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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.." Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.." just working my way thru the story now... wow..... it shows how indebted he is... why explains why he never wanted to release them... by doesn't answer "who he is debted to now.... | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant." If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time." And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem." It's a forum where people discuss such things. That's rather the point. If you just come in to say "not our problem", you might as well not bother. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem." This is a forum for discussion of politics, not British politics only. Continually telling people they're wrong to care about foreign politics is just being rude. We get it that that's your opinion. You don't need to post it on every topic. You're not going to convince anyone. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem. This is a forum for discussion of politics, not British politics only. Continually telling people they're wrong to care about foreign politics is just being rude. We get it that that's your opinion. You don't need to post it on every topic. You're not going to convince anyone." No it isn’t being rude, it practical, what is the point about sounding off about what is going on a country which is separated by Ocean, its quite pompous to think our opinions are really going to amount to anything, better we concentrate on what is here, were our opinions count at the ballot box. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem. This is a forum for discussion of politics, not British politics only. Continually telling people they're wrong to care about foreign politics is just being rude. We get it that that's your opinion. You don't need to post it on every topic. You're not going to convince anyone. No it isn’t being rude, it practical, what is the point about sounding off about what is going on a country which is separated by Ocean, its quite pompous to think our opinions are really going to amount to anything, better we concentrate on what is here, were our opinions count at the ballot box." And what's the point in you sounding off on topics you don't care about? Surely it's better to concentrate on topics that interest you. The irony. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem. This is a forum for discussion of politics, not British politics only. Continually telling people they're wrong to care about foreign politics is just being rude. We get it that that's your opinion. You don't need to post it on every topic. You're not going to convince anyone. No it isn’t being rude, it practical, what is the point about sounding off about what is going on a country which is separated by Ocean, its quite pompous to think our opinions are really going to amount to anything, better we concentrate on what is here, were our opinions count at the ballot box. And what's the point in you sounding off on topics you don't care about? Surely it's better to concentrate on topics that interest you. The irony." And the hypocrisy, oh woe is me!, I honestly think that UK affairs are more important then complaining about America, let them sort their own problems, | |||
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" No it isn’t being rude, it practical, what is the point about sounding off about what is going on a country which is separated by Ocean, its quite pompous to think our opinions are really going to amount to anything, better we concentrate on what is here, were our opinions count at the ballot box." yes it is being rude... to the point of trying to shut down and stifle any conversation on a topic that will mean a lot of thing to a lot of people.... its bordering on trolling to be perfectly honest!!! leave those people who do want to talk about it to talk about it.... and if you don't, which you have made clear in half a dozen different thread so far... then walk on by!!! | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem. This is a forum for discussion of politics, not British politics only. Continually telling people they're wrong to care about foreign politics is just being rude. We get it that that's your opinion. You don't need to post it on every topic. You're not going to convince anyone. No it isn’t being rude, it practical, what is the point about sounding off about what is going on a country which is separated by Ocean, its quite pompous to think our opinions are really going to amount to anything, better we concentrate on what is here, were our opinions count at the ballot box. And what's the point in you sounding off on topics you don't care about? Surely it's better to concentrate on topics that interest you. The irony. And the hypocrisy, oh woe is me!, I honestly think that UK affairs are more important then complaining about America, let them sort their own problems," The solution is very simple. You can stop commenting on a thread that plainly doesn't interest you. | |||
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"When's the 1st Trump/Biden debate? Oh it's gonna be fun now. "tuesday night...... but i think biden will have to be careful about how he attacks trump... trump is going to probably say there is a difference between tax avoidance (which isn't illegal) and tax evasion (which is!) biden can point to the fact that both he and his wife paid all their taxes in those years... but could also point out the tax system is skewed towards rich people, and that loopholes should be closed so that everyone is paying their share | |||
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"When's the 1st Trump/Biden debate? Oh it's gonna be fun now.
tuesday night......
but i think biden will have to be careful about how he attacks trump...
trump is going to probably say there is a difference between tax avoidance (which isn't illegal) and tax evasion (which is!)
biden can point to the fact that both he and his wife paid all their taxes in those years... but could also point out the tax system is skewed towards rich people, and that loopholes should be closed so that everyone is paying their share"When debating Hillary, Trump played it for laughs. Claiming not paying much tax made him smart. I don't think he'd get away with that approach anymore. I think there's too much anger now. | |||
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" No it isn’t being rude, it practical, what is the point about sounding off about what is going on a country which is separated by Ocean, its quite pompous to think our opinions are really going to amount to anything, better we concentrate on what is here, were our opinions count at the ballot box. yes it is being rude... to the point of trying to shut down and stifle any conversation on a topic that will mean a lot of thing to a lot of people.... its bordering on trolling to be perfectly honest!!! leave those people who do want to talk about it to talk about it.... and if you don't, which you have made clear in half a dozen different thread so far... then walk on by!!! " Hate via Debate is just plain hate, its a circular problem. I know you’re American and can empathise with your situation, but the situation in the USA is not something which can be remedied in this place, it just becomes a place where views become more entrenched whichever camp you support. The UK is where we are the issues here are what affect us more, I think we need to be more about what we can do on our own doorstep then what is happening miles away. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem. This is a forum for discussion of politics, not British politics only. Continually telling people they're wrong to care about foreign politics is just being rude. We get it that that's your opinion. You don't need to post it on every topic. You're not going to convince anyone. No it isn’t being rude, it practical, what is the point about sounding off about what is going on a country which is separated by Ocean, its quite pompous to think our opinions are really going to amount to anything, better we concentrate on what is here, were our opinions count at the ballot box. And what's the point in you sounding off on topics you don't care about? Surely it's better to concentrate on topics that interest you. The irony. And the hypocrisy, oh woe is me!, I honestly think that UK affairs are more important then complaining about America, let them sort their own problems, The solution is very simple. You can stop commenting on a thread that plainly doesn't interest you." America is its own problem, UK is our problem. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem. This is a forum for discussion of politics, not British politics only. Continually telling people they're wrong to care about foreign politics is just being rude. We get it that that's your opinion. You don't need to post it on every topic. You're not going to convince anyone. No it isn’t being rude, it practical, what is the point about sounding off about what is going on a country which is separated by Ocean, its quite pompous to think our opinions are really going to amount to anything, better we concentrate on what is here, were our opinions count at the ballot box. And what's the point in you sounding off on topics you don't care about? Surely it's better to concentrate on topics that interest you. The irony. And the hypocrisy, oh woe is me!, I honestly think that UK affairs are more important then complaining about America, let them sort their own problems, The solution is very simple. You can stop commenting on a thread that plainly doesn't interest you. America is its own problem, UK is our problem." It does feel like you're deliberately trying to stop or derail any politics threads that are not explicitly about the UK. Please stop doing this. Some people actually want to talk about these things. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem. This is a forum for discussion of politics, not British politics only. Continually telling people they're wrong to care about foreign politics is just being rude. We get it that that's your opinion. You don't need to post it on every topic. You're not going to convince anyone. No it isn’t being rude, it practical, what is the point about sounding off about what is going on a country which is separated by Ocean, its quite pompous to think our opinions are really going to amount to anything, better we concentrate on what is here, were our opinions count at the ballot box. And what's the point in you sounding off on topics you don't care about? Surely it's better to concentrate on topics that interest you. The irony. And the hypocrisy, oh woe is me!, I honestly think that UK affairs are more important then complaining about America, let them sort their own problems, The solution is very simple. You can stop commenting on a thread that plainly doesn't interest you. America is its own problem, UK is our problem. It does feel like you're deliberately trying to stop or derail any politics threads that are not explicitly about the UK. Please stop doing this. Some people actually want to talk about these things." It's fine, I've had the same comments. still, can't answer the questions on matters which have been costing lives and influencing the cost of lives around the world. It's almost an american bubble psychosis where they barely comprehend other countries exist. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem. This is a forum for discussion of politics, not British politics only. Continually telling people they're wrong to care about foreign politics is just being rude. We get it that that's your opinion. You don't need to post it on every topic. You're not going to convince anyone. No it isn’t being rude, it practical, what is the point about sounding off about what is going on a country which is separated by Ocean, its quite pompous to think our opinions are really going to amount to anything, better we concentrate on what is here, were our opinions count at the ballot box. And what's the point in you sounding off on topics you don't care about? Surely it's better to concentrate on topics that interest you. The irony. And the hypocrisy, oh woe is me!, I honestly think that UK affairs are more important then complaining about America, let them sort their own problems, The solution is very simple. You can stop commenting on a thread that plainly doesn't interest you. America is its own problem, UK is our problem. It does feel like you're deliberately trying to stop or derail any politics threads that are not explicitly about the UK. Please stop doing this. Some people actually want to talk about these things." Because you should look carefully at what is here, you will realise something is going on in UK, and that is far important than some place which gained independence from us and we have no say in. Let the Americans do the Americans. | |||
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"When's the 1st Trump/Biden debate? Oh it's gonna be fun now.
