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"I've seen a lot of this on the forum in the politics section. Facts are presented. They're then roundly ignored by certain people. Was it always this way with facts? Or is it worse than it used to be? I think it might be worse due to social media. Anybody can dive in, read a thing that's utterly unsubstantiated, then think it has equal validity to a well documented fact. They can also immediately comment on a thing and think that means something. Is this why some people think facts and opinions hold equal value and are interchangeable, too? I also think certain people in high positions have eroded trust in facts. Trump has often decried news he doesn't like as fake news. Gove famously stated the British public had had quite enough of experts. Johnson has lied prodigiously and dodged scrutiny whenever possible. And Murdoch has been spreading lies throughout the country for many years. " The fake news is a big one. Trump will give an interview where he will say something controversial and claim it as fake news. Saw it on here with the bleach thing.People were literally denying what he had actually said. | |||
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"Funny how you only mentioned people on one side of politics! What about Blair and WMD?" I think they're giving more recent examples, rather than pointing to the right wing | |||
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"Funny how you only mentioned people on one side of politics! What about Blair and WMD? I think they're giving more recent examples, rather than pointing to the right wing " Oh you mean "we will prosper mightily" ? | |||
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"Funny how you only mentioned people on one side of politics! What about Blair and WMD? I think they're giving more recent examples, rather than pointing to the right wing " Or, there will be no border in the Irish sea | |||
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"Funny how you only mentioned people on one side of politics! What about Blair and WMD? I think they're giving more recent examples, rather than pointing to the right wing " Or maybe £365m a day for the NHS ? | |||
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"Funny how you only mentioned people on one side of politics! What about Blair and WMD?" I don’t think the OP was intentionally aimed at right wing it’s just recent . Blair was a world class bullshitter and a seriously well marketed product. We all fell for his crap because we wanted something different . What we got was same old same old. I actually think the other OP post about democracy is relevant to this post as we are being mislead constantly and no one is accountable . Poor accountability breeds poor government . | |||
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"I've seen a lot of this on the forum in the politics section. Facts are presented. They're then roundly ignored by certain people. Was it always this way with facts? Or is it worse than it used to be? I think it might be worse due to social media. Anybody can dive in, read a thing that's utterly unsubstantiated, then think it has equal validity to a well documented fact. They can also immediately comment on a thing and think that means something. Is this why some people think facts and opinions hold equal value and are interchangeable, too? I also think certain people in high positions have eroded trust in facts. Trump has often decried news he doesn't like as fake news. Gove famously stated the British public had had quite enough of experts. Johnson has lied prodigiously and dodged scrutiny whenever possible. And Murdoch has been spreading lies throughout the country for many years. " The world has changed, that's not in doubt. The last 5 years in particular has been called a post truth reality. There's a lot to unpack in that expression. It's been said (with reason) that feelings matter more than fact. There has been a return of propaganda that Goebbels would have approve of. We have seen the return of the 'Big Lie', Goebbels wrote: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. " Unregulated social media has shown itself to be cancerous to democracy. The other main drivers of this include unaccountable politicians and hyper partisan media with no regard for the truth. Boris Johnson is a serial and massive liar, this was known about him and yet the UK electorate still sent him to Downing Street. I reread 1984 over the lockdown and thought, damn, here we are living the dream. | |||
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"Funny how you only mentioned people on one side of politics! What about Blair and WMD?" You know what Mp voted.against theIraq invasion dont you ? Jezza  | |||
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"Funny how you only mentioned people on one side of politics! What about Blair and WMD? You know what Mp voted.against theIraq invasion dont you ? Jezza "The Tory supporters love to raise it as a stick to attack others but seem to ignore that the Tories were solidly in favour of Blair's actions.. | |||
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"Funny how you only mentioned people on one side of politics! What about Blair and WMD? You know what Mp voted.against theIraq invasion dont you ? Jezza "And do you know who voted in favour , Boris | |||
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"I've seen a lot of this on the forum in the politics section. Facts are presented. They're then roundly ignored by certain people. Was it always this way with facts? Or is it worse than it used to be? I think it might be worse due to social media. Anybody can dive in, read a thing that's utterly unsubstantiated, then think it has equal validity to a well documented fact. They can also immediately comment on a thing and think that means something. Is this why some people think facts and opinions hold equal value and are interchangeable, too? I also think certain people in high positions have eroded trust in facts. Trump has often decried news he doesn't like as fake news. Gove famously stated the British public had had quite enough of experts. Johnson has lied prodigiously and dodged scrutiny whenever possible. And Murdoch has been spreading lies throughout the country for many years. " You are a cynic | |||
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"A lot of people also over simplify very complex and nuanced situations or topics. Not just social media, but the Internet has made information so readily available and I stress the word information, as it can be true/false/misleading. All you guys seem reasonable people, not sure I'd wish to debate some of you, as wouldn't be able to pull sources off top of my head left right and centre, but I do have an interest at in how people with opposing opinions interact, I love it when a civil discussion can take place without any nastiness to each other, or even being nasty about the figures or topics being discussed. "I agree with you but sadly here many do not know any facts they just believe the internet gossip and do not assess both sides of the argument and are not interested only what suits there own agenda | |||
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"How do you know a fact is actually a true fact? Every politician will only give you the facts that they want you to know. Even if the fact isn't completely correct. " Things like evidence, corroboration and scrutiny. I don't think we're at the stage yet that facts are indiscernible. It's more a case that it doesn't matter any more, and we're no longer talking about stretching the truth, now its blatant unrepentant provable lies. | |||
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"A lot of people also over simplify very complex and nuanced situations or topics. Not just social media, but the Internet has made information so readily available and I stress the word information, as it can be true/false/misleading. All you guys seem reasonable people, not sure I'd wish to debate some of you, as wouldn't be able to pull sources off top of my head left right and centre, but I do have an interest at in how people with opposing opinions interact, I love it when a civil discussion can take place without any nastiness to each other, or even being nasty about the figures or topics being discussed. I agree with you but sadly here many do not know any facts they just believe the internet gossip and do not assess both sides of the argument and are not interested only what suits there own agenda"And yet Emma your the only one that I and others recall saying they would spit on others who voted to remain? And as for objectivity..hmm | |||
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"A lot of people also over simplify very complex and nuanced situations or topics. Not just social media, but the Internet has made information so readily available and I stress the word information, as it can be true/false/misleading. All you guys seem reasonable people, not sure I'd wish to debate some of you, as wouldn't be able to pull sources off top of my head left right and centre, but I do have an interest at in how people with opposing opinions interact, I love it when a civil discussion can take place without any nastiness to each other, or even being nasty about the figures or topics being discussed. "How dare you call me reasonable ??? Only kidding. Your words make sense but I think reason is disappearing to the blind followings across the political divide. We the common people are really in the dark. | |||
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"I've seen a lot of this on the forum in the politics section. Facts are presented. They're then roundly ignored by certain people. Was it always this way with facts? Or is it worse than it used to be? I think it might be worse due to social media. Anybody can dive in, read a thing that's utterly unsubstantiated, then think it has equal validity to a well documented fact. They can also immediately comment on a thing and think that means something. Is this why some people think facts and opinions hold equal value and are interchangeable, too? I also think certain people in high positions have eroded trust in facts. Trump has often decried news he doesn't like as fake news. Gove famously stated the British public had had quite enough of experts. Johnson has lied prodigiously and dodged scrutiny whenever possible. And Murdoch has been spreading lies throughout the country for many years. You are a cynic" Questioning the bullshit is not being a cynic is using his brain to question. You should try it ! Again because you don’t like what he wrote you insult . Why??? If he’s wrong answer with facts not insults ! Debate is not about arguing it’s about reasoned thinking and discussion . I’m wrong often but I don’t insult those who correct me. If they are proving me wrong then I am learning . | |||
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"I've seen a lot of this on the forum in the politics section. Facts are presented. They're then roundly ignored by certain people. Was it always this way with facts? Or is it worse than it used to be? I think it might be worse due to social media. Anybody can dive in, read a thing that's utterly unsubstantiated, then think it has equal validity to a well documented fact. They can also immediately comment on a thing and think that means something. Is this why some people think facts and opinions hold equal value and are interchangeable, too? I also think certain people in high positions have eroded trust in facts. Trump has often decried news he doesn't like as fake news. Gove famously stated the British public had had quite enough of experts. Johnson has lied prodigiously and dodged scrutiny whenever possible. And Murdoch has been spreading lies throughout the country for many years. " There are 2 main reasons, Trump with his ‘fake news’ mantra, and Brexit which created ‘project fear ‘ . Once both have been proven to be based on utter lies then hopefully people will start to take notice of facts again | |||
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"I've seen a lot of this on the forum in the politics section. Facts are presented. They're then roundly ignored by certain people. Was it always this way with facts? Or is it worse than it used to be? I think it might be worse due to social media. Anybody can dive in, read a thing that's utterly unsubstantiated, then think it has equal validity to a well documented fact. They can also immediately comment on a thing and think that means something. Is this why some people think facts and opinions hold equal value and are interchangeable, too? I also think certain people in high positions have eroded trust in facts. Trump has often decried news he doesn't like as fake news. Gove famously stated the British public had had quite enough of experts. Johnson has lied prodigiously and dodged scrutiny whenever possible. And Murdoch has been spreading lies throughout the country for many years. There are 2 main reasons, Trump with his ‘fake news’ mantra, and Brexit which created ‘project fear ‘ . Once both have been proven to be based on utter lies then hopefully people will start to take notice of facts again " It would be nice, wouldn't it? But certain people flat out ignore facts now. I don't see why they'll suddenly start listening to them in the future. | |||
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"A lot of people also over simplify very complex and nuanced situations or topics. Not just social media, but the Internet has made information so readily available and I stress the word information, as it can be true/false/misleading. All you guys seem reasonable people, not sure I'd wish to debate some of you, as wouldn't be able to pull sources off top of my head left right and centre, but I do have an interest at in how people with opposing opinions interact, I love it when a civil discussion can take place without any nastiness to each other, or even being nasty about the figures or topics being discussed. I agree with you but sadly here many do not know any facts they just believe the internet gossip and do not assess both sides of the argument and are not interested only what suits there own agenda
And yet Emma your the only one that I and others recall saying they would spit on others who voted to remain?
