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"If there is no deal they’ll tell us it’s the EU’s fault. Like the exams results mess is Ofqual’s fault, the care home deaths are the carers’ fault, the dinghies across the channel are France’s fault, the schools not reopening in June is the unions’ fault, the highest death rate in Europe for Covid is PUblic Health England’s fault, etc... And in four years’ time the simple minded will still vote for the same clowns. "  | |||
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"If there is no deal they’ll tell us it’s the EU’s fault. Like the exams results mess is Ofqual’s fault, the care home deaths are the carers’ fault, the dinghies across the channel are France’s fault, the schools not reopening in June is the unions’ fault, the highest death rate in Europe for Covid is PUblic Health England’s fault, etc... And in four years’ time the simple minded will still vote for the same clowns. "Hits the nail on the head. | |||
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"If there is no deal they’ll tell us it’s the EU’s fault. Like the exams results mess is Ofqual’s fault, the care home deaths are the carers’ fault, the dinghies across the channel are France’s fault, the schools not reopening in June is the unions’ fault, the highest death rate in Europe for Covid is PUblic Health England’s fault, etc... And in four years’ time the simple minded will still vote for the same clowns. " Yeah you are right they certainly like blaming everyone else but there selfs. A bunch of clowns. | |||
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"It's funny how the brexiters said a deal with the EU will be so easy. Who are they fooling. " The answer's very simple. They're fooling themselves. | |||
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"It's funny how the brexiters said a deal with the EU will be so easy. Who are they fooling. The answer's very simple. They're fooling themselves." Nothing could be easier than leaving without a deal. It wasn't what we voted for the first time but it's what we voted for when we (supposedly) voted in our present government. | |||
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"The first vote was in or out,nothing about deals" That's what I thought I said. But in the last election we knew that a hard Brexit would be the most likely outcome but it was still the ticket that they rode in on. | |||
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"The first vote was in or out,nothing about deals" Why were we told that it would be the easiest deal in the history then if that wasn’t to influence the voters? | |||
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"The first vote was in or out,nothing about deals" True. Why bother with trivilislities like what would happen if we actually left? | |||
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"The first vote was in or out,nothing about deals" You were leaving an economic union What exactly did you expect? | |||
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"The first vote was in or out,nothing about deals Why were we told that it would be the easiest deal in the history then if that wasn’t to influence the voters?" No deal is the easiest deal. The EU aren't calling the UK timewasters because they don't show up for meets on fab  | |||
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"I love it when Brexit but jobs bang on about our amazing negotiating tactics....what are they? As far as I can see it's just sit there and doodle on a bit of paper whilst sulking like a twatty teenager." That's not fair... | |||
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"The first vote was in or out,nothing about deals Why were we told that it would be the easiest deal in the history then if that wasn’t to influence the voters? No deal is the easiest deal. The EU aren't calling the UK timewasters because they don't show up for meets on fab "You do realize that the UK needs unanimous agreement from WTO members to implement WTO rules in event of a no deal Brexit A Trade Deal with the EU used to be “the easiest deal ever” Now it’s a no deal | |||
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"The first vote was in or out,nothing about deals Why were we told that it would be the easiest deal in the history then if that wasn’t to influence the voters? No deal is the easiest deal. The EU aren't calling the UK timewasters because they don't show up for meets on fab
You do realize that the UK needs unanimous agreement from WTO members to implement WTO rules in event of a no deal Brexit
A Trade Deal with the EU used to be “the easiest deal ever”
Now it’s a no deal
"Does that mean if its a no deal and the wto members don't all say yes then no trade what so ever both ways between UK and EU or do I misunderstand your quote | |||
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"The first vote was in or out,nothing about deals Why were we told that it would be the easiest deal in the history then if that wasn’t to influence the voters? No deal is the easiest deal. The EU aren't calling the UK timewasters because they don't show up for meets on fab
You do realize that the UK needs unanimous agreement from WTO members to implement WTO rules in event of a no deal Brexit
A Trade Deal with the EU used to be “the easiest deal ever”
Now it’s a no deal
"No deal was always going to happen because the moment we voted Brexit we put ourselves on the back foot from a negotiation point of view. Because any deal we get is going to be embarrassingly worse than what we had before, the government is going for no deal. At least then they can blame the EU for the fallout. | |||
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"So the eu are complaing that the uk wont give them existing fishing rights, wont agree to continuing total alignment with any rule they choose and want us to be subject to their courts. That would like a divorce where one side had to agree to being still able to visit the others garden and take their veg or food from the fridge, still being able to say you cant have anal sex because the other side didnt want it during the marriage and saying if there is a dispute over child visitation one side has the final decision. It's not a negotiation its the EU saying we want everything to stay the same and if we dont get our way we will say the UK isnt compromising " So the eu want to run our legal system? | |||
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"So the eu are complaing that the uk wont give them existing fishing rights, wont agree to continuing total alignment with any rule they choose and want us to be subject to their courts. That would like a divorce where one side had to agree to being still able to visit the others garden and take their veg or food from the fridge, still being able to say you cant have anal sex because the other side didnt want it during the marriage and saying if there is a dispute over child visitation one side has the final decision. It's not a negotiation its the EU saying we want everything to stay the same and if we dont get our way we will say the UK isnt compromising So the eu want to run our legal system?" I don't think that's what robka was saying but stand to be corrected | |||
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"So the eu are complaing that the uk wont give them existing fishing rights, wont agree to continuing total alignment with any rule they choose and want us to be subject to their courts. That would like a divorce where one side had to agree to being still able to visit the others garden and take their veg or food from the fridge, still being able to say you cant have anal sex because the other side didnt want it during the marriage and saying if there is a dispute over child visitation one side has the final decision. It's not a negotiation its the EU saying we want everything to stay the same and if we dont get our way we will say the UK isnt compromising So the eu want to run our legal system? I don't think that's what robka was saying but stand to be corrected" Subject to our courts sure sounds like it? | |||
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"So the eu are complaing that the uk wont give them existing fishing rights, wont agree to continuing total alignment with any rule they choose and want us to be subject to their courts. That would like a divorce where one side had to agree to being still able to visit the others garden and take their veg or food from the fridge, still being able to say you cant have anal sex because the other side didnt want it during the marriage and saying if there is a dispute over child visitation one side has the final decision. It's not a negotiation its the EU saying we want everything to stay the same and if we dont get our way we will say the UK isnt compromising So the eu want to run our legal system? I don't think that's what robka was saying but stand to be corrected Subject to our courts sure sounds like it?" As I said I may be misinterpreting and only robka can say for sure but as its in relation to trade deal I thought she was talking about who would judge any possible disputes in the future | |||