tuesday night......
but i think biden will have to be careful about how he attacks trump...
trump is going to probably say there is a difference between tax avoidance (which isn't illegal) and tax evasion (which is!)
biden can point to the fact that both he and his wife paid all their taxes in those years... but could also point out the tax system is skewed towards rich people, and that loopholes should be closed so that everyone is paying their share"Trump actually looked rattled when on camera. Reverted to his "fake news" attitude, not realising that he has now got to and prove that fact! | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem. This is a forum for discussion of politics, not British politics only. Continually telling people they're wrong to care about foreign politics is just being rude. We get it that that's your opinion. You don't need to post it on every topic. You're not going to convince anyone. No it isn’t being rude, it practical, what is the point about sounding off about what is going on a country which is separated by Ocean, its quite pompous to think our opinions are really going to amount to anything, better we concentrate on what is here, were our opinions count at the ballot box. And what's the point in you sounding off on topics you don't care about? Surely it's better to concentrate on topics that interest you. The irony. And the hypocrisy, oh woe is me!, I honestly think that UK affairs are more important then complaining about America, let them sort their own problems, The solution is very simple. You can stop commenting on a thread that plainly doesn't interest you. America is its own problem, UK is our problem. It does feel like you're deliberately trying to stop or derail any politics threads that are not explicitly about the UK. Please stop doing this. Some people actually want to talk about these things. Because you should look carefully at what is here, you will realise something is going on in UK, and that is far important than some place which gained independence from us and we have no say in. Let the Americans do the Americans. " Is there an echo in here? | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem. This is a forum for discussion of politics, not British politics only. Continually telling people they're wrong to care about foreign politics is just being rude. We get it that that's your opinion. You don't need to post it on every topic. You're not going to convince anyone. No it isn’t being rude, it practical, what is the point about sounding off about what is going on a country which is separated by Ocean, its quite pompous to think our opinions are really going to amount to anything, better we concentrate on what is here, were our opinions count at the ballot box. And what's the point in you sounding off on topics you don't care about? Surely it's better to concentrate on topics that interest you. The irony. And the hypocrisy, oh woe is me!, I honestly think that UK affairs are more important then complaining about America, let them sort their own problems, The solution is very simple. You can stop commenting on a thread that plainly doesn't interest you. America is its own problem, UK is our problem. It does feel like you're deliberately trying to stop or derail any politics threads that are not explicitly about the UK. Please stop doing this. Some people actually want to talk about these things. Because you should look carefully at what is here, you will realise something is going on in UK, and that is far important than some place which gained independence from us and we have no say in. Let the Americans do the Americans. Is there an echo in here? "Just ignore those who think we dont have the freedom to discuss politics that are relevant to us all on a political forum  | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem. This is a forum for discussion of politics, not British politics only. Continually telling people they're wrong to care about foreign politics is just being rude. We get it that that's your opinion. You don't need to post it on every topic. You're not going to convince anyone. No it isn’t being rude, it practical, what is the point about sounding off about what is going on a country which is separated by Ocean, its quite pompous to think our opinions are really going to amount to anything, better we concentrate on what is here, were our opinions count at the ballot box. And what's the point in you sounding off on topics you don't care about? Surely it's better to concentrate on topics that interest you. The irony. And the hypocrisy, oh woe is me!, I honestly think that UK affairs are more important then complaining about America, let them sort their own problems, The solution is very simple. You can stop commenting on a thread that plainly doesn't interest you. America is its own problem, UK is our problem. It does feel like you're deliberately trying to stop or derail any politics threads that are not explicitly about the UK. Please stop doing this. Some people actually want to talk about these things. Because you should look carefully at what is here, you will realise something is going on in UK, and that is far important than some place which gained independence from us and we have no say in. Let the Americans do the Americans. " Are you aware of the other threads within this forum? You do know that people can be interested in more than one thing at a time? ...and as has been pointed out to you, repeatedly, with Brexit, what goes on in the US becomes even more important to the UK. | |||
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" No it isn’t being rude, it practical, what is the point about sounding off about what is going on a country which is separated by Ocean, its quite pompous to think our opinions are really going to amount to anything, better we concentrate on what is here, were our opinions count at the ballot box. yes it is being rude... to the point of trying to shut down and stifle any conversation on a topic that will mean a lot of thing to a lot of people.... its bordering on trolling to be perfectly honest!!! leave those people who do want to talk about it to talk about it.... and if you don't, which you have made clear in half a dozen different thread so far... then walk on by!!! Hate via Debate is just plain hate, its a circular problem. I know you’re American and can empathise with your situation, but the situation in the USA is not something which can be remedied in this place, it just becomes a place where views become more entrenched whichever camp you support. The UK is where we are the issues here are what affect us more, I think we need to be more about what we can do on our own doorstep then what is happening miles away." | |||
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"Lest then a $1000 tax but apparently he claimed $70,000 for hair maintenance "That’s obscene and a poor return for what passes as hair on his swede. | |||
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" No it isn’t being rude, it practical, what is the point about sounding off about what is going on a country which is separated by Ocean, its quite pompous to think our opinions are really going to amount to anything, better we concentrate on what is here, were our opinions count at the ballot box. yes it is being rude... to the point of trying to shut down and stifle any conversation on a topic that will mean a lot of thing to a lot of people.... its bordering on trolling to be perfectly honest!!! leave those people who do want to talk about it to talk about it.... and if you don't, which you have made clear in half a dozen different thread so far... then walk on by!!! Hate via Debate is just plain hate, its a circular problem. I know you’re American and can empathise with your situation, but the situation in the USA is not something which can be remedied in this place, it just becomes a place where views become more entrenched whichever camp you support. The UK is where we are the issues here are what affect us more, I think we need to be more about what we can do on our own doorstep then what is happening miles away." Thankfully we have the freedom to do both and more. What he does over there affects us very much | |||
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That’s obscene and a poor return for what passes as hair on his swede. "A cheap swede would look better too  | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem. This is a forum for discussion of politics, not British politics only. Continually telling people they're wrong to care about foreign politics is just being rude. We get it that that's your opinion. You don't need to post it on every topic. You're not going to convince anyone. No it isn’t being rude, it practical, what is the point about sounding off about what is going on a country which is separated by Ocean, its quite pompous to think our opinions are really going to amount to anything, better we concentrate on what is here, were our opinions count at the ballot box." You really don't understand why people debate politics, do you? It's got nothing to do with thinking we can personally control foreign politics, it's about taking an interest in what happens to people around the world, and about morality in many cases too. Anyway, you've been asked by multiple people to stop doing what you're doing, so take a hint. | |||
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"Anyway, it's just a shame news like this makes no difference to Trump supporters. They'll just ignore it or spin it as the establishment being out to get him, or similar. " but its not his supporters this is aimed at its those "swing voters " who are not aligned to either party and usualy swing the vote in each state | |||
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"Anyway, it's just a shame news like this makes no difference to Trump supporters. They'll just ignore it or spin it as the establishment being out to get him, or similar. " I don’t think it will affect his base.... but being behind it’s not going to help him win the independents and those waivering moderate republicans... And all the main networks and news channels are going in on it hard this morning... well except for Fox News, they are trying to go with an attack on faith issue by speaking to Amy coney Barrett’s pastor... | |||
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"Anyway, it's just a shame news like this makes no difference to Trump supporters. They'll just ignore it or spin it as the establishment being out to get him, or similar. I don’t think it will affect his base.... but being behind it’s not going to help him win the independents and those waivering moderate republicans... And all the main networks and news channels are going in on it hard this morning... well except for Fox News, they are trying to go with an attack on faith issue by speaking to Amy coney Barrett’s pastor..." I suppose we forget that there are some undecided voters. I tend to view Trump supporters as Fox News watching, science denying loonies. As that's the overwhelming image we get given shown. He's so divisive, it's hard to imagine people not already loving/hating him though. | |||
