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"I don't mean be more accurate I mean say for example they announce tomorrow 250 people have died they don't say out off those 250 ex amount had nothing else wrong with them so many had other problems. It just seems to me by just saying so many people are dying from the virus it's scaring people even more than it needs to be " The news reports give that information. Sky in particular emphasis that “only x number had no underlying health conditions” The daily briefing can’t cover every single piece of information | |||
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"I don't mean be more accurate I mean say for example they announce tomorrow 250 people have died they don't say out off those 250 ex amount had nothing else wrong with them so many had other problems. It just seems to me by just saying so many people are dying from the virus it's scaring people even more than it needs to be " If anything the death toll is being quoted well under the actual figure. They are only counting hospital patients with a confirmed COVID-19 test result. This means medical staff and those who die elsewhere are not included. | |||
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"Maybe families who have loved one's past away weather be the virus or other causes surely for them weather its in the public interest...I myself rather not. confidentiality and privacy to grieve..so government not release the kind of information unless familys wish2 release sencertive information..." Death certificates are public record so that kind of information can be collated without any contact without any contact with families | |||
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"I don't mean be more accurate I mean say for example they announce tomorrow 250 people have died they don't say out off those 250 ex amount had nothing else wrong with them so many had other problems. It just seems to me by just saying so many people are dying from the virus it's scaring people even more than it needs to be " we the confidentiality act as an Ex NHS member staff we have 2 sign we dont submit any patient information..that should include government not 2 release sencertive information.... | |||
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"I don't mean be more accurate I mean say for example they announce tomorrow 250 people have died they don't say out off those 250 ex amount had nothing else wrong with them so many had other problems. It just seems to me by just saying so many people are dying from the virus it's scaring people even more than it needs to be we the confidentiality act as an Ex NHS member staff we have 2 sign we dont submit any patient information..that should include government not 2 release sencertive information...." Registrars can collate information about causes of death. That’s how we know how many people die each year from various conditions. It’s anonymised data. No confidentiality is breached from people knowing that x number of people died last year from heart disease. The same for Covid-19 | |||
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"Maybe families who have loved one's past away weather be the virus or other causes surely for them weather its in the public interest...I myself rather not. confidentiality and privacy to grieve..so government not release the kind of information unless familys wish2 release sencertive information...maybe if that is the case then really requires changing...shud only be next of kin have that kind sencertive information not really for public....remember this is my opinion others maywell feel differently just think its private matter not for public domain..... Death certificates are public record so that kind of information can be collated without any contact without any contact with families " | |||
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"Maybe families who have loved one's past away weather be the virus or other causes surely for them weather its in the public interest...I myself rather not. confidentiality and privacy to grieve..so government not release the kind of information unless familys wish2 release sencertive information...maybe if that is the case then really requires changing...shud only be next of kin have that kind sencertive information not really for public....remember this is my opinion others maywell feel differently just think its private matter not for public domain..... Death certificates are public record so that kind of information can be collated without any contact without any contact with families " Birth, death and marriage certificates are public record. Anyone can buy any certificate. How would we know how many people died from asthma or RTAs or even how many die from a pandemic (to know there is a pandemic we need to know that people are sick and dying) if that information was withheld? Someone’s cause of death isn’t sensitive information, it’s public record. Now, the question is should the likes of newspapers use that information to contact families - absolutely not. However, that misuse of it should be dealt with rather than it be withheld | |||
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"You need to ask the question...the people that die today, would they have died anyway today, or did Covid cause their death today. Regardless of underlying conditions and age. If the answer is they would not have died of their underlying condition today, then Covid is their cause of death. In fact, you are right...the figures are wrong. They are actually higher as they only include those who died in hospital, not the folk who died at home and in nursing homes as a result of Covid " Home and nursing home deaths up until the previous Friday are added to the total every Tuesday. Adding them daily is simply NOT possible. On the question of did they die OF or WITH CV19, if you have a massive car crash but die of a heart attack, who would you blame the heart attack or the car crash? | |||
