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""Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice – stability and strong government with me, or chaos with Ed Miliband." David Cameron, May 2015 " . Followed by the strong and stable choice or the coalition of chaos ,,( promised before the Tory / dup alliance ) in 2017 | |||
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"Miliband was an awful leader tbf" . So was Cameron | |||
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"Miliband was an awful leader tbf" Better than Corbyn tbf | |||
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"Miliband was an awful leader tbf Better than Corbyn tbf " Well he got less votes so no..not really. | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. " Your point? | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point?" More a quote than a point but if you prefer you could say one leader was worse than the other but they all had the same outcome - they lost. | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point? More a quote than a point but if you prefer you could say one leader was worse than the other but they all had the same outcome - they lost. " We know that. Still don't really see your point Tm won an election and was possibly the most ineffectual pm of recent years. Bj has won 1 and if I was a betting man I'd say he will be the most inept pm we have ever had. | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point?" Corbyn increased Party membership and did far better than he was expected to have done in the election previous to the one last year. And this he did against an unrelenting and savage cross-media campaign to disparage and discredit him - a campaign the like of which we had not seen since the Michael Foot days in the early 80's. Blairs government 'hit the ground running'(as the saying went at the time) but within 18 months most of their laudable manifesto policies had suffered u-turns, and then, supposedly Socialist, they lied and manipulated our nation into an illegal war which cost the lives of 100,000s.I know who i would rather sit in a pub with. Milliband of course is Jewish - that fact rather makes a mockery of the claims that the Labour movement is anti-semitic really in my view - you know,when the party leader himself is Jewish! Another media stick Corbyn was beaten with.Corbyn made the mistake in being manouvered by a conference vote into agreeing to hold a second referendum (the vote, a show of hands, was very flawed indeed- watch it again yourselves). Had it not been for this perceived abandonment of respecting the 2016 referendum result by 'leave' Labour voters, the 'Red Wall' would never have fallen to the Tories. Corbyn was the best leader of the party since John Smith and was undermined by an absolute rabble of a parliamentary party. | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point? Corbyn increased Party membership and did far better than he was expected to have done in the election previous to the one last year. And this he did against an unrelenting and savage cross-media campaign to disparage and discredit him - a campaign the like of which we had not seen since the Michael Foot days in the early 80's. Blairs government 'hit the ground running'(as the saying went at the time) but within 18 months most of their laudable manifesto policies had suffered u-turns, and then, supposedly Socialist, they lied and manipulated our nation into an illegal war which cost the lives of 100,000s.I know who i would rather sit in a pub with. Milliband of course is Jewish - that fact rather makes a mockery of the claims that the Labour movement is anti-semitic really in my view - you know,when the party leader himself is Jewish! Another media stick Corbyn was beaten with.Corbyn made the mistake in being manouvered by a conference vote into agreeing to hold a second referendum (the vote, a show of hands, was very flawed indeed- watch it again yourselves). Had it not been for this perceived abandonment of respecting the 2016 referendum result by 'leave' Labour voters, the 'Red Wall' would never have fallen to the Tories. Corbyn was the best leader of the party since John Smith and was undermined by an absolute rabble of a parliamentary party. " You are going to be popular on here  | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point? More a quote than a point but if you prefer you could say one leader was worse than the other but they all had the same outcome - they lost. We know that. Still don't really see your point Tm won an election and was possibly the most ineffectual pm of recent years. Bj has won 1 and if I was a betting man I'd say he will be the most inept pm we have ever had." As said before it was a statement of fact. Of course some Labour leaders are better than others but none since Blair have been good enough. Different scales of defeat is still is defeat. | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point? More a quote than a point but if you prefer you could say one leader was worse than the other but they all had the same outcome - they lost. We know that. Still don't really see your point Tm won an election and was possibly the most ineffectual pm of recent years. Bj has won 1 and if I was a betting man I'd say he will be the most inept pm we have ever had. As said before it was a statement of fact. Of course some Labour leaders are better than others but none since Blair have been good enough. Different scales of