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"Where the US leads we follow. More major changes being introduced without adequate oversight whilst in the middle of a pandemic. Up to 9 million voters, most likely to be non Tory voting, being left off the electoral roles in contradiction to recommendations. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/voter-registration-electoral-roll-conservatives-government-boundary-changes-a9575451.html" Apparently this was answered. So there is no change and there is oversight. There is no pandemic as a diversion. The Electoral Commission has not done and research to indicate that up to 9 million people being left of the electoral roll. They have made no recommendations of how to improve this. The government is not ignoring these recommendations. There is no statistical data to indicate that the young and the poor are less likely to vote Tory. | |||
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"If you want to vote you can easily register if not all ready on the list. https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote As the page says it usually only takes 5 minutes to register. Really can't see what the problem is?" So you are providing this partial answer? Is that right? "Is it possible that some people find it neither quick nor easy to vote? Yes/no? No, it is not possible That they find the thought of even starting that process difficult or intimidating? Yes/no? Nobody can find this process difficult or intimidating" You are not addressing anything else. I'm trying to understand what you are saying specifically. That's all. | |||
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"Obsession is dangerous, give yourself a break " That hasn't really addressed the subject. It's purely personal. Have you anything to contribute to the topic? | |||
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"If you want to vote you can easily register if not all ready on the list. https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote As the page says it usually only takes 5 minutes to register. Really can't see what the problem is? So you are providing this partial answer? Is that right? "Is it possible that some people find it neither quick nor easy to vote? Yes/no? No, it is not possible That they find the thought of even starting that process difficult or intimidating? Yes/no? Nobody can find this process difficult or intimidating" You are not addressing anything else. I'm trying to understand what you are saying specifically. That's all." Not trying to say anything. Just pointing out where to register and it only takes 5 minutes.! You obviously have a problem with it. | |||
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"If you want to vote you can easily register if not all ready on the list. https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote As the page says it usually only takes 5 minutes to register. Really can't see what the problem is? So you are providing this partial answer? Is that right? "Is it possible that some people find it neither quick nor easy to vote? Yes/no? No, it is not possible That they find the thought of even starting that process difficult or intimidating? Yes/no? Nobody can find this process difficult or intimidating" You are not addressing anything else. I'm trying to understand what you are saying specifically. That's all. Not trying to say anything. Just pointing out where to register and it only takes 5 minutes.! You obviously have a problem with it. " "Obviously have a problem with" what? I am aware of where to register and how long it may take people like you or people like me who do not find it an issue. That's not the point that I'm making is it? I don't understand why you keep answering this question, which I haven't asked. Let's just ask the one question then. Are there people for whom this process might not be so simple? Yes/no | |||
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"If you want to vote you can easily register if not all ready on the list. https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote As the page says it usually only takes 5 minutes to register. Really can't see what the problem is? So you are providing this partial answer? Is that right? "Is it possible that some people find it neither quick nor easy to vote? Yes/no? No, it is not possible That they find the thought of even starting that process difficult or intimidating? Yes/no? Nobody can find this process difficult or intimidating" You are not addressing anything else. I'm trying to understand what you are saying specifically. That's all. Not trying to say anything. Just pointing out where to register and it only takes 5 minutes.! You obviously have a problem with it. "Obviously have a problem with" what? I am aware of where to register and how long it may take people like you or people like me who do not find it an issue. That's not the point that I'm making is it? I don't understand why you keep answering this question, which I haven't asked. Let's just ask the one question then. Are there people for whom this process might not be so simple? Yes/no" Like who? | |||
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"If you want to vote you can easily register if not all ready on the list. https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote As the page says it usually only takes 5 minutes to register. Really can't see what the problem is? So you are providing this partial answer? Is that right? "Is it possible that some people find it neither quick nor easy to vote? Yes/no? No, it is not possible That they find the thought of even starting that process difficult or intimidating? Yes/no? Nobody can find this process difficult or intimidating" You are not addressing anything else. I'm trying to understand what you are saying specifically. That's all. Not trying to say anything. Just pointing out where to register and it only takes 5 minutes.! You obviously have a problem with it. "Obviously have a problem with" what? I am aware of where to register and how long it may take people like you or people like me who do not find it an issue. That's not the point that I'm making is it? I don't understand why you keep answering this question, which I haven't asked. Let's just ask the one question then. Are there people for whom this process might not be so simple? Yes/no Like who?" I can list some possible examples: Like someone who has never voted and who's family has never voted. Someone with low self confidence. Someone with reading difficulties. Someone who's poorly educated. Someone who receives a voter registration notice and does not know that there is another way if this stops. Someone with no internet connection. Someone with mobility problems. Some combination of all of them. That's still not answering that specific question. Do you think that there are or are not any people who could find registering to vote challenging? Is it possible? That's still only one question, bit let's stick with it. | |||
