FabSwingers.com forum: Im Proud of the UK

By *uckymoo OP Man
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

We do great things.

I feel lucky to be a UK Citizen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are lucky, one of the best country's to live in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's specifically got you guys in a nationalistic mood this evening?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Yes we are lucky so many do not appreciate what a great country it is.

Yes there is loads wrong but there is a lot more right than other countries of the world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I feel lucky to live in the UK everyday.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I love this Country that’s why I came here. The UK is held in high esteem around the world.

Be proud of this great Country.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I think the problem with patriotism is it can often spill over into xenophobia

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By *ichiebigMan
over a year ago

nenagh

People should always be proud of there country, the problems start when the inhabitants of one country start to believe that their country is far superior to other countries, and that they are entitled to impose there values and beliefs on other, always, smaller countries

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"I think the problem with patriotism is it can often spill over into xenophobia"
Yeah lots of people would like everyone to believe that.You can be a patriot without hating other nations just because a few don't does not mean its the norm for people proud of their country.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I think the problem with patriotism is it can often spill over into xenophobiaYeah lots of people would like everyone to believe that.You can be a patriot without hating other nations just because a few don't does not mean its the norm for people proud of their country."

Course you can

But it can often spill over...saw that with Brexit.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Course you can

But it can often spill over...saw that with Brexit."
Just because people wanted to leave the eu it does not make them xenophobic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For sure. There is a healthy correlation though.

There seems to be some none specific patriotic people around though. Just stating it's great here. But no details of which bits about the UK they're proud of or what they're doing to contribute.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

For sure. There is a healthy correlation though.

There seems to be some none specific patriotic people around though. Just stating it's great here. But no details of which bits about the UK they're proud of or what they're doing to contribute. "
Mate if you cant feel a sense of pride the way the country as a whole is handling this exceptional situation i feel sorry for you.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Course you can

But it can often spill over...saw that with Brexit.Just because people wanted to leave the eu it does not make them xenophobic. "

Surely you must be aware of some of the imflatory rhetoric that was used?not to mention the whole immigration issue.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

For sure. There is a healthy correlation though.

There seems to be some none specific patriotic people around though. Just stating it's great here. But no details of which bits about the UK they're proud of or what they're doing to contribute. Mate if you cant feel a sense of pride the way the country as a whole is handling this exceptional situation i feel sorry for you."

Some people have been unsung heroes

Some people have been utter cunts.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Course you can

But it can often spill over...saw that with Brexit.Just because people wanted to leave the eu it does not make them xenophobic.

Surely you must be aware of some of the imflatory rhetoric that was used?not to mention the whole immigration issue."
As i said before a few does not mean the majority if that was the case i could say everyone who voted labour hates jews and i know thats not the case.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

For sure. There is a healthy correlation though.

There seems to be some none specific patriotic people around though. Just stating it's great here. But no details of which bits about the UK they're proud of or what they're doing to contribute. Mate if you cant feel a sense of pride the way the country as a whole is handling this exceptional situation i feel sorry for you.

Some people have been unsung heroes

Some people have been utter cunts."
yeah well i can tell by just a few posts you are always looking at the minority and not the majority i prefer to see the good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For sure. There is a healthy correlation though.

There seems to be some none specific patriotic people around though. Just stating it's great here. But no details of which bits about the UK they're proud of or what they're doing to contribute. Mate if you cant feel a sense of pride the way the country as a whole is handling this exceptional situation i feel sorry for you."

I said nothing of the sort. I was merely asking the people posting that they're proud of the UK. What specifically they were proud of. All seems a bit vague so far.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For sure. There is a healthy correlation though.

There seems to be some none specific patriotic people around though. Just stating it's great here. But no details of which bits about the UK they're proud of or what they're doing to contribute. Mate if you cant feel a sense of pride the way the country as a whole is handling this exceptional situation i feel sorry for you.

Some people have been unsung heroes

Some people have been utter cunts.yeah well i can tell by just a few posts you are always looking at the minority and not the majority i prefer to see the good."