defeat is still is defeat. " Depends on your defeniton of good enough. Electorally he was very successful. Yet his reputation in labour circles isnt the best. | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point? Corbyn increased Party membership and did far better than he was expected to have done in the election previous to the one last year. And this he did against an unrelenting and savage cross-media campaign to disparage and discredit him - a campaign the like of which we had not seen since the Michael Foot days in the early 80's. Blairs government 'hit the ground running'(as the saying went at the time) but within 18 months most of their laudable manifesto policies had suffered u-turns, and then, supposedly Socialist, they lied and manipulated our nation into an illegal war which cost the lives of 100,000s.I know who i would rather sit in a pub with. Milliband of course is Jewish - that fact rather makes a mockery of the claims that the Labour movement is anti-semitic really in my view - you know,when the party leader himself is Jewish! Another media stick Corbyn was beaten with.Corbyn made the mistake in being manouvered by a conference vote into agreeing to hold a second referendum (the vote, a show of hands, was very flawed indeed- watch it again yourselves). Had it not been for this perceived abandonment of respecting the 2016 referendum result by 'leave' Labour voters, the 'Red Wall' would never have fallen to the Tories. Corbyn was the best leader of the party since John Smith and was undermined by an absolute rabble of a parliamentary party. " Best laugh of the day really really fun,if he was the best how come he has proved so unpopular.Liked by a few old time communist he was so simple minded it unbelievable he could become a party leader. 80 seat Boris majority proves my point.People voted for Boris even though they did not like him as they knew how bad Corbyn was. | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point? Corbyn increased Party membership and did far better than he was expected to have done in the election previous to the one last year. And this he did against an unrelenting and savage cross-media campaign to disparage and discredit him - a campaign the like of which we had not seen since the Michael Foot days in the early 80's. Blairs government 'hit the ground running'(as the saying went at the time) but within 18 months most of their laudable manifesto policies had suffered u-turns, and then, supposedly Socialist, they lied and manipulated our nation into an illegal war which cost the lives of 100,000s.I know who i would rather sit in a pub with. Milliband of course is Jewish - that fact rather makes a mockery of the claims that the Labour movement is anti-semitic really in my view - you know,when the party leader himself is Jewish! Another media stick Corbyn was beaten with.Corbyn made the mistake in being manouvered by a conference vote into agreeing to hold a second referendum (the vote, a show of hands, was very flawed indeed- watch it again yourselves). Had it not been for this perceived abandonment of respecting the 2016 referendum result by 'leave' Labour voters, the 'Red Wall' would never have fallen to the Tories. Corbyn was the best leader of the party since John Smith and was undermined by an absolute rabble of a parliamentary party. Best laugh of the day really really fun,if he was the best how come he has proved so unpopular.Liked by a few old time communist he was so simple minded it unbelievable he could become a party leader. 80 seat Boris majority proves my point.People voted for Boris even though they did not like him as they knew how bad Corbyn was." Brexit. | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point? More a quote than a point but if you prefer you could say one leader was worse than the other but they all had the same outcome - they lost. We know that. Still don't really see your point Tm won an election and was possibly the most ineffectual pm of recent years. Bj has won 1 and if I was a betting man I'd say he will be the most inept pm we have ever had. As said before it was a statement of fact. Of course some Labour leaders are better than others but none since Blair have been good enough. Different scales of defeat is still is defeat. Depends on your defeniton of good enough. Electorally he was very successful. Yet his reputation in labour circles isnt the best." Mine would be winning a GE. He played 2 and lost 2. Milliband lost and so did Brown so none have been successful since Blair | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point? More a quote than a point but if you prefer you could say one leader was worse than the other but they all had the same outcome - they lost. We know that. Still don't really see your point Tm won an election and was possibly the most ineffectual pm of recent years. Bj has won 1 and if I was a betting man I'd say he will be the most inept pm we have ever had. As said before it was a statement of fact. Of course some Labour leaders are better than others but none since Blair have been good enough. Different scales of defeat is still is defeat. Depends on your defeniton of good enough. Electorally he was very successful. Yet his reputation in labour circles isnt the best. Mine would be winning a GE. He played 2 and lost 2. Milliband lost and so did Brown so none have been successful since Blair " Blair was extremely successful at the polls. He was charismatic,popular and appealed to