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"750,000 - 1,000000 Yes The test kits do not work again ...... https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53705229 So our .GoV knew about this killer virus in january/february And the diabolical first policy was NOT to put in place massive research/orders and using Tests for all of the UK for 2 - 3 months. It sat on its hands apart from Boris shaking hands...... A total not fit for purpose .Gov dereliction of duty." Once again you miss quoted what's in the report. It does NOT say in the report the kits do not work. It does say the swabs in some kits were not up to standard. And it does say results from Randox tests were unaffected. | |||
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"750,000 - 1,000000 Yes The test kits do not work again ...... https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53705229 So our .GoV knew about this killer virus in january/february And the diabolical first policy was NOT to put in place massive research/orders and using Tests for all of the UK for 2 - 3 months. It sat on its hands apart from Boris shaking hands...... A total not fit for purpose .Gov dereliction of duty. Once again you miss quoted what's in the report. It does NOT say in the report the kits do not work. It does say the swabs in some kits were not up to standard. And it does say results from Randox tests were unaffected." It says the risk is low not unaffected Quote from the bbc Quote “It comes weeks after the health secretary said Randox kits should not be used until further notice. In mid-July, Matt Hancock said the swabs in some kits were "not up to standard". Unquote. The tests would not be withdrawn if they were confident they still worked effectively. It’s just another look busy and get your mate to make something quickly. Do we hear of any clawback for substandard supplies. I would like to know. | |||
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"750,000 - 1,000000 Yes The test kits do not work again ...... https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53705229 So our .GoV knew about this killer virus in january/february And the diabolical first policy was NOT to put in place massive research/orders and using Tests for all of the UK for 2 - 3 months. It sat on its hands apart from Boris shaking hands...... A total not fit for purpose .Gov dereliction of duty. Once again you miss quoted what's in the report. It does NOT say in the report the kits do not work. It does say the swabs in some kits were not up to standard. And it does say results from Randox tests were unaffected. It says the risk is low not unaffected Quote from the bbc Quote “It comes weeks after the health secretary said Randox kits should not be used until further notice. In mid-July, Matt Hancock said the swabs in some kits were "not up to standard". Unquote. The tests would not be withdrawn if they were confident they still worked effectively. It’s just another look busy and get your mate to make something quickly. Do we hear of any clawback for substandard supplies. I would like to know. " If they are not upto standard I guess they dont work? | |||
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"750,000 - 1,000000 Yes The test kits do not work again ...... https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53705229 So our .GoV knew about this killer virus in january/february And the diabolical first policy was NOT to put in place massive research/orders and using Tests for all of the UK for 2 - 3 months. It sat on its hands apart from Boris shaking hands...... A total not fit for purpose .Gov dereliction of duty. Once again you miss quoted what's in the report. It does NOT say in the report the kits do not work. It does say the swabs in some kits were not up to standard. And it does say results from Randox tests were unaffected. It says the risk is low not unaffected Quote from the bbc Quote “It comes weeks after the health secretary said Randox kits should not be used until further notice. In mid-July, Matt Hancock said the swabs in some kits were "not up to standard". Unquote. The tests would not be withdrawn if they were confident they still worked effectively. It’s just another look busy and get your mate to make something quickly. Do we hear of any clawback for substandard supplies. I would like to know. If they are not upto standard I guess they dont work?" The first lot to be withdrawn, was because the manufacturing paperwork wasn't complete. | |||
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"I would think if the government bought something and it didnt work they wouldnt pay for it just like you or i." How we doing defending these dodgy PPE contracts folks?? Just asking, because the usual suspects in the 'they can do no wrong brigade' are out in force again I see. Just a little reminder... https://goodlawproject.org/news/the-ppe-fiasco/ | |||
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"I can't see where anybody has really defended it so far from the posts above tbh." Oh, they will defend literally anything. Anyway, those PPE contracts... | |||
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"I would think if the government bought something and it didnt work they wouldnt pay for it just like you or i. How we doing defending these dodgy PPE contracts folks?? Just asking, because the usual suspects in the 'they can do no wrong brigade' are out in force again I see. Just a little reminder... https://goodlawproject.org/news/the-ppe-fiasco/" yeah the good law project  those clowns who tried to stop Brexit by mounting legal challenges to the government says it all now. | |||
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"I can't see where anybody has really defended it so far from the posts above tbh. Oh, they will defend literally anything. Anyway, those PPE contracts..." maybe but I cant see it from above posts but there you go, and yes dodgy ppe contracts, scandalous as usual, politicians and spending public money never go well together no matter which party is involved because they are all the same,in my opinion anyway. | |||
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"I can't see where anybody has really defended it so far from the posts above tbh." was not really defending or condoning it as i have no idea if they paid for dodgy ppe or not and my guess the poster has not either. | |||
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"I can't see where anybody has really defended it so far from the posts above tbh. was not really defending or condoning it as i have no idea if they paid for dodgy ppe or not and my guess the poster has not either. " Me either, fortunately The Good Law project will hopefully find out  | |||
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"I would think if the government bought something and it didnt work they wouldnt pay for it just like you or i." I work in a public/private company. The gmnt paid a private company millions for an it system that turned out to be not fit for purpose. They didn't get a refund. | |||
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"I can't see where anybody has really defended it so far from the posts above tbh. Oh, they will defend literally anything. Anyway, those PPE contracts...maybe but I cant see it from above posts but there you go, and yes dodgy ppe contracts, scandalous as usual, politicians and spending public money never go well together no matter which party is involved because they are all the same,in my opinion anyway." They really aren't. | |||
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"I would think if the government bought something and it didnt work they wouldnt pay for it just like you or i. I work in a public/private company. The gmnt paid a private company millions for an it system that turned out to be not fit for purpose. They didn't get a refund. " Whats a public/private company? surely its one or the other. | |||
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"I can't see where anybody has really defended it so far from the posts above tbh. Oh, they will defend literally anything. Anyway, those PPE contracts...maybe but I cant see it from above posts but there you go, and yes dodgy ppe contracts, scandalous as usual, politicians and spending public money never go well together no matter which party is involved because they are all the same,in my opinion anyway. They really aren't." sorry mate but you can't say its only the torys that have ever wasted and abused taxpayers money because that ain't true, at some piont they have all been caught with there noses in the trough. | |||
