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"Very quiet thread. Some people prefer ranting ten times a day about the £3 they pay for the BBC every week rather than commenting on the fake democracy they live. Sheep will be sheep! Viva el Murdoch! " Like I said before. Dont get too many Tories complaining about sky. | |||
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"He’s bought every election in the last 30 years. Thatcher gave him the power to own multiple newspapers by changing the law. That was a big step in destroying real democracy in this country. Blair sold out to him too. Even his own son James has had enough of fighting him and resigned recently. " Which law did MT change to enable RM to buy privately owned nespapers? | |||
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"He’s bought every election in the last 30 years. Thatcher gave him the power to own multiple newspapers by changing mm. That was a big step in destroying real democracy in this country. Blair sold out to him too. Even his own son James has had enough of fighting him and resigned recently. Which law did MT change to enable RM to buy privately owned nespapers? " Papers released under the thirty year rule clearly show Bernard Ingham, John Nott and Mrs Thatcher colluded to bypass their monopolies commission and allow Murdoch also to bypass the good character requirement for owning a newspaper . Other bids were discounted at a meeting behind closed doors between Murdoch and Thatcher. Basically it was cheating and they were never held to account . So that was the start of deregulating the press and we have been lied to ever since by that press born for the tories and labour . Disgusting and totally against democracy . | |||
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"He’s bought every election in the last 30 years. Thatcher gave him the power to own multiple newspapers by changing mm. That was a big step in destroying real democracy in this country. Blair sold out to him too. Even his own son James has had enough of fighting him and resigned recently. Which law did MT change to enable RM to buy privately owned nespapers? Papers released under the thirty year rule clearly show Bernard Ingham, John Nott and Mrs Thatcher colluded to bypass their monopolies commission and allow Murdoch also to bypass the good character requirement for owning a newspaper . Other bids were discounted at a meeting behind closed doors between Murdoch and Thatcher. Basically it was cheating and they were never held to account . So that was the start of deregulating the press and we have been lied to ever since by that press born for the tories and labour . Disgusting and totally against democracy . " Good old british democracy Thank God we aren't rife with corruption like Jonny foreigner. | |||
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"Very quiet thread. Some people prefer ranting ten times a day about the £3 they pay for the BBC every week rather than commenting on the fake democracy they live. Sheep will be sheep! Viva el Murdoch! " Sad thread,he controls the press of the western world people like Murdock are bigger than governments he is not the only.Governments are just administrators in many ways | |||
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"He’s bought every election in the last 30 years. Thatcher gave him the power to own multiple newspapers by changing mm. That was a big step in destroying real democracy in this country. Blair sold out to him too. Even his own son James has had enough of fighting him and resigned recently. Which law did MT change to enable RM to buy privately owned nespapers? Papers released under the thirty year rule clearly show Bernard Ingham, John Nott and Mrs Thatcher colluded to bypass their monopolies commission and allow Murdoch also to bypass the good character requirement for owning a newspaper . Other bids were discounted at a meeting behind closed doors between Murdoch and Thatcher. Basically it was cheating and they were never held to account . So that was the start of deregulating the press and we have been lied to ever since by that press born for the tories and labour . Disgusting and totally against democracy . " Correction - “both” not “born“ tories and labour | |||
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"Weakening the civil service will only help those in power to hide their corruption and subterfuge. I’m beginning to think I won’t vote anymore as every time I do the government gets in and then screws everything up for us all!! " Continue to vote Stop buying from the likes of sky the times the sun etc. 9r any other companies that have an in with some So called politician . Make there buisness worthless. Theyll soon F*ck off somewhere else. | |||
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"He’s bought every election in the last 30 years. Thatcher gave him the power to own multiple newspapers by changing mm. That was a big step in destroying real democracy in this country. Blair sold out to him too. Even his own son James has had enough of fighting him and resigned recently. Which law did MT change to enable RM to buy privately owned nespapers? Papers released under the thirty year rule clearly show Bernard Ingham, John Nott and Mrs Thatcher colluded to bypass their monopolies commission and allow Murdoch also to bypass the good character requirement for owning a newspaper . Other bids were discounted at a meeting behind closed doors between Murdoch and Thatcher. Basically it was cheating and they were never held to account . So that was the start of deregulating the press and we have been lied to ever since by that press born for the tories and labour . Disgusting and totally against democracy . " Thats not the same as changing the law to enable RM to buy the other two newspapers though! And Prime Ministers don't change Laws, thats the job of Parliament. | |||