middle England. He also got involved in an illegal war where thousands of people died. He took the north and Scotland for granted and lost generations of voters which labour are paying for now. | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point? More a quote than a point but if you prefer you could say one leader was worse than the other but they all had the same outcome - they lost. We know that. Still don't really see your point Tm won an election and was possibly the most ineffectual pm of recent years. Bj has won 1 and if I was a betting man I'd say he will be the most inept pm we have ever had. As said before it was a statement of fact. Of course some Labour leaders are better than others but none since Blair have been good enough. Different scales of defeat is still is defeat. Depends on your defeniton of good enough. Electorally he was very successful. Yet his reputation in labour circles isnt the best. Mine would be winning a GE. He played 2 and lost 2. Milliband lost and so did Brown so none have been successful since Blair Blair was extremely successful at the polls. He was charismatic,popular and appealed to middle England. He also got involved in an illegal war where thousands of people died. He took the north and Scotland for granted and lost generations of voters which labour are paying for now." Yep the war was his downfall for sure but since him every new leader has lost every GE. Which is why my original post said corbyn, Miliband and Brown have all one thing in common- they lost | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point? More a quote than a point but if you prefer you could say one leader was worse than the other but they all had the same outcome - they lost. We know that. Still don't really see your point Tm won an election and was possibly the most ineffectual pm of recent years. Bj has won 1 and if I was a betting man I'd say he will be the most inept pm we have ever had. As said before it was a statement of fact. Of course some Labour leaders are better than others but none since Blair have been good enough. Different scales of defeat is still is defeat. Depends on your defeniton of good enough. Electorally he was very successful. Yet his reputation in labour circles isnt the best. Mine would be winning a GE. He played 2 and lost 2. Milliband lost and so did Brown so none have been successful since Blair Blair was extremely successful at the polls. He was charismatic,popular and appealed to middle England. He also got involved in an illegal war where thousands of people died. He took the north and Scotland for granted and lost generations of voters which labour are paying for now. Yep the war was his downfall for sure but since him every new leader has lost every GE. Which is why my original post said corbyn, Miliband and Brown have all one thing in common- they lost" We live in a conservative country. The press are overwhelmingly right wing. Anyone remotely left wing is utterly anhiliated. | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point? More a quote than a point but if you prefer you could say one leader was worse than the other but they all had the same outcome - they lost. We know that. Still don't really see your point Tm won an election and was possibly the most ineffectual pm of recent years. Bj has won 1 and if I was a betting man I'd say he will be the most inept pm we have ever had. As said before it was a statement of fact. Of course some Labour leaders are better than others but none since Blair have been good enough. Different scales of defeat is still is defeat. Depends on your defeniton of good enough. Electorally he was very successful. Yet his reputation in labour circles isnt the best. Mine would be winning a GE. He played 2 and lost 2. Milliband lost and so did Brown so none have been successful since Blair Blair was extremely successful at the polls. He was charismatic,popular and appealed to middle England. He also got involved in an illegal war where thousands of people died. He took the north and Scotland for granted and lost generations of voters which labour are paying for now. Yep the war was his downfall for sure but since him every new leader has lost every GE. Which is why my original post said corbyn, Miliband and Brown have all one thing in common- they lost We live in a conservative country. The press are overwhelmingly right wing. Anyone remotely left wing is utterly anhiliated. " The facts I mentioned are just that-facts. We have had Labour governments before so it's possible as Blair demonstrated. Since then it's just been defeat after defeat | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point? More a quote than a point but if you prefer you could say one leader was worse than the other but they all had the same outcome - they lost. We know that. Still don't really see your point Tm won an election and was possibly the most ineffectual pm of recent years. Bj has won 1 and if I was a betting man I'd say he will be the most inept pm we have ever had. As said before it was a statement of fact. Of course some Labour leaders are better than others but none since Blair have been good enough. Different scales of defeat is still is defeat. Depends on your defeniton of good enough. Electorally he was very successful. Yet his reputation in labour circles isnt the best. Mine would be winning a GE. He played 2 and lost 2. Milliband lost and so did Brown so none have been successful since Blair Blair was extremely