Since where do you prefer to "see the good"? You mainly come here to slag off anyone who doesn't worship the Tories, anyone who dares to speak out or express dissent of any kind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What makes this country great for me? Just some of them are; the people, the freedoms we enjoy, the healthcare, support structures, ability to suceed no matter what your back ground, education, tolerance, history, medicines, police, armed forces, political system, law and order, countyside, great cities, architecture, Arsenal, entrepreneurial opportunities, the fact so many want to live here and look at our establishment as the benchmark. In fact there are far too many reasons to list.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

For sure. There is a healthy correlation though.

There seems to be some none specific patriotic people around though. Just stating it's great here. But no details of which bits about the UK they're proud of or what they're doing to contribute. Mate if you cant feel a sense of pride the way the country as a whole is handling this exceptional situation i feel sorry for you.

Some people have been unsung heroes

Some people have been utter cunts.yeah well i can tell by just a few posts you are always looking at the minority and not the majority i prefer to see the good."

Nothing like making blind assumptions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What makes this country great for me? Just some of them are; the people, the freedoms we enjoy, the healthcare, support structures, ability to suceed no matter what your back ground, education, tolerance, history, medicines, police, armed forces, political system, law and order, countyside, great cities, architecture, Arsenal, entrepreneurial opportunities, the fact so many want to live here and look at our establishment as the benchmark. In fact there are far too many reasons to list."

Thank you. That's what I was asking.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

NHS,democracy,free speech,,tolerance to a degree..pubs.education..nice places to visit..tea.

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By *aidForSharingWoman
over a year ago

Lancashire

I always took 'British tolerance' to mean 'tolerating' immigrants - but now I think it means how tolerant the government and police are with miscreants, in view of how lenient our lockdown measures are compared with our countries.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I always took 'British tolerance' to mean 'tolerating' immigrants - but now I think it means how tolerant the government and police are with miscreants, in view of how lenient our lockdown measures are compared with our countries."

Makes note to use the word miscreant more often

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the problem with patriotism is it can often spill over into xenophobia"

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Absolute bull*hit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For sure. There is a healthy correlation though.

There seems to be some none specific patriotic people around though. Just stating it's great here. But no details of which bits about the UK they're proud of or what they're doing to contribute. Mate if you cant feel a sense of pride the way the country as a whole is handling this exceptional situation i feel sorry for you.

Some people have been unsung heroes

Some people have been utter cunts.yeah well i can tell by just a few posts you are always looking at the minority and not the majority i prefer to see the good.

Since where do you prefer to "see the good"? You mainly come here to slag off anyone who doesn't worship the Tories, anyone who dares to speak out or express dissent of any kind. "

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And what do YOU do...?!

Hypocrite.

Grow up and read what ya print.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Patriotism is last refuge of the scoundrel..... Brexit proved that beyond all doubt.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’d say we are safer to live in the UK, however there idiots who attempt to ruin this country with their stupidity. They know who they are!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For sure. There is a healthy correlation though.

There seems to be some none specific patriotic people around though. Just stating it's great here. But no details of which bits about the UK they're proud of or what they're doing to contribute. Mate if you cant feel a sense of pride the way the country as a whole is handling this exceptional situation i feel sorry for you.

Some people have been unsung heroes

Some people have been utter cunts.yeah well i can tell by just a few posts you are always looking at the minority and not the majority i prefer to see the good.

Since where do you prefer to "see the good"? You mainly come here to slag off anyone who doesn't worship the Tories, anyone who dares to speak out or express dissent of any kind.

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And what do YOU do...?!

Hypocrite.

Grow up and read what ya print.

Hi Eva, how are you doing?

I post my points of view on the performance of the government. And other such things.

I don't remember ever attacking anyone for expressing dissent.

I do notice that you reply to my posts consistently throwing insults, so I always invite you to make a point. Which you rarely do.

