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"In this together, really? Https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/19/michael-gove-fails-to-deny-pm-missed-five-coronavirus-cobra-meetings" Which is entirely COBR (A) protocol. No story here so thread over. | |||
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"In this together, really? Https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/19/michael-gove-fails-to-deny-pm-missed-five-coronavirus-cobra-meetings Which is entirely COBR (A) protocol. No story here so thread over. " But if Hancock doesn't attend them, then stamp ya feet and scream at why  | |||
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"What we should be surprised about is not the fact that Boris did not attend these meetings ( Gove admitted its true) - it’s the fact that it’s been leaked. Cummings ran a tight ship and it looks like he is not able to exert the same power anymore. I expect more revelations to follow. The question I would ask Boris would be, for a guy who looks up to Churchill- do you think Churchill would miss those meetings- you can bet your house he would not. Churchill was a born leader, Boris pretends to be one." Political shenanigans behind the scenes most likely | |||
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"This was known weeks ago it is a rehash of old news still keeps ignorant Boris bashers happy. The man has had the virus for a while.We need Boris back at the helm then we can move forward,he is the only one on both sides of the house capable of leading this country. Sadly Maggie is not around and we have nobody hard enough to do this job but Boris is the best we have" He didn't have the virus in late Feb/early March, when decisions were made that undoubtedly cost lives. Look at the UK response compared to the German response and look at the number of deaths | |||
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"Though not a Tory voter, I personally would much prefer Gove over Boris as a leader in a crisis." Michael Gove destroyer of education? I’d rather have the man down the road do it before him  | |||
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"I thought the Prime Minister wasn’t expected to attend these COBRA meetings? After all it is a team of people isn’t it, not just the PM making decisions. " Dont come in here throwing your common sense around  | |||
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"I thought the Prime Minister wasn’t expected to attend these COBRA meetings? After all it is a team of people isn’t it, not just the PM making decisions. " He is expected to attend..especially in times of national emergency They arent going to make huge decisions ie lockdown with his say so. | |||
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" He is expected to attend..especially in times of national emergency They arent going to make huge decisions ie lockdown with his say so." Theresa May has chaired a meeting of the Government's emergency committee COBRA in response to the terror attack in London. :: What is COBRA? COBRA - which stands for Cabinet Office Briefing Room A - is the mechanism used for ministers and officials from across Whitehall to meet in response to major events and emergencies. :: Who attends the meetings? It varies depending on the situation. In response to a terrorist incident such as in London, the intelligence and security agencies will usually attend to provide updates on the latest information they have, while senior police officers will also be present. :: Apart from police and spymasters, which politicians attend? Senior ministers from relevant departments attend the meetings in Whitehall along with top officials. :: Does the Prime Minister always chair COBRA meetings? No, other members of the Cabinet or senior ministers can lead the meetings when appropriate. But the decision by Mrs May to chair this meeting is an indication of the severity of the incident and a sign that she wants to personally lead the Government's response. ________________________ Who attends Cobra meetings? Unlike a Cabinet meeting - where frontbenchers meet the prime minister - there is no rigid register for who should attend a Cobra meeting and not even Boris Johnson has to attend. The composition of any Cobra meeting depends on the issue that is to be discussed. According to the Institute for Government, it's usually made up of officials and agency personnel, alongside ministers, from relevant departments and agencies. For example, as the government discusses its response to the coronavirus outbreak, England's Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty attends. On the other hand, following a terror attack Mr Whitty would not attend, but perhaps the UK's top police officer, Met Commissioner Cressida Dick, would. The meetings are usually chaired by the most senior and most relevant minister in the room, plus the prime minister. So it's likely that Prime Minister Johnson and Health Secretary Matt Hancock are chairing coronavirus Cobra meetings. So. Overall he doesn't 'have' to attend. | |||
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"This was known weeks ago it is a rehash of old news still keeps ignorant Boris bashers happy. The man has had the virus for a while.We need Boris back at the helm then we can move forward,he is the only one on both sides of the house capable of leading this country. Sadly Maggie is not around and we have nobody hard enough to do this job but Boris is the best we have He didn't have the virus in late Feb/early March, when decisions were made that undoubtedly cost lives. Look at the UK response compared to the German response and look at the number of deaths " this  | |||
