FabSwingers.com forum: White lives matter banner at Burnley.

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It seems that a "White lives matter banner" is being investigated as "racist" yet black lives matter (which I fully support) is not.

Is everyone else as puzzled as me?

Sensible comments please....don't descend into rants and get yourselves banned.

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over a year ago

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"It seems that a "White lives matter banner" is being investigated as "racist" yet black lives matter (which I fully support) is not.

Is everyone else as puzzled as me?

Sensible comments please....don't descend into rants and get yourselves banned."

I dont know about racist but its probally provocative and they do have a bit of history there.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

a) it shows the fundemental misunderstanding of the who "black lives matter" movement and protests...

b) it shows the whataboutism because they will point at it being about the grooming gangs by asian men..... which again nothing to do with the BLM movement!

c) if i was going to bet my house on which set of fans would have done this... it would have been burnley!!! (chelsea fans would have been a close 2nd!)

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By *rystal Tipps - AlistairCouple
over a year ago

livingston

Police are looking into it to see if there are any crime being committed, WTF has happened to freedom of speech and the attacks on white people not being covered in the same manner by the media are actually going to cause more people to turn into racists.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Police are looking into it to see if there are any crime being committed, WTF has happened to freedom of speech and the attacks on white people not being covered in the same manner by the media are actually going to cause more people to turn into racists.

You mean like the attack at the wend which has received wall to wall coverage?

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By *uboCouple
over a year ago

East kilbride

Here was me thinking that ALL lives matter.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Here was me thinking that ALL lives matter."

exactly....

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Here was me thinking that ALL lives matter.

exactly...."

but when your house is on fire you don't turn around and dismiss it by saying "all houses matter"....

if you someone has breast cancer ... you don't turn around around and dismiss it by saying "well... all cancers matter!!!"

so wonder why so many white people are so threatened by the "black lives matter" movement.... unless its a tacit admission that you are acknowledging that things aren't the same for both of us! and it mean that if one group if lifted up than the other group loses out....

it never meant "ONLY black lives matter" it means "black lives matter AS WELL" and at this point if that scares you.... then you are part of the problem!!

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Irrespective of how people feel about lives mattering. It was a twattish thing to do designed to provoke a certain player.

The WhatsApp transcript has been leaked if you know where to find it.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"Here was me thinking that ALL lives matter.

exactly...."

This has been explained so many times.

I think people still "confused" on this are just pretending. They know full well what the phrase 'black lives matter' means. They just can't stand seeing a conversation and a cause that isn't about them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds like a needless waste of cloth and paint. Immature attention seeking at best and provoking at worst.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

Whether you agree with it or not whether you agree with the blm causecor not the banner didnt incite violence or hate it was three words that can be interpreted in different ways, I thought we had free speech in this country, those who are up in arms about it only need to look back at posts on this site about some of the worlds politicians and see the hate being spouted, yet they would claim that's ok because of free speech

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By *rumalexMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

the guys that flew the banner knew it was provocative, that was the intention.

We all know the black lives matter and all lives matter narrative, and i cant be assed to go into it, its been explained many times on here before.

whilst the sign isn't illegal it wasn't a clever thing to do really.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"It seems that a "White lives matter banner" is being investigated as "racist" yet black lives matter (which I fully support) is not.

Is everyone else as puzzled as me?

Sensible comments please....don't descend into rants and get yourselves banned."

I mentioned this on another thread that was about the BLM.

I said then that such a statement runs the risk of being divisive. I'm more for all lives matter equally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here was me thinking that ALL lives matter.

exactly....

but when your house is on fire you don't turn around and dismiss it by saying "all houses matter"....

if you someone has breast cancer ... you don't turn around around and dismiss it by saying "well... all cancers matter!!!"

it never meant "ONLY black lives matter" it means "black lives matter AS WELL" and at this point if that scares you.... then you are part of the problem!!"

That's it Fabio, nail on head. Being a white bloke, I don't feel threatened by 'black lives matter'. I just see it for what it is, an age old inequality that needs levelling up. What's so wrong with that??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It seems that a "White lives matter banner" is being investigated as "racist" yet black lives matter (which I fully support) is not.

Is everyone else as puzzled as me?

Sensible comments please....don't descend into rants and get yourselves banned.

I mentioned this on another thread that was about the BLM.

I said then that such a statement runs the risk of being divisive. I'm more for all lives matter equally."

Yes, all lives matter. Trouble is that is a slogan for a world we do not currently inhabit. BLM has arisen because of the obvious inequality faced by people everyday.

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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"It seems that a "White lives matter banner" is being investigated as "racist" yet black lives matter (which I fully support) is not.

Is everyone else as puzzled as me?

Sensible comments please....don't descend into rants and get yourselves banned.

I mentioned this on another thread that was about the BLM.

I said then that such a statement runs the risk of being divisive. I'm more for all lives matter equally.

Yes, all lives matter. Trouble is that is a slogan for a world we do not currently inhabit. BLM has arisen because of the obvious inequality faced by people everyday. "

Inequality for sure hence why I always say all lives matter equally. In my opinion as someone who has seen a real decline in my experiences with others since this started I feel this needs to be addressed as a single society regardless of colour without leaving anyone behind.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Here was me thinking that ALL lives matter.

exactly....

but when your house is on fire you don't turn around and dismiss it by saying "all houses matter"....

if you someone has breast cancer ... you don't turn around around and dismiss it by saying "well... all cancers matter!!!"

it never meant "ONLY black lives matter" it means "black lives matter AS WELL" and at this point if that scares you.... then you are part of the problem!!"

People need to realise that asians and Jews being repressed doesn't matter as much as black people being repressed. It's not rocket science!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Here was me thinking that ALL lives matter.

exactly....

but when your house is on fire you don't turn around and dismiss it by saying "all houses matter"....

if you someone has breast cancer ... you don't turn around around and dismiss it by saying "well... all cancers matter!!!"

it never meant "ONLY black lives matter" it means "black lives matter AS WELL" and at this point if that scares you.... then you are part of the problem!!

People need to realise that asians and Jews being repressed doesn't matter as much as black people being repressed. It's not rocket science!

As far as I know, Jews are rarely shot by police in America for being Jewish or many Asians for that matter. Just say it mate, you don't see racism as a problem.

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

"It seems that a "White lives matter banner" is being investigated as "racist" yet black lives matter (which I fully support) is not.

Is everyone else as puzzled as me?

Sensible comments please....don't descend into rants and get yourselves banned."

I see on the news the police are investigating if this was illegal. Is it the actual flight that is illegal- Maybe private planes not allowed over stadiums or is it the words on the banner that are illegal. If not the flight what law are they checking?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Here was me thinking that ALL lives matter.

exactly....

but when your house is on fire you don't turn around and dismiss it by saying "all houses matter"....

if you someone has breast cancer ... you don't turn around around and dismiss it by saying "well... all cancers matter!!!"

it never meant "ONLY black lives matter" it means "black lives matter AS WELL" and at this point if that scares you.... then you are part of the problem!!

People need to realise that asians and Jews being repressed doesn't matter as much as black people being repressed. It's not rocket science!

As far as I know, Jews are rarely shot by police in America for being Jewish or many Asians for that matter. Just say it mate, you don't see racism as a problem."

Maybe they watched this...

https://youtu.be/uj0mtxXEGE8

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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago

newcastle

"Here was me thinking that ALL lives matter.

exactly....

but when your house is on fire you don't turn around and dismiss it by saying "all houses matter"....

if you someone has breast cancer ... you don't turn around around and dismiss it by saying "well... all cancers matter!!!"

it never meant "ONLY black lives matter" it means "black lives matter AS WELL" and at this point if that scares you.... then you are part of the problem!!"

A posting I saw somewhere else went;

Black lives Matter can also infer that other lives don't matter. Which is divisive and threatening.

Why was the slogan not "Black lives are equal" which can only be interpreted one way.

This would have attracted more support for their cause I would have said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I hope they publish the name of the person who stumped up around £700 for it, and I bet the pilot is going to be in for some shit!

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Here was me thinking that ALL lives matter.

exactly....

but when your house is on fire you don't turn around and dismiss it by saying "all houses matter"....

if you someone has breast cancer ... you don't turn around around and dismiss it by saying "well... all cancers matter!!!"

it never meant "ONLY black lives matter" it means "black lives matter AS WELL" and at this point if that scares you.... then you are part of the problem!!