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"He’s bought every election in the last 30 years. Thatcher gave him the power to own multiple newspapers by changing mm. That was a big step in destroying real democracy in this country. Blair sold out to him too. Even his own son James has had enough of fighting him and resigned recently. Which law did MT change to enable RM to buy privately owned nespapers? Papers released under the thirty year rule clearly show Bernard Ingham, John Nott and Mrs Thatcher colluded to bypass their monopolies commission and allow Murdoch also to bypass the good character requirement for owning a newspaper . Other bids were discounted at a meeting behind closed doors between Murdoch and Thatcher. Basically it was cheating and they were never held to account . So that was the start of deregulating the press and we have been lied to ever since by that press born for the tories and labour . Disgusting and totally against democracy . Thats not the same as changing the law to enable RM to buy the other two newspapers though! And Prime Ministers don't change Laws, thats the job of Parliament. " That’s absolutely right and forgive me for not remembering the actual details from 35 years ago. However if the monopolies commission make a ruling most reasonable and upstanding MP’s business men and companies would take that as fact and abide by that ruling. Mrs Thatcher removed the owning of newspapers from the oversight of the monopolies commission for the benefit of a supporter. This was the start of a bias news industry. That’s disgraceful behaviour and has no defence. | |||
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"He’s bought every election in the last 30 years. Thatcher gave him the power to own multiple newspapers by changing mm. That was a big step in destroying real democracy in this country. Blair sold out to him too. Even his own son James has had enough of fighting him and resigned recently. Which law did MT change to enable RM to buy privately owned nespapers? Papers released under the thirty year rule clearly show Bernard Ingham, John Nott and Mrs Thatcher colluded to bypass their monopolies commission and allow Murdoch also to bypass the good character requirement for owning a newspaper . Other bids were discounted at a meeting behind closed doors between Murdoch and Thatcher. Basically it was cheating and they were never held to account . So that was the start of deregulating the press and we have been lied to ever since by that press born for the tories and labour . Disgusting and totally against democracy . Thats not the same as changing the law to enable RM to buy the other two newspapers though! And Prime Ministers don't change Laws, thats the job of Parliament. That’s absolutely right and forgive me for not remembering the actual details from 35 years ago. However if the monopolies commission make a ruling most reasonable and upstanding MP’s business men and companies would take that as fact and abide by that ruling. Mrs Thatcher removed the owning of newspapers from the oversight of the monopolies commission for the benefit of a supporter. This was the start of a bias news industry. That’s disgraceful behaviour and has no defence. " The deal to sell The Times and the Sunday Times, from the Thomson group to Murdoch, was never referred to the MMC. The deal was signed off by Trade Minister, John Biffen. This was done on the understanding, that if it didn't go through, both papers would have closed. Murdoch also used leverage in stating that, if the MMC got involved, he would pull out of the deal. Thatcher saw Murdoch as a useful tool, in breaking up the highly unionised and restrictive practice media industry, as was. | |||
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"He’s bought every election in the last 30 years. Thatcher gave him the power to own multiple newspapers by changing mm. That was a big step in destroying real democracy in this country. Blair sold out to him too. Even his own son James has had enough of fighting him and resigned recently. Which law did MT change to enable RM to buy privately owned nespapers? Papers released under the thirty year rule clearly show Bernard Ingham, John Nott and Mrs Thatcher colluded to bypass their monopolies commission and allow Murdoch also to bypass the good character requirement for owning a newspaper . Other bids were discounted at a meeting behind closed doors between Murdoch and Thatcher. Basically it was cheating and they were never held to account . So that was the start of deregulating the press and we have been lied to ever since by that press born for the tories and labour . Disgusting and totally against democracy . Thats not the same as changing the law to enable RM to buy the other two newspapers though! And Prime Ministers don't change Laws, thats the job of Parliament. That’s absolutely right and forgive me for not remembering the actual details from 35 years ago. However if the monopolies commission make a ruling most reasonable and upstanding MP’s business men and companies would take that as fact and abide by that ruling. Mrs Thatcher removed the owning of newspapers from the oversight of the monopolies commission for the benefit of a supporter. This was the start of a bias news industry. That’s disgraceful behaviour and has no defence. The deal to sell The Times and the Sunday Times, from the Thomson group to Murdoch, was never referred to the MMC. The deal was signed off by Trade Minister, John Biffen. This was done on the understanding, that if it didn't go through, both papers would have closed. Murdoch also used leverage in stating that, if the MMC got involved, he would pull out of the deal. Thatcher saw Murdoch as a useful tool, in breaking up the highly unionised and restrictive practice media industry, as was. " Yes that’s right and John Biffen would have never done that off his own back If it was referred to the MMC it might have been a different story. Murdoch was allegedly considered not the best character to own newspapers in this country which shows it was stopped. I agree the trade practices where abhorrent and MrsThatcher needed to do something to fix the sick man of Europe which is who we were. The miners wielded too much political power as did the dockers. I remember being forced to hand over cash to get cargoes loaded. I did very nicely out of that boom period and my businesses developed rapidly but in hindsight she went too far towards the financial and general service economy but devastated manufacturing. It needed modernising and sorting out not obliterating. | |||
