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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Is it a game we play, where there are winners and losers and one has bragging rights when one's team wins?

Or is it a job? A job of running a country. A job where the employer is the electorate? Because then, like any job, one is subject to performance review. Surely any shortcomings are just areas of improvement where we can do better?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's the finishing school after Eton

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's the finishing school after Eton "

I thought that was Oxford University...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

If your job was that of a surgeon and your decisions caused unnecessary deaths would it be ok just as long as you were doing the best you can?

If you were a car mechanic and many of your customers died because of faulty workmanship would that be ok, just so as you were trying your best?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's the finishing school after Eton

I thought that was Oxford University..."

Could be right .. but it does seem as part of the journey to become a politician now as the grass roots dennis skinners seem to be gone. Now it's more like a planned path from a very early age to become a politician.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with this but if as you say the electorate are the employers, then the performance review would be the election? And people made it clear that they’re in support of more of the same I think.

Idk, what do you think?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's the finishing school after Eton

I thought that was Oxford University...

Could be right .. but it does seem as part of the journey to become a politician now as the grass roots dennis skinners seem to be gone. Now it's more like a planned path from a very early age to become a politician."

Have you watched ‘the politician’ on Netflix? Although American I think it’s a good commentary on the journey to politician and it is also quite funny

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

No idea but perhaps it belongs in the politics forum?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"No idea but perhaps it belongs in the politics forum? "

Unless the performance review is on how well the new employee has handled the COVID-19 pandemic. Then it's about the virus.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I agree with this but if as you say the electorate are the employers, then the performance review would be the election? And people made it clear that they’re in support of more of the same I think.

Idk, what do you think? "

I think a lot of those employers won't be around for the next election because the employee they put their faith in put them in an early grave.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The reason I started this thread is because people who are critical of the way the government handled the COVID-19 crisis are accused of having a political agenda.

The way I see it, being PM is just a job. You do it well or you do it poorly. The litmus test for that in this instance is the deaths per million.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks


"I agree with this but if as you say the electorate are the employers, then the performance review would be the election? And people made it clear that they’re in support of more of the same I think.

Idk, what do you think?

I think a lot of those employers won't be around for the next election because the employee they put their faith in put them in an early grave."

Employees putting their Employers in early graves why?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I agree with this but if as you say the electorate are the employers, then the performance review would be the election? And people made it clear that they’re in support of more of the same I think.

Idk, what do you think?

I think a lot of those employers won't be around for the next election because the employee they put their faith in put them in an early grave.

Employees putting their Employers in early graves why? "

Because the employee sees those employers as non productive members of society who pose a drain on resources otherwise needed to make themselves shine in this new job. The employee can now stand back and say it wasn't me. It's not my fault! It was circumstances beyond my control!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"The reason I started this thread is because people who are critical of the way the government handled the COVID-19 crisis are accused of having a political agenda.

The way I see it, being PM is just a job. You do it well or you do it poorly. The litmus test for that in this instance is the deaths per million. "

Bringing politics into it..is often bandied around when the whole response to the situation is mired in politics

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"I agree with this but if as you say the electorate are the employers, then the performance review would be the election? And people made it clear that they’re in support of more of the same I think.

Idk, what do you think?

I think a lot of those employers won't be around for the next election because the employee they put their faith in put them in an early grave.

Employees putting their Employers in early graves why? "

There is a conspiracy theory about it..that's s bit far fetched tbh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree with this but if as you say the electorate are the employers, then the performance review would be the election? And people made it clear that they’re in support of more of the same I think.

Idk, what do you think?

I think a lot of those employers won't be around for the next election because the employee they put their faith in put them in an early grave."

Who knows. I do know though, that this country is more Tory than we think and I don’t think it’s a generational thing. When we step out of our echo chambers, it’s a tough reality

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I agree with this but if as you say the electorate are the employers, then the performance review would be the election? And people made it clear that they’re in support of more of the same I think.

Idk, what do you think?