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"I would think if the government bought something and it didnt work they wouldnt pay for it just like you or i. I work in a public/private company. The gmnt paid a private company millions for an it system that turned out to be not fit for purpose. They didn't get a refund. Whats a public/private company? surely its one or the other." No it's a combination..I work for a public one but we work in partnership with a private one. | |||
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"I would think if the government bought something and it didnt work they wouldnt pay for it just like you or i. I work in a public/private company. The gmnt paid a private company millions for an it system that turned out to be not fit for purpose. They didn't get a refund. Whats a public/private company? surely its one or the other. No it's a combination..I work for a public one but we work in partnership with a private one." So you work for a company that designs IT systems that are unfit for purpose? | |||
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"I can't see where anybody has really defended it so far from the posts above tbh. Oh, they will defend literally anything. Anyway, those PPE contracts...maybe but I cant see it from above posts but there you go, and yes dodgy ppe contracts, scandalous as usual, politicians and spending public money never go well together no matter which party is involved because they are all the same,in my opinion anyway. They really aren't.sorry mate but you can't say its only the torys that have ever wasted and abused taxpayers money because that ain't true, at some piont they have all been caught with there noses in the trough." There is a difference between waste and abuse. Politics can be a dirty business but to say every single politician is corrupt is simply untrue. The tories have always had links to big business, there is therefore logically bound to be more shenanigans going on. I'm waiting for someone to actually ask them, why do so many of these companies have links to the tory party? It's a valid question to ask so why hasn't it been? | |||
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"I would think if the government bought something and it didnt work they wouldnt pay for it just like you or i. I work in a public/private company. The gmnt paid a private company millions for an it system that turned out to be not fit for purpose. They didn't get a refund. Whats a public/private company? surely its one or the other. No it's a combination..I work for a public one but we work in partnership with a private one.So you work for a company that designs IT systems that are unfit for purpose?" Nope..I work for the public one..like I said. The contract was awarded to the private one.They made a complete fuck up of it. Nice try though. | |||
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"I would think if the government bought something and it didnt work they wouldnt pay for it just like you or i. I work in a public/private company. The gmnt paid a private company millions for an it system that turned out to be not fit for purpose. They didn't get a refund. Whats a public/private company? surely its one or the other. No it's a combination..I work for a public one but we work in partnership with a private one.So you work for a company that designs IT systems that are unfit for purpose? Nope..I work for the public one..like I said. The contract was awarded to the private one.They made a complete fuck up of it. Nice try though." But the are partners no? working for a public/private company.  | |||
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"I would think if the government bought something and it didnt work they wouldnt pay for it just like you or i. I work in a public/private company. The gmnt paid a private company millions for an it system that turned out to be not fit for purpose. They didn't get a refund. Whats a public/private company? surely its one or the other. No it's a combination..I work for a public one but we work in partnership with a private one.So you work for a company that designs IT systems that are unfit for purpose? Nope..I work for the public one..like I said. The contract was awarded to the private one.They made a complete fuck up of it. Nice try though.But the are partners no? working for a public/private company. "Eh? | |||
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"I can't see where anybody has really defended it so far from the posts above tbh. Oh, they will defend literally anything. Anyway, those PPE contracts...maybe but I cant see it from above posts but there you go, and yes dodgy ppe contracts, scandalous as usual, politicians and spending public money never go well together no matter which party is involved because they are all the same,in my opinion anyway. They really aren't.sorry mate but you can't say its only the torys that have ever wasted and abused taxpayers money because that ain't true, at some piont they have all been caught with there noses in the trough. There is a difference between waste and abuse. Politics can be a dirty business but to say every single politician is corrupt is simply untrue. The tories have always had links to big business, there is therefore logically bound to be more shenanigans going on. I'm waiting for someone to actually ask them, why do so many of these companies have links to the tory party? It's a valid question to ask so why hasn't it been?" Yes there is a difference between waste and abuse but once again its not only been the tories that have done this, labour did too when they were last in, I will agree there are some good politicians though and that not all are corrupt but in my opinion not enough of them I am afraid. | |||
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"Also just because something has happened in the past,doesnt mean we turn a blind eye to it now." Too true the country needs all the money they can get and i hope they go after the money they paid your parent company for something that didnt work the way it was supposed to. | |||
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"I can't see where anybody has really defended it so far from the posts above tbh. Oh, they will defend literally anything. Anyway, those PPE contracts...maybe but I cant see it from above posts but there you go, and yes dodgy ppe contracts, scandalous as usual, politicians and spending public money never go well together no matter which party is involved because they are all the same,in my opinion anyway." | |||
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"I can't see where anybody has really defended it so far from the posts above tbh. Oh, they will defend literally anything. Anyway, those PPE contracts...maybe but I cant see it from above posts but there you go, and yes dodgy ppe contracts, scandalous as usual, politicians and spending public money never go well together no matter which party is involved because they are all the same,in my opinion anyway. They really aren't.sorry mate but you can't say its only the torys that have ever wasted and abused taxpayers money because that ain't true, at some piont they have all been caught with there noses in the trough. There is a difference between waste and abuse. Politics can be a dirty business but to say every single politician is corrupt is simply untrue. The tories have always had links to big business, there is therefore logically bound to be more shenanigans going on. I'm waiting for someone to actually ask them, why do so many of these companies have links to the tory party? It's a valid question to ask so why hasn't it been?" First i would ask how many of these companies are there and then how many of the directors have links with the tories and with labour? once these figures are known we might get an answer,my guess is there are probably more company directors who are tory rather than labour. | |||