A posting I saw somewhere else went;

Black lives Matter can also infer that other lives don't matter. Which is divisive and threatening.

Why was the slogan not "Black lives are equal" which can only be interpreted one way.

This would have attracted more support for their cause I would have said."

Clearly people of other races being killed by American police doesn't matter. "Only black lives matter".

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Here was me thinking that ALL lives matter.

exactly....

but when your house is on fire you don't turn around and dismiss it by saying "all houses matter"....

if you someone has breast cancer ... you don't turn around around and dismiss it by saying "well... all cancers matter!!!"

it never meant "ONLY black lives matter" it means "black lives matter AS WELL" and at this point if that scares you.... then you are part of the problem!!

A posting I saw somewhere else went;

Black lives Matter can also infer that other lives don't matter. Which is divisive and threatening.

Why was the slogan not "Black lives are equal" which can only be interpreted one way.

This would have attracted more support for their cause I would have said."

It's only divisive if you support those whom the movement is opposed to, the far right and racism per se..

As for 'threatening', don't let the actions of a minority affect the message which on the whole has been peaceful..

Unlike the maggots of the edl, Britain first who turned up to attack anyone and the police became a target..

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Clearly people of other races being killed by American police doesn't matter. "Only black lives matter"."

you are really doing my nut here... so lets try this again slowly..... really slowly!!

1) no one said "only black lives matter"

2) no one ever said "white lives don't matter"

3) You're just perveting something that makes you uncomfortable, and then being selfish, because you can't empathize with other people's challenges that don't directly relate to you.

(Which is sad.)

4) if this leads to reforms in policing then that helps EVERYONE.....

No more C hokeholds helps EVERYONE

no knock warrants helps EVERYONE

more community lead initiatives helps EVERYONE

more inclusivity helps EVERYONE

5) let me repeat 2+3 again (clever huh!)..... No one said that white lives didn't matter. You're just perveting something that makes you uncomfortable, and then being selfish, because you can't empathize with other people's challenges that don't directly relate to you.

(Which is sad.)

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Clearly people of other races being killed by American police doesn't matter. "Only black lives matter".

you are really doing my nut here... so lets try this again slowly..... really slowly!!

1) no one said "only black lives matter"

2) no one ever said "white lives don't matter"

3) You're just perveting something that makes you uncomfortable, and then being selfish, because you can't empathize with other people's challenges that don't directly relate to you.

(Which is sad.)

4) if this leads to reforms in policing then that helps EVERYONE.....

No more C hokeholds helps EVERYONE

no knock warrants helps EVERYONE

more community lead initiatives helps EVERYONE

more inclusivity helps EVERYONE

(Which is sad.) "

Why would no knocks warrants help everyone?

I mean they would certainly help drug dealers.

Why do they want to get rid of them?

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

I think people are up in arms because the banner has been condemned and can’t understand why it’s ok for blm to be on the backs of shirts but it’s not ok to fly a banner personally I think it was to cause a stir which it has but has it broken any laws ? Personally it was a stunt to probably wind people up maybe the pilot should of known better I’d imagine he knew what was on it be prepared for more stuff like this

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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago

newcastle

Clearly people of other races being killed by American police doesn't matter. "Only black lives matter".

you are really doing my nut here... so lets try this again slowly..... really slowly!!

1) no one said "only black lives matter"

2) no one ever said "white lives don't matter"

3) You're just perveting something that makes you uncomfortable, and then being selfish, because you can't empathize with other people's challenges that don't directly relate to you.

(Which is sad.)

4) if this leads to reforms in policing then that helps EVERYONE.....

No more C hokeholds helps EVERYONE

no knock warrants helps EVERYONE

more community lead initiatives helps EVERYONE

more inclusivity helps EVERYONE

(Which is sad.) "

Then Fabio, would you not agree that having the slogan "Black lives are equal" would have solved all the "you don't understand" arguments ?

Black lives Matter is a slogan that puts some peoples backs up.

Black lives are Equal is a slogan that no-one could argue with unless they wanted to show themselves as out and out racists.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Why would no knocks warrants help everyone?

I mean they would certainly help drug dealers.

Why do they want to get rid of them?

look up the case of breonna taylor.....

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Why would no knocks warrants help everyone?

I mean they would certainly help drug dealers.

Why do they want to get rid of them?

look up the case of breonna taylor....."

I’m well aware of her and her boyfriend.

So why get rid of them completely?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Black lives matter and the slogan stands because they haven't as much as white and still don't. How hard can that possibly be to understand?? I'm really sorry, but any problems somebody has with this, well,it can only be racism so engrained that they can't see it or can't admit it.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"I think people are up in arms because the banner has been condemned and can’t understand why it’s ok for blm to be on the backs of shirts but it’s not ok to fly a banner personally I think it was to cause a stir which it has but has it broken any laws ? Personally it was a stunt to probably wind people up maybe the pilot should of known better I’d imagine he knew what was on it be prepared for more stuff like this "

It was designed to get under the skin (for want of a better word sorry) of a certain player and tried to time it for when they took a knee.

Again for want of a better word a very cuntish thing to do.

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

So what law has been broken or possibly broken.

Black life's matter

White life's matter

All life's matter

Are any of those quotes illegal?

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

So what law has been broken or possibly broken.

Black life's matter

White life's matter

All life's matter

Are any of those quotes illegal?"
I never said a law has been broken I simply said has a law been broken

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

So what law has been broken or possibly broken.

Black life's matter

White life's matter

All life's matter

Are any of those quotes illegal?"

I think there is a scramble to find one. Doubt much will happen.

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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago

newcastle

Clearly people of other races being killed by American police doesn't matter. "Only black lives matter".

you are really doing my nut here... so lets try this again slowly..... really slowly!!

1) no one said "only black lives matter"

2) no one ever said "white lives don't matter"

3) You're just perveting something that makes you uncomfortable, and then being selfish, because you can't empathize with other people's challenges that don't directly relate to you.

(Which is sad.)

4) if this leads to reforms in policing then that helps EVERYONE.....

No more C hokeholds helps EVERYONE

no knock warrants helps EVERYONE

more community lead initiatives helps EVERYONE

more inclusivity helps EVERYONE

(Which is sad.)

Then Fabio, would you not agree that having the slogan "Black lives are equal" would have solved all the "you don't understand" arguments ?

Black lives Matter is a slogan that puts some peoples backs up.

Black lives are Equal is a slogan that no-one could argue with unless they wanted to show themselves as out and out racists.

Come on Fabio, you answered loads of other posts but ignored this, why ?

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

So what law has been broken or possibly broken.

Black life's matter

White life's matter

All life's matter

Are any of those quotes illegal? I never said a law has been broken I simply said has a law been broken "

Fully understand and was not a post complaining. Further up I was trying to discover if anyone knew what law is being investigated as on the news they said police are checking if it was illegal. If the quotes are legal I was thinking maybe it was flying over a stadium that was illegal.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Then Fabio, would you not agree that having the slogan "Black lives are equal" would have solved all the "you don't understand" arguments ?

Black lives Matter is a slogan that puts some peoples backs up.

Black lives are Equal is a slogan that no-one could argue with unless they wanted to show themselves as out and out racists.

"black lives are equal" is the aspiration... are we anywhere near that... not even close!

I think it is interesting that on Windrush Day (yesterday) CNN did a massive poll in regards to perceived attitudes in the uk

have a read.... it might take you 5-10 minutes, but its an eyeopener into how we see things differently...

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/06/europe/britain-racism-cnn-poll-gbr-intl/

i think what this kinda does is shock people into have uncomfortable conversations.... we have tried it a million other ways and it seems that its always either in one ear and out the other, or "now" is never the time to have the conversation......

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

Then Fabio, would you not agree that having the slogan "Black lives are equal" would have solved all the "you don't understand" arguments ?

Black lives Matter is a slogan that puts some peoples backs up.

Black lives are Equal is a slogan that no-one could argue with unless they wanted to show themselves as out and out racists.

"black lives are equal" is the aspiration... are we anywhere near that... not even close!

I think it is interesting that on Windrush Day (yesterday) CNN did a massive poll in regards to perceived attitudes in the uk

have a read.... it might take you 5-10 minutes, but its an eyeopener into how we see things differently...