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"If you want to vote you can easily register if not all ready on the list. https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote As the page says it usually only takes 5 minutes to register. Really can't see what the problem is? So you are providing this partial answer? Is that right? "Is it possible that some people find it neither quick nor easy to vote? Yes/no? No, it is not possible That they find the thought of even starting that process difficult or intimidating? Yes/no? Nobody can find this process difficult or intimidating" You are not addressing anything else. I'm trying to understand what you are saying specifically. That's all. Not trying to say anything. Just pointing out where to register and it only takes 5 minutes.! You obviously have a problem with it. "Obviously have a problem with" what? I am aware of where to register and how long it may take people like you or people like me who do not find it an issue. That's not the point that I'm making is it? I don't understand why you keep answering this question, which I haven't asked. Let's just ask the one question then. Are there people for whom this process might not be so simple? Yes/no Like who? I can list some possible examples: Like someone who has never voted and who's family has never voted. Someone with low self confidence. Someone with reading difficulties. Someone who's poorly educated. Someone who receives a voter registration notice and does not know that there is another way if this stops. Someone with no internet connection. Someone with mobility problems. Some combination of all of them. That's still not answering that specific question. Do you think that there are or are not any people who could find registering to vote challenging? Is it possible? That's still only one question, bit let's stick with it." OK I can see you are just looking for an argument with just what you have posted as you examples. If someone has reading difficulties how would they fill in the voter registration notice in the first place? | |||
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"If you want to vote you can easily register if not all ready on the list. https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote As the page says it usually only takes 5 minutes to register. Really can't see what the problem is? So you are providing this partial answer? Is that right? "Is it possible that some people find it neither quick nor easy to vote? Yes/no? No, it is not possible That they find the thought of even starting that process difficult or intimidating? Yes/no? Nobody can find this process difficult or intimidating" You are not addressing anything else. I'm trying to understand what you are saying specifically. That's all. Not trying to say anything. Just pointing out where to register and it only takes 5 minutes.! You obviously have a problem with it. "Obviously have a problem with" what? I am aware of where to register and how long it may take people like you or people like me who do not find it an issue. That's not the point that I'm making is it? I don't understand why you keep answering this question, which I haven't asked. Let's just ask the one question then. Are there people for whom this process might not be so simple? Yes/no Like who? I can list some possible examples: Like someone who has never voted and who's family has never voted. Someone with low self confidence. Someone with reading difficulties. Someone who's poorly educated. Someone who receives a voter registration notice and does not know that there is another way if this stops. Someone with no internet connection. Someone with mobility problems. Some combination of all of them. That's still not answering that specific question. Do you think that there are or are not any people who could find registering to vote challenging? Is it possible? That's still only one question, bit let's stick with it. OK I can see you are just looking for an argument with just what you have posted as you examples. If someone has reading difficulties how would they fill in the voter registration notice in the first place?" So it would not be easy? They would require encouragement to make the effort and help to complete the process? You are now looking to prove or disprove one part of one question. Already a long way from the wider point. Not just an argument. You are saying that because a system is suitable for some people nothing more needs doing. | |||
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"This is not America(incase most do not know this). Yes I have read how Trump is trying to rig the election in the States. The problem here is a different one it is the haard left in councils fiddling the postal votes,i feel that is how labour got in round here. It is however so different to America where it is happening on a national scale I feel. We need to change how votes are counted and online voting must be banned to easy to fiddle I think" The "hard left" or some corrupt councillors? How wide spread is this "fiddling"? There is no online voting in the UK. I agree that there is very deliberate voter suppression in the US. How did it start? It used a statistically small level of electoral fraud and pretended it was a serious one. I am drawing attention to the other aspect. Not encouraging voting for its own sake. Removing existing processes and not replacing them let alone improving them. Not measuring and incorrectly defining electoral boundaries as a consequence. | |||