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"I can't see where anybody has really defended it so far from the posts above tbh. Oh, they will defend literally anything. Anyway, those PPE contracts...maybe but I cant see it from above posts but there you go, and yes dodgy ppe contracts, scandalous as usual, politicians and spending public money never go well together no matter which party is involved because they are all the same,in my opinion anyway. They really aren't.sorry mate but you can't say its only the torys that have ever wasted and abused taxpayers money because that ain't true, at some piont they have all been caught with there noses in the trough. There is a difference between waste and abuse. Politics can be a dirty business but to say every single politician is corrupt is simply untrue. The tories have always had links to big business, there is therefore logically bound to be more shenanigans going on. I'm waiting for someone to actually ask them, why do so many of these companies have links to the tory party? It's a valid question to ask so why hasn't it been?First i would ask how many of these companies are there and then how many of the directors have links with the tories and with labour? once these figures are known we might get an answer,my guess is there are probably more company directors who are tory rather than labour." But they arent even be asked? There may be an innocent explanation..ha..but they are not being held to account at all. Probably.. definitely. | |||
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"This lot take the piss and dont even hide it. Is there anything more corrupt than those dinners they have where business leaders spend grands to sit next to an mp? " This happens whatever party are in as the other poster has pointed out.How about mr blair charging £500,000 for speeches or kinnock and family making millions from the eu this is nothing new and going off point. | |||
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"I can't see where anybody has really defended it so far from the posts above tbh. Oh, they will defend literally anything. Anyway, those PPE contracts...maybe but I cant see it from above posts but there you go, and yes dodgy ppe contracts, scandalous as usual, politicians and spending public money never go well together no matter which party is involved because they are all the same,in my opinion anyway. They really aren't.sorry mate but you can't say its only the torys that have ever wasted and abused taxpayers money because that ain't true, at some piont they have all been caught with there noses in the trough. There is a difference between waste and abuse. Politics can be a dirty business but to say every single politician is corrupt is simply untrue. The tories have always had links to big business, there is therefore logically bound to be more shenanigans going on. I'm waiting for someone to actually ask them, why do so many of these companies have links to the tory party? It's a valid question to ask so why hasn't it been?First i would ask how many of these companies are there and then how many of the directors have links with the tories and with labour? once these figures are known we might get an answer,my guess is there are probably more company directors who are tory rather than labour. But they arent even be asked? There may be an innocent explanation..ha..but they are not being held to account at all. Probably.. definitely." Well thats the job of the labour party if anything its them that are not doing their job.The opposition is there to hold the government to account thats the way it works. | |||
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"I would think if the government bought something and it didnt work they wouldnt pay for it just like you or i. I work in a public/private company. The gmnt paid a private company millions for an it system that turned out to be not fit for purpose. They didn't get a refund. Whats a public/private company? surely its one or the other. No it's a combination..I work for a public one but we work in partnership with a private one.So you work for a company that designs IT systems that are unfit for purpose? Nope..I work for the public one..like I said. The contract was awarded to the private one.They made a complete fuck up of it. Nice try though.But the are partners no? working for a public/private company. "If my experiences of the public sector are anything to go by contracts are rarely given to the best, often given to the cheapest but mostly given to those with the fattest brown envelope. Ex wife was a council internal investigative auditor, amazing how many heads of department chose to leave after she had been in with her team. Also just as amazing was how many of them ever thought they could get away with some of the scams, some involving hundreds of thousands of pounds. They are never sacked though & it’s all kept quiet & a little after many will just be at another council. S | |||
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"This lot take the piss and dont even hide it. Is there anything more corrupt than those dinners they have where business leaders spend grands to sit next to an mp? This happens whatever party are in as the other poster has pointed out.How about mr blair charging £500,000 for speeches or kinnock and family making millions from the eu this is nothing new and going off point." Completely different Blair is nothing to do with labour anymore.. neither is kinnock. | |||
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"I can't see where anybody has really defended it so far from the posts above tbh. Oh, they will defend literally anything. Anyway, those PPE contracts...maybe but I cant see it from above posts but there you go, and yes dodgy ppe contracts, scandalous as usual, politicians and spending public money never go well together no matter which party is involved because they are all the same,in my opinion anyway. They really aren't.sorry mate but you can't say its only the torys that have ever wasted and abused taxpayers money because that ain't true, at some piont they have all been caught with there noses in the trough. There is a difference between waste and abuse. Politics can be a dirty business but to say every single politician is corrupt is simply untrue. The tories have always had links to big business, there is therefore logically bound to be more shenanigans going on. I'm waiting for someone to actually ask them, why do so many of these companies have links to the tory party? It's a valid question to ask so why hasn't it been?First i would ask how many of these companies are there and then how many of the directors have links with the tories and with labour? once these figures are known we might get an answer,my guess is there are probably more company directors who are tory rather than labour. But they arent even be asked? There may be an innocent explanation..ha..but they are not being held to account at all. Probably.. definitely.Well thats the job of the labour party if anything its them that are not doing their job.The opposition is there to hold the government to account thats the way it works." True Ks is too busy paying out to whistleblowers. But also so.are journalists. | |||
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"I would think if the government bought something and it didnt work they wouldnt pay for it just like you or i. I work in a public/private company. The gmnt paid a private company millions for an it system that turned out to be not fit for purpose. They didn't get a refund. Whats a public/private company? surely its one or the other. No it's a combination..I work for a public one but we work in partnership with a private one.So you work for a company that designs IT systems that are unfit for purpose? Nope..I work for the public one..like I said. The contract was awarded to the private one.They made a complete fuck up of it. Nice try though.But the are partners no? working for a public/private company.
If my experiences of the public sector are anything to go by contracts are rarely given to the best, often given to the cheapest but mostly given to those with the fattest brown envelope.
Ex wife was a council internal investigative auditor, amazing how many heads of department chose to leave after she had been in with her team.
Also just as amazing was how many of them ever thought they could get away with some of the scams, some involving hundreds of thousands of pounds.
They are never sacked though & it’s all kept quiet & a little after many will just be at another council.