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"If there is no deal they’ll tell us it’s the EU’s fault. Like the exams results mess is Ofqual’s fault, the care home deaths are the carers’ fault, the dinghies across the channel are France’s fault, the schools not reopening in June is the unions’ fault, the highest death rate in Europe for Covid is PUblic Health England’s fault, etc... And in four years’ time the simple minded will still vote for the same clowns. " 100% Correct | |||
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"No that is just simplistic. The fact is if we want access to their market then we will have to abide by some of the rules of the market. The more access we want then the more rules we will be expected to follow. The problem is that the Brexeteers said (in effect) we could have full access while making up our own rules." Is this to do with the court's I think Robka's was alluding to? | |||
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"No that is just simplistic. The fact is if we want access to their market then we will have to abide by some of the rules of the market. The more access we want then the more rules we will be expected to follow. The problem is that the Brexeteers said (in effect) we could have full access while making up our own rules." Bj..we can have our cake and eat it. We can add that to the list of bullshit told. | |||
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"No that is just simplistic. The fact is if we want access to their market then we will have to abide by some of the rules of the market. The more access we want then the more rules we will be expected to follow. The problem is that the Brexeteers said (in effect) we could have full access while making up our own rules. Is this to do with the court's I think Robka's was alluding to?" Yes, that was what we were responding to, but quite new to this and we obviously have a fast moving theme here. | |||
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"The first vote was in or out,nothing about deals You were leaving an economic union What exactly did you expect?" such a shame its not just a economic union because maybe things would then be different, the economic side is good, its just the political side that ruins it in my opinion. | |||
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"So the eu are complaing that the uk wont give them existing fishing rights, wont agree to continuing total alignment with any rule they choose and want us to be subject to their courts. That would like a divorce where one side had to agree to being still able to visit the others garden and take their veg or food from the fridge, still being able to say you cant have anal sex because the other side didnt want it during the marriage and saying if there is a dispute over child visitation one side has the final decision. It's not a negotiation its the EU saying we want everything to stay the same and if we dont get our way we will say the UK isnt compromising So the eu want to run our legal system? I don't think that's what robka was saying but stand to be corrected" the EU are demanding we are subject to their courts on disputes over standards and alignment. Of course we need to meet their standards on imports to eu countries, they want to set the standards we produce for our market too. | |||
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"Isnt it strange how the eu are always ganging up on plucky old Britain and denandomg this and that? Whilst we do our best to bend over and accommodate them. Some people really do have a selective memory." Glad you agree with my analysis | |||
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"Isnt it strange how the eu are always ganging up on plucky old Britain and denandomg this and that? Whilst we do our best to bend over and accommodate them. Some people really do have a selective memory. Glad you agree with my analysis " Ha ha I dont. I feel its this of thinking which has caused this shitstorm.We have had 30 years of the mail and the rag telling us that we are getting bullied by the eu,so enough people are happy to destroy our future with some bullshit belief that we are ",going to take back control.' It's almost comical. | |||
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"Isnt it strange how the eu are always ganging up on plucky old Britain and denandomg this and that? Whilst we do our best to bend over and accommodate them. Some people really do have a selective memory. Glad you agree with my analysis Ha ha I dont. I feel its this of thinking which has caused this shitstorm.We have had 30 years of the mail and the rag telling us that we are getting bullied by the eu,so enough people are happy to destroy our future with some bullshit belief that we are ",going to take back control.' It's almost comical." Something that should make people think is that those newspapers are not owned by people living in the UK. But hey I guess we don't have long to wait to find out what's true and what's not. | |||
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"I love it when Brexit but jobs bang on about our amazing negotiating tactics....what are they? As far as I can see it's just sit there and doodle on a bit of paper whilst sulking like a twatty teenager." Apart from barrier,frost and yourself who else was at the meetings. We're biscuits available | |||
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"Isnt it strange how the eu are always ganging up on plucky old Britain and denandomg this and that? Whilst we do our best to bend over and accommodate them. Some people really do have a selective memory. Glad you agree with my analysis Ha ha I dont. I feel its this of thinking which has caused this shitstorm.We have had 30 years of the mail and the rag telling us that we are getting bullied by the eu,so enough people are happy to destroy our future with some bullshit belief that we are ",going to take back control.' It's almost comical. Something that should make people think is that those newspapers are not owned by people living in the UK. But hey I guess we don't have long to wait to find out what's true and what's not." Heseltine makes that point in the Murdoch documentary. If we come out with no deal boris will simply blame it on the eu and the simple minded will lap it up. | |||
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"Isnt it strange how the eu are always ganging up on plucky old Britain and denandomg this and that? Whilst we do our best to bend over and accommodate them. Some people really do have a selective memory. Glad you agree with my analysis Ha ha I dont. I feel its this of thinking which has caused this shitstorm.We have had 30 years of the mail and the rag telling us that we are getting bullied by the eu,so enough people are happy to destroy our future with some bullshit belief that we are ",going to take back control.' It's almost comical. Something that should make people think is that those newspapers are not owned by people living in the UK. But hey I guess we don't have long to wait to find out what's true and what's not. Heseltine makes that point in the Murdoch documentary. If we come out with no deal boris will simply blame it on the eu and the simple minded will lap it up." It's so brutal but you can't look away. | |||
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"I love it when Brexit but jobs bang on about our amazing negotiating tactics....what are they? As far as I can see it's just sit there and doodle on a bit of paper whilst sulking like a twatty teenager. Apart from barrier,frost and yourself who else was at the meetings. We're biscuits available" Well,feel free to tell me what our negotiation tactics have been?? Basically, it's trying to go backwards on things we agreed. | |||
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As long as the scary foreigners can't get to the UK, it's all good. Our economy will suffer but it doesn't matter because Pawel from Poland won't be able to migrate to the UK to steal jobs or ruin the NHS. (I'm being sarcastic )
Right wing newspapers have blamed immigrants for the increase in NHS waiting times, unemployment, etc when in reality this has all been caused by government austerity. But their campaign worked, and the UK voted to leave.