successful at the polls. He was charismatic,popular and appealed to middle England. He also got involved in an illegal war where thousands of people died. He took the north and Scotland for granted and lost generations of voters which labour are paying for now. Yep the war was his downfall for sure but since him every new leader has lost every GE. Which is why my original post said corbyn, Miliband and Brown have all one thing in common- they lost We live in a conservative country. The press are overwhelmingly right wing. Anyone remotely left wing is utterly anhiliated. The facts I mentioned are just that-facts. We have had Labour governments before so it's possible as Blair demonstrated. Since then it's just been defeat after defeat" And things change, just because something happened in 1979 doesn't mean it will happen again. By the late 80's and early 90's the Sun was kingmaker in UK politics, after Murdoch met and gave his approval to Blair, the Sun turned on John Major and backed Blair. The Tories tried William Hague, Ian Duncan Smith and Michael Howard but they all lacked credibility as PM material. Did you know that the Conservatives made approaches to Blair in his first term to see if he would consider joining them. They thought he was a natural Tory and was playing for the wrong team. | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point? More a quote than a point but if you prefer you could say one leader was worse than the other but they all had the same outcome - they lost. We know that. Still don't really see your point Tm won an election and was possibly the most ineffectual pm of recent years. Bj has won 1 and if I was a betting man I'd say he will be the most inept pm we have ever had. As said before it was a statement of fact. Of course some Labour leaders are better than others but none since Blair have been good enough. Different scales of defeat is still is defeat. Depends on your defeniton of good enough. Electorally he was very successful. Yet his reputation in labour circles isnt the best. Mine would be winning a GE. He played 2 and lost 2. Milliband lost and so did Brown so none have been successful since Blair Blair was extremely successful at the polls. He was charismatic,popular and appealed to middle England. He also got involved in an illegal war where thousands of people died. He took the north and Scotland for granted and lost generations of voters which labour are paying for now. Yep the war was his downfall for sure but since him every new leader has lost every GE. Which is why my original post said corbyn, Miliband and Brown have all one thing in common- they lost We live in a conservative country. The press are overwhelmingly right wing. Anyone remotely left wing is utterly anhiliated. The facts I mentioned are just that-facts. We have had Labour governments before so it's possible as Blair demonstrated. Since then it's just been defeat after defeat And things change, just because something happened in 1979 doesn't mean it will happen again. By the late 80's and early 90's the Sun was kingmaker in UK politics, after Murdoch met and gave his approval to Blair, the Sun turned on John Major and backed Blair. The Tories tried William Hague, Ian Duncan Smith and Michael Howard but they all lacked credibility as PM material. Did you know that the Conservatives made approaches to Blair in his first term to see if he would consider joining them. They thought he was a natural Tory and was playing for the wrong team." They probably had a point tbf | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point? More a quote than a point but if you prefer you could say one leader was worse than the other but they all had the same outcome - they lost. We know that. Still don't really see your point Tm won an election and was possibly the most ineffectual pm of recent years. Bj has won 1 and if I was a betting man I'd say he will be the most inept pm we have ever had. As said before it was a statement of fact. Of course some Labour leaders are better than others but none since Blair have been good enough. Different scales of defeat is still is defeat. Depends on your defeniton of good enough. Electorally he was very successful. Yet his reputation in labour circles isnt the best. Mine would be winning a GE. He played 2 and lost 2. Milliband lost and so did Brown so none have been successful since Blair Blair was extremely successful at the polls. He was charismatic,popular and appealed to middle England. He also got involved in an illegal war where thousands of people died. He took the north and Scotland for granted and lost generations of voters which labour are paying for now. Yep the war was his downfall for sure but since him every new leader has lost every GE. Which is why my original post said corbyn, Miliband and Brown have all one thing in common- they lost We live in a conservative country. The press are overwhelmingly right wing. Anyone remotely left wing is utterly anhiliated. " I agree the right wing press gave him no chance but as a statesman he was shocking. Scruffy Michael Foot like and calling to nationalise stuff just turned everyone off, He spoke a lot of truth and sense but went too far with his left wing rhetoric. Regarding the press Tony Blair sold out to Murdoch and with his backing won him the election We are dumbing down year on year. The Sun newspaper along with the mail are full of shit! but stupid people buy the crap they spout! Education needs