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"I would think if the government bought something and it didnt work they wouldnt pay for it just like you or i. I work in a public/private company. The gmnt paid a private company millions for an it system that turned out to be not fit for purpose. They didn't get a refund. Whats a public/private company? surely its one or the other. No it's a combination..I work for a public one but we work in partnership with a private one.So you work for a company that designs IT systems that are unfit for purpose? Nope..I work for the public one..like I said. The contract was awarded to the private one.They made a complete fuck up of it. Nice try though.But the are partners no? working for a public/private company.
If my experiences of the public sector are anything to go by contracts are rarely given to the best, often given to the cheapest but mostly given to those with the fattest brown envelope.
Ex wife was a council internal investigative auditor, amazing how many heads of department chose to leave after she had been in with her team.
Also just as amazing was how many of them ever thought they could get away with some of the scams, some involving hundreds of thousands of pounds.
They are never sacked though & it’s all kept quiet & a little after many will just be at another council.
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"I can't see where anybody has really defended it so far from the posts above tbh. Oh, they will defend literally anything. Anyway, those PPE contracts...maybe but I cant see it from above posts but there you go, and yes dodgy ppe contracts, scandalous as usual, politicians and spending public money never go well together no matter which party is involved because they are all the same,in my opinion anyway. They really aren't.sorry mate but you can't say its only the torys that have ever wasted and abused taxpayers money because that ain't true, at some piont they have all been caught with there noses in the trough. There is a difference between waste and abuse. Politics can be a dirty business but to say every single politician is corrupt is simply untrue. The tories have always had links to big business, there is therefore logically bound to be more shenanigans going on. I'm waiting for someone to actually ask them, why do so many of these companies have links to the tory party? It's a valid question to ask so why hasn't it been?First i would ask how many of these companies are there and then how many of the directors have links with the tories and with labour? once these figures are known we might get an answer,my guess is there are probably more company directors who are tory rather than labour. But they arent even be asked? There may be an innocent explanation..ha..but they are not being held to account at all. Probably.. definitely.Well thats the job of the labour party if anything its them that are not doing their job.The opposition is there to hold the government to account thats the way it works. True Ks is too busy paying out to whistleblowers. But also so.are journalists." There you go you had the answer to your question all along. | |||
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"750,000 - 1,000000 Yes The test kits do not work again ...... https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53705229 So our .GoV knew about this killer virus in january/february And the diabolical first policy was NOT to put in place massive research/orders and using Tests for all of the UK for 2 - 3 months. It sat on its hands apart from Boris shaking hands...... A total not fit for purpose .Gov dereliction of duty. Once again you miss quoted what's in the report. It does NOT say in the report the kits do not work. It does say the swabs in some kits were not up to standard. And it does say results from Randox tests were unaffected. It says the risk is low not unaffected Quote from the bbc Quote “It comes weeks after the health secretary said Randox kits should not be used until further notice. In mid-July, Matt Hancock said the swabs in some kits were "not up to standard". Unquote. The tests would not be withdrawn if they were confident they still worked effectively. It’s just another look busy and get your mate to make something quickly. Do we hear of any clawback for substandard supplies. I would like to know. If they are not upto standard I guess they dont work?" The report does not say they do not work. If fact as I have already posted 'results from Randox tests were unaffected.' Keep up Lionel and read..!!! | |||
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"750,000 - 1,000000 Yes The test kits do not work again ...... https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53705229 So our .GoV knew about this killer virus in january/february And the diabolical first policy was NOT to put in place massive research/orders and using Tests for all of the UK for 2 - 3 months. It sat on its hands apart from Boris shaking hands...... A total not fit for purpose .Gov dereliction of duty. Once again you miss quoted what's in the report. It does NOT say in the report the kits do not work. It does say the swabs in some kits were not up to standard. And it does say results from Randox tests were unaffected. It says the risk is low not unaffected Quote from the bbc Quote “It comes weeks after the health secretary said Randox kits should not be used until further notice. In mid-July, Matt Hancock said the swabs in some kits were "not up to standard". Unquote. The tests would not be withdrawn if they were confident they still worked effectively. It’s just another look busy and get your mate to make something quickly. Do we hear of any clawback for substandard supplies. I would like to know. If they are not upto standard I guess they dont work? The report does not say they do not work. If fact as I have already posted 'results from Randox tests were unaffected.' Keep up Lionel and read..!!!" From Randox.com: “STATEMENT FROM RANDOX: 07 August 2020 Randox Laboratories have today taken the decision to recall Covid-19 sample collection kits, following the identification of incomplete EC certification. On 15th July DHSC placed these kits on hold due to the absence of swab certification from an external supplier. To date, Randox have not been provided with evidence to satisfactorily support the CE marking for these swabs. So, noting the lack of CE certification by the supplier and that some kits remain in the field at this time Randox has, as a regulatory measure, initiated the recall of those kits used within the National Testing Programme. Randox Laboratories will continue to provide high volume Covid-19 testing to the National Testing Programme from their laboratories, based on sample collection kits from other providers. DHSC have stated the risk to safety is low and test results from Randox kits are not affected.” | |||
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"So both of you choose to ignor the facts that the kits do work. You may not like it but you are stuck with the Conservatives in Government. " Yep it's been a roaring success. Persknally I cant wait for the next 4 years of corruption,incompetence and general bufoonery. | |||
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"So both of you choose to ignor the facts that the kits do work. You may not like it but you are stuck with the Conservatives in Government. " Is it the supplier or government that are withdrawing the kits?. Have they been proven to be unsafe or is it they lack the correct paperwork. In this day and age not having the correct paperwork is crazy but hope they are not going to scrap the kits if they are perfectly ok to use | |||
