FabSwingers.com forum: Boris is starting the brexit talks.

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

With von der leyen, the deadline for the uk to request an extension of up to two years is the end of june, how do you think it will go? I reckon it will be a bumpy ride but with eu having the upper hand

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

think boris will let the end of june come and go.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"think boris will let the end of june come and go."
I think so as well.

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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago

East Lancashire

Bojo doesn't care....got his Brexit supporting majority so will do what he wants/as he is told (delete as appropriate based on your belief).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They wanted no deal all along. They know they cannot get a deal anything like they promised, the messaged changed from 'easiest deal in history' to 'WTO here we go' or whatever it was.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"think boris will let the end of june come and go."

I agree, we will leave without a deal then he can blame the subsequent financial disaster on the pandemic, but that is what the leave voters wanted

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I'm waiting to see the reaction from the brexiteers when the penny drops that leaving the eu is not the answer to all our problems.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm waiting to see the reaction from the brexiteers when the penny drops that leaving the eu is not the answer to all our problems."

Unfortunately the penny will never drop, they will blame the EU, they will blame the pandemic they will blame remain voters

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I'm waiting to see the reaction from the brexiteers when the penny drops that leaving the eu is not the answer to all our problems.

Unfortunately the penny will never drop, they will blame the EU, they will blame the pandemic they will blame remain voters "

True

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By *az080378Woman
over a year ago

Cromer

"I'm waiting to see the reaction from the brexiteers when the penny drops that leaving the eu is not the answer to all our problems.

Unfortunately the penny will never drop, they will blame the EU, they will blame the pandemic they will blame remain voters "

And Jeremy Corbyn, everything is always his fault too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm waiting to see the reaction from the brexiteers when the penny drops that leaving the eu is not the answer to all our problems.

Unfortunately the penny will never drop, they will blame the EU, they will blame the pandemic they will blame remain voters

And Jeremy Corbyn, everything is always his fault too."
Why will they blame remainers and blame them for what??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm waiting to see the reaction from the brexiteers when the penny drops that leaving the eu is not the answer to all our problems.

Unfortunately the penny will never drop, they will blame the EU, they will blame the pandemic they will blame remain voters

And Jeremy Corbyn, everything is always his fault too."

Don't think about what's actually going on, don't ask any questions. Spend all your time imagining what it would be like if someone became PM.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm waiting to see the reaction from the brexiteers when the penny drops that leaving the eu is not the answer to all our problems.

Unfortunately the penny will never drop, they will blame the EU, they will blame the pandemic they will blame remain voters

And Jeremy Corbyn, everything is always his fault too.Why will they blame remainers and blame them for what??"

For how shit brexit is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"With von der leyen, the deadline for the uk to request an extension of up to two years is the end of june, how do you think it will go? I reckon it will be a bumpy ride but with eu having the upper hand

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I think an extension could have been possible if it was not attached to a financial payment, but I think if a 2 year extension was agreed the EU would want 2 yrs more subs and I think that is the deal breaker on that one.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

"think boris will let the end of june come and go.

I agree, we will leave without a deal then he can blame the subsequent financial disaster on the pandemic, but that is what the leave voters wanted

to be honest the financial an social shitstorm coming from this virus and the loss of jobs from it is gona make brexit look like a storm in a tea cup

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"think boris will let the end of june come and go.

I agree, we will leave without a deal then he can blame the subsequent financial disaster on the pandemic, but that is what the leave voters wanted

to be honest the financial an social shitstorm coming from this virus and the loss of jobs from it is gona make brexit look like a storm in a tea cup"

It’s not going to help though,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"think boris will let the end of june come and go.

I agree, we will leave without a deal then he can blame the subsequent financial disaster on the pandemic, but that is what the leave voters wanted

to be honest the financial an social shitstorm coming from this virus and the loss of jobs from it is gona make brexit look like a storm in a tea cup"

Other countries only have to deal with the damage caused by the virus. We have to deal with the double whammy of Brexit and the virus.

Although it does look like the damage caused by the virus will be worse than the damage caused by brexit. So that's a win for people who voted for it maybe?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"think boris will let the end of june come and go.

I agree, we will leave without a deal then he can blame the subsequent financial disaster on the pandemic, but that is what the leave voters wanted

to be honest the financial an social shitstorm coming from this virus and the loss of jobs from it is gona make brexit look like a storm in a tea cup"

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

dunno you will have to ask someone who voted for brexit if its a win.i just saying it how i see it and as i dont support either the left or right and i didnt vite remain or leave mine is just an outsiders view. without any baggage

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"dunno you will have to ask someone who voted for brexit if its a win.i just saying it how i see it and as i dont support either the left or right and i didnt vite remain or leave mine is just an outsiders view. without any baggage "

I remember you saying.

And I mostly agreed with your post.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

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Well Nissan have shut plants in Spain but keeping Sunderland open not exactly what remoaners forcast ha ha

The EU is destitude due to the virus so best to take a six month extension to negotiate a good deal for us.This virus increases the need to leave the EU but must be on our terms

With world trade in bits due to world recession a good time to get trade deals

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well Nissan have shut plants in Spain but keeping Sunderland open not exactly what remoaners forcast ha ha

The EU is destitude due to the virus so best to take a six month extension to negotiate a good deal for us.This virus increases the need to leave the EU but must be on our terms

With world trade in bits due to world recession a good time to get trade deals

Thanks Emma from the news down in opposite land.

Meanwhile back on planet earth....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well Nissan have shut plants in Spain but keeping Sunderland open not exactly what remoaners forcast ha ha

The EU is destitude due to the virus so best to take a six month extension to negotiate a good deal for us.This virus increases the need to leave the EU but must be on our terms

With world trade in bits due to world recession a good time to get trade deals

Your joking? It’s the worse time possible. The likes of the USA will be rubbing their hands, imagine Boris trying to get a good deal out if them

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

At least we will be able to sort our own shit out without Brussels telling us we cant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At least we will be able to sort our own shit out without Brussels telling us we cant."

