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"This made me laugh Mr Sunak voted digitally for a change to the Agriculture Bill that would have guaranteed a ban on chlorinated chicken and hormone-fed beef. The amendment was defeated by 277 to 328, a majority of 51. A source close to the chancellor blamed "teething problems" with a new online voting system. "The chancellor did not intentionally vote against the government. He called the chief whip straight away to explain," added the source. Other MP's have also stated they "accidentally" voted the wrong way blaming their grasp on technology isn't what it should be. So our future trade deal with the USA can now "accidentally" go full steam ahead ![]() ![]() ![]() The quote said other MP's also voted incorrectly. So it could of been MP's from all parties.! | |||
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"Brexit voters will now swear blind they voted for lower food standards.." They knew what they voted for ![]() ![]() | |||
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"This made me laugh Mr Sunak voted digitally for a change to the Agriculture Bill that would have guaranteed a ban on chlorinated chicken and hormone-fed beef. The amendment was defeated by 277 to 328, a majority of 51. A source close to the chancellor blamed "teething problems" with a new online voting system. "The chancellor did not intentionally vote against the government. He called the chief whip straight away to explain," added the source. Other MP's have also stated they "accidentally" voted the wrong way blaming their grasp on technology isn't what it should be. So our future trade deal with the USA can now "accidentally" go full steam ahead ![]() ![]() ![]() That is very true yes ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"All you have to do is not eat chicken that’s produced in the USA ![]() Or beef, or dairy products. And how will you know? The country of origin is part of the EU the food safety standards. Part of the "red tape" which is set to be removed to facilitate the sales of US produced food. Food that would be of insufficient standard to sell here while we were in the EU. A brexit benefit for US corporations. ![]() | |||
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"Done that with furlonging Furlonging ![]() Furloughing | |||
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"All you have to do is not eat chicken that’s produced in the USA ![]() ![]() This is pure speculation, you do not know what will happen with US produced food being sold in this country, nothing has been agreed at all, and I am pretty sure that if it was from the states and sold here it would be labelled so. | |||
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"All you have to do is not eat chicken that’s produced in the USA ![]() ![]() If the UK is prepared to strip out the food safety standards in order to sell US food products that are not up to current standards, do you not think they will be prepared to change food labelling laws to? In anycase, I do not see an argument in favour of lowering the UK's food safety standards. I am open to being convinced, if you have something? | |||
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"All you have to do is not eat chicken that’s produced in the USA ![]() ![]() no I don't see a argument for lowering the food standards at all, which is why I said that is speculation on your part that the government would do so, there is no solid reason too, also no where have they said that any standards are being stripped out to sell inferior products in the uk market so therefore there is no need to change labelling laws. As I said this is all speculation, you may end up being right but that is not the case at this moment in time. | |||
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"All you have to do is not eat chicken that’s produced in the USA ![]() ![]() It's not speculation, this is currently being negotiated right now. It's not hitting the front pages, because it's all about Covid-19. But it is happening. I agree with the sentiment that there is no solid reason to remove food safety standards. I voted against this back in 2016. But the large american corporations who put an awful lot of money into the various leave campaigns weren't just doing it for the fun. They did it because they wanted to expand their markets into the UK, where the EU standards have precluded them from selling their sub standard products up until now. | |||
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"All you have to do is not eat chicken that’s produced in the USA ![]() ![]() I agree it is probably what some of these leave backing corporations want but we don't know if it will happen,you obviously think it will but I am not so sure,and yes trade talks have started but nothing has yet been agreed or finalized regarding food imports or standards so at this moment in time it is speculation, do you know for a fact that the USA has even tabelled this in the talks?, I also doubt that chicken and beef are at the top of the trade list for either country, far more profitable and influential things to trade over than this. | |||
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"All you have to do is not eat chicken that’s produced in the USA ![]() ![]() Here is the view from the US on the food safety standards issue. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/what-does-a-us-uk-trade-deal-mean-for-food-standards.html Most of the articles deal with the US buying into the NHS, which is a more serious issue in my view, but not what we're discussing here. | |||