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"So both of you choose to ignor the facts that the kits do work. You may not like it but you are stuck with the Conservatives in Government. Is it the supplier or government that are withdrawing the kits?. Have they been proven to be unsafe or is it they lack the correct paperwork. In this day and age not having the correct paperwork is crazy but hope they are not going to scrap the kits if they are perfectly ok to use" Randox have now recalled the batch that the government had originally put on hold. One of the materials supplier to Randox has not been able to provide the appropriate certification for one component of the kit - and so Randox recall. | |||
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"This lot take the piss and dont even hide it. Is there anything more corrupt than those dinners they have where business leaders spend grands to sit next to an mp? This happens whatever party are in as the other poster has pointed out.How about mr blair charging £500,000 for speeches or kinnock and family making millions from the eu this is nothing new and going off point." Unfortunately wasting money seems to be a given for all governments regardless if its Tory or labour and IT seems to be a favourite. Many billions were wasted on IT projects especially for the NHS some of which never worked and had to be scrapped | |||
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"shybloke Look you are deluded - 70 % of the public do not trust Boris at all, he is a serial lyer, the testing has been diabolical - AND IT HAS BEEN A SHAMBLES and and still is. We are into the 6th month and our government is just at 40 % capacity and STILL no in community testing for ANYONE THAT WANTS A TEST as anyone can have covid and not know they have it. Where is the world beating app ? ?? Where is the testing results from our tiny Isle of White data - that was paramount to us all ?????? " Actually you are the deluded one. You started this thread saying the kits do not work and it turns out the kits do work. So you are posting fake news. Not unually for someone like you and you don't like been proven wrong either. | |||
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"So both of you choose to ignor the facts that the kits do work. You may not like it but you are stuck with the Conservatives in Government. Is it the supplier or government that are withdrawing the kits?. Have they been proven to be unsafe or is it they lack the correct paperwork. In this day and age not having the correct paperwork is crazy but hope they are not going to scrap the kits if they are perfectly ok to use Randox have now recalled the batch that the government had originally put on hold. One of the materials supplier to Randox has not been able to provide the appropriate certification for one component of the kit - and so Randox recall. " A case of the headlines not being an accurate portrayal then. I personally prefer them to be safe even if its only a certificate missing when distributing so many in the population | |||
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"Leroy your totally and utterly off the page fella...... the public have never mistrusted a prim minister before like they do now 70 - 80 % Best thing is not to blindly follow people - when they are wrong ..they are wrong - simple as. AND The point being is that Cummings writes the headlines - usually 3 word slogans on a white board .. so BoZo can remember them when he does His buffoon / bluster speeches.. Dont forget Boris is our world beating ?? leader ......" where do you get your % figures for the mistrust of government from out of interest?? | |||
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"Yeh i can, I am a member of our local pub quizzers, different pubs linked up in the Teesside area during lockdown One of the popular topics keep cropping up is politics! So one of the online group asked us all to say - if we thought our government & Boris had handled this crisis well or poorly. And bearing in mind 70 % had switched to voting Tory from being labour. Out of 60 people 52 voted for poorly......" It'd be interesting to see a poll on here of how many people think Johnson's done a good job v a bad job. (But it would devolve into an argument in record time.) | |||
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"Yeh i can, I am a member of our local pub quizzers, different pubs linked up in the Teesside area during lockdown One of the popular topics keep cropping up is politics! So one of the online group asked us all to say - if we thought our government & Boris had handled this crisis well or poorly. And bearing in mind 70 % had switched to voting Tory from being labour. Out of 60 people 52 voted for poorly...... It'd be interesting to see a poll on here of how many people think Johnson's done a good job v a bad job. (But it would devolve into an argument in record time.)" I think it is very complicated and although the government was very poor and slow to begin with,doing better now | |||
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"Yeh i can, I am a member of our local pub quizzers, different pubs linked up in the Teesside area during lockdown One of the popular topics keep cropping up is politics! So one of the online group asked us all to say - if we thought our government & Boris had handled this crisis well or poorly. And bearing in mind 70 % had switched to voting Tory from being labour. Out of 60 people 52 voted for poorly...... It'd be interesting to see a poll on here of how many people think Johnson's done a good job v a bad job. (But it would devolve into an argument in record time.)I think it is very complicated and although the government was very poor and slow to begin with,doing better now" See, I'm v tempted to argue with you now and say just how badly Johnson and his lot are still doing. But that would prove my previous point about this devolving into an argument. Curses. | |||
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"shybloke Look you are deluded - 70 % of the public do not trust Boris at all, he is a serial lyer, the testing has been diabolical - AND IT HAS BEEN A SHAMBLES and and still is. We are into the 6th month and our government is just at 40 % capacity and STILL no in community testing for ANYONE THAT WANTS A TEST as anyone can have covid and not know they have it. Where is the world beating app ? ?? Where is the testing results from our tiny Isle of White data - that was paramount to us all ?????? Actually you are the deluded one. You started this thread saying the kits do not work and it turns out the kits do work. So you are posting fake news. Not unually for someone like you and you don't like been proven wrong either." Hi Shy bloke If the kits are recalled they are not fit for purpose so they do not work because they can’t be used. Whatever the technicality they are useless. If someone dies because correct procedures aren’t followed the lawsuit in the medical world would be cataclysmic . The certification is for safety pure and simple. I personally think the handling of the whole Covid 19 has been quite shocking and caused needless deaths . It doesn’t matter how you wrap this up the Government and the civil service has been asleep on the job. So many sad stories of loss and now the economic catastrophe to follow. Let’s throw Brexit on top just to really set ourselves on fire. Boris is not fit for the job of PM and I frankly think the Tories will be sharpening their knives quietly . | |||
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"Leroy your totally and utterly off the page fella...... the public have never mistrusted a prim minister before like they do now 70 - 80 % Best thing is not to blindly follow people - when they are wrong ..they are wrong - simple as. AND The point being is that Cummings writes the headlines - usually 3 word slogans on a white board .. so BoZo can remember them when he does His buffoon / bluster speeches.. Dont forget Boris is our world beating ?? leader ......" I'm of the page for asking a question and the answer does not support the headlines? | |||