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/06/europe/britain-racism-cnn-poll-gbr-intl/

If " black lives are equal" is the aspiration ( which I fully agree with) why not make it the slogan as others have mentioned

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

The lad who organised it is apparently a member of the edl and is part of one of the funniest football firms names ever..The Burnley suicide squad.

Superb

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

When three white people get murdered in Reading, most people just shrug their shoulders and say how awful.

Why the difference, do not their lives matter?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"When three white people get murdered in Reading, most people just shrug their shoulders and say how awful.

Why the difference, do not their lives matter? "

I'm fairly sure it made a headline or 2?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"The lad who organised it is apparently a member of the edl and is part of one of the funniest football firms names ever..The Burnley suicide squad.

Superb

did you not see the picture of the fella hugging tommy robinson....

i think it is interesting those not condoning the stunt... because looking at the fella's background i am guessing that his views and intention on the banner is actually more extreme that what those people agruing his right to do it are.... irony people the same people who scream from the houses they are not the same as the person fronting it!

what we basically have is people condoning a "katie hopkins" viewpoint but then trying to insist they are nothing like "katie"......

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"When three white people get murdered in Reading, most people just shrug their shoulders and say how awful.

Why the difference, do not their lives matter? "

yes their lives do matter... I absolutely think its horrific they were killed in what looks like it was a terrorist attack!

that fact you want to compare a terrorist attack to the BLM protests is to me equally as horrific!!!!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The lad who organised it is apparently a member of the edl and is part of one of the funniest football firms names ever..The Burnley suicide squad.

Superb

did you not see the picture of the fella hugging tommy robinson....

what we basically have is people condoning a "katie hopkins" viewpoint but then trying to insist they are nothing like "katie"......"

The soft cunt has got all racist tweets out there aswell.

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

"When three white people get murdered in Reading, most people just shrug their shoulders and say how awful.

Why the difference, do not their lives matter?

I'm fairly sure it made a headline or 2?"

Exactly a headline or two for a couple of days. Not almost every day for a month.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"When three white people get murdered in Reading, most people just shrug their shoulders and say how awful.

Why the difference, do not their lives matter?

I'm fairly sure it made a headline or 2?

Exactly a headline or two for a couple of days. Not almost every day for a month. "

The blm headlines havemt all Been about the death of 1 man.

That triggered it..but it was followed up protests,statues being pulled down,counter riots etc has meant the story has stayed newsworthy.

The idea that the media 'ignore'white deaths in this country is quite frankly ludicrous.

Look at maddie McCann

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

derby

"Here was me thinking that ALL lives matter.

exactly....

but when your house is on fire you don't turn around and dismiss it by saying "all houses matter"....

if you someone has breast cancer ... you don't turn around around and dismiss it by saying "well... all cancers matter!!!"

it never meant "ONLY black lives matter" it means "black lives matter AS WELL" and at this point if that scares you.... then you are part of the problem!!"

Fabio can I ask you what you feel is needed because I don't think another enquiry will change anything

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

"When three white people get murdered in Reading, most people just shrug their shoulders and say how awful.

Why the difference, do not their lives matter?

I'm fairly sure it made a headline or 2?

Exactly a headline or two for a couple of days. Not almost every day for a month.

The blm headlines havemt all Been about the death of 1 man.

That triggered it..but it was followed up protests,statues being pulled down,counter riots etc has meant the story has stayed newsworthy.

The idea that the media 'ignore'white deaths in this country is quite frankly ludicrous.

Look at maddie McCann

Maddie McCann reporting had nothing to do with the colour of her skin. It was due to the fact she was a pretty young girl (toddler) who had been left on her own and the investigation was useless.

The press don't ignore the death of white people, it just doesn't get as much attention as the murder of a black person. To be honest that's probably a fault of the press rather than anyone being racist.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"When three white people get murdered in Reading, most people just shrug their shoulders and say how awful.

Why the difference, do not their lives matter?

I'm fairly sure it made a headline or 2?

Exactly a headline or two for a couple of days. Not almost every day for a month.

The blm headlines havemt all Been about the death of 1 man.

That triggered it..but it was followed up protests,statues being pulled down,counter riots etc has meant the story has stayed newsworthy.

The idea that the media 'ignore'white deaths in this country is quite frankly ludicrous.

Look at maddie McCann

Maddie McCann reporting had nothing to do with the colour of her skin. It was due to the fact she was a pretty young girl (toddler) who had been left on her own and the investigation was useless.

A pretty young white girl?

So you think we have an overly anti racist press in this country?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Why should black people be policed in a different way to other races?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Why should black people be policed in a different way to other races?"

Is anyone saying they should?

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

"The lad who organised it is apparently a member of the edl and is part of one of the funniest football firms names ever..The Burnley suicide squad.

Superb

did you not see the picture of the fella hugging tommy robinson....

what we basically have is people condoning a "katie hopkins" viewpoint but then trying to insist they are nothing like "katie"......"

Are you saying that asking about the legality or illegality of the event is racist.

Was the flight illegal or the banner or of course both

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

So what law has been broken or possibly broken.

Black life's matter

White life's matter

All life's matter

Are any of those quotes illegal? I never said a law has been broken I simply said has a law been broken

No crime committed as per the news just now.

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

"When three white people get murdered in Reading, most people just shrug their shoulders and say how awful.

Why the difference, do not their lives matter?

I'm fairly sure it made a headline or 2?

Exactly a headline or two for a couple of days. Not almost every day for a month.

The blm headlines havemt all Been about the death of 1 man.

That triggered it..but it was followed up protests,statues being pulled down,counter riots etc has meant the story has stayed newsworthy.

The idea that the media 'ignore'white deaths in this country is quite frankly ludicrous.

Look at maddie McCann

Maddie McCann reporting had nothing to do with the colour of her skin. It was due to the fact she was a pretty young girl (toddler) who had been left on her own and the investigation was useless.

A pretty young white girl?

So you think we have an overly anti racist press in this country?"

As I said with the McCann girl, the colour of her skin didn't make any difference to the press. It was the situation that led to the amount of press coverage and I'm sure it would have been the same if it had been a black girl.

I'm not sure what you mean by the last question?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

So what law has been broken or possibly broken.

Black life's matter

White life's matter

All life's matter

Are any of those quotes illegal? I never said a law has been broken I simply said has a law been broken

No crime committed as per the news just now. "

Yep just saw that

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"When three white people get murdered in Reading, most people just shrug their shoulders and say how awful.

Why the difference, do not their lives matter?

I'm fairly sure it made a headline or 2?

Exactly a headline or two for a couple of days. Not almost every day for a month.

The blm headlines havemt all Been about the death of 1 man.

That triggered it..but it was followed up protests,statues being pulled down,counter riots etc has meant the story has stayed newsworthy.

The idea that the media 'ignore'white deaths in this country is quite frankly ludicrous.

Look at maddie McCann

Maddie McCann reporting had nothing to do with the colour of her skin. It was due to the fact she was a pretty young girl (toddler) who had been left on her own and the investigation was useless.

Friends of Tony Blair... not short of a bob or two, high profile press case because of the circumstances and conspiracy surrounding the case.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

So what law has been broken or possibly broken.

Black life's matter

White life's matter

All life's matter

Are any of those quotes illegal? I never said a law has been broken I simply said has a law been broken

No crime committed as per the news just now. "

The catalyst maybe to make saying "white lives matter" a hate crime. Could be interesting...

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"When three white people get murdered in Reading, most people just shrug their shoulders and say how awful.

Why the difference, do not their lives matter?

I'm fairly sure it made a headline or 2?

Exactly a headline or two for a couple of days. Not almost every day for a month.

The blm headlines havemt all Been about the death of 1 man.

That triggered it..but it was followed up protests,statues being pulled down,counter riots etc has meant the story has stayed newsworthy.

The idea that the media 'ignore'white deaths in this country is quite frankly ludicrous.

Look at maddie McCann

Maddie McCann reporting had nothing to do with the colour of her skin. It was due to the fact she was a pretty young girl (toddler) who had been left on her own and the investigation was useless.

A pretty young white girl?

So you think we have an overly anti racist press in this country?

I'm not sure what you mean by the last question? "

You seem to be saying black deaths get a lot more coverage in this country than white ones?

Which would imply that you think the media in this country is..how do I put this..overly sympathetic to non whites?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Fabio can I ask you what you feel is needed because I don't think another enquiry will change anything"

There are 35 recommendations in the Lammy report on inequality in the criminal justice system.