And as for objectivity..hmm"Don't know why you bother. Not heard one factual or constructive post from that person since I've been on forums. I'd click that green arrow but I know exactly what to expect. | |||
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"I've seen a lot of this on the forum in the politics section. Facts are presented. They're then roundly ignored by certain people. Was it always this way with facts? Or is it worse than it used to be? I think it might be worse due to social media. Anybody can dive in, read a thing that's utterly unsubstantiated, then think it has equal validity to a well documented fact. They can also immediately comment on a thing and think that means something. Is this why some people think facts and opinions hold equal value and are interchangeable, too? I also think certain people in high positions have eroded trust in facts. Trump has often decried news he doesn't like as fake news. Gove famously stated the British public had had quite enough of experts. Johnson has lied prodigiously and dodged scrutiny whenever possible. And Murdoch has been spreading lies throughout the country for many years. " I think people started ignoring facts in 2016. Two major political events happened that year that paved the way for misinformation. | |||
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"I've seen a lot of this on the forum in the politics section. Facts are presented. They're then roundly ignored by certain people. Was it always this way with facts? Or is it worse than it used to be? I think it might be worse due to social media. Anybody can dive in, read a thing that's utterly unsubstantiated, then think it has equal validity to a well documented fact. They can also immediately comment on a thing and think that means something. Is this why some people think facts and opinions hold equal value and are interchangeable, too? I also think certain people in high positions have eroded trust in facts. Trump has often decried news he doesn't like as fake news. Gove famously stated the British public had had quite enough of experts. Johnson has lied prodigiously and dodged scrutiny whenever possible. And Murdoch has been spreading lies throughout the country for many years. There are 2 main reasons, Trump with his ‘fake news’ mantra, and Brexit which created ‘project fear ‘ . Once both have been proven to be based on utter lies then hopefully people will start to take notice of facts again " I think lies on both sides of the argument over Brexit . Ready made deal, £350million etc Project fear was called that by the Brexit leaning press and the Brexit party it was not called anything by the remainers so proves a point of lies leading the debate . When you look at the sources on both sides we will see just a load of made up shit and should all be able to say actually you lied so you are sacked ! The whole of politics is sullied with our dishonest politicians in both camps and we should fight back for the truth . | |||
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"I've seen a lot of this on the forum in the politics section. Facts are presented. They're then roundly ignored by certain people. Was it always this way with facts? Or is it worse than it used to be? I think it might be worse due to social media. Anybody can dive in, read a thing that's utterly unsubstantiated, then think it has equal validity to a well documented fact. They can also immediately comment on a thing and think that means something. Is this why some people think facts and opinions hold equal value and are interchangeable, too? I also think certain people in high positions have eroded trust in facts. Trump has often decried news he doesn't like as fake news. Gove famously stated the British public had had quite enough of experts. Johnson has lied prodigiously and dodged scrutiny whenever possible. And Murdoch has been spreading lies throughout the country for many years. There are 2 main reasons, Trump with his ‘fake news’ mantra, and Brexit which created ‘project fear ‘ . Once both have been proven to be based on utter lies then hopefully people will start to take notice of facts again It would be nice, wouldn't it? But certain people flat out ignore facts now. I don't see why they'll suddenly start listening to them in the future." I think social media is starting to change and be one more accountable , they have started to censor and fact check some of Trumps lies , this is a good sign for the future | |||
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"It's always interesting talking with Emma. It tends to go this way: Emma, the sky is blue. That's just your opinion. No, it's a fact. Just look out the window for yourself. You're biased. You're not looking at it from both sides. Emma, it really is blue. See for yourself. I don't care if it's blue or not. I know what I believe." You missed a very important factor, according to Emma it is always Corbyns fault. Boris is shit , Corbyns Failt, no deal Brexit, Corbyns fault, the government have made a fuck up with the pandemic, Corbyns fault | |||
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"Who cares anymore about corbyn he’s gone forever lol" Is your name Emma??  | |||
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"Who cares anymore about corbyn he’s gone forever lol Is your name Emma?? "lol why did you mention he who must not be named? He's like catnip for certain people on the politics forum. | |||
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"Who cares anymore about corbyn he’s gone forever lol Is your name Emma??
lol why did you mention he who must not be named? He's like catnip for certain people on the politics forum." | |||
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"Are comments about an event or events in the future that have not yet happened facts or opinions" They're opinions based on, and extrapolating from, current facts. | |||
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"Are comments about an event or events in the future that have not yet happened facts or opinions They're opinions based on, and extrapolating from, current facts." So opinions it is then | |||
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"Are comments about an event or events in the future that have not yet happened facts or opinions They're opinions based on, and extrapolating from, current facts." Conjecture | |||
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"Are comments about an event or events in the future that have not yet happened facts or opinions They're opinions based on, and extrapolating from, current facts. Conjecture " Will it be Xmas day on December 25th? | |||
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"I've seen a lot of this on the forum in the politics section. Facts are presented. They're then roundly ignored by certain people. Was it always this way with facts? Or is it worse than it used to be? I think it might be worse due to social media. Anybody can dive in, read a thing that's utterly unsubstantiated, then think it has equal validity to a well documented fact. They can also immediately comment on a thing and think that means something. Is this why some people think facts and opinions hold equal value and are interchangeable, too? I also think certain people in high positions have eroded trust in facts. Trump has often decried news he doesn't like as fake news. Gove famously stated the British public had had quite enough of experts. Johnson has lied prodigiously and dodged scrutiny whenever possible. And Murdoch has been spreading lies throughout the country for many years. " In the old days facts and irrefutable logic were necessary to win an argument. Today you can deny anything, declare anything to be true no matter how obviously it is untrue. The winner of today's argument is the person who manages to be offended first. | |||
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"Are comments about an event or events in the future that have not yet happened facts or opinions They're opinions based on, and extrapolating from, current facts. Conjecture Will it be Xmas day on December 25th? " Hopefully ... | |||
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"A lot of people also over simplify very complex and nuanced situations or topics. Not just social media, but the Internet has made information so readily available and I stress the word information, as it can be true/false/misleading. All you guys seem reasonable people, not sure I'd wish to debate some of you, as wouldn't be able to pull sources off top of my head left right and centre, but I do have an interest at in how people with opposing opinions interact, I love it when a civil discussion can take place without any nastiness to each other, or even being nasty about the figures or topics being discussed.
How dare you call me reasonable ???
Only kidding. Your words make sense but I think reason is disappearing to the blind followings across the political divide.
We the common people are really in the dark. "Wait till the social dinner and I shall call you reasonable there 
A lot of politics, as previously pointed out, is so polarising that reason and common sense can often be lost. And it happens on both sides, neither is it just the blind followers.
It's a very good tactic from the powers that should not be to flood the common people with so much information, that the vast majority would not research, and then drip feed propaganda type news to keep us in the dark | |||
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"I've seen a lot of this on the forum in the politics section. Facts are presented. They're then roundly ignored by certain people. Was it always this way with facts? Or is it worse than it used to be? I think it might be worse due to social media. Anybody can dive in, read a thing that's utterly unsubstantiated, then think it has equal validity to a well documented fact. They can also immediately comment on a thing and think that means something. Is this why some people think facts and opinions hold equal value and are interchangeable, too? I also think certain people in high positions have eroded trust in facts. Trump has often decried news he doesn't like as fake news. Gove famously stated the British public had had quite enough of experts. Johnson has lied prodigiously and dodged scrutiny whenever possible. And Murdoch has been spreading lies throughout the country for many years. " when people began using their opinion as “fact” | |||
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"Funny how you only mentioned people on one side of politics! What about Blair and WMD? I think they're giving more recent examples, rather than pointing to the right wing Oh you mean "we will prosper mightily" ?" No we won't. | |||
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"Funny how you only mentioned people on one side of politics! What about Blair and WMD? I think they're giving more recent examples, rather than pointing to the right wing Or, there will be no border in the Irish sea" Hope not | |||
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"Are comments about an event or events in the future that have not yet happened facts or opinions They're opinions based on, and extrapolating from, current facts. Conjecture Will it be Xmas day on December 25th? " Also hope so though not everywhere as for some its just the 25th December. It is also something that has been done before many times | |||
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"Funny how you only mentioned people on one side of politics! What about Blair and WMD? I think they're giving more recent examples, rather than pointing to the right wing Or maybe £365m a day for the NHS ?" More likely to end up in the pockets of private contractors who are in the process of killing off the NHS | |||
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"Are comments about an event or events in the future that have not yet happened facts or opinions They're opinions based on, and extrapolating from, current facts. Conjecture " Conjecture does sound the correct description of the above | |||
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Also when you have 10 times more Daily Maily readers than Guardian or Times readers, you know what kind of strategy you should be using as a politician. Why would you try to use deep and complex arguments when the vast majority of the electorate crave simplicity and stupid yes/no answers. To appeal and convince the Daily Mail readers, you need to keep things simple so why would you bother quoting and trusting intelligent experts?