sorting!! | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point? More a quote than a point but if you prefer you could say one leader was worse than the other but they all had the same outcome - they lost. We know that. Still don't really see your point Tm won an election and was possibly the most ineffectual pm of recent years. Bj has won 1 and if I was a betting man I'd say he will be the most inept pm we have ever had. As said before it was a statement of fact. Of course some Labour leaders are better than others but none since Blair have been good enough. Different scales of defeat is still is defeat. Depends on your defeniton of good enough. Electorally he was very successful. Yet his reputation in labour circles isnt the best. Mine would be winning a GE. He played 2 and lost 2. Milliband lost and so did Brown so none have been successful since Blair Blair was extremely successful at the polls. He was charismatic,popular and appealed to middle England. He also got involved in an illegal war where thousands of people died. He took the north and Scotland for granted and lost generations of voters which labour are paying for now. Yep the war was his downfall for sure but since him every new leader has lost every GE. Which is why my original post said corbyn, Miliband and Brown have all one thing in common- they lost We live in a conservative country. The press are overwhelmingly right wing. Anyone remotely left wing is utterly anhiliated. The facts I mentioned are just that-facts. We have had Labour governments before so it's possible as Blair demonstrated. Since then it's just been defeat after defeat And things change, just because something happened in 1979 doesn't mean it will happen again. By the late 80's and early 90's the Sun was kingmaker in UK politics, after Murdoch met and gave his approval to Blair, the Sun turned on John Major and backed Blair. The Tories tried William Hague, Ian Duncan Smith and Michael Howard but they all lacked credibility as PM material. Did you know that the Conservatives made approaches to Blair in his first term to see if he would consider joining them. They thought he was a natural Tory and was playing for the wrong team. They probably had a point tbf" He was their last leader that made it to PM and done it 3 times. Since then it's all downhill. Lots of elections and even more excuses | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point? More a quote than a point but if you prefer you could say one leader was worse than the other but they all had the same outcome - they lost. We know that. Still don't really see your point Tm won an election and was possibly the most ineffectual pm of recent years. Bj has won 1 and if I was a betting man I'd say he will be the most inept pm we have ever had. As said before it was a statement of fact. Of course some Labour leaders are better than others but none since Blair have been good enough. Different scales of defeat is still is defeat. Depends on your defeniton of good enough. Electorally he was very successful. Yet his reputation in labour circles isnt the best. Mine would be winning a GE. He played 2 and lost 2. Milliband lost and so did Brown so none have been successful since Blair Blair was extremely successful at the polls. He was charismatic,popular and appealed to middle England. He also got involved in an illegal war where thousands of people died. He took the north and Scotland for granted and lost generations of voters which labour are paying for now. Yep the war was his downfall for sure but since him every new leader has lost every GE. Which is why my original post said corbyn, Miliband and Brown have all one thing in common- they lost We live in a conservative country. The press are overwhelmingly right wing. Anyone remotely left wing is utterly anhiliated. The facts I mentioned are just that-facts. We have had Labour governments before so it's possible as Blair demonstrated. Since then it's just been defeat after defeat And things change, just because something happened in 1979 doesn't mean it will happen again. By the late 80's and early 90's the Sun was kingmaker in UK politics, after Murdoch met and gave his approval to Blair, the Sun turned on John Major and backed Blair. The Tories tried William Hague, Ian Duncan Smith and Michael Howard but they all lacked credibility as PM material. Did you know that the Conservatives made approaches to Blair in his first term to see if he would consider joining them. They thought he was a natural Tory and was playing for the wrong team. They probably had a point tbf He was their last leader that made it to PM and done it 3 times. Since then it's all downhill. Lots of elections and even more excuses" We have had 1 left wing gmnt in 80 years. Apart from Blair's golden age the tories have been in power for the last 40 years. They were in power throughout the 50'upto the mid 60s. Then again in the early 70s. You seem to be implying labour failure at the election is a recent phenomenon. | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point? More a quote than a point but if you prefer you could say one leader was worse than the other but they all had the same outcome - they lost. We know that. Still don't really see your point Tm won an election and was possibly the most ineffectual pm of recent years. Bj has won 1 and if I was a betting man I'd say he will be the most inept pm we have ever had. As said before it was a statement of fact. Of course some Labour leaders are