FabSwingers.com forum: Tory voters

By *elshyXO OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?"
Well judging by the sad performance of Labour never.

There is a saying the government is only as good as the oposition

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?Well judging by the sad performance of Labour never.

There is a saying the government is only as good as the oposition"

Emma, do you realise the Tories are the ones who have been in power for a decade? As such, they're the ones who are fucking things up for us all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

There is a saying the government is only as good as the oposition"

No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot - Mark Twain.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

There is a saying the government is only as good as the oposition"

So according the your saying, Labour are in charge. Glad to hear that I won in the last election.

I’ve read some cretinous things here over the years, however this post as to be the most stupid of the lot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

There is a saying the government is only as good as the oposition

So according the your saying, Labour are in charge. Glad to hear that I won in the last election.

I’ve read some cretinous things here over the years, however this post as to be the most stupid of the lot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But, but ... Gordon Brown bankrupted the country ... and Jeremy Corbyn would have been much worse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

There is a saying the government is only as good as the oposition"

When people are unable to even imagine a better society and a better situation for themselves. You know that the Tory party propaganda has been utterly successful.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

"But, but ... Gordon Brown bankrupted the country ... and Jeremy Corbyn would have been much worse.

And Sadiq Khan is making a terrible job of being Mayor.

Then there was Diane Abbott's car crash interviews and the Anit Semitic scandals in the party.

I didn't vote Tory but I couldn't justify voting Labour either. So I just wrote "None of the Below" on the voting slip.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"But, but ... Gordon Brown bankrupted the country ... and Jeremy Corbyn would have been much worse.

And Sadiq Khan is making a terrible job of being Mayor.

Then there was Diane Abbott's car crash interviews and the Anit Semitic scandals in the party.

I didn't vote Tory but I couldn't justify voting Labour either. So I just wrote "None of the Below" on the voting slip."

I shouldn't bite.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But, but ... Gordon Brown bankrupted the country ... and Jeremy Corbyn would have been much worse.

And Sadiq Khan is making a terrible job of being Mayor.

Then there was Diane Abbott's car crash interviews and the Anit Semitic scandals in the party.

I didn't vote Tory but I couldn't justify voting Labour either. So I just wrote "None of the Below" on the voting slip."

Lol, the last I heard, neither Diane Abbot nor Sadiq Khan were running the country, but thanks for confirming the predicted whataboutary.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?"

When it comes to voting you look at the choices in front of you and decide who you think would be better.

With an 80 seat Conservative majority and Labours worst result since the 1930's it would appear a lot of people just didn't want what Labour had to offer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

When it comes to voting you look at the choices in front of you and decide who you think would be better.

With an 80 seat Conservative majority and Labours worst result since the 1930's it would appear a lot of people just didn't want what Labour had to offer."

That doesn't answer the question though does it.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

When it comes to voting you look at the choices in front of you and decide who you think would be better.

With an 80 seat Conservative majority and Labours worst result since the 1930's it would appear a lot of people just didn't want what Labour had to offer."

You’re right. People wanted a party that prorogued parliament illegally, a pm who lied to the queen, a party that would top the table of Covid deaths, a gvt that keeps making u turns, a gvt that grants contracts without tender, a pm who is the mouthpiece of an unelected democrat and a gvt that talks up the U.K. all the time but who fails in every world beating thing they attempt. Life’s great with this conservative gvt.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

Meant unelected technocrat.

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By *elshyXO OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

There is a saying the government is only as good as the oposition"

I think we can safely say that such a notion is nothing short of a fallacy when the current government are propped up by media conglomerates who write the script for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

When it comes to voting you look at the choices in front of you and decide who you think would be better.

With an 80 seat Conservative majority and Labours worst result since the 1930's it would appear a lot of people just didn't want what Labour had to offer.

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what a load a bollocks nobody who voted for the current government would have wanted any of the things you have listed. Why would anybody vote a party to top the covid death lists???, pathetic.

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By *elshyXO OP Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

When it comes to voting you look at the choices in front of you and decide who you think would be better.

With an 80 seat Conservative majority and Labours worst result since the 1930's it would appear a lot of people just didn't want what Labour had to offer."

Or were the people persauded by one over riding factor based on mass misinformation? I know life long Labour voters who voted Tory on one single, over riding policy - yet not a single one could tell me how ultimately it was an achievable goal with the caveat of us not ending up worse off

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

When it comes to voting you look at the choices in front of you and decide who you think would be better.

With an 80 seat Conservative majority and Labours worst result since the 1930's it would appear a lot of people just didn't want what Labour had to offer.

I have literally not 1 iota of sympathy for them.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

When it comes to voting you look at the choices in front of you and decide who you think would be better.

With an 80 seat Conservative majority and Labours worst result since the 1930's it would appear a lot of people just didn't want what Labour had to offer.

what a load a bollocks nobody who voted for the current government would have wanted any of the things you have listed. Why would anybody vote a party to top the covid death lists???, pathetic. "

Pathetic outcome yes, as that’s what they got for voting with these clowns. Have you heard of irony?

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

When it comes to voting you look at the choices in front of you and decide who you think would be better.

With an 80 seat Conservative majority and Labours worst result since the 1930's it would appear a lot of people just didn't want what Labour had to offer.

Ok just keep thinking that way up to the next GE. Maybe Labour can go for 5 defeats in a row.!

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

When it comes to voting you look at the choices in front of you and decide who you think would be better.

With an 80 seat Conservative majority and Labours worst result since the 1930's it would appear a lot of people just didn't want what Labour had to offer.

Ok just keep thinking that way up to the next GE. Maybe Labour can go for 5 defeats in a row.!"

The know it all has spoken. I don’t think the Labour Party need your expertise. Try to make sense of the shit-show your rockstar is unveiling every week and let the Labour Party heal. They’re already looking in a better shape than eight months ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

When it comes to voting you look at the choices in front of you and decide who you think would be better.

With an 80 seat Conservative majority and Labours worst result since the 1930's it would appear a lot of people just didn't want what Labour had to offer.

what a load a bollocks nobody who voted for the current government would have wanted any of the things you have listed. Why would anybody vote a party to top the covid death lists???, pathetic. "

In fairness, people who vote for these kind of people continuously remind us "we knew what we voted for".

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

When it comes to voting you look at the choices in front of you and decide who you think would be better.

With an 80 seat Conservative majority and Labours worst result since the 1930's it would appear a lot of people just didn't want what Labour had to offer.

what a load a bollocks nobody who voted for the current government would have wanted any of the things you have listed. Why would anybody vote a party to top the covid death lists???, pathetic.

In fairness, people who vote for these kind of people continuously remind us "we knew what we voted for"."

Where did you fish that one?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

When it comes to voting you look at the choices in front of you and decide who you think would be better.

With an 80 seat Conservative majority and Labours worst result since the 1930's it would appear a lot of people just didn't want what Labour had to offer.

Ok just keep thinking that way up to the next GE. Maybe Labour can go for 5 defeats in a row.!"

