FabSwingers.com forum: Wil boris change his mind sbout the nhs?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I think that he will do that, even he could change his opinion after a such life changing event and with all the good care he got too. I think they will invest more in the nhs as well

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

I think you're spot on there.

Even if Boris hadn't got a very personal involvement, I suspect any government not supporting the NHS properly would face an enormous public backlash.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"I think you're spot on there.

Even if Boris hadn't got a very personal involvement, I suspect any government not supporting the NHS properly would face an enormous public backlash."

“Well, I think that you have to see Boris as a career map. He works it out, he decides which way the wind is blowing, and that wonderful phrase about a politician - a man who waits to see the way the crowd is running and then dashes in front and says, ‘Follow me’.”

Michael Heseltine

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

Michael Heseltine"

I think that's pretty much true of most, if not all, politicians.

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By *arksxMan
over a year ago

Leicester / London

"I think you're spot on there.

Even if Boris hadn't got a very personal involvement, I suspect any government not supporting the NHS properly would face an enormous public backlash.

Michael Heseltine"

I've never heard that quote before but it is spot on.

I think the public might be shocked how little money there is for public spending after the virus has passed.

But he might just put the NHS back to where it was before the Conservative collation came into power.

A few less hospital managers and administrators and some more actual Dr's, nurses (even foreign ones) and hospital beds would be a good place to start....whishful thinking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Honestly. He and the Tories get voted in no matter how badly they treat the NHS and NHS workers. I can't see any reason for this to change now.

So without motivation to do anything, why would the change?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When will you all realise.

NEVER TRUST A TORY.

Unless it is too, con the public, line their pockets, condemn the vulnerable, feed the fat cats. These things they can be trusted on.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I don't think he's going to change his mind that much, as he's largely driven by personal ambition and secondarily ideology.

He's experienced at saying things when his actions can shout something different. Their party has driven a long way in 1 direction, for many years, so it's also likely going against the grain for them to change course - they will have inbuilt resistance that will be hard to fight, when on their autopilot.

The brexit moves could mean it's tougher to sustain adequate levels of experienced personnel in health, so they are unlikely to adjust anything with their response to this.

Without getting too much drawn on politics, as this is the virus section, there's a lot of work that the UK health sector is going to need to be doing for the foreseeable future. Treatments and trials will be resource heavy. There'll be a prevention strategy too, not just being responsive.

The care sector is somewhat artificially divided from health and is also hit heavily. This is the right time to implement changes to social care systems, though government s for decades haven't done this too well or have shied away from doing it. It would be a great success to better integrate them as well as more effective funding.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I've never heard that quote before but it is spot on.

I think the public might be shocked how little money there is for public spending after the virus has passed.

But he might just put the NHS back to where it was before the Conservative collation came into power.

A few less hospital managers and administrators and some more actual Dr's, nurses (even foreign ones) and hospital beds would be a good place to start....whishful thinking

I think that you will find that the NHS was buggered before the Conservatives came in to power and has remained buggered ever since.

The NHS has been neglected for decades by different Governments.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

Will he fuck. The new austerity will begin but instead of Gordon brown getting the blame, the pandemic will and the Tories will continue to behave how they always behave.

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By *illy999TV/TS
over a year ago

Taunton

"When will you all realise.

NEVER TRUST A TORY.

Unless it is too, con the public, line their pockets, condemn the vulnerable, feed the fat cats. These things they can be trusted on."

Glad somebody has them sussed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When will you all realise.

NEVER TRUST A TORY.

Unless it is too, con the public, line their pockets, condemn the vulnerable, feed the fat cats. These things they can be trusted on.

Glad somebody has them sussed."

No.idea how the manage to keep power. Must be a lot of Masochists down south.

And they conned us into Brexit.. i say Us but ya know..

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By *moothman2000Man
over a year ago

Leicestershire

I think that you will find that the NHS was buggered before the Conservatives came in to power and has remained buggered ever since.

The NHS has been neglected for decades by different Governments."

If it had just been neglected but left alone then it would have fared better.

The constant tinkering with it by all sides has left it in disarray.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tories stay in power because of Murdoch..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tories stay in power because of Murdoch.."

And hence have no motivation to do anything productive or anything to help the NHS.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think you're spot on there.

Even if Boris hadn't got a very personal involvement, I suspect any government not supporting the NHS properly would face an enormous public backlash."
That is right it would be and especially in this time where it needs all its support as well

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I also think that the nhs staff and key workers should get more pay cos of the danger they put themselves in being at the front line

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I also think that the nhs staff and key workers should get more pay cos of the danger they put themselves in being at the front line

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And the key workers*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I also think that the nhs staff and key workers should get more pay cos of the danger they put themselves in being at the front line

And the key workers*"

I think there should be an NHS day every year with concessions on everything for all NHS staff

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By *atonMan
over a year ago

barnet

See the list of mps who voted not to give nurses a pay rise ..while voting themselves inflation busting rises .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"See the list of mps who voted not to give nurses a pay rise ..while voting themselves inflation busting rises ."

Exactly. And they got voted in with a majority. They know they can do whatever they want, they have the backing of the majority of the media.

No one gives a fuck when it comes to election day. They know this, so have no motivation to do anything to help the NHS.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Boris has allways been in favour of the NHS but a lot of ignorant morons do not listen and decide what they want Boris to think just to attack him,a load of sad arseholes.

However recent events will probably make him more a fan of the NHS.He did lie probably give the NHS more than the£350 lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"See the list of mps who voted not to give nurses a pay rise ..while voting themselves inflation busting rises .

Exactly. And they got voted in with a majority. They know they can do whatever they want, they have the backing of the majority of the media.

No one gives a fuck when it comes to election day. They know this, so have no motivation to do anything to help the NHS."
It is hardly a like for like comparison. Funding a pay rise for a small number of MPs is hardly a challenge . Awarding pay rises to NHS staff with a payroll in excess of half a million staff is a much more difficult issue to Did fund. Under the Conservative government NHS funding has increased on a year on year basis and even greater funding was awarded in the last budget .

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By *atonMan
over a year ago

barnet

"See the list of mps who voted not to give nurses a pay rise ..while voting themselves inflation busting rises .

