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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

A direct quote from Johnson's twitter:

"A free press is vital in holding the government and other powerful institutions to account on issues critical for the future of our country, including the fight against climate change."

And yet, here are a few facts that are easy to look up ...

He dodged being interviewed by Andrew Neil during his election campaign.

He hid in a fridge to avoid answering GMB.

He conspired to have a journalist beaten up.

Journalists walked out of a briefing on Johnson’s Brexit plans after his director of communications tried restricting it to selected publications and broadcasters.

The UK government has been formally warned for threatening press freedom after it blacklisted a group of investigative journalists and denied them access to information.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"A direct quote from Johnson's twitter:

"A free press is vital in holding the government and other powerful institutions to account on issues critical for the future of our country, including the fight against climate change."

And yet, here are a few facts that are easy to look up ...

He dodged being interviewed by Andrew Neil during his election campaign.

He hid in a fridge to avoid answering GMB.

He conspired to have a journalist beaten up.

Journalists walked out of a briefing on Johnson’s Brexit plans after his director of communications tried restricting it to selected publications and broadcasters.

The UK government has been formally warned for threatening press freedom after it blacklisted a group of investigative journalists and denied them access to information. "

I'm sure he will be pulled up on this oversight any day now .

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

How many shows/broadcasters did Johnson et al boycott too?

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby


"How many shows/broadcasters did Johnson et al boycott too?"

He hid in a fridge

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Is there a body to actually bring him to order or is it just strong words and then move on? Surely we must have some control in a democracy ?

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

Having a free press doesn't automatically mean anyone is obliged to answer questions or give interviews.

It means it's free to ask, to comment, to report, without sanction or censure.

I think people often see a free press as some sort of legal obligation to reply.

It's not.

Bit like Fab. People have the freedom to message us, we have no requirement to answer.

E

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here


"Having a free press doesn't automatically mean anyone is obliged to answer questions or give interviews.

It means it's free to ask, to comment, to report, without sanction or censure.

I think people often see a free press as some sort of legal obligation to reply.

It's not.

Bit like Fab. People have the freedom to message us, we have no requirement to answer.

E"

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"Having a free press doesn't automatically mean anyone is obliged to answer questions or give interviews.

It means it's free to ask, to comment, to report, without sanction or censure.

I think people often see a free press as some sort of legal obligation to reply.

It's not.

Bit like Fab. People have the freedom to message us, we have no requirement to answer.

E

"

Fuck me, you're equating the role, function and purpose of the press in a democracy to expecting a response on a swingers forum. That is bizarre beyond description and shows a piss poor understanding of how a democracy works.

The only point I will agree with is that it's not a legal obligation to talk to the press, its a choice. Declining that choice speaks volumes in itself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Having a free press doesn't automatically mean anyone is obliged to answer questions or give interviews.

It means it's free to ask, to comment, to report, without sanction or censure.

I think people often see a free press as some sort of legal obligation to reply.

It's not.

Bit like Fab. People have the freedom to message us, we have no requirement to answer.

E"

When the press ask Government ministers questions then that is on the behalf of the general public.

The voting public put these individuals in their jobs, jobs they wanted so yes I do believe Government ministers to a large extent do have an obligation to answer most questions put too them.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Having a free press doesn't automatically mean anyone is obliged to answer questions or give interviews.

It means it's free to ask, to comment, to report, without sanction or censure.

I think people often see a free press as some sort of legal obligation to reply.

It's not.

Bit like Fab. People have the freedom to message us, we have no requirement to answer.

E"

How does gagging journalists tie in with this?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Without getting too conspiratorial, in terms of the judiciary,the media,in the post Brexit era of peoples rights, you have got to wonder where we are heading.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South


"Having a free press doesn't automatically mean anyone is obliged to answer questions or give interviews.

It means it's free to ask, to comment, to report, without sanction or censure.

I think people often see a free press as some sort of legal obligation to reply.

It's not.

Bit like Fab. People have the freedom to message us, we have no requirement to answer.

E

How does gagging journalists tie in with this?"

It doesn't.

However, there are certain circumstances a gagging order is in the greater interest.

Gagging to hide the fact you're shagging rent boys or trying to get out of a speeding ticket, not acceptable.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South


"Having a free press doesn't automatically mean anyone is obliged to answer questions or give interviews.

It means it's free to ask, to comment, to report, without sanction or censure.

I think people often see a free press as some sort of legal obligation to reply.

It's not.

Bit like Fab. People have the freedom to message us, we have no requirement to answer.

E

Fuck me, you're equating the role, function and purpose of the press in a democracy to expecting a response on a swingers forum. That is bizarre beyond description and shows a piss poor understanding of how a democracy works.

