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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

TOAST....... It's only a matter of time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Goings

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bread can be made into toast which is very very nice with butter and jam.

Cummings is a sacked man walking and dresses like a blind man in a hurry and has the features of a circumcised cock and comes across as not being very nice therefore in summary

Toast = nice

Cummings= not nice.

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

I wish you were right, OP, but every mi ute that passes makes him safer and safer.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

Cummings decides if Cummings stays.

The Prime Minister threw himself under a bus for him on Sunday.

I think that the job titles are confusing you about the real power balance.

Only the Prime Minister can dismiss him but has bee "advised" not to by his advisor.

They will brazen it out.

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

I think Boris will resign if Cummings has to go. I think Boris will decide that he has had enough and doesn't need this shit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Firstly let me say I started the first post calling for him to go. I'm certainly no fan.

But...to play devil's advocate the written guidance (available online) at the time, did give discretion for looking after children etc. He "may" have acted lawfully...but there are other allegations too.

Over timing, a trip to Barnard Castle, a second trip?

London to Durham means using the M1/A1. These roads have significant numbers of ANPR cameras. There will be others in Durham and Barnard Castle. I assume his phone's location could also be traced? It should therefore be easy to find the facts.

Rather than trial by media let's hope they check on this....certainly then, if shown, sack him and fine him.

Either way the distraction he has become, the confusion he has caused means any way he should go.

Boris said "he acted with integrity". I have great difficulty having the word integrity in the same sentence as Cummings..... but lets do this factually rather than emotionally.

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By *izzabelle and well hungCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

Good for him. Doing what’s right for his family.

poor little cob idiots just want a news story.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Firstly let me say I started the first post calling for him to go. I'm certainly no fan.

Over timing, a trip to Barnard Castle, a second trip?

Rather than trial by media let's hope they check on this....certainly then, if shown, sack him and fine him.

Either way the distraction he has become, the confusion he has caused means any way he should go.

Boris said "he acted with integrity". I have great difficulty having the word integrity in the same sentence as Cummings..... but lets do this factually rather than emotionally. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good for him. Doing what’s right for his family.

poor little cob idiots just want a news story. "

Really if the whole country took that attitude no one would of followed any of the lock down guidance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bread can be made into toast which is very very nice with butter and jam.

Cummings is a sacked man walking and dresses like a blind man in a hurry and has the features of a circumcised cock and comes across as not being very nice therefore in summary

Toast = nice

Cummings= not nice.

You are brilliant!! Haha! Xx

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"Firstly let me say I started the first post calling for him to go. I'm certainly no fan.

Over timing, a trip to Barnard Castle, a second trip?

Rather than trial by media let's hope they check on this....certainly then, if shown, sack him and fine him.

Either way the distraction he has become, the confusion he has caused means any way he should go.

Boris said "he acted with integrity". I have great difficulty having the word integrity in the same sentence as Cummings..... but lets do this factually rather than emotionally. "

I'm really not sure where you get your claim that the guidance gives room for discretion. Here's what the guidance in force at the relevant time says - "if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill."

So tell me - did you research the guidance yourself, and if so, where? If not, where did you cut and paste your claim that discretion was provided for from?

Mr Icebreaker

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Good for him. Doing what’s right for his family.

poor little cob idiots just want a news story. "
so it's right to take himself and his child from a house were his wife is already infected travel the length of the country spend time with two elderly people who are therefore vulnerable. whilst telling everybody else to stay at home not go out dont visit vulnerable people .why travel 260 Miles when his sister in law is 2 miles away ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At least we are safe in the knowledge that we hate being ruled by unelected bureaucrats.....oops

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Firstly let me say I started the first post calling for him to go. I'm certainly no fan.

Over timing, a trip to Barnard Castle, a second trip?

Rather than trial by media let's hope they check on this....certainly then, if shown, sack him and fine him.

Either way the distraction he has become, the confusion he has caused means any way he should go.

Boris said "he acted with integrity". I have great difficulty having the word integrity in the same sentence as Cummings..... but lets do this factually rather than emotionally. "

Let's do it factually. Please point out the discretion where one of two parents being ill necessitates driving to stay with vulnerable grandparents.