Like what?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

For a start state aid rules,we can also use British firms for government contracts without putting them out to tender in the eu.Why do you think the eu want to tie us into their rules? they dont want the competition.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At least we will be able to sort our own shit out without Brussels telling us we cant."

That's our current situation.

Before, we were actually in EU and had sweet trade deal and a seat at the decision making table.

Now we have fuck all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For a start state aid rules,we can also use British firms for government contracts without putting them out to tender in the eu.Why do you think the eu want to tie us into their rules? they dont want the competition."

Is this worth the £170 billion annual hit to the economy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is that it?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"At least we will be able to sort our own shit out without Brussels telling us we cant."

Yep and that has gone absolutely swimmingly in the current crises.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

how many billions will it cost to stay for 2 years any idea?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"how many billions will it cost to stay for 2 years any idea?"

No idea, less than £170 billion ??

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

That has got to be one of the biggest myths about the eu.

The idea that the 25 countries routinely "told"us what to do.

Absolute bullocks..1st of all we were a major player and we had the power of veto.We never had the euro and as far as I can see..were never made do anything that significantly disadvantaged us.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I'd still love to hear a cast iron benefit for leaving.

Its been 3 years and I've still not heard 1.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well Nissan have shut plants in Spain but keeping Sunderland open not exactly what remoaners forcast ha ha

The EU is destitude due to the virus so best to take a six month extension to negotiate a good deal for us.This virus increases the need to leave the EU but must be on our terms

With world trade in bits due to world recession a good time to get trade deals

The Nissan/Sunderland thing doesn't have much to do with brexit.

It effectively comes down to keeping the Sunderland plant open as what they make is popular in our internal market.

Eg, the company will downscale production as announced and keep it strictly for internal market production.

To clarify less car exports.

The Barcelona plant has been negotiated to have a take over by another one of the car manufacturers their close with, basically to keep the plant but change the car production to something more saleable.

So as you can see this isn't a brexit win.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"That has got to be one of the biggest myths about the eu.

The idea that the 25 countries routinely "told"us what to do.

Absolute bullocks..1st of all we were a major player and we had the power of veto.We never had the euro and as far as I can see..were never made do anything that significantly disadvantaged us."

Exactly, and reference to state aid , we are the one of the lowest in the EU at spending only 0.38% of GDP when compared to 1.31% in Germany and 1.59 % in Poland

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd still love to hear a cast iron benefit for leaving.

Its been 3 years and I've still not heard 1."

Blue passports

FREEDOM

Sovereignty

Unelected bureaucrats

Straight bananas

Blah blah blah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I mean why don't you get on at the Tories about state aid rules.

They prioritise their business partners for contracts rather than actually put the contracts up for competition.

Remember Failing Grayling.

Look at the NHS contact tracing app.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd still love to hear a cast iron benefit for leaving.

Its been 3 years and I've still not heard 1.

Blue passports

FREEDOM

Sovereignty

Unelected bureaucrats

Straight bananas

Blah blah blah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd still love to hear a cast iron benefit for leaving.

Its been 3 years and I've still not heard 1."

1. Benefits for US corporations who will do well out of trade negotiations with a weakened UK who are removing safety standards, to allow US food and other products to be sold here. Plus US pharmaceutical companies who are buying into th NHS.

2. Benefits to tax dodgers who will continue to avoid paying taxes.

3. Investment businesses like those owned by Jacob Rees-Mogg, made a shit tonne of money by crashing the value of the pound.

4. Unscrupulous business owners like Tim Martin and Mike Ashley will be able to treat the environment and their works with even more contempt after the pesky EU red tape of workers rights and environmental protection are removed.

There's four cast iron reasons right there.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I mean why don't you get on at the Tories about state aid rules.

They prioritise their business partners for contracts rather than actually put the contracts up for competition.

Remember Failing Grayling.

Look at the NHS contact tracing app."

They have given contracts to firms they are connected too during this crises with no one allowed to bid,and no one has batted an eye.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?"

How much do you think the UK will gain every year by leaving?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

How much do you think the UK will gain every year by leaving? "
That remains to be seen on what deals are delivered on the day we are out of the transition period.that was not the question you must have a figure as you are so sure we will be worse off what is it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

How much do you think the UK will gain every year by leaving? That remains to be seen on what deals are delivered on the day we are out of the transition period.that was not the question you must have a figure as you are so sure we will be worse off what is it?"

Are you sure we will be better off by leaving?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nobody knows for sure how much better off or worse off we may be, all the figures being bandied about are projections and estimations and nothing more at this point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nobody knows for sure how much better off or worse off we may be, all the figures being bandied about are projections and estimations and nothing more at this point. "

Are you suggesting that leave voters didn’t know what they were voting for? I thought it was the easiest deal in history etc etc

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

Are you sure we will be better off by leaving? "
I have faith in business it will always find a way to trade and make money and if you think the eu will just cease trading with the uk in the event of a no deal you are dreaming.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

Are you sure we will be better off by leaving? I have faith in business it will always find a way to trade and make money and if you think the eu will just cease trading with the uk in the event of a no deal you are dreaming. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?"

We're currently down an estimated £170 billion a year. So presumably if a no deal crashes us into WTO rules, the cost will be more than £170,000,000,000 annually.

But like people said, no one actually knows how bad it will be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nobody knows for sure how much better off or worse off we may be, all the figures being bandied about are projections and estimations and nothing more at this point. "

So if it costs the UK less than the estimated £170 Billion per year. Is that a brexit benefit?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before "
I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years"

90% of the UKs trade will be outside the EU?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

90% of the UKs trade will be outside the EU?

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UK exports are falling year on year, to the eu exports fell 10% between 1999 and 2017.Sorry meant to say 90% of global growth will be outside the eu in the next ten years and thats where the future is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years"

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks."
Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

90% of the UKs trade will be outside the EU?