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"Leroy No No No how many times, Hm bullshit & lies flows from this .Gov Dom Cummings makes the headlines. Remember on his big white board for BoZo's 3 word slogans NO NO No" No I'm not of the page for asking a question ? | |||
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"Yeh i can, I am a member of our local pub quizzers, different pubs linked up in the Teesside area during lockdown One of the popular topics keep cropping up is politics! So one of the online group asked us all to say - if we thought our government & Boris had handled this crisis well or poorly. And bearing in mind 70 % had switched to voting Tory from being labour. Out of 60 people 52 voted for poorly...... ok, I see, i just wondered as could not find any figure's like that whilst searching about." A much more reliable poll has the PMs positive approval rating on 44% with 6% who don't know. | |||
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"I can't see where anybody has really defended it so far from the posts above tbh. Oh, they will defend literally anything. Anyway, those PPE contracts...maybe but I cant see it from above posts but there you go, and yes dodgy ppe contracts, scandalous as usual, politicians and spending public money never go well together no matter which party is involved because they are all the same,in my opinion anyway." Thats true and sadly thats why many don,t vote anymore and it gets harder to do so politicicans certainly don,t encourage you to do so but it could be worst look at trump for example.. | |||
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"shybloke Look you are deluded - 70 % of the public do not trust Boris at all, he is a serial lyer, the testing has been diabolical - AND IT HAS BEEN A SHAMBLES and and still is. We are into the 6th month and our government is just at 40 % capacity and STILL no in community testing for ANYONE THAT WANTS A TEST as anyone can have covid and not know they have it. Where is the world beating app ? ?? Where is the testing results from our tiny Isle of White data - that was paramount to us all ?????? Actually you are the deluded one. You started this thread saying the kits do not work and it turns out the kits do work. So you are posting fake news. Not unually for someone like you and you don't like been proven wrong either. Hi Shy bloke If the kits are recalled they are not fit for purpose so they do not work because they can’t be used. Whatever the technicality they are useless. If someone dies because correct procedures aren’t followed the lawsuit in the medical world would be cataclysmic . The certification is for safety pure and simple. I personally think the handling of the whole Covid 19 has been quite shocking and caused needless deaths . It doesn’t matter how you wrap this up the Government and the civil service has been asleep on the job. So many sad stories of loss and now the economic catastrophe to follow. Let’s throw Brexit on top just to really set ourselves on fire. Boris is not fit for the job of PM and I frankly think the Tories will be sharpening their knives quietly . " My replies have been to the OP who post a link to a report. The report does NOT say the kits do not work. The report DOES say the results from the kits work. If you are going to post a link to a news report at least quote what the report say and don't make up something it does not say.! | |||
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"shybloke Look you are deluded - 70 % of the public do not trust Boris at all, he is a serial lyer, the testing has been diabolical - AND IT HAS BEEN A SHAMBLES and and still is. We are into the 6th month and our government is just at 40 % capacity and STILL no in community testing for ANYONE THAT WANTS A TEST as anyone can have covid and not know they have it. Where is the world beating app ? ?? Where is the testing results from our tiny Isle of White data - that was paramount to us all ?????? Actually you are the deluded one. You started this thread saying the kits do not work and it turns out the kits do work. So you are posting fake news. Not unually for someone like you and you don't like been proven wrong either. Hi Shy bloke If the kits are recalled they are not fit for purpose so they do not work because they can’t be used. Whatever the technicality they are useless. If someone dies because correct procedures aren’t followed the lawsuit in the medical world would be cataclysmic . The certification is for safety pure and simple. I personally think the handling of the whole Covid 19 has been quite shocking and caused needless deaths . It doesn’t matter how you wrap this up the Government and the civil service has been asleep on the job. So many sad stories of loss and now the economic catastrophe to follow. Let’s throw Brexit on top just to really set ourselves on fire. Boris is not fit for the job of PM and I frankly think the Tories will be sharpening their knives quietly . My replies have been to the OP who post a link to a report. The report does NOT say the kits do not work. The report DOES say the results from the kits work. If you are going to post a link to a news report at least quote what the report say and don't make up something it does not say.!" The original report doesnt day they do work either. Hancock said there were safety concerns so most people would assume there is some sort of problem. | |||
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"shybloke Look you are deluded - 70 % of the public do not trust Boris at all, he is a serial lyer, the testing has been diabolical - AND IT HAS BEEN A SHAMBLES and and still is. We are into the 6th month and our government is just at 40 % capacity and STILL no in community testing for ANYONE THAT WANTS A TEST as anyone can have covid and not know they have it. Where is the world beating app ? ?? Where is the testing results from our tiny Isle of White data - that was paramount to us all ?????? Actually you are the deluded one. You started this thread saying the kits do not work and it turns out the kits do work. So you are posting fake news. Not unually for someone like you and you don't like been proven wrong either. Hi Shy bloke If the kits are recalled they are not fit for purpose so they do not work because they can’t be used. Whatever the technicality they are useless. If someone dies because correct procedures aren’t followed the lawsuit in the medical world would be cataclysmic . The certification is for safety pure and simple. I personally think the handling of the whole Covid 19 has been quite shocking and caused needless deaths . It doesn’t matter how you wrap this up the Government and the civil service has been asleep on the job. So many sad stories of loss and now the economic catastrophe to follow. Let’s throw Brexit on top just to really set ourselves on fire. Boris is not fit for the job of PM and I frankly think the Tories will be sharpening their knives quietly . My replies have been to the OP who post a link to a report. The report does NOT say the kits do not work. The report DOES say the results from the kits work. If you are going to post a link to a news report at least quote what the report say and don't make up something it does not say.! The original report doesnt day they do work either. Hancock said there were safety concerns so most people would assume there is some sort of problem." what is your assumption of what the problem is with the kits that have been recalled? | |||