There are 110 specific recommendations in the Angiolini review about disproportionality in deaths in custody.

There are 30 recommendations in Wendy Williams’s review about the Home Office’s failure in the Windrush scandal.

There are 26 specific recommendations in Ruby McGregor-Smith’s review about discrimination in the workplace.

the government accepted all the recommendations in the reports in full with no arguements....

number of those actually recommendations implemented..... 0!!!!!

none.... nada... zero

so.. and i know this is radical.. home about we implement all those recommendations in full first!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"When three white people get murdered in Reading, most people just shrug their shoulders and say how awful.

Why the difference, do not their lives matter?

I'm fairly sure it made a headline or 2?

Exactly a headline or two for a couple of days. Not almost every day for a month.

The blm headlines havemt all Been about the death of 1 man.

That triggered it..but it was followed up protests,statues being pulled down,counter riots etc has meant the story has stayed newsworthy.

The idea that the media 'ignore'white deaths in this country is quite frankly ludicrous.

Look at maddie McCann

Maddie McCann reporting had nothing to do with the colour of her skin. It was due to the fact she was a pretty young girl (toddler) who had been left on her own and the investigation was useless.

Friends of Tony Blair... not short of a bob or two, high profile press case because of the circumstances and conspiracy surrounding the case. "

Friends of Tony blair?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

So what law has been broken or possibly broken.

Black life's matter

White life's matter

All life's matter

Are any of those quotes illegal? I never said a law has been broken I simply said has a law been broken

No crime committed as per the news just now.

The catalyst maybe to make saying "white lives matter" a hate crime. Could be interesting..."

Well seeing as they have decided no crime has been committed

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

So what law has been broken or possibly broken.

Black life's matter

White life's matter

All life's matter

Are any of those quotes illegal? I never said a law has been broken I simply said has a law been broken

No crime committed as per the news just now.

Yep just saw that"

So no crime committed in the end after all that

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

So what law has been broken or possibly broken.

Black life's matter

White life's matter

All life's matter

Are any of those quotes illegal? I never said a law has been broken I simply said has a law been broken

No crime committed as per the news just now.

Yep just saw that

So no crime committed in the end after all that"

Nope.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Here was me thinking that ALL lives matter.

exactly....

but when your house is on fire you don't turn around and dismiss it by saying "all houses matter"....

if you someone has breast cancer ... you don't turn around around and dismiss it by saying "well... all cancers matter!!!"

it never meant "ONLY black lives matter" it means "black lives matter AS WELL" and at this point if that scares you.... then you are part of the problem!!"

Fabio

Beautifully put

I will be repeating these words

Thread over In my opinion

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

"When three white people get murdered in Reading, most people just shrug their shoulders and say how awful.

Why the difference, do not their lives matter?

I'm fairly sure it made a headline or 2?

Exactly a headline or two for a couple of days. Not almost every day for a month.

The blm headlines havemt all Been about the death of 1 man.

That triggered it..but it was followed up protests,statues being pulled down,counter riots etc has meant the story has stayed newsworthy.

The idea that the media 'ignore'white deaths in this country is quite frankly ludicrous.

Look at maddie McCann

Maddie McCann reporting had nothing to do with the colour of her skin. It was due to the fact she was a pretty young girl (toddler) who had been left on her own and the investigation was useless.

A pretty young white girl?

So you think we have an overly anti racist press in this country?

I'm not sure what you mean by the last question?

You seem to be saying black deaths get a lot more coverage in this country than white ones?

Which would imply that you think the media in this country is..how do I put this..overly sympathetic to non whites?"

I would actually agree with that to be honest. Its only my opinion as I see it at the moment.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Here was me thinking that ALL lives matter.

exactly....

but when your house is on fire you don't turn around and dismiss it by saying "all houses matter"....

if you someone has breast cancer ... you don't turn around around and dismiss it by saying "well... all cancers matter!!!"

it never meant "ONLY black lives matter" it means "black lives matter AS WELL" and at this point if that scares you.... then you are part of the problem!!"
All lives matter

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

So what law has been broken or possibly broken.

Black life's matter

White life's matter

All life's matter

Are any of those quotes illegal?"

Explains why no one answered the above question

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

So what law has been broken or possibly broken.

Black life's matter

White life's matter

All life's matter

Are any of those quotes illegal? I never said a law has been broken I simply said has a law been broken

No crime committed as per the news just now.

The catalyst maybe to make saying "white lives matter" a hate crime. Could be interesting...

Well seeing as they have decided no crime has been committed"

Hmm, maybe you don't understand what a "catalyst" is?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"When three white people get murdered in Reading, most people just shrug their shoulders and say how awful.

Why the difference, do not their lives matter?

I'm fairly sure it made a headline or 2?

Exactly a headline or two for a couple of days. Not almost every day for a month.

The blm headlines havemt all Been about the death of 1 man.

That triggered it..but it was followed up protests,statues being pulled down,counter riots etc has meant the story has stayed newsworthy.

The idea that the media 'ignore'white deaths in this country is quite frankly ludicrous.

Look at maddie McCann

Maddie McCann reporting had nothing to do with the colour of her skin. It was due to the fact she was a pretty young girl (toddler) who had been left on her own and the investigation was useless.

A pretty young white girl?

So you think we have an overly anti racist press in this country?

I'm not sure what you mean by the last question?

You seem to be saying black deaths get a lot more coverage in this country than white ones?

Which would imply that you think the media in this country is..how do I put this..overly sympathetic to non whites?

I would actually agree with that to be honest. Its only my opinion as I see it at the moment. "

You honestly think the likes of the mail,the Express,the sun,the star etc are overly anti racist?

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

So what law has been broken or possibly broken.

Black life's matter

White life's matter

All life's matter

Are any of those quotes illegal? I never said a law has been broken I simply said has a law been broken

No crime committed as per the news just now.

The catalyst maybe to make saying "white lives matter" a hate crime. Could be interesting..."

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

So what law has been broken or possibly broken.

Black life's matter

White life's matter

All life's matter

Are any of those quotes illegal?

Explains why no one answered the above question"

I dont think any of the above quotes are illegal..hence why no charges have been made.

I think hiring a plane with the words white lives matter was certainly provocative,which was why it was investigated?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

So what law has been broken or possibly broken.

Black life's matter

White life's matter

All life's matter

Are any of those quotes illegal? I never said a law has been broken I simply said has a law been broken

No crime committed as per the news just now.

The catalyst maybe to make saying "white lives matter" a hate crime. Could be interesting...

Well seeing as they have decided no crime has been committed

Hmm, maybe you don't understand what a "catalyst" is?"

I think I do and when someone is arrested for saying white lives matter as a hate crime I'll get back to you.

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

So what law has been broken or possibly broken.

Black life's matter

White life's matter

All life's matter

Are any of those quotes illegal?

Explains why no one answered the above question

I dont think any of the above quotes are illegal..hence why no charges have been made.

I think hiring a plane with the words white lives matter was certainly provocative,which was why it was investigated?"

Investigated for being provocative?

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Black lives do matter... To anyone..

Please explain the part of the campaign that wants to dismantle capitalism and defund police...

Dismantle capitalism and replace with what exactly...?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

So what law has been broken or possibly broken.

Black life's matter

White life's matter

All life's matter

Are any of those quotes illegal?

Explains why no one answered the above question

I dont think any of the above quotes are illegal..hence why no charges have been made.

I think hiring a plane with the words white lives matter was certainly provocative,which was why it was investigated?

Investigated for being provocative?

He is a member of the edl..has openly posted racist tweets and has just hired a plane to fly over a footy ground saying white lives matter at a time of frenzied racial tension.

It's hardly the brightest thing to do is it?

The police (and I'm not their greatest fan)probably got a bit of pressure to see if any laws have been broken.

There havent so we move on.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Black lives do matter... To anyone..

Please explain the part of the campaign that wants to dismantle capitalism and defund police...

Dismantle capitalism and replace with what exactly...?"

Chicago probably.

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

So what law has been broken or possibly broken.

Black life's matter

White life's matter

All life's matter

Are any of those quotes illegal?

Explains why no one answered the above question

I dont think any of the above quotes are illegal..hence why no charges have been made.

I think hiring a plane with the words white lives matter was certainly provocative,which was why it was investigated?

Investigated for being provocative?