Hope you're well

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

Another post turned sour due to the usual suspects

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Since where do you prefer to "see the good"? You mainly come here to slag off anyone who doesn't worship the Tories, anyone who dares to speak out or express dissent of any kind.

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And what do YOU do...?!

Hypocrite.

Grow up and read what ya print.

Hi Eva, how are you doing?

I post my points of view on the performance of the government. And other such things.

I don't remember ever attacking anyone for expressing dissent.

I do notice that you reply to my posts consistently throwing insults, so I always invite you to make a point. Which you rarely do.

Hope you're well"

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I absolutely refuse to engage in some half-baked 'debate' with anyone who, in the face of this current current crisis, still feels it's right and proper to constantly attack, scourn and deride ANY government doing it's level best under the circumstances.

Also, anyone who thinks being proud of our magnificent country and ALL it's peoples of ANY...... sex, creed, colour, etc., etc...., is anything even remotely 'xenophobic' is, in my opinion, extremely short-sighted at the least.

I know what I am, I have been honest and truthful for ALL of my adult life, I have NO secrets about my life as Derek or Eva.

I know there are two and ONLY two kinds of people on Mother Earth.

Good and bad.

(Incidentally, I cannot accuse anyone I do not know personally on this site of being the latter, I know only good people)

Also, I am well aware of just how fortunate I was to have been born in this country and not some brutal, corrupt regime, ruling it's poor citizens with REAL terror.

Now, this indeed is my last ever comment in this political section of the forums, I have not the time nor the inclination to engage with anyone in cyberspace, I much prefer a real debate in real surroundings with real adversaries.

Finally, sincere best wishes and Love to ALL (the good) people everywhere, please stay safe.

Eva XXX

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The suggestion that the UK government should not be scrutinised during a time of crisis is ludicrous. It's even more important that they're made to make the best decisions in the interests of the country.

Can't for the life of me understand why anyone wouldn't want that.

All the things that have been mentioned as things to be proud of in the UK have been fought for, and battled for over years and years, some people have died for these causes.

Again, the suggestion that we should stop trying to work for a better UK now, seems silly to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Since where do you prefer to "see the good"? You mainly come here to slag off anyone who doesn't worship the Tories, anyone who dares to speak out or express dissent of any kind.

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And what do YOU do...?!

Hypocrite.

Grow up and read what ya print.

Hi Eva, how are you doing?

I post my points of view on the performance of the government. And other such things.

I don't remember ever attacking anyone for expressing dissent.

I do notice that you reply to my posts consistently throwing insults, so I always invite you to make a point. Which you rarely do.

Hope you're well

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I know what I am, I have been honest and truthful for ALL of my adult life, I have NO secrets about my life as Derek or Eva.

I know there are two and ONLY two kinds of people on Mother Earth.

Good and bad.

(Incidentally, I cannot accuse anyone I do not know personally on this site of being the latter, I know only good people)

Also, I am well aware of just how fortunate I was to have been born in this country and not some brutal, corrupt regime, ruling it's poor citizens with REAL terror.

Finally, sincere best wishes and Love to ALL (the good) people everywhere, please stay safe.

Eva XXX

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I think the problem with patriotism is it can often spill over into xenophobia

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Absolute bull*hit."

Prove me wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The suggestion that the UK government should not be scrutinised during a time of crisis is ludicrous. It's even more important that they're made to make the best decisions in the interests of the country.

Can't for the life of me understand why anyone wouldn't want that.

All the things that have been mentioned as things to be proud of in the UK have been fought for, and battled for over years and years, some people have died for these causes.

Again, the suggestion that we should stop trying to work for a better UK now, seems silly to me."

I agree.

I love this country, and it’s a great one for the most part.

However people should also be free to comment, or criticise properly if they feel the need to. No country or government is perfect.

I remember I was telling my experience online of racism I had experienced in the U.K. even though I was born here and I was told “Shut up and deal with it this country is more tolerant than others you should be grateful”

That’s not the right attitude to have! You can love a country and criticise it if you feel it’s not doing it’s best.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't for the life of me understand why anyone wouldn't want that.

