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"The U.S tv networks that he called fake: CNN NBC BLOOMBERG & BBC america Reports, The map of his sates turning RED with corona soaring with upto 50 % increases in infection, is now into 30 plus states. All his followers that sheep like -called this fake news - from news networks that report fact - including climate and global science AND medical science. The bleached headed self riotous prick - should be put on trial for manslaughter of " his " citizen's he is supposed to be looking after and protecting .. ? ? " And the fuckwits will still re elect him  | |||
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"I cant believe anyone is actually surprised how long ago were the Floyd riots and demos? " Still going on | |||
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"It's 'boring' criticising a man of such magnificent ineptitude. " Inept? I don't think so. Crass, to the point, sometimes uncomfortable to watch for some but, undoubtedly effective. The ineptitude is safely owned by the democrats. | |||
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"I cant believe anyone is actually surprised how long ago were the Floyd riots and demos? " Cause and effect.. You must have a brain the size of a planet sir! | |||
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"It's 'boring' criticising a man of such magnificent ineptitude. Inept? I don't think so. Crass, to the point, sometimes uncomfortable to watch for some but, undoubtedly effective. The ineptitude is safely owned by the democrats." Effective? Erm, how? Good god, how anybody can look at that orange twunt and see anything other than a disaster is beyond me. Don't say the economic bump before Covid. That is well documented to have started in the Obama period. | |||
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"It's 'boring' criticising a man of such magnificent ineptitude. Inept? I don't think so. Crass, to the point, sometimes uncomfortable to watch for some but, undoubtedly effective. The ineptitude is safely owned by the democrats." The democrats are not in power. I love this thing that everybody does this days. Totally ignore the mess the lot in power have gotten everybody in and somehow look to blame those not in power. What strange times we live in. | |||
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"It was pretty predictable that this would happen; not the spikes as a result of Trump's really, but how the media will drum this up to be his fault. It is so predictable, it's boring. The reason there is such a 'sudden spike' is because there is more testing - you test more, you find more. The majority of supporters watched the livestreams. Many of them afraid to attend, partly for health reasons and partly due to Antifa. What's not being reported by those same outlets is the level of infections in the blue States, especially where the rioters were allowed to just do as they please. It'll be interesting to see how much reporting there'll be surrounding the infection rates with anyone involved in the CHAZ, sorry, CHOP. The short answer is, they won't know because these people will most likely refuse to get tested " You think that this is down to rioting and protests and nothing to do with lockdowns being widely released without adequate safety precautions being taken? Righto  | |||
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"It was pretty predictable that this would happen; not the spikes as a result of Trump's really, but how the media will drum this up to be his fault. It is so predictable, it's boring. The reason there is such a 'sudden spike' is because there is more testing - you test more, you find more. The majority of supporters watched the livestreams. Many of them afraid to attend, partly for health reasons and partly due to Antifa. What's not being reported by those same outlets is the level of infections in the blue States, especially where the rioters were allowed to just do as they please. It'll be interesting to see how much reporting there'll be surrounding the infection rates with anyone involved in the CHAZ, sorry, CHOP. The short answer is, they won't know because these people will most likely refuse to get tested You think that this is down to rioting and protests and nothing to do with lockdowns being widely released without adequate safety precautions being taken? Righto "Thing is _asyuk... It's a good discussion.. But there seem to be a fairly large minority in USA and here at home who think that unless there is a govt directive and a personal police escort to enforce social distancing... That somehow personal responsibility and common sense are excused. No govt is forcing people to stand next to each other and transmit the virus... With all the news coverage.. Everyone knows the virus is in the community and that we need to keep our distance. All people are continually reminded to isolate with symptoms and stay distant... Now could govt have done better? Yes of course. But when we have all as individuals done our best to extinguish the threat? I would suggest that the ravers and crowded beach goers and crowded protestors and those who attended religious gatherings of 1000s etc may have contributed to the spread.. | |||
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"It was pretty predictable that this would happen; not the spikes as a result of Trump's really, but how the media will drum this up to be his fault. It is so predictable, it's boring. The reason there is such a 'sudden spike' is because there is more testing - you test more, you find more. The majority of supporters watched the livestreams. Many of them afraid to attend, partly for health reasons and partly due to Antifa. What's not being reported by those same outlets is the level of infections in the blue States, especially where the rioters were allowed to just do as they please. It'll be interesting to see how much reporting there'll be surrounding the infection rates with anyone involved in the CHAZ, sorry, CHOP. The short answer is, they won't know because these people will most likely refuse to get tested You think that this is down to rioting and protests and nothing to do with lockdowns being widely released without adequate safety precautions being taken? Righto
Thing is _asyuk... It's a good discussion.. But there seem to be a fairly large minority in USA and here at home who think that unless there is a govt directive and a personal police escort to enforce social distancing... That somehow personal responsibility and common sense are excused. No govt is forcing people to stand next to each other and transmit the virus... With all the news coverage.. Everyone knows the virus is in the community and that we need to keep our distance. All people are continually reminded to isolate with symptoms and stay distant...
Now could govt have done better? Yes of course. But when we have all as individuals done our best to extinguish the threat? I would suggest that the ravers and crowded beach goers and crowded protestors and those who attended religious gatherings of 1000s etc may have contributed to the spread.. "you cant say that on here my friend how could it possible these morons fault? its the fault of trump and boris everytime.  | |||
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"It was pretty predictable that this would happen; not the spikes as a result of Trump's really, but how the media will drum this up to be his fault. It is so predictable, it's boring. The reason there is such a 'sudden spike' is because there is more testing - you test more, you find more. The majority of supporters watched the livestreams. Many of them afraid to attend, partly for health reasons and partly due to Antifa. What's not being reported by those same outlets is the level of infections in the blue States, especially where the rioters were allowed to just do as they please. It'll be interesting to see how much reporting there'll be surrounding the infection rates with anyone involved in the CHAZ, sorry, CHOP. The short answer is, they won't know because these people will most likely refuse to get tested You think that this is down to rioting and protests and nothing to do with lockdowns being widely released without adequate safety precautions being taken? Righto
Thing is _asyuk... It's a good discussion.. But there seem to be a fairly large minority in USA and here at home who think that unless there is a govt directive and a personal police escort to enforce social distancing... That somehow personal responsibility and common sense are excused. No govt is forcing people to stand next to each other and transmit the virus... With all the news coverage.. Everyone knows the virus is in the community and that we need to keep our distance. All people are continually reminded to isolate with symptoms and stay distant...