UK exports are falling year on year, to the eu exports fell 10% between 1999 and 2017.Sorry meant to say 90% of global growth will be outside the eu in the next ten years and thats where the future is."

So it’s 90% of growth now? The EU is the largest trading bloc in the world and our nearest neighbours, do you agree?? Which other countries do you think we can start trading with? And will our deal be better than the ones they have or get with the EU?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

How much faster? Bare in mind if we leave with a no deal we will have no deals

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

How much faster? Bare in mind if we leave with a no deal we will have no deals

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Please name th last trade dealer the EU made that we (2nd biggest economy in the eu ) was at the table.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nobody knows for sure how much better off or worse off we may be, all the figures being bandied about are projections and estimations and nothing more at this point.

So if it costs the UK less than the estimated £170 Billion per year. Is that a brexit benefit?"
i am not sure there is a benefit and have never said there would be, just that the figures are all guesses but the way people throw them around they are made out to be definitive, you can draw your own conclusions as regards if it's a "brexit benefit" or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

How much faster? Bare in mind if we leave with a no deal we will have no deals

Please name th last trade dealer the EU made that we (2nd biggest economy in the eu ) was at the table. "

What is your point?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

A quick deal means a bad deal

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By *coptoCouple
over a year ago

Côte d'Azur & Great Yarmouth

"... the shackles will be off to do other deals"

The shackles have been off since 31 January 2020, or didn’t you get the memo? Far from “all our friends” falling over themselves to negotiate trade deals with us, all we’ve managed is one-off agreements with big players like Kosovo, Morocco, the Faroe Islands and the Palestinian Authority.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

""... the shackles will be off to do other deals"

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

Well Nissan have shut plants in Spain but keeping Sunderland open not exactly what remoaners forcast ha ha

The EU is destitude due to the virus so best to take a six month extension to negotiate a good deal for us.This virus increases the need to leave the EU but must be on our terms

With world trade in bits due to world recession a good time to get trade deals

Most of the world already has trade deals.

We have very little if anything to offer other countries.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

""... the shackles will be off to do other deals"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""... the shackles will be off to do other deals"

Have we left with no deal??

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

A quick deal means a bad deal

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Does it,does it really? its taken the mercosur deal 20 years to negotiate and all the eu countries still cant agree to sign up to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

A quick deal means a bad deal

Does it,does it really? its taken the mercosur deal 20 years to negotiate and all the eu countries still cant agree to sign up to it."

Have the UK already agreed a deal with Mercosur then?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

A quick deal means a bad deal

Does it,does it really? its taken the mercosur deal 20 years to negotiate and all the eu countries still cant agree to sign up to it.

Have the UK already agreed a deal with Mercosur then?

"
Nope but bet you it wont take 20 years.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

A quick deal means a bad deal

Does it,does it really? its taken the mercosur deal 20 years to negotiate and all the eu countries still cant agree to sign up to it.

Have the UK already agreed a deal with Mercosur then?

"
They will lose alot, about 50% of the trade which is a big part of the economy, the eu, taken as a whole is the uk's largest trading partner, in 2018, uk exports to the eu were £291 billion (45% of all uk exports), uk imports from the eu were £357 billion (53% of all uk imports, where will uk get the money if they lose the deal?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

A quick deal means a bad deal

Does it,does it really? its taken the mercosur deal 20 years to negotiate and all the eu countries still cant agree to sign up to it.

Have the UK already agreed a deal with Mercosur then?

They will lose alot, about 50% of the trade which is a big part of the economy, the eu, taken as a whole is the uk's largest trading partner, in 2018, uk exports to the eu were £291 billion (45% of all uk exports), uk imports from the eu were £357 billion (53% of all uk imports, where will uk get the money if they lose the deal?"
So are you telling me shag that there will be NO trade between the eu and uk in the event of a no deal?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

A quick deal means a bad deal

Does it,does it really? its taken the mercosur deal 20 years to negotiate and all the eu countries still cant agree to sign up to it.

Have the UK already agreed a deal with Mercosur then?

They will lose alot, about 50% of the trade which is a big part of the economy, the eu, taken as a whole is the uk's largest trading partner, in 2018, uk exports to the eu were £291 billion (45% of all uk exports), uk imports from the eu were £357 billion (53% of all uk imports, where will uk get the money if they lose the deal?So are you telling me shag that there will be NO trade between the eu and uk in the event of a no deal?"

Of course there will be trade but why will there be a no deal when we’re promised a great deal ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

A quick deal means a bad deal

Does it,does it really? its taken the mercosur deal 20 years to negotiate and all the eu countries still cant agree to sign up to it."

Argentina is a member of this block. Don't forget about the Falklands. You may be very surprised how long the negotiations will last

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

A quick deal means a bad deal

Does it,does it really? its taken the mercosur deal 20 years to negotiate and all the eu countries still cant agree to sign up to it.

Have the UK already agreed a deal with Mercosur then?

They will lose alot, about 50% of the trade which is a big part of the economy, the eu, taken as a whole is the uk's largest trading partner, in 2018, uk exports to the eu were £291 billion (45% of all uk exports), uk imports from the eu were £357 billion (53% of all uk imports, where will uk get the money if they lose the deal?So are you telling me shag that there will be NO trade between the eu and uk in the event of a no deal?

Of course there will be trade but why will there be a no deal when we’re promised a great deal ? "
Exactly so those figures bear no resemblance whatsoever.Still time for a deal if the eu stop trying to keep the uk to eu rules.I dont see them demanding a level playing field with canada,china and other countries .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

A quick deal means a bad deal

Does it,does it really? its taken the mercosur deal 20 years to negotiate and all the eu countries still cant agree to sign up to it.

Have the UK already agreed a deal with Mercosur then?

They will lose alot, about 50% of the trade which is a big part of the economy, the eu, taken as a whole is the uk's largest trading partner, in 2018, uk exports to the eu were £291 billion (45% of all uk exports), uk imports from the eu were £357 billion (53% of all uk imports, where will uk get the money if they lose the deal?So are you telling me shag that there will be NO trade between the eu and uk in the event of a no deal?