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"Anyway, it's just a shame news like this makes no difference to Trump supporters. They'll just ignore it or spin it as the establishment being out to get him, or similar. I don’t think it will affect his base.... but being behind it’s not going to help him win the independents and those waivering moderate republicans... And all the main networks and news channels are going in on it hard this morning... well except for Fox News, they are trying to go with an attack on faith issue by speaking to Amy coney Barrett’s pastor... I suppose we forget that there are some undecided voters. I tend to view Trump supporters as Fox News watching, science denying loonies. As that's the overwhelming image we get given shown. He's so divisive, it's hard to imagine people not already loving/hating him though." It's hard to imagine how any voter could still be undecided when it comes to Trump. | |||
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"Do they need anymore evidence about the man. Send the buffoon packing " Evidence doesn't seem to matter anymore in terms of how people vote. It's all about who has the most control over the media. | |||
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"Do they need anymore evidence about the man. Send the buffoon packing Evidence doesn't seem to matter anymore in terms of how people vote. It's all about who has the most control over the media. " This is a key point. Around the world there are unengaged, ill-informed and in many case uneducated (in regard to media bias) people. Who, once every 4 years or whatever the interval for their locale, start deciding who to vote for. Invariably they are going to look for easy input to this decision process, traditional media is not as bad a start as relying on Facebook, but it's still not perfect. How to be a responsible voter, needs to be taught in schools. Where you get your information, how you judge this information and how you come to a conclusion are not entirely obvious steps for everyone. | |||
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"Do they need anymore evidence about the man. Send the buffoon packing Evidence doesn't seem to matter anymore in terms of how people vote. It's all about who has the most control over the media. This is a key point. Around the world there are unengaged, ill-informed and in many case uneducated (in regard to media bias) people. Who, once every 4 years or whatever the interval for their locale, start deciding who to vote for. Invariably they are going to look for easy input to this decision process, traditional media is not as bad a start as relying on Facebook, but it's still not perfect. How to be a responsible voter, needs to be taught in schools. Where you get your information, how you judge this information and how you come to a conclusion are not entirely obvious steps for everyone. " I bet they get taught that in Eton  | |||
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"Do they need anymore evidence about the man. Send the buffoon packing Evidence doesn't seem to matter anymore in terms of how people vote. It's all about who has the most control over the media. This is a key point. Around the world there are unengaged, ill-informed and in many case uneducated (in regard to media bias) people. Who, once every 4 years or whatever the interval for their locale, start deciding who to vote for. Invariably they are going to look for easy input to this decision process, traditional media is not as bad a start as relying on Facebook, but it's still not perfect. How to be a responsible voter, needs to be taught in schools. Where you get your information, how you judge this information and how you come to a conclusion are not entirely obvious steps for everyone. I bet they get taught that in Eton "No, there they get taught how to own a media company, and influence the outcomes! ;-) | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem. This is a forum for discussion of politics, not British politics only. Continually telling people they're wrong to care about foreign politics is just being rude. We get it that that's your opinion. You don't need to post it on every topic. You're not going to convince anyone. No it isn’t being rude, it practical, what is the point about sounding off about what is going on a country which is separated by Ocean, its quite pompous to think our opinions are really going to amount to anything, better we concentrate on what is here, were our opinions count at the ballot box." Perhaps you need to educate yourself. Trump has destroyed a nature reserve in Scotland to build two golf courses. The last scientificly important dune system of it's kind. He used his money and power to buy out the officials promising a massive hotel, employing 4000 people. No hotel and 90 staff. He has bullied the local residents, cut off water to a 90 year old woman, pushed up huge burms against their boundary line and broken many UK laws to terrorise people in Aberdeenshire. The journalist covering the story was arrested and thrown in a police cell, his camera and footage confiscated. Never charged or given a reason for his arrest. So if you think a person destroying our natural areas and treating our farmers like animals has nothing to do with us then I really wonder what would. By the way he describes the locals as living like pigs and doesn't want to have to look at them. His sons also go around the world hunting endangered animals. Trump is also reversing environmental laws. That's a problem for all the decent humans inhabitanting this planet. And you. | |||
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"I'm just surprised he paid the $750." Remember he didn’t paid anything at all in 10 of the other 15 years..... And it’s this that looks like might be sticking...... | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.." He didn't break the law so who cares aside the far left who have now gone full circle with something that zero sane people give a fuck about. Those who have had business do all we can to pay less tax. However if you guys are sad and feel the tax man didn't get his ounce of flesh then send them a cheque | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. He didn't break the law so who cares aside the far left who have now gone full circle with something that zero sane people give a fuck about. Those who have had business do all we can to pay less tax. However if you guys are sad and feel the tax man didn't get his ounce of flesh then send them a cheque " Boot lick all you like, the rich man aint gonna give you money | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. He didn't break the law so who cares aside the far left who have now gone full circle with something that zero sane people give a fuck about. Those who have had business do all we can to pay less tax. However if you guys are sad and feel the tax man didn't get his ounce of flesh then send them a cheque " Not got his ounce of flesh ffs....this crook is being investigated for getting $172 million tax rebate. The bloke is a conman and while he is in charge of the wests biggest economy he seems not to be a person to have in charge of the school dinner money to me | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. He didn't break the law so who cares aside the far left who have now gone full circle with something that zero sane people give a fuck about. Those who have had business do all we can to pay less tax. However if you guys are sad and feel the tax man didn't get his ounce of flesh then send them a cheque " Are we talking about the same Donald Trump who claims to have paid "Millions of Dollars in Tax?" And he owes money to the taxman which he hasn't paid. I own a business and if I don't pay my tax HMRC wants to send the Sheriff around to collect my assets. I am sure a lot of American voters who have been tanked by the IRS will not be looking at this behaviour favourably. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. He didn't break the law so who cares aside the far left who have now gone full circle with something that zero sane people give a fuck about. Those who have had business do all we can to pay less tax. However if you guys are sad and feel the tax man didn't get his ounce of flesh then send them a cheque Not got his ounce of flesh ffs....this crook is being investigated for getting $172 million tax rebate. The bloke is a conman and while he is in charge of the wests biggest economy he seems not to be a person to have in charge of the school dinner money to me "I think some people here have been drinking the Trump cool-aid! | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. He didn't break the law so who cares aside the far left who have now gone full circle with something that zero sane people give a fuck about. Those who have had business do all we can to pay less tax. However if you guys are sad and feel the tax man didn't get his ounce of flesh then send them a cheque " Ordinary people not caring about the ultra wealthy avoiding paying their taxes. Is one of the greatest victories for the right wing media. So comprehensive is their victory, that ordinary people attack other ordinary people for even questioning why the ultra rich aren't paying their fair share of taxes. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. He didn't break the law so who cares aside the far left who have now gone full circle with something that zero sane people give a fuck about. Those who have had business do all we can to pay less tax. However if you guys are sad and feel the tax man didn't get his ounce of flesh then send them a cheque Ordinary people not caring about the ultra wealthy avoiding paying their taxes. Is one of the greatest victories for the right wing media. So comprehensive is their victory, that ordinary people attack other ordinary people for even questioning why the ultra rich aren't paying their fair share of taxes." Hit the nail on the head there mate!  | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. He didn't break the law so who cares aside the far left who have now gone full circle with something that zero sane people give a fuck about. Those who have had business do all we can to pay less tax. However if you guys are sad and feel the tax man didn't get his ounce of flesh then send them a cheque Ordinary people not caring about the ultra wealthy avoiding paying their taxes. Is one of the greatest victories for the right wing media. So comprehensive is their victory, that ordinary people attack other ordinary people for even questioning why the ultra rich aren't paying their fair share of taxes." I've seen people on here arguing it's perfectly acceptable for the super rich to pay as little tax as possible. Its utterly breathtaking. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. He didn't break the law so who cares aside the far left who have now gone full circle with something that zero sane people give a fuck about. Those who have had business do all we can to pay less tax. However if you guys are sad and feel the tax man didn't get his ounce of flesh then send them a cheque Ordinary people not caring about the ultra wealthy avoiding paying their taxes. Is one of the greatest victories for the right wing media. So comprehensive is their victory, that ordinary people attack other ordinary people for even questioning why the ultra rich aren't paying their fair share of taxes. I've seen people on here arguing it's perfectly acceptable for the super rich to pay as little tax as possible. Its utterly breathtaking." You see this sort of thing all the time on here. It's depressing. They don't even seem to realise or care they've basically been brain-washed into supporting a deeply corrupt system that benefits the rich and harms everybody else. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. He didn't break the law so who cares aside the far left who have now gone full circle with something that zero sane people give a fuck about. Those who have had business do all we can to pay less tax. However if you guys are sad and feel the tax man didn't get his ounce of flesh then send them a cheque Ordinary people not caring about the ultra wealthy avoiding paying their taxes. Is one of the greatest victories for the right wing media. So comprehensive is their victory, that ordinary people attack other ordinary people for even questioning why the ultra rich aren't paying their fair share of taxes. I've seen people on here arguing it's perfectly acceptable for the super rich to pay as little tax as possible. Its utterly breathtaking." Who would have thought that the champions for the rich would be the poor and downtrodden? I guess the French and Russian revolutions taught the super rich something. Never let the poor discover who their real enemy is. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. He didn't break the law so who cares aside the far left who have now gone full circle with something that zero sane people give a fuck about. Those who have had business do all we can to pay less tax. However if you guys are sad and feel the tax man didn't get his ounce of flesh then send them a cheque Ordinary people not caring about the ultra wealthy avoiding paying their taxes. Is one of the greatest victories for the right wing media. So comprehensive is their victory, that ordinary people attack other ordinary people for even questioning why the ultra rich aren't paying their fair share of taxes. I've seen people on here arguing it's perfectly acceptable for the super rich to pay as little tax as possible. Its utterly breathtaking. You see this sort of thing all the time on here. It's depressing. They don't even seem to realise or care they've basically been brain-washed into supporting a deeply corrupt system that benefits the rich and harms everybody else." They cant even see it or they dont care | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. He didn't break the law so who cares aside the far left who have now gone full circle with something that zero sane people give a fuck about. Those who have had business do all we can to pay less tax. However if you guys are sad and feel the tax man didn't get his ounce of flesh then send them a cheque Ordinary people not caring about the ultra wealthy avoiding paying their taxes. Is one of the greatest victories for the right wing media. So comprehensive is their victory, that ordinary people attack other ordinary people for even questioning why the ultra rich aren't paying their fair share of taxes. I've seen people on here arguing it's perfectly acceptable for the super rich to pay as little tax as possible. Its utterly breathtaking. Who would have thought that the champions for the rich would be the poor and downtrodden? I guess the French and Russian revolutions taught the super rich something. Never let the poor discover who their real enemy is." That's the power of the media | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. He didn't break the law so who cares aside the far left who have now gone full circle with something that zero sane people give a fuck about. Those who have had business do all we can to pay less tax. However if you guys are sad and feel the tax man didn't get his ounce of flesh then send them a cheque Ordinary people not caring about the ultra wealthy avoiding paying their taxes. Is one of the greatest victories for the right wing media. So comprehensive is their victory, that ordinary people attack other ordinary people for even questioning why the ultra rich aren't paying their fair share of taxes. I've seen people on here arguing it's perfectly acceptable for the super rich to pay as little tax as possible. Its utterly breathtaking. Who would have thought that the champions for the rich would be the poor and downtrodden? I guess the French and Russian revolutions taught the super rich something. Never let the poor discover who their real enemy is. That's the power of the media " He who controls the mighty propaganda machine controls the hearts and minds of the people. "The meek shall inherit the earth - they're too timid to refuse" | |||
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"Speaking of the press. I came across a story that said that the taxpayer forked out £16000 for Andrew to fly to the Open Championship golf tournament on a private plane. At the same time as Rishi is announcing our demotion from furlough to furlough-lite??? Can't find any thread on this...." It wasn't on this year?. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. He didn't break the law so who cares aside the far left who have now gone full circle with something that zero sane people give a fuck about. Those who have had business do all we can to pay less tax. However if you guys are sad and feel the tax man didn't get his ounce of flesh then send them a cheque Ordinary people not caring about the ultra wealthy avoiding paying their taxes. Is one of the greatest victories for the right wing media. So comprehensive is their victory, that ordinary people attack other ordinary people for even questioning why the ultra rich aren't paying their fair share of taxes. I've seen people on here arguing it's perfectly acceptable for the super rich to pay as little tax as possible. Its utterly breathtaking. Who would have thought that the champions for the rich would be the poor and downtrodden? I guess the French and Russian revolutions taught the super rich something. Never let the poor discover who their real enemy is." If you want to learn any lesson from Revolution then it's that no good ever comes of it for either party. | |||
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"Speaking of the press. I came across a story that said that the taxpayer forked out £16000 for Andrew to fly to the Open Championship golf tournament on a private plane. At the same time as Rishi is announcing our demotion from furlough to furlough-lite??? Can't find any thread on this...." Gawd bless em | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. He didn't break the law so who cares aside the far left who have now gone full circle with something that zero sane people give a fuck about. Those who have had business do all we can to pay less tax. However if you guys are sad and feel the tax man didn't get his ounce of flesh then send them a cheque " Actually we don’t know that he hasn’t broken the law... that’s why the Manhattan DA and the New York State AG were also trying to get hold of the tax records and the trump organisation were fighting those requests as well..... And the IRS are certainly thinking that something isn’t right or they would not be potentially looking at 73 million dollars in tax refunds back (with penalties over 100 million!) Creative accounting or potential tax fraud, wire fraud and banking fraud...... It was always going to be a RICO case that potentially got trump and his family..... that’s why he always said looking in the family was his red line! | |||
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"Speaking of the press. I came across a story that said that the taxpayer forked out £16000 for Andrew to fly to the Open Championship golf tournament on a private plane. At the same time as Rishi is announcing our demotion from furlough to furlough-lite??? Can't find any thread on this...." It was for his visit to Portrush in 2019. He may have had patronage events to fulfill but it does seem excessive. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. He didn't break the law so who cares aside the far left who have now gone full circle with something that zero sane people give a fuck about. Those who have had business do all we can to pay less tax. However if you guys are sad and feel the tax man didn't get his ounce of flesh then send them a cheque Actually we don’t know that he hasn’t broken the law... that’s why the Manhattan DA and the New York State AG were also trying to get hold of the tax records and the trump organisation were fighting those requests as well..... And the IRS are certainly thinking that something isn’t right or they would not be potentially looking at 73 million dollars in tax refunds back (with penalties over 100 million!) Creative accounting or potential tax fraud, wire fraud and banking fraud...... It was always going to be a RICO case that potentially got trump and his family..... that’s why he always said looking in the family was his red line! " I'm pretty sure the IRS would have an idea or not as to whether he'd broken tax laws | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem." Planet earth is my home I care about humans and humanity I never understand why some like to boundary their good will??? The UK humans will interact with the American humans their wellbeing and standards will effect the UK But even if not American humans will suffer due to trump and those who oppose him in America despite being a minority can know other right minded humans trying to survive on this single planet of ours offer their support  | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem. This is a forum for discussion of politics, not British politics only. Continually telling people they're wrong to care about foreign politics is just being rude. We get it that that's your opinion. You don't need to post it on every topic. You're not going to convince anyone. No it isn’t being rude, it practical, what is the point about sounding off about what is going on a country which is separated by Ocean, its quite pompous to think our opinions are really going to amount to anything, better we concentrate on what is here, were our opinions count at the ballot box. Perhaps you need to educate yourself. Trump has destroyed a nature reserve in Scotland to build two golf courses. The last scientificly important dune system of it's kind. He used his money and power to buy out the officials promising a massive hotel, employing 4000 people. No hotel and 90 staff. He has bullied the local residents, cut off water to a 90 year old woman, pushed up huge burms against their boundary line and broken many UK laws to terrorise people in Aberdeenshire. The journalist covering the story was arrested and thrown in a police cell, his camera and footage confiscated. Never charged or given a reason for his arrest. So if you think a person destroying our natural areas and treating our farmers like animals has nothing to do with us then I really wonder what would. By the way he describes the locals as living like pigs and doesn't want to have to look at them. His sons also go around the world hunting endangered animals. Trump is also reversing environmental laws. That's a problem for all the decent humans inhabitanting this planet. And you." Problem with money is everyone wants it, they don’t see the consequences in the end. Still with Scotland banging the independence drum shouldn’t your FM be over that? Or is she looking to more lucrative deals to secure the economic future of an independent Scotland? But as I have said before American politics have no bearing on the ordinary Brit in the street. So not our problem | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem. Planet earth is my home I care about humans and humanity I never understand why some like to boundary their good will??? The UK humans will interact with the American humans their wellbeing and standards will effect the UK But even if not American humans will suffer due to trump and those who oppose him in America despite being a minority can know other right minded humans trying to survive on this single planet of ours offer their support "I care enough to know that America is a lost cause, and therefore I don’t think prattling on about it is going to make a blind bit of difference. The earth still spins, the tides go back and forth. Humanity has been a brief time on this planet and the planet will be here still long after we have gone. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem. This is a forum for discussion of politics, not British politics only. Continually telling people they're wrong to care about foreign politics is just being rude. We get it that that's your opinion. You don't need to post it on every topic. You're not going to convince anyone. No it isn’t being rude, it practical, what is the point about sounding off about what is going on a country which is separated by Ocean, its quite pompous to think our opinions are really going to amount to anything, better we concentrate on what is here, were our opinions count at the ballot box. You really don't understand why people debate politics, do you? It's got nothing to do with thinking we can personally control foreign politics, it's about taking an interest in what happens to people around the world, and about morality in many cases too. Anyway, you've been asked by multiple people to stop doing what you're doing, so take a hint. " I understand why people debate for, but it’s increasingly becoming an echo chamber when it comes to America, get some perspective on it, you’ll realise it’s not the US who pays for your Electric or Water or housing or car insurance or even your healthcare. Let them be. People have so much energy going on about this, when the real problems are on their doorstep. Address .those first | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. Not our problem, and I want the contact details for his accountant. If your view is that you're not bothered by an issue, you could simply not bother commenting. You've basically made the same "not our problem" comment on many threads now. As unbothered as you are by cerain things, it seems like a waste of your time. And I say to you, its not our problem, Americans can do America, we have no right to pass Judgement on their country, what we can do is look closer to home, that is our problem. This is a forum for discussion of politics, not British politics only. Continually telling people they're wrong to care about foreign politics is just being rude. We get it that that's your opinion. You don't need to post it on every topic. You're not going to convince anyone. No it isn’t being rude, it practical, what is the point about sounding off about what is going on a country which is separated by Ocean, its quite pompous to think our opinions are really going to amount to anything, better we concentrate on what is here, were our opinions count at the ballot box. You really don't understand why people debate politics, do you? It's got nothing to do with thinking we can personally control foreign politics, it's about taking an interest in what happens to people around the world, and about morality in many cases too. Anyway, you've been asked by multiple people to stop doing what you're doing, so take a hint. I understand why people debate for, but it’s increasingly becoming an echo chamber when it comes to America, get some perspective on it, you’ll realise it’s not the US who pays for your Electric or Water or housing or car insurance or even your healthcare. Let them be. People have so much energy going on about this, when the real problems are on their doorstep. Address .those first" People do address the other things too. If you investigate this thing called "the forum", you will see there are many and varied other "threads." | |||
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"Back trolling again, eh? This is a thread about Trump's tax returns. If you don't want to talk about that or anything to do with the USA, you could simply not comment on the thread. You'd save yourself the time and effort of involving yourself in something you don't care about. (And the rest of already know your opinion on anything not explicitly to do with the UK directly, so you don't need to repeat it on every thread that you're not interested in.)" It’s an opinion which should be heard, If you’re so upset that I do not agree with your worldview that America is so important, that is the very essence of debate. I stand by my reasoning, America is not our problem because there are higher pressing issues in the UK which we can have an affect upon. | |||
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"Back trolling again, eh? This is a thread about Trump's tax returns. If you don't want to talk about that or anything to do with the USA, you could simply not comment on the thread. You'd save yourself the time and effort of involving yourself in something you don't care about. (And the rest of already know your opinion on anything not explicitly to do with the UK directly, so you don't need to repeat it on every thread that you're not interested in.) It’s an opinion which should be heard, If you’re so upset that I do not agree with your worldview that America is so important, that is the very essence of debate. I stand by my reasoning, America is not our problem because there are higher pressing issues in the UK which we can have an affect upon. " The Flargons of Omicron Delta 8 are equally unimportant to you. (Partly because I just made them up.) Would you like to talk about how they're not important to you, too? | |||
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"Back trolling again, eh? This is a thread about Trump's tax returns. If you don't want to talk about that or anything to do with the USA, you could simply not comment on the thread. You'd save yourself the time and effort of involving yourself in something you don't care about. (And the rest of already know your opinion on anything not explicitly to do with the UK directly, so you don't need to repeat it on every thread that you're not interested in.) It’s an opinion which should be heard, If you’re so upset that I do not agree with your worldview that America is so important, that is the very essence of debate. I stand by my reasoning, America is not our problem because there are higher pressing issues in the UK which we can have an affect upon. " No, the essence of debate is giving way once your point is made. If all you have beyond that is repetition, you are stifling the debate. | |||
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"Back trolling again, eh? This is a thread about Trump's tax returns. If you don't want to talk about that or anything to do with the USA, you could simply not comment on the thread. You'd save yourself the time and effort of involving yourself in something you don't care about. (And the rest of already know your opinion on anything not explicitly to do with the UK directly, so you don't need to repeat it on every thread that you're not interested in.) It’s an opinion which should be heard, If you’re so upset that I do not agree with your worldview that America is so important, that is the very essence of debate. I stand by my reasoning, America is not our problem because there are higher pressing issues in the UK which we can have an affect upon. " I see, why don’t you start a thread on here about these ‘higher pressing issues, Instead of trying to shut down political debate on a political forum ? | |||
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"Back trolling again, eh? This is a thread about Trump's tax returns. If you don't want to talk about that or anything to do with the USA, you could simply not comment on the thread. You'd save yourself the time and effort of involving yourself in something you don't care about. (And the rest of already know your opinion on anything not explicitly to do with the UK directly, so you don't need to repeat it on every thread that you're not interested in.) It’s an opinion which should be heard, If you’re so upset that I do not agree with your worldview that America is so important, that is the very essence of debate. I stand by my reasoning, America is not our problem because there are higher pressing issues in the UK which we can have an affect upon. The Flargons of Omicron Delta 8 are equally unimportant to you. (Partly because I just made them up.) Would you like to talk about how they're not important to you, too? " I’d rather keep myself in reality, but you do you. | |||
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"Back trolling again, eh? This is a thread about Trump's tax returns. If you don't want to talk about that or anything to do with the USA, you could simply not comment on the thread. You'd save yourself the time and effort of involving yourself in something you don't care about. (And the rest of already know your opinion on anything not explicitly to do with the UK directly, so you don't need to repeat it on every thread that you're not interested in.) It’s an opinion which should be heard, If you’re so upset that I do not agree with your worldview that America is so important, that is the very essence of debate. I stand by my reasoning, America is not our problem because there are higher pressing issues in the UK which we can have an affect upon. No, the essence of debate is giving way once your point is made. If all you have beyond that is repetition, you are stifling the debate. " I have given reasons, and I disagree with the arguments presented. Like I have said, the only people who can do anything about what going on in America, are the Americans, we brits can’t say much because we have our own problems to face, for example, the rise of covid, our economy, the current relaxtion of planning laws, the cronyism in government, the conclusion of brexit etc.etc. | |||
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"Back trolling again, eh? This is a thread about Trump's tax returns. If you don't want to talk about that or anything to do with the USA, you could simply not comment on the thread. You'd save yourself the time and effort of involving yourself in something you don't care about. (And the rest of already know your opinion on anything not explicitly to do with the UK directly, so you don't need to repeat it on every thread that you're not interested in.) It’s an opinion which should be heard, If you’re so upset that I do not agree with your worldview that America is so important, that is the very essence of debate. I stand by my reasoning, America is not our problem because there are higher pressing issues in the UK which we can have an affect upon. No, the essence of debate is giving way once your point is made. If all you have beyond that is repetition, you are stifling the debate. I have given reasons, and I disagree with the arguments presented. Like I have said, the only people who can do anything about what going on in America, are the Americans, we brits can’t say much because we have our own problems to face, for example, the rise of covid, our economy, the current relaxtion of planning laws, the cronyism in government, the conclusion of brexit etc.etc." What happens in America in November is extremely significant to what happens over here. If Trump wins a second term, then that will embolden our own populist PM as well as others around the world, with detrimental consequences for the populations of those countries. If he loses it could well help to reign them in a little and give us a chance to return to a more moderate form of politics. Countries cannot exist in limbo I'm afraid. | |||