Exactly. And they got voted in with a majority. They know they can do whatever they want, they have the backing of the majority of the media.

No one gives a fuck when it comes to election day. They know this, so have no motivation to do anything to help the NHS. It is hardly a like for like comparison. Funding a pay rise for a small number of MPs is hardly a challenge . Awarding pay rises to NHS staff with a payroll in excess of half a million staff is a much more difficult issue to Did fund. Under the Conservative government NHS funding has increased on a year on year basis and even greater funding was awarded in the last budget . "
Great that's ok then

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

The NHS has been neglected for decades by different Governments.

If it had just been neglected but left alone then it would have fared better.

The constant tinkering with it by all sides has left it in disarray."

This.

Then austerity hit the NHS like a truck. Part of the reason why we have to "protect the NHS" is because it started this pandemic with financial handicap that was a decade long.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"See the list of mps who voted not to give nurses a pay rise ..while voting themselves inflation busting rises .

Exactly. And they got voted in with a majority. They know they can do whatever they want, they have the backing of the majority of the media.

Can you provide some evidence for this?

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"See the list of mps who voted not to give nurses a pay rise ..while voting themselves inflation busting rises ."

I think it is about time that the public, voted on whether or not the MP'sget a pay rise or not. You might find things actually happening if this took place.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"See the list of mps who voted not to give nurses a pay rise ..while voting themselves inflation busting rises ."

This didn't actually happen.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"See the list of mps who voted not to give nurses a pay rise ..while voting themselves inflation busting rises ."

Wrong on both counts.

Full fact is your friend here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"See the list of mps who voted not to give nurses a pay rise ..while voting themselves inflation busting rises .

I think it is about time that the public, voted on whether or not the MP'sget a pay rise or not. You might find things actually happening if this took place."

This is a terrible idea. Look what happened last time there was a referendum on if we should hand more power, wealth and rights from ordinary people to the already rich and powerful.

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By *empsey and hotpieceMan
over a year ago

North west

"I think that he will do that, even he could change his opinion after a such life changing event and with all the good care he got too. I think they will invest more in the nhs as well

Only time will tell, but I think things will definitely change.

There’s a lot of leftie armchair theorists blowing their hotair at the moment, but what they fail to realise is that the tories probably gained power , not because the people who voted for them agreed with all the Tory policies, but they disagreed with less of them, than they did with labours policies .

This whole situation will only strengthen Tory following if boris does right by the nhs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think that he will do that, even he could change his opinion after a such life changing event and with all the good care he got too. I think they will invest more in the nhs as well

Only time will tell, but I think things will definitely change.

This whole situation will only strengthen Tory following if boris does right by the nhs.

You start by saying things will change. But then you say that people agree with more Tory policy than they did with Labour policy.

IE. In context. People suppored and agreed with the party who defeated the bill to give NHS workers a fair pay rise and then cheered.

During the last election. No one seemed to be able to point out any issues with Labour policy. They just repeated that slander against Corbyn printed in the mainstream media.

I'm not a labour supporter or voter. But to pretend that Labour lost out because of policy. Is rediculous.

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By *empsey and hotpieceMan
over a year ago

North west

You start by saying things will change. But then you say that people agree with more Tory policy than they did with Labour policy.

IE. In context. People suppored and agreed with the party who defeated the bill to give NHS workers a fair pay rise and then cheered.

During the last election. No one seemed to be able to point out any issues with Labour policy. They just repeated that slander against Corbyn printed in the mainstream media.

I'm not a labour supporter or voter. But to pretend that Labour lost out because of policy. Is rediculous."

I said “I think” not they will, it’s a personal opinion.

And it’s also a personal opinion that it was not just labours policies , but also the fact Corbyn wasn’t seen as a suitable leader.

I’m no expert, don’t profess to be, it’s the people who are also not experts but profess to be that grind my gears.

I’m also not a labour supporter or voted, but neither am I a Tory supporter or voter.

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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

I hope he does not change his mind.

Very very supportive of the NHS pre Election

Why are people trying to say he is not, it was in the Conservative manifesto.

Seriously folks stop spreading lies

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"I hope he does not change his mind.

Very very supportive of the NHS pre Election

Why are people trying to say he is not, it was in the Conservative manifesto.

Seriously folks stop spreading lies

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Mate you are wasting your time anyone who can judge a PM after 4 months in charge is obviously a physic.

I would just give up as you will go round and round in circles and get nowhere, i dont fall for it anymore just laugh.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I hope he does not change his mind.

Very very supportive of the NHS pre Election

Why are people trying to say he is not, it was in the Conservative manifesto.

Seriously folks stop spreading lies

Are you aware of the concept of irony?

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

Think he can do pretty much what he wants when things get back to "normal"

Just a mention of "really sorry, the country is skint, mainly due to all those NHS people wanting to spend all your taxes on aprons, masks and gloves while your old nan in a nursing home didn't even get a bar of soap"

So, let's all get together and build this country back to the great, caring, selfless country it once was. Some stirring wartime music and a photo with an old chap wearing medals and off we go, put taxes up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I hope he does not change his mind.

Very very supportive of the NHS pre Election

Why are people trying to say he is not, it was in the Conservative manifesto.

Seriously folks stop spreading lies

How do we get through the magic door to get to this reality you live in?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I hope he does not change his mind.

Very very supportive of the NHS pre Election

Why are people trying to say he is not, it was in the Conservative manifesto.

Seriously folks stop spreading lies

Mate you are wasting your time anyone who can judge a PM after 4 months in charge is obviously a physic.

I would just give up as you will go round and round in circles and get nowhere, i dont fall for it anymore just laugh.

Oh yes. Sorry. Forgot that we're not allowed to question the mighty all knowing, never lying, Boris Johnson.

All hail the flawless leader.

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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"I hope he does not change his mind.

Very very supportive of the NHS pre Election

Why are people trying to say he is not, it was in the Conservative manifesto.

Seriously folks stop spreading lies

Are you aware of the concept of irony?"

Yes i sure am

Derek Hatton for example

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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"I hope he does not change his mind.