Well, it is possible of course, but to get to the next election the Tories have to negotiate not only this pandemic, but Brexit as well. They'd better start pulling their socks up before long, because on their current performance they'll be lucky to beat the Lib Dems.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

When it comes to voting you look at the choices in front of you and decide who you think would be better.

With an 80 seat Conservative majority and Labours worst result since the 1930's it would appear a lot of people just didn't want what Labour had to offer.

Ok just keep thinking that way up to the next GE. Maybe Labour can go for 5 defeats in a row.!

Oh no imagime that, Lib Dems win, next Conservative then Green and then Labour!

Guess the tuition fees will go up again then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

When it comes to voting you look at the choices in front of you and decide who you think would be better.

With an 80 seat Conservative majority and Labours worst result since the 1930's it would appear a lot of people just didn't want what Labour had to offer.

Ok just keep thinking that way up to the next GE. Maybe Labour can go for 5 defeats in a row.!

Oh no imagime that, Lib Dems win, next Conservative then Green and then Labour!

Guess the tuition fees will go up again then.

Dream on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

When it comes to voting you look at the choices in front of you and decide who you think would be better.

With an 80 seat Conservative majority and Labours worst result since the 1930's it would appear a lot of people just didn't want what Labour had to offer.

what a load a bollocks nobody who voted for the current government would have wanted any of the things you have listed. Why would anybody vote a party to top the covid death lists???, pathetic.

In fairness, people who vote for these kind of people continuously remind us "we knew what we voted for".

Where did you fish that one? "

I dunno what you mean. But Tory and Brexit voter always say "we knew what we voted for" no matter what.

This chap was suggesting that people voting Conservative. Some how expected the Tories to give half a flying fuck about anyone but themselves.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

There is a saying the government is only as good as the oposition

Emma, do you realise the Tories are the ones who have been in power for a decade? As such, they're the ones who are fucking things up for us all."
Do you ask yourself why?Most people have improved there lives in recent years,more overseas holidays more new cars on the road etc.

The oposition fail to inspire the voters this is a fact

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

There is a saying the government is only as good as the oposition

Emma, do you realise the Tories are the ones who have been in power for a decade? As such, they're the ones who are fucking things up for us all.Do you ask yourself why?Most people have improved there lives in recent years,more overseas holidays more new cars on the road etc.

The oposition fail to inspire the voters this is a fact"

Do you live in a dream world?

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By *eneral HysteriaMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

"...

There is a saying the government is only as good as the oposition"

Is there? Really?

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

There is a saying the government is only as good as the oposition

The oposition fail to inspire the voters this is a fact"

Actually I disagree, the opposition inspired the voters to vote for a different party.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

There is a saying the government is only as good as the oposition

The oposition fail to inspire the voters this is a fact"

Equally Emma what has the rise in food banks been in that same time?

Judging any economy on one element alone is something economists or those setting social policy tend not to do..

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

There is a saying the government is only as good as the oposition

The oposition fail to inspire the voters this is a fact

Actually I disagree, the opposition inspired the voters to vote for a different party.

Its estimated under the new universal benefits system they are going to he roughly a grand worse off a year.

So that worked out well for them.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

"But, but ... Gordon Brown bankrupted the country ... and Jeremy Corbyn would have been much worse.

And Sadiq Khan is making a terrible job of being Mayor.

Then there was Diane Abbott's car crash interviews and the Anit Semitic scandals in the party.

I didn't vote Tory but I couldn't justify voting Labour either. So I just wrote "None of the Below" on the voting slip.

Lol, the last I heard, neither Diane Abbot nor Sadiq Khan were running the country, but thanks for confirming the predicted whataboutary.

Obviously not. But as you know you don't vote for the Prime Minister you vote for your local MP. And as you also know the PM doesn't run the country single handed, so as representatives of the potential government at the time they were less than impressive.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"But, but ... Gordon Brown bankrupted the country ... and Jeremy Corbyn would have been much worse.

And Sadiq Khan is making a terrible job of being Mayor.

Then there was Diane Abbott's car crash interviews and the Anit Semitic scandals in the party.

I didn't vote Tory but I couldn't justify voting Labour either. So I just wrote "None of the Below" on the voting slip.

Lol, the last I heard, neither Diane Abbot nor Sadiq Khan were running the country, but thanks for confirming the predicted whataboutary.

Grayling

Patel

Gove

Reece mogg

That crackpot from the erg (francois)who seems to have gone quiet recently

Hancock

Javed

Mcvey

Truss

Liam fox

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"But, but ... Gordon Brown bankrupted the country ... and Jeremy Corbyn would have been much worse.

And Sadiq Khan is making a terrible job of being Mayor.

Then there was Diane Abbott's car crash interviews and the Anit Semitic scandals in the party.

I didn't vote Tory but I couldn't justify voting Labour either. So I just wrote "None of the Below" on the voting slip.

Lol, the last I heard, neither Diane Abbot nor Sadiq Khan were running the country, but thanks for confirming the predicted whataboutary.

Grayling

Patel

Gove

Reece mogg

That crackpot from the erg (francois)who seems to have gone quiet recently

Hancock

Javed

Mcvey

Truss

Liam fox

Did any of those people go out wearing two left shoes?

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

"But, but ... Gordon Brown bankrupted the country ... and Jeremy Corbyn would have been much worse.

And Sadiq Khan is making a terrible job of being Mayor.

Then there was Diane Abbott's car crash interviews and the Anit Semitic scandals in the party.

I didn't vote Tory but I couldn't justify voting Labour either. So I just wrote "None of the Below" on the voting slip.

Lol, the last I heard, neither Diane Abbot nor Sadiq Khan were running the country, but thanks for confirming the predicted whataboutary.

Grayling

Patel

Gove

Reece mogg

That crackpot from the erg (francois)who seems to have gone quiet recently

Hancock

Javed

Mcvey

Truss

Liam fox

Yeah, we ain't spoilt for choice are we?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

There is a saying the government is only as good as the oposition

The oposition fail to inspire the voters this is a fact"

Most people have immproved their lives, have they? Apart from the increasing numbers driven to use food banks. And apart from the increased number who have ended up homeless. And, lest we forget, apart from the tens of thousands who ended up dead from covid. And apart from pretty much everybody, actually.

According to the Institute for Fiscal Studies in 2020:

"The COVID-19 crisis hit at a time when income growth had already been extremely disappointing for some years. Median (middle) household income was essentially the same in 2018-19 (the latest data) as in 2015-16. This stalling itself came after only a short-lived recovery from the Great Recession. The combined effect had been a decade of unprecedented poor improvements in living standards, with average income before housing costs having grown less than over any other 10-year period since records began in 1961."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But, but ... Gordon Brown bankrupted the country ... and Jeremy Corbyn would have been much worse.

And Sadiq Khan is making a terrible job of being Mayor.

Then there was Diane Abbott's car crash interviews and the Anit Semitic scandals in the party.

I didn't vote Tory but I couldn't justify voting Labour either. So I just wrote "None of the Below" on the voting slip.