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"Back trolling again, eh? This is a thread about Trump's tax returns. If you don't want to talk about that or anything to do with the USA, you could simply not comment on the thread. You'd save yourself the time and effort of involving yourself in something you don't care about. (And the rest of already know your opinion on anything not explicitly to do with the UK directly, so you don't need to repeat it on every thread that you're not interested in.) It’s an opinion which should be heard, If you’re so upset that I do not agree with your worldview that America is so important, that is the very essence of debate. I stand by my reasoning, America is not our problem because there are higher pressing issues in the UK which we can have an affect upon. No, the essence of debate is giving way once your point is made. If all you have beyond that is repetition, you are stifling the debate. I have given reasons, and I disagree with the arguments presented. Like I have said, the only people who can do anything about what going on in America, are the Americans, we brits can’t say much because we have our own problems to face, for example, the rise of covid, our economy, the current relaxtion of planning laws, the cronyism in government, the conclusion of brexit etc.etc. What happens in America in November is extremely significant to what happens over here. If Trump wins a second term, then that will embolden our own populist PM as well as others around the world, with detrimental consequences for the populations of those countries. If he loses it could well help to reign them in a little and give us a chance to return to a more moderate form of politics. Countries cannot exist in limbo I'm afraid." They have though, I disagree with the emboldening aspect, what we did here it’s all on us, hence the focus on here. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. just working my way thru the story now... wow..... it shows how indebted he is... why explains why he never wanted to release them... by doesn't answer "who he is debted to now...." You can't have worked your way all the way through the story then as they quite clearly say he actually paid 5 million dollars but only owed 750 dollars  | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. just working my way thru the story now... wow..... it shows how indebted he is... why explains why he never wanted to release them... by doesn't answer "who he is debted to now.... You can't have worked your way all the way through the story then as they quite clearly say he actually paid 5 million dollars but only owed 750 dollars "I'm not sure which alternate universe you live in, but Trump only paid $750 tax in 2016 and paid nothing in ten out of the last fifteen years. He's also in dispute with the IRS about a tax refund, which if he loses, could see him owing them around $300m. | |||
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"Back trolling again, eh? This is a thread about Trump's tax returns. If you don't want to talk about that or anything to do with the USA, you could simply not comment on the thread. You'd save yourself the time and effort of involving yourself in something you don't care about. (And the rest of already know your opinion on anything not explicitly to do with the UK directly, so you don't need to repeat it on every thread that you're not interested in.) It’s an opinion which should be heard, If you’re so upset that I do not agree with your worldview that America is so important, that is the very essence of debate. I stand by my reasoning, America is not our problem because there are higher pressing issues in the UK which we can have an affect upon. No, the essence of debate is giving way once your point is made. If all you have beyond that is repetition, you are stifling the debate. I have given reasons, and I disagree with the arguments presented. Like I have said, the only people who can do anything about what going on in America, are the Americans, we brits can’t say much because we have our own problems to face, for example, the rise of covid, our economy, the current relaxtion of planning laws, the cronyism in government, the conclusion of brexit etc.etc. What happens in America in November is extremely significant to what happens over here. If Trump wins a second term, then that will embolden our own populist PM as well as others around the world, with detrimental consequences for the populations of those countries. If he loses it could well help to reign them in a little and give us a chance to return to a more moderate form of politics. Countries cannot exist in limbo I'm afraid. They have though, I disagree with the emboldening aspect, what we did here it’s all on us, hence the focus on here." Countries have not lived in isolation since man first learned to navigate the oceans. There has been trading and wars between nations for thousands of years. The right wing most definitely have been emboldened by Trumps tenure in the White House, and if you won't listen to me, perhaps you'll take notice of the Guardian. "Yet US elections have an impact on 7 billion people, not just 330 million, and rarely has that been more apparent. Mr Trump’s personal interests have corrupted American foreign policy. His instincts have enabled and encouraged the flourishing of nationalism and authoritarianism worldwide. We are watching the crumbling of a world order that, despite its terrible flaws and hypocrisies, has retained, for many, authority – and which looks to be replaced by something much worse." I'm a little sick of your naive trolling now, so I'm just going to ignore you from now on. If you persist in spamming every thread about American politics with your childish admonitions, then hopefully a passing mod will give you a time out, because it's becoming very irritating. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. just working my way thru the story now... wow..... it shows how indebted he is... why explains why he never wanted to release them... by doesn't answer "who he is debted to now.... You can't have worked your way all the way through the story then as they quite clearly say he actually paid 5 million dollars but only owed 750 dollars
I'm not sure which alternate universe you live in, but Trump only paid $750 tax in 2016 and paid nothing in ten out of the last fifteen years. He's also in dispute with the IRS about a tax refund, which if he loses, could see him owing them around $300m.
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. just working my way thru the story now... wow..... it shows how indebted he is... why explains why he never wanted to release them... by doesn't answer "who he is debted to now.... You can't have worked your way all the way through the story then as they quite clearly say he actually paid 5 million dollars but only owed 750 dollars
I'm not sure which alternate universe you live in, but Trump only paid $750 tax in 2016 and paid nothing in ten out of the last fifteen years. He's also in dispute with the IRS about a tax refund, which if he loses, could see him owing them around $300m.
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It's right there at the bottom of the new York times article.
He PAID 1 million dollars in 2016 and 4.2 million dollars in 2017 DESPITE only owing 750 dollars for both years due to significant losses, he let them keep the money and offset it to future taxes owed."I've read the entire article too, and you've completely misunderstood the reasons why he made those payments, and the benefits to him of rolling those payments forward. Try reading the relevant paragraphs again ... carefully. I've helpfully pasted them below for you. "As he settled into the Oval Office, his tax bills soon returned to form. His potential taxable income in 2016 and 2017 included $24.8 million in profits from sources related to his celebrity status and $56.4 million for the loans he did not repay. The dreaded alternative minimum tax would let his business losses erase only some of his liability. Each time, he requested an extension to file his 1040; and each time, he made the required payment to the I.R.S. for income taxes he might owe — $1 million for 2016 and $4.2 million for 2017. But virtually all of that liability was washed away when he eventually filed, and most of the payments were rolled forward to cover potential taxes in future." Rolling those payments over meant that he actually only paid $750 tax in both 2016 and 2017 and he will use his usual ploy of registering huge future business losses to write off the rolled over payments and attempt to claim them back as a tax refund. The problem he has now is that the whole house of cards he has built up, is in danger of collapsing and taking him down with it. If you've read the article you should understand how and why, though I doubt if you'll acknowledge it. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. just working my way thru the story now... wow..... it shows how indebted he is... why explains why he never wanted to release them... by doesn't answer "who he is debted to now.... You can't have worked your way all the way through the story then as they quite clearly say he actually paid 5 million dollars but only owed 750 dollars
I'm not sure which alternate universe you live in, but Trump only paid $750 tax in 2016 and paid nothing in ten out of the last fifteen years. He's also in dispute with the IRS about a tax refund, which if he loses, could see him owing them around $300m.
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It's right there at the bottom of the new York times article.
He PAID 1 million dollars in 2016 and 4.2 million dollars in 2017 DESPITE only owing 750 dollars for both years due to significant losses, he let them keep the money and offset it to future taxes owed.
I've read the entire article too, and you've completely misunderstood the reasons why he made those payments, and the benefits to him of rolling those payments forward. Try reading the relevant paragraphs again ... carefully. I've helpfully pasted them below for you.
"As he settled into the Oval Office, his tax bills soon returned to form. His potential taxable income in 2016 and 2017 included $24.8 million in profits from sources related to his celebrity status and $56.4 million for the loans he did not repay. The dreaded alternative minimum tax would let his business losses erase only some of his liability.
Each time, he requested an extension to file his 1040; and each time, he made the required payment to the I.R.S. for income taxes he might owe — $1 million for 2016 and $4.2 million for 2017. But virtually all of that liability was washed away when he eventually filed, and most of the payments were rolled forward to cover potential taxes in future."
Rolling those payments over meant that he actually only paid $750 tax in both 2016 and 2017 and he will use his usual ploy of registering huge future business losses to write off the rolled over payments and attempt to claim them back as a tax refund.
The problem he has now is that the whole house of cards he has built up, is in danger of collapsing and taking him down with it. If you've read the article you should understand how and why, though I doubt if you'll acknowledge it.". So your agreeing with me then that he paid 5.2 million not 750, you've even just wrote it yourself .
