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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

Best?

Worst?

Anyone who would have made a good one?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Harold Macmillan

Tony Blair

John Smith

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

I thought Tony Benn would have been great

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Jacinda Ardern

James Callaghan

Ken Clarke

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Best - Thatcher

Worst - May

Could have been - John Smith

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Choosing to answer this for PMs within my own lifetime.

Best - N/A

Worst - Thatcher

Could have been - Tony Benn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Best?

Worst?

Anyone who would have made a good one?"

Clement Attlee

Boris Johnson

John Smith

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

Blair

Johnson / Thatcher

John Smith

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Best - Thatcher

Worst - May

Could have been - John Smith"

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By *ary_JosephCouple
over a year ago

South Shields

Best - Maggie Thatcher

Worst - Tony Blair

Could have been - John Smith

All in our adult lifetime.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Best - Maggie Thatcher

Worst - Tony Blair

Could have been - John Smith

All in our adult lifetime."

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

Worst boris or Thatcher

Best atlee

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

Best. Thatcher

Worst Brown

Could have been John smith

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Best - Thatcher

Worst Blair / Brown / Heath

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

Thatcher lol. The woman who’s killed British industry. Well done to her!

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Best can I admit to quite liking John Major? His administration allowed me into the UK.

Worst: Blair so much damage from his lies and being Bush’s patsy.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Thatcher lol. The woman who’s killed British industry. Well done to her! "

Seems to be coming out as no 1

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thatcher lol. The woman who’s killed British industry. Well done to her!

Seems to be coming out as no 1"

Before Johnson's arrival I would have said Thatcher too, but it's my opinion that if Johnson remains in power, he will do even more damage to the UK than even Thatcher managed.

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

Thatcher as best

May or Blair as worst

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Thatcher lol. The woman who’s killed British industry. Well done to her!

Seems to be coming out as no 1

Before Johnson's arrival I would have said Thatcher too, but it's my opinion that if Johnson remains in power, he will do even more damage to the UK than even Thatcher managed."

In years to come austerity will go down as damaging as Thatcherism.. but even that will be dwarfed by Brexit.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

best Thatcher

worst May

would have been good maybe John Smith

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thatcher lol. The woman who’s killed British industry. Well done to her!

Seems to be coming out as no 1

Before Johnson's arrival I would have said Thatcher too, but it's my opinion that if Johnson remains in power, he will do even more damage to the UK than even Thatcher managed.

In years to come austerity will go down as damaging as Thatcherism.. but even that will be dwarfed by Brexit."

Yep, I'm really looking forward to that shitshow.

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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago

East Lancashire

Hmmmmmm, it seems like the wicked witch from Grantham is top of the pops.

Now, I am not going to say she was the worst PM we have ever had, but I will stick my neck out and say she was the most disliked and controversial(even in her own party).

I think we all recognise that when she became PM in 79, the industry and workplace of this country needed to become more modern and more productive. But the way she went about it, with such a ferocity, speed and complete lack of empathy or concern for those affected, consigned a generation to the shit heap.....and all on the alter of profit for the few.

Now, in my opinion, the worst PM we have had has been Cameron. He knew what austerity would do, the misery and heartache and, yes I will say it, death it would cause....yet went ahead and did it, then had the temerity to blame Labour for it by saying they left the country's finances in the shit....said finances being in the crapper by them helping the bonus bankers out of their own created wankstorm back in 2008.

The best? Have to say Churchill...not that I approve of him, just that he was what was needed at the time and managed to boost morale (not to mention that he was a big europhile).

Could have been? Like most, John Smith. He dragged the Labour party to the finishing line of electoral success (a start made by Kinnock) before he sadly passed away.

There you go, bit long winded but I hope it answered the OP's question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Best?

Worst?

Anyone who would have made a good one?"

Margaret Thatcher

James Callagan

Ken Clarke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dave dee

Dozy

Beaky

Mick

Titch

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"best Thatcher

worst May

would have been good maybe John Smith"

Thatcher did some amazing things for Liverpool and the Wirral .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Best?

Worst?

Anyone who would have made a good one?"

Best- Blair

Worst- Boris

Could have been - David Milliband

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Best? Dunno. I haven't liked any.

Worst? Cummings... I mean Johnson.

Could have been? Maybe John Smith.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Best: historically Churchill, economically I have no clue.

Worst: cummings (johnson)

Hard to say. Maybe John Smith or maybe Borat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

Funny all those people who rave about Thatcher. Certainly a bunch of very patriotic people who must have enjoyed seeing hundreds of thousands of their compatriots lose their job and their lives being completely demolished by her.

However let’s not forget that there’s nothing that excites a Tory more than fucking or shafting a category of people. It’s in their DNA.

I remember the so called iron lady in tears when she got kicked out. And also Mitterrand saying he saw her cry too on a different occasion. I wish I had been there to enjoy the spectacle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Funny all those people who rave about Thatcher. Certainly a bunch of very patriotic people who must have enjoyed seeing hundreds of thousands of their compatriots lose their job and their lives being completely demolished by her.

However let’s not forget that there’s nothing that excites a Tory more than fucking or shafting a category of people. It’s in their DNA.

I remember the so called iron lady in tears when she got kicked out. And also Mitterrand saying he saw her cry too on a different occasion. I wish I had been there to enjoy the spectacle."
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She cost me my business,I couldn't stand her,or her poll tax stubbornness,but op didn't ask for favourite pm,asked for best, unfortunately she's the last leader who could actually lead...I think that's what a few mean by "best"

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband.."

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

However let’s not forget that there’s nothing that excites a Tory more than fucking or shafting a category of people. It’s in their DNA.

I remember the so called iron lady in tears when she got kicked out. And also Mitterrand saying he saw her cry too on a different occasion. I wish I had been there to enjoy the spectacle..

Lead in what way exactly?

Part of leadership is bringing people together.

She did the opposite.

She created division in this country which is still felt today.

Even if some parts of the country have shorter memories than others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

However let’s not forget that there’s nothing that excites a Tory more than fucking or shafting a category of people. It’s in their DNA.

I remember the so called iron lady in tears when she got kicked out. And also Mitterrand saying he saw her cry too on a different occasion. I wish I had been there to enjoy the spectacle..

Lead in what way exactly?

Part of leadership is bringing people together.

She did the opposite.

She created division in this country which is still felt today.

Even if some parts of the country have shorter memories than others."

Name me the last pm after Churchill who brought people together ???

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

However let’s not forget that there’s nothing that excites a Tory more than fucking or shafting a category of people. It’s in their DNA.

I remember the so called iron lady in tears when she got kicked out. And also Mitterrand saying he saw her cry too on a different occasion. I wish I had been there to enjoy the spectacle..

Lead in what way exactly?

Part of leadership is bringing people together.

She did the opposite.

She created division in this country which is still felt today.

Even if some parts of the country have shorter memories than others.

Name me the last pm after Churchill who brought people together ???"

Blair initially.

Atlee

Even Macmillan was a time of relative prosperity

We had consensual politics before Thatcher.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tony Blair ...really .Jesus Christ.

You asked who people thought the best Prime Minister..the vast majority on your thread say M.Thatcher..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together"

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Tony Blair ...really .Jesus Christ.

You asked who people thought the best Prime Minister..the vast majority on your thread say M.Thatcher..

Did I say Blair was the best

I'm just curious as to what she actually did.

I think she presented an image of being strong but a great leader knows how to be diplomatic at times.

She hadn't fucking heard of the word.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that."

It seems- on another thread you started you don't have much time for Tories( as it happens neither do I),on your "Tories are islamaphobic "thread,let's kick racism out thread.I don't think Islam is a race,but hey- ho...

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party."

If you won't go with leadership qualities for Thatcher,would you at least accept "strong willed",as that's what folk remember.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And what about David Milliband making a comeback...future pm ???

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

If you won't go with leadership qualities for Thatcher,would you at least accept "strong willed",as that's what folk remember."

I think that's the image she had..but stalin was strong willed.

He wasnt a great leader.

If you look at the period 97-2001 blair pulled the country together.Im not his no 1 fan but there was v little internal strife.

Compared to now when the country is riven with discord.

Still that's what tories do.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"And what about David Milliband making a comeback...future pm ???"

Cant see it.