Why would you try to be more elaborate and thorough in your argumentation when the majority of the population are happy with ‘strong and stable, get brexit done or for the many not the few’. Lying, cutting corners and shouting fake news every ten seconds has more of an impact than thorough reasoning..
People are thicker and thicker in our society so our politicians are more and more shallow so our country ( and many other western countries) are led by populists who cut corners and tell you any crap the thickos want to hear. Johnson and a Trump are the perfect examples.
It’s called the race to the bottom. You only need to look at the calibre of our current politicians who keep lying and can’t go beyond soundbites. We have the politicians we deserve. Let’s make sure people are better educated, that intelligence and knowledge are more respected and we will end up having better debates/ arguments. Bring back intelligence, knowledge, experts, philosophers, etc... and let’s educate the thickos. That’s the way to heal our society and our politics.
And to those who think that they are part of the thickest I’ve described or that this post is condescendand and arrogant I will gently tell you to get lost. | |||
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"When did facts and experts stop being listened to? When the thickos took charge and when ‘the end justifies the means’ started to be accepted in politics. Not quite sure when it started but we live in a society where intelligent people are less listened to and respected than they used to be. Some people who can’t spell ‘there/their or would have/would of or who are not very educated seem to think that they’re as competent or as credible as experts in their field. I wish these people were trying to sort out their own shortcomings before trying to sort out complex international affairs... I wouldn’t trust somebody who doesn’t know his times tables to build rocket to get to the moon. I don’t trust people who don’t know what a verb is to be able to have a genuine and credible opinion on complex matters. Some people think they’re entitled to have a view on anything these days even on things they haven’t got a clue about. When did peopl3 stop knowing their limits. I think I know mine and I accept them. Personally I do not give my views on things I haven’t got enough knowledge about. I’d rather read posts from people who know what they’re talking about. There are plenty of topics I don’t know much about and I’d rather learn about them than giving my views, Brexit is the perfect example. Because a lot of simple minded have read the same lies about the EU in our world beating rags for 30 years, they think they know it all about the EU. You ask them to tell you the difference between the European Commission and the European Parliament and they haven’t got a clue. Still they have an opinion on the EU. .
Also when you have 10 times more Daily Maily readers than Guardian or Times readers, you know what kind of strategy you should be using as a politician. Why would you try to use deep and complex arguments when the vast majority of the electorate crave simplicity and stupid yes/no answers. To appeal and convince the Daily Mail readers, you need to keep things simple so why would you bother quoting and trusting intelligent experts?
Why would you try to be more elaborate and thorough in your argumentation when the majority of the population are happy with ‘strong and stable, get brexit done or for the many not the few’. Lying, cutting corners and shouting fake news every ten seconds has more of an impact than thorough reasoning..
People are thicker and thicker in our society so our politicians are more and more shallow so our country ( and many other western countries) are led by populists who cut corners and tell you any crap the thickos want to hear. Johnson and a Trump are the perfect examples.
It’s called the race to the bottom. You only need to look at the calibre of our current politicians who keep lying and can’t go beyond soundbites. We have the politicians we deserve. Let’s make sure people are better educated, that intelligence and knowledge are more respected and we will end up having better debates/ arguments. Bring back intelligence, knowledge, experts, philosophers, etc... and let’s educate the thickos. That’s the way to heal our society and our politics.
And to those who think that they are part of the thickest I’ve described or that this post is condescendand and arrogant I will gently tell you to get lost. "Education is more critical than ever. | |||
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"When did facts and experts stop being listened to? When the thickos took charge and when ‘the end justifies the means’ started to be accepted in politics. Not quite sure when it started but we live in a society where intelligent people are less listened to and respected than they used to be. Some people who can’t spell ‘there/their or would have/would of or who are not very educated seem to think that they’re as competent or as credible as experts in their field. I wish these people were trying to sort out their own shortcomings before trying to sort out complex international affairs... I wouldn’t trust somebody who doesn’t know his times tables to build rocket to get to the moon. I don’t trust people who don’t know what a verb is to be able to have a genuine and credible opinion on complex matters. Some people think they’re entitled to have a view on anything these days even on things they haven’t got a clue about. When did peopl3 stop knowing their limits. I think I know mine and I accept them. Personally I do not give my views on things I haven’t got enough knowledge about. I’d rather read posts from people who know what they’re talking about. There are plenty of topics I don’t know much about and I’d rather learn about them than giving my views, Brexit is the perfect example. Because a lot of simple minded have read the same lies about the EU in our world beating rags for 30 years, they think they know it all about the EU. You ask them to tell you the difference between the European Commission and the European Parliament and they haven’t got a clue. Still they have an opinion on the EU. .
Also when you have 10 times more Daily Maily readers than Guardian or Times readers, you know what kind of strategy you should be using as a politician. Why would you try to use deep and complex arguments when the vast majority of the electorate crave simplicity and stupid yes/no answers. To appeal and convince the Daily Mail readers, you need to keep things simple so why would you bother quoting and trusting intelligent experts?
Why would you try to be more elaborate and thorough in your argumentation when the majority of the population are happy with ‘strong and stable, get brexit done or for the many not the few’. Lying, cutting corners and shouting fake news every ten seconds has more of an impact than thorough reasoning..
People are thicker and thicker in our society so our politicians are more and more shallow so our country ( and many other western countries) are led by populists who cut corners and tell you any crap the thickos want to hear. Johnson and a Trump are the perfect examples.
It’s called the race to the bottom. You only need to look at the calibre of our current politicians who keep lying and can’t go beyond soundbites. We have the politicians we deserve. Let’s make sure people are better educated, that intelligence and knowledge are more respected and we will end up having better debates/ arguments. Bring back intelligence, knowledge, experts, philosophers, etc... and let’s educate the thickos. That’s the way to heal our society and our politics.
And to those who think that they are part of the thickest I’ve described or that this post is condescendand and arrogant I will gently tell you to get lost.
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"When did facts and experts stop being listened to? When the thickos took charge and when ‘the end justifies the means’ started to be accepted in politics. Not quite sure when it started but we live in a society where intelligent people are less listened to and respected than they used to be. Some people who can’t spell ‘there/their or would have/would of or who are not very educated seem to think that they’re as competent or as credible as experts in their field. I wish these people were trying to sort out their own shortcomings before trying to sort out complex international affairs... I wouldn’t trust somebody who doesn’t know his times tables to build rocket to get to the moon. I don’t trust people who don’t know what a verb is to be able to have a genuine and credible opinion on complex matters. Some people think they’re entitled to have a view on anything these days even on things they haven’t got a clue about. When did peopl3 stop knowing their limits. I think I know mine and I accept them. Personally I do not give my views on things I haven’t got enough knowledge about. I’d rather read posts from people who know what they’re talking about. There are plenty of topics I don’t know much about and I’d rather learn about them than giving my views, Brexit is the perfect example. Because a lot of simple minded have read the same lies about the EU in our world beating rags for 30 years, they think they know it all about the EU. You ask them to tell you the difference between the European Commission and the European Parliament and they haven’t got a clue. Still they have an opinion on the EU. .
Also when you have 10 times more Daily Maily readers than Guardian or Times readers, you know what kind of strategy you should be using as a politician. Why would you try to use deep and complex arguments when the vast majority of the electorate crave simplicity and stupid yes/no answers. To appeal and convince the Daily Mail readers, you need to keep things simple so why would you bother quoting and trusting intelligent experts?
Why would you try to be more elaborate and thorough in your argumentation when the majority of the population are happy with ‘strong and stable, get brexit done or for the many not the few’. Lying, cutting corners and shouting fake news every ten seconds has more of an impact than thorough reasoning..
People are thicker and thicker in our society so our politicians are more and more shallow so our country ( and many other western countries) are led by populists who cut corners and tell you any crap the thickos want to hear. Johnson and a Trump are the perfect examples.
It’s called the race to the bottom. You only need to look at the calibre of our current politicians who keep lying and can’t go beyond soundbites. We have the politicians we deserve. Let’s make sure people are better educated, that intelligence and knowledge are more respected and we will end up having better debates/ arguments. Bring back intelligence, knowledge, experts, philosophers, etc... and let’s educate the thickos. That’s the way to heal our society and our politics.
And to those who think that they are part of the thickest I’ve described or that this post is condescendand and arrogant I will gently tell you to get lost.
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"When did facts and experts stop being listened to? When the thickos took charge and when ‘the end justifies the means’ started to be accepted in politics. Not quite sure when it started but we live in a society where intelligent people are less listened to and respected than they used to be. Some people who can’t spell ‘there/their or would have/would of or who are not very educated seem to think that they’re as competent or as credible as experts in their field. I wish these people were trying to sort out their own shortcomings before trying to sort out complex international affairs... I wouldn’t trust somebody who doesn’t know his times tables to build rocket to get to the moon. I don’t trust people who don’t know what a verb is to be able to have a genuine and credible opinion on complex matters. Some people think they’re entitled to have a view on anything these days even on things they haven’t got a clue about. When did peopl3 stop knowing their limits. I think I know mine and I accept them. Personally I do not give my views on things I haven’t got enough knowledge about. I’d rather read posts from people who know what they’re talking about. There are plenty of topics I don’t know much about and I’d rather learn about them than giving my views, Brexit is the perfect example. Because a lot of simple minded have read the same lies about the EU in our world beating rags for 30 years, they think they know it all about the EU. You ask them to tell you the difference between the European Commission and the European Parliament and they haven’t got a clue. Still they have an opinion on the EU. .
