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By *ichiebig OP   Man
over a year ago

nenagh

A recent you gov poll has found that 54% of Britons are not bothered one way or the other if northern Ireland leaves the union, while only 17% said they would be upset if such a thing happens,

What do the UK people on fab think

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

What we think is not important. The people of Northern Ireland will determine their destiny.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What do people on ROI want?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What do people on ROI want?"

*In ROI

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I think Ireland should be United.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"I think Ireland should be United."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to the Belfast Telegraph a recent survey indicates that only 29 % of the population of Northern Ireland would vote for a United Ireland and 52 % would wish to remain as part of the UK. (the remainder being undecided )

Having to pay for a health service is probably not a very attractive proposition to many voters .

It would appear that the concept of a United Ireland has been oversold by many people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Irish Times poll says very different

Some 59 per cent of those surveyed who identified as having no religion said they would vote for Northern Ireland to leave the UK and join the Republic

A total of 45 per cent told the Lord Ashcroft poll they would vote to stay in the UK and 46 per cent said they would choose to leave and join the Republic.

This equates to a lead of 51 per cent to 49 per cent for unification if “don’t knows” and those who say they would not vote are excluded.

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By *ebimimosaTV/TS
over a year ago

Glasgow

There should be 2 votes.

First one in NI, do you want an united Ireland, if yes

Second one in ROI, do you want NI back.

They would not want NI as it would cost them too much

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By *ichiebig OP   Man
over a year ago

nenagh


"According to the Belfast Telegraph a recent survey indicates that only 29 % of the population of Northern Ireland would vote for a United Ireland and 52 % would wish to remain as part of the UK. (the remainder being undecided )

Having to pay for a health service is probably not a very attractive proposition to many voters .

It would appear that the concept of a United Ireland has been oversold by many people.

"

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By *ichiebig OP   Man
over a year ago

nenagh

I started this tread to gauge the reaction of people in the rest of the uk

Would you consider yourself part of the 54% who are not bothered whether NI stays in the union or not, or are you one of the 17% who would be very upset if NI left the union, or are you somewhere in between

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would want the union to remain as it is ( namely England; Scotland , Wales and Northern Ireland )

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"What we think is not important. The people of Northern Ireland will determine their destiny. "

This..

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Self determination.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A recent you gov poll has found that 54% of Britons are not bothered one way or the other if northern Ireland leaves the union, while only 17% said they would be upset if such a thing happens,

What do the UK people on fab think "

The survey however contained a lot more questions that the one which you have quoted . In response to another question in the survey , 37 % of those interviewed said they would prefer for NI to remain in the Uk against 27 % who would support a United Ireland

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By *illi3736Woman
over a year ago

Glasgow

Northern iteland and its population has lots more to be gained economically from remaining within the UK than being part of a united Ireland.

But then after this virus who knows where any country will stand

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Northern iteland and its population has lots more to be gained economically from remaining within the UK than being part of a united Ireland.

But then after this virus who knows where any country will stand "

Agree there. I think it could be great for the NI economy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Northern iteland and its population has lots more to be gained economically from remaining within the UK than being part of a united Ireland.

But then after this virus who knows where any country will stand "

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia


"There should be 2 votes.

First one in NI, do you want an united Ireland, if yes

Second one in ROI, do you want NI back.

They would not want NI as it would cost them too much"

This is very far from a financial decision.. Nationalist sentiment in the ROI is very strong, many people will be prepared to put financial considerations aside in the name of bringing 800 years of history to full circle. In the recent general election SF polled the highest number of first preference votes and are currently the joint largest party

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"According to the Belfast Telegraph a recent survey indicates that only 29 % of the population of Northern Ireland would vote for a United Ireland and 52 % would wish to remain as part of the UK. (the remainder being undecided )

Having to pay for a health service is probably not a very attractive proposition to many voters .

It would appear that the concept of a United Ireland has been oversold by many people.

"

The last remnants of our colonial history.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There should be 2 votes.

First one in NI, do you want an united Ireland, if yes

Second one in ROI, do you want NI back.