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"All you have to do is not eat chicken that’s produced in the USA ![]() ![]() I have read the article but it only talks about the US wanting to even the playing field with regards to food imports but it also states the UK mandate position in the talks is preserve the current high standards in food, animal and plant safety, so yes this article says the US would like this but also that the UK,s position is not to go down that road. So like I said you may end up being correct but at this moment you are speculating that the UK will agree to this. | |||
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"Cant see how it will be up to the corporates that helped fund the leave campaign at all, they will lobby for there interests I am sure but the final say is not going to be theres, just as I am sure there were a lot of donors to the remain campaign who lobbied for there interests but now will not get some of what they wanted either." Aside from the tax dodgers, the Rees-Mogg types who wanted to make money from currency trading, and the Tim Martin's who want to remove workers rights, trade deals with the US was the main purpose of brexit. I'm not sure what other outcome we can reasonably expect. Those who campaigned to remain either wanted to make money from the UK remaining prosperous in Europe, or they genuinely believed it was the right thing to do. In either case their interests have been flushed down the bog. | |||
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"Cant see how it will be up to the corporates that helped fund the leave campaign at all, they will lobby for there interests I am sure but the final say is not going to be theres, just as I am sure there were a lot of donors to the remain campaign who lobbied for there interests but now will not get some of what they wanted either." Lobbyists have a powerful voice in this country. What groups would have lobbied to stay? | |||
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"Cant see how it will be up to the corporates that helped fund the leave campaign at all, they will lobby for there interests I am sure but the final say is not going to be theres, just as I am sure there were a lot of donors to the remain campaign who lobbied for there interests but now will not get some of what they wanted either. Lobbyists have a powerful voice in this country. What groups would have lobbied to stay?" No idea but I cant believe that the only people lobbying government were all leave based, there must have been some remain groups also, and yes I agree these groups that lobby governments on many things are very powerful and do influence policy decisions, but not all the time, and when its all said and done it's up to the appropriate government dept or whatever to decide on policy. | |||
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"Cant see how it will be up to the corporates that helped fund the leave campaign at all, they will lobby for there interests I am sure but the final say is not going to be theres, just as I am sure there were a lot of donors to the remain campaign who lobbied for there interests but now will not get some of what they wanted either. Aside from the tax dodgers, the Rees-Mogg types who wanted to make money from currency trading, and the Tim Martin's who want to remove workers rights, trade deals with the US was the main purpose of brexit. I'm not sure what other outcome we can reasonably expect. Those who campaigned to remain either wanted to make money from the UK remaining prosperous in Europe, or they genuinely believed it was the right thing to do. In either case their interests have been flushed down the bog." well I cant say that I think that Brexit was to do with just a US trade deal, or Tim Martin and Reese mogg, in my opinion there was a lot of reasons as to why we ended up having a vote and why it went the way it did. I can see how he could make money from it, but then so could anyone else if they did similar. Tim Martin may well want to mess with his workers rights but he cant unless government down grade them and that has not happened yet and nor have they said they intend to do so, time will tell. | |||
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"I might of also helped if remainers had not kept insulting anyone that did not agree with them. It not a great way to try to convince people to vote for their cause" Remoaners you mean? | |||
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"I might of also helped if remainers had not kept insulting anyone that did not agree with them. It not a great way to try to convince people to vote for their cause Remoaners you mean?" no insults help anyones cause. doing it before an election/referendum is not a good idea. Loosing the 'label everyone as idiots' routine and trying to be more positive about the EU would have seen me at least vote the other way | |||
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"Cant see how it will be up to the corporates that helped fund the leave campaign at all, they will lobby for there interests I am sure but the final say is not going to be theres, just as I am sure there were a lot of donors to the remain campaign who lobbied for there interests but now will not get some of what they wanted either. Aside from the tax dodgers, the Rees-Mogg types who wanted to make money from currency trading, and the Tim Martin's who want to remove workers rights, trade deals with the US was the main purpose of brexit. I'm not sure what other outcome we can reasonably expect. Those who campaigned to remain either wanted to make money from the UK remaining prosperous in Europe, or they genuinely believed it was the right thing to do. In either case their interests have been flushed down the bog. well I