Lol, the last I heard, neither Diane Abbot nor Sadiq Khan were running the country, but thanks for confirming the predicted whataboutary.

Grayling

Patel

Gove

Reece mogg

That crackpot from the erg (francois)who seems to have gone quiet recently

Hancock

Javed

Mcvey

Truss

Liam fox

Did any of those people go out wearing two left shoes?"

Who knows. But between them, they're homophobic, incompetent, self serving and or horrific human beings.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"But, but ... Gordon Brown bankrupted the country ... and Jeremy Corbyn would have been much worse.

And Sadiq Khan is making a terrible job of being Mayor.

Then there was Diane Abbott's car crash interviews and the Anit Semitic scandals in the party.

I didn't vote Tory but I couldn't justify voting Labour either. So I just wrote "None of the Below" on the voting slip.

Lol, the last I heard, neither Diane Abbot nor Sadiq Khan were running the country, but thanks for confirming the predicted whataboutary.

Grayling

Patel

Gove

Reece mogg

That crackpot from the erg (francois)who seems to have gone quiet recently

Hancock

Javed

Mcvey

Truss

Liam fox

Did any of those people go out wearing two left shoes?"

No they have just made ourvs career out of utter incompetence and wasting millions of pounds

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah good old fashioned two party politics.

Don't like what one party offers so the other gets a majority.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ah good old fashioned two party politics.

Don't like what one party offers so the other gets a majority.

Tbh, I don’t like what the Tory party stands for but they used to have MPs with honesty and integrity, the current government are the most incompetent bunch of lying grifters I have ever seen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

There is a saying the government is only as good as the oposition"

I have never heard that saying, did you hear it in a dream

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By *andm288Couple
over a year ago

oxford

To be fair in my opinion

Considering the crisis that has engulfed the world I don’t think Boris and his government are doing a good job

I bet you weren’t shouting and slagging him off when you were paid to sit at home via furlough or grants

If anyone thinks they can do better ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be fair in my opinion

Considering the crisis that has engulfed the world I don’t think Boris and his government are doing a good job

I bet you weren’t shouting and slagging him off when you were paid to sit at home via furlough or grants

If anyone thinks they can do better ?

Pretty much every other world leader, maybe aside from one or two, have done better.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"To be fair in my opinion

Considering the crisis that has engulfed the world I don’t think Boris and his government are doing a good job

I bet you weren’t shouting and slagging him off when you were paid to sit at home via furlough or grants

If anyone thinks they can do better ?

Missing saga meetings

Inititially taking it on The chin approach.

Ppi scandal

Contracts corruption.

Slow lock down

Track and trace cock up.

Its actually difficult to find of anyone who could have handled it worse.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"To be fair in my opinion

Considering the crisis that has engulfed the world I don’t think Boris and his government are doing a good job

I bet you weren’t shouting and slagging him off when you were paid to sit at home via furlough or grants

If anyone thinks they can do better ?

Pretty much every other world leader, maybe aside from one or two, have done better."
You obviously dont get any news from other countries.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"To be fair in my opinion

Considering the crisis that has engulfed the world I don’t think Boris and his government are doing a good job

I bet you weren’t shouting and slagging him off when you were paid to sit at home via furlough or grants

If anyone thinks they can do better ?

Missing saga meetings

Inititially taking it on The chin approach.

Ppi scandal

Contracts corruption.

Slow lock down

Track and trace cock up.

Its actually difficult to find of anyone who could have handled it worse."

Well at least you must be happy now Liverpool is going into lock down again before most of the counrty?

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?"

I don't remember there being any other options?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"To be fair in my opinion

Considering the crisis that has engulfed the world I don’t think Boris and his government are doing a good job

I bet you weren’t shouting and slagging him off when you were paid to sit at home via furlough or grants

If anyone thinks they can do better ?

Missing saga meetings

Inititially taking it on The chin approach.

Ppi scandal

Contracts corruption.

Slow lock down

Track and trace cock up.

Its actually difficult to find of anyone who could have handled it worse.

Well at least you must be happy now Liverpool is going into lock down again before most of the counrty?"

Aye

Liverpool leading the way as always

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

I don't remember there being any other options?"

Maybe you should learn to read?

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over a year ago

There are far too many people in this country who still subconsciously think that the toffs should be running the show and that it’s natural for them to be in charge.

They won’t admit it of course, they may not even know it because they lack the requisite self awareness but ‘they know their place’, to paraphrase Ronnie Corbett.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"There are far too many people in this country who still subconsciously think that the toffs should be running the show and that it’s natural for them to be in charge.

They won’t admit it of course, they may not even know it because they lack the requisite self awareness but ‘they know their place’, to paraphrase Ronnie Corbett."

We have a national deference in this country..we havent progressed from serfdom.

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

I don't remember there being any other options?

Maybe you should learn to read?"

I can read perfectly well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be fair in my opinion

Considering the crisis that has engulfed the world I don’t think Boris and his government are doing a good job

I bet you weren’t shouting and slagging him off when you were paid to sit at home via furlough or grants

If anyone thinks they can do better ?

Pretty much every other world leader, maybe aside from one or two, have done better.You obviously dont get any news from other countries."

Brazil and the states handled it worse. Otherwise every other country seems to be more organised, have a clearer plan, have less corruption, have less infections and deaths.

By what measures would you suggest that the Conservatives have excelled in their handling of the situation?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

I don't remember there being any other options?

Maybe you should learn to read?

I can read perfectly well"

Then did you notice the list of candidates?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

I don't remember there being any other options?

Maybe you should learn to read?

I can read perfectly well"

Then perhaps comprehension is the issue?

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

I don't remember there being any other options?

Maybe you should learn to read?

I can read perfectly well

Then did you notice the list of candidates?"

of course

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are far too many people in this country who still subconsciously think that the toffs should be running the show and that it’s natural for them to be in charge.

They won’t admit it of course, they may not even know it because they lack the requisite self awareness but ‘they know their place’, to paraphrase Ronnie Corbett.

We have a national deference in this country..we havent progressed from serfdom."

It’s quite tragic, you get all the libertarians talking about their freedom being taken away who then go and vote for the posh boys who are in hock to massive global corporations.

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

I don't remember there being any other options?

Maybe you should learn to read?

I can read perfectly well

Then perhaps comprehension is the issue?"

nope

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"There are far too many people in this country who still subconsciously think that the toffs should be running the show and that it’s natural for them to be in charge.

They won’t admit it of course, they may not even know it because they lack the requisite self awareness but ‘they know their place’, to paraphrase Ronnie Corbett.

We have a national deference in this country..we havent progressed from serfdom.

It’s quite tragic, you get all the libertarians talking about their freedom being taken away who then go and vote for the posh boys who are in hock to massive global corporations."

Its bred into us.

Look at how we treat the royal family.

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach

"Ah good old fashioned two party politics.

Don't like what one party offers so the other gets a majority.

Tbh, I don’t like what the Tory party stands for but they used to have MPs with honesty and integrity, the current government are the most incompetent bunch of lying grifters I have ever seen.