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" He is expected to attend..especially in times of national emergency They arent going to make huge decisions ie lockdown with his say so. Theresa May has chaired a meeting of the Government's emergency committee COBRA in response to the terror attack in London. :: What is COBRA? COBRA - which stands for Cabinet Office Briefing Room A - is the mechanism used for ministers and officials from across Whitehall to meet in response to major events and emergencies. :: Who attends the meetings? It varies depending on the situation. In response to a terrorist incident such as in London, the intelligence and security agencies will usually attend to provide updates on the latest information they have, while senior police officers will also be present. :: Apart from police and spymasters, which politicians attend? Senior ministers from relevant departments attend the meetings in Whitehall along with top officials. :: Does the Prime Minister always chair COBRA meetings? No, other members of the Cabinet or senior ministers can lead the meetings when appropriate. But the decision by Mrs May to chair this meeting is an indication of the severity of the incident and a sign that she wants to personally lead the Government's response. ________________________ Who attends Cobra meetings? Unlike a Cabinet meeting - where frontbenchers meet the prime minister - there is no rigid register for who should attend a Cobra meeting and not even Boris Johnson has to attend. The composition of any Cobra meeting depends on the issue that is to be discussed. According to the Institute for Government, it's usually made up of officials and agency personnel, alongside ministers, from relevant departments and agencies. For example, as the government discusses its response to the coronavirus outbreak, England's Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty attends. On the other hand, following a terror attack Mr Whitty would not attend, but perhaps the UK's top police officer, Met Commissioner Cressida Dick, would. The meetings are usually chaired by the most senior and most relevant minister in the room, plus the prime minister. So it's likely that Prime Minister Johnson and Health Secretary Matt Hancock are chairing coronavirus Cobra meetings. So. Overall he doesn't 'have' to attend." He had been informed there was a grave threat that we could be heading towards a pandemic which could have massive consequences.These meetings convened to deal with such issue. He didnt just 1.He missed 5. Consequently decisions regarding ppe and lockdowns were taking later. He should have been there but he clearly had more pressing issues. | |||
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" He should have been there but he clearly had more pressing issues." And you don't know what those issues were. | |||
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" He should have been there but he clearly had more pressing issues. And you don't know what those issues were." One was a Chinese delegation He also took a 2 week holiday It's in the article | |||
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" He should have been there but he clearly had more pressing issues. And you don't know what those issues were. One was a Chinese delegation He also took a 2 week holiday It's in the article " And you think for a moment that the Prime Minister (any Prime Minister in the history of our Nation) has been left out of the loop with regard to an ongoing crisis. That would really be a niave way of understanding the wheels of Government. | |||
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" He should have been there but he clearly had more pressing issues. And you don't know what those issues were. One was a Chinese delegation He also took a 2 week holiday It's in the article And you think for a moment that the Prime Minister (any Prime Minister in the history of our Nation) has been left out of the loop with regard to an ongoing crisis. That would really be a niave way of understanding the wheels of Government." So he was told about it but chose to do nothing? | |||
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"He wasn't bothered about it from January when it was announced following the issues in China. If he'd have been an effective leader he would have been planning, as well as ordering NHS and other supplies, which has only happened in the last few weeks. Inept, clueless and lacking in appropriate care and concerns for everyone here. He's just been reactive and shown his deficit of moral fibre and intelligence. People voted for his party, so that's what we get. " Look on the bright side, if Jeremy Corbyn had got in to power and contracted COVID-19 like Boris did, then we would have DIANNE ABBOT running the country!
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" So he was told about it but chose to do nothing?" As did France and Italy and Spain and USA and and and . . . | |||
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" He should have been there but he clearly had more pressing issues. And you don't know what those issues were. One was a Chinese delegation He also took a 2 week holiday It's in the article " No No & No
You only know what the press are telling you! A lot goes on in Government that you and I shall never know about!