Also when you have 10 times more Daily Maily readers than Guardian or Times readers, you know what kind of strategy you should be using as a politician. Why would you try to use deep and complex arguments when the vast majority of the electorate crave simplicity and stupid yes/no answers. To appeal and convince the Daily Mail readers, you need to keep things simple so why would you bother quoting and trusting intelligent experts?
Why would you try to be more elaborate and thorough in your argumentation when the majority of the population are happy with ‘strong and stable, get brexit done or for the many not the few’. Lying, cutting corners and shouting fake news every ten seconds has more of an impact than thorough reasoning..
People are thicker and thicker in our society so our politicians are more and more shallow so our country ( and many other western countries) are led by populists who cut corners and tell you any crap the thickos want to hear. Johnson and a Trump are the perfect examples.
It’s called the race to the bottom. You only need to look at the calibre of our current politicians who keep lying and can’t go beyond soundbites. We have the politicians we deserve. Let’s make sure people are better educated, that intelligence and knowledge are more respected and we will end up having better debates/ arguments. Bring back intelligence, knowledge, experts, philosophers, etc... and let’s educate the thickos. That’s the way to heal our society and our politics.
And to those who think that they are part of the thickest I’ve described or that this post is condescendand and arrogant I will gently tell you to get lost. "I think you're fighting the last war, so to speak. I don't think it's about facts or intelligence. Now it's more important to make the voter feel a particular way. It's now necessary to make an emotional connection and then voters will ignore facts. | |||
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"When did facts and experts stop being listened to? When the thickos took charge and when ‘the end justifies the means’ started to be accepted in politics. Not quite sure when it started but we live in a society where intelligent people are less listened to and respected than they used to be. Some people who can’t spell ‘there/their or would have/would of or who are not very educated seem to think that they’re as competent or as credible as experts in their field. I wish these people were trying to sort out their own shortcomings before trying to sort out complex international affairs... I wouldn’t trust somebody who doesn’t know his times tables to build rocket to get to the moon. I don’t trust people who don’t know what a verb is to be able to have a genuine and credible opinion on complex matters. Some people think they’re entitled to have a view on anything these days even on things they haven’t got a clue about. When did peopl3 stop knowing their limits. I think I know mine and I accept them. Personally I do not give my views on things I haven’t got enough knowledge about. I’d rather read posts from people who know what they’re talking about. There are plenty of topics I don’t know much about and I’d rather learn about them than giving my views, Brexit is the perfect example. Because a lot of simple minded have read the same lies about the EU in our world beating rags for 30 years, they think they know it all about the EU. You ask them to tell you the difference between the European Commission and the European Parliament and they haven’t got a clue. Still they have an opinion on the EU. .
Also when you have 10 times more Daily Maily readers than Guardian or Times readers, you know what kind of strategy you should be using as a politician. Why would you try to use deep and complex arguments when the vast majority of the electorate crave simplicity and stupid yes/no answers. To appeal and convince the Daily Mail readers, you need to keep things simple so why would you bother quoting and trusting intelligent experts?
Why would you try to be more elaborate and thorough in your argumentation when the majority of the population are happy with ‘strong and stable, get brexit done or for the many not the few’. Lying, cutting corners and shouting fake news every ten seconds has more of an impact than thorough reasoning..
People are thicker and thicker in our society so our politicians are more and more shallow so our country ( and many other western countries) are led by populists who cut corners and tell you any crap the thickos want to hear. Johnson and a Trump are the perfect examples.
It’s called the race to the bottom. You only need to look at the calibre of our current politicians who keep lying and can’t go beyond soundbites. We have the politicians we deserve. Let’s make sure people are better educated, that intelligence and knowledge are more respected and we will end up having better debates/ arguments. Bring back intelligence, knowledge, experts, philosophers, etc... and let’s educate the thickos. That’s the way to heal our society and our politics.
And to those who think that they are part of the thickest I’ve described or that this post is condescendand and arrogant I will gently tell you to get lost.
Education is more critical than ever.
Indeed and looks like I'm in need of some as do not know the word condescendand means. Can you help"Well done for finding a typo. There are probably a few more. Thank you for your enlightening contribution., | |||
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"When did facts and experts stop being listened to? When the thickos took charge and when ‘the end justifies the means’ started to be accepted in politics. Not quite sure when it started but we live in a society where intelligent people are less listened to and respected than they used to be. Some people who can’t spell ‘there/their or would have/would of or who are not very educated seem to think that they’re as competent or as credible as experts in their field. I wish these people were trying to sort out their own shortcomings before trying to sort out complex international affairs... I wouldn’t trust somebody who doesn’t know his times tables to build rocket to get to the moon. I don’t trust people who don’t know what a verb is to be able to have a genuine and credible opinion on complex matters. Some people think they’re entitled to have a view on anything these days even on things they haven’t got a clue about. When did peopl3 stop knowing their limits. I think I know mine and I accept them. Personally I do not give my views on things I haven’t got enough knowledge about. I’d rather read posts from people who know what they’re talking about. There are plenty of topics I don’t know much about and I’d rather learn about them than giving my views, Brexit is the perfect example. Because a lot of simple minded have read the same lies about the EU in our world beating rags for 30 years, they think they know it all about the EU. You ask them to tell you the difference between the European Commission and the European Parliament and they haven’t got a clue. Still they have an opinion on the EU. .
Also when you have 10 times more Daily Maily readers than Guardian or Times readers, you know what kind of strategy you should be using as a politician. Why would you try to use deep and complex arguments when the vast majority of the electorate crave simplicity and stupid yes/no answers. To appeal and convince the Daily Mail readers, you need to keep things simple so why would you bother quoting and trusting intelligent experts?
Why would you try to be more elaborate and thorough in your argumentation when the majority of the population are happy with ‘strong and stable, get brexit done or for the many not the few’. Lying, cutting corners and shouting fake news every ten seconds has more of an impact than thorough reasoning..
People are thicker and thicker in our society so our politicians are more and more shallow so our country ( and many other western countries) are led by populists who cut corners and tell you any crap the thickos want to hear. Johnson and a Trump are the perfect examples.
It’s called the race to the bottom. You only need to look at the calibre of our current politicians who keep lying and can’t go beyond soundbites. We have the politicians we deserve. Let’s make sure people are better educated, that intelligence and knowledge are more respected and we will end up having better debates/ arguments. Bring back intelligence, knowledge, experts, philosophers, etc... and let’s educate the thickos. That’s the way to heal our society and our politics.
And to those who think that they are part of the thickest I’ve described or that this post is condescendand and arrogant I will gently tell you to get lost.
Education is more critical than ever.
Indeed and looks like I'm in need of some as do not know the word condescendand means. Can you help
Well done for finding a typo. There are probably a few more. Thank you for your enlightening contribution.,"Maybe more but found that error particularly amusing. | |||
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"Funny how you only mentioned people on one side of politics! What about Blair and WMD? I don’t think the OP was intentionally aimed at right wing it’s just recent . Blair was a world class bullshitter and a seriously well marketed product. We all fell for his crap because we wanted something different . What we got was same old same old. I actually think the other OP post about democracy is relevant to this post as we are being mislead constantly and no one is accountable . Poor accountability breeds poor government . " He made me realise that most parties are the same, just a different colour scheme. | |||
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"When did facts and experts stop being listened to? When the thickos took charge and when ‘the end justifies the means’ started to be accepted in politics. Not quite sure when it started but we live in a society where intelligent people are less listened to and respected than they used to be. Some people who can’t spell ‘there/their or would have/would of or who are not very educated seem to think that they’re as competent or as credible as experts in their field. I wish these people were trying to sort out their own shortcomings before trying to sort out complex international affairs... I wouldn’t trust somebody who doesn’t know his times tables to build rocket to get to the moon. I don’t trust people who don’t know what a verb is to be able to have a genuine and credible opinion on complex matters. Some people think they’re entitled to have a view on anything these days even on things they haven’t got a clue about. When did peopl3 stop knowing their limits. I think I know mine and I accept them. Personally I do not give my views on things I haven’t got enough knowledge about. I’d rather read posts from people who know what they’re talking about. There are plenty of topics I don’t know much about and I’d rather learn about them than giving my views, Brexit is the perfect example. Because a lot of simple minded have read the same lies about the EU in our world beating rags for 30 years, they think they know it all about the EU. You ask them to tell you the difference between the European Commission and the European Parliament and they haven’t got a clue. Still they have an opinion on the EU. .
Also when you have 10 times more Daily Maily readers than Guardian or Times readers, you know what kind of strategy you should be using as a politician. Why would you try to use deep and complex arguments when the vast majority of the electorate crave simplicity and stupid yes/no answers. To appeal and convince the Daily Mail readers, you need to keep things simple so why would you bother quoting and trusting intelligent experts?
Why would you try to be more elaborate and thorough in your argumentation when the majority of the population are happy with ‘strong and stable, get brexit done or for the many not the few’. Lying, cutting corners and shouting fake news every ten seconds has more of an impact than thorough reasoning..
People are thicker and thicker in our society so our politicians are more and more shallow so our country ( and many other western countries) are led by populists who cut corners and tell you any crap the thickos want to hear. Johnson and a Trump are the perfect examples.
It’s called the race to the bottom. You only need to look at the calibre of our current politicians who keep lying and can’t go beyond soundbites. We have the politicians we deserve. Let’s make sure people are better educated, that intelligence and knowledge are more respected and we will end up having better debates/ arguments. Bring back intelligence, knowledge, experts, philosophers, etc... and let’s educate the thickos. That’s the way to heal our society and our politics.
And to those who think that they are part of the thickest I’ve described or that this post is condescendand and arrogant I will gently tell you to get lost.