Are we going to get a great deal or a no deal? You seem to be contradicting yourself?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

A quick deal means a bad deal

Does it,does it really? its taken the mercosur deal 20 years to negotiate and all the eu countries still cant agree to sign up to it.

Have the UK already agreed a deal with Mercosur then?

They will lose alot, about 50% of the trade which is a big part of the economy, the eu, taken as a whole is the uk's largest trading partner, in 2018, uk exports to the eu were £291 billion (45% of all uk exports), uk imports from the eu were £357 billion (53% of all uk imports, where will uk get the money if they lose the deal?So are you telling me shag that there will be NO trade between the eu and uk in the event of a no deal?

Of course there will be trade but why will there be a no deal when we’re promised a great deal ? Exactly so those figures bear no resemblance whatsoever.Still time for a deal if the eu stop trying to keep the uk to eu rules.I dont see them demanding a level playing field with canada,china and other countries . "
There will be trade yes but with tariffs set in place, there will still be a loss but less than 50% of the total trade.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

A quick deal means a bad deal

Does it,does it really? its taken the mercosur deal 20 years to negotiate and all the eu countries still cant agree to sign up to it.

Have the UK already agreed a deal with Mercosur then?

They will lose alot, about 50% of the trade which is a big part of the economy, the eu, taken as a whole is the uk's largest trading partner, in 2018, uk exports to the eu were £291 billion (45% of all uk exports), uk imports from the eu were £357 billion (53% of all uk imports, where will uk get the money if they lose the deal?So are you telling me shag that there will be NO trade between the eu and uk in the event of a no deal?

Of course there will be trade but why will there be a no deal when we’re promised a great deal ? Exactly so those figures bear no resemblance whatsoever.Still time for a deal if the eu stop trying to keep the uk to eu rules.I dont see them demanding a level playing field with canada,china and other countries . There will be trade yes but with tariffs set in place, there will still be a loss but less than 50% of the total trade."
Not a lot of point quoting those figures then.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

A quick deal means a bad deal

Does it,does it really? its taken the mercosur deal 20 years to negotiate and all the eu countries still cant agree to sign up to it.

Have the UK already agreed a deal with Mercosur then?

They will lose alot, about 50% of the trade which is a big part of the economy, the eu, taken as a whole is the uk's largest trading partner, in 2018, uk exports to the eu were £291 billion (45% of all uk exports), uk imports from the eu were £357 billion (53% of all uk imports, where will uk get the money if they lose the deal?So are you telling me shag that there will be NO trade between the eu and uk in the event of a no deal?

Of course there will be trade but why will there be a no deal when we’re promised a great deal ? Exactly so those figures bear no resemblance whatsoever.Still time for a deal if the eu stop trying to keep the uk to eu rules.I dont see them demanding a level playing field with canada,china and other countries . There will be trade yes but with tariffs set in place, there will still be a loss but less than 50% of the total trade.Not a lot of point quoting those figures then.

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Yes it is as to show what the uk currently have with the eu and that eu is uks biggest trading partner.

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By *ister.mrMan
over a year ago

newcastle

If we dont trade with eu,wont we be looking elsewhere to do business (eu stopped us doing that)which could result in more trade probably,and i seem to remember people losing confidence in the eu when migrants as far a syria where going to be allowed into the country which on past experiences cause ghettos and then the riots etc etc,lets see what happens before we all start arguing lol

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

A quick deal means a bad deal

Does it,does it really? its taken the mercosur deal 20 years to negotiate and all the eu countries still cant agree to sign up to it.

Have the UK already agreed a deal with Mercosur then?

They will lose alot, about 50% of the trade which is a big part of the economy, the eu, taken as a whole is the uk's largest trading partner, in 2018, uk exports to the eu were £291 billion (45% of all uk exports), uk imports from the eu were £357 billion (53% of all uk imports, where will uk get the money if they lose the deal?So are you telling me shag that there will be NO trade between the eu and uk in the event of a no deal?

Of course there will be trade but why will there be a no deal when we’re promised a great deal ? Exactly so those figures bear no resemblance whatsoever.Still time for a deal if the eu stop trying to keep the uk to eu rules.I dont see them demanding a level playing field with canada,china and other countries . There will be trade yes but with tariffs set in place, there will still be a loss but less than 50% of the total trade.Not a lot of point quoting those figures then.

Yes it is as to show what the uk currently have with the eu and that eu is uks biggest trading partner."
All it shows to me is that we import far more from the eu than export i would prefer trading partners where its the other way round.

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over a year ago

"If we dont trade with eu,wont we be looking elsewhere to do business (eu stopped us doing that)which could result in more trade probably,and i seem to remember people losing confidence in the eu when migrants as far a syria where going to be allowed into the country which on past experiences cause ghettos and then the riots etc etc,lets see what happens before we all start arguing lol"

What ??

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"At least we will be able to sort our own shit out without Brussels telling us we cant."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At least we will be able to sort our own shit out without Brussels telling us we cant.

I have already asked but here we go again , like what?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"At least we will be able to sort our own shit out without Brussels telling us we cant.

I have already asked but here we go again , like what?

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I have already answered that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At least we will be able to sort our own shit out without Brussels telling us we cant.

I have already asked but here we go again , like what?

I have already answered that.

You tried, but we already proved you were wrong. . What other ‘shit’ can we sort out when we leave the EU

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"At least we will be able to sort our own shit out without Brussels telling us we cant.

I have already asked but here we go again , like what?

Be waiting a long time for that answer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At least we will be able to sort our own shit out without Brussels telling us we cant.

I have already asked but here we go again , like what?

Be waiting a long time for that answer"

Apparently it has already been answered

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

or a start state aid rules,we can also use British firms for government contracts without putting them out to tender in the eu.Why do you think the eu want to tie us into their rules? they dont want the competition. where did you prove that as wrong?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"or a start state aid rules,we can also use British firms for government contracts without putting them out to tender in the eu.Why do you think the eu want to tie us into their rules? they dont want the competition. where did you prove that as wrong?