He is a member of the edl..has openly posted racist tweets and has just hired a plane to fly over a footy ground saying white lives matter at a time of frenzied racial tension.

It's hardly the brightest thing to do is it?

The police (and I'm not their greatest fan)probably got a bit of pressure to see if any laws have been broken.

There havent so we move on.

Who ever he is has no bearing on the law. I am anti racist and believe in equality for all not just one group. As you say he did not do anything wrong as far as the law is concerned. I suspect he is very happy as for the price of one plane trip he has had several days of media attention

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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago

East Lancashire

Am from Burnley, am a Burnley fan (for my sins), and I have to say that this does NOT represent the overwhelming majority of Burnley people, or fans of Burnley football club.

I will be the first to admit that SOME will think it's funny, a laugh or freedom of speech, but again.....it does NOT represent the viewpoint of the vast overwhelming majority of people from Burnley.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Did anyone say it did

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"Black lives do matter... To anyone..

Please explain the part of the campaign that wants to dismantle capitalism and defund police...

Dismantle capitalism and replace with what exactly...?"

They're Marxists disguised as anti race campaigners. Even the guy from BLM UK was fairly open about that on the radio

Unfortunately some very gullible people have swallowed it. Hook, like and sinker

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Am from Burnley, am a Burnley fan (for my sins), and I have to say that this does NOT represent the overwhelming majority of Burnley people, or fans of Burnley football club.

I will be the first to admit that SOME will think it's funny, a laugh or freedom of speech, but again.....it does NOT represent the viewpoint of the vast overwhelming majority of people from Burnley. "

I see this as no reflection on the football club or town. Just a dickhead taking a shot.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

And O understand it's non profit making but not a registered charity..

Where does the money go?

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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago

milton keynes

Then Fabio, would you not agree that having the slogan "Black lives are equal" would have solved all the "you don't understand" arguments ?

Black lives Matter is a slogan that puts some peoples backs up.

Black lives are Equal is a slogan that no-one could argue with unless they wanted to show themselves as out and out racists.

"black lives are equal" is the aspiration... are we anywhere near that... not even close!

I think it is interesting that on Windrush Day (yesterday) CNN did a massive poll in regards to perceived attitudes in the uk

have a read.... it might take you 5-10 minutes, but its an eyeopener into how we see things differently...

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/06/europe/britain-racism-cnn-poll-gbr-intl/

If " black lives are equal" is the aspiration ( which I fully agree with) why not make it the slogan as others have mentioned"

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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago

East Lancashire

"Am from Burnley, am a Burnley fan (for my sins), and I have to say that this does NOT represent the overwhelming majority of Burnley people, or fans of Burnley football club.

I will be the first to admit that SOME will think it's funny, a laugh or freedom of speech, but again.....it does NOT represent the viewpoint of the vast overwhelming majority of people from Burnley.

I see this as no reflection on the football club or town. Just a dickhead taking a shot. "

Thank you. In the past, racism has been rife in my town...more so than in most places...and to a certain extent it still is. But the more responsible ones of us are working hard to leave that shit behind us, to educate those who have been reared in an environment of casual racism/sexism/homophobia. We truely are trying to get our house in order. Then this happens and knocks our efforts back.

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

People of colour in the largely white ran west have not had equal rights since the slave trade started (slave -no human right & property not endentored labour - learned a trade for room & board, freed after certain time, more like a live in apprentice)

The fact we still have women fighting for equal rights, religions still at lodger heads & poor people shows how divided humans still are, most of which through cultural teachings & for greed.

To completely debunk any racist who thinks colour matters:

Homosapiens aka all humans on earth today all can from the rift valley in Africa & were therefore all dark in skin colour to protect from the sun's rays.

Groups travelled out of Africa & mated with other human species around at the time like the northern neanderthals (cavemen) who's skin was white due to the lack of strong sun rays & a need to have lighter skin to absorb vit d from the weaker rays...hence the short stocky white man.

So racism is entirely nonsense, very few people on this planet are 'pure homosapiens' and the ones who are still live in the rift valley where they originated from, living a largely 'at one with the earth lifestyle.'

Most humans are mixed species never mind mixed race, especially white skinned people.

History of us series if you want to know more.

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

"Black lives do matter... To anyone..

Please explain the part of the campaign that wants to dismantle capitalism and defund police...

Dismantle capitalism and replace with what exactly...?"

Living at one with the earth I would imagine.

Instead of what we're doing (even right now even with typing (energy, satellites, cables, servers etc)) polluting & destroying the only planet we have for man made money or knowledge (space rubbish & projects + medicines playing with natural way of things in animals & humans) that is worth nothing when there are no more fish in the sea, no more fresh water and no soil for food and the air is poison.

(dirt & soil are not the same thing).

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"Am from Burnley, am a Burnley fan (for my sins), and I have to say that this does NOT represent the overwhelming majority of Burnley people, or fans of Burnley football club.

I will be the first to admit that SOME will think it's funny, a laugh or freedom of speech, but again.....it does NOT represent the viewpoint of the vast overwhelming majority of people from Burnley.

I see this as no reflection on the football club or town. Just a dickhead taking a shot.

"
....... I am not a Burnley fan but read comments on their fans forum last night , wihout doing an actual poll , the vast majority were strongly opposed to the plane , distancing themselves from message and the people ( I was going to say supporters ) involved ,,,,after the game I saw the interview with the Burnley captain ,Mee , on pick TV ,,if the town of Burnley wants someone to be proud of he is a good example ,spoke very well of the embarrassment that was brought to Burnley FC and the town by the banner

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By *isandhers691127Couple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"Here was me thinking that ALL lives matter.

exactly....

but when your house is on fire you don't turn around and dismiss it by saying "all houses matter"....

if you someone has breast cancer ... you don't turn around around and dismiss it by saying "well... all cancers matter!!!"

it never meant "ONLY black lives matter" it means "black lives matter AS WELL" and at this point if that scares you.... then you are part of the problem!!

as another not threatened white bloke, just what I wanted to say.

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By *rSinCityMan
over a year ago

London

It is not about who made the sign, its about the sign. I dont care if EDL member ordered it, he is not being investigated for beng EDL member, it is not a crime. The anger is about that his message is seen by authorities as illegal ( at least at first). You dont care if a looter is spraying BLM on the side of the wall, but you care about EDL member showing a white lives matter message.

Now being a white guy who doesnt give a shit about black people, why should I feel bad for being white? Why its ok to be black but not being white? You can write BLM, but not WLM? Where is equaity in this?

Funny thing is that BLM movement will create more racists, more centre ground people will move to right wing.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Black lives do matter... To anyone..

Please explain the part of the campaign that wants to dismantle capitalism and defund police...

Dismantle capitalism and replace with what exactly...?

They're Marxists disguised as anti race campaigners. Even the guy from BLM UK was fairly open about that on the radio

Unfortunately some very gullible people have swallowed it. Hook, like and sinker"

This is the worry, people still think BLM is about race.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Black lives do matter... To anyone..

Please explain the part of the campaign that wants to dismantle capitalism and defund police...

Dismantle capitalism and replace with what exactly...?"

"We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. We build deep relationships across the diaspora and strategise to challenge the rise of the authoritarian right-wing across the world, from Brazil to Britain."

"Developing and delivering training, police monitoring and strategies for the abolition of police. Working alongside existing anti-racist organisations to strengthen the wider movement across the UK."

Replace it with what who knows? East Germany?

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By *laymateteeMan
over a year ago

bristol

"Here was me thinking that ALL lives matter.

exactly....

but when your house is on fire you don't turn around and dismiss it by saying "all houses matter"....

if you someone has breast cancer ... you don't turn around around and dismiss it by saying "well... all cancers matter!!!"

it never meant "ONLY black lives matter" it means "black lives matter AS WELL" and at this point if that scares you.... then you are part of the problem!!"

This right here

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By *laymateteeMan
over a year ago

bristol

"Here was me thinking that ALL lives matter.

exactly....

This has been explained so many times.

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By *laymateteeMan
over a year ago

bristol

"Here was me thinking that ALL lives matter.

exactly....

but when your house is on fire you don't turn around and dismiss it by saying "all houses matter"....

if you someone has breast cancer ... you don't turn around around and dismiss it by saying "well... all cancers matter!!!"

it never meant "ONLY black lives matter" it means "black lives matter AS WELL" and at this point if that scares you.... then you are part of the problem!!