His brother was a disaster.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

There'll be many on here putting Thatcher as number one who also voted for Blair..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And what about David Milliband making a comeback...future pm ???

Cant see it.

His brother was a disaster.

I think they voted wrong one in.David Milliband said something off camera which the BBC lipreader caught,was mentioned,quietly forgotten,but I for one thought "wow,he'd actually be a good leader"...

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"And what about David Milliband making a comeback...future pm ???

Cant see it.

His brother was a disaster.

I think they voted wrong one in.David Milliband said something off camera which the BBC lipreader caught,was mentioned,quietly forgotten,but I for one thought "wow,he'd actually be a good leader"... "

Red ed

Fucking hell.

He just wasnt a leader.

I thought when corbyn stood aside someone younger who had come through under him would have took over.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And what about David Milliband making a comeback...future pm ???

Cant see it.

His brother was a disaster.

I think they voted wrong one in.David Milliband said something off camera which the BBC lipreader caught,was mentioned,quietly forgotten,but I for one thought "wow,he'd actually be a good leader"...

Red ed

Fucking hell.

He just wasnt a leader.

I thought when corbyn stood aside someone younger who had come through under him would have took over."
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***David***Milliband above,not ed...hell no

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

This thread has made me chuckle.

Lionel asked all who their favourite PM was, the answer that came back as most popular is probably the one Lionel hates the most.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"This thread has made me chuckle.

Lionel asked all who their favourite PM was, the answer that came back as most popular is probably the one Lionel hates the most.

Best actually.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party."

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thread has made me chuckle.

Lionel asked all who their favourite PM was, the answer that came back as most popular is probably the one Lionel hates the most.

Best actually."

Maybe it was a Freudian slip. I heard Shy keeps a little Thatcher shrine in his garage.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"This thread has made me chuckle.

Lionel asked all who their favourite PM was, the answer that came back as most popular is probably the one Lionel hates the most.

Best actually.

Maybe it was a Freudian slip. I heard Shy keeps a little Thatcher shrine in his garage."

Actually you know f**k all because I voted red when Thatcher was PM.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thread has made me chuckle.

Lionel asked all who their favourite PM was, the answer that came back as most popular is probably the one Lionel hates the most.

Best actually.

Maybe it was a Freudian slip. I heard Shy keeps a little Thatcher shrine in his garage.

Actually you know f**k all because I voted red when Thatcher was PM."

But hey she won you round in the end with her humanity?

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in."

And also made this country completely obsessed with owning their house and making people who can’t do it look like complete failure. People would sell their mother to own a house in this country, forgetting that there are probably more important things in life. This has contributed to people living more and more beyond their means because owning is the ultimate grail.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"This thread has made me chuckle.

Lionel asked all who their favourite PM was, the answer that came back as most popular is probably the one Lionel hates the most.

Best actually.

Maybe it was a Freudian slip. I heard Shy keeps a little Thatcher shrine in his garage.

Actually you know f**k all because I voted red when Thatcher was PM.

But hey she won you round in the end with her humanity? "

She managed to make some people poorer than him. This is appealing for some.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"This thread has made me chuckle.

Lionel asked all who their favourite PM was, the answer that came back as most popular is probably the one Lionel hates the most.

Best actually.

Maybe it was a Freudian slip. I heard Shy keeps a little Thatcher shrine in his garage.

Actually you know f**k all because I voted red when Thatcher was PM."

You voted for michael foot?

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over a year ago

Bristol

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over a year ago

Bristol

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"This thread has made me chuckle.

Lionel asked all who their favourite PM was, the answer that came back as most popular is probably the one Lionel hates the most.

Best actually.

Maybe it was a Freudian slip. I heard Shy keeps a little Thatcher shrine in his garage.

Actually you know f**k all because I voted red when Thatcher was PM.

You voted for michael foot?"

I wasn't old enough to vote in 1983.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"This thread has made me chuckle.

Lionel asked all who their favourite PM was, the answer that came back as most popular is probably the one Lionel hates the most.

Best actually.

Maybe it was a Freudian slip. I heard Shy keeps a little Thatcher shrine in his garage.

Actually you know f**k all because I voted red when Thatcher was PM.

You voted for michael foot?

I wasn't old enough to vote in 1983."

Are you now?

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"This thread has made me chuckle.

Lionel asked all who their favourite PM was, the answer that came back as most popular is probably the one Lionel hates the most.

Best actually.

Maybe it was a Freudian slip. I heard Shy keeps a little Thatcher shrine in his garage.

Actually you know f**k all because I voted red when Thatcher was PM.

You voted for michael foot?

I wasn't old enough to vote in 1983.

Are you now?"

Your meaning?

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Best - Thatcher, she did good for the Falklands conflict.

Worst - Johnson.

Maybe - Lord Sutch, he couldn't do any worse than Johnson.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"This thread has made me chuckle.

Lionel asked all who their favourite PM was, the answer that came back as most popular is probably the one Lionel hates the most.

Best actually.

Maybe it was a Freudian slip. I heard Shy keeps a little Thatcher shrine in his garage.

Actually you know f**k all because I voted red when Thatcher was PM.

You voted for michael foot?

I wasn't old enough to vote in 1983.

Are you now?

Your meaning?"

Hummm, old enough to vote? Is that such a difficult question to understand?

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over a year ago

Bristol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thread has made me chuckle.

Lionel asked all who their favourite PM was, the answer that came back as most popular is probably the one Lionel hates the most.

Best actually.

Maybe it was a Freudian slip. I heard Shy keeps a little Thatcher shrine in his garage.

Actually you know f**k all because I voted red when Thatcher was PM.

You voted for michael foot?

I wasn't old enough to vote in 1983.

Are you now?

Your meaning?

Hummm, old enough to vote? Is that such a difficult question to understand?

It is if you're too young.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"This thread has made me chuckle.

Lionel asked all who their favourite PM was, the answer that came back as most popular is probably the one Lionel hates the most.

Best actually.

Maybe it was a Freudian slip. I heard Shy keeps a little Thatcher shrine in his garage.

Actually you know f**k all because I voted red when Thatcher was PM.

You voted for michael foot?

I wasn't old enough to vote in 1983.

Are you now?

Your meaning?

Hummm, old enough to vote? Is that such a difficult question to understand?

Well if I'm not, you wouldn't be either would you genius.!

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own."

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered.

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over a year ago

"This thread has made me chuckle.

Lionel asked all who their favourite PM was, the answer that came back as most popular is probably the one Lionel hates the most.

Best actually.

Maybe it was a Freudian slip. I heard Shy keeps a little Thatcher shrine in his garage.

Actually you know f**k all because I voted red when Thatcher was PM.

You voted for michael foot?

I wasn't old enough to vote in 1983.

Are you now?

Your meaning?

Hummm, old enough to vote? Is that such a difficult question to understand?

Well if I'm not, you wouldn't be either would you genius.!"

I'm guessing it was a joke. No need to get angry.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"This thread has made me chuckle.

Lionel asked all who their favourite PM was, the answer that came back as most popular is probably the one Lionel hates the most.

Best actually.

Maybe it was a Freudian slip. I heard Shy keeps a little Thatcher shrine in his garage.

Actually you know f**k all because I voted red when Thatcher was PM.

You voted for michael foot?

I wasn't old enough to vote in 1983.

Are you now?

Your meaning?

Hummm, old enough to vote? Is that such a difficult question to understand?

Well if I'm not, you wouldn't be either would you genius.!

I'm guessing it was a joke. No need to get angry."

Some people need smileys to get the jokey tone of the post. My mistake...

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"This thread has made me chuckle.

Lionel asked all who their favourite PM was, the answer that came back as most popular is probably the one Lionel hates the most.

Best actually.

Maybe it was a Freudian slip. I heard Shy keeps a little Thatcher shrine in his garage.

Actually you know f**k all because I voted red when Thatcher was PM.

You voted for michael foot?

I wasn't old enough to vote in 1983.

Are you now?

Your meaning?

Hummm, old enough to vote? Is that such a difficult question to understand?

Well if I'm not, you wouldn't be either would you genius.!

I'm guessing it was a joke. No need to get angry.

Some people need smileys to get the jokey tone of the post. My mistake...