better than others but none since Blair have been good enough. Different scales of defeat is still is defeat. Depends on your defeniton of good enough. Electorally he was very successful. Yet his reputation in labour circles isnt the best. Mine would be winning a GE. He played 2 and lost 2. Milliband lost and so did Brown so none have been successful since Blair Blair was extremely successful at the polls. He was charismatic,popular and appealed to middle England. He also got involved in an illegal war where thousands of people died. He took the north and Scotland for granted and lost generations of voters which labour are paying for now. Yep the war was his downfall for sure but since him every new leader has lost every GE. Which is why my original post said corbyn, Miliband and Brown have all one thing in common- they lost We live in a conservative country. The press are overwhelmingly right wing. Anyone remotely left wing is utterly anhiliated. I agree the right wing press gave him no chance but as a statesman he was shocking. Scruffy Michael Foot like and calling to nationalise stuff just turned everyone off, He spoke a lot of truth and sense but went too far with his left wing rhetoric. Regarding the press Tony Blair sold out to Murdoch and with his backing won him the election We are dumbing down year on year. The Sun newspaper along with the mail are full of shit! but stupid people buy the crap they spout! Education needs sorting!! " Which of his policies were top left wing? Increasing minimum wage? | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point? More a quote than a point but if you prefer you could say one leader was worse than the other but they all had the same outcome - they lost. We know that. Still don't really see your point Tm won an election and was possibly the most ineffectual pm of recent years. Bj has won 1 and if I was a betting man I'd say he will be the most inept pm we have ever had. As said before it was a statement of fact. Of course some Labour leaders are better than others but none since Blair have been good enough. Different scales of defeat is still is defeat. Depends on your defeniton of good enough. Electorally he was very successful. Yet his reputation in labour circles isnt the best. Mine would be winning a GE. He played 2 and lost 2. Milliband lost and so did Brown so none have been successful since Blair Blair was extremely successful at the polls. He was charismatic,popular and appealed to middle England. He also got involved in an illegal war where thousands of people died. He took the north and Scotland for granted and lost generations of voters which labour are paying for now. Yep the war was his downfall for sure but since him every new leader has lost every GE. Which is why my original post said corbyn, Miliband and Brown have all one thing in common- they lost We live in a conservative country. The press are overwhelmingly right wing. Anyone remotely left wing is utterly anhiliated. The facts I mentioned are just that-facts. We have had Labour governments before so it's possible as Blair demonstrated. Since then it's just been defeat after defeat And things change, just because something happened in 1979 doesn't mean it will happen again. By the late 80's and early 90's the Sun was kingmaker in UK politics, after Murdoch met and gave his approval to Blair, the Sun turned on John Major and backed Blair. The Tories tried William Hague, Ian Duncan Smith and Michael Howard but they all lacked credibility as PM material. Did you know that the Conservatives made approaches to Blair in his first term to see if he would consider joining them. They thought he was a natural Tory and was playing for the wrong team. They probably had a point tbf He was their last leader that made it to PM and done it 3 times. Since then it's all downhill. Lots of elections and even more excuses" It's not exercuses. As exemplified above we live I a conservative country. That's a fact. | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point? More a quote than a point but if you prefer you could say one leader was worse than the other but they all had the same outcome - they lost. We know that. Still don't really see your point Tm won an election and was possibly the most ineffectual pm of recent years. Bj has won 1 and if I was a betting man I'd say he will be the most inept pm we have ever had. As said before it was a statement of fact. Of course some Labour leaders are better than others but none since Blair have been good enough. Different scales of defeat is still is defeat. Depends on your defeniton of good enough. Electorally he was very successful. Yet his reputation in labour circles isnt the best. Mine would be winning a GE. He played 2 and lost 2. Milliband lost and so did Brown so none have been successful since Blair Blair was extremely successful at the polls. He was charismatic,popular and appealed to middle England. He also got involved in an illegal war where thousands of people died. He took the north and Scotland for granted and lost generations of voters which labour are paying for now. Yep the war was his downfall for sure but since him every new leader has lost every GE. Which is why my original post said corbyn, Miliband and Brown have all one thing in common- they lost We live in a conservative country. The press are overwhelmingly right wing. Anyone remotely left wing is utterly anhiliated. The facts I mentioned are just that-facts. We have had Labour