40 years of utter tripe about the EU in newspapers and from Boris has had the desired effect on you I see.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

40 years of utter tripe about the EU in newspapers and from Boris has had the desired effect on you I see."
yeah im happy he has managed to do what the people voted for thats what prime ministers are for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can you name a few British companies that have missed out on these government contracts ? Why did the government choose EU companies instead of British ones ? Do all government contracts have to go out to tender?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

40 years of utter tripe about the EU in newspapers and from Boris has had the desired effect on you I see.yeah im happy he has managed to do what the people voted for thats what prime ministers are for.

What has he done?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

What has he done?

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taken us out of the eu blimey mate where you been .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What has he done?

taken us out of the eu blimey mate where you been .

Ah yeah, did he get a good deal??

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Do you mean the same way the gmnt gives contracts to companies where no one else can apply?

That type of fair competition?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

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The point is we can look after the companies we have now.flybe might have benefited if we had been out but i see Germany have now changed the rules as lufthansa are in the crap.

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over a year ago

The point is we can look after the companies we have now.flybe might have benefited if we had been out but i see Germany have now changed the rules as lufthansa are in the crap. "

How did Germany manage to change the rules? They are in the EU?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

The point is we can look after the companies we have now.flybe might have benefited if we had been out but i see Germany have now changed the rules as lufthansa are in the crap.

How did Germany manage to change the rules? They are in the EU?

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read up on it mate state aid for airlines,you really dont keep up with news do you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The point is we can look after the companies we have now.flybe might have benefited if we had been out but i see Germany have now changed the rules as lufthansa are in the crap.

How did Germany manage to change the rules? They are in the EU?

read up on it mate state aid for airlines,you really dont keep up with news do you."

Your making no sense at all, did the EU stop the government from bailing out FlyBe ?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

The point is we can look after the companies we have now.flybe might have benefited if we had been out but i see Germany have now changed the rules as lufthansa are in the crap.

How did Germany manage to change the rules? They are in the EU?

read up on it mate state aid for airlines,you really dont keep up with news do you.

Your making no sense at all, did the EU stop the government from bailing out FlyBe ? "
Indirectly yes The European commission said it was ready to discuss the bailout and warned that any state aid should not distort competition.BA and ryanair would have taken them to court over unfair competition and the eu would have upheld it so the government had no chance to help them.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Maybe I'm being a bit thick here but isnt that the whole point of a common market?surely we signed upto this?

What's the point of being in a market where you prioritize your own company's?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Maybe I'm being a bit thick here but isnt that the whole point of a common market?surely we signed upto this?

What's the point of being in a market where you prioritize your own company's?"
Now we have signed out of it.

There is not one country in the eu where the uk has a trade surplus not one,now i would prefer to up our trade with countries that dont want to take the piss and trade on more equal terms like canada,usa,singapore,Switzerland,s korea,hong kong etc who we have a trade surplus with.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

its been fun but must go now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The point is we can look after the companies we have now.flybe might have benefited if we had been out but i see Germany have now changed the rules as lufthansa are in the crap.

How did Germany manage to change the rules? They are in the EU?

read up on it mate state aid for airlines,you really dont keep up with news do you.

Your making no sense at all, did the EU stop the government from bailing out FlyBe ? Indirectly yes The European commission said it was ready to discuss the bailout and warned that any state aid should not distort competition.BA and ryanair would have taken them to court over unfair competition and the eu would have upheld it so the government had no chance to help them.

Indirectly? Seems vague. Are you suggesting that it would have been fair for the government to bail out FlyBe? Your making a bit of a fool of yourself here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"its been fun but must go now.

Seeya, better luck next time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We don't need a deal as such. Just say to them we won't tax eu goods if you don't tax ours. It's not rocket science they would have to pay more if they didn’t agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We don't need a deal as such. Just say to them we won't tax eu goods if you don't tax ours. It's not rocket science they would have to pay more if they didn’t agree. "

, brilliant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On the back of lies.... congratulations

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We don't need a deal as such. Just say to them we won't tax eu goods if you don't tax ours. It's not rocket science they would have to pay more if they didn’t agree. "

I think this is the 'they need us more than we need them' line. We just can shake off that Empire complex can we...

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Maybe I'm being a bit thick here but isnt that the whole point of a common market?surely we signed upto this?

What's the point of being in a market where you prioritize your own company's?Now we have signed out of it.

If it was so damaging..why didn't we just veto?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"We don't need a deal as such. Just say to them we won't tax eu goods if you don't tax ours. It's not rocket science they would have to pay more if they didn’t agree.

I think this is the 'they need us more than we need them' line. We just can shake off that Empire complex can we..."

Lockdown?pfft .what do those Europeans know?

We will take it on the chin.

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By *rSinCityMan
over a year ago

London

You are not the sharpest tool in the shed, if you see that as a win. What do you think will happen to british consumers when there will be no EU competition on these contracts? Those british corporations that lose the contracts now are charging more than EU counterparts and what do you think will happen then they will have little to no competition? Will they go like '' oh we were charging fellow brits before, but we will make discounts now'' or will they go '' we will charge the shit out of these fuckers since we got now competition now ( even though they are fellow brits)''

What do you think those british corporation will choose?

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By *ister.mrMan
over a year ago

newcastle

Theres no telling some of you,how you belittle anybody who opposes your views,nit picking at the persons views,hard luck ,it was a good idea until we realised its all about germany then of course the french,democratically voted ourselves out of it,the peoples choice,what could be more fair,what can you do,fuck all,40yrs of eec,lets see what 40yrs out of the eu is like,maybe you should start thinking of moving over there if its that good,doesnt sound like youre goin to enjoy the future,you know free movement of people and all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Theres no telling some of you,how you belittle anybody who opposes your views,nit picking at the persons views,hard luck ,it was a good idea until we realised its all about germany then of course the french,democratically voted ourselves out of it,the peoples choice,what could be more fair,what can you do,fuck all,40yrs of eec,lets see what 40yrs out of the eu is like,maybe you should start thinking of moving over there if its that good,doesnt sound like youre goin to enjoy the future,you know free movement of people and all

You fail to realise we had a superb deal, our own currency, a seat at the top table and in the the most successful trading block in the world. Literally nothing, happened on the EU without our say so.