A posting I saw somewhere else went;

Black lives Matter can also infer that other lives don't matter. Which is divisive and threatening.

Why was the slogan not "Black lives are equal" which can only be interpreted one way.

This would have attracted more support for their cause I would have said.

Clearly people of other races being killed by American police doesn't matter. "Only black lives matter"."

This is what happens when people don't understand the meaning of something. We never said ONLY BLACK LIVES MATTER

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By *laymateteeMan
over a year ago

bristol

To those who say All Lives Matter whlet me ask you this. If you're passionate about raising funds for cancer and take part in the Walk for life event then someone shows up and says that Walk for life should be Walk for all diseases,how would you feel. We never said all lives don't matter were highlighting what affects us and want things to change. We know that there will never be equality when it comes to race and that will never change that doesn't mean we can voice out how we feel

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"Black lives do matter... To anyone..

Please explain the part of the campaign that wants to dismantle capitalism and defund police...

Dismantle capitalism and replace with what exactly...?

They're Marxists disguised as anti race campaigners. Even the guy from BLM UK was fairly open about that on the radio

Unfortunately some very gullible people have swallowed it. Hook, like and sinker

This is the worry, people still think BLM is about race. "

Patrisse Cullors the co founder of BLM states in an old interview that she is a 'trained Marxist'

I don't think enough people actually realise what their true aim is here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whether you agree with it or not whether you agree with the blm causecor not the banner didnt incite violence or hate it was three words that can be interpreted in different ways, I thought we had free speech in this country, those who are up in arms about it only need to look back at posts on this site about some of the worlds politicians and see the hate being spouted, yet they would claim that's ok because of free speech "

Why did they want the plane to fly over at the exact sane time as the players were taking the knee? Why was it arranged and paid for by a bunch of racist fans??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Black lives do matter... To anyone..

Please explain the part of the campaign that wants to dismantle capitalism and defund police...

Dismantle capitalism and replace with what exactly...?

Replace it with what who knows? East Germany?

Your looking for things that are not there to suit your agenda, again

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Black lives do matter... To anyone..

Please explain the part of the campaign that wants to dismantle capitalism and defund police...

Dismantle capitalism and replace with what exactly...?

Replace it with what who knows? East Germany?

Your looking for things that are not there to suit your agenda, again

No your saying those things arent the goals of the BLM organisation

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

For decades, the FA and FIFA have fought to keep politics out of football.

Now they embrace BLM and what you saw on Monday, was the obvious kickback to that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Black lives do matter... To anyone..

Please explain the part of the campaign that wants to dismantle capitalism and defund police...

Dismantle capitalism and replace with what exactly...?

Replace it with what who knows? East Germany?

Your looking for things that are not there to suit your agenda, again

No your saying those things arent the goals of the BLM organisation "

Yes they are the aims, can you highlight the one you don’t agree with and why they are being compared to east Germany?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For decades, the FA and FIFA have fought to keep politics out of football.

Now they embrace BLM and what you saw on Monday, was the obvious kickback to that. "

So, you agree with the Burnley banner ?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Black lives do matter... To anyone..

Please explain the part of the campaign that wants to dismantle capitalism and defund police...

Dismantle capitalism and replace with what exactly...?

They're Marxists disguised as anti race campaigners. Even the guy from BLM UK was fairly open about that on the radio

Unfortunately some very gullible people have swallowed it. Hook, like and sinker

This is the worry, people still think BLM is about race.

Patrisse Cullors the co founder of BLM states in an old interview that she is a 'trained Marxist'

I don't think enough people actually realise what their true aim is here"

Did they go to Marxist school?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Black lives do matter... To anyone..

Please explain the part of the campaign that wants to dismantle capitalism and defund police...

Dismantle capitalism and replace with what exactly...?

They're Marxists disguised as anti race campaigners. Even the guy from BLM UK was fairly open about that on the radio

Unfortunately some very gullible people have swallowed it. Hook, like and sinker

This is the worry, people still think BLM is about race.

Patrisse Cullors the co founder of BLM states in an old interview that she is a 'trained Marxist'

I don't think enough people actually realise what their true aim is here"

How do you become a ‘trained Marxist ‘

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"Black lives do matter... To anyone..

Please explain the part of the campaign that wants to dismantle capitalism and defund police...

Dismantle capitalism and replace with what exactly...?

They're Marxists disguised as anti race campaigners. Even the guy from BLM UK was fairly open about that on the radio

Unfortunately some very gullible people have swallowed it. Hook, like and sinker

This is the worry, people still think BLM is about race.

Patrisse Cullors the co founder of BLM states in an old interview that she is a 'trained Marxist'

I don't think enough people actually realise what their true aim is here

How do you become a ‘trained Marxist ‘

You'd have to ask Patrisse Cullors

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Black lives do matter... To anyone..

Please explain the part of the campaign that wants to dismantle capitalism and defund police...

Dismantle capitalism and replace with what exactly...?

They're Marxists disguised as anti race campaigners. Even the guy from BLM UK was fairly open about that on the radio

Unfortunately some very gullible people have swallowed it. Hook, like and sinker

This is the worry, people still think BLM is about race.

Patrisse Cullors the co founder of BLM states in an old interview that she is a 'trained Marxist'

I don't think enough people actually realise what their true aim is here

How do you become a ‘trained Marxist ‘

I just googled this for shits and giggles and you can actually become trained in it and it’s failures but trained none the less. I wonder what sort of job you could swag with that

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Now being a white guy who doesnt give a shit about black people, why should I feel bad for being white? Why its ok to be black but not being white? You can write BLM, but not WLM? Where is equaity in this?

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At last someone who is being honest... might not like it but at least I know where I stand.....

So clem, _adet and the normal nay sayers.... just say it!

Don’t just play around it in a word salad... let’s be real!

Why do you feel so threatened by the blm movement...is it because you are afraid of losing the advantages you have? Why do you believe that systematic racism apparently doesn’t exist? Have the moves forward denied you of this you like so you’re pissed off...

Tell it like you see it! I’ll tell it like I see it back....

I think it’s interesting that you are changing the narrative because it’s makes you feel really uncomfortable.... but I am trying to work out why....

At least this person told the unvarnished truth

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Here was me thinking that ALL lives matter.

exactly....

but when your house is on fire you don't turn around and dismiss it by saying "all houses matter"....

if you someone has breast cancer ... you don't turn around around and dismiss it by saying "well... all cancers matter!!!"

it never meant "ONLY black lives matter" it means "black lives matter AS WELL" and at this point if that scares you.... then you are part of the problem!!

Agreed. Fabio often hits the nail on the head with his posts. Because of this on the few occasions where he posts something I don't really agree with I stop and rethink the issue through. Sometimes I even change my mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Black lives do matter... To anyone..

Please explain the part of the campaign that wants to dismantle capitalism and defund police...

Dismantle capitalism and replace with what exactly...?

They're Marxists disguised as anti race campaigners. Even the guy from BLM UK was fairly open about that on the radio

Unfortunately some very gullible people have swallowed it. Hook, like and sinker

This is the worry, people still think BLM is about race.

Patrisse Cullors the co founder of BLM states in an old interview that she is a 'trained Marxist'

I don't think enough people actually realise what their true aim is here

How do you become a ‘trained Marxist ‘

You'd have to ask Patrisse Cullors"

Does she have a recognisable qualification ?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Black lives do matter... To anyone..

Please explain the part of the campaign that wants to dismantle capitalism and defund police...

Dismantle capitalism and replace with what exactly...?

They're Marxists disguised as anti race campaigners. Even the guy from BLM UK was fairly open about that on the radio

Unfortunately some very gullible people have swallowed it. Hook, like and sinker

This is the worry, people still think BLM is about race.

Patrisse Cullors the co founder of BLM states in an old interview that she is a 'trained Marxist'

I don't think enough people actually realise what their true aim is here

How do you become a ‘trained Marxist ‘

I just googled this for shits and giggles and you can actually become trained in it and it’s failures but trained none the less. I wonder what sort of job you could swag with that

Wonder if you get a qualification?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At last someone who is being honest... might not like it but at least I know where I stand.....

So clem, _adet and the normal nay sayers.... just say it!

Don’t just play around it in a word salad... let’s be real!

Tell it like you see it! I’ll tell it like I see it back....