Now could govt have done better? Yes of course. But when we have all as individuals done our best to extinguish the threat? I would suggest that the ravers and crowded beach goers and crowded protestors and those who attended religious gatherings of 1000s etc may have contributed to the spread.. "If the population is given the impression that it's all over and you can go back to life as usual by national and state leadership, then that's how they will behave. Personal responsibility is down to knowledge and if mixed messages are being given then people will act on the information that they prefer. I didn't say that crowds of any description have not contributed to the problem. They obviously have, but many states in the USA have encouraged people to go back to business as usual. That's the issue. It wasn't go back and be very cautious. It was go back and everything is fine. | |||
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"It was pretty predictable that this would happen; not the spikes as a result of Trump's really, but how the media will drum this up to be his fault. It is so predictable, it's boring. The reason there is such a 'sudden spike' is because there is more testing - you test more, you find more. The majority of supporters watched the livestreams. Many of them afraid to attend, partly for health reasons and partly due to Antifa. What's not being reported by those same outlets is the level of infections in the blue States, especially where the rioters were allowed to just do as they please. It'll be interesting to see how much reporting there'll be surrounding the infection rates with anyone involved in the CHAZ, sorry, CHOP. The short answer is, they won't know because these people will most likely refuse to get tested You think that this is down to rioting and protests and nothing to do with lockdowns being widely released without adequate safety precautions being taken? Righto
Thing is _asyuk... It's a good discussion.. But there seem to be a fairly large minority in USA and here at home who think that unless there is a govt directive and a personal police escort to enforce social distancing... That somehow personal responsibility and common sense are excused. No govt is forcing people to stand next to each other and transmit the virus... With all the news coverage.. Everyone knows the virus is in the community and that we need to keep our distance. All people are continually reminded to isolate with symptoms and stay distant...
Now could govt have done better? Yes of course. But when we have all as individuals done our best to extinguish the threat? I would suggest that the ravers and crowded beach goers and crowded protestors and those who attended religious gatherings of 1000s etc may have contributed to the spread..
If the population is given the impression that it's all over and you can go back to life as usual by national and state leadership, then that's how they will behave.
Personal responsibility is down to knowledge and if mixed messages are being given then people will act on the information that they prefer.
I didn't say that crowds of any description have not contributed to the problem. They obviously have, but many states in the USA have encouraged people to go back to business as usual.
That's the issue. It wasn't go back and be very cautious. It was go back and everything is fine."Well done we can finally agree on something big crowds, no social distancing = a spread of the virus.Now you dont have to be Einstein to understand one of the groups mostly at risk are the bame and who were the majority rioting and protesting ? no wonder the death rate has risen. | |||
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"It was pretty predictable that this would happen; not the spikes as a result of Trump's really, but how the media will drum this up to be his fault. It is so predictable, it's boring. The reason there is such a 'sudden spike' is because there is more testing - you test more, you find more. The majority of supporters watched the livestreams. Many of them afraid to attend, partly for health reasons and partly due to Antifa. What's not being reported by those same outlets is the level of infections in the blue States, especially where the rioters were allowed to just do as they please. It'll be interesting to see how much reporting there'll be surrounding the infection rates with anyone involved in the CHAZ, sorry, CHOP. The short answer is, they won't know because these people will most likely refuse to get tested You think that this is down to rioting and protests and nothing to do with lockdowns being widely released without adequate safety precautions being taken? Righto
Thing is _asyuk... It's a good discussion.. But there seem to be a fairly large minority in USA and here at home who think that unless there is a govt directive and a personal police escort to enforce social distancing... That somehow personal responsibility and common sense are excused. No govt is forcing people to stand next to each other and transmit the virus... With all the news coverage.. Everyone knows the virus is in the community and that we need to keep our distance. All people are continually reminded to isolate with symptoms and stay distant...
Now could govt have done better? Yes of course. But when we have all as individuals done our best to extinguish the threat? I would suggest that the ravers and crowded beach goers and crowded protestors and those who attended religious gatherings of 1000s etc may have contributed to the spread..
If the population is given the impression that it's all over and you can go back to life as usual by national and state leadership, then that's how they will behave.
Personal responsibility is down to knowledge and if mixed messages are being given then people will act on the information that they prefer.
I didn't say that crowds of any description have not contributed to the problem. They obviously have, but many states in the USA have encouraged people to go back to business as usual.
That's the issue. It wasn't go back and be very cautious. It was go back and everything is fine.Well done we can finally agree on something big crowds, no social distancing = a spread of the virus.Now you dont have to be Einstein to understand one of the groups mostly at risk are the bame and who were the majority rioting and protesting ? no wonder the death rate has risen. "Several hundred or thousand people protesting in close proximity is bad. Even the beachgoers at this stage were out for a day but them went home and stayed home. Still very bad. Several million going back to life as usual as in the USA is a disaster. Especially when some state leaders even altered data to allow early release from lockdown. The leader of the country has continued to insist that it's no big deal. That is far, far worse. | |||
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"It was pretty predictable that this would happen; not the spikes as a result of Trump's really, but how the media will drum this up to be his fault. It is so predictable, it's boring. The reason there is such a 'sudden spike' is because there is more testing - you test more, you find more. The majority of supporters watched the livestreams. Many of them afraid to attend, partly for health reasons and partly due to Antifa. What's not being reported by those same outlets is the level of infections in the blue States, especially where the rioters were allowed to just do as they please. It'll be interesting to see how much reporting there'll be surrounding the infection rates with anyone involved in the CHAZ, sorry, CHOP. The short answer is, they won't know because these people will most likely refuse to get tested You think that this is down to rioting and protests and nothing to do with lockdowns being widely released without adequate safety precautions being taken? Righto
Thing is _asyuk... It's a good discussion.. But there seem to be a fairly large minority in USA and here at home who think that unless there is a govt directive and a personal police escort to enforce social distancing... That somehow personal responsibility and common sense are excused. No govt is forcing people to stand next to each other and transmit the virus... With all the news coverage.. Everyone knows the virus is in the community and that we need to keep our distance. All people are continually reminded to isolate with symptoms and stay distant...