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"I don't mean be more accurate I mean say for example they announce tomorrow 250 people have died they don't say out off those 250 ex amount had nothing else wrong with them so many had other problems. It just seems to me by just saying so many people are dying from the virus it's scaring people even more than it needs to be we the confidentiality act as an Ex NHS member staff we have 2 sign we dont submit any patient information..that should include government not 2 release sencertive information....yes I absolutely agree with your answer 2 collect information overall without infringement of people who grieve there loved ones ....the chap who asked why could the government release information on how many have past away from the virus or any other medical condition is sencertive ...I have worked on the frontline NHS I would of been sacked if I ever released information about clients in the wards its sencertive information.... Registrars can collate information about causes of death. That’s how we know how many people die each year from various conditions. It’s anonymised data. No confidentiality is breached from people knowing that x number of people died last year from heart disease. The same for Covid-19" | |||
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"I don't mean be more accurate I mean say for example they announce tomorrow 250 people have died they don't say out off those 250 ex amount had nothing else wrong with them so many had other problems. It just seems to me by just saying so many people are dying from the virus it's scaring people even more than it needs to be we the confidentiality act as an Ex NHS member staff we have 2 sign we dont submit any patient information..that should include government not 2 release sencertive information....yes I absolutely agree with your answer 2 collect information overall without infringement of people who grieve there loved ones ....the chap who asked why could the government release information on how many have past away from the virus or any other medical condition is sencertive ...I have worked on the frontline NHS I would of been sacked if I ever released information about clients in the wards its sencertive information.... Registrars can collate information about causes of death. That’s how we know how many people die each year from various conditions. It’s anonymised data. No confidentiality is breached from people knowing that x number of people died last year from heart disease. The same for Covid-19" It's not remotely sensitive information to say "100 people died, 27 of those people had underlying health conditions" - which is what happens on news reports. That's completely different from a NHS staff member, like myself, telling other random people specific details. They're not revealling that Mary had heart diseased and Jimmy had diabetes. Just basic numbers. | |||
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"What about the people who will die because their treatment has been cancelled because of the virus? They are victims as well. " absolutely agree I think at this time its in the patients interest that NHS cancel ifeel for clients who require treatment...if NHS decision 2 go ahead do all treatments some patients will not be strong enough to fight the virus ...covid19 program on itv1 tonight the lady answered questions regarding this topic of cancer suffers or any medical condition issues that it's in the best interest the decision 2stop treatments.... | |||
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"Maybe families who have loved one's past away weather be the virus or other causes surely for them weather its in the public interest...I myself rather not. confidentiality and privacy to grieve..so government not release the kind of information unless familys wish2 release sencertive information...maybe if that is the case then really requires changing...shud only be next of kin have that kind sencertive information not really for public....remember this is my opinion others maywell feel differently just think its private matter not for public domain..... Death certificates are public record so that kind of information can be collated without any contact without any contact with families Birth, death and marriage certificates are public record. Anyone can buy any certificate. How would we know how many people died from asthma or RTAs or even how many die from a pandemic (to know there is a pandemic we need to know that people are sick and dying) if that information was withheld? Someone’s cause of death isn’t sensitive information, it’s public record. Now, the question is should the likes of newspapers use that information to contact families - absolutely not. However, that misuse of it should be dealt with rather than it be withheld " that is the coroner's department there ones who have frontline information on a person's death..why would you want search my mum death and searching death birth marriages unless there your next of kin what point do we want 2 be common knowledge 2 the public ...this is my opinion and not of others ... | |||