Personally I think you're upset that I didn't vote for Thatcher.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered. "

With the UK having the lowest pensions in Europe, you need house prices to be artificially inflated. This is where people’s wealth and savings are. That’s the sign of a fair and healthy country isn’t it?

Funny how we are obsessed with house prices and what they are doing every month but nobody seems to be appalled at the disgraceful pensions we have in the UK compared to our neighbours.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered.

Funny how we are obsessed with house prices and what they are doing every month but nobody seems to be appalled at the disgraceful pensions we have in the UK compared to our neighbours.

I agree pensions should be where the wealth is.

Where we live the younger generation have no chance of buying. My own children can’t if I don’t chip in. That’s just wrong on so many levels,

We shouldn’t need to sell our houses to have an affordable retirement .

Sorry to the OP as a bit off topic.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

Back on topic,

I think David Blunkett or Alan Johnson could have been good Labour PM's

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over a year ago

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered.

Funny how we are obsessed with house prices and what they are doing every month but nobody seems to be appalled at the disgraceful pensions we have in the UK compared to our neighbours.

I’d personally prefer a system where people can rely on a decent pension and regular income than on the price of their house, the money they make when they downsize or the inheritance they need to get on the property ladder..."
However while pensions may be lower, taxation is also lower compared to any other European country. Consequently people can use the savings in taxation to invest in their own pension scheme should they wish. The current tax relief on pension contributions is very generous . If people want a decent pension , they have to save and invest throughout their entire working life. Funding of pensions is probably one of the biggest problems we face in the future

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered. "

It was Thatcher who began that process though and it was the beginning of that whole 'I'm alright Jack'era which is still there today.

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By *exy couple128Couple
over a year ago

Scarborough

Best Thatcher, Worst Brown, Could've been, Farage

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over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered.

Funny how we are obsessed with house prices and what they are doing every month but nobody seems to be appalled at the disgraceful pensions we have in the UK compared to our neighbours.

I’d personally prefer a system where people can rely on a decent pension and regular income than on the price of their house, the money they make when they downsize or the inheritance they need to get on the property ladder... However while pensions may be lower, taxation is also lower compared to any other European country. Consequently people can use the savings in taxation to invest in their own pension scheme should they wish. The current tax relief on pension contributions is very generous . If people want a decent pension , they have to save and invest throughout their entire working life. Funding of pensions is probably one of the biggest problems we face in the future "

Taxation being lower means that we have poor public services and that pensioners have to pay for a lot of things that would be free in other countries. Going to the dentist for example is free in quite a few European countries where you hardly pay for any medicine either. Trains are also much much cheaper than here. With all this in mind, I will never understand how turkeys can still vote for Christmas and vote for a party that pretends defending them but in reality shafts our pensioners.

The perfect example is hearing the tories being up in arms because the BBC charges the pensioners for the TV licence. How scandalous is it for the BBC to charge people who watch their programmes! What about the same Tories stop posturing and make sure that our pensioners don’t need to beg for a free tv licence by making sure that their pensions are as good as in places like Germany, Italy, France etc.... But as always, they’d rather blame somebody else than taking responsibility for their shit-show.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

Genuine question..what did Thatcher achieve?

Atlee..welfare state

Blair.. good Friday agreement

Churchill ww2

Thatcher?

I'm genuinely curious.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered.

Funny how we are obsessed with house prices and what they are doing every month but nobody seems to be appalled at the disgraceful pensions we have in the UK compared to our neighbours.

I’d personally prefer a system where people can rely on a decent pension and regular income than on the price of their house, the money they make when they downsize or the inheritance they need to get on the property ladder... However while pensions may be lower, taxation is also lower compared to any other European country. Consequently people can use the savings in taxation to invest in their own pension scheme should they wish. The current tax relief on pension contributions is very generous . If people want a decent pension , they have to save and invest throughout their entire working life. Funding of pensions is probably one of the biggest problems we face in the future

Going off topic as I reading something about Denmark the other day.

They have one of the highest tax rates in Europe but they also have free healthcare, education etc

Their social mobility is one of the best in the world and their justice system is extremely progressive.

They also have one of the highest number of millionaires in europe.

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over a year ago

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered.

Funny how we are obsessed with house prices and what they are doing every month but nobody seems to be appalled at the disgraceful pensions we have in the UK compared to our neighbours.

I’d personally prefer a system where people can rely on a decent pension and regular income than on the price of their house, the money they make when they downsize or the inheritance they need to get on the property ladder... However while pensions may be lower, taxation is also lower compared to any other European country. Consequently people can use the savings in taxation to invest in their own pension scheme should they wish. The current tax relief on pension contributions is very generous . If people want a decent pension , they have to save and invest throughout their entire working life. Funding of pensions is probably one of the biggest problems we face in the future

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Luckily the electorate in the UK have enough common sense to realise that nothing in life is free. Every single service provided has to be paid for either directly or indirectly. The current state pension in the UK varies between £140 and £170 per week. Are you saying that this is not enough to live on.?

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered.

Funny how we are obsessed with house prices and what they are doing every month but nobody seems to be appalled at the disgraceful pensions we have in the UK compared to our neighbours.

I’d personally prefer a system where people can rely on a decent pension and regular income than on the price of their house, the money they make when they downsize or the inheritance they need to get on the property ladder... However while pensions may be lower, taxation is also lower compared to any other European country. Consequently people can use the savings in taxation to invest in their own pension scheme should they wish. The current tax relief on pension contributions is very generous . If people want a decent pension , they have to save and invest throughout their entire working life. Funding of pensions is probably one of the biggest problems we face in the future

Luckily the electorate in the UK have enough common sense to realise that nothing in life is free. Every single service provided has to be paid for either directly or indirectly. The current state pension in the UK varies between £140 and £170 per week. Are you saying that this is not enough to live on.? "

Many pensioners struggle to survive

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars."

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless"

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Genuine question..what did Thatcher achieve?

Atlee..welfare state

Blair.. good Friday agreement

Churchill ww2

Thatcher?

I'm genuinely curious. "

If you are genuinely curious you could watch the BBC2 5 part series, Thatcher: A Very British Revolution. It’s available on the BBC iPlayer.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered.

Funny how we are obsessed with house prices and what they are doing every month but nobody seems to be appalled at the disgraceful pensions we have in the UK compared to our neighbours.

I’d personally prefer a system where people can rely on a decent pension and regular income than on the price of their house, the money they make when they downsize or the inheritance they need to get on the property ladder... However while pensions may be lower, taxation is also lower compared to any other European country. Consequently people can use the savings in taxation to invest in their own pension scheme should they wish. The current tax relief on pension contributions is very generous . If people want a decent pension , they have to save and invest throughout their entire working life. Funding of pensions is probably one of the biggest problems we face in the future

Unluckily people in the U.K. know their place and don’t try to challenge the status quo. We have the biggest gap between the richest and the poorest in Europe but the poorest have been told that they should count themselves lucky and that the tories are looking after them. At the weekend they read our fantastic rags that tell them that the tories are gods and that everything that’s wrong including the biggest inequalities in Europe are due to the Poles or the scroungers. And they’re so brainwashed and blessed with common sense that they accept their fate.

Strangely enough when I go to the continent I never see people who are 70 years old behind a supermarket till unlike here. However some of these countries had proper revolutions in the past and unions are still strong enough to defend the have nots. You know, the unions that Thaycher demolished because they were evil.

And yes, you’re right everything that is free has to be paid by somebody. That’s why for example in France professional football players are taxed up to 75% that’s why they all queue to come here because we’re happy to tax them less and let our pensioners beg for a free tv licence.

Same for ultra rich people who get away with paying low tax and can hide their money in the Caiman islands or Jersey.

If that’s common sense to you, no problem. I call it stupidity and a lack of intelligence from the ones who get shafted and in there I include the white white van drivers who vote Tory and think the enemies are the scroungers as well as a lack of balls to challenge the system by letting themselves being taken for a ride.

In life you don’t get anything without a fight. The queen never paid tax until the 90s. Great, isn’t it? How could this ever be fair???? The monarchy started being challenged with the Diana story etc... and people started to turn against the monarchy. The result? She now pays tax. That’s how you change society and make it fairer - not by accepting your fate.