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"Am I right in thinking the Thompson family insisted the paper was always independent editorial wise? The unions stifled the business to the point where the family had had enough. Selling it to Murdoch cancelled the independent thinking of the Sun and the times. It became a mouthpiece for Murdoch’s agenda. " Roy Thomson, who owned the Times, was a Canadian, so not into the party politcal nonsense so much. It does stand to reason that the established "press barons" would push their own agendas. Most had established money anyway. Things changed in the 1980s, where new money was the order of the day. Murdoch was no different in this, it just helped that the trades unions were being put back in their box. | |||
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"If anybody hasn't seen the series about Murdoch, it might be worth watching." I think this is what this thread is about | |||
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"If anybody hasn't seen the series about Murdoch, it might be worth watching. I think this is what this thread is about " Always nice when a thread comes vaguely back on topic, isn't it? | |||
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"Apparently Farage was fawning over Murdoch on that doc. " There was a v telling snippet. Farage said on camera he'd asked Murdoch if it was ok to do the doc before agreeing to be involved. | |||
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"Apparently Farage was fawning over Murdoch on that doc. There was a v telling snippet. Farage said on camera he'd asked Murdoch if it was ok to do the doc before agreeing to be involved." he'd snivelingly groveled & asked Murdoch . Sorry I thought id correct the sensory scene a bit more realistically . | |||
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"Apparently Farage was fawning over Murdoch on that doc. There was a v telling snippet. Farage said on camera he'd asked Murdoch if it was ok to do the doc before agreeing to be involved. he'd snivelingly groveled & asked Murdoch . Sorry I thought id correct the sensory scene a bit more realistically ." Po-tay-to po-tah-to  | |||
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"Apparently Farage was fawning over Murdoch on that doc. There was a v telling snippet. Farage said on camera he'd asked Murdoch if it was ok to do the doc before agreeing to be involved." Fucking reptile | |||
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"Apparently Farage was fawning over Murdoch on that doc. There was a v telling snippet. Farage said on camera he'd asked Murdoch if it was ok to do the doc before agreeing to be involved. he'd snivelingly groveled & asked Murdoch . Sorry I thought id correct the sensory scene a bit more realistically . Po-tay-to po-tah-to "Again I'll correct it ROTTEN PO-TAY-TO PO-TAH-TO  | |||
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"Apparently Farage was fawning over Murdoch on that doc. There was a v telling snippet. Farage said on camera he'd asked Murdoch if it was ok to do the doc before agreeing to be involved. Fucking reptile " You missed the S off of Reptile It stands for SNAKE | |||
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"The documentary really highlighted how much influence Murdoch has in the UK and USA. Prime Ministers have been elected because of him. Trump was elected because of him too. We were kept out of the Euro because of him. Brexit happened because of him. He drove us to war in Iraq. And all this from one man who isn't even a politician." I thought it was Gordon brown who stopped us adopting the euro?, either way personally I am glad we didn't so whoever it was thank you  | |||
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"The documentary really highlighted how much influence Murdoch has in the UK and USA. Prime Ministers have been elected because of him. Trump was elected because of him too. We were kept out of the Euro because of him. Brexit happened because of him. He drove us to war in Iraq. And all this from one man who isn't even a politician. I thought it was Gordon brown who stopped us adopting the euro?, either way personally I am glad we didn't so whoever it was thank you "You could watch the show if you wanted. Just a thought. | |||
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"The documentary really highlighted how much influence Murdoch has in the UK and USA. Prime Ministers have been elected because of him. Trump was elected because of him too. We were kept out of the Euro because of him. Brexit happened because of him. He drove us to war in Iraq. And all this from one man who isn't even a politician. I thought it was Gordon brown who stopped us adopting the euro?, either way personally I am glad we didn't so whoever it was thank you
You could watch the show if you wanted. Just a thought."I may do if I get chance but am a bit too busy at the min to be honest, I just thought it was Gordon and his 5 economic tests that he set that had been instrumental in us not adopting the euro and not murdoch | |||
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"The documentary really highlighted how much influence Murdoch has in the UK and USA. Prime Ministers have been elected because of him. Trump was elected because of him too. We were kept out of the Euro because of him. Brexit happened because of him. He drove us to war in Iraq. And all this from one man who isn't even a politician. I thought it was Gordon brown who stopped us adopting the euro?, either way personally I am glad we didn't so whoever it was thank you
You could watch the show if you wanted. Just a thought.I may do if I get chance but am a bit too busy at the min to be honest, I just thought it was Gordon and his 5 economic tests that he set that had been instrumental in us not adopting the euro and not murdoch"It seems Murdoch meddled to keep us out of the Euro. Just as he meddled to get us out of the EU. Murdoch wanted us out of the EU because he has little influence over them. | |||
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" I thought it was Gordon brown who stopped us adopting the euro?, either way personally I am glad we didn't so whoever it was thank you "Thought it was Gordon Brown . | |||
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" I thought it was Gordon brown who stopped us adopting the euro?, either way personally I am glad we didn't so whoever it was thank you
Thought it was Gordon Brown .