cant say that I think that Brexit was to do with just a US trade deal, or Tim Martin and Reese mogg, in my opinion there was a lot of reasons as to why we ended up having a vote and why it went the way it did. I can see how he could make money from it, but then so could anyone else if they did similar. Tim Martin may well want to mess with his workers rights but he cant unless government down grade them and that has not happened yet and nor have they said they intend to do so, time will tell." Rees-Mogg and Tim Martin were intended as examples rather than individual cases. The only other reason I can think for brexit was the Russian involvement with the social media meddling. Which I assume was just done to weaken the UK and the EU. You mentioned "there was a lot of reasons we ended up having a vote". In my opinion it was the result of a long, 20 year, campaign of misinformation and anti EU propaganda led by Murdoch owned media. | |||
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"I might of also helped if remainers had not kept insulting anyone that did not agree with them. It not a great way to try to convince people to vote for their cause Remoaners you mean?" Ahh, the witty one ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I might of also helped if remainers had not kept insulting anyone that did not agree with them. It not a great way to try to convince people to vote for their cause Remoaners you mean? no insults help anyones cause. doing it before an election/referendum is not a good idea. Loosing the 'label everyone as idiots' routine and trying to be more positive about the EU would have seen me at least vote the other way" I'll be honest I listened to a lot of phone ins around then and I'm still waiting to her 1 cast iron positive for leaving. When most were asked why did they want to leave they would trot out the usual 'take back control/fed up being told what to do line but when pressed to provide any substance to this.very few could actually do so. That was my experience anyway. | |||
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"I might of also helped if remainers had not kept insulting anyone that did not agree with them. It not a great way to try to convince people to vote for their cause Remoaners you mean? no insults help anyones cause. doing it before an election/referendum is not a good idea. Loosing the 'label everyone as idiots' routine and trying to be more positive about the EU would have seen me at least vote the other way I'll be honest I listened to a lot of phone ins around then and I'm still waiting to her 1 cast iron positive for leaving. When most were asked why did they want to leave they would trot out the usual 'take back control/fed up being told what to do line but when pressed to provide any substance to this.very few could actually do so. That was my experience anyway." You see negative does not work. I was on the fence most of the way through but the lets insult people attitude before asking for their vote counter productive. If remain had concentrated on the positives of the EU there is an excellent chance I would have voted for them. | |||
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"I might of also helped if remainers had not kept insulting anyone that did not agree with them. It not a great way to try to convince people to vote for their cause Remoaners you mean? no insults help anyones cause. doing it before an election/referendum is not a good idea. Loosing the 'label everyone as idiots' routine and trying to be more positive about the EU would have seen me at least vote the other way I'll be honest I listened to a lot of phone ins around then and I'm still waiting to her 1 cast iron positive for leaving. When most were asked why did they want to leave they would trot out the usual 'take back control/fed up being told what to do line but when pressed to provide any substance to this.very few could actually do so. That was my experience anyway. You see negative does not work. I was on the fence most of the way through but the lets insult people attitude before asking for their vote counter productive. If remain had concentrated on the positives of the EU there is an excellent chance I would have voted for them." There was plenty of insults the other way. I think they certainly mismanaged the campaign..I think they assumed most people would vote stay...but never underestimate the british working class ability to vote for something which in all likelihood will make you worse off. | |||
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"The amendment was to stop food standards in the U.K. being lowered to American standards. The government voted against this amendment. If you have no intention of lowering food standards why would you not welcome the amendment? Wake up people we’re being shafted again. We’ve turned our back on our best and biggest trading partners the Europeans. Our government are now desperately scrambling to do deals with anyone at any cost. The reason we trade with Europe is logistics. Exporting a full truck load of products to America is five times more expensive than to a Europe. I don’t care if the tariffs are zero into America the cost of getting our products there is far more costly, so good luck increasing our exports. Trade deals with other countries means tariffs are better. It doesn’t mean we will do any business if the commercial numbers don’t stack up. All we’ve done by putting border controls between us and Europe is add costs to make us less competitive in the European market. I despair at the quality of our politicians in this country on both sides of the chamber. I personally believe an potential MP should have lived in a constituency