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"I don't mean be more accurate I mean say for example they announce tomorrow 250 people have died they don't say out off those 250 ex amount had nothing else wrong with them so many had other problems. It just seems to me by just saying so many people are dying from the virus it's scaring people even more than it needs to be we the confidentiality act as an Ex NHS member staff we have 2 sign we dont submit any patient information..that should include government not 2 release sencertive information....yes I absolutely agree with your answer 2 collect information overall without infringement of people who grieve there loved ones ....the chap who asked why could the government release information on how many have past away from the virus or any other medical condition is sencertive ...I have worked on the frontline NHS I would of been sacked if I ever released information about clients in the wards its sencertive information.... Registrars can collate information about causes of death. That’s how we know how many people die each year from various conditions. It’s anonymised data. No confidentiality is breached from people knowing that x number of people died last year from heart disease. The same for Covid-19 It's not remotely sensitive information to say "100 people died, 27 of those people had underlying health conditions" - which is what happens on news reports. That's completely different from a NHS staff member, like myself, telling other random people specific details. They're not revealling that Mary had heart diseased and Jimmy had diabetes. Just basic numbers. " I'm with u on just numbers absolutely agree... | |||
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"I’m not even sure we can accurately report the death rate at the moment. They don’t have the capability. " Very true and they do tell you this in the press conference everyday | |||
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"Maybe families who have loved one's past away weather be the virus or other causes surely for them weather its in the public interest...I myself rather not. confidentiality and privacy to grieve..so government not release the kind of information unless familys wish2 release sencertive information...maybe if that is the case then really requires changing...shud only be next of kin have that kind sencertive information not really for public....remember this is my opinion others maywell feel differently just think its private matter not for public domain..... Death certificates are public record so that kind of information can be collated without any contact without any contact with families Birth, death and marriage certificates are public record. Anyone can buy any certificate. How would we know how many people died from asthma or RTAs or even how many die from a pandemic (to know there is a pandemic we need to know that people are sick and dying) if that information was withheld? Someone’s cause of death isn’t sensitive information, it’s public record. Now, the question is should the likes of newspapers use that information to contact families - absolutely not. However, that misuse of it should be dealt with rather than it be withheld that is the coroner's department there ones who have frontline information on a person's death..why would you want search my mum death and searching death birth marriages unless there your next of kin what point do we want 2 be common knowledge 2 the public ...this is my opinion and not of others ..." The Registrars have the access as well and collate the statistics How do you think people have been doing their family tree since the boom of that particular hobby? However, opinion isn't really relevant to the question. Death certificates are public record therefore stating that X people have had underlying conditions isn't sensitive information as it is anonymous data. | |||
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"Maybe families who have loved one's past away weather be the virus or other causes surely for them weather its in the public interest...I myself rather not. confidentiality and privacy to grieve..so government not release the kind of information unless familys wish2 release sencertive information...maybe if that is the case then really requires changing...shud only be next of kin have that kind sencertive information not really for public....remember this is my opinion others maywell feel differently just think its private matter not for public domain..... Death certificates are public record so that kind of information can be collated without any contact without any contact with families Birth, death and marriage certificates are public record. Anyone can buy any certificate. How would we know how many people died from asthma or RTAs or even how many die from a pandemic (to know there is a pandemic we need to know that people are sick and dying) if that information was withheld? Someone’s cause of death isn’t sensitive information, it’s public record. Now, the question is should the likes of newspapers use that information to contact families - absolutely not. However, that misuse of it should be dealt with rather than it be withheld that is the coroner's department there ones who have frontline information on a person's death..why would you want search my mum death and searching death birth marriages unless there your next of kin what point do we want 2 be common knowledge 2 the public ...this is my opinion and not of others ... The Registrars have the access as well and collate the statistics How do you think people have been doing their family tree since the boom of that particular hobby? However, opinion isn't really relevant to the question. Death certificates are public record therefore stating that X people have had underlying conditions isn't sensitive information as it is anonymous data. " I'm saying that information should not be in public domain its personal 2me what my mum past away with not for the public 2 look at ..have 2 say I'm sure you have no interest that's why said its sencertive information for me ..... | |||