governments before so it's possible as Blair demonstrated. Since then it's just been defeat after defeat And things change, just because something happened in 1979 doesn't mean it will happen again. By the late 80's and early 90's the Sun was kingmaker in UK politics, after Murdoch met and gave his approval to Blair, the Sun turned on John Major and backed Blair. The Tories tried William Hague, Ian Duncan Smith and Michael Howard but they all lacked credibility as PM material. Did you know that the Conservatives made approaches to Blair in his first term to see if he would consider joining them. They thought he was a natural Tory and was playing for the wrong team. They probably had a point tbf He was their last leader that made it to PM and done it 3 times. Since then it's all downhill. Lots of elections and even more excuses We have had 1 left wing gmnt in 80 years. Apart from Blair's golden age the tories have been in power for the last 40 years. They were in power throughout the 50'upto the mid 60s. Then again in the early 70s. You seem to be implying labour failure at the election is a recent phenomenon. " Why do you think I'm implying that?. I'm just stating the facts. | |||
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"Corbyn, milliband and Brown the last 3 Labour leaders have all had the same result - they lost. Blair was the last Labour leader to gain the support and vote of the UK. Your point? More a quote than a point but if you prefer you could say one leader was worse than the other but they all had the same outcome - they lost. We know that. Still don't really see your point Tm won an election and was possibly the most ineffectual pm of recent years. Bj has won 1 and if I was a betting man I'd say he will be the most inept pm we have ever had. As said before it was a statement of fact. Of course some Labour leaders are better than others but none since Blair have been good enough. Different scales of defeat is still is defeat. Depends on your defeniton of good enough. Electorally he was very successful. Yet his reputation in labour circles isnt the best. Mine would be winning a GE. He played 2 and lost 2. Milliband lost and so did Brown so none have been successful since Blair Blair was extremely successful at the polls. He was charismatic,popular and appealed to middle England. He also got involved in an illegal war where thousands of people died. He took the north and Scotland for granted and lost generations of voters which labour are paying for now. Yep the war was his downfall for sure but since him every new leader has lost every GE. Which is why my original post said corbyn, Miliband and Brown have all one thing in common- they lost We live in a conservative country. The press are overwhelmingly right wing. Anyone remotely left wing is utterly anhiliated. The facts I mentioned are just that-facts. We have had Labour governments before so it's possible as Blair demonstrated. Since then it's just been defeat after defeat And things change, just because something happened in 1979 doesn't mean it will happen again. By the late 80's and early 90's the Sun was kingmaker in UK politics, after Murdoch met and gave his approval to Blair, the Sun turned on John Major and backed Blair. The Tories tried William Hague, Ian Duncan Smith and Michael Howard but they all lacked credibility as PM material. Did you know that the Conservatives made approaches to Blair in his first term to see if he would consider joining them. They thought he was a natural Tory and was playing for the wrong team. They probably had a point tbf He was their last leader that made it to PM and done it 3 times. Since then it's all downhill. Lots of elections and even more excuses We have had 1 left wing gmnt in 80 years. Apart from Blair's golden age the tories have been in power for the last 40 years. They were in power throughout the 50'upto the mid 60s. Then again in the early 70s. You seem to be implying labour failure at the election is a recent phenomenon. Why do you think I'm implying that?. I'm just stating the facts. " We all know the facts. You have said the last 3 it's all been downhill. In fact in 2017 corbyn actually got more votes than brown and Miliband. | |||
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"He also got more than Blair in 2005 and increased the vote share more than any other leader since 1945." He also lost on both occasions including last year's worst result for ages. Blair won 3 times then Brown lost. Miliband lost and Corbyn lost twice. Regardless of how its dressed up loosening is loosening. | |||
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""Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice – stability and strong government with me, or chaos with Ed Miliband." David Cameron, May 2015 " Yup Cameron Backed by the Aussie Media Mogul Murdoch , who was a big believer in the U.K leaving the EU , Also the Man responsible for The Newspaper that hacked the phone of a murdered child , which led to her parents believe that she may still be alive . His Rag of a paper was rightly shutdown, shame its daily rag didnt go to. Murdochs Cameron/Tory backed campaign helped the British people to believe they were making the decisions for Brexit. Remember When Murdoch backed Blair His Newspaper The Sun showed the missile site on ots front page WMD'S . Well it looked like a tin roof over a well to me . Murdoch is now in Amerakee & is a big friend of TRAMP 2020. Cameron stability, nah he legged it May Strong & stable nah Weak & Wobbly . Bor oops sorry i meant Dominic well 3 years in Russia What do you expect . | |||