Very very supportive of the NHS pre Election

Why are people trying to say he is not, it was in the Conservative manifesto.

Seriously folks stop spreading lies

Mate you are wasting your time anyone who can judge a PM after 4 months in charge is obviously a physic.

I would just give up as you will go round and round in circles and get nowhere, i dont fall for it anymore just laugh.

I would but I can’t, imagine if the schools decided to give up teaching the bottom set students, citing well im wasting my time they will never understand.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I hope he does not change his mind.

Very very supportive of the NHS pre Election

Why are people trying to say he is not, it was in the Conservative manifesto.

Seriously folks stop spreading lies

Mate you are wasting your time anyone who can judge a PM after 4 months in charge is obviously a physic.

I would just give up as you will go round and round in circles and get nowhere, i dont fall for it anymore just laugh.

I would but I can’t, imagine if the schools decided to give up teaching the bottom set students, citing well im wasting my time they will never understand.

I wonder if you make no progress because Boris Johnson is full of shit, proven serial liar, only cares about himself and his family getting rich, has been incompetent in every government position he's ever held, and because you're trying to argue a lost cause with no information?

I'll even help. Can you give one single example of something positive that Boris Johnson has done. Something not involving lies. Something not just doing the bare minimum. IE you can't use "he showed up to work on time" as an example.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I hope he does not change his mind.

Very very supportive of the NHS pre Election

Why are people trying to say he is not, it was in the Conservative manifesto.

Seriously folks stop spreading lies

Are you aware of the concept of irony?

Yes i sure am

Derek Hatton for example"

Derek Hatton is ironic?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"I hope he does not change his mind.

Very very supportive of the NHS pre Election

Why are people trying to say he is not, it was in the Conservative manifesto.

Seriously folks stop spreading lies

Mate you are wasting your time anyone who can judge a PM after 4 months in charge is obviously a physic.

I would just give up as you will go round and round in circles and get nowhere, i dont fall for it anymore just laugh.

I would but I can’t, imagine if the schools decided to give up teaching the bottom set students, citing well im wasting my time they will never understand.

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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"I hope he does not change his mind.

Very very supportive of the NHS pre Election

Why are people trying to say he is not, it was in the Conservative manifesto.

Seriously folks stop spreading lies

Are you aware of the concept of irony?

Yes i sure am

Derek Hatton for example

Derek Hatton is ironic?"

Yeah Degsy H follower of Trotsky, militant, Labour, champion of the working class

Then made millions setting up websites for the super rich corporations.

Thought a man of knowledge would know this!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I hope he does not change his mind.

Very very supportive of the NHS pre Election

Why are people trying to say he is not, it was in the Conservative manifesto.

Seriously folks stop spreading lies

Are you aware of the concept of irony?

Yes i sure am

Derek Hatton for example

Derek Hatton is ironic?

Yeah Degsy H follower of Trotsky, militant, Labour, champion of the working class

Then made millions setting up websites for the super rich corporations.

Thought a man of knowledge would know this!"

Millions you say?

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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"I hope he does not change his mind.

Very very supportive of the NHS pre Election

Why are people trying to say he is not, it was in the Conservative manifesto.

Seriously folks stop spreading lies

Are you aware of the concept of irony?

Yes i sure am

Derek Hatton for example

Derek Hatton is ironic?

Yeah Degsy H follower of Trotsky, militant, Labour, champion of the working class

Then made millions setting up websites for the super rich corporations.

Thought a man of knowledge would know this!

Millions you say?

Yes he is a Millionaire.

He himself has wrote about his wealth.

Does he still live in your neck of the woods?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I hope he does not change his mind.

Very very supportive of the NHS pre Election

Why are people trying to say he is not, it was in the Conservative manifesto.

Seriously folks stop spreading lies

Are you aware of the concept of irony?

Yes i sure am

Derek Hatton for example

Derek Hatton is ironic?

Yeah Degsy H follower of Trotsky, militant, Labour, champion of the working class

Then made millions setting up websites for the super rich corporations.

Thought a man of knowledge would know this!

Millions you say?

Yes he is a Millionaire.

He himself has wrote about his wealth.

Does he still live in your neck of the woods?

Not sure why I'm defending him..though he dies generally talk sense.

So if you are left wing you have to live the life of a pauper?

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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"I hope he does not change his mind.

Very very supportive of the NHS pre Election

Why are people trying to say he is not, it was in the Conservative manifesto.

Seriously folks stop spreading lies

Are you aware of the concept of irony?

Yes i sure am

Derek Hatton for example

Derek Hatton is ironic?

Yeah Degsy H follower of Trotsky, militant, Labour, champion of the working class

Then made millions setting up websites for the super rich corporations.

Thought a man of knowledge would know this!

Millions you say?

Yes he is a Millionaire.

He himself has wrote about his wealth.

Does he still live in your neck of the woods?

Not sure why I'm defending him..though he dies generally talk sense.

So if you are left wing you have to live the life of a pauper?"

Oh dear, you forget where this stemmed from!

I’ll remind you, you asked me if I understood Irony!

I replied yes, the example I used to support my understanding was Derek Hatton.

Answering your next question.

I think everyone is entitled to do what ever they want within the boundaries of the law. Fortunately I live in a wonderful country that allows this, the UK and im very proud of it.

Could you now confirm if you believe I understand the term Irony?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I hope he does not change his mind.

Very very supportive of the NHS pre Election

Why are people trying to say he is not, it was in the Conservative manifesto.

Seriously folks stop spreading lies

Are you aware of the concept of irony?

Yes i sure am

Derek Hatton for example

Derek Hatton is ironic?

Yeah Degsy H follower of Trotsky, militant, Labour, champion of the working class

Then made millions setting up websites for the super rich corporations.

Thought a man of knowledge would know this!

Millions you say?

Yes he is a Millionaire.

He himself has wrote about his wealth.

Does he still live in your neck of the woods?

Not sure why I'm defending him..though he dies generally talk sense.

So if you are left wing you have to live the life of a pauper?

Oh dear, you forget where this stemmed from!

I’ll remind you, you asked me if I understood Irony!