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"Maybe families who have loved one's past away weather be the virus or other causes surely for them weather its in the public interest...I myself rather not. confidentiality and privacy to grieve..so government not release the kind of information unless familys wish2 release sencertive information...maybe if that is the case then really requires changing...shud only be next of kin have that kind sencertive information not really for public....remember this is my opinion others maywell feel differently just think its private matter not for public domain..... Death certificates are public record so that kind of information can be collated without any contact without any contact with families Birth, death and marriage certificates are public record. Anyone can buy any certificate. How would we know how many people died from asthma or RTAs or even how many die from a pandemic (to know there is a pandemic we need to know that people are sick and dying) if that information was withheld? Someone’s cause of death isn’t sensitive information, it’s public record. Now, the question is should the likes of newspapers use that information to contact families - absolutely not. However, that misuse of it should be dealt with rather than it be withheld that is the coroner's department there ones who have frontline information on a person's death..why would you want search my mum death and searching death birth marriages unless there your next of kin what point do we want 2 be common knowledge 2 the public ...this is my opinion and not of others ... The Registrars have the access as well and collate the statistics How do you think people have been doing their family tree since the boom of that particular hobby? However, opinion isn't really relevant to the question. Death certificates are public record therefore stating that X people have had underlying conditions isn't sensitive information as it is anonymous data. I'm saying that information should not be in public domain its personal 2me what my mum past away with not for the public 2 look at ..have 2 say I'm sure you have no interest that's why said its sencertive information for me ....." I only said what I did because your first post said the information couldn’t be given; not that it shouldn’t be given. I wouldn’t have interest in your Mum specifically, but death certificates hold interest for whole range of people. Anyone involved in genealogy. Extended family members looking for potentially hereditary health issues. Especially when you consider that it is not always the next of kin who registers a death (my husband’s death was registered by my brother for example) so to keep a track on who can and can’t access the information would also be difficult. Also the fundamental information on the certificate does not belong to the next of kin, it belongs to the deceased, so it’s not your information, or in my husband’s case my information, to keep secret anyway. | |||
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"Maybe families who have loved one's past away weather be the virus or other causes surely for them weather its in the public interest...I myself rather not. confidentiality and privacy to grieve..so government not release the kind of information unless familys wish2 release sencertive information...maybe if that is the case then really requires changing...shud only be next of kin have that kind sencertive information not really for public....remember this is my opinion others maywell feel differently just think its private matter not for public domain..... Death certificates are public record so that kind of information can be collated without any contact without any contact with families Birth, death and marriage certificates are public record. Anyone can buy any certificate. How would we know how many people died from asthma or RTAs or even how many die from a pandemic (to know there is a pandemic we need to know that people are sick and dying) if that information was withheld? Someone’s cause of death isn’t sensitive information, it’s public record. Now, the question is should the likes of newspapers use that information to contact families - absolutely not. However, that misuse of it should be dealt with rather than it be withheld that is the coroner's department there ones who have frontline information on a person's death..why would you want search my mum death and searching death birth marriages unless there your next of kin what point do we want 2 be common knowledge 2 the public ...this is my opinion and not of others ... The Registrars have the access as well and collate the statistics How do you think people have been doing their family tree since the boom of that particular hobby? However, opinion isn't really relevant to the question. Death certificates are public record therefore stating that X people have had underlying conditions isn't sensitive information as it is anonymous data. I'm saying that information should not be in public domain its personal 2me what my mum past away with not for the public 2 look at ..have 2 say I'm sure you have no interest that's why said its sencertive information for me ..... I only said what I did because your first post said the information couldn’t be given; not that it shouldn’t be given. I wouldn’t have interest in your Mum specifically, but death certificates hold interest for whole range of people. Anyone involved in genealogy. Extended family members looking for potentially hereditary health issues. Especially when you consider that it is not always the next of kin who registers a death (my husband’s death was registered by my brother for example) so to keep a track on who can and can’t access the information would also be difficult. Also the fundamental information on the certificate does not belong to the next of kin, it belongs to the deceased, so it’s not your information, or in my husband’s case my information, to keep secret anyway. " sorry too hear of your loss yes error I have noticed..unfortunately for me I didn't have the opportunity my mum sister steph dad me being the eldest i have the original death certificate i am aware you can get a copy you have 2 have personal information of the person and what relationship the person is 2u and u dont which what is being relayed maybe there should be safety factor ..think few years ago I remember another person using another person's identity NI NUMBER.. | |||