All the things that have been mentioned as things to be proud of in the UK have been fought for, and battled for over years and years, some people have died for these causes.

Again, the suggestion that we should stop trying to work for a better UK now, seems silly to me.

I agree.

I love this country, and it’s a great one for the most part.

However people should also be free to comment, or criticise properly if they feel the need to. No country or government is perfect.

That’s not the right attitude to have! You can love a country and criticise it if you feel it’s not doing it’s best."

It's not the right attitude at all. Surely if you love your country and the people, you want to do everything you can to make sure its the best country it can be. That's more patriotic than just saying it's the best country, and then shooting down anyone who speaks up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Patriots are willing to subjugate themselves for the good of the nation.

I love some things about my country and I hate others but on the whole I consider myself a citizen of the United Kingdom with all the benefits that come from the good quality of life I have here. I loathe and detest the idiots who think that wrapping yourself up in the flag of St George means they have more right to be in this land than those who question authority and stick up for their fellow human beings and the rule of law. Cheap rabble rousers who thrive on using ignorance as a tool for their pursuit of power are not the kind of people I would call decent honest and true.

Just saying

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

Course you can

But it can often spill over...saw that with Brexit.Just because people wanted to leave the eu it does not make them xenophobic. "
aw it does to some loonies on here lol

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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

The UK isn't doing any better than any other western countries and I think it's bit too early to sing any praise.

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

Can't for the life of me understand why anyone wouldn't want that.

All the things that have been mentioned as things to be proud of in the UK have been fought for, and battled for over years and years, some people have died for these causes.

Again, the suggestion that we should stop trying to work for a better UK now, seems silly to me.

I agree.

I love this country, and it’s a great one for the most part.

However people should also be free to comment, or criticise properly if they feel the need to. No country or government is perfect.

That’s not the right attitude to have! You can love a country and criticise it if you feel it’s not doing it’s best."

100% this!

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

The cheapest sort of pride is national pride; for if a man is proud of his own nation, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellowmen. The man who is endowed with important personal qualities will be only too ready to see clearly in what respects his own nation falls short, since their failings will be constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority

Arthur Schopenhauer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When you see something wrong we want to fix it right ?

everyone here gives a damn about our country. Therefore when we complain about things not going right It’s only because we care.

Patriotism is about asking the hard questions, not burying you head in the sand and pretending nothing is wrong. We as citizens have to keep our leaders Open and honest. It’s called reciprocal democracy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When you see something wrong we want to fix it right ?

everyone here gives a damn about our country. Therefore when we complain about things not going right It’s only because we care.

I completely agree.

However it seems a lot of people think patriotism means - attacking and insulting anyone who wants to be critical of the government or who express dissent in any way. IE the type of people through history who have brought about most of the changes that are the good stuff about this country.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"We do great things.

I feel lucky to be a UK Citizen.

We do great things.

We do terrible things.

I sometimes feel lucky to be a UK citizen.

I sometimes feel ashamed to be a UK citizen.

I can see the good that we do.

I can see the bad that we do.

Both are possible. If you are unable to be self-critical then you are unable to improve either yourself or your country.

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By *uckymoo OP Man
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"We do great things.

I feel lucky to be a UK Citizen.

We do great things.

We do terrible things.

I sometimes feel lucky to be a UK citizen.

I sometimes feel ashamed to be a UK citizen.

I can see the good that we do.

I can see the bad that we do.

Both are possible. If you are unable to be self-critical then you are unable to improve either yourself or your country."

Can you expand on what makes you ashamed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The cheapest sort of pride is national pride; for if a man is proud of his own nation, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellowmen. The man who is endowed with important personal qualities will be only too ready to see clearly in what respects his own nation falls short, since their failings will be constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority

Arthur Schopenhauer"

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

"When you see something wrong we want to fix it right ?

everyone here gives a damn about our country. Therefore when we complain about things not going right It’s only because we care.