Now could govt have done better? Yes of course. But when we have all as individuals done our best to extinguish the threat? I would suggest that the ravers and crowded beach goers and crowded protestors and those who attended religious gatherings of 1000s etc may have contributed to the spread..
If the population is given the impression that it's all over and you can go back to life as usual by national and state leadership, then that's how they will behave.
Personal responsibility is down to knowledge and if mixed messages are being given then people will act on the information that they prefer.
I didn't say that crowds of any description have not contributed to the problem. They obviously have, but many states in the USA have encouraged people to go back to business as usual.
That's the issue. It wasn't go back and be very cautious. It was go back and everything is fine.Well done we can finally agree on something big crowds, no social distancing = a spread of the virus.Now you dont have to be Einstein to understand one of the groups mostly at risk are the bame and who were the majority rioting and protesting ? no wonder the death rate has risen.
Several hundred or thousand people protesting in close proximity is bad.
Even the beachgoers at this stage were out for a day but them went home and stayed home. Still very bad.
Several million going back to life as usual as in the USA is a disaster. Especially when some state leaders even altered data to allow early release from lockdown. The leader of the country has continued to insist that it's no big deal.
That is far, far worse."Ah right so now you are just trying to make it into an argument about who is worse? I made a statement you jumped on it and now because I was right you are trying to make it into who is worse | |||
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"It was pretty predictable that this would happen; not the spikes as a result of Trump's really, but how the media will drum this up to be his fault. It is so predictable, it's boring. The reason there is such a 'sudden spike' is because there is more testing - you test more, you find more. The majority of supporters watched the livestreams. Many of them afraid to attend, partly for health reasons and partly due to Antifa. What's not being reported by those same outlets is the level of infections in the blue States, especially where the rioters were allowed to just do as they please. It'll be interesting to see how much reporting there'll be surrounding the infection rates with anyone involved in the CHAZ, sorry, CHOP. The short answer is, they won't know because these people will most likely refuse to get tested " so much "Tin foil hat" in one post.... so as mr t would say "lets clear up some of this jibber jabber!"
1) the more testing thing..... yes you would tend to find more cases if you do more tests... but, the proportion of new cases they are finding is HIGHER than the proportion of new tests.... hence....spikes!!!!
taaaa daaa!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
2) antifa nonsense... and the tulsa rally... you just pissed trump could only fill 1/3 of a 19K arens when they said they had 1 million rsvps for the MAGA superbowl and set up an overflow even aren't you!!!!
3) I think you'll find the highest increases are in the republican red states, where the republican governors of those state opened up quicker than the whitehouse's own corona virus taskforce guidelines on reopening being egged on to ignore those guidelines by trump himself!!!!!
trumped derided it when it was a blue state issue... now... he is in trouble, and abdicated all responability! | |||
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"It's 'boring' criticising a man of such magnificent ineptitude. Inept? I don't think so. Crass, to the point, sometimes uncomfortable to watch for some but, undoubtedly effective. The ineptitude is safely owned by the democrats. The democrats are not in power. I love this thing that everybody does this days. Totally ignore the mess the lot in power have gotten everybody in and somehow look to blame those not in power. What strange times we live in." I think my response may be a case of TL;DR and I don't blame anyone for not reading it. I do go on a little. But... The democrats absolutely are in power. It is the democratic governors and mayors who've tactfully used these recent events to try to outplay the republicans before the upcoming elections. Trump wanted to lockdown, eventually, before any of the democrats did. They said he was oppressing people; he was a dictator in the making, etc, etc. Pelosi telling everyone to ignore the warnings and "come on down to Chinatown". Mayor Deblasio urging everyone to ignore what was being said by the medical experts and encouraging mass gatherings etc. Mind, Even Governor Cuomo was a little critical of that. Then, when Trump wanted to reopen (bearing in mind he told the governor of Georgia I think it was, that he was opening his state too soon) the Dems completely turned tail and said that Trump didn't care about people's welfare and that he was endangering the lives of every American. That's all anyone heard from Dems was "keep locked down". Then come the riots and protests. The Dems get behind the protests and encourage more people to get out, even though they still preached lockdown. Chris Cuomo of CNN, Governor Cuomo's brother said live on air "burn it down. Burn it all down". This sentiment was endorsed by people like Pelosi. It was a Democratic mayor that encouraged and endorsed Antifa, the George Brown gun club, BLM and other Communists to cease a 6 block area in Seattle that they named Capital Hill Autonomous Zone (until they bitched out and realised that they couldn't use the word "autonomous" without some serious legal ramifications and named it Capital Hill Occupied Protest). In which the police were chased out, 14 people killed within the zone, businesses and residents within the zone constantly harassed. Ironically, Raz Simone effectively became pseudoTrump, erecting borders, with armed border patrols, ID checks and armed militia within the zone and we're told by Dems to believe it's just hippie dippie summer if love stuff. Then come the rallies. The Dems condemn anyone thinking of attending a Trump rally but encourage more looting, violence, rioting and protests. The Dems have overseen and even stood back and ordered law enforcement to step down whilst statues got pulled down, businesses, homes, private property get destroyed, and people's livelihoods getting ripped from them. Even statues of abolitionists, Union heroes, even people who had nothing to do with slavery or its abolition, the founding fathers all torn down and the Dems encourage it. The Dems have actively supported BLM's calls to defund the police. Even just recently, Mount Rushmore, the Dems are winding people up to believe that even that is racist, Independence Day is racist, and so on. The Dems may not be in government but they are certainly the party with the backing of MSM and social media which, these days is all you need to be powerful. The way the US works is that the president can only do so much on a state level. It falls to the mayor's, then the governors, then the president. The Dems know this. Particularly with the CHAZ thing I think that Trump had a very difficult decision to make but ultimately I think that he made the right choice. Because, the only thing that he could've done at his level was to send the army in and we know how juicy that wouldn't been for the Dems; "look at dictator Trump rolling in the army against these poor innocent protestors". Yup. | |||
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"It was pretty predictable that this would happen; not the spikes as a result of Trump's really, but how the media will drum this up to be his fault. It is so predictable, it's boring. The reason there is such a 'sudden spike' is because there is more testing - you test more, you find more. The majority of supporters watched the livestreams. Many of them afraid to attend, partly for health reasons and partly due to Antifa. What's not being reported by those same outlets is the level of infections in the blue States, especially where the rioters were allowed to just do as they please. It'll be interesting to see how much reporting there'll be surrounding the infection rates with anyone involved in the CHAZ, sorry, CHOP. The short answer is, they won't know because these people will most likely refuse to get tested You think that this is down to rioting and protests and nothing to do with lockdowns being widely released without adequate safety precautions being taken? Righto
Thing is _asyuk... It's a good discussion.. But there seem to be a fairly large minority in USA and here at home who think that unless there is a govt directive and a personal police escort to enforce social distancing... That somehow personal responsibility and common sense are excused. No govt is forcing people to stand next to each other and transmit the virus... With all the news coverage.. Everyone knows the virus is in the community and that we need to keep our distance. All people are continually reminded to isolate with symptoms and stay distant...