The average brexit supported does not and will not care about no deal, even if it means the UK will end up worse. | |||
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"Brexit was never about EU rules and regulations. The majority of people who voted out didn't vote for sovereignty. They probably can't think of one EU law that was holding the UK back. They simply don't care about the economic consequences. Let's be real, the main driving force behind Brexit is immigration. What people forget is that there are non-EU migrants living in the UK too
As long as the scary foreigners can't get to the UK, it's all good. Our economy will suffer but it doesn't matter because Pawel from Poland won't be able to migrate to the UK to steal jobs or ruin the NHS. (I'm being sarcastic )
Right wing newspapers have blamed immigrants for the increase in NHS waiting times, unemployment, etc when in reality this has all been caused by government austerity. But their campaign worked, and the UK voted to leave.
The average brexit supported does not and will not care about no deal, even if it means the UK will end up worse."Spot on | |||
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"Brexit was never about EU rules and regulations. The majority of people who voted out didn't vote for sovereignty. They probably can't think of one EU law that was holding the UK back. They simply don't care about the economic consequences. Let's be real, the main driving force behind Brexit is immigration. What people forget is that there are non-EU migrants living in the UK too
As long as the scary foreigners can't get to the UK, it's all good. Our economy will suffer but it doesn't matter because Pawel from Poland won't be able to migrate to the UK to steal jobs or ruin the NHS. (I'm being sarcastic )
Right wing newspapers have blamed immigrants for the increase in NHS waiting times, unemployment, etc when in reality this has all been caused by government austerity. But their campaign worked, and the UK voted to leave.
The average brexit supported does not and will not care about no deal, even if it means the UK will end up worse.
Spot on"I presented a Brexit supporter with many facts in a long conversation. They then turned around and said they didn't care about facts. And they were happier to end up poorer too. They just wanted out of the EU. | |||
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"I love it when Brexit but jobs bang on about our amazing negotiating tactics....what are they? As far as I can see it's just sit there and doodle on a bit of paper whilst sulking like a twatty teenager. Apart from barrier,frost and yourself who else was at the meetings. We're biscuits available Well,feel free to tell me what our negotiation tactics have been?? Basically, it's trying to go backwards on things we agreed." Unlike some I don't claim to know as not in the meetings | |||
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"Brexit was never about EU rules and regulations. The majority of people who voted out didn't vote for sovereignty. They probably can't think of one EU law that was holding the UK back. They simply don't care about the economic consequences. Let's be real, the main driving force behind Brexit is immigration. What people forget is that there are non-EU migrants living in the UK too
As long as the scary foreigners can't get to the UK, it's all good. Our economy will suffer but it doesn't matter because Pawel from Poland won't be able to migrate to the UK to steal jobs or ruin the NHS. (I'm being sarcastic )
Right wing newspapers have blamed immigrants for the increase in NHS waiting times, unemployment, etc when in reality this has all been caused by government austerity. But their campaign worked, and the UK voted to leave.
The average brexit supported does not and will not care about no deal, even if it means the UK will end up worse.