I think you're fighting the last war, so to speak. I don't think it's about facts or intelligence. Now it's more important to make the voter feel a particular way. It's now necessary to make an emotional connection and then voters will ignore facts. "I'd agree. And the Brexit vote was a case sturdy for that. Time and time again, I've seen Brexiters ignore inconvenient facts and logic. They just felt strongly that they wanted to leave. It all came down to the way they felt. | |||
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"When did facts and experts stop being listened to? When the thickos took charge and when ‘the end justifies the means’ started to be accepted in politics. Not quite sure when it started but we live in a society where intelligent people are less listened to and respected than they used to be. Some people who can’t spell ‘there/their or would have/would of or who are not very educated seem to think that they’re as competent or as credible as experts in their field. I wish these people were trying to sort out their own shortcomings before trying to sort out complex international affairs... I wouldn’t trust somebody who doesn’t know his times tables to build rocket to get to the moon. I don’t trust people who don’t know what a verb is to be able to have a genuine and credible opinion on complex matters. Some people think they’re entitled to have a view on anything these days even on things they haven’t got a clue about. When did peopl3 stop knowing their limits. I think I know mine and I accept them. Personally I do not give my views on things I haven’t got enough knowledge about. I’d rather read posts from people who know what they’re talking about. There are plenty of topics I don’t know much about and I’d rather learn about them than giving my views, Brexit is the perfect example. Because a lot of simple minded have read the same lies about the EU in our world beating rags for 30 years, they think they know it all about the EU. You ask them to tell you the difference between the European Commission and the European Parliament and they haven’t got a clue. Still they have an opinion on the EU. .
Also when you have 10 times more Daily Maily readers than Guardian or Times readers, you know what kind of strategy you should be using as a politician. Why would you try to use deep and complex arguments when the vast majority of the electorate crave simplicity and stupid yes/no answers. To appeal and convince the Daily Mail readers, you need to keep things simple so why would you bother quoting and trusting intelligent experts?
Why would you try to be more elaborate and thorough in your argumentation when the majority of the population are happy with ‘strong and stable, get brexit done or for the many not the few’. Lying, cutting corners and shouting fake news every ten seconds has more of an impact than thorough reasoning..
People are thicker and thicker in our society so our politicians are more and more shallow so our country ( and many other western countries) are led by populists who cut corners and tell you any crap the thickos want to hear. Johnson and a Trump are the perfect examples.
It’s called the race to the bottom. You only need to look at the calibre of our current politicians who keep lying and can’t go beyond soundbites. We have the politicians we deserve. Let’s make sure people are better educated, that intelligence and knowledge are more respected and we will end up having better debates/ arguments. Bring back intelligence, knowledge, experts, philosophers, etc... and let’s educate the thickos. That’s the way to heal our society and our politics.
And to those who think that they are part of the thickest I’ve described or that this post is condescendand and arrogant I will gently tell you to get lost.
Education is more critical than ever.
Indeed and looks like I'm in need of some as do not know the word condescendand means. Can you help
Well done for finding a typo. There are probably a few more. Thank you for your enlightening contribution.,
Maybe more but found that error particularly amusing. "Glad to see that a D instead of a T can make your Monday evenings more cheerful. Every little helps some people would say. | |||
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"When did facts and experts stop being listened to? When the thickos took charge and when ‘the end justifies the means’ started to be accepted in politics. Not quite sure when it started but we live in a society where intelligent people are less listened to and respected than they used to be. Some people who can’t spell ‘there/their or would have/would of or who are not very educated seem to think that they’re as competent or as credible as experts in their field. I wish these people were trying to sort out their own shortcomings before trying to sort out complex international affairs... I wouldn’t trust somebody who doesn’t know his times tables to build rocket to get to the moon. I don’t trust people who don’t know what a verb is to be able to have a genuine and credible opinion on complex matters. Some people think they’re entitled to have a view on anything these days even on things they haven’t got a clue about. When did peopl3 stop knowing their limits. I think I know mine and I accept them. Personally I do not give my views on things I haven’t got enough knowledge about. I’d rather read posts from people who know what they’re talking about. There are plenty of topics I don’t know much about and I’d rather learn about them than giving my views, Brexit is the perfect example. Because a lot of simple minded have read the same lies about the EU in our world beating rags for 30 years, they think they know it all about the EU. You ask them to tell you the difference between the European Commission and the European Parliament and they haven’t got a clue. Still they have an opinion on the EU. .
Also when you have 10 times more Daily Maily readers than Guardian or Times readers, you know what kind of strategy you should be using as a politician. Why would you try to use deep and complex arguments when the vast majority of the electorate crave simplicity and stupid yes/no answers. To appeal and convince the Daily Mail readers, you need to keep things simple so why would you bother quoting and trusting intelligent experts?
Why would you try to be more elaborate and thorough in your argumentation when the majority of the population are happy with ‘strong and stable, get brexit done or for the many not the few’. Lying, cutting corners and shouting fake news every ten seconds has more of an impact than thorough reasoning..
People are thicker and thicker in our society so our politicians are more and more shallow so our country ( and many other western countries) are led by populists who cut corners and tell you any crap the thickos want to hear. Johnson and a Trump are the perfect examples.
It’s called the race to the bottom. You only need to look at the calibre of our current politicians who keep lying and can’t go beyond soundbites. We have the politicians we deserve. Let’s make sure people are better educated, that intelligence and knowledge are more respected and we will end up having better debates/ arguments. Bring back intelligence, knowledge, experts, philosophers, etc... and let’s educate the thickos. That’s the way to heal our society and our politics.
And to those who think that they are part of the thickest I’ve described or that this post is condescendand and arrogant I will gently tell you to get lost.
Education is more critical than ever.
Indeed and looks like I'm in need of some as do not know the word condescendand means. Can you help
Well done for finding a typo. There are probably a few more. Thank you for your enlightening contribution.,
Maybe more but found that error particularly amusing.
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"When did facts and experts stop being listened to? When the thickos took charge and when ‘the end justifies the means’ started to be accepted in politics. Not quite sure when it started but we live in a society where intelligent people are less listened to and respected than they used to be. Some people who can’t spell ‘there/their or would have/would of or who are not very educated seem to think that they’re as competent or as credible as experts in their field. I wish these people were trying to sort out their own shortcomings before trying to sort out complex international affairs... I wouldn’t trust somebody who doesn’t know his times tables to build rocket to get to the moon. I don’t trust people who don’t know what a verb is to be able to have a genuine and credible opinion on complex matters. Some people think they’re entitled to have a view on anything these days even on things they haven’t got a clue about. When did peopl3 stop knowing their limits. I think I know mine and I accept them. Personally I do not give my views on things I haven’t got enough knowledge about. I’d rather read posts from people who know what they’re talking about. There are plenty of topics I don’t know much about and I’d rather learn about them than giving my views, Brexit is the perfect example. Because a lot of simple minded have read the same lies about the EU in our world beating rags for 30 years, they think they know it all about the EU. You ask them to tell you the difference between the European Commission and the European Parliament and they haven’t got a clue. Still they have an opinion on the EU. .
Also when you have 10 times more Daily Maily readers than Guardian or Times readers, you know what kind of strategy you should be using as a politician. Why would you try to use deep and complex arguments when the vast majority of the electorate crave simplicity and stupid yes/no answers. To appeal and convince the Daily Mail readers, you need to keep things simple so why would you bother quoting and trusting intelligent experts?
Why would you try to be more elaborate and thorough in your argumentation when the majority of the population are happy with ‘strong and stable, get brexit done or for the many not the few’. Lying, cutting corners and shouting fake news every ten seconds has more of an impact than thorough reasoning..
People are thicker and thicker in our society so our politicians are more and more shallow so our country ( and many other western countries) are led by populists who cut corners and tell you any crap the thickos want to hear. Johnson and a Trump are the perfect examples.
It’s called the race to the bottom. You only need to look at the calibre of our current politicians who keep lying and can’t go beyond soundbites. We have the politicians we deserve. Let’s make sure people are better educated, that intelligence and knowledge are more respected and we will end up having better debates/ arguments. Bring back intelligence, knowledge, experts, philosophers, etc... and let’s educate the thickos. That’s the way to heal our society and our politics.
And to those who think that they are part of the thickest I’ve described or that this post is condescendand and arrogant I will gently tell you to get lost.
Education is more critical than ever.
Indeed and looks like I'm in need of some as do not know the word condescendand means. Can you help
Well done for finding a typo. There are probably a few more. Thank you for your enlightening contribution.,
Maybe more but found that error particularly amusing.
Glad to see that a D instead of a T can make your Monday evenings more cheerful. Every little helps some people would say.
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"When did facts and experts stop being listened to? When the thickos took charge and when ‘the end justifies the means’ started to be accepted in politics. Not quite sure when it started but we live in a society where intelligent people are less listened to and respected than they used to be. Some people who can’t spell ‘there/their or would have/would of or who are not very educated seem to think that they’re as competent or as credible as experts in their field. I wish these people were trying to sort out their own shortcomings before trying to sort out complex international affairs... I wouldn’t trust somebody who doesn’t know his times tables to build rocket to get to the moon. I don’t trust people who don’t know what a verb is to be able to have a genuine and credible opinion on complex matters. Some people think they’re entitled to have a view on anything these days even on things they haven’t got a clue about. When did peopl3 stop knowing their limits. I think I know mine and I accept them. Personally I do not give my views on things I haven’t got enough knowledge about. I’d rather read posts from people who know what they’re talking about. There are plenty of topics I don’t know much about and I’d rather learn about them than giving my views, Brexit is the perfect example. Because a lot of simple minded have read the same lies about the EU in our world beating rags for 30 years, they think they know it all about the EU. You ask them to tell you the difference between the European Commission and the European Parliament and they haven’t got a clue. Still they have an opinion on the EU. .