'Nit picking' as you call it is probably reference to those facts that everybody hates these days. I knew we had lost the plot when listening to s certain radio station. A woman rung in and said she had voted Leave well aware that she would probably lose her business by doing so, literally voted to be poorer. I knew then, a no deal is the only way for people to realise what they will lose. I just really know what it is they think they have won??

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"I'm waiting to see the reaction from the brexiteers when the penny drops that leaving the eu is not the answer to all our problems.

Unfortunately the penny will never drop, they will blame the EU, they will blame the pandemic they will blame remain voters "

Sadly true

I think we are in a mess and it’s about to get a whole lot worse !!

Btw American chlorinated chicken and hormone treated beef is now very likely and as long as it arrives in U.K. and is then put into food products in can be labelled UK chicken.

Why are we accepting this crap from our so called leaders? How is that protecting the food chain and why do we want lower standards? It’s not adding up to me.

Vested interests ??? No surely not !!

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

"We don't need a deal as such. Just say to them we won't tax eu goods if you don't tax ours. It's not rocket science they would have to pay more if they didn’t agree. "

And as soon as you put £1 into the British Steel corporation it’s tagged as subsidy so full tariffs will apply.

I’m sure the German and French steel makers will support the UK .. hmmmm

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

Well Nissan have shut plants in Spain but keeping Sunderland open not exactly what remoaners forcast ha ha

The EU is destitude due to the virus so best to take a six month extension to negotiate a good deal for us.This virus increases the need to leave the EU but must be on our terms

With world trade in bits due to world recession a good time to get trade deals

The Nissan/Sunderland thing doesn't have much to do with brexit.

It effectively comes down to keeping the Sunderland plant open as what they make is popular in our internal market.

Eg, the company will downscale production as announced and keep it strictly for internal market production.

To clarify less car exports.

So as you can see this isn't a brexit win."

I speak most days to some of the staff at the Barcelona site. They are good people but seriously upset at what's happened. They were told when the UK voted to leave the EU that it was great news for them and Sunderland would be hit hard probably close and they would get the work. Turns out the opposite happened hence their anger.

The Sunderland plant makes far to many cars for domestic sales. Also it is being negotiated for Sunderland to build some Renault cars as they use the same platform. No idea about the thinking with these changes given we are told the car industry in the UK will be decimated now we are out of EU.

Sadly no such plans for Barcelona to be sold to another motor manufacturer

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"think boris will let the end of june come and go.

I agree, we will leave without a deal then he can blame the subsequent financial disaster on the pandemic, but that is what the leave voters wanted

to be honest the financial an social shitstorm coming from this virus and the loss of jobs from it is gona make brexit look like a storm in a tea cup

Other countries only have to deal with the damage caused by the virus. We have to deal with the double whammy of Brexit and the virus.

Although it does look like the damage caused by the virus will be worse than the damage caused by brexit. So that's a win for people who voted for it maybe?"
the other 27 eu country’s will have to deal with the damage caused by Brexit aswell lol

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Its staggering isn't it?

Like I said earlier its probally the biggest decision this country has made in the last 50 years and I've still yet to hear just 1 cast iron benefit for leaving..just vague bullshit about taking back control.

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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago

Manchester

Well Nissan have shut plants in Spain but keeping Sunderland open not exactly what remoaners forcast ha ha

The EU is destitude due to the virus so best to take a six month extension to negotiate a good deal for us.This virus increases the need to leave the EU but must be on our terms

With world trade in bits due to world recession a good time to get trade deals

The Nissan/Sunderland thing doesn't have much to do with brexit.

It effectively comes down to keeping the Sunderland plant open as what they make is popular in our internal market.

Eg, the company will downscale production as announced and keep it strictly for internal market production.

To clarify less car exports.

So as you can see this isn't a brexit win.

Sadly no such plans for Barcelona to be sold to another motor manufacturer"

I don’t know the detail so am not questioning the deal and don’t question the correctness if your comments as you obviously know about it, but am I right in remembering the quote from Nissan? “Sunderland will be kept open subject to productivity improvements /targets”.

I wouldn’t want to be the union rep arguing against anything Nisan want going forward !

Jobs will be thin on the ground going forward after Covid and Brexit.

Also I understand the Jaguar Land Rover site in the Czech Republic has been expanded far more than is needed with any public plans they have announced.

Wonder why??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"think boris will let the end of june come and go.

I agree, we will leave without a deal then he can blame the subsequent financial disaster on the pandemic, but that is what the leave voters wanted

to be honest the financial an social shitstorm coming from this virus and the loss of jobs from it is gona make brexit look like a storm in a tea cup

Other countries only have to deal with the damage caused by the virus. We have to deal with the double whammy of Brexit and the virus.

Although it does look like the damage caused by the virus will be worse than the damage caused by brexit. So that's a win for people who voted for it maybe?the other 27 eu country’s will have to deal with the damage caused by Brexit aswell lol"

And are you happy about this?

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

Well Nissan have shut plants in Spain but keeping Sunderland open not exactly what remoaners forcast ha ha

The EU is destitude due to the virus so best to take a six month extension to negotiate a good deal for us.This virus increases the need to leave the EU but must be on our terms

With world trade in bits due to world recession a good time to get trade deals

The Nissan/Sunderland thing doesn't have much to do with brexit.

It effectively comes down to keeping the Sunderland plant open as what they make is popular in our internal market.

Eg, the company will downscale production as announced and keep it strictly for internal market production.