We need to start making people who have shitloads of money pay proper tax. And that includes people like me who would like to pay more tax. ( we don’t have shitloads of money btw...) We should make sure the Amazons, Google, Ebay of this world pay their due. Instead of this, we’re told that the evil is the 20 immigrants crossing the channels everyday on dinghies or the Poles who came here to work their socks off in the nhs... And the simple minded buy this crap.

That’s not common sense to me. That’s just brainwashing and our Daily Mail turkey readers are asking for more. ‘Keep calm and carry on’. That’s how you send people to sleep and carry on shafting them. If other countries can afford decent pensions, why can’t we? The answer is... for ideological reasons and because we have managed to make the ones who get shafted that their common sense should tell them that getting shafted is normal.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Genuine question..what did Thatcher achieve?

Atlee..welfare state

Blair.. good Friday agreement

Churchill ww2

Thatcher?

I'm genuinely curious.

If you are genuinely curious you could watch the BBC2 5 part series, Thatcher: A Very British Revolution. It’s available on the BBC iPlayer.

Is it balanced?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered.

Funny how we are obsessed with house prices and what they are doing every month but nobody seems to be appalled at the disgraceful pensions we have in the UK compared to our neighbours.

I’d personally prefer a system where people can rely on a decent pension and regular income than on the price of their house, the money they make when they downsize or the inheritance they need to get on the property ladder... However while pensions may be lower, taxation is also lower compared to any other European country. Consequently people can use the savings in taxation to invest in their own pension scheme should they wish. The current tax relief on pension contributions is very generous . If people want a decent pension , they have to save and invest throughout their entire working life. Funding of pensions is probably one of the biggest problems we face in the future

Same for ultra rich people who get away with paying low tax and can hide their money in the Caiman islands or Jersey.

"
the queen does pay tax now but it’s on money she is given of the tax payers she should be made to pay the back tax aswell better still get rid of the monarchy and tbh iv never seen a 70 yrold behind a till but I do agree the super rich shaft the system and loopholes but every government promises to close them but never do

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

derby

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered.

Funny how we are obsessed with house prices and what they are doing every month but nobody seems to be appalled at the disgraceful pensions we have in the UK compared to our neighbours.

I’d personally prefer a system where people can rely on a decent pension and regular income than on the price of their house, the money they make when they downsize or the inheritance they need to get on the property ladder... However while pensions may be lower, taxation is also lower compared to any other European country. Consequently people can use the savings in taxation to invest in their own pension scheme should they wish. The current tax relief on pension contributions is very generous . If people want a decent pension , they have to save and invest throughout their entire working life. Funding of pensions is probably one of the biggest problems we face in the future

Same for ultra rich people who get away with paying low tax and can hide their money in the Caiman islands or Jersey.

the queen does pay tax now but it’s on money she is given of the tax payers she should be made to pay the back tax aswell better still get rid of the monarchy and tbh iv never seen a 70 yrold behind a till but I do agree the super rich shaft the system and loopholes but every government promises to close them but never do "

Don't know how this became about the monarchy but those of you against them really should do a cost profit analysis on them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered.

Funny how we are obsessed with house prices and what they are doing every month but nobody seems to be appalled at the disgraceful pensions we have in the UK compared to our neighbours.

I’d personally prefer a system where people can rely on a decent pension and regular income than on the price of their house, the money they make when they downsize or the inheritance they need to get on the property ladder... However while pensions may be lower, taxation is also lower compared to any other European country. Consequently people can use the savings in taxation to invest in their own pension scheme should they wish. The current tax relief on pension contributions is very generous . If people want a decent pension , they have to save and invest throughout their entire working life. Funding of pensions is probably one of the biggest problems we face in the future

Same for ultra rich people who get away with paying low tax and can hide their money in the Caiman islands or Jersey.

"
How about accepting that people are not brainwashed and maybe capable of making their own decisions as to what is best for society. An 80 seat majority at the last general election is a clear endorsement of what people want. We are not all jealous or resentful of those who are more successfull than us . It is rather insulting to refer to the newspaper industry as the publisher of rags. I have yet to see any stories which refer to people as scroungers. It may be that you do not read the publications to which you refer and have been misinformed of their content by other people. In any event peoples decisions are influenced by lots of difference sources including work colleagues , television and events which may have happened to them in the past. Newspapers tend to present facts and people can subsequently make their own decisions .

Increasing taxes may potentially mean that we collect less tax and drive away high earners. Companies have a choice as to where they wish to locate their business. Amazon, Google and eBay provide vital services and the people whom they employ or those who use their services will be paying tax. If they are required to pay extra tax it will lead to the end consumer having to pay more for their services .

Your claim about wanting to pay more tax is an interesting one as most people want to minimise their personal tax liability and allow others to pay more tax. If you really want to pay additional tax , could you not just make an additional payment to HMRC or not claim some of the allowances to which you are entitled .

With regards to employees over 70 working in supermarkets , this can only be a good thing. It keeps people fit and action. I chat to a number of super market check out staff over 70 , and they are working because they enjoy being active and doing something positive.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered.

Funny how we are obsessed with house prices and what they are doing every month but nobody seems to be appalled at the disgraceful pensions we have in the UK compared to our neighbours.

I’d personally prefer a system where people can rely on a decent pension and regular income than on the price of their house, the money they make when they downsize or the inheritance they need to get on the property ladder... However while pensions may be lower, taxation is also lower compared to any other European country. Consequently people can use the savings in taxation to invest in their own pension scheme should they wish. The current tax relief on pension contributions is very generous . If people want a decent pension , they have to save and invest throughout their entire working life. Funding of pensions is probably one of the biggest problems we face in the future

Same for ultra rich people who get away with paying low tax and can hide their money in the Caiman islands or Jersey.

Don't know how this became about the monarchy but those of you against them really should do a cost profit analysis on them

Or just do what the French did

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered.

Funny how we are obsessed with house prices and what they are doing every month but nobody seems to be appalled at the disgraceful pensions we have in the UK compared to our neighbours.

I’d personally prefer a system where people can rely on a decent pension and regular income than on the price of their house, the money they make when they downsize or the inheritance they need to get on the property ladder... However while pensions may be lower, taxation is also lower compared to any other European country. Consequently people can use the savings in taxation to invest in their own pension scheme should they wish. The current tax relief on pension contributions is very generous . If people want a decent pension , they have to save and invest throughout their entire working life. Funding of pensions is probably one of the biggest problems we face in the future

Same for ultra rich people who get away with paying low tax and can hide their money in the Caiman islands or Jersey.

Don't know how this became about the monarchy but those of you against them really should do a cost profit analysis on them

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered.

Funny how we are obsessed with house prices and what they are doing every month but nobody seems to be appalled at the disgraceful pensions we have in the UK compared to our neighbours.

I’d personally prefer a system where people can rely on a decent pension and regular income than on the price of their house, the money they make when they downsize or the inheritance they need to get on the property ladder... However while pensions may be lower, taxation is also lower compared to any other European country. Consequently people can use the savings in taxation to invest in their own pension scheme should they wish. The current tax relief on pension contributions is very generous . If people want a decent pension , they have to save and invest throughout their entire working life. Funding of pensions is probably one of the biggest problems we face in the future

Same for ultra rich people who get away with paying low tax and can hide their money in the Caiman islands or Jersey.

How about accepting that people are not brainwashed and maybe capable of making their own decisions as to what is best for society. An 80 seat majority at the last general election is a clear endorsement of what people want. We are not all jealous or resentful of those who are more successfull than us . It is rather insulting to refer to the newspaper industry as the publisher of rags. I have yet to see any stories which refer to people as scroungers. It may be that you do not read the publications to which you refer and have been misinformed of their content by other people. In any event peoples decisions are influenced by lots of difference sources including work colleagues , television and events which may have happened to them in the past. Newspapers tend to present facts and people can subsequently make their own decisions .

You have yet to see newspaper articles about scroungers?

Serously?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Genuine question..what did Thatcher achieve?

Atlee..welfare state

Blair.. good Friday agreement

Churchill ww2

Thatcher?

I'm genuinely curious.

If you are genuinely curious you could watch the BBC2 5 part series, Thatcher: A Very British Revolution. It’s available on the BBC iPlayer.

Is it balanced?"

Watch it and you decide.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

So..austerity has stripped every public service to the bone,kids are going hungry and some working and paid that much of a pittance they have to go to a foodbank.