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"it's a complete mystery to me how the highest office in the land can land in the lap of s complete chancer. We kinda got what we deserved. " Tells you a lot about the competition huh?  | |||
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"If you have trusted advisors why would he need to go as it was only the beginning and no one understood what was coming. " Read the article.Everything is in there. | |||
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"If you have trusted advisors why would he need to go as it was only the beginning and no one understood what was coming. Read the article.Everything is in there." I believe very little of what I read lol. | |||
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"In this together, really? Https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/19/michael-gove-fails-to-deny-pm-missed-five-coronavirus-cobra-meetings" More important things to do. Celebrating victory. Negotiating Brexit by not negotiating. Picking fights with the civil service. Defending his Home Secretary against bullying allegations. If he thought that it was important (or would receive media attention), he would have attended. He did not. He went on holiday too. He took the matter so casually that he was shaking hands with patients and contracted the disease himself. His continued absence has made him more popular which is a curious side effect. It is pertinent that our response has been poor because we will have more dead people and suffer more economically. | |||
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"'My dominant feeling about Boris Johnson now is boredom. Deep, bone-tired, boredom. He's an overrated, shallow, blustering hack, and always will be. A media creation, utterly lacking in substance. A cheap con-trick pulled on the country. A man for our times' Saw this on twitter and sums the man up completely. Undoubtedly somebody will come back at me saying he is marvelous. You can point out his failings as foreign secretary (poor Radcliffe woman). His utter incompetence in spending millions on a bridge with not a stone laid. Point out he was sacked for lying when he was a journalist. Punting lies about the EU, again when he was a journalist. Racism....on it goes. But, he just has to ruffle his hair, say something mildly amusing and people think he is great. Great Britain, we are told. Undoubtedly some absolutely great people but it's a complete mystery to me how the highest office in the land can land in the lap of s complete chancer. We kinda got what we deserved. " He has created an omega of himself as a loveable bafoon and people have bought it. Reece mogg has done the same as an eccentric aristocrat. Both couldnt be further from the truth. | |||
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"If you have trusted advisors why would he need to go as it was only the beginning and no one understood what was coming. Read the article.Everything is in there. I believe very little of what I read lol. " So what do you believe then? | |||
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"it's a complete mystery to me how the highest office in the land can land in the lap of s complete chancer. We kinda got what we deserved. Tells you a lot about the competition huh? "Yep, and voters | |||
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"Ok so let’s twist this a little... everyone is moaning that he (the government) did nothing; they moan we went into lockdown and it’s bad for the economy because we did so; they moan we didn’t go into lockdown early enough; I could go on and on We weren’t privy to the information that was being shared with them or around the table as things were discussed, so how can you rightly point the finger based on a journalist news story. The PM has a cabinet and advisors for a reason, as he cannot sit in every f’ing meeting and it’s his advisors job to relay the situation It’s one of those things damned if you do (as people would have complained about being in lockdown in February and no time stock the nhs with PPE) and damned if you don’t. Like most things in life unfortunately, it’s always simpler to point the blame after the event, oh we should have done this or that. Just concentrate on doing as your told, staying safe and hold your inquisition until after it’s all finished " I think you missed the point where scientific advice was given. And then ignored. Over 1000 people a day are dying. I think it's reasonable to ask questions of the government. | |||
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"Ok so let’s twist this a little... everyone is moaning that he (the government) did nothing; they moan we went into lockdown and it’s bad for the economy because we did so; they moan we didn’t go into lockdown early enough; I could go on and on We weren’t privy to the information that was being shared with them or around the table as things were discussed, so how can you rightly point the finger based on a journalist news story. The PM has a cabinet and advisors for a reason, as he cannot sit in every f’ing meeting and it’s his advisors job to relay the situation It’s one of those things damned if you do (as people would have complained about being in lockdown in February and no time stock the nhs with PPE) and damned if you don’t. Like most things in life unfortunately, it’s always simpler to point the blame after the event, oh we should have done this or that. Just concentrate on doing as your told, staying safe and hold your inquisition until after it’s all finished I think you missed the point where scientific advice was given. And then ignored. Over 1000 people a day are dying. I think it's reasonable to ask questions of the government." No I didn’t miss the point as scientific facts weren’t mentioned in that article quoted in the OP. However, again we will not be privy to what scientific facts were presented at each meeting. I won’t bother commenting on your last paragraph | |||
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"Ok so let’s twist this a little... everyone is moaning that he (the government) did nothing; they moan we went into lockdown and it’s bad for the economy because we did so; they moan we didn’t go into lockdown early enough; I could go on and on We weren’t privy to the information that was being shared with them or around the table as things were discussed, so how can you rightly point the finger based on a journalist news story. The PM has a cabinet and advisors for a reason, as he cannot sit in every f’ing meeting and it’s his advisors job to relay the situation It’s one of those things damned if you do (as people would have complained about being in lockdown in February and no time stock the nhs with PPE) and damned if you don’t. Like most things in life unfortunately, it’s always simpler to point the blame after the event, oh we should have done this or that. Just concentrate on doing as your told, staying safe and hold your inquisition until after it’s all finished I think you missed the point where scientific advice was given. And then ignored. Over 1000 people a day are dying. I think it's reasonable to ask questions of the government. No I didn’t miss the point as scientific facts weren’t mentioned in that article quoted in the OP. However, again we will not be privy to what scientific facts were presented at each meeting. I won’t bother commenting on your last paragraph " The WHO gave scientific advice freely. Other countries listened and reacted more quickly. The suggestion is, that this would have saved a lot of lives and lessened the burden on the NHS. I think it's reasonable to ask questions about this. | |||