I agree 100%. But I am not going to just point at the Torys here. I think the standard of political debate/engagement/leadership has diminished across the board.

Politics has become a career, with a conveyor of people working as researchers etc. then working through the system to become candidates, being parachuted into constituencies for which they have no feel.

They seem to be out for themselves and do not truly work for the people they are representing.

As I said this is on all sides. Labour used to recruit from the Unions, people that had life and work experience in the regions. The Torys used to recruit from different groups! But there was a feeling that they had experience of where they lived and the people there.

All of the above seems to be missing in today's parties. It's only campaigning parties like the Greens and UKIP (as much as I am not a fan) that seem to maintain that local connection...

Our democracy needs a huge overhaul, our voting mechanism, the House of Lords, etc. etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are far too many people in this country who still subconsciously think that the toffs should be running the show and that it’s natural for them to be in charge.

They won’t admit it of course, they may not even know it because they lack the requisite self awareness but ‘they know their place’, to paraphrase Ronnie Corbett.

We have a national deference in this country..we havent progressed from serfdom.

It’s quite tragic, you get all the libertarians talking about their freedom being taken away who then go and vote for the posh boys who are in hock to massive global corporations.

Its bred into us.

Look at how we treat the royal family."

Gawd bless ‘em guvnor.

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

There is a saying the government is only as good as the oposition

Emma, do you realise the Tories are the ones who have been in power for a decade? As such, they're the ones who are fucking things up for us all."

Beat me to it.

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

"Ah good old fashioned two party politics.

Don't like what one party offers so the other gets a majority.

Tbh, I don’t like what the Tory party stands for but they used to have MPs with honesty and integrity, the current government are the most incompetent bunch of lying grifters I have ever seen.

I agree 100%. But I am not going to just point at the Torys here. I think the standard of political debate/engagement/leadership has diminished across the board.

They seem to be out for themselves and do not truly work for the people they are representing.

All of the above seems to be missing in today's parties. It's only campaigning parties like the Greens and UKIP (as much as I am not a fan) that seem to maintain that local connection...

Our democracy needs a huge overhaul, our voting mechanism, the House of Lords, etc. etc."

Definitely!

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By *omino51Man
over a year ago

loughborough

Saw the videos of the parties going on in Liverpool when its in code red. No political party can stop morons.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Saw the videos of the parties going on in Liverpool when its in code red. No political party can stop morons. "

How does that relate to tory voters?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

There is a saying the government is only as good as the oposition

The oposition fail to inspire the voters this is a fact

Do you live in a dream world?"
No you do

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Saw the videos of the parties going on in Liverpool when its in code red. No political party can stop morons. "
They cannuse army tear gas them lock them up strong government.

All the political parties are soft not fit to govern

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By *omino51Man
over a year ago

loughborough

"Saw the videos of the parties going on in Liverpool when its in code red. No political party can stop morons. "
doesnt mater who you vote for, if folk dont follow the rules donald duck might as well be primeminster.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Saw the videos of the parties going on in Liverpool when its in code red. No political party can stop morons. doesnt mater who you vote for, if folk dont follow the rules donald duck might as well be primeminster. "

I think he is

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By *omino51Man
over a year ago

loughborough

I think he is

"
we all have our own opinions i guess. But 99.99% havent got the ability to run a country although most think they can.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I think he is

we all have our own opinions i guess. But 99.99% havent got the ability to run a country although most think they can. "

Do they?

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By *omino51Man
over a year ago

loughborough

I think he is

we all have our own opinions i guess. But 99.99% havent got the ability to run a country although most think they can.

Do they?"
i will leave you to it. Enjoy the party.

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"Saw the videos of the parties going on in Liverpool when its in code red. No political party can stop morons. "

an Apache helicopter could have done a good job last night

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Saw the videos of the parties going on in Liverpool when its in code red. No political party can stop morons.

an Apache helicopter could have done a good job last night"

Being shot from a helicopter for not adhering to lockdown rules seems a little harsh.

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"Saw the videos of the parties going on in Liverpool when its in code red. No political party can stop morons.

an Apache helicopter could have done a good job last night

Being shot from a helicopter for not adhering to lockdown rules seems a little harsh."

not in my book

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Saw the videos of the parties going on in Liverpool when its in code red. No political party can stop morons.

an Apache helicopter could have done a good job last night

Being shot from a helicopter for not adhering to lockdown rules seems a little harsh.

not in my book"

Fair enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Saw the videos of the parties going on in Liverpool when its in code red. No political party can stop morons. They cannuse army tear gas them lock them up strong government.

All the political parties are soft not fit to govern"

Ah yes, use a chemical weapon banned for military use for crowd control.

Just like that lovely gent in Belarus is.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

And people sigh right wingers are not blessed with intelligece

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"And people sigh right wingers are not blessed with intelligece"

*intelligence

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"And people sigh right wingers are not blessed with intelligece

*intelligence "

Well done.

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"And people sigh right wingers are not blessed with intelligece

*intelligence

Well done."

no problem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sadly we no longer live in a society that votes for policy. We vote for personality and slogans. Labour may have lost the last election because of Corbyn but the Tories won because of three simple words.

Get. Brexit. Done.

Dominic Cummings does love a three word slogan.

Lest we forget Take Back Control. Or ‘Hands. Face. Space.’ Until we start focusing on policy over popularity we’re just going to ricochet from one shit government to another.

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By *ssexbloke72Man
over a year ago

Poplar

"Sadly we no longer live in a society that votes for policy. We vote for personality and slogans. Labour may have lost the last election because of Corbyn but the Tories won because of three simple words.

Get. Brexit. Done.

Dominic Cummings does love a three word slogan.

Lest we forget Take Back Control. Or ‘Hands. Face. Space.’ Until we start focusing on policy over popularity we’re just going to ricochet from one shit government to another. "

To be fair though Corbyn's policies were sh*t as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Get. Brexit. Done.

Dominic Cummings does love a three word slogan.

Lest we forget Take Back Control. Or ‘Hands. Face. Space.’ Until we start focusing on policy over popularity we’re just going to ricochet from one shit government to another.

To be fair though Corbyn's policies were sh*t as well."

What exactly was shit?

Don't give all the money in the country to big corporations and people who went to Eton. And try to help ordinary people for a change?

Sounds awful.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Get. Brexit. Done.

Dominic Cummings does love a three word slogan.

Lest we forget Take Back Control. Or ‘Hands. Face. Space.’ Until we start focusing on policy over popularity we’re just going to ricochet from one shit government to another.

To be fair though Corbyn's policies were sh*t as well.

What exactly was shit?

Don't give all the money in the country to big corporations and people who went to Eton. And try to help ordinary people for a change?

Sounds awful."
I think what done it for corbyn was if we win the election we will respect the ppls vote then hold another referendum and campaign to remain that pissed of the labour leave voters which were the majority in his party

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Get. Brexit. Done.

Dominic Cummings does love a three word slogan.

Lest we forget Take Back Control. Or ‘Hands. Face. Space.’ Until we start focusing on policy over popularity we’re just going to ricochet from one shit government to another.