Exactly. If you think that our government are beyond reproach, then you are part of the problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When you see something wrong we want to fix it right ?

everyone here gives a damn about our country. Therefore when we complain about things not going right It’s only because we care.

Exactly. If you think that our government are beyond reproach, then you are part of the problem."

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"We do great things.

I feel lucky to be a UK Citizen.

We do great things.

We do terrible things.

I sometimes feel lucky to be a UK citizen.

I sometimes feel ashamed to be a UK citizen.

I can see the good that we do.

I can see the bad that we do.

Both are possible. If you are unable to be self-critical then you are unable to improve either yourself or your country.

Can you expand on what makes you ashamed?"

Easy acceptance of anyone vs rising racism

Free health and education Vs lack of good health and life chance for the poorest

Willingness to go out and help the poor in the world vs those who only want to help people like themselves

Democracy vs mindless partisanship

Fair play and meritocracy vs entitlement

Politeness vs rising incivility

Admiration for education vs anti-expert sentiment

An investigative press that will dig up hidden scandals vs a partisan dumbed down press

Efficiency planning and execution vs planning by committee

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Arthur Schopenhauer"

This is great, nationalism breeds hatred.

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By *uckymoo OP Man
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"We do great things.

I feel lucky to be a UK Citizen.

We do great things.

We do terrible things.

I sometimes feel lucky to be a UK citizen.

I sometimes feel ashamed to be a UK citizen.

I can see the good that we do.

I can see the bad that we do.

Both are possible. If you are unable to be self-critical then you are unable to improve either yourself or your country.

Can you expand on what makes you ashamed?

Easy acceptance of anyone vs rising racism

Free health and education Vs lack of good health and life chance for the poorest

Willingness to go out and help the poor in the world vs those who only want to help people like themselves

Democracy vs mindless partisanship

Fair play and meritocracy vs entitlement

Politeness vs rising incivility

Admiration for education vs anti-expert sentiment

An investigative press that will dig up hidden scandals vs a partisan dumbed down press

Efficiency planning and execution vs planning by committee"

I’d dispute many of those but, its a free country, so I respect your opinion.

thank you

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By *uckymoo OP Man
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

Arthur Schopenhauer

This is great, nationalism breeds hatred. "

I’d tell that to all our International Sports People.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Arthur Schopenhauer

This is great, nationalism breeds hatred.

I’d tell that to all our International Sports People.

Conjure up images of English football fans abroad.....

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"We do great things.

I feel lucky to be a UK Citizen.

We do great things.

We do terrible things.

I sometimes feel lucky to be a UK citizen.

I sometimes feel ashamed to be a UK citizen.

I can see the good that we do.

I can see the bad that we do.

Both are possible. If you are unable to be self-critical then you are unable to improve either yourself or your country.

Can you expand on what makes you ashamed?

Easy acceptance of anyone vs rising racism

Free health and education Vs lack of good health and life chance for the poorest

Willingness to go out and help the poor in the world vs those who only want to help people like themselves

Democracy vs mindless partisanship

Fair play and meritocracy vs entitlement

Politeness vs rising incivility

Admiration for education vs anti-expert sentiment

An investigative press that will dig up hidden scandals vs a partisan dumbed down press

Efficiency planning and execution vs planning by committee

I’d dispute many of those but, its a free country, so I respect your opinion.

thank you"

What do you dispute?

You see nothing to be ashamed of or that requires improvement in the UK or how it's governed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the problem with patriotism is it can often spill over into xenophobia

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Absolute bull*hit."

You may call it absolute bullshit but it's been very evident on these forums over the last few years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I feel torn. Now I don't know if I'm a good British or bad Pole. Or the other way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think there will be people willing to evaluate this topic.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"I think the problem with patriotism is it can often spill over into xenophobia"

Very true, just look at France.