To clarify less car exports.

So as you can see this isn't a brexit win.

Sadly no such plans for Barcelona to be sold to another motor manufacturer

I wouldn’t want to be the union rep arguing against anything Nisan want going forward !

Jobs will be thin on the ground going forward after Covid and Brexit.

Also I understand the Jaguar Land Rover site in the Czech Republic has been expanded far more than is needed with any public plans they have announced.

Wonder why??

I am talking about what was predicted by a leave vote, what the good people of Barcelona were told and what has actually happened. The Sunderland plant is one of the very best in the world but was under threat by the situation. Many said it would be the end but the bosses made a business decision. It was always hoped given its productivity it could stay open even if it had to scale back. What has actually happened is massive investment last year and now ramping up even bigger. The amount produced is far greater than domestic use and will supply all of Europe with the models it makes. Renault is in an alliance with Nissan and use the same platforms so makes sense to produce at same plant but that's still to be agreed and is in the wake of Renault laying off 15000 people.

I am pleased for the Sunderland plant but sad about my Spanish college's .

Have a few contacts at JLR who report they are getting back to what passes as normal these days and work is increasing quickly especially now China is back online and buying again

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"The other 27 EU countries will have to deal with the damage caused by Brexit as well lol"

Not on their own, like the UK will.

Maybe the 'Brexit Dividend' will save us from the virus? After all, we've got that £350 million a week everyone voted for, to spend on the NHS now.

Haven't we?

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"At least we will be able to sort our own shit out without Brussels telling us we cant."

Jokes on you, if we trade with EU companies Brussels will still tell us what to do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52900528

Pesky reality bites again...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

A quick deal means a bad deal

Does it,does it really? its taken the mercosur deal 20 years to negotiate and all the eu countries still cant agree to sign up to it.

Have the UK already agreed a deal with Mercosur then?

They will lose alot, about 50% of the trade which is a big part of the economy, the eu, taken as a whole is the uk's largest trading partner, in 2018, uk exports to the eu were £291 billion (45% of all uk exports), uk imports from the eu were £357 billion (53% of all uk imports, where will uk get the money if they lose the deal?So are you telling me shag that there will be NO trade between the eu and uk in the event of a no deal?

Of course there will be trade but why will there be a no deal when we’re promised a great deal ? Exactly so those figures bear no resemblance whatsoever.Still time for a deal if the eu stop trying to keep the uk to eu rules.I dont see them demanding a level playing field with canada,china and other countries . There will be trade yes but with tariffs set in place, there will still be a loss but less than 50% of the total trade.Not a lot of point quoting those figures then.

Yes it is as to show what the uk currently have with the eu and that eu is uks biggest trading partner.All it shows to me is that we import far more from the eu than export i would prefer trading partners where its the other way round."
It is still the biggest trading partner uk have and ever will have. I cant see boris striking any other deals with the world or other standing knocking on the door waiting for trade with the uk cos otherwise there should already be interest before the transition period is over here.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52900528

Pesky reality bites again..."

Well, quite. Did Sunderland go Tory at the last election? If they didn't, will Boris answer the phone to their MPs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

How much faster? Bare in mind if we leave with a no deal we will have no deals

Please name th last trade dealer the EU made that we (2nd biggest economy in the eu ) was at the table. "

Just want to pop into this cause nobody tackled it.

By default up until Jan this year when we formally started the legal withdrawal, all trade arrangements with non-eu nations and trade blocs had to be ratified by member states

So by default we were at the table, that is the point of a trade bloc or political union, compromises are made by the member states, everyone weights in, but the advantage for compromise is that your part of the biggest negotiator at the table.

Let's just remember that even without the UK the EEA bloc is the most developed and economically powerful negotiator on the world stage. As others have stated, this is why it is in American economic interest that the bloc breaks, and in Chinese and russian interests, as individual member states have less geopolitical clout.

But to answer your original qs, as of 2014 through to 2019, the EU with the UK involved in negotiations has orchestrated 7 trade deals, 5 are with individual countries, two are two political and economic blocs, the south African blocs and the Pacific Islander blocs. These trade arrangements are in effect band active.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple
over a year ago

Thornaby

"so how much do you think the uk will lose every year from leaving?

You voted leave? You must have know what you were voting for? It sounds like your not really sure? Is it a great deal? a deal? No deal ? Of course the EU will keep trading with the UK, just like the UK will have you trade with the EU? You must be dreaming if you think we will get the same or better deal then we had before I never said we will get the same or better deal but the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster even the eu know that 90% of trade will be outside the eu in the next 10 years

"the shackles will be off to do other deals a lot faster". Faster than 0.00 seconds? wow. Because we already had the trade deals as part of the EU.

Still this instant trade deal you speak of sounds amazing. At least it would if.

A. Speed was the most important thing.

B. It wasn't bollocks.Twist it how you like mate your cheap jibs mean fuck all to me but im sure you understood that the uk can do faster deals with the rest of the world than the eu.

A quick deal means a bad deal

Does it,does it really? its taken the mercosur deal 20 years to negotiate and all the eu countries still cant agree to sign up to it.

Have the UK already agreed a deal with Mercosur then?

They will lose alot, about 50% of the trade which is a big part of the economy, the eu, taken as a whole is the uk's largest trading partner, in 2018, uk exports to the eu were £291 billion (45% of all uk exports), uk imports from the eu were £357 billion (53% of all uk imports, where will uk get the money if they lose the deal?So are you telling me shag that there will be NO trade between the eu and uk in the event of a no deal?

Your memory must be slipping.

If you want to sell goods in the EU the products have to be to EU standards.

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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago

northeast

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By *nglishdoodMan
over a year ago

Morristown

Just something to remember: the recent trade deal between the EU and Canada, that everyone involved wanted and largely agreed on at the start took 7 years to negotiate and put to bed.

Just how many negotiators does the UK have to put dozens or hundreds of deals in place on 'day one?'