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"Back trolling again, eh? This is a thread about Trump's tax returns. If you don't want to talk about that or anything to do with the USA, you could simply not comment on the thread. You'd save yourself the time and effort of involving yourself in something you don't care about. (And the rest of already know your opinion on anything not explicitly to do with the UK directly, so you don't need to repeat it on every thread that you're not interested in.) It’s an opinion which should be heard, If you’re so upset that I do not agree with your worldview that America is so important, that is the very essence of debate. I stand by my reasoning, America is not our problem because there are higher pressing issues in the UK which we can have an affect upon. No, the essence of debate is giving way once your point is made. If all you have beyond that is repetition, you are stifling the debate. I have given reasons, and I disagree with the arguments presented. Like I have said, the only people who can do anything about what going on in America, are the Americans, we brits can’t say much because we have our own problems to face, for example, the rise of covid, our economy, the current relaxtion of planning laws, the cronyism in government, the conclusion of brexit etc.etc. What happens in America in November is extremely significant to what happens over here. If Trump wins a second term, then that will embolden our own populist PM as well as others around the world, with detrimental consequences for the populations of those countries. If he loses it could well help to reign them in a little and give us a chance to return to a more moderate form of politics. Countries cannot exist in limbo I'm afraid. They have though, I disagree with the emboldening aspect, what we did here it’s all on us, hence the focus on here. Countries have not lived in isolation since man first learned to navigate the oceans. There has been trading and wars between nations for thousands of years. The right wing most definitely have been emboldened by Trumps tenure in the White House, and if you won't listen to me, perhaps you'll take notice of the Guardian. "Yet US elections have an impact on 7 billion people, not just 330 million, and rarely has that been more apparent. Mr Trump’s personal interests have corrupted American foreign policy. His instincts have enabled and encouraged the flourishing of nationalism and authoritarianism worldwide. We are watching the crumbling of a world order that, despite its terrible flaws and hypocrisies, has retained, for many, authority – and which looks to be replaced by something much worse." I'm a little sick of your naive trolling now, so I'm just going to ignore you from now on. If you persist in spamming every thread about American politics with your childish admonitions, then hopefully a passing mod will give you a time out, because it's becoming very irritating. " Perfectly fine, the Guardian, Just like the DM, they seem to have a propensity to support someones view when they need it the most. If you could only look beyond the narrative provided, maybe you could establish your own. Just saying. | |||
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"Back trolling again, eh? This is a thread about Trump's tax returns. If you don't want to talk about that or anything to do with the USA, you could simply not comment on the thread. You'd save yourself the time and effort of involving yourself in something you don't care about. (And the rest of already know your opinion on anything not explicitly to do with the UK directly, so you don't need to repeat it on every thread that you're not interested in.) It’s an opinion which should be heard, If you’re so upset that I do not agree with your worldview that America is so important, that is the very essence of debate. I stand by my reasoning, America is not our problem because there are higher pressing issues in the UK which we can have an affect upon. No, the essence of debate is giving way once your point is made. If all you have beyond that is repetition, you are stifling the debate. I have given reasons, and I disagree with the arguments presented. Like I have said, the only people who can do anything about what going on in America, are the Americans, we brits can’t say much because we have our own problems to face, for example, the rise of covid, our economy, the current relaxtion of planning laws, the cronyism in government, the conclusion of brexit etc.etc. What happens in America in November is extremely significant to what happens over here. If Trump wins a second term, then that will embolden our own populist PM as well as others around the world, with detrimental consequences for the populations of those countries. If he loses it could well help to reign them in a little and give us a chance to return to a more moderate form of politics. Countries cannot exist in limbo I'm afraid. They have though, I disagree with the emboldening aspect, what we did here it’s all on us, hence the focus on here. Countries have not lived in isolation since man first learned to navigate the oceans. There has been trading and wars between nations for thousands of years. The right wing most definitely have been emboldened by Trumps tenure in the White House, and if you won't listen to me, perhaps you'll take notice of the Guardian. "Yet US elections have an impact on 7 billion people, not just 330 million, and rarely has that been more apparent. Mr Trump’s personal interests have corrupted American foreign policy. His instincts have enabled and encouraged the flourishing of nationalism and authoritarianism worldwide. We are watching the crumbling of a world order that, despite its terrible flaws and hypocrisies, has retained, for many, authority – and which looks to be replaced by something much worse." I'm a little sick of your naive trolling now, so I'm just going to ignore you from now on. If you persist in spamming every thread about American politics with your childish admonitions, then hopefully a passing mod will give you a time out, because it's becoming very irritating. Perfectly fine, the Guardian, Just like the DM, they seem to have a propensity to support someones view when they need it the most. If you could only look beyond the narrative provided, maybe you could establish your own. Just saying." I understand world affairs perfectly well thank you, and obviously far better than you, apparently. I do not have a narrative, and nor do I follow anyone else's, I am quite capable of making my own mind up with the help of news outlets from around the world, of which the Guardian makes up one, and the Daily Fail zero. I also possess years of life experience. I do not need, nor want advice from interfering and annoying people on internet forums telling me what I should and should not think, thank you very much. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. just working my way thru the story now... wow..... it shows how indebted he is... why explains why he never wanted to release them... by doesn't answer "who he is debted to now.... You can't have worked your way all the way through the story then as they quite clearly say he actually paid 5 million dollars but only owed 750 dollars
I'm not sure which alternate universe you live in, but Trump only paid $750 tax in 2016 and paid nothing in ten out of the last fifteen years. He's also in dispute with the IRS about a tax refund, which if he loses, could see him owing them around $300m.
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It's right there at the bottom of the new York times article.
He PAID 1 million dollars in 2016 and 4.2 million dollars in 2017 DESPITE only owing 750 dollars for both years due to significant losses, he let them keep the money and offset it to future taxes owed.
I've read the entire article too, and you've completely misunderstood the reasons why he made those payments, and the benefits to him of rolling those payments forward. Try reading the relevant paragraphs again ... carefully. I've helpfully pasted them below for you.
"As he settled into the Oval Office, his tax bills soon returned to form. His potential taxable income in 2016 and 2017 included $24.8 million in profits from sources related to his celebrity status and $56.4 million for the loans he did not repay. The dreaded alternative minimum tax would let his business losses erase only some of his liability.
Each time, he requested an extension to file his 1040; and each time, he made the required payment to the I.R.S. for income taxes he might owe — $1 million for 2016 and $4.2 million for 2017. But virtually all of that liability was washed away when he eventually filed, and most of the payments were rolled forward to cover potential taxes in future."
Rolling those payments over meant that he actually only paid $750 tax in both 2016 and 2017 and he will use his usual ploy of registering huge future business losses to write off the rolled over payments and attempt to claim them back as a tax refund.
The problem he has now is that the whole house of cards he has built up, is in danger of collapsing and taking him down with it. If you've read the article you should understand how and why, though I doubt if you'll acknowledge it..
So your agreeing with me then that he paid 5.2 million not 750, you've even just wrote it yourself .
The future is not known, he may get it back in tax credits or he may not but he paid 5.2 million to the tax man not 750 "I'm so sorry, I didn't realise that I was dealing with the worlds finest accountant. If only the NYT had known of your existence they wouldn't have had to employ all those skilled investigative journalists and accountants to pour over Trumps tax returns, they could simply have asked you. Fancy all those fancy professionals wasting their time and efforts and still coming up with the wrong conclusions, when all they had to do was log onto the fab politics forum for your far superior opinion. Imagine how silly all those other news outlets who also reported on the story are going to feel when they realise that the NYT had it wrong all along.
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"I just heard half of a piece on aljazeera about the intest only loans he has that are hundreds of million dollars,all will be due to end in 2-3 years time...it will be interesting to see how that pans out..." thats why the NYT were talking about foreign banks having the question of potentially "foreclosing on an sitting president" why you have to say potentially makes him a huge national security risk...... | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. just working my way thru the story now... wow..... it shows how indebted he is... why explains why he never wanted to release them... by doesn't answer "who he is debted to now.... You can't have worked your way all the way through the story then as they quite clearly say he actually paid 5 million dollars but only owed 750 dollars
I'm not sure which alternate universe you live in, but Trump only paid $750 tax in 2016 and paid nothing in ten out of the last fifteen years. He's also in dispute with the IRS about a tax refund, which if he loses, could see him owing them around $300m.
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It's right there at the bottom of the new York times article.
He PAID 1 million dollars in 2016 and 4.2 million dollars in 2017 DESPITE only owing 750 dollars for both years due to significant losses, he let them keep the money and offset it to future taxes owed.
I've read the entire article too, and you've completely misunderstood the reasons why he made those payments, and the benefits to him of rolling those payments forward. Try reading the relevant paragraphs again ... carefully. I've helpfully pasted them below for you.
"As he settled into the Oval Office, his tax bills soon returned to form. His potential taxable income in 2016 and 2017 included $24.8 million in profits from sources related to his celebrity status and $56.4 million for the loans he did not repay. The dreaded alternative minimum tax would let his business losses erase only some of his liability.
Each time, he requested an extension to file his 1040; and each time, he made the required payment to the I.R.S. for income taxes he might owe — $1 million for 2016 and $4.2 million for 2017. But virtually all of that liability was washed away when he eventually filed, and most of the payments were rolled forward to cover potential taxes in future."
Rolling those payments over meant that he actually only paid $750 tax in both 2016 and 2017 and he will use his usual ploy of registering huge future business losses to write off the rolled over payments and attempt to claim them back as a tax refund.
The problem he has now is that the whole house of cards he has built up, is in danger of collapsing and taking him down with it. If you've read the article you should understand how and why, though I doubt if you'll acknowledge it..