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By *uckymoo OP Man
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"I feel torn. Now I don't know if I'm a good British or bad Pole. Or the other way

Ohhh I’d say you are true European and have definitely been a asset to the UK and a wonderful Ambassador for your Birth Nation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I feel torn. Now I don't know if I'm a good British or bad Pole. Or the other way

Ohhh I’d say you are true European and have definitely been a asset to the UK and a wonderful Ambassador for your Birth Nation.

I would say you're a lovely person who makes intelligent posts on this forum. Where you are from and what passport you carry is irrelevant in my book.

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By *uckymoo OP Man
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"We do great things.

I feel lucky to be a UK Citizen.

We do great things.

We do terrible things.

I sometimes feel lucky to be a UK citizen.

I sometimes feel ashamed to be a UK citizen.

I can see the good that we do.

I can see the bad that we do.

Both are possible. If you are unable to be self-critical then you are unable to improve either yourself or your country.

Can you expand on what makes you ashamed?

Easy acceptance of anyone vs rising racism

Free health and education Vs lack of good health and life chance for the poorest

Willingness to go out and help the poor in the world vs those who only want to help people like themselves

Democracy vs mindless partisanship

Fair play and meritocracy vs entitlement

Politeness vs rising incivility

Admiration for education vs anti-expert sentiment

An investigative press that will dig up hidden scandals vs a partisan dumbed down press

Efficiency planning and execution vs planning by committee

I’d dispute many of those but, its a free country, so I respect your opinion.

thank you

What do you dispute?

You see nothing to be ashamed of or that requires improvement in the UK or how it's governed?"

Tbh I didnt understand your point

But I would strongly dispute comments about the free press. We have a very free press and also social media with no restrictions

I would also dispute growing racism. Never in my lifetime has this country been less racist, in fact people are just british not brown, white,black, yellow, Jew, Muslim, Christian, Sikh etc.

Efficiency planning v planning by committee dont understand...

We live in a Democracy, not sure your point on this. Its not up for debate unless you are arguing for those who cannot vote?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

Arthur Schopenhauer

This is great, nationalism breeds hatred. "

That's very true, just look at Scotland.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We do great things.

I feel lucky to be a UK Citizen.

We do great things.

We do terrible things.

I sometimes feel lucky to be a UK citizen.

I sometimes feel ashamed to be a UK citizen.

I can see the good that we do.

I can see the bad that we do.

Both are possible. If you are unable to be self-critical then you are unable to improve either yourself or your country.

Can you expand on what makes you ashamed?

Easy acceptance of anyone vs rising racism

Free health and education Vs lack of good health and life chance for the poorest

Willingness to go out and help the poor in the world vs those who only want to help people like themselves

Democracy vs mindless partisanship

Fair play and meritocracy vs entitlement

Politeness vs rising incivility

Admiration for education vs anti-expert sentiment

An investigative press that will dig up hidden scandals vs a partisan dumbed down press

Efficiency planning and execution vs planning by committee

I’d dispute many of those but, its a free country, so I respect your opinion.

thank you

What do you dispute?

You see nothing to be ashamed of or that requires improvement in the UK or how it's governed?

Tbh I didnt understand your point

But I would strongly dispute comments about the free press. We have a very free press and also social media with no restrictions

I would also dispute growing racism. Never in my lifetime has this country been less racist, in fact people are just british not brown, white,black, yellow, Jew, Muslim, Christian, Sikh etc.

Efficiency planning v planning by committee dont understand...

We live in a Democracy, not sure your point on this. Its not up for debate unless you are arguing for those who cannot vote?"

Do you think we have a free press?

What are your views of Boris Johnson dismissing journalists who were critical of him and the conservative party from Number 10?

What are your views on the PM threatening channel four for their undercover reporting during yhe elections?

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By *uckymoo OP Man
over a year ago

Mid-Cheshire

"We do great things.

I feel lucky to be a UK Citizen.

We do great things.

We do terrible things.

I sometimes feel lucky to be a UK citizen.

I sometimes feel ashamed to be a UK citizen.