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"shybloke Look you are deluded - 70 % of the public do not trust Boris at all, he is a serial lyer, the testing has been diabolical - AND IT HAS BEEN A SHAMBLES and and still is. We are into the 6th month and our government is just at 40 % capacity and STILL no in community testing for ANYONE THAT WANTS A TEST as anyone can have covid and not know they have it. Where is the world beating app ? ?? Where is the testing results from our tiny Isle of White data - that was paramount to us all ?????? Actually you are the deluded one. You started this thread saying the kits do not work and it turns out the kits do work. So you are posting fake news. Not unually for someone like you and you don't like been proven wrong either. Hi Shy bloke If the kits are recalled they are not fit for purpose so they do not work because they can’t be used. Whatever the technicality they are useless. If someone dies because correct procedures aren’t followed the lawsuit in the medical world would be cataclysmic . The certification is for safety pure and simple. I personally think the handling of the whole Covid 19 has been quite shocking and caused needless deaths . It doesn’t matter how you wrap this up the Government and the civil service has been asleep on the job. So many sad stories of loss and now the economic catastrophe to follow. Let’s throw Brexit on top just to really set ourselves on fire. Boris is not fit for the job of PM and I frankly think the Tories will be sharpening their knives quietly . My replies have been to the OP who post a link to a report. The report does NOT say the kits do not work. The report DOES say the results from the kits work. If you are going to post a link to a news report at least quote what the report say and don't make up something it does not say.! The original report doesnt day they do work either. Hancock said there were safety concerns so most people would assume there is some sort of problem. what is your assumption of what the problem is with the kits that have been recalled?" I would have assumed they were not upto soec going by what Hancock said. | |||
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"shybloke Look you are deluded - 70 % of the public do not trust Boris at all, he is a serial lyer, the testing has been diabolical - AND IT HAS BEEN A SHAMBLES and and still is. We are into the 6th month and our government is just at 40 % capacity and STILL no in community testing for ANYONE THAT WANTS A TEST as anyone can have covid and not know they have it. Where is the world beating app ? ?? Where is the testing results from our tiny Isle of White data - that was paramount to us all ?????? Actually you are the deluded one. You started this thread saying the kits do not work and it turns out the kits do work. So you are posting fake news. Not unually for someone like you and you don't like been proven wrong either. Hi Shy bloke If the kits are recalled they are not fit for purpose so they do not work because they can’t be used. Whatever the technicality they are useless. If someone dies because correct procedures aren’t followed the lawsuit in the medical world would be cataclysmic . The certification is for safety pure and simple. I personally think the handling of the whole Covid 19 has been quite shocking and caused needless deaths . It doesn’t matter how you wrap this up the Government and the civil service has been asleep on the job. So many sad stories of loss and now the economic catastrophe to follow. Let’s throw Brexit on top just to really set ourselves on fire. Boris is not fit for the job of PM and I frankly think the Tories will be sharpening their knives quietly . My replies have been to the OP who post a link to a report. The report does NOT say the kits do not work. The report DOES say the results from the kits work. If you are going to post a link to a news report at least quote what the report say and don't make up something it does not say.! The original report doesnt day they do work either. Hancock said there were safety concerns so most people would assume there is some sort of problem." Lionel please lean to read..! Just for you I will again put what the OP report says. "Results from Randox tests were unaffected.' | |||
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"shybloke Look you are deluded - 70 % of the public do not trust Boris at all, he is a serial lyer, the testing has been diabolical - AND IT HAS BEEN A SHAMBLES and and still is. We are into the 6th month and our government is just at 40 % capacity and STILL no in community testing for ANYONE THAT WANTS A TEST as anyone can have covid and not know they have it. Where is the world beating app ? ?? Where is the testing results from our tiny Isle of White data - that was paramount to us all ?????? Actually you are the deluded one. You started this thread saying the kits do not work and it turns out the kits do work. So you are posting fake news. Not unually for someone like you and you don't like been proven wrong either. Hi Shy bloke If the kits are recalled they are not fit for purpose so they do not work because they can’t be used. Whatever the technicality they are useless. If someone dies because correct procedures aren’t followed the lawsuit in the medical world would be cataclysmic . The certification is for safety pure and simple. I personally think the handling of the whole Covid 19 has been quite shocking and caused needless deaths . It doesn’t matter how you wrap this up the Government and the civil service has been asleep on the job. So many sad stories of loss and now the economic catastrophe to follow. Let’s throw Brexit on top just to really set ourselves on fire. Boris is not fit for the job of PM and I frankly think the Tories will be sharpening their knives quietly . My replies have been to the OP who post a link to a report. The report does NOT say the kits do not work. The report DOES say the results from the kits work. If you are going to post a link to a news report at least quote what the report say and don't make up something it does not say.! The original report doesnt day they do work either. Hancock said there were safety concerns so most people would assume there is some sort of problem. Lionel please lean to read..! Just for you I will again put what the OP report says. "Results from Randox tests were unaffected.'" I'll repeat..if a shit loads of kits were returned and noises made about safety concerns..I'd assume there was some sort of issue | |||
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"shybloke Look you are deluded - 70 % of the public do not trust Boris at all, he is a serial lyer, the testing has been diabolical - AND IT HAS BEEN A SHAMBLES and and still is. We are into the 6th month and our government is just at 40 % capacity and STILL no in community testing for ANYONE THAT WANTS A TEST as anyone can have covid and not know they have it. Where is the world beating app ? ?? Where is the testing results from our tiny Isle of White data - that was paramount to us all ?????? Actually you are the deluded one. You started this thread saying the kits do not work and it turns out the kits do work. So you are posting fake news. Not unually for someone like you and you don't like been proven wrong either. Hi Shy bloke If the kits are recalled they are not fit for purpose so they do not work because they can’t be used. Whatever the technicality they are useless. If someone dies because correct procedures aren’t followed the lawsuit in the medical world would be cataclysmic . The certification is for safety pure and simple. I personally think the handling of the whole Covid 19 has been quite shocking and caused needless deaths . It doesn’t matter how you wrap this up the Government and the civil service has been asleep on the job. So many sad stories of loss and now the economic catastrophe to follow. Let’s throw Brexit on top just to really set ourselves on fire. Boris is not fit for the job of PM and I frankly think the Tories will be sharpening their knives quietly . My replies have been to the OP who post a link to a report. The report does NOT say the kits do not work. The report DOES say the results from the kits work. If you are going to post a link to a news report at least quote what the report say and don't make up something it does not say.! The original report doesnt day they do work either. Hancock said there were safety concerns so most people would assume there is some sort of problem. Lionel please lean to read..! Just for you I will again put what the OP report says. "Results from Randox tests were unaffected.' I'll repeat..if a shit loads of kits were returned and noises made about safety concerns..I'd assume there was some sort of issue " Lionel nobody is disputing there was an issue. The OP stated the kits do not work with a link to a news report. The report stated the results from the kits were unaffected. Basically Fake News from the OP. | |||