Now could govt have done better? Yes of course. But when we have all as individuals done our best to extinguish the threat? I would suggest that the ravers and crowded beach goers and crowded protestors and those who attended religious gatherings of 1000s etc may have contributed to the spread..
If the population is given the impression that it's all over and you can go back to life as usual by national and state leadership, then that's how they will behave.
Personal responsibility is down to knowledge and if mixed messages are being given then people will act on the information that they prefer.
I didn't say that crowds of any description have not contributed to the problem. They obviously have, but many states in the USA have encouraged people to go back to business as usual.
That's the issue. It wasn't go back and be very cautious. It was go back and everything is fine.Well done we can finally agree on something big crowds, no social distancing = a spread of the virus.Now you dont have to be Einstein to understand one of the groups mostly at risk are the bame and who were the majority rioting and protesting ? no wonder the death rate has risen.
Several hundred or thousand people protesting in close proximity is bad.
Even the beachgoers at this stage were out for a day but them went home and stayed home. Still very bad.
Several million going back to life as usual as in the USA is a disaster. Especially when some state leaders even altered data to allow early release from lockdown. The leader of the country has continued to insist that it's no big deal.
That is far, far worse.Ah right so now you are just trying to make it into an argument about who is worse? I made a statement you jumped on it and now because I was right you are trying to make it into who is worse "The post to which I replied implied that Trump is blameless and the spread of the virus all down to protestors and rioters. "You think that this is down to rioting and protests and nothing to do with lockdowns being widely released without adequate safety precautions being taken?" Feel free to explain how this does anything other than question the assertion that exclusively riots and protests are the cause. You really so just read what you want to don't you? | |||
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"It's 'boring' criticising a man of such magnificent ineptitude. Inept? I don't think so. Crass, to the point, sometimes uncomfortable to watch for some but, undoubtedly effective. The ineptitude is safely owned by the democrats. The democrats are not in power. I love this thing that everybody does this days. Totally ignore the mess the lot in power have gotten everybody in and somehow look to blame those not in power. What strange times we live in. I think my response may be a case of TL;DR and I don't blame anyone for not reading it. I do go on a little. But... The democrats absolutely are in power. It is the democratic governors and mayors who've tactfully used these recent events to try to outplay the republicans before the upcoming elections. Trump wanted to lockdown, eventually, before any of the democrats did. They said he was oppressing people; he was a dictator in the making, etc, etc. Pelosi telling everyone to ignore the warnings and "come on down to Chinatown". Mayor Deblasio urging everyone to ignore what was being said by the medical experts and encouraging mass gatherings etc. Mind, Even Governor Cuomo was a little critical of that. Then, when Trump wanted to reopen (bearing in mind he told the governor of Georgia I think it was, that he was opening his state too soon) the Dems completely turned tail and said that Trump didn't care about people's welfare and that he was endangering the lives of every American. That's all anyone heard from Dems was "keep locked down". Then come the riots and protests. The Dems get behind the protests and encourage more people to get out, even though they still preached lockdown. Chris Cuomo of CNN, Governor Cuomo's brother said live on air "burn it down. Burn it all down". This sentiment was endorsed by people like Pelosi. It was a Democratic mayor that encouraged and endorsed Antifa, the George Brown gun club, BLM and other Communists to cease a 6 block area in Seattle that they named Capital Hill Autonomous Zone (until they bitched out and realised that they couldn't use the word "autonomous" without some serious legal ramifications and named it Capital Hill Occupied Protest). In which the police were chased out, 14 people killed within the zone, businesses and residents within the zone constantly harassed. Ironically, Raz Simone effectively became pseudoTrump, erecting borders, with armed border patrols, ID checks and armed militia within the zone and we're told by Dems to believe it's just hippie dippie summer if love stuff. Then come the rallies. The Dems condemn anyone thinking of attending a Trump rally but encourage more looting, violence, rioting and protests. The Dems have overseen and even stood back and ordered law enforcement to step down whilst statues got pulled down, businesses, homes, private property get destroyed, and people's livelihoods getting ripped from them. Even statues of abolitionists, Union heroes, even people who had nothing to do with slavery or its abolition, the founding fathers all torn down and the Dems encourage it. The Dems have actively supported BLM's calls to defund the police. Even just recently, Mount Rushmore, the Dems are winding people up to believe that even that is racist, Independence Day is racist, and so on. The Dems may not be in government but they are certainly the party with the backing of MSM and social media which, these days is all you need to be powerful. The way the US works is that the president can only do so much on a state level. It falls to the mayor's, then the governors, then the president. The Dems know this. Particularly with the CHAZ thing I think that Trump had a very difficult decision to make but ultimately I think that he made the right choice. Because, the only thing that he could've done at his level was to send the army in and we know how juicy that wouldn't been for the Dems; "look at dictator Trump rolling in the army against these poor innocent protestors". Yup. " Are you suggesting Trump isn't racist, just very misunderstood by the media? That when the 'MSM' calls him out on 'alt facts' it's them that is actually wrong? Wow, I'm learning. | |||