Spot on
I presented a Brexit supporter with many facts in a long conversation. They then turned around and said they didn't care about facts. And they were happier to end up poorer too. They just wanted out of the EU."Pointless even trying to argue with that level of fanaticism | |||
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"I love it when Brexit but jobs bang on about our amazing negotiating tactics....what are they? As far as I can see it's just sit there and doodle on a bit of paper whilst sulking like a twatty teenager. Apart from barrier,frost and yourself who else was at the meetings. We're biscuits available Well,feel free to tell me what our negotiation tactics have been?? Basically, it's trying to go backwards on things we agreed. Unlike some I don't claim to know as not in the meetings" If it was going well I’m sure Gove would be shouting about it! Strangely quiet right now. Think maybe he’s trying to work out how big a mess this is going to be  | |||
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"I love it when Brexit but jobs bang on about our amazing negotiating tactics....what are they? As far as I can see it's just sit there and doodle on a bit of paper whilst sulking like a twatty teenager. Apart from barrier,frost and yourself who else was at the meetings. We're biscuits available Well,feel free to tell me what our negotiation tactics have been?? Basically, it's trying to go backwards on things we agreed. Unlike some I don't claim to know as not in the meetings If it was going well I’m sure Gove would be shouting about it! Strangely quiet right now. Think maybe he’s trying to work out how big a mess this is going to be "The fact is we simply don't know unless your part of it. blaming one side or the other and saying they are sulking without out first hand knowledge is very odd. | |||
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"I love it when Brexit but jobs bang on about our amazing negotiating tactics....what are they? As far as I can see it's just sit there and doodle on a bit of paper whilst sulking like a twatty teenager. Apart from barrier,frost and yourself who else was at the meetings. We're biscuits available Well,feel free to tell me what our negotiation tactics have been?? Basically, it's trying to go backwards on things we agreed. Unlike some I don't claim to know as not in the meetings" You just have to open you ears and listen to what both parties are saying....not rocket science fella | |||
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"The EU want their legal system to overrule ours they want the vast majority of the fishing quotas, they want the best of any trade deals. In other words they want everything their way exactly the way it is now! We are now a sovereign state but they don't recognize that they still think they can tell us what to do read between the headlines for God's sake!!" One would think the EU would follow their own legal system and not a non-members legal system, don't you think? The UK gov wants all the benefits of being in the EU, without being in the EU. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. | |||
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"The EU want their legal system to overrule ours they want the vast majority of the fishing quotas, they want the best of any trade deals. In other words they want everything their way exactly the way it is now! We are now a sovereign state but they don't recognize that they still think they can tell us what to do read between the headlines for God's sake!! One would think the EU would follow their own legal system and not a non-members legal system, don't you think? The UK gov wants all the benefits of being in the EU, without being in the EU. You cannot have your cake and eat it too." You can if you negotiate from a position of strength. “Only negotiate from a position of strength “. Who famously said that? | |||
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"I love it when Brexit but jobs bang on about our amazing negotiating tactics....what are they? As far as I can see it's just sit there and doodle on a bit of paper whilst sulking like a twatty teenager. Apart from barrier,frost and yourself who else was at the meetings. We're biscuits available Well,feel free to tell me what our negotiation tactics have been?? Basically, it's trying to go backwards on things we agreed. Unlike some I don't claim to know as not in the meetings If it was going well I’m sure Gove would be shouting about it! Strangely quiet right now. Think maybe he’s trying to work out how big a mess this is going to be
The fact is we simply don't know unless your part of it. blaming one side or the other and saying they are sulking without out first hand knowledge is very odd. "I am blaming the gullible people who we’re lead to believe we are better off leaving the EU. Having four months to go as and still no idea of our leaving terms for business is just incompetent. Business can work with a plan . It can take months to negotiate contracts so leaving with just four months to work with something so critical to business is a nightmare. After four years there isn’t a plan and at the very beginning the Brexiteers didn’t have one so thats we are in this mess. Just the same as the racist bigots voting for control of immigration who still have no clue what they were voting for as most immigration is from outside of the EU and largely unaffected . As for being part of it, I had a meeting with senior border control staff a few months ago and their lack of knowledge and information from the government was shocking . Their own admission btw!! So if that’s an example of their negotiation tactics it’s not looking good. You are correct I’m not involved in the meetings so can’t listen in but you don’t need to be in a building to see it’s on fire!!  | |||
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"No EU decision is taken until five past midnight on the last day, why would they miss out on all those lovely nights in first class hotels on huge expenses. Anyone who thinks any deal will be done until the last minute plainly has no experience of how it works, is that stupid, yes of course but that's how the EU has always done it,up to now it's all posturing" True I still believe that leaving will be posponed for 6 months due to virus. | |||
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"It's funny how the brexiters said a deal with the EU will be so easy. Who are they fooling. " I knew it would be hard once again you do not have a clue at how brexiters think. There are many like you that believe we are better staying in the EU your fooling yourselves on that one | |||
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"No EU decision is taken until five past midnight on the last day, why would they miss out on all those lovely nights in first class hotels on huge expenses. Anyone who thinks any deal will be done until the last minute plainly has no experience of how it works, is that stupid, yes of course but that's how the EU has always done it,up to now it's all posturingTrue I still believe that leaving will be posponed for 6 months due to virus." can't see that tbh | |||
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"The EU want their legal system to overrule ours they want the vast majority of the fishing quotas, they want the best of any trade deals. In other words they want everything their way exactly the way it is now! We are now a sovereign state but they don't recognize that they still think they can tell us what to do read between the headlines for God's sake!! One would think the EU would follow their own legal system and not a non-members legal system, don't you think? The UK gov wants all the benefits of being in the EU, without being in the EU. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. You can if you negotiate from a position of strength. “Only negotiate from a position of strength “. Who famously said that? " We are clearly not in a position of strength. We've got the USA knocking on our door waiting to exploit us | |||
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"The EU want their legal system to overrule ours they want the vast majority of the fishing quotas, they want the best of any trade deals. In other words they want everything their way exactly the way it is now! We are now a sovereign state but they don't recognize that they still think they can tell us what to do read between the headlines for God's sake!!" They want the best deal they can? How dare they! | |||