They would not want NI as it would cost them too much

This is very far from a financial decision.. Nationalist sentiment in the ROI is very strong, many people will be prepared to put financial considerations aside in the name of bringing 800 years of history to full circle. In the recent general election SF polled the highest number of first preference votes and are currently the joint largest party "

This was not my experience. Most people in the ROI who I know, either have no strong opinion on reunification with NI or actively don't want it.

Support for SF in the Republic is not necessarily linked to a desire for a united Ireland.

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia


"There should be 2 votes.

First one in NI, do you want an united Ireland, if yes

Second one in ROI, do you want NI back.

They would not want NI as it would cost them too much

This is very far from a financial decision.. Nationalist sentiment in the ROI is very strong, many people will be prepared to put financial considerations aside in the name of bringing 800 years of history to full circle. In the recent general election SF polled the highest number of first preference votes and are currently the joint largest party

This was not my experience. Most people in the ROI who I know, either have no strong opinion on reunification with NI or actively don't want it.

Support for SF in the Republic is not necessarily linked to a desire for a united Ireland. "

Well being originally from Dublin and having and having a large family connection there and very strong links to other parts of the Republic, I suspect I may know more Irish people. And yes, a vote for SF is not necessarily a vote for unification, the received a large surge in younger voters where anecdotally, support for reunification is higher. I suspect, that while opinion poles on a hypothetical choice might be somewhat ambivalent, if it came down to a one in a generation pole, hearts would rule heads. It has to be remembered that the war of independence was only 100 years ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All my friends voted SF and not one gives a crap about the north or reunification.

It was about sending a message to our current government where taxes are insane and we cant afford housing. I've discussed this in work often and it's the same reasons for everyone.

The north is the least of their worries but polls may show otherwise. Doubt it though from what I'm hearing.

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia


"There should be 2 votes.

First one in NI, do you want an united Ireland, if yes

Second one in ROI, do you want NI back.

They would not want NI as it would cost them too much

This is very far from a financial decision.. Nationalist sentiment in the ROI is very strong, many people will be prepared to put financial considerations aside in the name of bringing 800 years of history to full circle. In the recent general election SF polled the highest number of first preference votes and are currently the joint largest party

This was not my experience. Most people in the ROI who I know, either have no strong opinion on reunification with NI or actively don't want it.

Support for SF in the Republic is not necessarily linked to a desire for a united Ireland.

Well being originally from Dublin and having and having a large family connection there and very strong links to other parts of the Republic, I suspect I may know more Irish people. And yes, a vote for SF is not necessarily a vote for unification, the received a large surge in younger voters where anecdotally, support for reunification is higher. I suspect, that while opinion poles on a hypothetical choice might be somewhat ambivalent, if it came down to a one in a generation pole, hearts would rule heads. It has to be remembered that the war of independence was only 100 years ago"

I'm not saying it was top of the agenda, but you know as well as I do that we are born and bred on our history, and if it came to a vote, the the Wright of Connolly, Pierce and Wolf Tone on your shoulder, would you be the one who rejects a part in that history?

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By *lixerMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I want there to be no Union at all.

I want a normal Scotland, Ireland and England. I don't know enough about the status of Wales to comment but the other two Nations will be free and normal in my lifetime.

May there be massed ripping of red, white and blue flags when that glorious time comes. And it will come.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I want there to be no Union at all.

I want a normal Scotland, Ireland and England. I don't know enough about the status of Wales to comment but the other two Nations will be free and normal in my lifetime.

May there be massed ripping of red, white and blue flags when that glorious time comes. And it will come. "

Seems like a good idea for each region determine for themselves.

Maybe the Tories shit job of managing the UK is providing impetus to NI, Scotland and Wales to want independence?

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By *illi3736Woman
over a year ago

Glasgow

Oh the sad and desperate desires of the terminally boring nationalists....I dream of the day when........No i dont i live my life and mostly enjoy it..I dont spend my life desiring a flag to wave or waiting for President Salmonds decrees from on high...that all Scottish children only swear an oath to Him and his First Lady

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Oh the sad and desperate desires of the terminally boring nationalists....I dream of the day when........No i dont i live my life and mostly enjoy it..I dont spend my life desiring a flag to wave or waiting for President Salmonds decrees from on high...that all Scottish children only swear an oath to Him and his First Lady"

Slightly ironic considering the rampant nationalism in this country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh the sad and desperate desires of the terminally boring nationalists....I dream of the day when........No i dont i live my life and mostly enjoy it..I dont spend my life desiring a flag to wave or waiting for President Salmonds decrees from on high...that all Scottish children only swear an oath to Him and his First Lady"

Isn't it more about self determination rather than nationalism?