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"It's 'boring' criticising a man of such magnificent ineptitude. Inept? I don't think so. Crass, to the point, sometimes uncomfortable to watch for some but, undoubtedly effective. The ineptitude is safely owned by the democrats. The democrats are not in power. I love this thing that everybody does this days. Totally ignore the mess the lot in power have gotten everybody in and somehow look to blame those not in power. What strange times we live in. I think my response may be a case of TL;DR and I don't blame anyone for not reading it. I do go on a little. But... The democrats absolutely are in power. It is the democratic governors and mayors who've tactfully used these recent events to try to outplay the republicans before the upcoming elections. Trump wanted to lockdown, eventually, before any of the democrats did. They said he was oppressing people; he was a dictator in the making, etc, etc. Pelosi telling everyone to ignore the warnings and "come on down to Chinatown". Mayor Deblasio urging everyone to ignore what was being said by the medical experts and encouraging mass gatherings etc. Mind, Even Governor Cuomo was a little critical of that. Then, when Trump wanted to reopen (bearing in mind he told the governor of Georgia I think it was, that he was opening his state too soon) the Dems completely turned tail and said that Trump didn't care about people's welfare and that he was endangering the lives of every American. That's all anyone heard from Dems was "keep locked down". Then come the riots and protests. The Dems get behind the protests and encourage more people to get out, even though they still preached lockdown. Chris Cuomo of CNN, Governor Cuomo's brother said live on air "burn it down. Burn it all down". This sentiment was endorsed by people like Pelosi. It was a Democratic mayor that encouraged and endorsed Antifa, the George Brown gun club, BLM and other Communists to cease a 6 block area in Seattle that they named Capital Hill Autonomous Zone (until they bitched out and realised that they couldn't use the word "autonomous" without some serious legal ramifications and named it Capital Hill Occupied Protest). In which the police were chased out, 14 people killed within the zone, businesses and residents within the zone constantly harassed. Ironically, Raz Simone effectively became pseudoTrump, erecting borders, with armed border patrols, ID checks and armed militia within the zone and we're told by Dems to believe it's just hippie dippie summer if love stuff. Then come the rallies. The Dems condemn anyone thinking of attending a Trump rally but encourage more looting, violence, rioting and protests. The Dems have overseen and even stood back and ordered law enforcement to step down whilst statues got pulled down, businesses, homes, private property get destroyed, and people's livelihoods getting ripped from them. Even statues of abolitionists, Union heroes, even people who had nothing to do with slavery or its abolition, the founding fathers all torn down and the Dems encourage it. The Dems have actively supported BLM's calls to defund the police. Even just recently, Mount Rushmore, the Dems are winding people up to believe that even that is racist, Independence Day is racist, and so on. The Dems may not be in government but they are certainly the party with the backing of MSM and social media which, these days is all you need to be powerful. The way the US works is that the president can only do so much on a state level. It falls to the mayor's, then the governors, then the president. The Dems know this. Particularly with the CHAZ thing I think that Trump had a very difficult decision to make but ultimately I think that he made the right choice. Because, the only thing that he could've done at his level was to send the army in and we know how juicy that wouldn't been for the Dems; "look at dictator Trump rolling in the army against these poor innocent protestors". Yup. " Let's make this absolutely clear: You are saying that Donald Trump wanted to lockdown the USA early. That he has been consistently saying that the virus is a serious, life threatening illness. That it requires a significant change in behaviour to reduce transmission. That large gatherings should be discouraged. That states should not be encouraged to open businesses quickly. That he did not say that churches should have been open at Easter. He has demonstrated the importance of mask wearing in public. That the Federal Government has provided clear guidance to States. You are also claiming that only Democrat controlled states have had serious infection problems? Is all of the information that contradicts your view a lie? You are genuinely stating that Trump's leadership has been exemplary as has that of all Republican Governors? I am willing to state that the BLM protests have been bad for disease transmission and that pulling down random statues is not to be encouraged. What Activity by Trump and the Republicans can you accept has been unhelpful in this crisis? Anything at all? | |||
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"It's 'boring' criticising a man of such magnificent ineptitude. Inept? I don't think so. Crass, to the point, sometimes uncomfortable to watch for some but, undoubtedly effective. The ineptitude is safely owned by the democrats. The democrats are not in power. I love this thing that everybody does this days. Totally ignore the mess the lot in power have gotten everybody in and somehow look to blame those not in power. What strange times we live in. I think my response may be a case of TL;DR and I don't blame anyone for not reading it. I do go on a little. But... The democrats absolutely are in power. It is the democratic governors and mayors who've tactfully used these recent events to try to outplay the republicans before the upcoming elections. Trump wanted to lockdown, eventually, before any of the democrats did. They said he was oppressing people; he was a dictator in the making, etc, etc. Pelosi telling everyone to ignore the warnings and "come on down to Chinatown". Mayor Deblasio urging everyone to ignore what was being said by the medical experts and encouraging mass gatherings etc. Mind, Even Governor Cuomo was a little critical of that. Then, when Trump wanted to reopen (bearing in mind he told the governor of Georgia I think it was, that he was opening his state too soon) the Dems completely turned tail and said that Trump didn't care about people's welfare and that he was endangering the lives of every American. That's all anyone heard from Dems was "keep locked down". Then come the riots and protests. The Dems get behind the protests and encourage more people to get out, even though they still preached lockdown. Chris Cuomo of CNN, Governor Cuomo's brother said live on air "burn it down. Burn it all down". This sentiment was endorsed by people like Pelosi. It was a Democratic mayor that encouraged and endorsed Antifa, the George Brown gun club, BLM and other Communists to cease a 6 block area in Seattle that they named Capital Hill Autonomous Zone (until they bitched out and realised that they couldn't use the word "autonomous" without some serious legal ramifications and named it Capital Hill Occupied Protest). In which the police were chased out, 14 people killed within the zone, businesses and residents within the zone constantly harassed. Ironically, Raz Simone effectively became pseudoTrump, erecting borders, with armed border patrols, ID checks and armed militia within the zone and we're told by Dems to believe it's just hippie dippie summer if love stuff. Then come the rallies. The Dems condemn anyone thinking of attending a Trump rally but encourage more looting, violence, rioting and protests. The Dems have overseen and even stood back and ordered law enforcement to step down whilst statues got pulled down, businesses, homes, private property get destroyed, and people's livelihoods getting ripped from them. Even statues of abolitionists, Union heroes, even people who had nothing to do with slavery or its abolition, the founding fathers all torn down and the Dems encourage it. The Dems have actively supported BLM's calls to defund the police. Even just