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"The EU want their legal system to overrule ours they want the vast majority of the fishing quotas, they want the best of any trade deals. In other words they want everything their way exactly the way it is now! We are now a sovereign state but they don't recognize that they still think they can tell us what to do read between the headlines for God's sake!! They want the best deal they can? How dare they!" Why aren't they giving the UK a good deal? Don't they know who we are? We're Great Britain. How dare they!! | |||
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"The EU want their legal system to overrule ours they want the vast majority of the fishing quotas, they want the best of any trade deals. In other words they want everything their way exactly the way it is now! We are now a sovereign state but they don't recognize that they still think they can tell us what to do read between the headlines for God's sake!! They want the best deal they can? How dare they!" As a UK citizen I want the best deal possible for us too. Don't you | |||
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"The EU want their legal system to overrule ours they want the vast majority of the fishing quotas, they want the best of any trade deals. In other words they want everything their way exactly the way it is now! We are now a sovereign state but they don't recognize that they still think they can tell us what to do read between the headlines for God's sake!! One would think the EU would follow their own legal system and not a non-members legal system, don't you think? The UK gov wants all the benefits of being in the EU, without being in the EU. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. You can if you negotiate from a position of strength. “Only negotiate from a position of strength “. Who famously said that? We are clearly not in a position of strength. We've got the USA knocking on our door waiting to exploit us "I know. | |||
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"The EU want their legal system to overrule ours they want the vast majority of the fishing quotas, they want the best of any trade deals. In other words they want everything their way exactly the way it is now! We are now a sovereign state but they don't recognize that they still think they can tell us what to do read between the headlines for God's sake!! They want the best deal they can? How dare they! As a UK citizen I want the best deal possible for us too. Don't you" So why are people whinging when it's the eu doing exactly what we are doing? Its the type of nonsense we have been fed the last 30 years. The nasty old eu ganging up on plucky old Britain. Absolute bullshit. | |||
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"The EU want their legal system to overrule ours they want the vast majority of the fishing quotas, they want the best of any trade deals. In other words they want everything their way exactly the way it is now! We are now a sovereign state but they don't recognize that they still think they can tell us what to do read between the headlines for God's sake!! They want the best deal they can? How dare they! As a UK citizen I want the best deal possible for us too. Don't you So why are people whinging when it's the eu doing exactly what we are doing? Its the type of nonsense we have been fed the last 30 years. The nasty old eu ganging up on plucky old Britain. Absolute bullshit." Both sides are the same. It's not nasty EU or nasty UK its just both trying to get the best possible deal. EU blame the UK and UK blame the EU. It's very common common in such situations. I personally want the UK team to try their best to get the best deal for us all. Don't think that is unusual | |||
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"The EU want their legal system to overrule ours they want the vast majority of the fishing quotas, they want the best of any trade deals. In other words they want everything their way exactly the way it is now! We are now a sovereign state but they don't recognize that they still think they can tell us what to do read between the headlines for God's sake!! They want the best deal they can? How dare they! As a UK citizen I want the best deal possible for us too. Don't you So why are people whinging when it's the eu doing exactly what we are doing? Its the type of nonsense we have been fed the last 30 years. The nasty old eu ganging up on plucky old Britain. Absolute bullshit. Both sides are the same. It's not nasty EU or nasty UK its just both trying to get the best possible deal. EU blame the UK and UK blame the EU. It's very common common in such situations. I personally want the UK team to try their best to get the best deal for us all. Don't think that is unusual" Read this thread back and look at the references to the eu 'bullying'us. This is what the entire Brexit lie has been based on.For decades the rag and the mail have been feeding us this nonsense that 27 countries continually ganged up on us. It's an absolute fairy tale and the likes of Farage made the most of the it..so know we can 'take back control'. I said yesterday it's almost comical but I doubt if people will be laughing in 5 years time (well apart from the likes of Reece mogg) | |||
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"Have I got this right?we have left the EU but we want our courts to decide on on any future trade deals with eu countries? I have not seen anything like that so far. Was it on the news" That's why I posed it as a question ? I dont really get the bit about eu courts having the final say. | |||
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"The EU want their legal system to overrule ours they want the vast majority of the fishing quotas, they want the best of any trade deals. In other words they want everything their way exactly the way it is now! We are now a sovereign state but they don't recognize that they still think they can tell us what to do read between the headlines for God's sake!! They want the best deal they can? How dare they! As a UK citizen I want the best deal possible for us too. Don't you So why are people whinging when it's the eu doing exactly what we are doing? Its the type of nonsense we have been fed the last 30 years. The nasty old eu ganging up on plucky old Britain. Absolute bullshit. Both sides are the same. It's not nasty EU or nasty UK its just both trying to get the best possible deal. EU blame the UK and UK blame the EU. It's very common common in such situations. I personally want the UK team to try their best to get the best deal for us all. Don't think that is unusual Read this thread back and look at the references to the eu 'bullying'us. This is what the entire Brexit lie has been based on.For decades the rag and the mail have been feeding us this nonsense that 27 countries continually ganged up on us. It's an absolute fairy tale and the likes of Farage made the most of the it..so know we can 'take back control'. I said yesterday it's almost comical but I doubt if people will be laughing in 5 years time (well apart from the likes of Reece mogg)" I have read the thread but I'm not responsible for what others claim. I was just giving my opinion on how I see it so far. As said its both sides doing what I would hope they would do. It's normal for each side to try to get the best they can. I see the EU blaming the UK and the UK blaming the EU. I don't class either side as nasty for doing their jobs. I'm sure some will blame the EU for anything just like some like to blame the UK for everything | |||
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"Have I got this right?we have left the EU but we want our courts to decide on on any future trade deals with eu countries? I have not seen anything like that so far. Was it on the news That's why I posed it as a question ? I dont really get the bit about eu courts having the final say." My apologies I see your quote on our courts and thought you meant them having the final say | |||
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"Have I got this right?we have left the EU but we want our courts to decide on on any future trade deals with eu countries? I have not seen anything like that so far. Was it on the news That's why I posed it as a question ? I dont really get the bit about eu courts having the final say." It has been explained to you several times perhaps if you dont understand this very simple part it explains why you dont get a lot of things. | |||