for at least five years before they are eligible to run for election. How many of your local MP’s have been parachuted in by their party’s head office to secure yet an obedient MP. We need MP’s who care about their own people and vote for what is right, not what they are told. The Labour Party went into self destruct mode with Corbyn and the Tories now have a self interested career politician who has surrounded himself with yes men of such questionable ability I’m actually worried for my country’s future. I’m beginning to think a Guy Fawkes party may be the answer!, Oh and one more rant. Our newspapers are 90% owned by companies and individuals who pay no tax into the UK economy. Yes they pay PAYE when asked about tax but all profits go elsewhere. Remember that next time you read how outraged they are at something in their headlines and comments. We are all being mislead folks. We can no longer read the truth, just a biased viewpoint. Rant over and sorry to go on it must be the lockdown. Stay safe Fabbers. " 100% correct, the thought that we can replace our Free and unfettered deals with our european friends with something from donny inject your self with bleach trump is quiet frankly impossible. | |||
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"It's what the majority wanted though ![]() ![]() I agree Andy it is and I respect that vote. Doesn’t it worry you though that the Information we were given to make a decision was mostly just wishful thinking and no true facts. I criticise both sides here . | |||
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"I might of also helped if remainers had not kept insulting anyone that did not agree with them. It not a great way to try to convince people to vote for their cause Remoaners you mean? no insults help anyones cause. doing it before an election/referendum is not a good idea. Loosing the 'label everyone as idiots' routine and trying to be more positive about the EU would have seen me at least vote the other way I'll be honest I listened to a lot of phone ins around then and I'm still waiting to her 1 cast iron positive for leaving. When most were asked why did they want to leave they would trot out the usual 'take back control/fed up being told what to do line but when pressed to provide any substance to this.very few could actually do so. That was my experience anyway. You see negative does not work. I was on the fence most of the way through but the lets insult people attitude before asking for their vote counter productive. If remain had concentrated on the positives of the EU there is an excellent chance I would have voted for them. There was plenty of insults the other way. I think they certainly mismanaged the campaign..I think they assumed most people would vote stay...but never underestimate the british working class ability to vote for something which in all likelihood will make you worse off. " That's where remain went wrong, rich people including rich MPs telling people with fuckall they was going to be worse off? | |||
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"It's what the majority wanted though ![]() ![]() It is a concern but given both sides were asked to look into the future its not that surprising. Sadly history shows that forecasts are not great. | |||
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"It's what the majority wanted though ![]() ![]() Yes sadly true. I genuinely think our political system needs updating. I had a face to face meeting with a treasury minister to discuss an industry specific issue. Quite frankly he was an idiot . He had no idea what he was talking about and relied on advisors to answer the questions . In the end I just directed my questions at the civil servants . They smiled and were obviously embarrassed by the imbecile . If you read my point about MP’s having to be local before they are allowed to run for office, this is one of the reasons. He just towed the line and got promoted . He was sacked a year later but there would have been no benefit to him being there. Back scratching gone mad to all our costs! Also why is Boris allowed to take £60k a year from JCB for 20 hours a year whilst in parliament. John Bamford also paid David Davis £20k per year through JCB . And who is a major promoter of Brexit ?? Oh yes John Bamford . I know Boris had to stop taking the cash but don’t tell me he knows how to export diggers so is being paid for what?? The whole system is just stinking and corrupt . Parliament is the best club in the world . | |||
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"All you have to do is not eat chicken that’s produced in the USA ![]() ![]() I'm sorry, no, our gov just cucked itself to the US. The US said they will not trade if it's possible for their agricultural and animal products to be distinguished by UK packaging and labeling. Face it. We leave the EU, our gov will cuckold us to the US again. | |||
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"All you have to do is not eat chicken that’s produced in the USA ![]() ![]() As the realisation that "project fear" was just another meaningless slogan. | |||
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"It's what the majority wanted though ![]() ![]() Couldn't agree more though the leave campaign basically promised the world paved with gold if we left ![]() | |||
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"Ya eat lots of the American hormone pumped beef, and in 10 years time every UK teenage boy in Britain will have a pair of boobs and every teenage girl will have a beard, " Where do you get this rubbish from and there will be no law to make you buy it | |||
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