I think it’s interesting that you are changing the narrative because it’s makes you feel really uncomfortable.... but I am trying to work out why....

At least this person told the unvarnished truth"

Well said, it is obvious that certain people have an agenda on here, the same old faces trying to undermine the BLM because they feel threatened and scared .

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Black lives matter and the slogan stands because they haven't as much as white and still don't. How hard can that possibly be to understand?? I'm really sorry, but any problems somebody has with this, well,it can only be racism so engrained that they can't see it or can't admit it."

I generally agree with you but perhaps you're being a bit harsh on posters like _eordies. I don't agree with with his post that 'Black lives are equal' would be better than 'Black lives matter' as a slogan but he's making a reasonable argument for it.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Why should black people be policed in a different way to other races?"

I think that's what the BLM protesters are asking, isn't it?

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"For decades, the FA and FIFA have fought to keep politics out of football.

Now they embrace BLM and what you saw on Monday, was the obvious kickback to that.

So, you agree with the Burnley banner ? "

No, it was an ill-judged thing to do.

But i do accept that everyone is entitled to an opinion, whatever their creed, religion or race.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

I feel sorry for BLM supporters like Fabio. I feel that they're like the germans of the 1930's who thought that joining the nazi party was just about building a stronger Germany. Unknowing, or unwilling to actually look at the political aims of the movement. Bit like environmentalists who think XR is just about "being green".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I feel scared and threatened by the BLM movement.

But for clarification it’s nothing to do with it campaigning for equality. I have black and mixed race relatives and I am more than happy for them to feel safe and secure and comfortable to carry on their lives in peace, and I’d fight tooth and nail to achieve that for them.

BLM as an organisation, as others have said, are a Marxist group. They are using the subject of race as a vehicle to slide their ideology into every aspect of public life and destroy, utterly destroy, the way of life in liberal democracy. If you’re not terrified of Marxism (or any other form of hard communist ideology), you don’t know enough about it. You’re one of Bezmenov‘s useful idiots.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

I would like to know how they will dismantle capitalism and how policing will look after they are defunded.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

At last someone who is being honest... might not like it but at least I know where I stand.....

So clem, _adet and the normal nay sayers.... just say it!

Don’t just play around it in a word salad... let’s be real!

Tell it like you see it! I’ll tell it like I see it back....

I think it’s interesting that you are changing the narrative because it’s makes you feel really uncomfortable.... but I am trying to work out why....

At least this person told the unvarnished truth"

Dont you feel threatened by Marxism?

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By *rumalexMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

i disagree with the narrative about BLM,

the racial equality battle has been going on long before this organisation was founded. i think their ideology is being scrutinised and constantly brought up as a way to deflect from the argument.

most people i know aren't members of BLM they just want to get engaged in the racial equality argument.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i disagree with the narrative about BLM,

the racial equality battle has been going on long before this organisation was founded. i think their ideology is being scrutinised and constantly brought up as a way to deflect from the argument.

most people i know aren't members of BLM they just want to get engaged in the racial equality argument."

The narrative of BLM is that it’s overwhelmingly popular tho? I believe the reality is the other way round to how you see it. As an organisation they’re using the message of racial justice as a vehicle for their ideology. Coleman Hughes has done some really interesting pieces on this subject over the last few weeks

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By *rumalexMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"i disagree with the narrative about BLM,

the racial equality battle has been going on long before this organisation was founded. i think their ideology is being scrutinised and constantly brought up as a way to deflect from the argument.

most people i know aren't members of BLM they just want to get engaged in the racial equality argument.

You may be correct with that, but the majority that i know, are just about racial equality, we dont really give a stuff about tv programmes being cancelled, and getting rid of the police as is claimed.

i think there should be a serious debate about all racism, and within the black community, we need to face up to stupid killings because of post codes, and the use of the n-word in certain songs and in society amongst each other as well.

it will be uncomfortable but i think it needs to be done

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i disagree with the narrative about BLM,

the racial equality battle has been going on long before this organisation was founded. i think their ideology is being scrutinised and constantly brought up as a way to deflect from the argument.

most people i know aren't members of BLM they just want to get engaged in the racial equality argument.

it will be uncomfortable but i think it needs to be done "

100% agree with that. What I’m trying to do though is make a clear distinction between the idea of ‘black lives matter’ and ‘BLM’ the organisation. None of my black or mixed relatives and friends agree with the nonsensical cancelling of tv shows or agree with defunding the police.

The BLM organisation itself tho, is open in its demands to defund police, dismantle the family unit and deconstruct capitalism. I think if we’re going to have a serious conversation about racial equality, I think more black people should be prepared to denounce the BLM organisation as not representative of all of their demographic along with having those uncomfortable conversations you’re talking about (post code gangs, gangbanger culture etc)

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By *rumalexMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"i disagree with the narrative about BLM,

the racial equality battle has been going on long before this organisation was founded. i think their ideology is being scrutinised and constantly brought up as a way to deflect from the argument.

most people i know aren't members of BLM they just want to get engaged in the racial equality argument.

it will be uncomfortable but i think it needs to be done

i agree with you on that, like most things , i don't think a lot pf people have looked deeply into BLM, they just see the racial equality side of it, they don't look into how it was formed or financed, most people no matter what side you are on are not usually happy with extremism, and the last thing the majority would want is some kind of race war

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i disagree with the narrative about BLM,

the racial equality battle has been going on long before this organisation was founded. i think their ideology is being scrutinised and constantly brought up as a way to deflect from the argument.

most people i know aren't members of BLM they just want to get engaged in the racial equality argument.

it will be uncomfortable but i think it needs to be done

Exactly that. We live in a society rife click bait and easy virtue points for sharing a cause that sounds wonderful without knowing the full ins and outs of it. And when those same people who are ignorant of the truth of organisations like BLM or the DFLA start shouting down others for questioning the narrative it creates resentment, and more worryingly, radicalises people. That’s why I’m absolutely terrified of the BLM as an organisation.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

If i donate £100 to ukblm, whose account is it in? Who controls the money? Who decides where it is spent? Who controls the policies of ukblm? If im a wealthy POC, who do i explain that i like capitalism, and am sceptical of a society based on socialism, with an abolished police force, being successful, or indeed habitable?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"i disagree with the narrative about BLM,

the racial equality battle has been going on long before this organisation was founded. i think their ideology is being scrutinised and constantly brought up as a way to deflect from the argument.

most people i know aren't members of BLM they just want to get engaged in the racial equality argument.

it will be uncomfortable but i think it needs to be done "
I have always thought this, how can young kids get there head around that its ok for black kids to use the N word to each other sing it in songs but its racist if they do? everyone no matter what colour has a prt to play in this.

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By *rumalexMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"i disagree with the narrative about BLM,

the racial equality battle has been going on long before this organisation was founded. i think their ideology is being scrutinised and constantly brought up as a way to deflect from the argument.

most people i know aren't members of BLM they just want to get engaged in the racial equality argument.

it will be uncomfortable but i think it needs to be done I have always thought this, how can young kids get there head around that its ok for black kids to use the N word to each other sing it in songs but its racist if they do? everyone no matter what colour has a prt to play in this."

Totally agree and all racism needs to be faced and discussed that includes black, white and asian racism against each other. the black v asian issue is very rarely raised.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i disagree with the narrative about BLM,

the racial equality battle has been going on long before this organisation was founded. i think their ideology is being scrutinised and constantly brought up as a way to deflect from the argument.

most people i know aren't members of BLM they just want to get engaged in the racial equality argument.

Totally agree and all racism needs to be faced and discussed that includes black, white and asian racism against each other. the black v asian issue is very rarely raised."

See that’s something I’ve never really heard of before now. I’ve heard of the black/Jewish issues in America but nothing about Asian. It all needs dragging out into the open with mutual respect and courtesy for one another. I saw an interview with Ayshiat Akanbi last week and she said the race equality debate needs integrity and courage to discuss it, not victim hood and vengefulness. Never a truer word said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suppose now Corbyn has gone off the scene they have to stick those Marxist rosettes somewhere

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If i donate £100 to ukblm, whose account is it in? Who controls the money? Who decides where it is spent? Who controls the policies of ukblm? If im a wealthy POC, who do i explain that i like capitalism, and am sceptical of a society based on socialism, with an abolished police force, being successful, or indeed habitable?"