Meanwhile it's perfectly acceptable for the right to hold us to random..so they pay as least tax as possible.

Seems reasonable.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered.

Funny how we are obsessed with house prices and what they are doing every month but nobody seems to be appalled at the disgraceful pensions we have in the UK compared to our neighbours.

I’d personally prefer a system where people can rely on a decent pension and regular income than on the price of their house, the money they make when they downsize or the inheritance they need to get on the property ladder... However while pensions may be lower, taxation is also lower compared to any other European country. Consequently people can use the savings in taxation to invest in their own pension scheme should they wish. The current tax relief on pension contributions is very generous . If people want a decent pension , they have to save and invest throughout their entire working life. Funding of pensions is probably one of the biggest problems we face in the future

Same for ultra rich people who get away with paying low tax and can hide their money in the Caiman islands or Jersey.

Don't know how this became about the monarchy but those of you against them really should do a cost profit analysis on them

I don’t care much about the actual cost profit to be honest but symbolically the monarchy sums everything up. They are the perfect symbol of social injustice and inequality. People who are loaded by birth and without having to do anything to be wealthy. Symbolically, it’s completely wrong. Of course, the whole show attracts tourists etc... it doesn’t make monarchy any more acceptable to me. And then some people talk to us about taking back control and democracy... "
when ppl say they attract the tourists and that pays for itself I just think of newyork Paris Madrid barcelona rome Venice Amsterdam all the big city’s across the world without a queen they seem to do ok for tourists is the queen really all the U.K. as to offer and the only reason ppl come to the U.K. then

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered.

Funny how we are obsessed with house prices and what they are doing every month but nobody seems to be appalled at the disgraceful pensions we have in the UK compared to our neighbours.

I’d personally prefer a system where people can rely on a decent pension and regular income than on the price of their house, the money they make when they downsize or the inheritance they need to get on the property ladder... However while pensions may be lower, taxation is also lower compared to any other European country. Consequently people can use the savings in taxation to invest in their own pension scheme should they wish. The current tax relief on pension contributions is very generous . If people want a decent pension , they have to save and invest throughout their entire working life. Funding of pensions is probably one of the biggest problems we face in the future

Same for ultra rich people who get away with paying low tax and can hide their money in the Caiman islands or Jersey.

Don't know how this became about the monarchy but those of you against them really should do a cost profit analysis on them

I don’t care much about the actual cost profit to be honest but symbolically the monarchy sums everything up. They are the perfect symbol of social injustice and inequality. People who are loaded by birth and without having to do anything to be wealthy. Symbolically, it’s completely wrong. Of course, the whole show attracts tourists etc... it doesn’t make monarchy any more acceptable to me. And then some people talk to us about taking back control and democracy... when ppl say they attract the tourists and that pays for itself I just think of newyork Paris Madrid barcelona rome Venice Amsterdam all the big city’s across the world without a queen they seem to do ok for tourists is the queen really all the U.K. as to offer and the only reason ppl come to the U.K. then "

Its bollocks.

It's not like they meet the queen when they come here

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered.

Funny how we are obsessed with house prices and what they are doing every month but nobody seems to be appalled at the disgraceful pensions we have in the UK compared to our neighbours.

I’d personally prefer a system where people can rely on a decent pension and regular income than on the price of their house, the money they make when they downsize or the inheritance they need to get on the property ladder... However while pensions may be lower, taxation is also lower compared to any other European country. Consequently people can use the savings in taxation to invest in their own pension scheme should they wish. The current tax relief on pension contributions is very generous . If people want a decent pension , they have to save and invest throughout their entire working life. Funding of pensions is probably one of the biggest problems we face in the future

Same for ultra rich people who get away with paying low tax and can hide their money in the Caiman islands or Jersey.

Don't know how this became about the monarchy but those of you against them really should do a cost profit analysis on them

Or just do what the French did"

I’m all for that. It would also send a message to Rees Mogg or Ian Duncan Smith etc These scums are even worse than the monarchy.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless."

Why was the Falklands war pointless?

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless?"
because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell "

So armed aggression is acceptable

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell "

Give them both independence more like. The Falklands never really belonged to Argentina and Gibraltar has belonged to others longer than it ever belonged to Spain.

It would solve a lot of issues if they were free entities.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable"
not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?"

The people of the Falklands wanted to stay British and voted for just that hence why it remains British. This was not the case in India ect. If the people should change and vote for either to be independent or part of another country then it can change. The war was because a other country wanted to force the change despite the wishes of the population

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless?"

Because it could have been avoided?

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?"

Indeed I am

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am"

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised."

As you say that was our imperialist past like many European countries.The population made their feelings clear on the matter of staying British in a vote. Argentina used force to try and change this. If they had not then no war would have occurred

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable. "

What plan of action would you have took?

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

What plan of action would you have took? "

The americans were offering to mediate and would have pressure on Argentina.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

What plan of action would you have took?

The americans were offering to mediate and would have pressure on Argentina.

I’m not so sure that would have worked with a military dictatorship that’s favourite pastime was throwing left wing enemies out of helicopters.

They needed to appear strong and backing down would have brought about their end. Just like the war did.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable. "

He did sit on the fence at the start and American mediators tried to negotiate but after every meeting Argentina went back on their commitments immediately. Eventually after the US pressure and negotiations failed he backed Britain. As I say it could have been avoided if Argentina had not invaded

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

What plan of action would you have took?

The americans were offering to mediate and would have pressure on Argentina.

I’m not so sure that would have worked with a military dictatorship that’s favourite pastime was throwing left wing enemies out of helicopters.

They needed to appear strong and backing down would have brought about their end. Just like the war did.

So a 30 year conflict with nationalists who were prepared to stave themselves to death was able to be brought to an end ,but a conflict mediated by one of the world's superpowers was inevitable?

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

Why were the americans...our closest allies furious with thatcher then?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

What plan of action would you have took?

The americans were offering to mediate and would have pressure on Argentina.

I’m not so sure that would have worked with a military dictatorship that’s favourite pastime was throwing left wing enemies out of helicopters.

They needed to appear strong and backing down would have brought about their end. Just like the war did.

So a 30 year conflict with nationalists who were prepared to stave themselves to death was able to be brought to an end ,but a conflict mediated by one of the world's superpowers was inevitable?"

Not inevitable but we don’t really know do we.

We can second guess all we like with hypotheticals.

Some people say Reagan was paying lip service to mediate because war was good for business and his relationship was with Maggie was strong.

Have you heard of a Military Dictatorship backing down and withdrawing from an invaded territory after “mediation”

It’s academic anyway. The Falklands remain an overseas territory and will probably remain that way.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

Why were the americans...our closest allies furious with thatcher then?"

The then American Secretary of state was not keen on taking sides and tried to mediate and put pressure on Argentina. This failed and America decided to back Britain. They even offered aircraft carriers if needed

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

Why were the americans...our closest allies furious with thatcher then?

And provided the Uk with intelligence and munitions probably at a nice mark up.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

Why were the americans...our closest allies furious with thatcher then?

Reagan..urged restraint to Thatcher 3 times and was ignored.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Anyway

Looks like Thatcher is the outright leader.

Never had the pleasure of her Prime ministership.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Anyway

Looks like Thatcher is the outright leader.

Never had the pleasure of her Prime ministership. "

Count yourself lucky.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

Why were the americans...our closest allies furious with thatcher then?

Reagan..urged restraint to Thatcher 3 times and was ignored."

Then offered aircraft carriers

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

Why were the americans...our closest allies furious with thatcher then?

Reagan..urged restraint to Thatcher 3 times and was ignored.

Then offered aircraft carriers"

Which they got paid for.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Anyway

Looks like Thatcher is the outright leader.

Never had the pleasure of her Prime ministership.

Count yourself lucky."

I don’t understand then if she was so bad? Then why does she seem so popular even in this thread it’s plain to see.

Has she and her the politics personally affected the course of your life in a detrimental fashion? You seem to have a strong opinion on her and her fellow Torys.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Anyway

Looks like Thatcher is the outright leader.

Never had the pleasure of her Prime ministership.

Count yourself lucky.

I don’t understand then if she was so bad? Then why does she seem so popular even in this thread it’s plain to see.