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"Have I got this right?we have left the EU but we want our courts to decide on on any future trade deals with eu countries? I have not seen anything like that so far. Was it on the news That's why I posed it as a question ? I dont really get the bit about eu courts having the final say. It has been explained to you several times perhaps if you dont understand this very simple part it explains why you dont get a lot of things." True. I dont get people who are clueless enough to be brainwashed by the likes of the mail but it happens. | |||
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"I know one thing I bet the owners of the mail wish they really did have as many readers as the 52% of people that voted in favour of Brexit, they would be laughing all the way to the bank." Indeed. But add The sun Sky news Daily express London evening Standard Metro The Times The independent Plus a wide range of regional papers all owned by just three people A Tory backing Lord Rupert Murdoch A Russian Billionaire backer of Boris And you begin to see how biased the news output was in convincing those people who voted leave. Our media needs reform and regulation. | |||
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"I know one thing I bet the owners of the mail wish they really did have as many readers as the 52% of people that voted in favour of Brexit, they would be laughing all the way to the bank. Indeed. But add The sun Sky news Daily express London evening Standard Metro The Times The independent Plus a wide range of regional papers all owned by just three people A Tory backing Lord Rupert Murdoch A Russian Billionaire backer of Boris And you begin to see how biased the news output was in convincing those people who voted leave. Our media needs reform and regulation. " Not sure about the indy. Mad isnt it? You have all those biased outlets and yet the people are up in arms about the 1 media source which at least pretends to be impartial. | |||
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"I know one thing I bet the owners of the mail wish they really did have as many readers as the 52% of people that voted in favour of Brexit, they would be laughing all the way to the bank. Indeed. But add The sun Sky news Daily express London evening Standard Metro The Times The independent Plus a wide range of regional papers all owned by just three people A Tory backing Lord Rupert Murdoch A Russian Billionaire backer of Boris And you begin to see how biased the news output was in convincing those people who voted leave. Our media needs reform and regulation. Not sure about the indy. Mad isnt it? You have all those biased outlets and yet the people are up in arms about the 1 media source which at least pretends to be impartial." Alexander Lebedev The party central Russian billionaire based in Regents Park owned the independent until last year when the mail group purchase it . | |||
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"I love it when Brexit but jobs bang on about our amazing negotiating tactics....what are they? As far as I can see it's just sit there and doodle on a bit of paper whilst sulking like a twatty teenager. Apart from barrier,frost and yourself who else was at the meetings. We're biscuits available Well,feel free to tell me what our negotiation tactics have been?? Basically, it's trying to go backwards on things we agreed. Unlike some I don't claim to know as not in the meetings If it was going well I’m sure Gove would be shouting about it! Strangely quiet right now. Think maybe he’s trying to work out how big a mess this is going to be
The fact is we simply don't know unless your part of it. blaming one side or the other and saying they are sulking without out first hand knowledge is very odd.
I am blaming the gullible people who we’re lead to believe we are better off leaving the EU.
Having four months to go as and still no idea of our leaving terms for business is just incompetent.
Business can work with a plan . It can take months to negotiate contracts so leaving with just four months to work with something so critical to business is a nightmare.
After four years there isn’t a plan and at the very beginning the Brexiteers didn’t have one so thats we are in this mess.
Just the same as the racist bigots voting for control of immigration who still have no clue what they were voting for as most immigration is from outside of the EU and largely unaffected .
As for being part of it, I had a meeting with senior border control staff a few months ago and their lack of knowledge and information from the government was shocking . Their own admission btw!!
So if that’s an example of their negotiation tactics it’s not looking good.
You are correct I’m not involved in the meetings so can’t listen in but you don’t need to be in a building to see it’s on fire!! "Sounds like you did not see anyone sulking either then | |||
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"I love it when Brexit but jobs bang on about our amazing negotiating tactics....what are they? As far as I can see it's just sit there and doodle on a bit of paper whilst sulking like a twatty teenager. Apart from barrier,frost and yourself who else was at the meetings. We're biscuits available Well,feel free to tell me what our negotiation tactics have been?? Basically, it's trying to go backwards on things we agreed. Unlike some I don't claim to know as not in the meetings If it was going well I’m sure Gove would be shouting about it! Strangely quiet right now. Think maybe he’s trying to work out how big a mess this is going to be
The fact is we simply don't know unless your part of it. blaming one side or the other and saying they are sulking without out first hand knowledge is very odd.
I am blaming the gullible people who we’re lead to believe we are better off leaving the EU.
Having four months to go as and still no idea of our leaving terms for business is just incompetent.
Business can work with a plan . It can take months to negotiate contracts so leaving with just four months to work with something so critical to business is a nightmare.
After four years there isn’t a plan and at the very beginning the Brexiteers didn’t have one so thats we are in this mess.
Just the same as the racist bigots voting for control of immigration who still have no clue what they were voting for as most immigration is from outside of the EU and largely unaffected .
As for being part of it, I had a meeting with senior border control staff a few months ago and their lack of knowledge and information from the government was shocking . Their own admission btw!!
So if that’s an example of their negotiation tactics it’s not looking good.
You are correct I’m not involved in the meetings so can’t listen in but you don’t need to be in a building to see it’s on fire!!
Sounds like you did not see anyone sulking either then"Business doesn’t sulk it reacts to need and rules. It can’t react to something that it doesn’t know. | |||
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"I love it when Brexit but jobs bang on about our amazing negotiating tactics....what are they? As far as I can see it's just sit there and doodle on a bit of paper whilst sulking like a twatty teenager. Apart from barrier,frost and yourself who else was at the meetings. We're biscuits available Well,feel free to tell me what our negotiation tactics have been?? Basically, it's trying to go backwards on things we agreed. Unlike some I don't claim to know as not in the meetings If it was going well I’m sure Gove would be shouting about it! Strangely quiet right now. Think maybe he’s trying to work out how big a mess this is going to be
The fact is we simply don't know unless your part of it. blaming one side or the other and saying they are sulking without out first hand knowledge is very odd.
I am blaming the gullible people who we’re lead to believe we are better off leaving the EU.
Having four months to go as and still no idea of our leaving terms for business is just incompetent.
Business can work with a plan . It can take months to negotiate contracts so leaving with just four months to work with something so critical to business is a nightmare.
After four years there isn’t a plan and at the very beginning the Brexiteers didn’t have one so thats we are in this mess.
Just the same as the racist bigots voting for control of immigration who still have no clue what they were voting for as most immigration is from outside of the EU and largely unaffected .
As for being part of it, I had a meeting with senior border control staff a few months ago and their lack of knowledge and information from the government was shocking . Their own admission btw!!