To be fair though Corbyn's policies were sh*t as well."

Which ones?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader. "

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?"

I sort respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?"
However most people judge a government on its successes and not on a few mistakes . Ironically those who criticise the government can never provide any evidence that they themselves could have done any better ( they may ever have made things a lot worse ).

The views that matter are probsbly that of the silent minority , not those who constantly choose to criticise the current governments performance in very difficult circumstances.

Last Decembers election was a reality check for many. The great news is that when it comes to voting , everyone is treated equally. The actual result is self explanatory.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

Politicians have never had good press and people have always had reservations about governments , politicians etc...

However with Johnson and his flock, we have hit rockbottom in terms of integrity, trust, honesty, transparency and decency.

Even people voting Tory surely realise that this lot are just a bunch of slimey and untrustworthy individuals with no morale.

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By *ssexbloke72Man
over a year ago

Poplar

Get. Brexit. Done.

Dominic Cummings does love a three word slogan.

Lest we forget Take Back Control. Or ‘Hands. Face. Space.’ Until we start focusing on policy over popularity we’re just going to ricochet from one shit government to another.

To be fair though Corbyn's policies were sh*t as well.

Which ones?"

You will only disagree with what I say so no point in posting.

So be content with the fact not enough people thought what he had to offer was acceptable.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Get. Brexit. Done.

Dominic Cummings does love a three word slogan.

Lest we forget Take Back Control. Or ‘Hands. Face. Space.’ Until we start focusing on policy over popularity we’re just going to ricochet from one shit government to another.

To be fair though Corbyn's policies were sh*t as well.

Which ones?

You will only disagree with what I say so no point in posting.

So be content with the fact not enough people thought what he had to offer was acceptable."

So you dont know?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all. "

Why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Get. Brexit. Done.

Dominic Cummings does love a three word slogan.

Lest we forget Take Back Control. Or ‘Hands. Face. Space.’ Until we start focusing on policy over popularity we’re just going to ricochet from one shit government to another.

To be fair though Corbyn's policies were sh*t as well.

Which ones?

You will only disagree with what I say so no point in posting.

So be content with the fact not enough people thought what he had to offer was acceptable.

So you dont know?"

It’s almost as if it wasn’t the policies that were the problem for someone.

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By *ssexbloke72Man
over a year ago

Poplar

Get. Brexit. Done.

Dominic Cummings does love a three word slogan.

Lest we forget Take Back Control. Or ‘Hands. Face. Space.’ Until we start focusing on policy over popularity we’re just going to ricochet from one shit government to another.

To be fair though Corbyn's policies were sh*t as well.

Which ones?

You will only disagree with what I say so no point in posting.

So be content with the fact not enough people thought what he had to offer was acceptable.

So you dont know?"

I've seen your posts on here and you never answer anyones questions so I see no need to answer yours.

But I know exactly which policies which were sh*t.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Get. Brexit. Done.

Dominic Cummings does love a three word slogan.

Lest we forget Take Back Control. Or ‘Hands. Face. Space.’ Until we start focusing on policy over popularity we’re just going to ricochet from one shit government to another.

To be fair though Corbyn's policies were sh*t as well.

Which ones?

You will only disagree with what I say so no point in posting.

So be content with the fact not enough people thought what he had to offer was acceptable.

So you dont know?

I've seen your posts on here and you never answer anyones questions so I see no need to answer yours.

But I know exactly which policies which were sh*t.

I always answer questions

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

Tories aren't as bad as I thought. They're making independence for Scotland more and more likely with every passing day.

That latest poll showing 58% 'Yes' is nothing to do with any campaigning by the SNP; because, since March, there hasn't been any.

So, Boris, keep doing what you're doing. Who knows, maybe, given enough of you and your kind's bullshit, the people of the North of England will come back to their senses too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?"

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Tories aren't as bad as I thought. They're making independence for Scotland more and more likely with every passing day.

That latest poll showing 58% 'Yes' is nothing to do with any campaigning by the SNP; because, since March, there hasn't been any.

So, Boris, keep doing what you're doing. Who knows, maybe, given enough of you and your kind's bullshit, the people of the North of England will come back to their senses too?

"
good for Scotland

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally.."

I agree on boris.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"Tories aren't as bad as I thought. They're making independence for Scotland more and more likely with every passing day.

That latest poll showing 58% 'Yes' is nothing to do with any campaigning by the SNP; because, since March, there hasn't been any.

So, Boris, keep doing what you're doing. Who knows, maybe, given enough of you and your kind's bullshit, the people of the North of England will come back to their senses too?

'Once in generation referendum' as said by the leader of the SNP was in 2014.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris. "

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

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By *nicecoupleXCouple
over a year ago

Hitch

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?"

Yes , his draconian lockdowms for a virus with a 99.997 % survival rate has been the final insult

With an estimated 1 million people now going to die from missed cancer screening and depression (lost jobs) etc

So yes I detest him as much as the Marxist Labour Party.

Time for change, these 2 losers need to go. Time for real change.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?"

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

Yes , his draconian lockdowms for a virus with a 99.997 % survival rate has been the final insult

With an estimated 1 million people now going to die from missed cancer screening and depression (lost jobs) etc

So yes I detest him as much as the Marxist Labour Party.

Time for change, these 2 losers need to go. Time for real change. "

Marxist?

You do make me giggle.

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By *nicecoupleXCouple
over a year ago

Hitch

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?"

Lol !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader."

In my opinion, for Labour to take advantage of the Boris shambles at the next election they should NOT go back to its roots....they should move towards the Centre. That is where the votes are to be won.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

To what end? A centrist Labour might have more chance of winning an election. And obviously they'd be less shit and self servicing than what we have now. But they wouldn't bring about any meaningful change.

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By *ssexbloke72Man
over a year ago

Poplar

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

That's exactly what the majority of the people want.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

That's exactly what the majority of the people want.

Why don't people want any meaningful improvement to their lives? For me that's the big question.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

And when they did that under Blair they lost Scotland and huge chunks of the north.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

That's exactly what the majority of the people want.

How would you categorise the last 20 odd years?

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By *ssexbloke72Man
over a year ago

Poplar

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

That's exactly what the majority of the people want.

How would you categorise the last 20 odd years?"

In voting terms the public have never voted in a left wing radical government.

The public have never voted in Screaming Lord Sutch either.

The simple fact that you need to understand is the public did not either of those two options.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

That's exactly what the majority of the people want.

How would you categorise the last 20 odd years?

In voting terms the public have never voted in a left wing radical government.

The public have never voted in Screaming Lord Sutch either.

The simple fact that you need to understand is the public did not either of those two options. "

I agree. And I find it an interesting phenomenon. The electorate consistently vote for a party who is openly self serving and holds ordinary people in utter contempt.

And anyone who offers any kind of change is destroyed in the media.

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By *ssexbloke72Man
over a year ago

Poplar

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

That's exactly what the majority of the people want.

How would you categorise the last 20 odd years?