Also when you have 10 times more Daily Maily readers than Guardian or Times readers, you know what kind of strategy you should be using as a politician. Why would you try to use deep and complex arguments when the vast majority of the electorate crave simplicity and stupid yes/no answers. To appeal and convince the Daily Mail readers, you need to keep things simple so why would you bother quoting and trusting intelligent experts?
Why would you try to be more elaborate and thorough in your argumentation when the majority of the population are happy with ‘strong and stable, get brexit done or for the many not the few’. Lying, cutting corners and shouting fake news every ten seconds has more of an impact than thorough reasoning..
People are thicker and thicker in our society so our politicians are more and more shallow so our country ( and many other western countries) are led by populists who cut corners and tell you any crap the thickos want to hear. Johnson and a Trump are the perfect examples.
It’s called the race to the bottom. You only need to look at the calibre of our current politicians who keep lying and can’t go beyond soundbites. We have the politicians we deserve. Let’s make sure people are better educated, that intelligence and knowledge are more respected and we will end up having better debates/ arguments. Bring back intelligence, knowledge, experts, philosophers, etc... and let’s educate the thickos. That’s the way to heal our society and our politics.
And to those who think that they are part of the thickest I’ve described or that this post is condescendand and arrogant I will gently tell you to get lost.
Education is more critical than ever.
Indeed and looks like I'm in need of some as do not know the word condescendand means. Can you help
Well done for finding a typo. There are probably a few more. Thank you for your enlightening contribution.,
Maybe more but found that error particularly amusing.
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"When did facts and experts stop being listened to? When the thickos took charge and when ‘the end justifies the means’ started to be accepted in politics. Not quite sure when it started but we live in a society where intelligent people are less listened to and respected than they used to be. Some people who can’t spell ‘there/their or would have/would of or who are not very educated seem to think that they’re as competent or as credible as experts in their field. I wish these people were trying to sort out their own shortcomings before trying to sort out complex international affairs... I wouldn’t trust somebody who doesn’t know his times tables to build rocket to get to the moon. I don’t trust people who don’t know what a verb is to be able to have a genuine and credible opinion on complex matters. Some people think they’re entitled to have a view on anything these days even on things they haven’t got a clue about. When did peopl3 stop knowing their limits. I think I know mine and I accept them. Personally I do not give my views on things I haven’t got enough knowledge about. I’d rather read posts from people who know what they’re talking about. There are plenty of topics I don’t know much about and I’d rather learn about them than giving my views, Brexit is the perfect example. Because a lot of simple minded have read the same lies about the EU in our world beating rags for 30 years, they think they know it all about the EU. You ask them to tell you the difference between the European Commission and the European Parliament and they haven’t got a clue. Still they have an opinion on the EU. .
Also when you have 10 times more Daily Maily readers than Guardian or Times readers, you know what kind of strategy you should be using as a politician. Why would you try to use deep and complex arguments when the vast majority of the electorate crave simplicity and stupid yes/no answers. To appeal and convince the Daily Mail readers, you need to keep things simple so why would you bother quoting and trusting intelligent experts?
Why would you try to be more elaborate and thorough in your argumentation when the majority of the population are happy with ‘strong and stable, get brexit done or for the many not the few’. Lying, cutting corners and shouting fake news every ten seconds has more of an impact than thorough reasoning..
People are thicker and thicker in our society so our politicians are more and more shallow so our country ( and many other western countries) are led by populists who cut corners and tell you any crap the thickos want to hear. Johnson and a Trump are the perfect examples.
It’s called the race to the bottom. You only need to look at the calibre of our current politicians who keep lying and can’t go beyond soundbites. We have the politicians we deserve. Let’s make sure people are better educated, that intelligence and knowledge are more respected and we will end up having better debates/ arguments. Bring back intelligence, knowledge, experts, philosophers, etc... and let’s educate the thickos. That’s the way to heal our society and our politics.
And to those who think that they are part of the thickest I’ve described or that this post is condescendand and arrogant I will gently tell you to get lost.
Education is more critical than ever.
Indeed and looks like I'm in need of some as do not know the word condescendand means. Can you help
Well done for finding a typo. There are probably a few more. Thank you for your enlightening contribution.,
Maybe more but found that error particularly amusing.
Glad to see that a D instead of a T can make your Monday evenings more cheerful. Every little helps some people would say.
It’s a french typo, yes?
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"When did facts and experts stop being listened to? When the thickos took charge and when ‘the end justifies the means’ started to be accepted in politics. Not quite sure when it started but we live in a society where intelligent people are less listened to and respected than they used to be. Some people who can’t spell ‘there/their or would have/would of or who are not very educated seem to think that they’re as competent or as credible as experts in their field. I wish these people were trying to sort out their own shortcomings before trying to sort out complex international affairs... I wouldn’t trust somebody who doesn’t know his times tables to build rocket to get to the moon. I don’t trust people who don’t know what a verb is to be able to have a genuine and credible opinion on complex matters. Some people think they’re entitled to have a view on anything these days even on things they haven’t got a clue about. When did peopl3 stop knowing their limits. I think I know mine and I accept them. Personally I do not give my views on things I haven’t got enough knowledge about. I’d rather read posts from people who know what they’re talking about. There are plenty of topics I don’t know much about and I’d rather learn about them than giving my views, Brexit is the perfect example. Because a lot of simple minded have read the same lies about the EU in our world beating rags for 30 years, they think they know it all about the EU. You ask them to tell you the difference between the European Commission and the European Parliament and they haven’t got a clue. Still they have an opinion on the EU. .
Also when you have 10 times more Daily Maily readers than Guardian or Times readers, you know what kind of strategy you should be using as a politician. Why would you try to use deep and complex arguments when the vast majority of the electorate crave simplicity and stupid yes/no answers. To appeal and convince the Daily Mail readers, you need to keep things simple so why would you bother quoting and trusting intelligent experts?
Why would you try to be more elaborate and thorough in your argumentation when the majority of the population are happy with ‘strong and stable, get brexit done or for the many not the few’. Lying, cutting corners and shouting fake news every ten seconds has more of an impact than thorough reasoning..
People are thicker and thicker in our society so our politicians are more and more shallow so our country ( and many other western countries) are led by populists who cut corners and tell you any crap the thickos want to hear. Johnson and a Trump are the perfect examples.
It’s called the race to the bottom. You only need to look at the calibre of our current politicians who keep lying and can’t go beyond soundbites. We have the politicians we deserve. Let’s make sure people are better educated, that intelligence and knowledge are more respected and we will end up having better debates/ arguments. Bring back intelligence, knowledge, experts, philosophers, etc... and let’s educate the thickos. That’s the way to heal our society and our politics.
And to those who think that they are part of the thickest I’ve described or that this post is condescendand and arrogant I will gently tell you to get lost.
Education is more critical than ever.
Indeed and looks like I'm in need of some as do not know the word condescendand means. Can you help
Well done for finding a typo. There are probably a few more. Thank you for your enlightening contribution.,
Maybe more but found that error particularly amusing.
Glad to see that a D instead of a T can make your Monday evenings more cheerful. Every little helps some people would say.
It’s a french typo, yes?
Clearly your French is not any better that your English then.
Ok, trying not to look at the “that” instead of “than” mistake in your reply criticising my English ...is the french for condescending, “condescendant”?"It is. My phone likes changing some English words I type into French. A complete mess... | |||
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"When did facts and experts stop being listened to? When the thickos took charge and when ‘the end justifies the means’ started to be accepted in politics. Not quite sure when it started but we live in a society where intelligent people are less listened to and respected than they used to be. Some people who can’t spell ‘there/their or would have/would of or who are not very educated seem to think that they’re as competent or as credible as experts in their field. I wish these people were trying to sort out their own shortcomings before trying to sort out complex international affairs... I wouldn’t trust somebody who doesn’t know his times tables to build rocket to get to the moon. I don’t trust people who don’t know what a verb is to be able to have a genuine and credible opinion on complex matters. Some people think they’re entitled to have a view on anything these days even on things they haven’t got a clue about. When did peopl3 stop knowing their limits. I think I know mine and I accept them. Personally I do not give my views on things I haven’t got enough knowledge about. I’d rather read posts from people who know what they’re talking about. There are plenty of topics I don’t know much about and I’d rather learn about them than giving my views, Brexit is the perfect example. Because a lot of simple minded have read the same lies about the EU in our world beating rags for 30 years, they think they know it all about the EU. You ask them to tell you the difference between the European Commission and the European Parliament and they haven’t got a clue. Still they have an opinion on the EU. .
Also when you have 10 times more Daily Maily readers than Guardian or Times readers, you know what kind of strategy you should be using as a politician. Why would you try to use deep and complex arguments when the vast majority of the electorate crave simplicity and stupid yes/no answers. To appeal and convince the Daily Mail readers, you need to keep things simple so why would you bother quoting and trusting intelligent experts?
Why would you try to be more elaborate and thorough in your argumentation when the majority of the population are happy with ‘strong and stable, get brexit done or for the many not the few’. Lying, cutting corners and shouting fake news every ten seconds has more of an impact than thorough reasoning..
People are thicker and thicker in our society so our politicians are more and more shallow so our country ( and many other western countries) are led by populists who cut corners and tell you any crap the thickos want to hear. Johnson and a Trump are the perfect examples.
It’s called the race to the bottom. You only need to look at the calibre of our current politicians who keep lying and can’t go beyond soundbites. We have the politicians we deserve. Let’s make sure people are better educated, that intelligence and knowledge are more respected and we will end up having better debates/ arguments. Bring back intelligence, knowledge, experts, philosophers, etc... and let’s educate the thickos. That’s the way to heal our society and our politics.