I think a lot of those employers won't be around for the next election because the employee they put their faith in put them in an early grave.

Employees putting their Employers in early graves why?

There is a conspiracy theory about it..that's s bit far fetched tbh"

It is hard to explain the government plan.

We knew at the outset that the herd immunity strategy would have an enormous casualty component. But we went ahead anyway.

People are saying "they didn't" know. But that's not true they DID know.

What would be more accurate is to say that what is happening now is something that was predictable considering there are computer generated simulations of disease spread, they knew the numbers, they knew the state of NHS preparedness, they knew we were woefully behind on testing.

There were no surprises no unknowns.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr


"Surely any shortcomings are just areas of improvement where we can do better?"

Well, quite. But if the electorate don't want improvement - and many of them don't, they like things just the way they are - nothing's going to improve.

Anyway, fucked up as politics clearly is - all around the world - it's better than a theocracy or anarchy.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Is it a game we play, where there are winners and losers and one has bragging rights when one's team wins?

Or is it a job? A job of running a country. A job where the employer is the electorate? Because then, like any job, one is subject to performance review. Surely any shortcomings are just areas of improvement where we can do better?"

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Surely any shortcomings are just areas of improvement where we can do better?

Well, quite. But if the electorate don't want improvement - and many of them don't, they like things just the way they are - nothing's going to improve.

Anyway, fucked up as politics clearly is - all around the world - it's better than a theocracy or anarchy."

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I agree with this but if as you say the electorate are the employers, then the performance review would be the election? And people made it clear that they’re in support of more of the same I think.

Idk, what do you think?

I think a lot of those employers won't be around for the next election because the employee they put their faith in put them in an early grave.

Who knows. I do know though, that this country is more Tory than we think and I don’t think it’s a generational thing. When we step out of our echo chambers, it’s a tough reality "

I think you are very right.

When the news came through of the Brexit result I was sitting in a brasserie in Milton Park surrounded by millennials who were literally in tears over it. They saw it as their futures being taken away from them.

By contrast many people who voted Brexit and thereafter Tory based on the Brexit ticket Johnson rode on, tended statistically to be the baby boomers and older. The same people who are under the cosh with COVID-19.

My understanding of this election was that it was won because of people who did not vote at all.

Personally I am better off under a conservative government. Yet I travelled 70 miles to cast a vote against my own interest to help a demographic I thought needed relief. Only to find out post election that less than 3% of people in that area voted. Lesson Learned I won't be doing that again.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Surely any shortcomings are just areas of improvement where we can do better?

Well, quite. But if the electorate don't want improvement - and many of them don't, they like things just the way they are - nothing's going to improve.

Anyway, fucked up as politics clearly is - all around the world - it's better than a theocracy or anarchy."

Politics is not a word that can be used interchangeably with the word democracy.

Politics is a concept that manifests itself wherever there is power. Be it office policy or church politics or big brother on TV.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Regarding politics, the aged and the consequences.... it is all summed up by the 80s song "Happy People "

He who shouts the loudest is the one who's in control

We who never listen are the ones who pay the toll

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Here in lies the problem:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/uk-could-have-europes-worst-coronavirus-death-rate-says-pandemic-expert

France has recorded a daily death toll of more than 1,000 but unlike the UK it counts mortality in care homes as well as hospitals in its daily figures.

He held up Germany as an example of a country with a lower death rate that had “very early on introduced testing on a scale that was remarkable and continued to do that and isolate individuals and look after those who got very sick”.

“By isolating those that were positive it meant they weren’t able to infect other people,” he said. There were undoubtedly lessons to learn from that, he added.

With the UK considering possible ways out of its lockdown, Farrar said testing in the community had been a way for Germany to buy time to deal with the crisis. It had given it an additional six to eight weeks to ensure health systems were up to capacity, he said."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree with this but if as you say the electorate are the employers, then the performance review would be the election? And people made it clear that they’re in support of more of the same I think.

Idk, what do you think? "

This would be true if there was no propaganda or bias media.

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