In voting terms the public have never voted in a left wing radical government.

The public have never voted in Screaming Lord Sutch either.

The simple fact that you need to understand is the public did not either of those two options.

I agree. And I find it an interesting phenomenon. The electorate consistently vote for a party who is openly self serving and holds ordinary people in utter contempt.

And anyone who offers any kind of change is destroyed in the media."

If you continue to think it's all the media's fault and not the policies being offered, you just not accepting why they keep losing.

Maybe people don't want to roll back the clock to mass strikes and power cuts like in the 70's.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

That's exactly what the majority of the people want.

Why don't people want any meaningful improvement to their lives? For me that's the big question.

In a democratic country meaningful change can only be brought by the Party which is governing. The bigger the majority of that Party the more the likelihood of a meaningful change. In my opinion, as a (pre Boris) Tory voter, the only chance of a labour government achieving a decent majority is to occupy the Centre ground. If they do I will vote Labour. If they don't, I will vote LibDem if Boris continues to lead the Conservatives..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

That's exactly what the majority of the people want.

How would you categorise the last 20 odd years?

In voting terms the public have never voted in a left wing radical government.

The public have never voted in Screaming Lord Sutch either.

The simple fact that you need to understand is the public did not either of those two options.

I agree. And I find it an interesting phenomenon. The electorate consistently vote for a party who is openly self serving and holds ordinary people in utter contempt.

And anyone who offers any kind of change is destroyed in the media."
Destroyed by the media? The media tends to give all politicians an opportunity to express their views. The public obtain information from a wide variety of different sources , make their decisions and vote accordingly.

Unless a party have something to offer the voter , if is a bit pointless blaming the media or suggesting that the government hold people in contempt.

The last election result proved that the winning party took into account everyone's views .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

That's exactly what the majority of the people want.

How would you categorise the last 20 odd years?

In voting terms the public have never voted in a left wing radical government.

The public have never voted in Screaming Lord Sutch either.

The simple fact that you need to understand is the public did not either of those two options.

I agree. And I find it an interesting phenomenon. The electorate consistently vote for a party who is openly self serving and holds ordinary people in utter contempt.

And anyone who offers any kind of change is destroyed in the media. Destroyed by the media? The media tends to give all politicians an opportunity to express their views. The public obtain information from a wide variety of different sources , make their decisions and vote accordingly.

Unless a party have something to offer the voter , if is a bit pointless blaming the media or suggesting that the government hold people in contempt.

The last election result proved that the winning party took into account everyone's views . "

Hahahahaha.

Sorry, instinctive reaction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

That's exactly what the majority of the people want.

How would you categorise the last 20 odd years?

In voting terms the public have never voted in a left wing radical government.

The public have never voted in Screaming Lord Sutch either.

The simple fact that you need to understand is the public did not either of those two options.

I agree. And I find it an interesting phenomenon. The electorate consistently vote for a party who is openly self serving and holds ordinary people in utter contempt.

And anyone who offers any kind of change is destroyed in the media.

If you continue to think it's all the media's fault and not the policies being offered, you just not accepting why they keep losing.

Maybe people don't want to roll back the clock to mass strikes and power cuts like in the 70's."

If you're talking policy.

The blind tests that are out there. The ones where you pick your favourite policy on each issue without seeing which parties policy it is.

The Tories always always come out near the bottom. The Greens always win by a mile.

Your comment on powercuts in the 70s just reinforces how powerful the misinformation campaign is.

I'm open to other reasons why people vote the way they do. But policy is clearly not one of the main reasons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

That's exactly what the majority of the people want.

Why don't people want any meaningful improvement to their lives? For me that's the big question.

Interesting.

For me. Labour are pointless if they're just offering a slightly less shit version of what we've got now.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

That's exactly what the majority of the people want.

How would you categorise the last 20 odd years?

In voting terms the public have never voted in a left wing radical government.

The public have never voted in Screaming Lord Sutch either.

The simple fact that you need to understand is the public did not either of those two options. "

You didnt answer the question.

In 1945 a left wing gmnt was elected

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

That's exactly what the majority of the people want.

How would you categorise the last 20 odd years?

In voting terms the public have never voted in a left wing radical government.

The public have never voted in Screaming Lord Sutch either.

The simple fact that you need to understand is the public did not either of those two options.

I agree. And I find it an interesting phenomenon. The electorate consistently vote for a party who is openly self serving and holds ordinary people in utter contempt.

And anyone who offers any kind of change is destroyed in the media.

If you continue to think it's all the media's fault and not the policies being offered, you just not accepting why they keep losing.

Maybe people don't want to roll back the clock to mass strikes and power cuts like in the 70's."

Yep services cut to the bone widespread poverty and homelessness and gross inequality and corruption are much preferable

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

That's exactly what the majority of the people want.

How would you categorise the last 20 odd years?

In voting terms the public have never voted in a left wing radical government.

The public have never voted in Screaming Lord Sutch either.

The simple fact that you need to understand is the public did not either of those two options.

I agree. And I find it an interesting phenomenon. The electorate consistently vote for a party who is openly self serving and holds ordinary people in utter contempt.

Unless a party have something to offer the voter , if is a bit pointless blaming the media or suggesting that the government hold people in contempt.

The last election result proved that the winning party took into account everyone's views . "

How is cloud cuckoo land today?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

That's exactly what the majority of the people want.

Why don't people want any meaningful improvement to their lives? For me that's the big question.

Interesting.

For me. Labour are pointless if they're just offering a slightly less shit version of what we've got now."

That may well be true but until another viable Party emerges that's all you have got .....unless you emigrate to somewhere with a regime which promores policies closer to what you seek.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tory voters, are cunts. Sorted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tory voters, are cunts. Sorted."

The Welsh continue to be at the forefront of political debate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

That's exactly what the majority of the people want.

Why don't people want any meaningful improvement to their lives? For me that's the big question.

Interesting.

For me. Labour are pointless if they're just offering a slightly less shit version of what we've got now.

That may well be true but until another viable Party emerges that's all you have got .....unless you emigrate to somewhere with a regime which promores policies closer to what you seek. "

Yeah I get you.

I don't especially disagree.

I do think that the press play a huge role in keeping people interested in voting for the status quo.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

That's exactly what the majority of the people want.

Why don't people want any meaningful improvement to their lives? For me that's the big question.

Interesting.

For me. Labour are pointless if they're just offering a slightly less shit version of what we've got now.

That may well be true but until another viable Party emerges that's all you have got .....unless you emigrate to somewhere with a regime which promores policies closer to what you seek.

Yeah I get you.

I don't especially disagree.

I do think that the press play a huge role in keeping people interested in voting for the status quo.

I totally agree with you about the Press.

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By *ssexbloke72Man
over a year ago

Poplar

"Tory voters, are cunts. Sorted."

Posted from someone who wished they had a cunt.!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tory voters, are cunts. Sorted.

Posted from someone who wished they had a cunt.!

That's a bit uncalled for.

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"Tory voters, are cunts. Sorted.

Posted from someone who wished they had a cunt.!