I can see the good that we do.

I can see the bad that we do.

Both are possible. If you are unable to be self-critical then you are unable to improve either yourself or your country.

Can you expand on what makes you ashamed?

Easy acceptance of anyone vs rising racism

Free health and education Vs lack of good health and life chance for the poorest

Willingness to go out and help the poor in the world vs those who only want to help people like themselves

Democracy vs mindless partisanship

Fair play and meritocracy vs entitlement

Politeness vs rising incivility

Admiration for education vs anti-expert sentiment

An investigative press that will dig up hidden scandals vs a partisan dumbed down press

Efficiency planning and execution vs planning by committee

I’d dispute many of those but, its a free country, so I respect your opinion.

thank you

What do you dispute?

You see nothing to be ashamed of or that requires improvement in the UK or how it's governed?

Tbh I didnt understand your point

But I would strongly dispute comments about the free press. We have a very free press and also social media with no restrictions

I would also dispute growing racism. Never in my lifetime has this country been less racist, in fact people are just british not brown, white,black, yellow, Jew, Muslim, Christian, Sikh etc.

Efficiency planning v planning by committee dont understand...

We live in a Democracy, not sure your point on this. Its not up for debate unless you are arguing for those who cannot vote?

Do you think we have a free press?

What are your views of Boris Johnson dismissing journalists who were critical of him and the conservative party from Number 10?

What are your views on the PM threatening channel four for their undercover reporting during yhe elections?"

I think they are free to write anything.

Some of it is even true!

I think they are also free to spout on twitter example Piers Morgan with his 7m followers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Arthur Schopenhauer

This is great, nationalism breeds hatred.

That's very true, just look at Scotland."

Or England.

Now you're getting it.

Did you have an epiphany?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We do great things.

I feel lucky to be a UK Citizen.

We do great things.

We do terrible things.

I sometimes feel lucky to be a UK citizen.

I sometimes feel ashamed to be a UK citizen.

I can see the good that we do.

I can see the bad that we do.

Both are possible. If you are unable to be self-critical then you are unable to improve either yourself or your country.

Can you expand on what makes you ashamed?

Easy acceptance of anyone vs rising racism

Free health and education Vs lack of good health and life chance for the poorest

Willingness to go out and help the poor in the world vs those who only want to help people like themselves

Democracy vs mindless partisanship

Fair play and meritocracy vs entitlement

Politeness vs rising incivility

Admiration for education vs anti-expert sentiment

An investigative press that will dig up hidden scandals vs a partisan dumbed down press

Efficiency planning and execution vs planning by committee

I’d dispute many of those but, its a free country, so I respect your opinion.

thank you

What do you dispute?

You see nothing to be ashamed of or that requires improvement in the UK or how it's governed?

Tbh I didnt understand your point

But I would strongly dispute comments about the free press. We have a very free press and also social media with no restrictions

I would also dispute growing racism. Never in my lifetime has this country been less racist, in fact people are just british not brown, white,black, yellow, Jew, Muslim, Christian, Sikh etc.

Efficiency planning v planning by committee dont understand...

We live in a Democracy, not sure your point on this. Its not up for debate unless you are arguing for those who cannot vote?"

Racism is on a decline in the long term. But race hate crime spiked after Brexit.

That's certainly not something I am proud of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would also dispute growing racism. Never in my lifetime has this country been less racist, in fact people are just british not brown, white,black, yellow, Jew, Muslim, Christian, Sikh etc."

Is this from personal experience or just what you believe to be the case?

My experience differs, I’ve experienced more racism since Brexit than I can remember in my lifetime. I am only 26 though, still, just expressing my opinion (no confrontation) online has caused racism towards me.

I don’t think those who voted Leave are racist, however I do think a minority used Brexit as a way to showcase their racism & still do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We do great things.

I feel lucky to be a UK Citizen.

We do great things.

We do terrible things.

I sometimes feel lucky to be a UK citizen.

I sometimes feel ashamed to be a UK citizen.