I replied yes, the example I used to support my understanding was Derek Hatton.

Answering your next question.

I think everyone is entitled to do what ever they want within the boundaries of the law. Fortunately I live in a wonderful country that allows this, the UK and im very proud of it.

Could you now confirm if you believe I understand the term Irony?

I still dont get why Derek Hatton is considered ironic.

Anyeah back on point.

You said boris was very supportive of the NHS pre election?

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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"I hope he does not change his mind.

Very very supportive of the NHS pre Election

Why are people trying to say he is not, it was in the Conservative manifesto.

Seriously folks stop spreading lies

Are you aware of the concept of irony?

Yes i sure am

Derek Hatton for example

Derek Hatton is ironic?

Yeah Degsy H follower of Trotsky, militant, Labour, champion of the working class

Then made millions setting up websites for the super rich corporations.

Thought a man of knowledge would know this!

Millions you say?

Yes he is a Millionaire.

He himself has wrote about his wealth.

Does he still live in your neck of the woods?

Not sure why I'm defending him..though he dies generally talk sense.

So if you are left wing you have to live the life of a pauper?

Oh dear, you forget where this stemmed from!

I’ll remind you, you asked me if I understood Irony!

I replied yes, the example I used to support my understanding was Derek Hatton.

Answering your next question.

I think everyone is entitled to do what ever they want within the boundaries of the law. Fortunately I live in a wonderful country that allows this, the UK and im very proud of it.

Could you now confirm if you believe I understand the term Irony?

I still dont get why Derek Hatton is considered ironic.

Anyeah back on point.

You said boris was very supportive of the NHS pre election?

Do you know what Socialism is?

Do you know what capitalism is?

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By *verysmileMan
over a year ago

Canterbury

Derek Hatton....an example of "if you can't beat them, join them", perhaps?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I hope he does not change his mind.

Very very supportive of the NHS pre Election

Why are people trying to say he is not, it was in the Conservative manifesto.

Seriously folks stop spreading lies

Are you aware of the concept of irony?

Yes i sure am

Derek Hatton for example

Derek Hatton is ironic?

Yeah Degsy H follower of Trotsky, militant, Labour, champion of the working class

Then made millions setting up websites for the super rich corporations.

Thought a man of knowledge would know this!

Millions you say?

Yes he is a Millionaire.

He himself has wrote about his wealth.

Does he still live in your neck of the woods?

Not sure why I'm defending him..though he dies generally talk sense.

So if you are left wing you have to live the life of a pauper?

Oh dear, you forget where this stemmed from!

I’ll remind you, you asked me if I understood Irony!

I replied yes, the example I used to support my understanding was Derek Hatton.

Answering your next question.

I think everyone is entitled to do what ever they want within the boundaries of the law. Fortunately I live in a wonderful country that allows this, the UK and im very proud of it.

Could you now confirm if you believe I understand the term Irony?

I still dont get why Derek Hatton is considered ironic.

Anyeah back on point.

You said boris was very supportive of the NHS pre election?

Do you know what Socialism is?

Do you know what capitalism is?"

I've a rough idea

I take it we are not going back to your original point?

Quite why derek Hatton has to do with is..I'm not sure?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Derek Hatton....an example of "if you can't beat them, join them", perhaps?"

Not really no.

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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"I hope he does not change his mind.

Very very supportive of the NHS pre Election

Why are people trying to say he is not, it was in the Conservative manifesto.

Seriously folks stop spreading lies

Are you aware of the concept of irony?

Yes i sure am

Derek Hatton for example

Derek Hatton is ironic?

Yeah Degsy H follower of Trotsky, militant, Labour, champion of the working class

Then made millions setting up websites for the super rich corporations.

Thought a man of knowledge would know this!

Millions you say?

Yes he is a Millionaire.

He himself has wrote about his wealth.

Does he still live in your neck of the woods?

Not sure why I'm defending him..though he dies generally talk sense.

So if you are left wing you have to live the life of a pauper?

Oh dear, you forget where this stemmed from!

I’ll remind you, you asked me if I understood Irony!

I replied yes, the example I used to support my understanding was Derek Hatton.

Answering your next question.

I think everyone is entitled to do what ever they want within the boundaries of the law. Fortunately I live in a wonderful country that allows this, the UK and im very proud of it.

Could you now confirm if you believe I understand the term Irony?

I still dont get why Derek Hatton is considered ironic.

Anyeah back on point.

You said boris was very supportive of the NHS pre election?

Do you know what Socialism is?

Do you know what capitalism is?

I've a rough idea

I take it we are not going back to your original point?

Quite why derek Hatton has to do with is..I'm not sure?"

As i stated earlier you asked me if i understood irony,

I used an example

You should not ask questions if you do t want answers

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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

Do back to the post

I hope he does not change his opinion as he had a plan to support them and invest in them.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I hope he does not change his mind.

Very very supportive of the NHS pre Election

Why are people trying to say he is not, it was in the Conservative manifesto.

Seriously folks stop spreading lies

Are you aware of the concept of irony?

Yes i sure am

Derek Hatton for example

Derek Hatton is ironic?

Yeah Degsy H follower of Trotsky, militant, Labour, champion of the working class

Then made millions setting up websites for the super rich corporations.

Thought a man of knowledge would know this!

Millions you say?

Yes he is a Millionaire.

He himself has wrote about his wealth.

Does he still live in your neck of the woods?

Not sure why I'm defending him..though he dies generally talk sense.

So if you are left wing you have to live the life of a pauper?

Oh dear, you forget where this stemmed from!

I’ll remind you, you asked me if I understood Irony!

I replied yes, the example I used to support my understanding was Derek Hatton.

Answering your next question.

I think everyone is entitled to do what ever they want within the boundaries of the law. Fortunately I live in a wonderful country that allows this, the UK and im very proud of it.

Could you now confirm if you believe I understand the term Irony?

I still dont get why Derek Hatton is considered ironic.

Anyeah back on point.

You said boris was very supportive of the NHS pre election?

Do you know what Socialism is?

Do you know what capitalism is?

I've a rough idea

I take it we are not going back to your original point?

Quite why derek Hatton has to do with is..I'm not sure?