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"The fella that covered Murdoch with shaving foam at the committee meeting should have been knighted. Strangely, he wasn't. How 'Spitting Image' used to portray Murdoch was First-rate! "I am looking forward to Spitting Image coming back. | |||
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" I thought it was Gordon brown who stopped us adopting the euro?, either way personally I am glad we didn't so whoever it was thank you
Thought it was Gordon Brown .
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"Watch Succession on Sky Atlantic it’s a very thinly veiled take on the Murdoch Empire. Very good programme. " Its quality. | |||
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" I thought it was Gordon brown who stopped us adopting the euro?, either way personally I am glad we didn't so whoever it was thank you
Thought it was Gordon Brown .
whats so funny exactly?"The Euro came into existence on 1 January 1999, although it had been a goal of the European Union (EU) and its predecessors since the 1960s. After tough negotiations, particularly due to opposition from the United Kingdom, the Maastricht Treaty entered into force in 1993 with the goal of creating an economic and monetary union by 1999 for all EU states except the UK and Denmark (even though Denmark has a fixed exchange rate policy with the euro). It had been a long term goal of the EU ( EEC ). Brown would have been a child when it was 1st mooted | |||
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" I thought it was Gordon brown who stopped us adopting the euro?, either way personally I am glad we didn't so whoever it was thank you
Thought it was Gordon Brown .
whats so funny exactly?
The Euro came into existence on 1 January 1999, although it had been a goal of the European Union (EU) and its predecessors since the 1960s. After tough negotiations, particularly due to opposition from the United Kingdom, the Maastricht Treaty entered into force in 1993 with the goal of creating an economic and monetary union by 1999 for all EU states except the UK and Denmark (even though Denmark has a fixed exchange rate policy with the euro).
It had been a long term goal of the EU ( EEC ).
Brown would have been a child when it was 1st mooted "yeah I get that but at the time the UK was deliberating over whether to adopt the euro or stay with the pound he was in charge of the treasury and his five economic tests that he set for the UK to adopt the euro were seen as unachievable and set that way on purpose so that we would not adopt the currency and the UK could still maintain control over its interest rates etc. | |||
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" I thought it was Gordon brown who stopped us adopting the euro?, either way personally I am glad we didn't so whoever it was thank you
Thought it was Gordon Brown .
whats so funny exactly?
The Euro came into existence on 1 January 1999, although it had been a goal of the European Union (EU) and its predecessors since the 1960s. After tough negotiations, particularly due to opposition from the United Kingdom, the Maastricht Treaty entered into force in 1993 with the goal of creating an economic and monetary union by 1999 for all EU states except the UK and Denmark (even though Denmark has a fixed exchange rate policy with the euro).
It had been a long term goal of the EU ( EEC ).
Brown would have been a child when it was 1st mooted yeah I get that but at the time the UK was deliberating over whether to adopt the euro or stay with the pound he was in charge of the treasury and his five economic tests that he set for the UK to adopt the euro were seen as unachievable and set that way on purpose so that we would not adopt the currency and the UK could still maintain control over its interest rates etc."Much more important supposedly was this reason & not 5ET "Other Reasons for Not Adopting the Euro The British government has not wanted to abdicate control of its own interest rate policy, which would occur under the euro system.The system would also remove the current level of comfort with the pound sterling exchange rate. For instance, a British firm or investor who is used to exchanging pounds to dollars or vice versa would be forced to adjust to a euro exchange rate ". Much more to do with people within the uk not wanting to do A little to much with regards to Exchange rates. ?? | |||
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