Has she and her the politics personally affected the course of your life in a detrimental fashion? You seem to have a strong opinion on her and her fellow Torys.

Google liverpool managed decline Thatcher

Or google liverpool Thatcher

Enjoy.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Anyway

Looks like Thatcher is the outright leader.

Never had the pleasure of her Prime ministership.

Count yourself lucky.

I don’t understand then if she was so bad? Then why does she seem so popular even in this thread it’s plain to see.

Has she and her the politics personally affected the course of your life in a detrimental fashion? You seem to have a strong opinion on her and her fellow Torys.

Google liverpool managed decline Thatcher

Or google liverpool Thatcher

Enjoy."

Sounds grim reading. Shame as when I went to Liverpool it looked rather vibrant.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered.

Funny how we are obsessed with house prices and what they are doing every month but nobody seems to be appalled at the disgraceful pensions we have in the UK compared to our neighbours.

I’d personally prefer a system where people can rely on a decent pension and regular income than on the price of their house, the money they make when they downsize or the inheritance they need to get on the property ladder... However while pensions may be lower, taxation is also lower compared to any other European country. Consequently people can use the savings in taxation to invest in their own pension scheme should they wish. The current tax relief on pension contributions is very generous . If people want a decent pension , they have to save and invest throughout their entire working life. Funding of pensions is probably one of the biggest problems we face in the future

Same for ultra rich people who get away with paying low tax and can hide their money in the Caiman islands or Jersey.

Newspapers print facts that’s so funny!,

The mail solely concentrated on negative press and never gave a balanced view. All immigrants from Europe were scrounges . Fact 95% came to the UK to work. We have plenty of our own “scrounges” born and bred right here in the U.K.

my own view is benefits are totally unbalanced and should be increased in certain areas but cut in others.

Regarding tax. My father paid 83% in the 70s and was unable to escape other than through pension relief. As you say rich people left including rock stars because they could.

The reason the rich U.K. want out of EU is that the EU are aligning tax so you pay in the country you earn profits. Which is how it should be.

We let the owner of the Daily mail claim he’s not a resident so doesn’t pay tax even though his income is in the UK. Add to this hundreds of other major owners paying no income tax and the result is the average PAYE earner pays for everything like the NHS while the rich pay for a new yacht .

The major corporations will just pay less dividends and their share price won’t be so obscene. They will have no need to increase prices. Pension investments in those shares will be more balanced and will result in less commission for bankers to be able to extract interest.

The system favours the rich and needs re-balancing.

Investing in a pension is wise but interest rates are too low to get any benefit.

The pension liability in the civil service from years ago is going to hurt us all. The low earners in the civil service get bugger all but the higher earners get far to much of a share compared to their payments.

The system is wrong and needs sharing out. No one should have to work at 70 they should be able to afford a life that stimulates them not a job!

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Anyway

Looks like Thatcher is the outright leader.

Never had the pleasure of her Prime ministership.

Count yourself lucky.

I don’t understand then if she was so bad? Then why does she seem so popular even in this thread it’s plain to see.

Has she and her the politics personally affected the course of your life in a detrimental fashion? You seem to have a strong opinion on her and her fellow Torys.

Google liverpool managed decline Thatcher

Or google liverpool Thatcher

Enjoy.

Sounds grim reading. Shame as when I went to Liverpool it looked rather vibrant. "

Better still watch boys from the black stuff.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

I find it hard to believe that you can live in this country and not believe benefit claimants are not stigmatised.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

Why were the americans...our closest allies furious with thatcher then?

Reagan..urged restraint to Thatcher 3 times and was ignored.

Then offered aircraft carriers

Which they got paid for."

Incorrect. They were offered but as it turned out not needed as thankfully Britain did not loose either of its own carriers

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"Tony Blair had the police force turning coach loads of pensioners back from the "stop the war protest" going down south.. that's not exactly bringing people together

Did you notice that word I used..initially?

You passed no comment on the others?

The 50s and 60s were characterized as a time when both major parties were committed to things like full employment.

She shat all over that.

No I think they are evil cunts.

I've kept quiet on here but I'm surprised so many have put Thatcher as top.

I'm genuinely curious as to what she actually achieved though.

Btw I didnt say they were islamphobies.

I posted a link to a study which had revealed institutional racism in the party.

What about 'right to buy'.

A very popular policy that gave thousands the opportunity to actually own the house they lived in.

Couldnt put it better myself.

It also meant social housing was seen as less desirable.

It also paved the way for the age of consumerusmwhich ended with that economic crash of 87.

And resulted in a situation now where young people cannot afford a place of their own.

Consecutive governments both labour and conservative have both pushed higher house prices as that’s where our economy could crash.

Did anyone notice the push to support 5% deposits.

That’s going to keep house prices higher, if less people buy houses the value drops therefore our value as an economy drops.

Boris and Co. know this as did Blair and a Thatcher So yes let’s show how much we’re going to help buyers and keep prices artificially high.

Only way to have affordable homes is to build more but tell me a government that had really bothered.

Funny how we are obsessed with house prices and what they are doing every month but nobody seems to be appalled at the disgraceful pensions we have in the UK compared to our neighbours.

I’d personally prefer a system where people can rely on a decent pension and regular income than on the price of their house, the money they make when they downsize or the inheritance they need to get on the property ladder... However while pensions may be lower, taxation is also lower compared to any other European country. Consequently people can use the savings in taxation to invest in their own pension scheme should they wish. The current tax relief on pension contributions is very generous . If people want a decent pension , they have to save and invest throughout their entire working life. Funding of pensions is probably one of the biggest problems we face in the future

Same for ultra rich people who get away with paying low tax and can hide their money in the Caiman islands or Jersey.

Newspapers print facts that’s so funny!,

my own view is benefits are totally unbalanced and should be increased in certain areas but cut in others.

Regarding tax. My father paid 83% in the 70s and was unable to escape other than through pension relief. As you say rich people left including rock stars because they could.

The reason the rich U.K. want out of EU is that the EU are aligning tax so you pay in the country you earn profits. Which is how it should be.

The system favours the rich and needs re-balancing.

Investing in a pension is wise but interest rates are too low to get any benefit.

The system is wrong and needs sharing out. No one should have to work at 70 they should be able to afford a life that stimulates them not a job! "

I can spell scrounger honest !!

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

Why were the americans...our closest allies furious with thatcher then?

Reagan..urged restraint to Thatcher 3 times and was ignored.

Then offered aircraft carriers

Which they got paid for.

Incorrect. They were offered but as it turned out not needed as thankfully Britain did not loose either of its own carriers"

The US never offered aircraft carriers, rather an amphibious assault ship (think it was the USS Guam) IF AND ONLY IF, one of our two was destroyed. Thankfully, we never needed it.

The Americans moved one of their satellites from Russia to the South Atlantic, so that we could get intelligence. They also let us have supplies of Sidewinder air to air missles, and a stock of mortar bombs.

However, their single biggest act of aiding us, was to divert a tanker to Ascension Island, and refilling the oil bunkering tanks there, much needed for refueling our ships and planes.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

I personally think someone like thatcher was needed to sort the mess of the country being run by unions and the just as bad company management.

We were the sick man of Europe.

Yes she cut taxes but I did well out of the boom that followed so can’t really complain.

She nailed Scargill but went too far destroying the mining communities .

She didn’t need to do that and we could have used the coal even if it was more expensive than imported. It would have kept uk workers and communities.

Everyone bangs on about the poll tax . When it was first discussed the cost was estimated at I believe £60 per person but by the time it came in to effect council taxes had in some cases tripled . So the effect was it went from £60 to £200 pounds each. That was too much to stomach so lots of protesting.

Mrs thatcher was actually not keen on the poll tax but her ministers were so she supported it.

Her obsession with banking and the service economy resulted in boom for London but she didn’t support the reformed manufacturing industries as they freed themselves from old fashioned working practices.

She failed miserably the blue collar workers of this country. Our heavy industry was left to die.

Own your own home great but what about the shortage of council houses after that? No plan.

She was a strong leader which we needed and to be honest came along at the right time. I just think she only focused on certain things not the whole economy. The approach was blinkered.

I read a comment earlier about her not doing anything in Northern Ireland. That’s not true as she got nasty with the terrorists by using special forces an example of which was the fuck up in Gibraltar. She got them at least nervous and slightly on the run whilst thinking about talking well before Major and Blair.