The only point I will agree with is that it's not a legal obligation to talk to the press, its a choice. Declining that choice speaks volumes in itself."

It was an effort to show simplistic comparison.

Too simple for you by the looks.

E

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Having a free press doesn't automatically mean anyone is obliged to answer questions or give interviews.

It means it's free to ask, to comment, to report, without sanction or censure.

I think people often see a free press as some sort of legal obligation to reply.

It's not.

Bit like Fab. People have the freedom to message us, we have no requirement to answer.

E

How does gagging journalists tie in with this?

It doesn't.

However, there are certain circumstances a gagging order is in the greater interest.

Gagging to hide the fact you're shagging rent boys or trying to get out of a speeding ticket, not acceptable. "

When is it acceptable?

And I'm not talking bout gagging orders.

I mean when they try to ban journalists who are seen as 'too critical'.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South


"Having a free press doesn't automatically mean anyone is obliged to answer questions or give interviews.

It means it's free to ask, to comment, to report, without sanction or censure.

I think people often see a free press as some sort of legal obligation to reply.

It's not.

Bit like Fab. People have the freedom to message us, we have no requirement to answer.

E

How does gagging journalists tie in with this?

It doesn't.

However, there are certain circumstances a gagging order is in the greater interest.

Gagging to hide the fact you're shagging rent boys or trying to get out of a speeding ticket, not acceptable.

When is it acceptable?

And I'm not talking bout gagging orders.

I mean when they try to ban journalists who are seen as 'too critical'."

In an ideal world I'd say it's never acceptable.

But we've all seen journalists chipping away at the slightest, smallest thing, over and over again, trying to score political points.

The Covid briefings are a great example, asking exactly the same question over and over, when it's been answered perfectly reasonably.

Those who are there to ask genuine questions, no matter how searching should be welcomed. Those who's aim it is to cause mischief, less welcome.

Part of the problem, IMHO, is that most of today's journalists aren't really up to snuff.

E

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South


"Having a free press doesn't automatically mean anyone is obliged to answer questions or give interviews.

It means it's free to ask, to comment, to report, without sanction or censure.

I think people often see a free press as some sort of legal obligation to reply.

It's not.

Bit like Fab. People have the freedom to message us, we have no requirement to answer.

E

How does gagging journalists tie in with this?

It doesn't.

However, there are certain circumstances a gagging order is in the greater interest.

Gagging to hide the fact you're shagging rent boys or trying to get out of a speeding ticket, not acceptable.

When is it acceptable?

And I'm not talking bout gagging orders.

I mean when they try to ban journalists who are seen as 'too critical'.

In an ideal world I'd say it's never acceptable.

But we've all seen journalists chipping away at the slightest, smallest thing, over and over again, trying to score political points.

The Covid briefings are a great example, asking exactly the same question over and over, when it's been answered perfectly reasonably.

Those who are there to ask genuine questions, no matter how searching should be welcomed. Those who's aim it is to cause mischief, less welcome.

Part of the problem, IMHO, is that most of today's journalists aren't really up to snuff.

E "

Not forgetting, a journalists role isn't to criticize, it's to investigate.

So yes, if all they're doing is stirring the pot for their own agenda, why make them welcome?

E

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Having a free press doesn't automatically mean anyone is obliged to answer questions or give interviews.

It means it's free to ask, to comment, to report, without sanction or censure.

I think people often see a free press as some sort of legal obligation to reply.

It's not.

Bit like Fab. People have the freedom to message us, we have no requirement to answer.

E

How does gagging journalists tie in with this?

It doesn't.

However, there are certain circumstances a gagging order is in the greater interest.

Gagging to hide the fact you're shagging rent boys or trying to get out of a speeding ticket, not acceptable.

When is it acceptable?

And I'm not talking bout gagging orders.

I mean when they try to ban journalists who are seen as 'too critical'.

In an ideal world I'd say it's never acceptable.

But we've all seen journalists chipping away at the slightest, smallest thing, over and over again, trying to score political points.

The Covid briefings are a great example, asking exactly the same question over and over, when it's been answered perfectly reasonably.

Those who are there to ask genuine questions, no matter how searching should be welcomed. Those who's aim it is to cause mischief, less welcome.

Part of the problem, IMHO, is that most of today's journalists aren't really up to snuff.

E

Not forgetting, a journalists role isn't to criticize, it's to investigate.

So yes, if all they're doing is stirring the pot for their own agenda, why make them welcome?

E"

I agree it's to investigate but also to scrutinise.

Which is quite hard when you have a prime minister who wont answer a simple question.

When you have a gmnt which starts to ban journalists from asking awkward questions, you are going down a very dangerous path.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"Having a free press doesn't automatically mean anyone is obliged to answer questions or give interviews.