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" sorry too hear of your loss yes error I have noticed..unfortunately for me I didn't have the opportunity my mum sister steph dad me being the eldest i have the original death certificate i am aware you can get a copy you have 2 have personal information of the person and what relationship the person is 2u and u dont which what is being relayed maybe there should be safety factor ..think few years ago I remember another person using another person's identity NI NUMBER.." The information you need to give is only to identify the right certificate. You can order the death certificate of an adult with their name, age and place of death - all of which most newspaper death notices contain. (Death certificates of children require a couple of other things) The asking of your relationship to the person is presumably a statistics thing as it doesn't stop you getting it if you have no relation - think of the tv show Heir Hunters for example, they order shedloads without relationships. NI numbers don't appear on death certificates so not sure how that is relevant | |||
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"There is an easy way to settle this debate. You take the mean death per day outside of hospitals pre-covid and compare it to now. Excluding the obvious like motor accidents and workplace accidents. " alternatively you follow Scotland and record ALL deaths where coronavirus is written on death certificate whether in hospital or outside within nursing homes | |||
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"As the subject implys I wish the government would be honest with the public. When they say how many people are dying each day say how many people have had underlieing problems that may have contributed to their deaths and their ages. Because at the moment we just get told ex amount of people have died from the virus which to me implys they are dieing solely from the virus " The last honest person who went into the house of commons, was guy fawkes. | |||
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"As the subject implys I wish the government would be honest with the public. When they say how many people are dying each day say how many people have had underlieing problems that may have contributed to their deaths and their ages. Because at the moment we just get told ex amount of people have died from the virus which to me implys they are dieing solely from the virus The last honest person who went into the house of commons, was guy fawkes." No he was not Guy Fawkes was as bad as the ret  | |||
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"You need to ask the question...the people that die today, would they have died anyway today, or did Covid cause their death today. Regardless of underlying conditions and age. If the answer is they would not have died of their underlying condition today, then Covid is their cause of death. In fact, you are right...the figures are wrong. They are actually higher as they only include those who died in hospital, not the folk who died at home and in nursing homes as a result of Covid " Scottish figures include those who died outwith hospital where Covid-19 was judged to be the causative factor, tested or not, as listed on death certificate. Note also, dying with corona virus is not the same as dying from corona virus. | |||
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"I agree totally ive always said something dont add up with numbers Its seems like a load of people dying its because weve never looked or been told how many die everyday this is what i found out Death jan-mar 2018. 164.560 Death jan-mar 2019. 143.652 Death jan-mar 2020. 138.913 So my point being unless you know how many people die anyway ul not have anythimg to work towards I do believe in covit 19 just think their something bigger going on " Maybe less people are dying because less people are on the roads less people are spreading regular flu and other diseases. Less people are dying of other misadventure. Doesn't seem massively weird to me. Plus three years isn't enough data to identify a trend. | |||
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"You need to ask the question...the people that die today, would they have died anyway today, or did Covid cause their death today. Regardless of underlying conditions and age. If the answer is they would not have died of their underlying condition today, then Covid is their cause of death. In fact, you are right...the figures are wrong. They are actually higher as they only include those who died in hospital, not the folk who died at home and in nursing homes as a result of Covid " That is right the figures are all wrong, the true number of deaths just from the virus is alot lower. I have heard that those who dies normally some of them are still labbeled with the virus. | |||
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