As i stated earlier you asked me if i understood irony,

I used an example

You should not ask questions if you do t want answers

Ok so derek hatton is ironic.

Back to your point about boris

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Do back to the post

I hope he does not change his opinion as he had a plan to support them and invest in them.

Right this plan..is to build 40 new hospitals..but there is actually only funding for 6 of them

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

After promising 50,000 new nurses The actual figure is 31,000

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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"After promising 50,000 new nurses The actual figure is 31,000"

Not bad progress 4 months in

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over a year ago

liverpool

"After promising 50,000 new nurses The actual figure is 31,000

Not bad progress 4 months in"

No 31000 havent started..that's the true figure.

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over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

So by already securing funding for 6 hospitals and 31,000 new positions he is showing he is against the NHS?

I’d say getting Brexit Done and securing this so far he is making fantastic ground on his premise

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

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"Do back to the post

I hope he does not change his opinion as he had a plan to support them and invest in them.

In some ways his plan was very similar to trump when he said to his supporters at rallies that Mexico will play for the wall..

The claim that Boris made about 40 new hospitals is pie in the sky, it sounds terrific to people happy to believe anything but when an objective eye is cast over the actual details the reality is much different..

Ironically it's going to prevented by the cost of this virus and its impact upon the public purse..

And they all do it, labour have done similar in the past..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"So by already securing funding for 6 hospitals and 31,000 new positions he is showing he is against the NHS?

I’d say getting Brexit Done and securing this so far he is making fantastic ground on his premise "

Brexit is far from done..

It's a catchphrase that hides the reality that brexit will take years to be done..

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So by already securing funding for 6 hospitals and 31,000 new positions he is showing he is against the NHS?

I’d say getting Brexit Done and securing this so far he is making fantastic ground on his premise "

He said 40.

The reality is 6.

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over a year ago

liverpool

"So by already securing funding for 6 hospitals and 31,000 new positions he is showing he is against the NHS?

I’d say getting Brexit Done and securing this so far he is making fantastic ground on his premise "

And he hasnt secured funding.

No one knows how these hospitals are to be funded.

A new hospital was meant to be built in liverpool but the firm given the contract went bust..carillion.

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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

So getting back to basics of the post

The post title : Will boris change his mind sbout the nhs?

So in order to reply to the post with credibility, is everyone clear on what his opinion was?

If not here is a link

https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative%202019%20Manifesto.pdf

Having again read this, I feel his position towards the NHS was very very positive as an institution, a skilled workforce, and he recognised under staffing levels, nurses, doctors, associate nurses, and he is making it a priority to improve.

More Nurses

More Doctors

More Hospitals

Are just some of the highlights.

Now I know this and have confirmed this, I will stand by my original post, I hope he does not change his mind.

Do other people hope he does?

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over a year ago

liverpool

"So getting back to basics of the post

The post title : Will boris change his mind sbout the nhs?

So in order to reply to the post with credibility, is everyone clear on what his opinion was?

If not here is a link

https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative%202019%20Manifesto.pdf

More Nurses

More Doctors

More Hospitals

Are just some of the highlights.

Now I know this and have confirmed this, I will stand by my original post, I hope he does not change his mind.

Do other people hope he does?

I think you have seen the evidence above.

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over a year ago

"So by already securing funding for 6 hospitals and 31,000 new positions he is showing he is against the NHS?

I’d say getting Brexit Done and securing this so far he is making fantastic ground on his premise "

Come on now. "Getting brexit done", that's opening yourself up there.

He made a fucking mess of Brexit. Which in fairness was already a fucking mess. And he hardly had a good record of telling the truth. £350 on the side of the bus. As an example.

Brexit is for his personal benefit. And he's made a pigs ear of it.

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over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"So getting back to basics of the post

The post title : Will boris change his mind sbout the nhs?

So in order to reply to the post with credibility, is everyone clear on what his opinion was?

If not here is a link

https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative%202019%20Manifesto.pdf

More Nurses

More Doctors

More Hospitals

Are just some of the highlights.

Now I know this and have confirmed this, I will stand by my original post, I hope he does not change his mind.

Do other people hope he does?

I think you have seen the evidence above."

I dont think you actually have an argument on the title of the post.

Why not read things twice, well once in some circumstances.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"So getting back to basics of the post

The post title : Will boris change his mind sbout the nhs?

So in order to reply to the post with credibility, is everyone clear on what his opinion was?

If not here is a link

https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative%202019%20Manifesto.pdf

More Nurses

More Doctors

More Hospitals

Are just some of the highlights.

Now I know this and have confirmed this, I will stand by my original post, I hope he does not change his mind.

Do other people hope he does?

I think you have seen the evidence above.

I dont think you actually have an argument on the title of the post.

Why not read things twice, well once in some circumstances.

I have just give you 2 perfect examples.

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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"So getting back to basics of the post

The post title : Will boris change his mind sbout the nhs?

So in order to reply to the post with credibility, is everyone clear on what his opinion was?

If not here is a link

https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative%202019%20Manifesto.pdf

More Nurses

More Doctors

More Hospitals

Are just some of the highlights.

Now I know this and have confirmed this, I will stand by my original post, I hope he does not change his mind.

Do other people hope he does?

I think you have seen the evidence above.

I dont think you actually have an argument on the title of the post.

Why not read things twice, well once in some circumstances.

I have just give you 2 perfect examples."

Im struggling to find any examples of how his opinion has changed

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over a year ago

liverpool

"So getting back to basics of the post

The post title : Will boris change his mind sbout the nhs?

So in order to reply to the post with credibility, is everyone clear on what his opinion was?

If not here is a link

https://assets-global.website-files.com/5da42e2cae7ebd3f8bde353c/5dda924905da587992a064ba_Conservative%202019%20Manifesto.pdf

More Nurses

More Doctors

More Hospitals

Are just some of the highlights.

Now I know this and have confirmed this, I will stand by my original post, I hope he does not change his mind.

Do other people hope he does?

I think you have seen the evidence above.

I dont think you actually have an argument on the title of the post.

Why not read things twice, well once in some circumstances.

I have just give you 2 perfect examples.