It means it's free to ask, to comment, to report, without sanction or censure.

I think people often see a free press as some sort of legal obligation to reply.

It's not.

Bit like Fab. People have the freedom to message us, we have no requirement to answer.

E

Fuck me, you're equating the role, function and purpose of the press in a democracy to expecting a response on a swingers forum. That is bizarre beyond description and shows a piss poor understanding of how a democracy works.

The only point I will agree with is that it's not a legal obligation to talk to the press, its a choice. Declining that choice speaks volumes in itself.

It was an effort to show simplistic comparison.

Too simple for you by the looks.

E"

Dial back with the ad hominems, please and thanks. It doesn't help your argument. If simplistic is a synonym for absurd, I would agree with you, but its not.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Bet Andrew Neil just smiled knowingly when he heard what Boris said..

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"A direct quote from Johnson's twitter:

"A free press is vital in holding the government and other powerful institutions to account on issues critical for the future of our country, including the fight against climate change."

And yet, here are a few facts that are easy to look up ...

He dodged being interviewed by Andrew Neil during his election campaign.

He hid in a fridge to avoid answering GMB.

He conspired to have a journalist beaten up.

Journalists walked out of a briefing on Johnson’s Brexit plans after his director of communications tried restricting it to selected publications and broadcasters.

The UK government has been formally warned for threatening press freedom after it blacklisted a group of investigative journalists and denied them access to information. "

Lack of understanding here.

He has never censored the free press Just critisised them and ignored them so no double standards you are twisting things to your own agenda

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

People defending the gmnt for banning journalists from asking questions.

Why does that not surprise me 1 bit?

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South


"Having a free press doesn't automatically mean anyone is obliged to answer questions or give interviews.

It means it's free to ask, to comment, to report, without sanction or censure.

I think people often see a free press as some sort of legal obligation to reply.

It's not.

Bit like Fab. People have the freedom to message us, we have no requirement to answer.

E

Fuck me, you're equating the role, function and purpose of the press in a democracy to expecting a response on a swingers forum. That is bizarre beyond description and shows a piss poor understanding of how a democracy works.

The only point I will agree with is that it's not a legal obligation to talk to the press, its a choice. Declining that choice speaks volumes in itself.

It was an effort to show simplistic comparison.

Too simple for you by the looks.

E

Dial back with the ad hominems, please and thanks. It doesn't help your argument. If simplistic is a synonym for absurd, I would agree with you, but its not. "

I've not argued about anything, why you're trying to make it look like I am is beyond me.

While you're on the subject of dialling back, you can do so with the insults.

E

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"Having a free press doesn't automatically mean anyone is obliged to answer questions or give interviews.

It means it's free to ask, to comment, to report, without sanction or censure.

I think people often see a free press as some sort of legal obligation to reply.

It's not.

Bit like Fab. People have the freedom to message us, we have no requirement to answer.

E

Fuck me, you're equating the role, function and purpose of the press in a democracy to expecting a response on a swingers forum. That is bizarre beyond description and shows a piss poor understanding of how a democracy works.

The only point I will agree with is that it's not a legal obligation to talk to the press, its a choice. Declining that choice speaks volumes in itself.

It was an effort to show simplistic comparison.

Too simple for you by the looks.

E

Dial back with the ad hominems, please and thanks. It doesn't help your argument. If simplistic is a synonym for absurd, I would agree with you, but its not.

I've not argued about anything, why you're trying to make it look like I am is beyond me.

While you're on the subject of dialling back, you can do so with the insults.

E"

Argument: a reason or set of reasons given in support of an idea, action or theory. English is your first language?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"A direct quote from Johnson's twitter:

"A free press is vital in holding the government and other powerful institutions to account on issues critical for the future of our country, including the fight against climate change."

And yet, here are a few facts that are easy to look up ...

He dodged being interviewed by Andrew Neil during his election campaign.

He hid in a fridge to avoid answering GMB.

He conspired to have a journalist beaten up.

Journalists walked out of a briefing on Johnson’s Brexit plans after his director of communications tried restricting it to selected publications and broadcasters.

The UK government has been formally warned for threatening press freedom after it blacklisted a group of investigative journalists and denied them access to information. Lack of understanding here.

He has never censored the free press Just critisised them and ignored them so no double standards you are twisting things to your own agenda"

All the things I listed are verifiable facts.

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

Just catching up with this morning's MARR program. Apparently the leader of XR has admitted they have made a mistake as the presses shut down also print other papers to. Also that XR has been infiltrated by hard left groups

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Just catching up with this morning's MARR program. Apparently the leader of XR has admitted they have made a mistake as the presses shut down also print other papers to. Also that XR has been infiltrated by hard left groups"

Shutting the sun down?