I agree that mindless nationalism is a fucking plague, regardless of whatever flag they're waving.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There should be 2 votes.

First one in NI, do you want an united Ireland, if yes

Second one in ROI, do you want NI back.

They would not want NI as it would cost them too much"

A couple of quick points

1.There would be 2 votes as set out by the terms of GFA

2.Nice to see a Scot presuming to know the minds of the electorate in the Republic as to what way they would vote,when up to now all polls have shown 70% plus support for a UI.

3.”cost them too much” if Brexit has shown us anything,economics doesn’t come into it

4.The really big question,by any economic metric NI is a failed state,being part of the UK union hasn’t worked up to now,

if it’s going to work in the future and the Uk wants it to remain part of the union,the Uk will have to address some very fundamental economic issues relative to NI

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By *illi3736Woman
over a year ago

Glasgow

Scotland has self determination for the most part . Some tasks like defence etc are always better done on a united basis. But taxation, health etc are devolved ....So yes it is Nationalism in the raw they want ...A so called inclusive country is now more divided than ever thanks to this Scottish Govts only success, which is grievence and petty point scoring . Education like most things they touch are continuing to slide down the world standings

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I dont blame Scotland not want to be governed by Westminster..esp post Brexit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There should be 2 votes.

First one in NI, do you want an united Ireland, if yes

Second one in ROI, do you want NI back.

They would not want NI as it would cost them too much

A couple of quick points

1.There would be 2 votes as set out by the terms of GFA

2.Nice to see a Scot presuming to know the minds of the electorate in the Republic as to what way they would vote,when up to now all polls have shown 70% plus support for a UI.

3.”cost them too much” if Brexit has shown us anything,economics doesn’t come into it

4.The really big question,by any economic metric NI is a failed state,being part of the UK union hasn’t worked up to now,

if it’s going to work in the future and the Uk wants it to remain part of the union,the Uk will have to address some very fundamental economic issues relative to NI"
Points three and four do not make much sense.

Brexit is no different to a supplier renegotiating a trade agreement, something which happens regularly in all walks of life . The UK were a net contributor to the EU and as such we should be obtaining value for money..

It is difficult to see how you can describe Northern Ireland as a failed economy. It is home to many successfull businesses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There should be 2 votes.

First one in NI, do you want an united Ireland, if yes

Second one in ROI, do you want NI back.

They would not want NI as it would cost them too much

A couple of quick points

1.There would be 2 votes as set out by the terms of GFA

2.Nice to see a Scot presuming to know the minds of the electorate in the Republic as to what way they would vote,when up to now all polls have shown 70% plus support for a UI.

3.”cost them too much” if Brexit has shown us anything,economics doesn’t come into it

4.The really big question,by any economic metric NI is a failed state,being part of the UK union hasn’t worked up to now,

if it’s going to work in the future and the Uk wants it to remain part of the union,the Uk will have to address some very fundamental economic issues relative to NI Points three and four do not make much sense.

Brexit is no different to a supplier renegotiating a trade agreement, something which happens regularly in all walks of life . The UK were a net contributor to the EU and as such we should be obtaining value for money..

It is difficult to see how you can describe Northern Ireland as a failed economy. It is home to many successfull businesses. "

Let me address point 3 again then,the opening poster is saying that those of us in the Republic would vote with our cheque books against a UI.

Maybe we would

more likely we wouldn’t,

The possibility of Brexit damaging the UK economically didn’t stop it happening though,did it?

By any economic metric,NI has fallen a mile behind the Republic with which it shares an island with and also mainland UK

The fact that you the Uk taxpayer bails it out to the tune of between £5bn and £15bn a year should tell you all you need to know about how successful an entity it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just one economic metric for you

In 1920 the 6 counties of the state of Northern Ireland produced 80% of the total industrial output on the island

Scroll forwards to 2018

Total exports from the RoI

€296bn

Totals exports from NI

€10.5bn

The Republic has 2.5 times the population of NI and yet nearly 30 times the exports.