This is the advice on this:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-are-living-with-children

Stay at home: guidance for households with possible coronavirus (COVID-19) infection

Updated 18 May 2020

"Main messages

if you live alone and you have symptoms of coronavirus illness (COVID-19), however mild, stay at home for at least 7 days from when your symptoms started. (The ending isolation section below has more information)

after 7 days, if you do not have a high temperature, you do not need to continue to self-isolate. If you still have a high temperature, keep self-isolating until your temperature returns to normal. You do not need to self-isolate if you only have a cough or anosmia after 7 days, as these symptoms can last for several weeks after the infection has gone

if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill. See the explanatory diagram

for anyone else in the household who starts displaying symptoms, they need to stay at home for at least 7 days from when the symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14 day isolation period. The ending isolation section below has more information, and see the explanatory diagram

staying at home for 14 days will greatly reduce the overall amount of infection the household could pass on to others in the community

if you can, move any vulnerable individuals (such as the elderly and those with underlying health conditions) out of your home, to stay with friends or family for the duration of the home isolation period

if you cannot move vulnerable people out of your home, stay away from them as much as possible

reduce the spread of infection in your home: wash your hands regularly for 20 seconds, each time using soap and water, or use hand sanitiser; cover coughs and sneezes

if you have coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms:

do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital

you do not need to contact 111 to tell them you’re staying at home

testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) is not needed if you’re staying at home

if you feel you cannot cope with your symptoms at home, or your condition gets worse, or your symptoms do not get better after 7 days, then use the NHS 111 online coronavirus (COVID-19) service. If you do not have internet access, call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999

if you develop new coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms at any point after ending your first period of isolation (self or household) then you need to follow the same guidance on self-isolation again"

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS
over a year ago

Blackpool

If Cummings goes, then Stephen kinnock has to go too,if we are playing this game....

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Firstly let me say I started the first post calling for him to go. I'm certainly no fan.

Over timing, a trip to Barnard Castle, a second trip?

Rather than trial by media let's hope they check on this....certainly then, if shown, sack him and fine him.

Either way the distraction he has become, the confusion he has caused means any way he should go.

Boris said "he acted with integrity". I have great difficulty having the word integrity in the same sentence as Cummings..... but lets do this factually rather than emotionally. "

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By *exy7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"If Cummings goes, then Stephen kinnock has to go too,if we are playing this game.... "

Who cares about Kinnock? Only tory lovers Like you do. Kinnock can be a collateral damage of this, nobody will give a toss.

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By *ilverAndGreyMan
over a year ago

Near Walsall

I’ve been reading these forum messages while lockdown been in place, seeing as there’s nothing better to do. We have a lot of arm chair politicians who should run for government. They harp on about Boris and Cummings but the Labour side isn’t sweet and innocent either.

Lord Alan Haworth - travelled from London to his second home in Scotland, Tahiti Ali MP - went to a funeral with 100 attendees, Stephen Kinnock MP - travelled from Wales to London to see his Dad.

Has the new Labour leader( what ever his name is) asked for these people to step down or resign, No. There’s 2 sides to everything and in politics they’re both as bad as each other.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"If Cummings goes, then Stephen kinnock has to go too,if we are playing this game.... "

Cummings and Kinnock were both wrong but their wrongs have been equalised out, what will get cummings is if any further evidence appears of day trips out whilst there or of a second journey to Durham..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If Cummings goes, then Stephen kinnock has to go too,if we are playing this game.... "

...and Robert Jenrick, although neither of them knowingly had covid at the time which is what makes Cummings position even more untenable.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"I’ve been reading these forum messages while lockdown been in place, seeing as there’s nothing better to do. We have a lot of arm chair politicians who should run for government. They harp on about Boris and Cummings but the Labour side isn’t sweet and innocent either.

Lord Alan Haworth - travelled from London to his second home in Scotland, Tahiti Ali MP - went to a funeral with 100 attendees, Stephen Kinnock MP - travelled from Wales to London to see his Dad.