Im struggling to find any examples of how his opinion has changed

We wont know that for a while yet.

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over a year ago

I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

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over a year ago

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh. "

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

Have you even bothered to check what actually happened?

And beside that it's common practice for parties either side of the house to cheer when they win a vote. It's part and parcel of the pomp in parliament.

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over a year ago

liverpool

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh. "

https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-said-patients-charged-to-use-the-nhs-2019-12?r=US&IR=T

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over a year ago

liverpool

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

Have you even bothered to check what actually happened?

And beside that it's common practice for parties either side of the house to cheer when they win a vote. It's part and parcel of the pomp in parliament. "

The vote was passed to deny a public sector pay rise.

Tories cheered.

End of story.

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over a year ago

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

Have you even bothered to check what actually happened?

And beside that it's common practice for parties either side of the house to cheer when they win a vote. It's part and parcel of the pomp in parliament.

The vote was passed to deny a public sector pay rise.

Tories cheered.

End of story."

Yeah it's just something that happened.

If that makes you think Johnson supports the NHS. Then fair fucks to you, you're allowed any opinion you want. No matter how left field it may be.

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

Have you even bothered to check what actually happened?

And beside that it's common practice for parties either side of the house to cheer when they win a vote. It's part and parcel of the pomp in parliament.

The vote was passed to deny a public sector pay rise.

Tories cheered.

End of story."

That's not the end of the story though is it.

Although in your view of the world I guess it may be.!

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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

Have you even bothered to check what actually happened?

And beside that it's common practice for parties either side of the house to cheer when they win a vote. It's part and parcel of the pomp in parliament.

The vote was passed to deny a public sector pay rise.

Tories cheered.

End of story.

Yeah it's just something that happened.

If that makes you think Johnson supports the NHS. Then fair fucks to you, you're allowed any opinion you want. No matter how left field it may be. "

I posted the Conservative 2019 election campaign link earlier.

Why not put the beano down for two mins and read that, it might open your eyes and mind

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

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You are very selective to try and sensationalize you post, it was not a vote just to give the nurses a pay rise above the cap it was ALL public workers which the nhs is part of.Im sure some will buy into your repeated post about it and believe its true but i guess thats what people like you get a hardon over.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh. "

He is on record saying he wants to break it up and patients should pay.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

You are very selective to try and sensationalize you post, it was not a vote just to give the nurses a pay rise above the cap it was ALL public workers which the nhs is part of.Im sure some will buy into your repeated post about it and believe its true but i guess thats what people like you get a hardon over. "

Does that make it ok?

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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

He is on record saying he wants to break it up and patients should pay."

I’d be interested in reading that if you know where i could find it. I’d not heard of this.

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over a year ago

liverpool

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

Have you even bothered to check what actually happened?

And beside that it's common practice for parties either side of the house to cheer when they win a vote. It's part and parcel of the pomp in parliament.

The vote was passed to deny a public sector pay rise.

Tories cheered.

End of story.

Yeah it's just something that happened.

If that makes you think Johnson supports the NHS. Then fair fucks to you, you're allowed any opinion you want. No matter how left field it may be.

I posted the Conservative 2019 election campaign link earlier.

Why not put the beano down for two mins and read that, it might open your eyes and mind"

You see the problem with that..just because they say they are going to do something ...doesnt necessarily mean they are going t8 do.

And Johnson does have a bit of history with the truth doesnt he?Let's be honest here.

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over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

He is on record saying he wants to break it up and patients should pay.

I’d be interested in reading that if you know where i could find it. I’d not heard of this."

Found https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-said-patients-charged-to-use-the-nhs-2019-12%3famp

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over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

Have you even bothered to check what actually happened?

And beside that it's common practice for parties either side of the house to cheer when they win a vote. It's part and parcel of the pomp in parliament.

The vote was passed to deny a public sector pay rise.

Tories cheered.

End of story.

Yeah it's just something that happened.

If that makes you think Johnson supports the NHS. Then fair fucks to you, you're allowed any opinion you want. No matter how left field it may be.

I posted the Conservative 2019 election campaign link earlier.

Why not put the beano down for two mins and read that, it might open your eyes and mind

You see the problem with that..just because they say they are going to do something ...doesnt necessarily mean they are going t8 do.

And Johnson does have a bit of history with the truth doesnt he?Let's be honest here."

I can post the Labour one too.

It mentions increasing NHS funding by 4.7%

Not sure how that compares to whats been approved in March, I guess its a lot more??

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

He is on record saying he wants to break it up and patients should pay.

I’d be interested in reading that if you know where i could find it. I’d not heard of this.

Found https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-said-patients-charged-to-use-the-nhs-2019-12%3famp"

Yep that's it

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

Have you even bothered to check what actually happened?

And beside that it's common practice for parties either side of the house to cheer when they win a vote. It's part and parcel of the pomp in parliament.

The vote was passed to deny a public sector pay rise.

Tories cheered.

End of story.

That's not the end of the story though is it.

Although in your view of the world I guess it may be.!"

Here's one that put the vote in true context.

https://fullfact.org/health/queens-speech-public-sector-pay/

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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

He is on record saying he wants to break it up and patients should pay.

I’d be interested in reading that if you know where i could find it. I’d not heard of this.

Found https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-said-patients-charged-to-use-the-nhs-2019-12%3famp

Yep that's it"

It was in 1995, and if you look at it he was saying people do not Value it and take the ... out if it. It goes on to mention it should be there for people who cant afford it and the elderly.

Heres what Corbyn was saying in 1995 between his meetings with Terrorist, and planning the EU downfall.

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/people/mr-jeremy-corbyn/1995

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over a year ago

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

Have you even bothered to check what actually happened?

And beside that it's common practice for parties either side of the house to cheer when they win a vote. It's part and parcel of the pomp in parliament.

The vote was passed to deny a public sector pay rise.

Tories cheered.

End of story.

That's not the end of the story though is it.

Although in your view of the world I guess it may be.!

Here's one that put the vote in true context.

https://fullfact.org/health/queens-speech-public-sector-pay/"

Yeah. Fuck public sector employees. I'm voting Tory from now on.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

He is on record saying he wants to break it up and patients should pay.