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By *ore of thatMan
over a year ago

skerries

Republic of Ireland cant afford north of the order .at the moment they cant afford to look after their own .health care is a shambles .ten thousand homeless . Families living in hotel rooms and now coronavirus .we cannot afford it .. how much money does uk pour into it every year .hundreds of millions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm Irish- Our government can't even run our 26 counties properly. After a hundred years of home rule, all our state institutions are riven with corruption and nepotism. In 1920 we got rid of the British, and the Catholic Church seized power. We don't even have a decent health service. If one has private health insurance, you are treated immediately in a posh private hospital. Our public health service has been deliberately underfunded despite the economic prosperity, with lengthy waiting lists for essential treatment.

Our roads are littered with crater sized potholes, despite having to pay a fortune on motor tax (€800 per year on 2 litre car) if it's pre 2008 - not to mention the €7000 to register a new car.

Most of the schools are still run by the Catholic Church and have a very Catholic ethos. An Atheist child was recently awarded €5000 by our high Court, for having to endure discrimination.

So please keep the North- because our government are totally incapable of running our dog shit Republic...

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By *ichiebig OP   Man
over a year ago

nenagh


"I'm Irish- Our government can't even run our 26 counties properly. After a hundred years of home rule, all our state institutions are riven with corruption and nepotism. In 1920 we got rid of the British, and the Catholic Church seized power. We don't even have a decent health service. If one has private health insurance, you are treated immediately in a posh private hospital. Our public health service has been deliberately underfunded despite the economic prosperity, with lengthy waiting lists for essential treatment.

Our roads are littered with crater sized potholes, despite having to pay a fortune on motor tax (€800 per year on 2 litre car) if it's pre 2008 - not to mention the €7000 to register a new car.

Most of the schools are still run by the Catholic Church and have a very Catholic ethos. An Atheist child was recently awarded €5000 by our high Court, for having to endure discrimination.

So please keep the North- because our government are totally incapable of running our dog shit Republic... "

Do you live in Ireland 2020,or or are you still stuck in 1950,

But wait i see you are from cork,now there is a dog shit part of Ireland,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm Irish- Our government can't even run our 26 counties properly. After a hundred years of home rule, all our state institutions are riven with corruption and nepotism. In 1920 we got rid of the British, and the Catholic Church seized power. We don't even have a decent health service. If one has private health insurance, you are treated immediately in a posh private hospital. Our public health service has been deliberately underfunded despite the economic prosperity, with lengthy waiting lists for essential treatment.

Our roads are littered with crater sized potholes, despite having to pay a fortune on motor tax (€800 per year on 2 litre car) if it's pre 2008 - not to mention the €7000 to register a new car.

Most of the schools are still run by the Catholic Church and have a very Catholic ethos. An Atheist child was recently awarded €5000 by our high Court, for having to endure discrimination.

So please keep the North- because our government are totally incapable of running our dog shit Republic... "

Jaysus

A lot of what’s said above could be leveled at ireland of the 1950’s but we’ve moved on from that regardless of whether there’s a UI or not

It’s €190 to tax a 2 liter car that’s less than 12 years old

Don’t know where your getting the figure of €7k to register a new car

If your finding things that awful have you tried making a home anywhere else in the world?

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

In answer to your original question I really wouldn't be bothered either way, it's up to them

I felt the same about the Scottish referendum. In fact I'd rather they just got on with it if means I don't have to listen their belly aching about how terrible the English were 300 years ago

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By *ore of thatMan
over a year ago

skerries

Like every thing else .nobody has to listen to any thing they dont want to .

