks and voted with the labour motion... Robert Halfon, Caroline Ansell, Anne Marie Morris, Holly Mumby-Croft and Jason McCartney... I salute you the rest of you..... well my contempt for you has grown!" I don't think schools are the best way to tackle child hunger. The longer the core issue is not dealt with poperly the longer we will continue to have these flash points. | |||
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"MPs have rejected Labour's motion on Marcus Rashford plan for free school meals, by 322 votes to 261 to be fair, and i want to give credit, to the 5 conservative mp's that broke ranks and voted with the labour motion... Robert Halfon, Caroline Ansell, Anne Marie Morris, Holly Mumby-Croft and Jason McCartney... I salute you the rest of you..... well my contempt for you has grown! I don't think schools are the best way to tackle child hunger. The longer the core issue is not dealt with poperly the longer we will continue to have these flash points." Pretty sure if you tell a hungry child don't feel to bad the people in suits are going to talk about how we stop young people like you feeling hungry.. Poverty is a cruelty, it holds back people and reduces their achievements which in turn often leads to the cycle beginning again.. | |||
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"MPs have rejected Labour's motion on Marcus Rashford plan for free school meals, by 322 votes to 261 to be fair, and i want to give credit, to the 5 conservative mp's that broke ranks and voted with the labour motion... Robert Halfon, Caroline Ansell, Anne Marie Morris, Holly Mumby-Croft and Jason McCartney... I salute you the rest of you..... well my contempt for you has grown! I don't think schools are the best way to tackle child hunger. The longer the core issue is not dealt with poperly the longer we will continue to have these flash points." Well I'm sure the conservatives party will treat It as a high priority and do everything in their power to address the root causes of the issue. | |||
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"MPs have rejected Labour's motion on Marcus Rashford plan for free school meals, by 322 votes to 261 to be fair, and i want to give credit, to the 5 conservative mp's that broke ranks and voted with the labour motion... Robert Halfon, Caroline Ansell, Anne Marie Morris, Holly Mumby-Croft and Jason McCartney... I salute you the rest of you..... well my contempt for you has grown! I don't think schools are the best way to tackle child hunger. The longer the core issue is not dealt with poperly the longer we will continue to have these flash points." but at least you knew at school the children would get at least 1 good meal a day..... especially in these time with the new furlough schemes not paying as much as the current one! well they have decided to continue on with the scheme in wales, scotland and northern ireland under those administrations..... it just in england where this now will end... so let me ask you a question.... which side in your opinion has the right argument... westminster or the devolved administrations? | |||
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"MPs have rejected Labour's motion on Marcus Rashford plan for free school meals, by 322 votes to 261 to be fair, and i want to give credit, to the 5 conservative mp's that broke ranks and voted with the labour motion... Robert Halfon, Caroline Ansell, Anne Marie Morris, Holly Mumby-Croft and Jason McCartney... I salute you the rest of you..... well my contempt for you has grown! I don't think schools are the best way to tackle child hunger. The longer the core issue is not dealt with poperly the longer we will continue to have these flash points. but at least you knew at school the children would get at least 1 good meal a day..... especially in these time with the new furlough schemes not paying as much as the current one! well they have decided to continue on with the scheme in wales, scotland and northern ireland under those administrations..... it just in england where this now will end... so let me ask you a question.... which side in your opinion has the right argument... westminster or the devolved administrations?" I just don't think this method of delivering support is adequate to deal with the issue - its a sticking plaster. I would like to see a more permanent structured approach that will have a lasting effect, and one that takes the responsibility away from schools. | |||
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