She wasn’t perfect but she was of her time and we needed her to stop us sinking into the abyss. She just didn’t share the benefits across the U.K.

The north south divide grew a lot!

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

After the horrors of the 2nd world war the gmnt vowed to create a more equal fairer society .its no exaggeration to say she destroyed that.

There is no such thing as society

The enemy within etc

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

Why were the americans...our closest allies furious with thatcher then?

Reagan..urged restraint to Thatcher 3 times and was ignored.

Then offered aircraft carriers

Which they got paid for.

Incorrect. They were offered but as it turned out not needed as thankfully Britain did not loose either of its own carriers

The US never offered aircraft carriers, rather an amphibious assault ship (think it was the USS Guam) IF AND ONLY IF, one of our two was destroyed. Thankfully, we never needed it.

However, their single biggest act of aiding us, was to divert a tanker to Ascension Island, and refilling the oil bunkering tanks there, much needed for refueling our ships and planes. "

The accounts I read was aircraft carriers and on several places. Having aircraft carriers was vital and the royal navy already had amphibious landing ships in the task force. The munitions and intelligence was also correctly mentioned by another poster. These are not the actions of a country that were furious with us as claimed further up

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

Why were the americans...our closest allies furious with thatcher then?

Reagan..urged restraint to Thatcher 3 times and was ignored.

Then offered aircraft carriers

Which they got paid for.

Incorrect. They were offered but as it turned out not needed as thankfully Britain did not loose either of its own carriers

The US never offered aircraft carriers, rather an amphibious assault ship (think it was the USS Guam) IF AND ONLY IF, one of our two was destroyed. Thankfully, we never needed it.

However, their single biggest act of aiding us, was to divert a tanker to Ascension Island, and refilling the oil bunkering tanks there, much needed for refueling our ships and planes.

It was printed in the NY times and came from official gmnt documents published in 2012 after the 30 year rule had elapsed.

So bullshit obviously

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"After the horrors of the 2nd world war the gmnt vowed to create a more equal fairer society .its no exaggeration to say she destroyed that.

There is no such thing as society

The enemy within etc"

I think that fairer society had its best best chance after the war but to do it justice we needed to reform the political system and downgrade our royal family to destroy our class system which has held us back forever.

Wilson Heath and Callahan we’re useless at defeating the unions. We couldn’t carry on with power cuts etc.

Thatcher was planning Scargill’s demise well before she came to power. I know that for a fact. It’s all wrong.

I don’t think she destroyed the equal society I think the unions and the class system did that all by themselves. She slowed the rot but couldn’t fix our out of date structure of government.

We all know it’s crap but we do nothing. At least the French had a go.

Our education system should follow Germany’s no grammars but streaming in the same school,. So there’s no stigma if you go for practical courses over academic. They all count equally.

Again our class system blinds us to making education better. Poor people complain private schools aren’t available to them whereas rich elite don’t want smarter kids attending their school if daddy doesn’t drive a Bently.

The class system starts with the Queen so sorry royalty has to go. ( after queen dies as she’s.been amazing) Then the lords will follow to be replaced by an elected house not filled with a rich donors of either party.

No more back scratching .

If you’re an MP you get a decent wage and we build apartments for you to stay in whilst you’re in London, (if their constituency is outside of London). No second homes as they live in their constituency and visit London as part of their job.

I know I’m dreaming but maybe one day.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"After the horrors of the 2nd world war the gmnt vowed to create a more equal fairer society .its no exaggeration to say she destroyed that.

There is no such thing as society

The enemy within etc

Wilson Heath and Callahan we’re useless at defeating the unions. We couldn’t carry on with power cuts etc.

Thatcher was planning Scargill’s demise well before she came to power. I know that for a fact. It’s all wrong.

I don’t think she destroyed the equal society I think the unions and the class system did that all by themselves. She slowed the rot but couldn’t fix our out of date structure of government.

We all know it’s crap but we do nothing. At least the French had a go.

Our education system should follow Germany’s no grammars but streaming in the same school,. So there’s no stigma if you go for practical courses over academic. They all count equally.

No more back scratching .

I know I’m dreaming but maybe one day.

Disagree with the unions.

They may have got too big for their boots but a more moderate leader would have got them round the table.

She wanted to physically destroy them and she got the criminals in the south Yorkshire police to do it for her.

Thanks to her we probally have one of the weakest unions representation in europe

Compare us to germany where the unions and gmnt work together.

She thrived on devsion

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

Why were the americans...our closest allies furious with thatcher then?

Reagan..urged restraint to Thatcher 3 times and was ignored.

Then offered aircraft carriers

Which they got paid for.

Incorrect. They were offered but as it turned out not needed as thankfully Britain did not loose either of its own carriers

The US never offered aircraft carriers, rather an amphibious assault ship (think it was the USS Guam) IF AND ONLY IF, one of our two was destroyed. Thankfully, we never needed it.

However, their single biggest act of aiding us, was to divert a tanker to Ascension Island, and refilling the oil bunkering tanks there, much needed for refueling our ships and planes.

It was printed in the NY times and came from official gmnt documents published in 2012 after the 30 year rule had elapsed.

So bullshit obviously "

I did not say it was Bill shut I said the ship offered differed to the reports I had read. I agreed with the other posters about the military hardware and intelligence. Odd behaviour seeing as apparently they were furious with us. Also the fact remains it was not a pointless war

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

Why were the americans...our closest allies furious with thatcher then?

Reagan..urged restraint to Thatcher 3 times and was ignored.

Then offered aircraft carriers

Which they got paid for.

Incorrect. They were offered but as it turned out not needed as thankfully Britain did not loose either of its own carriers

The US never offered aircraft carriers, rather an amphibious assault ship (think it was the USS Guam) IF AND ONLY IF, one of our two was destroyed. Thankfully, we never needed it.

However, their single biggest act of aiding us, was to divert a tanker to Ascension Island, and refilling the oil bunkering tanks there, much needed for refueling our ships and planes.

It was printed in the NY times and came from official gmnt documents published in 2012 after the 30 year rule had elapsed.

So bullshit obviously

The actual headline reads 'papers show rare friction between reagan and Thatcher '

The facts are there for everyone to see.

The fact that they offered us warships once the conflict began meant that it was a necessary and unavoidable conflict?

Only in your imagination.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

Why were the americans...our closest allies furious with thatcher then?

Reagan..urged restraint to Thatcher 3 times and was ignored.

Then offered aircraft carriers

Which they got paid for.

Incorrect. They were offered but as it turned out not needed as thankfully Britain did not loose either of its own carriers

The US never offered aircraft carriers, rather an amphibious assault ship (think it was the USS Guam) IF AND ONLY IF, one of our two was destroyed. Thankfully, we never needed it.

However, their single biggest act of aiding us, was to divert a tanker to Ascension Island, and refilling the oil bunkering tanks there, much needed for refueling our ships and planes.

It was printed in the NY times and came from official gmnt documents published in 2012 after the 30 year rule had elapsed.

So bullshit obviously

The actual headline reads 'papers show rare friction between reagan and Thatcher '

The facts are there for everyone to see.

The fact that they offered us warships once the conflict began meant that it was a necessary and unavoidable conflict?

Only in your imagination.

It could have been avoided if Argentina had not invaded or had withdrawn whilst the ship's were on their way. British territory had been invaded and British people put under the rule of another country. More than enough reason.

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over a year ago

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

Why were the americans...our closest allies furious with thatcher then?

Reagan..urged restraint to Thatcher 3 times and was ignored.

Then offered aircraft carriers

Which they got paid for.

Incorrect. They were offered but as it turned out not needed as thankfully Britain did not loose either of its own carriers

The US never offered aircraft carriers, rather an amphibious assault ship (think it was the USS Guam) IF AND ONLY IF, one of our two was destroyed. Thankfully, we never needed it.

However, their single biggest act of aiding us, was to divert a tanker to Ascension Island, and refilling the oil bunkering tanks there, much needed for refueling our ships and planes.

It was printed in the NY times and came from official gmnt documents published in 2012 after the 30 year rule had elapsed.

So bullshit obviously

The actual headline reads 'papers show rare friction between reagan and Thatcher '

The facts are there for everyone to see.