recently, Mount Rushmore, the Dems are winding people up to believe that even that is racist, Independence Day is racist, and so on. The Dems may not be in government but they are certainly the party with the backing of MSM and social media which, these days is all you need to be powerful. The way the US works is that the president can only do so much on a state level. It falls to the mayor's, then the governors, then the president. The Dems know this. Particularly with the CHAZ thing I think that Trump had a very difficult decision to make but ultimately I think that he made the right choice. Because, the only thing that he could've done at his level was to send the army in and we know how juicy that wouldn't been for the Dems; "look at dictator Trump rolling in the army against these poor innocent protestors". Yup. Are you suggesting Trump isn't racist, just very misunderstood by the media? That when the 'MSM' calls him out on 'alt facts' it's them that is actually wrong? Wow, I'm learning." The MSM and social media constantly spin the narrative against him. I've seen nothing to even suggest that he is racist. I have however seen instances where the media purposefully take things out of context and have been found to be lying continually. CNN, MSNBC, BBC, The Guardian are the worst for this. I'm fact CNN are the ABSOLUTE worst for this. As for social media, Project Veritas exposed a lot. I'm sure that all of the black, brown, Asian and first nation Trump supporters would be able to attest to his lack of racism. | |||
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"It's 'boring' criticising a man of such magnificent ineptitude. Inept? I don't think so. Crass, to the point, sometimes uncomfortable to watch for some but, undoubtedly effective. The ineptitude is safely owned by the democrats. The democrats are not in power. I love this thing that everybody does this days. Totally ignore the mess the lot in power have gotten everybody in and somehow look to blame those not in power. What strange times we live in. I think my response may be a case of TL;DR and I don't blame anyone for not reading it. I do go on a little. But... The democrats absolutely are in power. It is the democratic governors and mayors who've tactfully used these recent events to try to outplay the republicans before the upcoming elections. Trump wanted to lockdown, eventually, before any of the democrats did. They said he was oppressing people; he was a dictator in the making, etc, etc. Pelosi telling everyone to ignore the warnings and "come on down to Chinatown". Mayor Deblasio urging everyone to ignore what was being said by the medical experts and encouraging mass gatherings etc. Mind, Even Governor Cuomo was a little critical of that. Then, when Trump wanted to reopen (bearing in mind he told the governor of Georgia I think it was, that he was opening his state too soon) the Dems completely turned tail and said that Trump didn't care about people's welfare and that he was endangering the lives of every American. That's all anyone heard from Dems was "keep locked down". Then come the riots and protests. The Dems get behind the protests and encourage more people to get out, even though they still preached lockdown. Chris Cuomo of CNN, Governor Cuomo's brother said live on air "burn it down. Burn it all down". This sentiment was endorsed by people like Pelosi. It was a Democratic mayor that encouraged and endorsed Antifa, the George Brown gun club, BLM and other Communists to cease a 6 block area in Seattle that they named Capital Hill Autonomous Zone (until they bitched out and realised that they couldn't use the word "autonomous" without some serious legal ramifications and named it Capital Hill Occupied Protest). In which the police were chased out, 14 people killed within the zone, businesses and residents within the zone constantly harassed. Ironically, Raz Simone effectively became pseudoTrump, erecting borders, with armed border patrols, ID checks and armed militia within the zone and we're told by Dems to believe it's just hippie dippie summer if love stuff. Then come the rallies. The Dems condemn anyone thinking of attending a Trump rally but encourage more looting, violence, rioting and protests. The Dems have overseen and even stood back and ordered law enforcement to step down whilst statues got pulled down, businesses, homes, private property get destroyed, and people's livelihoods getting ripped from them. Even statues of abolitionists, Union heroes, even people who had nothing to do with slavery or its abolition, the founding fathers all torn down and the Dems encourage it. The Dems have actively supported BLM's calls to defund the police. Even just recently, Mount Rushmore, the Dems are winding people up to believe that even that is racist, Independence Day is racist, and so on. The Dems may not be in government but they are certainly the party with the backing of MSM and social media which, these days is all you need to be powerful. The way the US works is that the president can only do so much on a state level. It falls to the mayor's, then the governors, then the president. The Dems know this. Particularly with the CHAZ thing I think that Trump had a very difficult decision to make but ultimately I think that he made the right choice. Because, the only thing that he could've done at his level was to send the army in and we know how juicy that wouldn't been for the Dems; "look at dictator Trump rolling in the army against these poor innocent protestors". Yup. Are you suggesting Trump isn't racist, just very misunderstood by the media? That when the 'MSM' calls him out on 'alt facts' it's them that is actually wrong? Wow, I'm learning. The MSM and social media constantly spin the narrative against him. I've seen nothing to even suggest that he is racist. I have however seen instances where the media purposefully take things out of context and have been found to be lying continually. CNN, MSNBC, BBC, The Guardian are the worst for this. I'm fact CNN are the ABSOLUTE worst for this. As for social media, Project Veritas exposed a lot. I'm sure that all of the black, brown, Asian and first nation Trump supporters would be able to attest to his lack of racism." I have watched live (unedited) videos of Trump talking and read his verbatim Tweets. I have done the same of his Press Secretaires. They are not spun. They are not interpreted. That point that makes your claim irrelevant if true or not. Any individual who has to continually claim or have others claim that he didn't mean what he actually said or wrote is either lying or incompetent or genuinely stupid. | |||
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"Uk has a much worse death rate that US And UK had much more in its favour Boris has total control Us is all different states and gov Uk is supposed to have a much better health system than US The list goes on as to why the UK should have done much better than US Uk can't point finger and laugh at trump " Nobody is laughing. You will find that those who think that the UK is performing badly also believe that the USA is. Those who feel that the UK is doing fine see no problem in the USA. | |||