Ps Ireland is not the only nation that goes on about how the British treated them .that's a world wide thing

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia


"In answer to your original question I really wouldn't be bothered either way, it's up to them

I felt the same about the Scottish referendum. In fact I'd rather they just got on with it if means I don't have to listen their belly aching about how terrible the English were 300 years ago"

It wasn't 300 years ago, if you're goung to comment on another country's history then learn a little bit about it

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"In answer to your original question I really wouldn't be bothered either way, it's up to them

I felt the same about the Scottish referendum. In fact I'd rather they just got on with it if means I don't have to listen their belly aching about how terrible the English were 300 years ago

It wasn't 300 years ago, if you're goung to comment on another country's history then learn a little bit about it"

My point still stands. Nobody's making NI or Scotland stay in the union. Leave or don't, it makes absolutely no odds to me or anyone I know for that matter

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By *rmrspumpCouple
over a year ago

narnia


"In answer to your original question I really wouldn't be bothered either way, it's up to them

I felt the same about the Scottish referendum. In fact I'd rather they just got on with it if means I don't have to listen their belly aching about how terrible the English were 300 years ago

It wasn't 300 years ago, if you're goung to comment on another country's history then learn a little bit about it

My point still stands. Nobody's making NI or Scotland stay in the union. Leave or don't, it makes absolutely no odds to me or anyone I know for that matter "

Then why exactly are you commenting or even reading this thread?

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By *ore of thatMan
over a year ago

skerries

If you want to make a genuine comment on here .it probably should be on the thread about how britian is doing with the pandemic . Or should I say not doing .as usual they are making a balls of things

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"In answer to your original question I really wouldn't be bothered either way, it's up to them

I felt the same about the Scottish referendum. In fact I'd rather they just got on with it if means I don't have to listen their belly aching about how terrible the English were 300 years ago

It wasn't 300 years ago, if you're goung to comment on another country's history then learn a little bit about it

My point still stands. Nobody's making NI or Scotland stay in the union. Leave or don't, it makes absolutely no odds to me or anyone I know for that matter

Then why exactly are you commenting or even reading this thread? "

Because it's a public forum and the OP asked what other people in UK thought

I agree with what the survey seems to imply - that most people couldn't care less

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"If you want to make a genuine comment on here .it probably should be on the thread about how britian is doing with the pandemic . Or should I say not doing .as usual they are making a balls of things"

You do realise that Ireland is part of Great Britain - it's just not a part of the United Kingdom

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you want to make a genuine comment on here .it probably should be on the thread about how britian is doing with the pandemic . Or should I say not doing .as usual they are making a balls of things

You do realise that Ireland is part of Great Britain - it's just not a part of the United Kingdom "

Good Christ

Not only do you need a history lesson but you also need a geography one

Ireland isn’t part of Great Britain

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By *ore of thatMan
over a year ago

skerries

Are you serious Ireland is not a part of Britain . We fucked you out over 100yrs ago

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By *ore of thatMan
over a year ago

skerries

Great Britain that's a laugh .. great no more .the British empire is long gone .thank god

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

Should've said the British Isles

Either way my point still stands- the result of the survey reflects what most people I know think ie we just don't care either way

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"Great Britain that's a laugh .. great no more .the British empire is long gone .thank god"

I tend to agree with you but let's not think the English were the only empire builders

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"In answer to your original question I really wouldn't be bothered either way, it's up to them

I felt the same about the Scottish referendum. In fact I'd rather they just got on with it if means I don't have to listen their belly aching about how terrible the English were 300 years ago"

Why post on here then?

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"In answer to your original question I really wouldn't be bothered either way, it's up to them

I felt the same about the Scottish referendum. In fact I'd rather they just got on with it if means I don't have to listen their belly aching about how terrible the English were 300 years ago

Why post on here then?"

I've addressed that above silly billy

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By *ornyone30Man
over a year ago

ABERDEEN

Time for ALL 4 countries to have a vote on independence. Im sure there are plenty people in england who want out of the union.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"Time for ALL 4 countries to have a vote on independence. Im sure there are plenty people in england who want out of the union. "

Exactly. Let's be done with it already if that's what people want

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

More than happy to end this one sided union.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like most sensible people I think its up to the people of Ireland to decide which way they want to go - personally I would favour a united Ireland but only because geographically it makes sense (and I would rather people moved on from the king billy sentiments) but theres a lot of eejits wrapping themselves in flags all over the world so I dont expect we will see a change any time soon

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By *illi3736Woman
over a year ago

Glasgow

Isnt a one sided union at all.....Being honest, united we have some standing divided we are an inconsequence on the world stage.

It seem all the bleaters want a special dividend.......But as i am afraid we have found out here in Scotland all we have got is a decline in every sphere of this devolved Govt.

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