I can see the good that we do.

I can see the bad that we do.

Both are possible. If you are unable to be self-critical then you are unable to improve either yourself or your country.

Can you expand on what makes you ashamed?

Easy acceptance of anyone vs rising racism

Free health and education Vs lack of good health and life chance for the poorest

Willingness to go out and help the poor in the world vs those who only want to help people like themselves

Democracy vs mindless partisanship

Fair play and meritocracy vs entitlement

Politeness vs rising incivility

Admiration for education vs anti-expert sentiment

An investigative press that will dig up hidden scandals vs a partisan dumbed down press

Efficiency planning and execution vs planning by committee

I’d dispute many of those but, its a free country, so I respect your opinion.

thank you

What do you dispute?

You see nothing to be ashamed of or that requires improvement in the UK or how it's governed?

Tbh I didnt understand your point

But I would strongly dispute comments about the free press. We have a very free press and also social media with no restrictions

I would also dispute growing racism. Never in my lifetime has this country been less racist, in fact people are just british not brown, white,black, yellow, Jew, Muslim, Christian, Sikh etc.

Efficiency planning v planning by committee dont understand...

We live in a Democracy, not sure your point on this. Its not up for debate unless you are arguing for those who cannot vote?

Racism is on a decline in the long term. But race hate crime spiked after Brexit.

That's certainly not something I am proud of. "

Yup.

There’s actually an article about it, stating there’s been a rise.

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

I would also dispute growing racism. Never in my lifetime has this country been less racist, in fact people are just british not brown, white,black, yellow, Jew, Muslim, Christian, Sikh etc.

Is this from personal experience or just what you believe to be the case?

I don’t think those who voted Leave are racist, however I do think a minority used Brexit as a way to showcase their racism & still do. "

I don't think every brexit voter is racist but I think every racist was a brexit voter. And the rise in race related crime following brexit isn't a matter of opinion but fact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would also dispute growing racism. Never in my lifetime has this country been less racist, in fact people are just british not brown, white,black, yellow, Jew, Muslim, Christian, Sikh etc.

Is this from personal experience or just what you believe to be the case?

I don’t think those who voted Leave are racist, however I do think a minority used Brexit as a way to showcase their racism & still do.

I don't think every brexit voter is racist but I think every racist was a brexit voter. And the rise in race related crime following brexit isn't a matter of opinion but fact. "

Absolutely.

It’s quite bad online sometimes, you express your opinion in regards to politics. And you get called a “parasite” or “you’re not British, you’re an invader, you’re an african” “A dog born in a stable isn’t a horse” “go home”, just some I remember, some which are very recent!

This is usually unprovoked and from faceless accounts who follow nationalists or people like Mark Collett.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would also dispute growing racism. Never in my lifetime has this country been less racist, in fact people are just british not brown, white,black, yellow, Jew, Muslim, Christian, Sikh etc.

Is this from personal experience or just what you believe to be the case?

I don’t think those who voted Leave are racist, however I do think a minority used Brexit as a way to showcase their racism & still do.

I don't think every brexit voter is racist but I think every racist was a brexit voter. And the rise in race related crime following brexit isn't a matter of opinion but fact. "

I think it's a mistake to link racism too closely to Brexit.

Sure, racism and xenophobia were used heavily during the campaign to promote the leave vote. But racism has nothing to do with the actual purpose of Brexit.

I don't think it caused people to become more racist. But it certainly empowered already racist people enough so they felt more comfortable expressing their views in public.

In any case, both the separate entities of Brexit and of the increase in race hate crime are good examples of specific things to not be proud of about modern UK life.

There are plenty of other things that are fantastic about this country. The civil rights we have, the education system, the public rights of way in the countryside, NHS. But even these aren't perfect and if we don't fight to keep and improve them. They will be lost.

Being generically "proud of the UK". Is meaningless if you don't qualify what's good, acknowledge that there are still things to work on, and to try to contribute in whatever way you can to make this country even better.