I’d be interested in reading that if you know where i could find it. I’d not heard of this.

Found https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-said-patients-charged-to-use-the-nhs-2019-12%3famp

Yep that's it

It was in 1995, and if you look at it he was saying people do not Value it and take the ... out if it. It goes on to mention it should be there for people who cant afford it and the elderly.

Heres what Corbyn was saying in 1995 between his meetings with Terrorist, and planning the EU downfall.

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/people/mr-jeremy-corbyn/1995

Ahh so it was in 1995 it can be discounted?

You realise he has a history of lying?

Why is Corbyn even relevant?

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over a year ago

liverpool

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

Have you even bothered to check what actually happened?

And beside that it's common practice for parties either side of the house to cheer when they win a vote. It's part and parcel of the pomp in parliament.

The vote was passed to deny a public sector pay rise.

Tories cheered.

End of story.

That's not the end of the story though is it.

Although in your view of the world I guess it may be.!

Here's one that put the vote in true context.

https://fullfact.org/health/queens-speech-public-sector-pay/"

Have I read that right?instead of nothing they got 1%?

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

Have you even bothered to check what actually happened?

And beside that it's common practice for parties either side of the house to cheer when they win a vote. It's part and parcel of the pomp in parliament.

The vote was passed to deny a public sector pay rise.

Tories cheered.

End of story.

That's not the end of the story though is it.

Although in your view of the world I guess it may be.!

Here's one that put the vote in true context.

https://fullfact.org/health/queens-speech-public-sector-pay/

Have I read that right?instead of nothing they got 1%?"

I read it as the vote by Labour that was defeated was asking for only a 1% increase.

However later in the year the government increase was greater than 1%.

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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

He is on record saying he wants to break it up and patients should pay.

I’d be interested in reading that if you know where i could find it. I’d not heard of this.

Found https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-said-patients-charged-to-use-the-nhs-2019-12%3famp

Yep that's it

It was in 1995, and if you look at it he was saying people do not Value it and take the ... out if it. It goes on to mention it should be there for people who cant afford it and the elderly.

Heres what Corbyn was saying in 1995 between his meetings with Terrorist, and planning the EU downfall.

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/people/mr-jeremy-corbyn/1995

Ahh so it was in 1995 it can be discounted?

You realise he has a history of lying?

Why is Corbyn even relevant?

Well first of all he is actually supporting the NHS in this 1995 column, and also supporting the people who are not top earners.

Secondly if digging up articles from the 1995 Spectator is relevant, why not speak about what the Alternative to Boris as PM was doing during the same period.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

He is on record saying he wants to break it up and patients should pay.

I’d be interested in reading that if you know where i could find it. I’d not heard of this.

Found https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-said-patients-charged-to-use-the-nhs-2019-12%3famp

Yep that's it

It was in 1995, and if you look at it he was saying people do not Value it and take the ... out if it. It goes on to mention it should be there for people who cant afford it and the elderly.

Heres what Corbyn was saying in 1995 between his meetings with Terrorist, and planning the EU downfall.

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/people/mr-jeremy-corbyn/1995

Ahh so it was in 1995 it can be discounted?

You realise he has a history of lying?

Why is Corbyn even relevant?

Well first of all he is actually supporting the NHS in this 1995 column, and also supporting the people who are not top earners.

Secondly if digging up articles from the 1995 Spectator is relevant, why not speak about what the Alternative to Boris as PM was doing during the same period.

I suppose..because the thread is about boris?

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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

He is on record saying he wants to break it up and patients should pay.

I’d be interested in reading that if you know where i could find it. I’d not heard of this.

Found https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-said-patients-charged-to-use-the-nhs-2019-12%3famp

Yep that's it

It was in 1995, and if you look at it he was saying people do not Value it and take the ... out if it. It goes on to mention it should be there for people who cant afford it and the elderly.

Heres what Corbyn was saying in 1995 between his meetings with Terrorist, and planning the EU downfall.

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/people/mr-jeremy-corbyn/1995

Ahh so it was in 1995 it can be discounted?

You realise he has a history of lying?

Why is Corbyn even relevant?

Well first of all he is actually supporting the NHS in this 1995 column, and also supporting the people who are not top earners.

Secondly if digging up articles from the 1995 Spectator is relevant, why not speak about what the Alternative to Boris as PM was doing during the same period.

I suppose..because the thread is about boris?"

Of course you are right.

I hope he opinion does not change.

Big supporter big funder ... satisfied customer

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over a year ago

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10999/boris_johnson/uxbridge_and_south_ruislip/votes

Here's Boris's voting record.

Occasionally he gets it right. But most of it is pretty grim reading. Unless you're into war, destroying the environment and making poor people's live difficult.

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over a year ago

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

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Boris has given his unconditional support to the NHS. If you want proof of this just check the recent budget and the substantial increase in funding .

On previous occasions NHS staff got an increase of 1.1 % . Many staff in the private sector who may not have had any increases over the last ten years would be greatfull for any increase.

Boris has already expressed his thanks to the NHS staff personally. The substantial increase in funding proves he has put his words into action.

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over a year ago

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

He is on record saying he wants to break it up and patients should pay.

I’d be interested in reading that if you know where i could find it. I’d not heard of this.

Found https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-said-patients-charged-to-use-the-nhs-2019-12%3famp

Yep that's it

It was in 1995, and if you look at it he was saying people do not Value it and take the ... out if it. It goes on to mention it should be there for people who cant afford it and the elderly.

Heres what Corbyn was saying in 1995 between his meetings with Terrorist, and planning the EU downfall.

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/people/mr-jeremy-corbyn/1995

Ahh so it was in 1995 it can be discounted?

You realise he has a history of lying?

Why is Corbyn even relevant?

Well first of all he is actually supporting the NHS in this 1995 column, and also supporting the people who are not top earners.

Secondly if digging up articles from the 1995 Spectator is relevant, why not speak about what the Alternative to Boris as PM was doing during the same period.

I suppose..because the thread is about boris?

Of course you are right.

I hope he opinion does not change.