That's a bit uncalled for."

but true

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Tory voters, are cunts. Sorted.

Posted from someone who wished they had a cunt.!

Classy.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Tory voters, are cunts. Sorted.

Posted from someone who wished they had a cunt.!

That's a bit uncalled for.

but true"

Standard.

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"Tory voters, are cunts. Sorted.

Posted from someone who wished they had a cunt.!

That's a bit uncalled for.

but true

Standard."

predictable

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Tory voters, are cunts. Sorted.

Posted from someone who wished they had a cunt.!

That's a bit uncalled for.

but true

Standard.

predictable"

Indeed.

Never mind.You will get there.

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"Tory voters, are cunts. Sorted.

Posted from someone who wished they had a cunt.!

That's a bit uncalled for.

but true

Standard.

predictable

Indeed.

Never mind.You will get there."

where?

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By *nicecoupleXCouple
over a year ago

Hitch

How do you mute people in this forum ? I don't want to block them as I like to know I trigger them but I think I have a stalker and he's insufferable loser to

So can you mute them but ensure they can still see your posts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How do you mute people in this forum ? I don't want to block them as I like to know I trigger them but I think I have a stalker and he's insufferable loser to

So can you mute them but ensure they can still see your posts? "

No I

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By *nicecoupleXCouple
over a year ago

Hitch

"How do you mute people in this forum ? I don't want to block them as I like to know I trigger them but I think I have a stalker and he's insufferable loser to

So can you mute them but ensure they can still see your posts?

No I"

You you have to totally block them? Ffs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How do you mute people in this forum ? I don't want to block them as I like to know I trigger them but I think I have a stalker and he's insufferable loser to

So can you mute them but ensure they can still see your posts?

No I

You you have to totally block them? Ffs "

No idea,

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Tory voters, are cunts. Sorted.

Posted from someone who wished they had a cunt.!

That's a bit uncalled for.

but true

Standard.

predictable

Indeed.

Never mind.You will get there.

where?"

To where you can make your posts seem like they were composed by a grown up.

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"Tory voters, are cunts. Sorted.

Posted from someone who wished they had a cunt.!

That's a bit uncalled for.

but true

Standard.

predictable

Indeed.

Never mind.You will get there.

where?

To where you can make your posts seem like they were composed by a grown up."

would that be like your posts then?

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By *nicecoupleXCouple
over a year ago

Hitch

"How do you mute people in this forum ? I don't want to block them as I like to know I trigger them but I think I have a stalker and he's insufferable loser to

So can you mute them but ensure they can still see your posts?

No I

You you have to totally block them? Ffs

No idea,

Ok , well I hate to do this as I don't believe in censoring but he is insufferable

Thanks anyways

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By *nicecoupleXCouple
over a year ago

Hitch

Dam , I already had him blocked

Back to ignoring i guess

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Tory voters, are cunts. Sorted.

Posted from someone who wished they had a cunt.!

That's a bit uncalled for.

but true

Standard.

predictable

Indeed.

Never mind.You will get there.

where?

To where you can make your posts seem like they were composed by a grown up.

would that be like your posts then?"

Well when I start talking about wanking over tanks you may be into something.

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"Tory voters, are cunts. Sorted.

Posted from someone who wished they had a cunt.!

That's a bit uncalled for.

but true

Standard.

predictable

Indeed.

Never mind.You will get there.

where?

To where you can make your posts seem like they were composed by a grown up.

would that be like your posts then?

Well when I start talking about wanking over tanks you may be into something. "

maybe you should try it, save you having to google all your other responses to peoples posts

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Tory voters, are cunts. Sorted.

Posted from someone who wished they had a cunt.!

That's a bit uncalled for.

but true

Standard.

predictable

Indeed.

Never mind.You will get there.

where?

To where you can make your posts seem like they were composed by a grown up.

would that be like your posts then?

Well when I start talking about wanking over tanks you may be into something.

maybe you should try it, save you having to google all your other responses to peoples posts"

Eh?

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"Tory voters, are cunts. Sorted.

Posted from someone who wished they had a cunt.!

That's a bit uncalled for.

but true

Standard.

predictable

Indeed.

Never mind.You will get there.

where?

To where you can make your posts seem like they were composed by a grown up.

would that be like your posts then?

Well when I start talking about wanking over tanks you may be into something.

maybe you should try it, save you having to google all your other responses to peoples posts

Eh?"

all the monotinous shit that you keep talking about

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Tory voters, are cunts. Sorted.

Posted from someone who wished they had a cunt.!

That's a bit uncalled for.

but true

Standard.

predictable

Indeed.

Never mind.You will get there.

where?

To where you can make your posts seem like they were composed by a grown up.

would that be like your posts then?

Well when I start talking about wanking over tanks you may be into something.

maybe you should try it, save you having to google all your other responses to peoples posts

Eh?

all the monotinous shit that you keep talking about"

Monotonous I think you will find its spelt dear boy.

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"Tory voters, are cunts. Sorted.

Posted from someone who wished they had a cunt.!

That's a bit uncalled for.

but true

Standard.

predictable

Indeed.

Never mind.You will get there.

where?

To where you can make your posts seem like they were composed by a grown up.

would that be like your posts then?

Well when I start talking about wanking over tanks you may be into something.

maybe you should try it, save you having to google all your other responses to peoples posts

Eh?

all the monotinous shit that you keep talking about

Monotonous I think you will find its spelt dear boy."

google again

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Tory voters, are cunts. Sorted.

Posted from someone who wished they had a cunt.!

That's a bit uncalled for.

but true

Standard.

predictable

Indeed.

Never mind.You will get there.

where?

To where you can make your posts seem like they were composed by a grown up.

would that be like your posts then?

Well when I start talking about wanking over tanks you may be into something.

maybe you should try it, save you having to google all your other responses to peoples posts

Eh?

all the monotinous shit that you keep talking about

Monotonous I think you will find its spelt dear boy.

google again"

Little tip for you.

Try making a sensible point rather than juvenile comments on wanking or thinking any from liverpool could give a flying fuck what you think of them.

Good luck.

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

"Tory voters, are cunts. Sorted.

Posted from someone who wished they had a cunt.!

That's a bit uncalled for.

but true

Standard.

predictable

Indeed.

Never mind.You will get there.

where?

To where you can make your posts seem like they were composed by a grown up.

would that be like your posts then?

Well when I start talking about wanking over tanks you may be into something.

maybe you should try it, save you having to google all your other responses to peoples posts

Eh?

all the monotinous shit that you keep talking about

Monotonous I think you will find its spelt dear boy.

google again

Little tip for you.

Try making a sensible point rather than juvenile comments on wanking or thinking any from liverpool could give a flying fuck what you think of them.

Good luck.

mind your blood pressure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How do you mute people in this forum ? I don't want to block them as I like to know I trigger them but I think I have a stalker and he's insufferable loser to

So can you mute them but ensure they can still see your posts? "

I don't know about you triggering them, but it would appear that they've certainly triggered you.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"How do you mute people in this forum ? I don't want to block them as I like to know I trigger them but I think I have a stalker and he's insufferable loser to

So can you mute them but ensure they can still see your posts?