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"It's 'boring' criticising a man of such magnificent ineptitude. Inept? I don't think so. Crass, to the point, sometimes uncomfortable to watch for some but, undoubtedly effective. The ineptitude is safely owned by the democrats. The democrats are not in power. I love this thing that everybody does this days. Totally ignore the mess the lot in power have gotten everybody in and somehow look to blame those not in power. What strange times we live in. I think my response may be a case of TL;DR and I don't blame anyone for not reading it. I do go on a little. But... The democrats absolutely are in power. It is the democratic governors and mayors who've tactfully used these recent events to try to outplay the republicans before the upcoming elections. Trump wanted to lockdown, eventually, before any of the democrats did. They said he was oppressing people; he was a dictator in the making, etc, etc. Pelosi telling everyone to ignore the warnings and "come on down to Chinatown". Mayor Deblasio urging everyone to ignore what was being said by the medical experts and encouraging mass gatherings etc. Mind, Even Governor Cuomo was a little critical of that. Then, when Trump wanted to reopen (bearing in mind he told the governor of Georgia I think it was, that he was opening his state too soon) the Dems completely turned tail and said that Trump didn't care about people's welfare and that he was endangering the lives of every American. That's all anyone heard from Dems was "keep locked down". Then come the riots and protests. The Dems get behind the protests and encourage more people to get out, even though they still preached lockdown. Chris Cuomo of CNN, Governor Cuomo's brother said live on air "burn it down. Burn it all down". This sentiment was endorsed by people like Pelosi. It was a Democratic mayor that encouraged and endorsed Antifa, the George Brown gun club, BLM and other Communists to cease a 6 block area in Seattle that they named Capital Hill Autonomous Zone (until they bitched out and realised that they couldn't use the word "autonomous" without some serious legal ramifications and named it Capital Hill Occupied Protest). In which the police were chased out, 14 people killed within the zone, businesses and residents within the zone constantly harassed. Ironically, Raz Simone effectively became pseudoTrump, erecting borders, with armed border patrols, ID checks and armed militia within the zone and we're told by Dems to believe it's just hippie dippie summer if love stuff. Then come the rallies. The Dems condemn anyone thinking of attending a Trump rally but encourage more looting, violence, rioting and protests. The Dems have overseen and even stood back and ordered law enforcement to step down whilst statues got pulled down, businesses, homes, private property get destroyed, and people's livelihoods getting ripped from them. Even statues of abolitionists, Union heroes, even people who had nothing to do with slavery or its abolition, the founding fathers all torn down and the Dems encourage it. The Dems have actively supported BLM's calls to defund the police. Even just recently, Mount Rushmore, the Dems are winding people up to believe that even that is racist, Independence Day is racist, and so on. The Dems may not be in government but they are certainly the party with the backing of MSM and social media which, these days is all you need to be powerful. The way the US works is that the president can only do so much on a state level. It falls to the mayor's, then the governors, then the president. The Dems know this. Particularly with the CHAZ thing I think that Trump had a very difficult decision to make but ultimately I think that he made the right choice. Because, the only thing that he could've done at his level was to send the army in and we know how juicy that wouldn't been for the Dems; "look at dictator Trump rolling in the army against these poor innocent protestors". Yup. Let's make this absolutely clear: You are saying that Donald Trump wanted to lockdown the USA early. That he has been consistently saying that the virus is a serious, life threatening illness. That it requires a significant change in behaviour to reduce transmission. That large gatherings should be discouraged. That states should not be encouraged to open businesses quickly. That he did not say that churches should have been open at Easter. He has demonstrated the importance of mask wearing in public. That the Federal Government has provided clear guidance to States. You are also claiming that only Democrat controlled states have had serious infection problems? Is all of the information that contradicts your view a lie? You are genuinely stating that Trump's leadership has been exemplary as has that of all Republican Governors? I am willing to state that the BLM protests have been bad for disease transmission and that pulling down random statues is not to be encouraged. What Activity by Trump and the Republicans can you accept has been unhelpful in this crisis? Anything at all?" No, not at all. Trump certainly does deserve criticism for not locking down earlier, as do the conservatives here, the Spanish government, to extent the Italian government. However, when he did lockdown he came under fire from the Dems who were encouraging people to not listen to him and to carry on with life as normal, in fact urging then to attend large gatherings. Of course he uses rhetoric often and staying that churches would be open by Easter. It was, I guess,a tactic to give people something to aim for giving them hope. I didn't agree with it though. I'm not aiming to put Trump on a pedestal. What I'm saying is that, as far as the Dems and the media go, he can't do right for doing wrong. Which ultimately suits him as it keeps him in the news and the news loves it because, well...it keeps him in the news. In fact the Dems go out of their way to make sure anything that trump purposes is undermined. | |||
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"Uk has a much worse death rate that US And UK had much more in its favour Boris has total control Us is all different states and gov Uk is supposed to have a much better health system than US The list goes on as to why the UK should have done much better than US Uk can't point finger and laugh at trump Nobody is laughing. You will find that those who think that the UK is performing badly also believe that the USA is. Those who feel that the UK is doing fine see no problem in the USA." This whole thread and many others here are pointing the finger at trump And I don't believe that anybody in the UK thinks UK has done fine Highest death toll in world Belgium is an outlier as it houses EU parliament so people from world over flying in and out | |||