Has the new Labour leader( what ever his name is) asked for these people to step down or resign, No. There’s 2 sides to everything and in politics they’re both as bad as each other. "

None of these people set government policy and messaging or sit on the SAGE committee.

Their behaviour is stupid and reprehensible but does not blatantly undermine government advice.

Both Professor Neil Ferguson and Dr Catherine Caldewrwood resigned for this reason.

Jenrick should also have done.

There are not two sides to this.

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By *ab jamesMan
over a year ago

ribble valley

If I was his dad, he'd be getting a clip round the ear for being a moron(again). Why would he drive, a possibly infected child hundreds of miles, to his parents, who could possibly be very poorly (or worse). Oh, and he'd get a kick up his ass, to start the journey home.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Lord Alan Haworth - travelled from London to his second home in Scotland, Tahiti Ali MP - went to a funeral with 100 attendees, Stephen Kinnock MP - travelled from Wales to London to see his Dad.

Has the new Labour leader( what ever his name is) asked for these people to step down or resign, No. There’s 2 sides to everything and in politics they’re both as bad as each other.

None of these people set government policy and messaging or sit on the SAGE committee.

Their behaviour is stupid and reprehensible but does not blatantly undermine government advice.

Both Professor Neil Ferguson and Dr Catherine Caldewrwood resigned for this reason.

Jenrick should also have done.

There are not two sides to this."

But it does show that there is only rule for them and another for the plebs though.

They should have gone and so should he.

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By *ungBlackTopMan
over a year ago

salford

Bigger things going on in the world tha Cummings. Every fucker has broke the lockdown rule, blood hypocrites. No one should throw stones as everyone is just as guilty. People love to point blame at shit they know nothing about.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Lord Alan Haworth - travelled from London to his second home in Scotland, Tahiti Ali MP - went to a funeral with 100 attendees, Stephen Kinnock MP - travelled from Wales to London to see his Dad.

Has the new Labour leader( what ever his name is) asked for these people to step down or resign, No. There’s 2 sides to everything and in politics they’re both as bad as each other.

None of these people set government policy and messaging or sit on the SAGE committee.

Their behaviour is stupid and reprehensible but does not blatantly undermine government advice.

Both Professor Neil Ferguson and Dr Catherine Caldewrwood resigned for this reason.

Jenrick should also have done.

There are not two sides to this.

But it does show that there is only rule for them and another for the plebs though.

They should have gone and so should he.

*one not only.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Firstly let me say I started the first post calling for him to go. I'm certainly no fan.

Over timing, a trip to Barnard Castle, a second trip?

Rather than trial by media let's hope they check on this....certainly then, if shown, sack him and fine him.

Either way the distraction he has become, the confusion he has caused means any way he should go.

Boris said "he acted with integrity". I have great difficulty having the word integrity in the same sentence as Cummings..... but lets do this factually rather than emotionally.

So tell me - did you research the guidance yourself, and if so, where? If not, where did you cut and paste your claim that discretion was provided for from?

Mr Icebreaker"

Deputy CMO (Jenny) during briefing Q+A 24 March and repeated last night regarding safeguarding.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*and I did say I was playing devils advocate to avoid the thread becoming a one sided rant.

I was tge first to start a thread saying he should go....I agree that using his sister may have been no different to his sister-in-law...I don't know the family circumstances. It also "seems" he had no contact with parents and stayed in adjacent house.

Lets just get to the facts....then kick him out.

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By *heIcebreakersCouple
over a year ago

Cramlington

"Firstly let me say I started the first post calling for him to go. I'm certainly no fan.

Over timing, a trip to Barnard Castle, a second trip?

Rather than trial by media let's hope they check on this....certainly then, if shown, sack him and fine him.

Either way the distraction he has become, the confusion he has caused means any way he should go.

Boris said "he acted with integrity". I have great difficulty having the word integrity in the same sentence as Cummings..... but lets do this factually rather than emotionally.

So tell me - did you research the guidance yourself, and if so, where? If not, where did you cut and paste your claim that discretion was provided for from?