How in the hell can we possibly have a deal with the EU, where there are so many deal-breaking and divisive issues already, inside 6 months?

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Just something to remember: the recent trade deal between the EU and Canada, that everyone involved wanted and largely agreed on at the start took 7 years to negotiate and put to bed.

Just how many negotiators does the UK have to put dozens or hundreds of deals in place on 'day one?'

How in the hell can we possibly have a deal with the EU, where there are so many deal-breaking and divisive issues already, inside 6 months?"

I’m sorry but this kind of logic, sense, truth and fact has no place here! All the Brexit ‘truth’ says that our Masters will get it sorted for us...

They obviously won’t, it will be another BJ clusterfuck but people just don’t realise yet

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Maybe I'm being a bit thick here but isnt that the whole point of a common market?surely we signed upto this?

What's the point of being in a market where you prioritize your own company's?Now we have signed out of it.

How can we share on "more equal terms" than with those in a single market with the same rules and regulations and no internal tariffs?

You have really, really missed the point in trying to "win".

Who benefits and how if we have a fraction of the trade but a small surplus?

Who actually loses if we have a trade deficit?

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52900528

Pesky reality bites again..."

Ha welcome To nissan politics. It's exactly what was said leading up to the referendum. Then if article 50 was signed. Then if the withdrawal went though. All the time pumping billions in. Those that paid the price are my colleagues

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52900528

Pesky reality bites again...

I'm sorry, I forgot you know better than the boss at Nissan, silly me. Give him a bell, he needs a swinger to tell him he is talking bullshit

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52900528

Pesky reality bites again...

I'm sorry, I forgot you know better than the boss at Nissan, silly me. Give him a bell, he needs a swinger to tell him he is talking bullshit

I worked for them leading to the referendum and after. Now I work in their supply chain. The message was the same and always when they expected it would have most effect. This latest one just happened to be in the lead up to the decision if to request an extension - what a surprise. I speak from personal experience and being in the industry linked to nissan. The people in Spain listened to the same messages and were told it made them safe. Now they are shutting their plant instead.

No job in any country can ever be safe but go by what actually happens rather than political messages

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52900528

Pesky reality bites again...

I'm sorry, I forgot you know better than the boss at Nissan, silly me. Give him a bell, he needs a swinger to tell him he is talking bullshit

No job in any country can ever be safe but go by what actually happens rather than political messages"

Shouldn't you be running the place then if you know best???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No,no job is safe but you don't impose economic sanctions on yourself in order to lose jobs. I thought I was supposed to be the one that hated my country??

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52900528

Pesky reality bites again...

I'm sorry, I forgot you know better than the boss at Nissan, silly me. Give him a bell, he needs a swinger to tell him he is talking bullshit

No job in any country can ever be safe but go by what actually happens rather than political messages

Shouldn't you be running the place then if you know best???"

Like you being PM?

I'm just giving my opinion based on first hand experience. As I say what actually happens is what's important.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52900528

Pesky reality bites again...

Nissan received a huge, secret, denied subsidy which was then rescinded after they had committed to tooling and manufacture.

As you should be well aware.

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52900528

Pesky reality bites again...

Nissan received a huge, secret, denied subsidy which was then rescinded after they had committed to tooling and manufacture.

As you should be well aware."

As said I speak from personal experience not based on political quotes. You say secret and then say I should know it. I know longer work directly for them but supply them and work closely with the people in Spain but not for much longer.

The cost of decommissioning the Barcelona ant was greater than keeping it open but they went ahead anyway

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52900528

Pesky reality bites again...

Nissan received a huge, secret, denied subsidy which was then rescinded after they had committed to tooling and manufacture.

As you should be well aware.

The cost of decommissioning the Barcelona ant was greater than keeping it open but they went ahead anyway"

It was secret. Not so much now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3881692/Ministers-sent-ditch-letter-promising-protect-Nissan-Brexit-costs-face-calls-reveal-details-deal-kept-car-maker-UK.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/04/government-letter-to-nissan-reveals-brexit-promise-to-carmarkers

Nissan will stay because the government will pay for every penny that it is out of pocket.

Why would they ever leave if you, I and everyone else is paying them to stay?

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By *kstallionMan
over a year ago

milton keynes

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52900528

Pesky reality bites again...

Nissan received a huge, secret, denied subsidy which was then rescinded after they had committed to tooling and manufacture.

As you should be well aware.

The cost of decommissioning the Barcelona ant was greater than keeping it open but they went ahead anyway

It was secret. Not so much now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3881692/Ministers-sent-ditch-letter-promising-protect-Nissan-Brexit-costs-face-calls-reveal-details-deal-kept-car-maker-UK.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/04/government-letter-to-nissan-reveals-brexit-promise-to-carmarkers

Nissan will stay because the government will pay for every penny that it is out of pocket.

Why would they ever leave if you, I and everyone else is paying them to stay?"

Oh your talking about old news. I thought you meant something new not the money for the X trail.

Seems you are at odd with some on here as they insist it will close

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52900528

Pesky reality bites again...

Nissan received a huge, secret, denied subsidy which was then rescinded after they had committed to tooling and manufacture.

As you should be well aware.

The cost of decommissioning the Barcelona ant was greater than keeping it open but they went ahead anyway

It was secret. Not so much now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3881692/Ministers-sent-ditch-letter-promising-protect-Nissan-Brexit-costs-face-calls-reveal-details-deal-kept-car-maker-UK.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/04/government-letter-to-nissan-reveals-brexit-promise-to-carmarkers

Nissan will stay because the government will pay for every penny that it is out of pocket.

Why would they ever leave if you, I and everyone else is paying them to stay?

Oh your talking about old news. I thought you meant something new not the money for the X trail.

Seems you are at odd with some on here as they insist it will close"

They will if we stop paying and it becomes uneconomic to remain.

Again, that's the point. It only makes business sense to stay if they are being paid to.

Also, with a nice pay wall to increase the cost of any competing products they have a nice little captive market.

That's not really a win is it?