I don't know about you triggering them, but it would appear that they've certainly triggered you.

I know

Block someone and spend all day going on about them.

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

That's exactly what the majority of the people want.

How would you categorise the last 20 odd years?

In voting terms the public have never voted in a left wing radical government.

The public have never voted in Screaming Lord Sutch either.

The simple fact that you need to understand is the public did not either of those two options.

I agree. And I find it an interesting phenomenon. The electorate consistently vote for a party who is openly self serving and holds ordinary people in utter contempt.

And anyone who offers any kind of change is destroyed in the media.

If you continue to think it's all the media's fault and not the policies being offered, you just not accepting why they keep losing.

Maybe people don't want to roll back the clock to mass strikes and power cuts like in the 70's.

If you're talking policy.

The blind tests that are out there. The ones where you pick your favourite policy on each issue without seeing which parties policy it is.

The Tories always always come out near the bottom. The Greens always win by a mile.

Your comment on powercuts in the 70s just reinforces how powerful the misinformation campaign is.

I'm open to other reasons why people vote the way they do. But policy is clearly not one of the main reasons."

so if policy is not affecting votes and as some say the press are anti Labour how will Labour win power? Until they do win power they cannot implement any policy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have always voted Tory until Boris became leader.

What's worse about Boris than May, or Cameron?

I sort of respect May and Cameron but don't respect Boris (or Corbyn) at all.

Why?

My subjective opinion that Boris (or Corbyn) are poor leaders and not good for me personally or the country generally..

I agree on boris.

So you think Corbyn would have been a good leader!?

Not really

A think he was a decent man of integrity and principles and was utterly savaged.

I dont think he had a ruthless streak though, so no probally not.

I always thought the plan was to drag labour back to its roots and then bring in a younger leader.

That's exactly what the majority of the people want.

How would you categorise the last 20 odd years?

In voting terms the public have never voted in a left wing radical government.

The public have never voted in Screaming Lord Sutch either.

The simple fact that you need to understand is the public did not either of those two options.

I agree. And I find it an interesting phenomenon. The electorate consistently vote for a party who is openly self serving and holds ordinary people in utter contempt.

And anyone who offers any kind of change is destroyed in the media.

If you continue to think it's all the media's fault and not the policies being offered, you just not accepting why they keep losing.

Maybe people don't want to roll back the clock to mass strikes and power cuts like in the 70's.

If you're talking policy.

The blind tests that are out there. The ones where you pick your favourite policy on each issue without seeing which parties policy it is.

The Tories always always come out near the bottom. The Greens always win by a mile.

Your comment on powercuts in the 70s just reinforces how powerful the misinformation campaign is.

I'm open to other reasons why people vote the way they do. But policy is clearly not one of the main reasons.

so if policy is not affecting votes and as some say the press are anti Labour how will Labour win power? Until they do win power they cannot implement any policy"

No idea.

Personally I don't care if Labour come to power or not. I'm more interested in seeing positive change. Regardless of the name of the party to bring it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?"

The alternative would have been the rabidly left wing labour party and their proposal to take us back to 1970s politics and nationalise everything. I don't care how bad the Tories look Starmer et al would arse the country double quick.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

There is a saying the government is only as good as the oposition

Emma, do you realise the Tories are the ones who have been in power for a decade? As such, they're the ones who are fucking things up for us all."

When you say fucking up things what specifically are you referring to? And please don't mention the Chinese virus because that's the egg heads.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

At what point do you look at this government & its almost perpetual state of failure & think to yourself that voting for Boris et al may have been a bad idea?

If you think Starmer (who is a centrist) is "rabidly left wing" then you may need to read up about the man, and about what "left wing" means.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

There is a saying the government is only as good as the oposition

Emma, do you realise the Tories are the ones who have been in power for a decade? As such, they're the ones who are fucking things up for us all.

When you say fucking up things what specifically are you referring to? And please don't mention the Chinese virus because that's the egg heads."

I'm bored so I'll play along for a moment.

Covid-19 to give it it's non-polticised name. Was not in humans prior to the last election. So this isn't relevant to the question that was asked.

Using "egg heads" as an insult for scientists says more about you than it does anyone else. Why is it a bad thing to understand science?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

People really do have a selective memory dont they?

Labour are always associated with the winter of discontent yet people seem to forget English cities being set ablaze, rampant unemployment and a country divided by 2 under thatcher in the 80s.

The relative boom time under labour in the late 90 is also conveniently forgotten.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"People really do have a selective memory dont they?

Labour are always associated with the winter of discontent yet people seem to forget English cities being set ablaze, rampant unemployment and a country divided by 2 under thatcher in the 80s.

The relative boom time under labour in the late 90 is also conveniently forgotten."
agree with the 90s but wasn’t it just London and Liverpool set ablaze can’t remember anymore may be wrong ?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"People really do have a selective memory dont they?

Labour are always associated with the winter of discontent yet people seem to forget English cities being set ablaze, rampant unemployment and a country divided by 2 under thatcher in the 80s.

The relative boom time under labour in the late 90 is also conveniently forgotten.agree with the 90s but wasn’t it just London and Liverpool set ablaze can’t remember anymore may be wrong ?"

Birmingham was another

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By *otSoNewAnymoreMan
over a year ago

North East

come on folks, only a few more posts before this thread is too big

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"... and theres definitely plenty of you about, so let me ask this;

There is a saying the government is only as good as the oposition

Emma, do you realise the Tories are the ones who have been in power for a decade? As such, they're the ones who are fucking things up for us all.

When you say fucking up things what specifically are you referring to? And please don't mention the Chinese virus because that's the egg heads.

I'm bored so I'll play along for a moment.

Covid-19 to give it it's non-polticised name. Was not in humans prior to the last election. So this isn't relevant to the question that was asked.

Using "egg heads" as an insult for scientists says more about you than it does anyone else. Why is it a bad thing to understand science?"

Science? Witchcraft innit.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"Tories aren't as bad as I thought. They're making independence for Scotland more and more likely with every passing day.

That latest poll showing 58% 'Yes' is nothing to do with any campaigning by the SNP; because, since March, there hasn't been any.

So, Boris, keep doing what you're doing. Who knows, maybe, given enough of you and your kind's bullshit, the people of the North of England will come back to their senses too?

'Once in generation referendum' as said by the leader of the SNP was in 2014."

Ah, the 'once in a generation' argument. From someone with no dog in the hunt, no less.

I can't help but wonder why you don't think the Scots should be allowed to change their minds - break their word, even - when the UK is currently governed by a liar and a hypocrite who is content to break international law, just to please Brexit voters?

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"The last election result proved that the winning party took into account everyone's views."

No it didn't. The Tories only got 43.6% of the popular vote. Which means 56.4% of the electorate disagreed with their policies and did not assent to being governed by them.

If you lived in an actual, representative democracy - like Germany or New Zealand - the Tories would not be in power right now.

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