Mr Icebreaker

Deputy CMO (Jenny) during briefing Q+A 24 March and repeated last night regarding safeguarding.

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Let me be polite here. That's utter bullshit. Safeguarding is a specific legal and local authority term, not a matter of convenience or choice. referring to safeguarding was HArries making clear that you could remove a child or vulnerable adult from the home, during isolation, if there were safeguarding concerns, not providing for people to piss off halfway across the country to stay in the family granny flat.

When Cummins drove to Durham he was fit and well. There were no safeguarding concerns at the time although with parents like these maybe the competence of the parents merits a clsoer look sicne they;re clearly devoid of moral skills. If both parents were unwell in London they could have ben supported through local authority hubs, as thousands of families have been. Cummings could have complied if he had seen fit to do so. Frankly, I'm appalled by the way people seem happy to say that the published guidelines, which were clear and succinct, could be waived because of twisted interpretations of what was said at a press conference.

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By *hilMan
over a year ago

HOUGHTON LE SPRING

I don't call putting a child in the confined space for 5-6 hours with Covid as safe guarding, or responsible.

It's putting the child at risk from Covid.

Alternative arrangements should have been made for removing child. Either by having the child collected.

This child is just being used as an excuse to visit Durham. Someone who had spoke to Cummings mother said there had been an uncle's death and it was a reunion to console parents share their grief. Still not acceptable under Covid lockdown rules.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bigger things going on in the world tha Cummings. Every fucker has broke the lockdown rule, blood hypocrites. No one should throw stones as everyone is just as guilty. People love to point blame at shit they know nothing about."

It's not about Cummings, it's about trust and a government that manipulates the truth. The contempt this government has for the people of this country is astonishing

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

If Mr c goes then Boris won't be far behind ...he would be lost ....nothing from the chancellor or rab....maybe they getting ready for shit coming....or leadership

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Firstly let me say I started the first post calling for him to go. I'm certainly no fan.

Over timing, a trip to Barnard Castle, a second trip?

Rather than trial by media let's hope they check on this....certainly then, if shown, sack him and fine him.

Either way the distraction he has become, the confusion he has caused means any way he should go.

Boris said "he acted with integrity". I have great difficulty having the word integrity in the same sentence as Cummings..... but lets do this factually rather than emotionally.

So tell me - did you research the guidance yourself, and if so, where? If not, where did you cut and paste your claim that discretion was provided for from?

Mr Icebreaker

Deputy CMO (Jenny) during briefing Q+A 24 March and repeated last night regarding safeguarding.

Let's have a look at that shall we?

On the day after the lockdown, on March 24, deputy chief medical officer for England, Dr Jenny Harries, said: "Clearly if you have adults who are unable to look after a small child, that is an exceptional circumstance.

And if the individuals do not have access to care support - formal care support - or to family, they will be able to work through their local authority hubs."

Cummings was able to take care of his child throughout.

Nothing here says that you should travel several hundred miles just in case both of you might become ill.

It also provides provision for support if you need help but cannot reach other forms of help.

Driving several hundred miles whilst infected is not okay or necessary.

Of you feel a need to defend Cummings, try a harder because this is flimsy.

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

If your wife goes into labour and you break the speed limit then you may get a speeding ticket but that does mean what you did was wrong. Likewise this was an exception circumstance and he did what was best for his family.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to add something to all the mentions of "Safeguarding". I clearly remember both Boris and Patel talking about Safeguarding in the context of vulnerable children within unsafe households. That is, violent households where a child could be in danger from one or both parents. In fact the government arrange for those children to be able to go to school during the lockdown and still applies.

Cummings does not fall into that category therefore how anyone from government thinks that using the term "safeguarding" in Cummings case is acceptable beggers belief.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

Cummings is one of the most powerful people in the country - he can order the PM around. He is not on minimum wage. He is not without resources. He does not have to struggle to look after his child while working 50 hours a week just to pay the rent on a single room. He does not have to beg charity to feed his family. He is in a more privileged position than 99% of the people in the UK.