So if that’s an example of their negotiation tactics it’s not looking good.
You are correct I’m not involved in the meetings so can’t listen in but you don’t need to be in a building to see it’s on fire!!
Sounds like you did not see anyone sulking either then
Business doesn’t sulk it reacts to need and rules.
It can’t react to something that it doesn’t know.
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"I love it when Brexit but jobs bang on about our amazing negotiating tactics....what are they? As far as I can see it's just sit there and doodle on a bit of paper whilst sulking like a twatty teenager. Apart from barrier,frost and yourself who else was at the meetings. We're biscuits available Well,feel free to tell me what our negotiation tactics have been?? Basically, it's trying to go backwards on things we agreed. Unlike some I don't claim to know as not in the meetings If it was going well I’m sure Gove would be shouting about it! Strangely quiet right now. Think maybe he’s trying to work out how big a mess this is going to be
The fact is we simply don't know unless your part of it. blaming one side or the other and saying they are sulking without out first hand knowledge is very odd.
I am blaming the gullible people who we’re lead to believe we are better off leaving the EU.
Having four months to go as and still no idea of our leaving terms for business is just incompetent.
Business can work with a plan . It can take months to negotiate contracts so leaving with just four months to work with something so critical to business is a nightmare.
After four years there isn’t a plan and at the very beginning the Brexiteers didn’t have one so thats we are in this mess.
Just the same as the racist bigots voting for control of immigration who still have no clue what they were voting for as most immigration is from outside of the EU and largely unaffected .
As for being part of it, I had a meeting with senior border control staff a few months ago and their lack of knowledge and information from the government was shocking . Their own admission btw!!
So if that’s an example of their negotiation tactics it’s not looking good.
You are correct I’m not involved in the meetings so can’t listen in but you don’t need to be in a building to see it’s on fire!!
Sounds like you did not see anyone sulking either then
Business doesn’t sulk it reacts to need and rules.
It can’t react to something that it doesn’t know.
Correct they don't know, I don't know and the other posters don't know yet some claim they do"No one but the incompetent few know that’s true, but before long if they don’t agree on something this is going to be a disaster for jobs because we can’t plan. The CBI are voicing they’ve had enough and firing warning shot across at government. A normally non political organisation is getting angry. | |||
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"I know one thing I bet the owners of the mail wish they really did have as many readers as the 52% of people that voted in favour of Brexit, they would be laughing all the way to the bank.They are there online paper is the biggest online paper on the planet I believe" i actually didn't even know they had a online paper lol | |||
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"The first vote was in or out,nothing about deals" There was no details about how we would leave, or about any repercussions from leaving. | |||
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"The first vote was in or out,nothing about deals There was no details about how we would leave, or about any repercussions from leaving." Agh here Are ye really that naive What did ye expect was going to happen ? That’s a bit like saying the Uk declares a war on France and your shocked when lads start arriving home in bodybags The repercussions were well documented just not in the likes of the sun and the mail | |||
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"I know one thing I bet the owners of the mail wish they really did have as many readers as the 52% of people that voted in favour of Brexit, they would be laughing all the way to the bank.They are there online paper is the biggest online paper on the planet I believe i actually didn't even know they had a online paper lol" they don't they have an even more sensationalist far right web site thats banned from Wikipedia as a source due to poor objectivity and fact checking . full of celebrity clickbate no better than hello on that score. the comments section can be horrendous full of the worst reactionary right-wing keyboard warriors and armchair colnels | |||
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"The day after we leave we hold all the cards and we choose the path we want M gove 9th April 2016" And you believed all that Remarkable if you did | |||
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"The day after we leave we hold all the cards and we choose the path we want M gove 9th April 2016 And you believed all that Remarkable if you did " No I didnt. However what you seem to be saying is a senior member of the gmnt blatantly lied. Are you saying everyone who voted leave ,knew he was lying but voted leave anyway knowing for a fact it would be a total cluster fuck? | |||
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"The day after we leave we hold all the cards and we choose the path we want M gove 9th April 2016 And you believed all that Remarkable if you did No I didnt. However what you seem to be saying is a senior member of the gmnt blatantly lied. Are you saying everyone who voted leave ,knew he was lying but voted leave anyway knowing for a fact it would be a total cluster fuck?" What exactly did they expect? Anyone that expressed any sort of an informed opinion as to what would happen was labeled a remoaner. Well “project fear” has arrived folks Deal with it | |||
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"The day after we leave we hold all the cards and we choose the path we want M gove 9th April 2016 And you believed all that Remarkable if you did No I didnt. However what you seem to be saying is a senior member of the gmnt blatantly lied. Are you saying everyone who voted leave ,knew he was lying but voted leave anyway knowing for a fact it would be a total cluster fuck? What exactly did they expect? Anyone that expressed any sort of an informed opinion as to what would happen was labeled a remoaner. Well “project fear” has arrived folks Deal with it " They believed the shite that was spouted. That unicorns would be shitting gold in our front gardens the day after Brexit. | |||
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"They gave the people the vote. They voted. Respect the Vote. Easy Peasy " Why didn’t they respect the vote in 1975? Easy peasy | |||
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"They gave the people the vote. They voted. Respect the Vote. Easy Peasy Why didn’t they respect the vote in 1975? Easy peasy " They did. But the EEC morphed into something completely different | |||
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"They gave the people the vote. They voted. Respect the Vote. Easy Peasy " Sums up Brexit in 1 paragraph. People actually believed it was that simple. | |||
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"They gave the people the vote. They voted. Respect the Vote. Easy Peasy Why didn’t they respect the vote in 1975? Easy peasy They did. But the EEC morphed into something completely different " Completely different to what? Did you vote for a no deal Brexit in 2016? | |||
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"They gave the people the vote. They voted. Respect the Vote. Easy Peasy Sums up Brexit in 1 paragraph. People actually believed it was that simple. " Just proves the majority of leave voters didn’t have a clue what they were voting for. Firstly they believed we were going to get an amazing deal, now they are think a no deal is the best option  | |||