Should give them a medal.

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes


"Just catching up with this morning's MARR program. Apparently the leader of XR has admitted they have made a mistake as the presses shut down also print other papers to. Also that XR has been infiltrated by hard left groups

Shutting the sun down?

Should give them a medal."

According to the leader if XR they inadvertently shut down other papers too that are or at least were more supportive of them.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

This gvt, defending the free press, my ass...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/press-freedom-uk-government-council-europe-alert-boris-johnson-priti-patel-a9706741.html%3famp

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Just catching up with this morning's MARR program. Apparently the leader of XR has admitted they have made a mistake as the presses shut down also print other papers to. Also that XR has been infiltrated by hard left groups

Shutting the sun down?

Should give them a medal.

According to the leader if XR they inadvertently shut down other papers too that are or at least were more supportive of them. "

I wouldn't hold that against them.

I read somewhere the sun wasn't even making a profit now.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

And of course you only need to tune in to Channel 4 news or Newsnight everyday to hear the usual ‘we asked the government to join us tonight but nobody was available.

They like the free press providing it’s the right wing rags. When it comes to other media, their principles don’t seem to hold up.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"

Not forgetting, a journalists role isn't to criticize, it's to investigate.

"

Completely untrue.

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes


"Just catching up with this morning's MARR program. Apparently the leader of XR has admitted they have made a mistake as the presses shut down also print other papers to. Also that XR has been infiltrated by hard left groups

Shutting the sun down?

Should give them a medal.

According to the leader if XR they inadvertently shut down other papers too that are or at least were more supportive of them.

I wouldn't hold that against them.

I read somewhere the sun wasn't even making a profit now."

You may not care but those that work at the other papers may care. As said the leader admitted they made a mistake and have been infiltrated by the hard left

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Just catching up with this morning's MARR program. Apparently the leader of XR has admitted they have made a mistake as the presses shut down also print other papers to. Also that XR has been infiltrated by hard left groups

Shutting the sun down?

Should give them a medal.

According to the leader if XR they inadvertently shut down other papers too that are or at least were more supportive of them.

I wouldn't hold that against them.

I read somewhere the sun wasn't even making a profit now.

You may not care but those that work at the other papers may care. As said the leader admitted they made a mistake and have been infiltrated by the hard left"

Just giving my opinion.

I'm fairly sure xr were quote left wing to start off with so blaming a few left wing radicals smells a bit fishy.

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes


"Just catching up with this morning's MARR program. Apparently the leader of XR has admitted they have made a mistake as the presses shut down also print other papers to. Also that XR has been infiltrated by hard left groups

Shutting the sun down?

Should give them a medal.

According to the leader if XR they inadvertently shut down other papers too that are or at least were more supportive of them.

I wouldn't hold that against them.

I read somewhere the sun wasn't even making a profit now.

You may not care but those that work at the other papers may care. As said the leader admitted they made a mistake and have been infiltrated by the hard left

Just giving my opinion.

I'm fairly sure xr were quote left wing to start off with so blaming a few left wing radicals smells a bit fishy."

Yes expect they are left wing but now been infiltrated by hard left people. It was not me blaming them it was the leader of XR

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South


"Having a free press doesn't automatically mean anyone is obliged to answer questions or give interviews.

It means it's free to ask, to comment, to report, without sanction or censure.

I think people often see a free press as some sort of legal obligation to reply.

It's not.

Bit like Fab. People have the freedom to message us, we have no requirement to answer.

E

Fuck me, you're equating the role, function and purpose of the press in a democracy to expecting a response on a swingers forum. That is bizarre beyond description and shows a piss poor understanding of how a democracy works.

The only point I will agree with is that it's not a legal obligation to talk to the press, its a choice. Declining that choice speaks volumes in itself.

It was an effort to show simplistic comparison.

Too simple for you by the looks.

E

Dial back with the ad hominems, please and thanks. It doesn't help your argument. If simplistic is a synonym for absurd, I would agree with you, but its not.

I've not argued about anything, why you're trying to make it look like I am is beyond me.

While you're on the subject of dialling back, you can do so with the insults.

E

Argument: a reason or set of reasons given in support of an idea, action or theory. English is your first language?"

Yes it is.

Nice to see you're dialling back with the insults.

E

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr


"And of course you only need to tune in to Channel 4 news or Newsnight everyday to hear the usual ‘we asked the government to join us tonight but nobody was available.

They like the free press providing it’s the right wing rags. When it comes to other media, their principles don’t seem to hold up."

This, really. They weren't doing the Today programme on R4, pre-Covid, either.

Bottom line, the government isn't curtailing the press; they just don't want to be held to scrutiny by the parts of it that don't automatically support them.

In that way, they're like any other government.

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