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"This is not America(incase most do not know this). Yes I have read how Trump is trying to rig the election in the States. The problem here is a different one it is the haard left in councils fiddling the postal votes,i feel that is how labour got in round here. It is however so different to America where it is happening on a national scale I feel. We need to change how votes are counted and online voting must be banned to easy to fiddle I think The "hard left" or some corrupt councillors? How wide spread is this "fiddling"? There is no online voting in the UK. I agree that there is very deliberate voter suppression in the US. How did it start? It used a statistically small level of electoral fraud and pretended it was a serious one. I am drawing attention to the other aspect. Not encouraging voting for its own sake. Removing existing processes and not replacing them let alone improving them. Not measuring and incorrectly defining electoral boundaries as a consequence." And another perfect example of ignore everyone's answer and keep demanding yes or no answers until you get the answer you want. Are you going to try to compete with the 4 threads about a paint job on a plane? This has been answered time and time again, you are wrong, no one is being suppressed anyone who wants to can vote, everyone knows there is an election in plenty of time. Or would you like a person sent to the front door of every person to ask politely if they feel like registering today? They can take them biscuits and offer to wipe their arses while they are there as well. | |||
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"Obsession is dangerous, give yourself a break That hasn't really addressed the subject. It's purely personal. Have you anything to contribute to the topic?" Why would I bother I and several others have given you our opinion but it doesnt suit your agenda so you keep banging on about it, you would fit in well with the bbc, get an answer but not the one you want so ask it again and again and again | |||
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""Is it possible that some people find it neither quick nor easy to vote? Yes/no? No, it is not possible" Of course its possible, some people struggle to tie their own shoelace or are scared to do anything. However, the fact remains that online or by post the questions and required details remain the same. You can argue that not everyone is online however people can phone the electoral office to request a paper form and the form can be printed out to be completed, there is even an easy read version with full explanations for each section. This means that nobody is having their vote 'surpressed'. "That they find the thought of even starting that process difficult or intimidating? Yes/no? Nobody can find this process difficult or intimidating" - as above. Im sure some people are intimidated by it but how will a postal reminder change this? (Hint - it wont..) "Is it an inherently good thing that they should be encouraged to vote? Yes/no? Yes if they already want to" - yes, but as already said people are already bombarded with reminders on TV, radio, newspapers, billboards, leaflets, canvassing, social media, peer pressure etc, then removing a redundant postal reminder is not voter supression. "Is it an inherently good thing that people in general should be encouraged to vote in a democracy? Yes/no? Yes, but the government should not do anything to encourage it" - not one person has said the gov should not encourage it, what is being said is that postal reminders are a unnecessary waste of time, money and paper. "  | |||
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" "Like someone who has never voted and who's family has never voted." - well they previously received reminders and still didnt vote. Not really a good argument for them is it? "Someone with low self confidence." - how will a postal reminder change this? "Someone with reading difficulties." - again, how will a postal reminder change this? "Someone who's poorly educated." - how will a postal reminder change/help this? "Someone who receives a voter registration notice and does not know that there is another way if this stops." - i am sure that the new methods will be well publicised. "Someone with no internet connection." - postal forms can be requested from the electoral office or printed out by friends, family, neighbours, carers, in the local library or internet cafe etc. Besides, mobiles have come with internet capabilty since the early 2000's and most come with internet access as part or the contract bundle or top up and if not opening one webpage will cost just pence. If even that is too expensive then free wifi is widespread. "Someone with mobility problems." - these people would struggle to to get to the post box making online a much preferable option. "Some combination of all of them." - then there will be some combination of the options given that they can use. "That's still not answering that specific question. Do you think that there are or are not any people who could find registering to vote challenging? Is it possible?" - again, yes its possible but it is not the problem you make it out to be and postal reminders dont really address it anyway." | |||
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"Obsession is dangerous, give yourself a break That hasn't really addressed the subject. It's purely personal. Have you anything to contribute to the topic? Why would I bother I and several others have given you our opinion but it doesnt suit your agenda so you keep banging on about it, you would fit in well with the bbc, get an answer but not the one you want so ask it again and again and again " ********************************* Once referred to himself as an 'aerodynamicist' I know for certain this is completely untrue.... He's a sorry troll who's only saving grace being his Google competence. Probably bullied at school, who knows....?? Eva.  | |||
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"This thread has made me lol this morning. Clearing my hangover nicely
Some people will find anything to complain about so long as it attacks the Conservatives "Hold on a minute! Thats not strictly... Oh no my mistake, it's exactly true. | |||
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