So your agreeing with me then that he paid 5.2 million not 750, you've even just wrote it yourself .
The future is not known, he may get it back in tax credits or he may not but he paid 5.2 million to the tax man not 750
I'm so sorry, I didn't realise that I was dealing with the worlds finest accountant. If only the NYT had known of your existence they wouldn't have had to employ all those skilled investigative journalists and accountants to pour over Trumps tax returns, they could simply have asked you. Fancy all those fancy professionals wasting their time and efforts and still coming up with the wrong conclusions, when all they had to do was log onto the fab politics forum for your far superior opinion.
Imagine how silly all those other news outlets who also reported on the story are going to feel when they realise that the NYT had it wrong all along.
I salute your brilliance sir! ". No problem, it was in their own article, you just had to read it all and not the headline like you did  .
Once you've actually read it like you admitted you were completely wrong, he didn't pay 1500 dollars but 5.2 million dollars over the years 2016-17 despite only actual owing 1500 dollars.
This isn't even a headline, the new York times reported this story in 2017 word for word, nothing t changed in 3 years, it's just another bullshit biased journalism piece which makes people think, I dunno maybe it is fake news | |||
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"I just heard half of a piece on aljazeera about the intest only loans he has that are hundreds of million dollars,all will be due to end in 2-3 years time...it will be interesting to see how that pans out... thats why the NYT were talking about foreign banks having the question of potentially "foreclosing on an sitting president" why you have to say potentially makes him a huge national security risk......" This guy doubles down on every single piece of bullshit he writes, and then says Donald is the king of double down, shit man you've bullshitted more story's than trump ever could, you lead with one black person being murdered by the police after another as if it's a reality just like trump, your the exact opposite but you claim moral superiority?. What from exactly, your not stirring your side up (black supremacy) like the Don? Personally I think you know exactly what your doing, no different than the don. | |||
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"Just breaking news the New York times say trump only paid $750 in tax the year he took up office as president...$750 the previous year and bugger all for the ten years prior to this. No wonder he didn't want to give his tax returns eh.. just working my way thru the story now... wow..... it shows how indebted he is... why explains why he never wanted to release them... by doesn't answer "who he is debted to now.... You can't have worked your way all the way through the story then as they quite clearly say he actually paid 5 million dollars but only owed 750 dollars
I'm not sure which alternate universe you live in, but Trump only paid $750 tax in 2016 and paid nothing in ten out of the last fifteen years. He's also in dispute with the IRS about a tax refund, which if he loses, could see him owing them around $300m.
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It's right there at the bottom of the new York times article.
He PAID 1 million dollars in 2016 and 4.2 million dollars in 2017 DESPITE only owing 750 dollars for both years due to significant losses, he let them keep the money and offset it to future taxes owed.
I've read the entire article too, and you've completely misunderstood the reasons why he made those payments, and the benefits to him of rolling those payments forward. Try reading the relevant paragraphs again ... carefully. I've helpfully pasted them below for you.
"As he settled into the Oval Office, his tax bills soon returned to form. His potential taxable income in 2016 and 2017 included $24.8 million in profits from sources related to his celebrity status and $56.4 million for the loans he did not repay. The dreaded alternative minimum tax would let his business losses erase only some of his liability.
Each time, he requested an extension to file his 1040; and each time, he made the required payment to the I.R.S. for income taxes he might owe — $1 million for 2016 and $4.2 million for 2017. But virtually all of that liability was washed away when he eventually filed, and most of the payments were rolled forward to cover potential taxes in future."
Rolling those payments over meant that he actually only paid $750 tax in both 2016 and 2017 and he will use his usual ploy of registering huge future business losses to write off the rolled over payments and attempt to claim them back as a tax refund.
The problem he has now is that the whole house of cards he has built up, is in danger of collapsing and taking him down with it. If you've read the article you should understand how and why, though I doubt if you'll acknowledge it..
So your agreeing with me then that he paid 5.2 million not 750, you've even just wrote it yourself .
The future is not known, he may get it back in tax credits or he may not but he paid 5.2 million to the tax man not 750
I'm so sorry, I didn't realise that I was dealing with the worlds finest accountant. If only the NYT had known of your existence they wouldn't have had to employ all those skilled investigative journalists and accountants to pour over Trumps tax returns, they could simply have asked you. Fancy all those fancy professionals wasting their time and efforts and still coming up with the wrong conclusions, when all they had to do was log onto the fab politics forum for your far superior opinion.
Imagine how silly all those other news outlets who also reported on the story are going to feel when they realise that the NYT had it wrong all along.
I salute your brilliance sir! .
No problem, it was in their own article, you just had to read it all and not the headline like you did .
Once you've actually read it like you admitted you were completely wrong, he didn't pay 1500 dollars but 5.2 million dollars over the years 2016-17 despite only actual owing 1500 dollars.
This isn't even a headline, the new York times reported this story in 2017 word for word, nothing t changed in 3 years, it's just another bullshit biased journalism piece which makes people think, I dunno maybe it is fake news "I have have read the entire article, and I appear to understand it far better than you do, or are willing to admit. Neither the NYT, nor I was wrong. You can do as much whataboutary as you wish about how much tax Trump actually paid, but it's all smoke and mirrors anyway because Trump only paid $1500 federal income tax for both 2016 and 2017 and he knows that his accounts will show huge losses again in future years so he can claim back the five million he paid in alternative minimum tax as a refund. This time though, his usual tax avoidance ploy will not get him out of trouble because of the personal loans due for repayment within the next few years. He's in a whole load of financial trouble and he knows it. Obviously you're a fan of Trump, and rather like the rest of his followers you'll excuse all of his criminal activities and defend him to the hilt, so it's completely pointless to prolong this tit for tat exchange any further. | |||
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"Back trolling again, eh? This is a thread about Trump's tax returns. If you don't want to talk about that or anything to do with the USA, you could simply not comment on the thread. You'd save yourself the time and effort of involving yourself in something you don't care about. (And the rest of already know your opinion on anything not explicitly to do with the UK directly, so you don't need to repeat it on every thread that you're not interested in.) It’s an opinion which should be heard, If you’re so upset that I do not agree with your worldview that America is so important, that is the very essence of debate. I stand by my reasoning, America is not our problem because there are higher pressing issues in the UK which we can have an affect upon. No, the essence of debate is giving way once your point is made. If all you have beyond that is repetition, you are stifling the debate. I have given reasons, and I disagree with the arguments presented. Like I have said, the only people who can do anything about what going on in America, are the Americans, we brits can’t say much because we have our own problems to face, for example, the rise of covid, our economy, the current relaxtion of planning laws, the cronyism in government, the conclusion of brexit etc.etc. What happens in America in November is extremely significant to what happens over here. If Trump wins a second term, then that will embolden our own populist PM as well as others around the world, with detrimental consequences for the populations of those countries. If he loses it could well help to reign them in a little and give us a chance to return to a more moderate form of politics. Countries cannot exist in limbo I'm afraid. They have though, I disagree with the emboldening aspect, what we did here it’s all on us, hence the focus on here. Countries have not lived in isolation since man first learned to navigate the oceans. There has been trading and wars between nations for thousands of years. The right wing most definitely have been emboldened by Trumps tenure in the White House, and if you won't listen to me, perhaps you'll take notice of the Guardian. "Yet US elections have an impact on 7 billion people, not just 330 million, and rarely has that been more apparent. Mr Trump’s personal interests have corrupted American foreign policy. His instincts have enabled and encouraged the flourishing of nationalism and authoritarianism worldwide. We are watching the crumbling of a world order that, despite its terrible flaws and hypocrisies, has retained, for many, authority – and which looks to be replaced by something much worse." I'm a little sick of your naive trolling now, so I'm just going to ignore you from now on. If you persist in spamming every thread about American politics with your childish admonitions, then hopefully a passing mod will give you a time out, because it's becoming very irritating. Perfectly fine, the Guardian, Just like the DM, they seem to have a propensity to support someones view when they need it the most. If you could only look beyond the narrative provided, maybe you could establish your own. Just saying. I understand world affairs perfectly well thank you, and obviously far better than you, apparently. I do not have a narrative, and nor do I follow anyone else's, I am quite capable of making my own mind up with the help of news outlets from around the world, of which the Guardian makes up one, and the Daily Fail zero. I also possess years of life experience. I do not need, nor want advice from interfering and annoying people on internet forums telling me what I should and should not think, thank you very much. " Understandable, you do you, of course you have your own opinion and I have mine, in this world there is no right or wrong just people muddling through attempting to make sense of a confusing world. I would never presume to denigrate your breadth of life experience. | |||
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