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"He also got more than Blair in 2005 and increased the vote share more than any other leader since 1945. He also lost on both occasions including last year's worst result for ages. Blair won 3 times then Brown lost. Miliband lost and Corbyn lost twice. Regardless of how its dressed up loosening is loosening." I'm honestly not sure what repeating "they lost 3 tomes'over and over again is going to achieve if I'm honest. | |||
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"He also got more than Blair in 2005 and increased the vote share more than any other leader since 1945. He also lost on both occasions including last year's worst result for ages. Blair won 3 times then Brown lost. Miliband lost and Corbyn lost twice. Regardless of how its dressed up loosening is loosening. I'm honestly not sure what repeating "they lost 3 tomes'over and over again is going to achieve if I'm honest." As I said right at the start it was a statement of fact. | |||
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"Have the tories done well over the years because they appeal to the negative aspects of human nature ; greed , selfishness, gluttony, amoral doctrine? " It is a possibility.From my own life experiences there was, i feel, a palpable change in the outlook and demeanour of folk after Thatcher came to the helm. Greed seem to come to the fore. I always remember my sister asking me if i was going to buy my allotment of shares in BT which was about to float on the stockmarket (1984?). She was going to buy hers, but I told her "No, I object to somebody selling something that belongs to us all to only those of us wealthy enough to buy a piece!". I could see her mind working, and almost immediately she said "could you buy your share for me then if i give you the money?". I told her to Foxtrot Oscar. | |||
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"Have the tories done well over the years because they appeal to the negative aspects of human nature ; greed , selfishness, gluttony, amoral doctrine? It is a possibility.From my own life experiences there was, i feel, a palpable change in the outlook and demeanour of folk after Thatcher came to the helm. Greed seem to come to the fore. I always remember my sister asking me if i was going to buy my allotment of shares in BT which was about to float on the stockmarket (1984?). She was going to buy hers, but I told her "No, I object to somebody selling something that belongs to us all to only those of us wealthy enough to buy a piece!". I could see her mind working, and almost immediately she said "could you buy your share for me then if i give you the money?". I told her to Foxtrot Oscar. "Thatcherism is probably the most destructive political ideology this country has ever seen. She gleefully tore the country apart and her legacy and attitudes are still seen today. | |||
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"Have the tories done well over the years because they appeal to the negative aspects of human nature ; greed , selfishness, gluttony, amoral doctrine? It is a possibility.From my own life experiences there was, i feel, a palpable change in the outlook and demeanour of folk after Thatcher came to the helm. Greed seem to come to the fore. I always remember my sister asking me if i was going to buy my allotment of shares in BT which was about to float on the stockmarket (1984?). She was going to buy hers, but I told her "No, I object to somebody selling something that belongs to us all to only those of us wealthy enough to buy a piece!". I could see her mind working, and almost immediately she said "could you buy your share for me then if i give you the money?". I told her to Foxtrot Oscar.
Thatcherism is probably the most destructive political ideology this country has ever seen.
She gleefully tore the country apart and her legacy and attitudes are still seen today."I remember the yupies, and the character that used to say "loaaads a moneyyyyy" waving wads of cash about. Selling the family of the country was always a bad idea | |||
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"Have the tories done well over the years because they appeal to the negative aspects of human nature ; greed , selfishness, gluttony, amoral doctrine? It is a possibility.From my own life experiences there was, i feel, a palpable change in the outlook and demeanour of folk after Thatcher came to the helm. Greed seem to come to the fore. I always remember my sister asking me if i was going to buy my allotment of shares in BT which was about to float on the stockmarket (1984?). She was going to buy hers, but I told her "No, I object to somebody selling something that belongs to us all to only those of us wealthy enough to buy a piece!". I could see her mind working, and almost immediately she said "could you buy your share for me then if i give you the money?". I told her to Foxtrot Oscar.
Thatcherism is probably the most destructive political ideology this country has ever seen.
She gleefully tore the country apart and her legacy and attitudes are still seen today."One big brewery near me was in profit and healthily making money yet was attacked by a hostile take over bid, closed down and asset stripped by thatcherite shit holes | |||
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