Big supporter big funder ... satisfied customer"
Same here in common with most of the electorate. We are backing one of life's winners.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

He is on record saying he wants to break it up and patients should pay.

I’d be interested in reading that if you know where i could find it. I’d not heard of this.

Found https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-said-patients-charged-to-use-the-nhs-2019-12%3famp

Yep that's it

It was in 1995, and if you look at it he was saying people do not Value it and take the ... out if it. It goes on to mention it should be there for people who cant afford it and the elderly.

Heres what Corbyn was saying in 1995 between his meetings with Terrorist, and planning the EU downfall.

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/people/mr-jeremy-corbyn/1995

Ahh so it was in 1995 it can be discounted?

You realise he has a history of lying?

Why is Corbyn even relevant?

Well first of all he is actually supporting the NHS in this 1995 column, and also supporting the people who are not top earners.

Secondly if digging up articles from the 1995 Spectator is relevant, why not speak about what the Alternative to Boris as PM was doing during the same period.

I suppose..because the thread is about boris?

Of course you are right.

I hope he opinion does not change.

Big supporter big funder ... satisfied customer Same here in common with most of the electorate. We are backing one of life's winners. "

We are backing one of life's liars.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

Boris has given his unconditional support to the NHS. If you want proof of this just check the recent budget and the substantial increase in funding .

On previous occasions NHS staff got an increase of 1.1 % . Many staff in the private sector who may not have had any increases over the last ten years would be greatfull for any increase.

Boris has already expressed his thanks to the NHS staff personally. The substantial increase in funding proves he has put his words into action. "

Exactly they should be happy with that 1.1%

You have to be care with these things..its a slippery slope.

Next they will be asking for breaks and equipment to save their lives.

It's a slippery slope.

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over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

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over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

Boris has given his unconditional support to the NHS. If you want proof of this just check the recent budget and the substantial increase in funding .

On previous occasions NHS staff got an increase of 1.1 % . Many staff in the private sector who may not have had any increases over the last ten years would be greatfull for any increase.

Boris has already expressed his thanks to the NHS staff personally. The substantial increase in funding proves he has put his words into action.

Exactly they should be happy with that 1.1%

You have to be care with these things..its a slippery slope.

Next they will be asking for breaks and equipment to save their lives.

It's a slippery slope."

Remind me about the 1.1% is this what Boris provided?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

Boris has given his unconditional support to the NHS. If you want proof of this just check the recent budget and the substantial increase in funding .

On previous occasions NHS staff got an increase of 1.1 % . Many staff in the private sector who may not have had any increases over the last ten years would be greatfull for any increase.

Boris has already expressed his thanks to the NHS staff personally. The substantial increase in funding proves he has put his words into action.

Exactly they should be happy with that 1.1%

You have to be care with these things..its a slippery slope.

Next they will be asking for breaks and equipment to save their lives.

It's a slippery slope.

Remind me about the 1.1% is this what Boris provided?

I cant speak for nurses but there was a 6 year pay freeze..when it was lifted it was 1.1% under Theresa may.

I believe a 6% one has been agreed now over 3 years.

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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

Boris has given his unconditional support to the NHS. If you want proof of this just check the recent budget and the substantial increase in funding .

On previous occasions NHS staff got an increase of 1.1 % . Many staff in the private sector who may not have had any increases over the last ten years would be greatfull for any increase.

Boris has already expressed his thanks to the NHS staff personally. The substantial increase in funding proves he has put his words into action.

Exactly they should be happy with that 1.1%

You have to be care with these things..its a slippery slope.

Next they will be asking for breaks and equipment to save their lives.

It's a slippery slope.

Remind me about the 1.1% is this what Boris provided?

I cant speak for nurses but there was a 6 year pay freeze..when it was lifted it was 1.1% under Theresa may.

I believe a 6% one has been agreed now over 3 years."

Is that 1.1% relevant for this Boris thread?

Baring in mind you asked me not to bring Hezza Jezza into yesterday !

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

Boris has given his unconditional support to the NHS. If you want proof of this just check the recent budget and the substantial increase in funding .

On previous occasions NHS staff got an increase of 1.1 % . Many staff in the private sector who may not have had any increases over the last ten years would be greatfull for any increase.

Boris has already expressed his thanks to the NHS staff personally. The substantial increase in funding proves he has put his words into action.

Exactly they should be happy with that 1.1%

You have to be care with these things..its a slippery slope.

Next they will be asking for breaks and equipment to save their lives.

It's a slippery slope.

Remind me about the 1.1% is this what Boris provided?

I cant speak for nurses but there was a 6 year pay freeze..when it was lifted it was 1.1% under Theresa may.

I believe a 6% one has been agreed now over 3 years.

Is that 1.1% relevant for this Boris thread?

Baring in mind you asked me not to bring Hezza Jezza into yesterday !"

Well as it's been mentioned several times I'd say its relevant?

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By *uckymooMan
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"I never had any doubt he supported the NHS. It is all the stupid bull shit that The tory bashing people keep spouting out about him that amazes me tbh.

What about, for example, when he voted against the NHS pay rise. Then laughed and cheered when they defeated the bill.

Did that give you the impression of a man who supports the NHS?

Boris has given his unconditional support to the NHS. If you want proof of this just check the recent budget and the substantial increase in funding .

On previous occasions NHS staff got an increase of 1.1 % . Many staff in the private sector who may not have had any increases over the last ten years would be greatfull for any increase.

Boris has already expressed his thanks to the NHS staff personally. The substantial increase in funding proves he has put his words into action.

Exactly they should be happy with that 1.1%

You have to be care with these things..its a slippery slope.

Next they will be asking for breaks and equipment to save their lives.

It's a slippery slope.

Remind me about the 1.1% is this what Boris provided?

I cant speak for nurses but there was a 6 year pay freeze..when it was lifted it was 1.1% under Theresa may.

I believe a 6% one has been agreed now over 3 years.

Is that 1.1% relevant for this Boris thread?

Baring in mind you asked me not to bring Hezza Jezza into yesterday !

Well as it's been mentioned several times I'd say its relevant?"

Full of contradictions and irony as usual i see.

Typical

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