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"shybloke Look you are deluded - 70 % of the public do not trust Boris at all, he is a serial lyer, the testing has been diabolical - AND IT HAS BEEN A SHAMBLES and and still is. We are into the 6th month and our government is just at 40 % capacity and STILL no in community testing for ANYONE THAT WANTS A TEST as anyone can have covid and not know they have it. Where is the world beating app ? ?? Where is the testing results from our tiny Isle of White data - that was paramount to us all ?????? Actually you are the deluded one. You started this thread saying the kits do not work and it turns out the kits do work. So you are posting fake news. Not unually for someone like you and you don't like been proven wrong either. Hi Shy bloke If the kits are recalled they are not fit for purpose so they do not work because they can’t be used. Whatever the technicality they are useless. If someone dies because correct procedures aren’t followed the lawsuit in the medical world would be cataclysmic . The certification is for safety pure and simple. I personally think the handling of the whole Covid 19 has been quite shocking and caused needless deaths . It doesn’t matter how you wrap this up the Government and the civil service has been asleep on the job. So many sad stories of loss and now the economic catastrophe to follow. Let’s throw Brexit on top just to really set ourselves on fire. Boris is not fit for the job of PM and I frankly think the Tories will be sharpening their knives quietly . My replies have been to the OP who post a link to a report. The report does NOT say the kits do not work. The report DOES say the results from the kits work. If you are going to post a link to a news report at least quote what the report say and don't make up something it does not say.! The original report doesnt day they do work either. Hancock said there were safety concerns so most people would assume there is some sort of problem. what is your assumption of what the problem is with the kits that have been recalled? I would have assumed they were not upto soec going by what Hancock said." Which part is not up to spec? | |||
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"As I posted days ago! The kits work. The manufacturing paperwork isn't upto to the correct specification. Without the correct paperwork in place, the CE marking becomes invalid. " Yes - some know this, others still won’t accept it as fact. | |||
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"As I posted days ago! The kits work. The manufacturing paperwork isn't upto to the correct specification. Without the correct paperwork in place, the CE marking becomes invalid. Yes - some know this, others still won’t accept it as fact. "Why dont they just amend the paperwork? | |||
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"As I posted days ago! The kits work. The manufacturing paperwork isn't upto to the correct specification. Without the correct paperwork in place, the CE marking becomes invalid. Yes - some know this, others still won’t accept it as fact.
Why dont they just amend the paperwork?
"I'm sure that they are addressing the problem. I got out of working for the pharma sector years ago. It required a huge papertrail, and tbis was a full time job by itself! And I was just a third tier supplier | |||
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"As I posted days ago! The kits work. The manufacturing paperwork isn't upto to the correct specification. Without the correct paperwork in place, the CE marking becomes invalid. Yes - some know this, others still won’t accept it as fact.
Why dont they just amend the paperwork?
I'm sure that they are addressing the problem.
I got out of working for the pharma sector years ago. It required a huge papertrail, and tbis was a full time job by itself! And I was just a third tier supplier "It seems a bit odd to recall all the kit just cos the wrong paperwork had been issued Why not put a hold on it and issue the right paper work? | |||
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"As I posted days ago! The kits work. The manufacturing paperwork isn't upto to the correct specification. Without the correct paperwork in place, the CE marking becomes invalid. Yes - some know this, others still won’t accept it as fact.
Why dont they just amend the paperwork?
I'm sure that they are addressing the problem.
I got out of working for the pharma sector years ago. It required a huge papertrail, and tbis was a full time job by itself! And I was just a third tier supplier
It seems a bit odd to recall all the kit just cos the wrong paperwork had been issued
Why not put a hold on it and issue the right paper work?"If you read around the situation it’s quite interesting, and gives some insight into what is needed to ensure stuff that is used in society is safe and has a watertight certification audit trail. The point about paperwork is simply that one of the component parts (the swab part I think) didn’t have a correct CE certificate - what this means is the material supplier/manufacturer of the swab can’t show that it has passed the required testing standard (whatever BS or EN number(s) that is ) - the testing standard might be a whole combination of things such as the source of the material, the point at which the swab breaks etc... The rest of the kit could be totally 100% ok (all the other parts have their CE tests/certificates) but because this one swab part doesn’t have the necessary certificate it means the kit as a whole doesn’t meet standard. When the kit was originally withdrawn by HMG it was because at that point Randox we’re seeking the certification from the swab supplier . Time has passed and the supplier hasn’t provided the correct certificate and so in that situation, Randox (not HMG) have recalled them. Not sure what will happen with the recalled kits - if the swab part will be swapped out for a new certified swab or, as the kit has been out in circulation if they all have to be destroyed. | |||
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"From the Gov website - as latest update Randox COVID-19 Home Testing Kit with the Catalogue Number: EV4429 from NHS Test and Trace testing settings. This decision has been taken as a precautionary measure to prevent any further use of these Randox tests. Anyone who is in possession of this Randox test kit should follow the below instructions on how to return kits to Randox. Action to be taken: discontinue use of and quarantine any stock of the Randox COVID-19 Home Testing Kit immediately follow the instructions listed below to ensure the return of any stock of the Randox COVID-19 Home Testing Kit to Randox Laboratories Limited: Fact" Reading your own post it does not say the kits did not work.! Lol | |||
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