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"Ok so let’s twist this a little... everyone is moaning that he (the government) did nothing; they moan we went into lockdown and it’s bad for the economy because we did so; they moan we didn’t go into lockdown early enough; I could go on and on We weren’t privy to the information that was being shared with them or around the table as things were discussed, so how can you rightly point the finger based on a journalist news story. The PM has a cabinet and advisors for a reason, as he cannot sit in every f’ing meeting and it’s his advisors job to relay the situation It’s one of those things damned if you do (as people would have complained about being in lockdown in February and no time stock the nhs with PPE) and damned if you don’t. Like most things in life unfortunately, it’s always simpler to point the blame after the event, oh we should have done this or that. Just concentrate on doing as your told, staying safe and hold your inquisition until after it’s all finished " By then, there will be a lot of people dead. I hope that none of them are our friends or family. This government did not take this seriously and that is becoming clearer everyday. | |||
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"Ok so let’s twist this a little... everyone is moaning that he (the government) did nothing; they moan we went into lockdown and it’s bad for the economy because we did so; they moan we didn’t go into lockdown early enough; I could go on and on We weren’t privy to the information that was being shared with them or around the table as things were discussed, so how can you rightly point the finger based on a journalist news story. The PM has a cabinet and advisors for a reason, as he cannot sit in every f’ing meeting and it’s his advisors job to relay the situation It’s one of those things damned if you do (as people would have complained about being in lockdown in February and no time stock the nhs with PPE) and damned if you don’t. Like most things in life unfortunately, it’s always simpler to point the blame after the event, oh we should have done this or that. Just concentrate on doing as your told, staying safe and hold your inquisition until after it’s all finished " COBRA meetings don't happen on a regular basis. They occur at critical points. The Prime Minister doesn't need to chair every one. However, it is an indication of how important it was considered by him that he did not attend. What was more important for him to attend to other than a global viral outbreak heading out way? Other than his holiday of course. It is indicative of how well briefed he was or how seriously he took this information that he was shaking hands in hospital. This is just a discussion about how seriously it was taken. Not that seriously until some Europeans started dying which meant that it was serious and it was nearby. | |||
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"I could repeat myself and I will.... we do not know what advice was given to them, how it was presented to them and at what time. Unless you were in that room and had eyes on the papers or listened to what was being said WE cannot say what is right or wrong about the governments actions The personal comments aren’t worth discussing " We can say what is right or wrong with the government's actions when we can see; The WHO recommendations and the results in the countries that followed them. Especially when those results were available long before it became a crisis here. When the government says that there is no shortage of PPE and there are no staff going without when there is clear evidence to the contrary. | |||
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"I could repeat myself and I will.... we do not know what advice was given to them, how it was presented to them and at what time. Unless you were in that room and had eyes on the papers or listened to what was being said WE cannot say what is right or wrong about the governments actions The personal comments aren’t worth discussing We can say what is right or wrong with the government's actions when we can see; The WHO recommendations and the results in the countries that followed them. Especially when those results were available long before it became a crisis here. When the government says that there is no shortage of PPE and there are no staff going without when there is clear evidence to the contrary." The WHO initially said it couldn’t be transmitted from one human to another then didn’t declare a worldwide pandemic until 11th March. As for PPE, I’ve yet to see a first hand report of a hospital being without. The only ‘clear evidence’ I’ve seen have been discredited as stooges who have a documented history of anti government agendas. | |||
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"I could repeat myself and I will.... we do not know what advice was given to them, how it was presented to them and at what time. Unless you were in that room and had eyes on the papers or listened to what was being said WE cannot say what is right or wrong about the governments actions The personal comments aren’t worth discussing We can say what is right or wrong with the government's actions when we can see; The WHO recommendations and the results in the countries that followed them. Especially when those results were available long before it became a crisis here. When the government says that there is no shortage of PPE and there are no staff going without when there is clear evidence to the contrary. The WHO initially said it couldn’t be transmitted from one human to another then didn’t declare a worldwide pandemic until 11th March. As for PPE, I’ve yet to see a first hand report of a hospital being without. The only ‘clear evidence’ I’ve seen have been discredited as stooges who have a documented history of anti government agendas. " No, the WHO said that the Chinese government said that there was no human to human transmission. They did not confirm this had happened until 20 January. The WHO can only officially use the information that they have provided to them. They cannot make stuff up. Of course there are things like telephones and even email (although out government is apparently not very good with the latter). Declaring a worldwide pandemic is just stating a fact that has already happened. Like saying it is now raining. It's simply a statement of fact. The advice for what to do for preventing and then coping with a worldwide pandemic, which is more pertinent, was published in 2009. The countries which followed these guidelines have had the lowest infection and mortality rate. First Cobra meeting January 24. First time Boris Johnson attended March 5. The UK stopped tracking and tracing on March 12. If you think that there is no problem with the availability of protective equipment and it is all down to "stooges" then I'm in not going to dissuade you here. | |||
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