Why are you donating the money?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Why are you donating the money? "

Who knows? Why are they asking for money? Who the fuck are "they"? This is kind of my point...

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over a year ago

Why are you donating the money?

Who knows? Why are they asking for money? Who the fuck are "they"? This is kind of my point..."

‘Kind of my point ‘ ? Vague . If you don’t agree with the aims of the BLM why would you even consider donating to them? Do you donate any money to any charities or organisations?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

At last someone who is being honest... might not like it but at least I know where I stand.....

So clem, _adet and the normal nay sayers.... just say it!

Don’t just play around it in a word salad... let’s be real!

Tell it like you see it! I’ll tell it like I see it back....

I think it’s interesting that you are changing the narrative because it’s makes you feel really uncomfortable.... but I am trying to work out why....

At least this person told the unvarnished truth

Dont you feel threatened by Marxism?"

and thank you for proving my point!!!

Don't change the subject when you know damn well what the subject truely is...

why does the topic of race and in particular racial inequality make you feel really uncomfortable???

it SHOULD make you uncomfortable....... there should also be a certain amount of acknowledgement and recognition that things are not equal...

Clem doesn't do that....

you don't do that.....

Twisted doesn't to that....

you lot aren't the only ones.....

so i'll call you all out till you do.... and i'll call out anyone else who doesn't!!!

make you uncomfortable does it.... welcome to my world!!!

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

At last someone who is being honest... might not like it but at least I know where I stand.....

So clem, _adet and the normal nay sayers.... just say it!

Don’t just play around it in a word salad... let’s be real!

Tell it like you see it! I’ll tell it like I see it back....

I think it’s interesting that you are changing the narrative because it’s makes you feel really uncomfortable.... but I am trying to work out why....

At least this person told the unvarnished truth

Dont you feel threatened by Marxism?

and thank you for proving my point!!!

Don't change the subject when you know damn well what the subject truely is...

why does the topic of race and in particular racial inequality make you feel really uncomfortable???

it SHOULD make you uncomfortable....... there should also be a certain amount of acknowledgement and recognition that things are not equal...

Clem doesn't do that....

you don't do that.....

Twisted doesn't to that....

you lot aren't the only ones.....

so i'll call you all out till you do.... and i'll call out anyone else who doesn't!!!

make you uncomfortable does it.... welcome to my world!!!

Twisted doesn’t do what?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Why are you donating the money?

Who knows? Why are they asking for money? Who the fuck are "they"? This is kind of my point...

‘Kind of my point ‘ ? Vague . If you don’t agree with the aims of the BLM why would you even consider donating to them? Do you donate any money to any charities or organisations? "

Why don't you try and answer the question with an answer?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Black lives do matter... To anyone..

Please explain the part of the campaign that wants to dismantle capitalism and defund police...

Dismantle capitalism and replace with what exactly...?

Replace it with what who knows? East Germany?

Your looking for things that are not there to suit your agenda, again

No your saying those things arent the goals of the BLM organisation

Yes they are the aims, can you highlight the one you don’t agree with and why they are being compared to east Germany? "

I haven't compared them to east germany.

Do you support the defunding of the police the shutting of prisons ?

I can accept that some dont like capitalism and want to break up family units, not my position but others can rake that view but the police and prison ones are lunacy and would end up in anarchy, and anyone who supports that is going for the destruction of society

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Where i live most people who are poor are white, most people who are arrested are young Male and white, most people who feel that the way they've been born hinders their salary level are white and female. How will defunding the police help these people ?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Still waiting

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"Where i live most people who are poor are white, most people who are arrested are young Male and white, most people who feel that the way they've been born hinders their salary level are white and female. How will defunding the police help these people ?"

Not many stabbings though, so perhaps we could afford to defund them a bit?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Not many stabbings though, so perhaps we could afford to defund them a bit?"

No gang violence or gun/knife culture either. Do you think we can thank our conservative run council?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I wonder if Fabio is checking the comment I made on the Black Lives Matter thread on the next page.

Or in Easy’s thread where I said systemically I believed there is racial bias.

That’s it’s I’m sure he will be along shortly

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

At last someone who is being honest... might not like it but at least I know where I stand.....

So clem, _adet and the normal nay sayers.... just say it!

Don’t just play around it in a word salad... let’s be real!

Tell it like you see it! I’ll tell it like I see it back....

I think it’s interesting that you are changing the narrative because it’s makes you feel really uncomfortable.... but I am trying to work out why....

At least this person told the unvarnished truth

Dont you feel threatened by Marxism?

and thank you for proving my point!!!

Don't change the subject when you know damn well what the subject truely is...

why does the topic of race and in particular racial inequality make you feel really uncomfortable???

it SHOULD make you uncomfortable....... there should also be a certain amount of acknowledgement and recognition that things are not equal...

Clem doesn't do that....

you don't do that.....

Twisted doesn't to that....

you lot aren't the only ones.....

so i'll call you all out till you do.... and i'll call out anyone else who doesn't!!!

make you uncomfortable does it.... welcome to my world!!!

We're having the discussion and why on earth would equality make me feel uncomfortable? BLM is about Marxism not equality. If you don't see that then I fear we're just too far apart on this

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over a year ago

"Here was me thinking that ALL lives matter.

exactly....

but when your house is on fire you don't turn around and dismiss it by saying "all houses matter"....

if you someone has breast cancer ... you don't turn around around and dismiss it by saying "well... all cancers matter!!!"

it never meant "ONLY black lives matter" it means "black lives matter AS WELL" and at this point if that scares you.... then you are part of the problem!!"

This!

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

So what law has been broken or possibly broken.

Black life's matter

White life's matter

All life's matter

Are any of those quotes illegal? I never said a law has been broken I simply said has a law been broken

No crime committed as per the news just now.

Yep just saw that

So no crime committed in the end after all that"

No, but an insensitive act during a very difficult time. Sadly there are a tiny minority at both ends of the spectrum. The overwhelming majority of good people just want to get on with their lives, doing the best they can for themselves and their family, and indeed their neighbours , irrespective of race or religion.

I don’t like the BLM slogan, I think a huge opportunity has been missed “I can’t breathe “ is far more powerful, inclusive and longer lasting.

I also dislike being told to have “that conversation “. What conversation and with whom?

Sadly those that do need “that conversation “ are too bigoted, narrow minded or just too thick to understand it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

‘Sadly those that do need “that conversation “ are too bigoted, narrow minded or just too thick to understand it.’

I don’t even think it’s that in the UK. I think the silent majority as you say just want to get on with their lives and resent the implication that they’re automatically racist by virtue of their skin colour.

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over a year ago

Why are you donating the money?

Who knows? Why are they asking for money? Who the fuck are "they"? This is kind of my point...

‘Kind of my point ‘ ? Vague . If you don’t agree with the aims of the BLM why would you even consider donating to them? Do you donate any money to any charities or organisations?

Why don't you try and answer the question with an answer?"

‘Kind’ of proved my point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe you could spend less money on the police and more on education and training for the young to improve their salary levels?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Black lives do matter... To anyone..

Please explain the part of the campaign that wants to dismantle capitalism and defund police...

Dismantle capitalism and replace with what exactly...?

Replace it with what who knows? East Germany?

Your looking for things that are not there to suit your agenda, again

No your saying those things arent the goals of the BLM organisation

Yes they are the aims, can you highlight the one you don’t agree with and why they are being compared to east Germany?

I haven't compared them to east germany.

Do you support the defunding of the police the shutting of prisons ?

I think that spending less on the police and prisons and using that money on education and other social initiatives is a good idea. We certainly don’t want to end up like the USA

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Black lives do matter... To anyone..

Please explain the part of the campaign that wants to dismantle capitalism and defund police...

Dismantle capitalism and replace with what exactly...?

Replace it with what who knows? East Germany?

Your looking for things that are not there to suit your agenda, again

No your saying those things arent the goals of the BLM organisation

Yes they are the aims, can you highlight the one you don’t agree with and why they are being compared to east Germany?

I haven't compared them to east germany.

Do you support the defunding of the police the shutting of prisons ?

I think that spending less on the police and prisons and using that money on education and other social initiatives is a good idea. We certainly don’t want to end up like the USA "

I think finding the money from elsewhere should be the first priority. Then if crime rates etc go down then so should the Police budget.

The Police are woefully underfunded and it wasn’t so long ago people were blaming the Torys for decimating the Police.

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