And to those who think that they are part of the thickest I’ve described or that this post is condescendand and arrogant I will gently tell you to get lost.
Education is more critical than ever.
Indeed and looks like I'm in need of some as do not know the word condescendand means. Can you help
Well done for finding a typo. There are probably a few more. Thank you for your enlightening contribution.,
Maybe more but found that error particularly amusing.
Glad to see that a D instead of a T can make your Monday evenings more cheerful. Every little helps some people would say.
It’s a french typo, yes?
Clearly your French is not any better that your English then.
Ok, trying not to look at the “that” instead of “than” mistake in your reply criticising my English ...is the french for condescending, “condescendant”?
It is. My phone likes changing some English words I type into French. A complete mess... "So it was a french typo | |||
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"When did facts and experts stop being listened to? When the thickos took charge and when ‘the end justifies the means’ started to be accepted in politics. Not quite sure when it started but we live in a society where intelligent people are less listened to and respected than they used to be. Some people who can’t spell ‘there/their or would have/would of or who are not very educated seem to think that they’re as competent or as credible as experts in their field. I wish these people were trying to sort out their own shortcomings before trying to sort out complex international affairs... I wouldn’t trust somebody who doesn’t know his times tables to build rocket to get to the moon. I don’t trust people who don’t know what a verb is to be able to have a genuine and credible opinion on complex matters. Some people think they’re entitled to have a view on anything these days even on things they haven’t got a clue about. When did peopl3 stop knowing their limits. I think I know mine and I accept them. Personally I do not give my views on things I haven’t got enough knowledge about. I’d rather read posts from people who know what they’re talking about. There are plenty of topics I don’t know much about and I’d rather learn about them than giving my views, Brexit is the perfect example. Because a lot of simple minded have read the same lies about the EU in our world beating rags for 30 years, they think they know it all about the EU. You ask them to tell you the difference between the European Commission and the European Parliament and they haven’t got a clue. Still they have an opinion on the EU. .
Also when you have 10 times more Daily Maily readers than Guardian or Times readers, you know what kind of strategy you should be using as a politician. Why would you try to use deep and complex arguments when the vast majority of the electorate crave simplicity and stupid yes/no answers. To appeal and convince the Daily Mail readers, you need to keep things simple so why would you bother quoting and trusting intelligent experts?
Why would you try to be more elaborate and thorough in your argumentation when the majority of the population are happy with ‘strong and stable, get brexit done or for the many not the few’. Lying, cutting corners and shouting fake news every ten seconds has more of an impact than thorough reasoning..
People are thicker and thicker in our society so our politicians are more and more shallow so our country ( and many other western countries) are led by populists who cut corners and tell you any crap the thickos want to hear. Johnson and a Trump are the perfect examples.
It’s called the race to the bottom. You only need to look at the calibre of our current politicians who keep lying and can’t go beyond soundbites. We have the politicians we deserve. Let’s make sure people are better educated, that intelligence and knowledge are more respected and we will end up having better debates/ arguments. Bring back intelligence, knowledge, experts, philosophers, etc... and let’s educate the thickos. That’s the way to heal our society and our politics.
And to those who think that they are part of the thickest I’ve described or that this post is condescendand and arrogant I will gently tell you to get lost.
Education is more critical than ever.
Indeed and looks like I'm in need of some as do not know the word condescendand means. Can you help
Well done for finding a typo. There are probably a few more. Thank you for your enlightening contribution.,
Maybe more but found that error particularly amusing.
Glad to see that a D instead of a T can make your Monday evenings more cheerful. Every little helps some people would say.
It’s a french typo, yes?
Clearly your French is not any better that your English then.
Ok, trying not to look at the “that” instead of “than” mistake in your reply criticising my English ...is the french for condescending, “condescendant”?
It is. My phone likes changing some English words I type into French. A complete mess...
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"When did facts and experts stop being listened to? When the thickos took charge and when ‘the end justifies the means’ started to be accepted in politics. Not quite sure when it started but we live in a society where intelligent people are less listened to and respected than they used to be. Some people who can’t spell ‘there/their or would have/would of or who are not very educated seem to think that they’re as competent or as credible as experts in their field. I wish these people were trying to sort out their own shortcomings before trying to sort out complex international affairs... I wouldn’t trust somebody who doesn’t know his times tables to build rocket to get to the moon. I don’t trust people who don’t know what a verb is to be able to have a genuine and credible opinion on complex matters. Some people think they’re entitled to have a view on anything these days even on things they haven’t got a clue about. When did peopl3 stop knowing their limits. I think I know mine and I accept them. Personally I do not give my views on things I haven’t got enough knowledge about. I’d rather read posts from people who know what they’re talking about. There are plenty of topics I don’t know much about and I’d rather learn about them than giving my views, Brexit is the perfect example. Because a lot of simple minded have read the same lies about the EU in our world beating rags for 30 years, they think they know it all about the EU. You ask them to tell you the difference between the European Commission and the European Parliament and they haven’t got a clue. Still they have an opinion on the EU. .
Also when you have 10 times more Daily Maily readers than Guardian or Times readers, you know what kind of strategy you should be using as a politician. Why would you try to use deep and complex arguments when the vast majority of the electorate crave simplicity and stupid yes/no answers. To appeal and convince the Daily Mail readers, you need to keep things simple so why would you bother quoting and trusting intelligent experts?
Why would you try to be more elaborate and thorough in your argumentation when the majority of the population are happy with ‘strong and stable, get brexit done or for the many not the few’. Lying, cutting corners and shouting fake news every ten seconds has more of an impact than thorough reasoning..
People are thicker and thicker in our society so our politicians are more and more shallow so our country ( and many other western countries) are led by populists who cut corners and tell you any crap the thickos want to hear. Johnson and a Trump are the perfect examples.
It’s called the race to the bottom. You only need to look at the calibre of our current politicians who keep lying and can’t go beyond soundbites. We have the politicians we deserve. Let’s make sure people are better educated, that intelligence and knowledge are more respected and we will end up having better debates/ arguments. Bring back intelligence, knowledge, experts, philosophers, etc... and let’s educate the thickos. That’s the way to heal our society and our politics.
And to those who think that they are part of the thickest I’ve described or that this post is condescendand and arrogant I will gently tell you to get lost.
Education is more critical than ever.
Indeed and looks like I'm in need of some as do not know the word condescendand means. Can you help
Well done for finding a typo. There are probably a few more. Thank you for your enlightening contribution.,
Maybe more but found that error particularly amusing.
Glad to see that a D instead of a T can make your Monday evenings more cheerful. Every little helps some people would say.
It’s a french typo, yes?
Clearly your French is not any better that your English then.
Ok, trying not to look at the “that” instead of “than” mistake in your reply criticising my English ...is the french for condescending, “condescendant”?
It is. My phone likes changing some English words I type into French. A complete mess...
So it was a french typo
Or a predictive text issue..."The french predictive text made the typo? | |||
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"When did facts and experts stop being listened to? When the thickos took charge and when ‘the end justifies the means’ started to be accepted in politics. Not quite sure when it started but we live in a society where intelligent people are less listened to and respected than they used to be. Some people who can’t spell ‘there/their or would have/would of or who are not very educated seem to think that they’re as competent or as credible as experts in their field. I wish these people were trying to sort out their own shortcomings before trying to sort out complex international affairs... I wouldn’t trust somebody who doesn’t know his times tables to build rocket to get to the moon. I don’t trust people who don’t know what a verb is to be able to have a genuine and credible opinion on complex matters. Some people think they’re entitled to have a view on anything these days even on things they haven’t got a clue about. When did peopl3 stop knowing their limits. I think I know mine and I accept them. Personally I do not give my views on things I haven’t got enough knowledge about. I’d rather read posts from people who know what they’re talking about. There are plenty of topics I don’t know much about and I’d rather learn about them than giving my views, Brexit is the perfect example. Because a lot of simple minded have read the same lies about the EU in our world beating rags for 30 years, they think they know it all about the EU. You ask them to tell you the difference between the European Commission and the European Parliament and they haven’t got a clue. Still they have an opinion on the EU. .
Also when you have 10 times more Daily Maily readers than Guardian or Times readers, you know what kind of strategy you should be using as a politician. Why would you try to use deep and complex arguments when the vast majority of the electorate crave simplicity and stupid yes/no answers. To appeal and convince the Daily Mail readers, you need to keep things simple so why would you bother quoting and trusting intelligent experts?
Why would you try to be more elaborate and thorough in your argumentation when the majority of the population are happy with ‘strong and stable, get brexit done or for the many not the few’. Lying, cutting corners and shouting fake news every ten seconds has more of an impact than thorough reasoning..
People are thicker and thicker in our society so our politicians are more and more shallow so our country ( and many other western countries) are led by populists who cut corners and tell you any crap the thickos want to hear. Johnson and a Trump are the perfect examples.
It’s called the race to the bottom. You only need to look at the calibre of our current politicians who keep lying and can’t go beyond soundbites. We have the politicians we deserve. Let’s make sure people are better educated, that intelligence and knowledge are more respected and we will end up having better debates/ arguments. Bring back intelligence, knowledge, experts, philosophers, etc... and let’s educate the thickos. That’s the way to heal our society and our politics.
And to those who think that they are part of the thickest I’ve described or that this post is condescendand and arrogant I will gently tell you to get lost.
Education is more critical than ever.