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"The MSM and social media constantly spin the narrative against him. " so he is the victim now... gotcha!!! "I've seen nothing to even suggest that he is racist." i am going to go all "meme" here...... wut????? i am having some orange juice with my breakfast.. you made me spit it out!! would you like me to start with the house discrimination case... or the central park 5... or birtherism... or charlottesville... or shithole countries... or the peaceful kaepernick protests... or the go back to where they come from... or all the tweets he has retweeted from david duke and katie hopkins thru to britain first! "I have however seen instances where the media purposefully take things out of context and have been found to be lying continually. CNN, MSNBC, BBC, The Guardian are the worst for this. I'm fact CNN are the ABSOLUTE worst for this." remember this is the same trump that has managed In 1,226 days, President Trump has made 19,128 false or misleading claims "As for social media, Project Veritas exposed a lot." Much of the funding for Project Veritas comes from anonymous donations through Donors Trust, a conservative, American nonprofit donor-advised fund backed by the Koch brothers,Prominent donors have included the Trump Foundation, which donated $10,000 in May 2015 "I'm sure that all of the black, brown, Asian and first nation Trump supporters would be able to attest to his lack of racism." all 5 of them must be pissed...... | |||
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"It's 'boring' criticising a man of such magnificent ineptitude. Inept? I don't think so. Crass, to the point, sometimes uncomfortable to watch for some but, undoubtedly effective. The ineptitude is safely owned by the democrats. The democrats are not in power. I love this thing that everybody does this days. Totally ignore the mess the lot in power have gotten everybody in and somehow look to blame those not in power. What strange times we live in. I think my response may be a case of TL;DR and I don't blame anyone for not reading it. I do go on a little. But... The democrats absolutely are in power. It is the democratic governors and mayors who've tactfully used these recent events to try to outplay the republicans before the upcoming elections. Trump wanted to lockdown, eventually, before any of the democrats did. They said he was oppressing people; he was a dictator in the making, etc, etc. Pelosi telling everyone to ignore the warnings and "come on down to Chinatown". Mayor Deblasio urging everyone to ignore what was being said by the medical experts and encouraging mass gatherings etc. Mind, Even Governor Cuomo was a little critical of that. Then, when Trump wanted to reopen (bearing in mind he told the governor of Georgia I think it was, that he was opening his state too soon) the Dems completely turned tail and said that Trump didn't care about people's welfare and that he was endangering the lives of every American. That's all anyone heard from Dems was "keep locked down". Then come the riots and protests. The Dems get behind the protests and encourage more people to get out, even though they still preached lockdown. Chris Cuomo of CNN, Governor Cuomo's brother said live on air "burn it down. Burn it all down". This sentiment was endorsed by people like Pelosi. It was a Democratic mayor that encouraged and endorsed Antifa, the George Brown gun club, BLM and other Communists to cease a 6 block area in Seattle that they named Capital Hill Autonomous Zone (until they bitched out and realised that they couldn't use the word "autonomous" without some serious legal ramifications and named it Capital Hill Occupied Protest). In which the police were chased out, 14 people killed within the zone, businesses and residents within the zone constantly harassed. Ironically, Raz Simone effectively became pseudoTrump, erecting borders, with armed border patrols, ID checks and armed militia within the zone and we're told by Dems to believe it's just hippie dippie summer if love stuff. Then come the rallies. The Dems condemn anyone thinking of attending a Trump rally but encourage more looting, violence, rioting and protests. The Dems have overseen and even stood back and ordered law enforcement to step down whilst statues got pulled down, businesses, homes, private property get destroyed, and people's livelihoods getting ripped from them. Even statues of abolitionists, Union heroes, even people who had nothing to do with slavery or its abolition, the founding fathers all torn down and the Dems encourage it. The Dems have actively supported BLM's calls to defund the police. Even just recently, Mount Rushmore, the Dems are winding people up to believe that even that is racist, Independence Day is racist, and so on. The Dems may not be in government but they are certainly the party with the backing of MSM and social media which, these days is all you need to be powerful. The way the US works is that the president can only do so much on a state level. It falls to the mayor's, then the governors, then the president. The Dems know this. Particularly with the CHAZ thing I think that Trump had a very difficult decision to make but ultimately I think that he made the right choice. Because, the only thing that he could've done at his level was to send the army in and we know how juicy that wouldn't been for the Dems; "look at dictator Trump rolling in the army against these poor innocent protestors". Yup. Let's make this absolutely clear: You are saying that Donald Trump wanted to lockdown the USA early. That he has been consistently saying that the virus is a serious, life threatening illness. That it requires a significant change in behaviour to reduce transmission. That large gatherings should be discouraged. That states should not be encouraged to open businesses quickly. That he did not say that churches should have been open at Easter. He has demonstrated the importance of mask wearing in public. That the Federal Government has provided clear guidance to States. You are also claiming that only Democrat controlled states have had serious infection problems? Is all of the information that contradicts your view a lie? You are genuinely stating that Trump's leadership has been exemplary as has that of all Republican Governors? I am willing to state that the BLM protests have been bad for disease transmission and that pulling down random statues is not to be encouraged. What Activity by Trump and the Republicans can you accept has been unhelpful in this crisis? Anything at all? No, not at all. Trump certainly does deserve criticism for not locking down earlier, as do the conservatives here, the Spanish government, to extent the Italian government. However, when he did lockdown he came under fire from the Dems who were encouraging people to not listen to him and to carry on with life as normal, in fact urging then to attend large gatherings. Of course he uses rhetoric often and staying that churches would be open by Easter. It was, I guess,a tactic to give people something to aim for giving them hope. I didn't agree with it though. I'm not aiming to put Trump on a pedestal. What I'm saying is that, as far as the Dems and the media go, he can't do right for doing wrong. Which ultimately suits him as it keeps him in the news and the news loves it because, well...it keeps him in the news. In fact the Dems go out of their way to make sure anything that trump purposes is undermined." You make assertions without any evidence. When did Trump order or recommend or support a lockdown? Please provide a date and a quote. Which Democrat leaders "were encouraging people to not listen to him and to carry on with life as normal"? Again please provide a date and quote. What has Trump done that has been "undermined" by the Democrats? Other than the fact that they are the opposition. Do you feel that they have acted significantly differently to the Republican party with Obama? | |||
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