The fact that they offered us warships once the conflict began meant that it was a necessary and unavoidable conflict?

Only in your imagination.

Honestly speaking, do you think any of the above was on Thatchers mind when she was authorising the military action on the Falklands?

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

liverpool

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

Why were the americans...our closest allies furious with thatcher then?

Reagan..urged restraint to Thatcher 3 times and was ignored.

Then offered aircraft carriers

Which they got paid for.

Incorrect. They were offered but as it turned out not needed as thankfully Britain did not loose either of its own carriers

The US never offered aircraft carriers, rather an amphibious assault ship (think it was the USS Guam) IF AND ONLY IF, one of our two was destroyed. Thankfully, we never needed it.

However, their single biggest act of aiding us, was to divert a tanker to Ascension Island, and refilling the oil bunkering tanks there, much needed for refueling our ships and planes.

It was printed in the NY times and came from official gmnt documents published in 2012 after the 30 year rule had elapsed.

So bullshit obviously

The actual headline reads 'papers show rare friction between reagan and Thatcher '

The facts are there for everyone to see.

The fact that they offered us warships once the conflict began meant that it was a necessary and unavoidable conflict?

Only in your imagination.

And it could have been avoided if we would have agreed with the Americans.

Which I grant you makes a chance as we normally come running when they whistle.

Most wars are avoidable but there is also a reason they are faught.The Falklands was no exemption.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

Why were the americans...our closest allies furious with thatcher then?

Reagan..urged restraint to Thatcher 3 times and was ignored.

Then offered aircraft carriers

Which they got paid for.

Incorrect. They were offered but as it turned out not needed as thankfully Britain did not loose either of its own carriers

The US never offered aircraft carriers, rather an amphibious assault ship (think it was the USS Guam) IF AND ONLY IF, one of our two was destroyed. Thankfully, we never needed it.

However, their single biggest act of aiding us, was to divert a tanker to Ascension Island, and refilling the oil bunkering tanks there, much needed for refueling our ships and planes.

It was printed in the NY times and came from official gmnt documents published in 2012 after the 30 year rule had elapsed.

So bullshit obviously

The actual headline reads 'papers show rare friction between reagan and Thatcher '

The facts are there for everyone to see.

The fact that they offered us warships once the conflict began meant that it was a necessary and unavoidable conflict?

Only in your imagination.

And it could have been avoided if we would have agreed with the Americans.

Which I grant you makes a chance as we normally come running when they whistle.

Most wars are avoidable but there is also a reason they are faught.The Falklands was no exemption. "

You seem to ignore the fact it could have been avoided if Argentina had not invaded. They were the cause not Britain.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

Why were the americans...our closest allies furious with thatcher then?

Reagan..urged restraint to Thatcher 3 times and was ignored.

Then offered aircraft carriers

Which they got paid for.

Incorrect. They were offered but as it turned out not needed as thankfully Britain did not loose either of its own carriers

The US never offered aircraft carriers, rather an amphibious assault ship (think it was the USS Guam) IF AND ONLY IF, one of our two was destroyed. Thankfully, we never needed it.

However, their single biggest act of aiding us, was to divert a tanker to Ascension Island, and refilling the oil bunkering tanks there, much needed for refueling our ships and planes.

It was printed in the NY times and came from official gmnt documents published in 2012 after the 30 year rule had elapsed.

So bullshit obviously

The actual headline reads 'papers show rare friction between reagan and Thatcher '

The facts are there for everyone to see.

The fact that they offered us warships once the conflict began meant that it was a necessary and unavoidable conflict?

Only in your imagination.

Honestly speaking, do you think any of the above was on Thatchers mind when she was authorising the military action on the Falklands?"

British territory had been invaded and it needed to be addressed. Would Russia or America or France ect accept another country invading its territory

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"After the horrors of the 2nd world war the gmnt vowed to create a more equal fairer society .its no exaggeration to say she destroyed that.

There is no such thing as society

The enemy within etc

Wilson Heath and Callahan we’re useless at defeating the unions. We couldn’t carry on with power cuts etc.

Thatcher was planning Scargill’s demise well before she came to power. I know that for a fact. It’s all wrong.

I don’t think she destroyed the equal society I think the unions and the class system did that all by themselves. She slowed the rot but couldn’t fix our out of date structure of government.

We all know it’s crap but we do nothing. At least the French had a go.

Our education system should follow Germany’s no grammars but streaming in the same school,. So there’s no stigma if you go for practical courses over academic. They all count equally.

No more back scratching .

I know I’m dreaming but maybe one day.

Disagree with the unions.

They may have got too big for their boots but a more moderate leader would have got them round the table.

She wanted to physically destroy them and she got the criminals in the south Yorkshire police to do it for her.

Thanks to her we probally have one of the weakest unions representation in europe

Compare us to germany where the unions and gmnt work together.

She thrived on devsion

I agree she set out to destroy the unions and get revenge for them bringing gown Heath. We both agree the unions needed bringing into line.

I also agree we should have representatives of staff on boards as the Germans do. It makes a belligerent shop steward fully aware of the economic reality of just demanding more money isn’t the answer every time.

I remember being held to ransom by Liverpool dockers demanding cash off me to do their job . They were bullet proof.

The police came from all over the country not just South Yorkshire and were accommodated in holiday camps on the east coast. They were happy as Larry getting massive overtime and being given free reign to get stuck in.

Scargill was set up and true to form thought he was invincible.

Sadly for him the Tories had been stockpiling coal at the power stations waiting for him to fuck up .going on strike without a vote was the moment they had been waiting for.

The miners were fighting for their livelihoods and communities but sadly lead by a belligerent thug.

So a more moderate leader on both sides would have helped. The communities were devastated by the personal feelings of each side’s leaders. Disgusting.

Her biggest failure for this country was just focusing on the city which was the start of the divided haves and have nots in this country.

The bankers have just got richer and greedier every year. Their incomes are out of all relation to what they do. One thing is they contribute a big tax take which with Brexit looks to be greatly reducing.

So yes I agree she got a lot wrong but she did act rather that just talking about doing stuff.

I personally think John Smith was going to be the best prime minister and he would have had my vote.

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By *ionelhutz OP Man
over a year ago

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"Best Thatcher ( only because she was the last P.M to have any balls!)..

Worst Blair..should be in prison for war crimes...

Could have been..David Milliband..

Yeah thank God Thatcher didnt get involved into any pointless wars.

Which wars that she was involved in were pointless

Falklands?

She certainly didnt improve the situation in northern Ireland

Most wars are pointless.

Why was the Falklands war pointless? because there the othe side of the world of the coast of Argentina give them back and Gibraltar aswell

So armed aggression is acceptable not stall but owning an island thousands of miles away isn’t acceptable either should we still own India hongkong Malta ?

You are aware of our imperial past I presume?

Indeed I am

So it's not really the case that when countries wanted their independence..we simply acquised.

Even Reagan was urging restraint.

Thatcher decided to press ahead resulting in the loss of 100s of lives.

The fact that her popularity was at an all time low was entirely coincidental of course.

The war was totally avoidable.

Why were the americans...our closest allies furious with thatcher then?

Reagan..urged restraint to Thatcher 3 times and was ignored.

Then offered aircraft carriers

Which they got paid for.

Incorrect. They were offered but as it turned out not needed as thankfully Britain did not loose either of its own carriers

The US never offered aircraft carriers, rather an amphibious assault ship (think it was the USS Guam) IF AND ONLY IF, one of our two was destroyed. Thankfully, we never needed it.

However, their single biggest act of aiding us, was to divert a tanker to Ascension Island, and refilling the oil bunkering tanks there, much needed for refueling our ships and planes.

It was printed in the NY times and came from official gmnt documents published in 2012 after the 30 year rule had elapsed.

So bullshit obviously

The actual headline reads 'papers show rare friction between reagan and Thatcher '

The facts are there for everyone to see.

The fact that they offered us warships once the conflict began meant that it was a necessary and unavoidable conflict?

Only in your imagination.

Honestly speaking, do you think any of the above was on Thatchers mind when she was authorising the military action on the Falklands?

British territory had been invaded and it needed to be addressed. Would Russia or America or France ect accept another country invading its territory"

Do Russia or france own colonies 1000s of miles away?

If they did you could hazard a guess what are reaction would be.