Indeed and looks like I'm in need of some as do not know the word condescendand means. Can you help
Well done for finding a typo. There are probably a few more. Thank you for your enlightening contribution.,
Maybe more but found that error particularly amusing.
Glad to see that a D instead of a T can make your Monday evenings more cheerful. Every little helps some people would say.
It’s a french typo, yes?
Clearly your French is not any better that your English then.
Ok, trying not to look at the “that” instead of “than” mistake in your reply criticising my English ...is the french for condescending, “condescendant”?
It is. My phone likes changing some English words I type into French. A complete mess...
So it was a french typo
Or a predictive text issue...
The french predictive text made the typo?"Yes. | |||
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"When did facts and experts stop being listened to? When the thickos took charge and when ‘the end justifies the means’ started to be accepted in politics. Not quite sure when it started but we live in a society where intelligent people are less listened to and respected than they used to be. Some people who can’t spell ‘there/their or would have/would of or who are not very educated seem to think that they’re as competent or as credible as experts in their field. I wish these people were trying to sort out their own shortcomings before trying to sort out complex international affairs... I wouldn’t trust somebody who doesn’t know his times tables to build rocket to get to the moon. I don’t trust people who don’t know what a verb is to be able to have a genuine and credible opinion on complex matters. Some people think they’re entitled to have a view on anything these days even on things they haven’t got a clue about. When did peopl3 stop knowing their limits. I think I know mine and I accept them. Personally I do not give my views on things I haven’t got enough knowledge about. I’d rather read posts from people who know what they’re talking about. There are plenty of topics I don’t know much about and I’d rather learn about them than giving my views, Brexit is the perfect example. Because a lot of simple minded have read the same lies about the EU in our world beating rags for 30 years, they think they know it all about the EU. You ask them to tell you the difference between the European Commission and the European Parliament and they haven’t got a clue. Still they have an opinion on the EU. .
Also when you have 10 times more Daily Maily readers than Guardian or Times readers, you know what kind of strategy you should be using as a politician. Why would you try to use deep and complex arguments when the vast majority of the electorate crave simplicity and stupid yes/no answers. To appeal and convince the Daily Mail readers, you need to keep things simple so why would you bother quoting and trusting intelligent experts?
Why would you try to be more elaborate and thorough in your argumentation when the majority of the population are happy with ‘strong and stable, get brexit done or for the many not the few’. Lying, cutting corners and shouting fake news every ten seconds has more of an impact than thorough reasoning..
People are thicker and thicker in our society so our politicians are more and more shallow so our country ( and many other western countries) are led by populists who cut corners and tell you any crap the thickos want to hear. Johnson and a Trump are the perfect examples.
It’s called the race to the bottom. You only need to look at the calibre of our current politicians who keep lying and can’t go beyond soundbites. We have the politicians we deserve. Let’s make sure people are better educated, that intelligence and knowledge are more respected and we will end up having better debates/ arguments. Bring back intelligence, knowledge, experts, philosophers, etc... and let’s educate the thickos. That’s the way to heal our society and our politics.
And to those who think that they are part of the thickest I’ve described or that this post is condescendand and arrogant I will gently tell you to get lost.
Education is more critical than ever.
Indeed and looks like I'm in need of some as do not know the word condescendand means. Can you help
Well done for finding a typo. There are probably a few more. Thank you for your enlightening contribution.,
Maybe more but found that error particularly amusing.
Glad to see that a D instead of a T can make your Monday evenings more cheerful. Every little helps some people would say.
It’s a french typo, yes?
Clearly your French is not any better that your English then.
Ok, trying not to look at the “that” instead of “than” mistake in your reply criticising my English ...is the french for condescending, “condescendant”?
It is. My phone likes changing some English words I type into French. A complete mess...
So it was a french typo
Or a predictive text issue...
The french predictive text made the typo?
Yes. "Really? You might want to check why the french predictive text didn’t complete to condescendant, but instead produced the incorrect word condescendand. If I start to type “condesc” my English predictive text completes to “condescending”. I would be most concerned if it completed to “condescendiny”  | |||
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"blair sent thousands to their deaths on a phoney and dr david kelly killed himself over it. and even more iragi citizens did for that bullshit lie bush and blair forced on them. trump hasnt even come close to an all out war with another country based on a lie like our leader did. same with the people marching and looting on the blm ticket. those shot have had long criminal records of violence against other black people. jacob blake was charged with 3rd degree sexual assault against a young underage girl and trespass. but no, people dont want to hear that because they are defending these criminals. i bet not one of them can name the over 30 kids killing in chicago last year alone. the same people who are looting, shouting blm and acting criminally are completely M.I.A when it comes to supporting and helping black families be a secure unit for the kids to grow up in and get a good education with boys having a father figure. stopping gang violence and helping to get drugs off the street. they are not interested in that. people need to seriously look at what is going on instead of blaming trump because its fashionable. we were criminals in this country long before trump. " Don't think I said the likes of Johnson, Trump, Cummings, Gove, Murdoch etc invented lies or law breaking. They're just the most recent glaring examples. Yes, Blair lied and broke the law too. Does that make it alright that the current bunch lie and break the law with impunity? Don't we all deserve better from our leaders? | |||
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"blair sent thousands to their deaths on a phoney and dr david kelly killed himself over it. and even more iragi citizens did for that bullshit lie bush and blair forced on them. trump hasnt even come close to an all out war with another country based on a lie like our leader did. same with the people marching and looting on the blm ticket. those shot have had long criminal records of violence against other black people. jacob blake was charged with 3rd degree sexual assault against a young underage girl and trespass. but no, people dont want to hear that because they are defending these criminals. i bet not one of them can name the over 30 kids killing in chicago last year alone. the same people who are looting, shouting blm and acting criminally are completely M.I.A when it comes to supporting and helping black families be a secure unit for the kids to grow up in and get a good education with boys having a father figure. stopping gang violence and helping to get drugs off the street. they are not interested in that. people need to seriously look at what is going on instead of blaming trump because its fashionable. we were criminals in this country long before trump. Don't think I said the likes of Johnson, Trump, Cummings, Gove, Murdoch etc invented lies or law breaking. They're just the most recent glaring examples. Yes, Blair lied and broke the law too. Does that make it alright that the current bunch lie and break the law with impunity? Don't we all deserve better from our leaders?" There is a video clip of Trump telling people his father was born in Germany. His father was born in the Bronx. Why does he lie when he doesn't need to? Does he not think anyone will pick up on his lies. Has this guy got some kind of pathological disorder. Why on earth would any sane person vote for him? Ever seen the movie You've been Trumped? Probably not. Because Trump has threatened to sue anyone who screens it. Just like he's threatened to expose his school records. He is the first American president to refuse to hand over his tax records. Something to hide??? | |||
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"blair sent thousands to their deaths on a phoney and dr david kelly killed himself over it. and even more iragi citizens did for that bullshit lie bush and blair forced on them. trump hasnt even come close to an all out war with another country based on a lie like our leader did. same with the people marching and looting on the blm ticket. those shot have had long criminal records of violence against other black people. jacob blake was charged with 3rd degree sexual assault against a young underage girl and trespass. but no, people dont want to hear that because they are defending these criminals. i bet not one of them can name the over 30 kids killing in chicago last year alone. the same people who are looting, shouting blm and acting criminally are completely M.I.A when it comes to supporting and helping black families be a secure unit for the kids to grow up in and get a good education with boys having a father figure. stopping gang violence and helping to get drugs off the street. they are not interested in that. people need to seriously look at what is going on instead of blaming trump because its fashionable. we were criminals in this country long before trump. Don't think I said the likes of Johnson, Trump, Cummings, Gove, Murdoch etc invented lies or law breaking. They're just the most recent glaring examples. Yes, Blair lied and broke the law too. Does that make it alright that the current bunch lie and break the law with impunity? Don't we all deserve better from our leaders? There is a video clip of Trump telling people his father was born in Germany. His father was born in the Bronx. Why does he lie when he doesn't need to? Does he not think anyone will pick up on his lies. Has this guy got some kind of pathological disorder. Why on earth would any sane person vote for him? Ever seen the movie You've been Trumped? Probably not. Because Trump has threatened to sue anyone who screens it. Just like he's threatened to expose his school records. He is the first American president to refuse to hand over his tax records. Something to hide???" I think Trump actually is a pathological liar. You can see it in the way he speaks compared to other politicians. Other politicians hedge, afraid of being caught out. Trump happily states lies, even when he doesn't need to. | |||
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"I don't know when ... but having just watched Exctintion: The Facts; they now have a whole load of new ones to ignore. If they do, humanity will be either over and done with, or greatly reduced in number, soon enough. Frankly, the Earth could do with the rest." I haven't watched that yet. Is it really depressing?  | |||
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"I don't know when ... but having just watched Exctintion: The Facts; they now have a whole load of new ones to ignore. If they do, humanity will be either over and done with, or greatly reduced in number, soon enough. Frankly, the Earth could do with the rest. I haven't watched that yet. Is it really depressing? "What's most depressing about it is the unwillingness of those in power to do anything about it - and, where democracy is a thing, our habit of electing them; particularly the useless cunts we've been lumbered with lately. | |||
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"It's worsened in recent years and especially much worse since Trump and Johnson who both hold contempt for the truth and see themselves as above the norms of honesty and decency" Agree. It's almost a new era where politicians say something one minute and simply deny it the next. The media and the public turn a blind eye. | |||
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"It's worsened in recent years and especially much worse since Trump and Johnson who both hold contempt for the truth and see themselves as above the norms of honesty and decency Agree. It's almost a new era where politicians say something one minute and simply deny it the next. The media and the public turn a blind eye." The beginnings of 1984 ministry of truth | |||
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