He could get more assistance with one phone call than is available to 99% of the people in the UK. Yes I am sorry that his autistic child might have been upset if he had been faced with an unfamiliar carer. However there have been thousands of children utterly distrought at losing family members during the past months. There have been hundreds of thousands living with the fear of their single parent possibly catching a deadly disease. There have been millions who have worried if they will ever see their parents, grand parents, great grand parents again.

The disregard for law that he was responsible for writing is one thing; the open disrespect of every single parent or child in the country is unforgivable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"TOAST....... It's only a matter of time. "

He is going nowhere, how can Boris sack him after yesterday’s briefing,? Cummings has made sure that he is bullet proof and bumbling Boris has fallen for it .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If your wife goes into labour and you break the speed limit then you may get a speeding ticket but that does mean what you did was wrong. Likewise this was an exception circumstance and he did what was best for his family."

Of course he did, but you have been brainwashed to believe that, the cult of Boris and Dom is strong

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

If it was all fine and above board then why not mention it when you write an article on the Spectator?

In a piece published by the Spectator on 25 April about how the magazine’s authors were spending lockdown, Cummings was careful not to mention his trip north when he wrote that “at the end of March and for the first two weeks of April I was ill, so we were both shut in together.”

Meanwhile, in a Spectator article published on 24 April, Cumming’s wife Mary Wakefield wrote about her experiences suffering from coronavirus, where she dreamed of being looked after by Cummings but within 24 hours of her symptoms starting “he said ‘I feel weird’ and collapsed”. She went on to explain that for the next 10 days “Dom couldn’t get out of bed. Day in, day out for ten days he lay doggo with a high fever and spasms that made the muscles lump and twitch in his legs.”

At some point within those 10 days, Cummings drove over 250 miles to his parent’s property near Durham in direct contravention of the UK-wide lockdown regulations that had come into force a week earlier. Wakefield never mentions this trip.

Later in the article, Wakefield talks of “[emerging]from quarantine into the almost comical uncertainty of London lockdown”, carefully avoiding any mention that this emergence involved driving half the length of the country and that their previous experience of lockdown was from a picturesque country farmhouse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good for him. Doing what’s right for his family.

poor little cob idiots just want a news story. "

Is everything ok with you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If Mr c goes then Boris won't be far behind ...he would be lost ....nothing from the chancellor or rab....maybe they getting ready for shit coming....or leadership"

You have changed your tune, it wasn’t long ago that you thought Boris was the man, glad to see you have seen the light

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If Cummings goes, then Stephen kinnock has to go too,if we are playing this game.... "

Game? Is the Kinnock incident exactly the same? What excuse did he use to prevent him from getting sacked

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By *uninlondon69Man
over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

1 Kinnock wasn't infected, so wasn't self isolating

2 Kinnock didn't write the policy breached

3 Kinnock isn't an advisor to his leader

4 Kinnock didn't hide it, he put it on Instagram

5 Kinnock didn't do it twice (3 times?)

6 Kinnock's friends didn't say it was OK for him to break the law, just not everyone else

7 When Kinnock did it, two senior govt advisors in the UK hadn't already had to resign for the same offence

8 Kinnock's wife didn't write an article in then magazine she edits, inferring they were in London, and further deceiving the public

9 Kinnock wasn't required to inform the Number 10 of his whereabouts, so either lied to them or there's a bigger cover-up

10 At the time Kinnock visited his parents, the PM hadn't gone on TV and said "You should not be meeting family members who do not live in your home"

Yes, Kinnock shouldn't have done it but no, the two cases are not the same.

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By *izzabelle and well hungCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

"Good for him. Doing what’s right for his family.

poor little cob idiots just want a news story. so it's right to take himself and his child from a house were his wife is already infected travel the length of the country spend time with two elderly people who are therefore vulnerable. whilst telling everybody else to stay at home not go out dont visit vulnerable people .why travel 260 Miles when his sister in law is 2 miles away ? "
well got that wrong didn’t you.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

He was also worried about feeling threatened at home.

When the rest of the population (who are not exceptional) were actually locked down at home.

The chance of protesters outside his house was fairly low...

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