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"They gave the people the vote. They voted. Respect the Vote. Easy Peasy Sums up Brexit in 1 paragraph. People actually believed it was that simple. Just proves the majority of leave voters didn’t have a clue what they were voting for. Firstly they believed we were going to get an amazing deal, now they are think a no deal is the best option "Perhaps leave voters could not be trusted to vote. Perhaps stupid people are not allowed to vote eh? | |||
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"They gave the people the vote. They voted. Respect the Vote. Easy Peasy Why didn’t they respect the vote in 1975? Easy peasy They did. But the EEC morphed into something completely different Completely different to what? Did you vote for a no deal Brexit in 2016? " I voted on the question asked and the box I placed my X in is my business | |||
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"They won't listen if you point out facts or logic, though. I think it's because they invested so much time and emotion in believing the lies. It's easier now to dig in and keep believing the lies than to open themselves to the idea they have been lied to." Bollocks | |||
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"They won't listen if you point out facts or logic, though. I think it's because they invested so much time and emotion in believing the lies. It's easier now to dig in and keep believing the lies than to open themselves to the idea they have been lied to.Bollocks" Indeed. The brexit voters were told a load of bollocks. Glad you agree. | |||
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"I am old enough to know many friends and aquaintances who have gone through the merry-go-round of first engagements,first marriage, children, divorce, second marriage, second divorce etc.. We all know those men and women who can't stop hating, can't let it go, spending more time hating and regretting than getting on with their new life. The bitter people.. the ones that will turn any conversation around to tell you how much they can't stand their previous partner... These are the same qualities that I see in bitter remainders... Others act civilly and move on and do the best thing for their children and for their own sanity.. We had an election.. just accept it... Bitter people are just plain nasty .. In my opinion.." I wonder if you see the ironies here. You're posting on a thread to tell people to let it go. You could have just let it go and not posted on the thread. You're also complaining about bitter people being nasty, while nastily calling certain people bitter remainers. | |||
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"They gave the people the vote. They voted. Respect the Vote. Easy Peasy Why didn’t they respect the vote in 1975? Easy peasy They did. But the EEC morphed into something completely different " I’m curious to know what you think Brexit was when you voted and what it is now? Genuine question not having a go | |||
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"I am old enough to know many friends and aquaintances who have gone through the merry-go-round of first engagements,first marriage, children, divorce, second marriage, second divorce etc.. We all know those men and women who can't stop hating, can't let it go, spending more time hating and regretting than getting on with their new life. The bitter people.. the ones that will turn any conversation around to tell you how much they can't stand their previous partner... These are the same qualities that I see in bitter remainders... Others act civilly and move on and do the best thing for their children and for their own sanity.. We had an election.. just accept it... Bitter people are just plain nasty .. In my opinion.." Remainders? Why would a remain voter be bitter about what is happening, we weren’t the ones who fell for the lies. It is the leave voters who should be bitter and angry , they have been taken for a ride and been treated like idiots | |||
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"They won't listen if you point out facts or logic, though. I think it's because they invested so much time and emotion in believing the lies. It's easier now to dig in and keep believing the lies than to open themselves to the idea they have been lied to.Bollocks" So you voted for a no deal Brexit as well? | |||
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"They gave the people the vote. They voted. Respect the Vote. Easy Peasy Why didn’t they respect the vote in 1975? Easy peasy They did. But the EEC morphed into something completely different Completely different to what? Did you vote for a no deal Brexit in 2016? I voted on the question asked and the box I placed my X in is my business "Is there a difference between a ‘great deal’ and a ‘no deal ‘ Brexit? | |||
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"They won't listen if you point out facts or logic, though. I think it's because they invested so much time and emotion in believing the lies. It's easier now to dig in and keep believing the lies than to open themselves to the idea they have been lied to.Bollocks Indeed. The brexit voters were told a load of bollocks. Glad you agree." | |||
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"It's funny how the brexiters said a deal with the EU will be so easy. Who are they fooling. " Just a couple of months to go now as think they said October was the cut off point | |||
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"I am old enough to know many friends and aquaintances who have gone through the merry-go-round of first engagements,first marriage, children, divorce, second marriage, second divorce etc.. We all know those men and women who can't stop hating, can't let it go, spending more time hating and regretting than getting on with their new life. The bitter people.. the ones that will turn any conversation around to tell you how much they can't stand their previous partner... These are the same qualities that I see in bitter remainders... Others act civilly and move on and do the best thing for their children and for their own sanity.. We had an election.. just accept it... Bitter people are just plain nasty .. In my opinion.. Remainders? Why would a remain voter be bitter about what is happening, we weren’t the ones who fell for the lies. It is the leave voters who should be bitter and angry , they have been taken for a ride and been treated like idiots " I rest my case | |||
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"I am old enough to know many friends and aquaintances who have gone through the merry-go-round of first engagements,first marriage, children, divorce, second marriage, second divorce etc.. We all know those men and women who can't stop hating, can't let it go, spending more time hating and regretting than getting on with their new life. The bitter people.. the ones that will turn any conversation around to tell you how much they can't stand their previous partner... These are the same qualities that I see in bitter remainders... Others act civilly and move on and do the best thing for their children and for their own sanity.. We had an election.. just accept it... Bitter people are just plain nasty .. In my opinion.. Remainders? Why would a remain voter be bitter about what is happening, we weren’t the ones who fell for the lies. It is the leave voters who should be bitter and angry , they have been taken for a ride and been treated like idiots I rest my case " You wanna be careful resting your case on such flimsy logic. It could easily fall over. | |||
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