FabSwingers.com forum: So Starmer gets it

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

At least I think the Labour Party have a future under the leadership of Sir K Starmer.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Yes at least i can bear listening to him rlb,s voice grates on me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I could see myself being able to vote for him unlike the rest

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Boris a minute after the result has issued a letter inviting the opposition to join them in talks on tackling the current situation,a right final kick in the nuts for outgoing corbyn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He has promised to tackle anti-semitism "root and branch". Does that mean kicking out 'momentum'? as that seems to be where the problem lies deepest. Good luck with that one but hope for the sake of the party that he can.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like him and it is a good choice they made there

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

So much for getting away from a London based Labour leader!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's face anyone is an improvement on the last one, a monkey in a hat would have done better at the despatch box.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Bugger had a fiver on Wrong Bailey.

Happy with the choice. They can now draw a line under the Jezza experiment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like him and it is a good choice they made there

I agree, he was by far the best candidate, he got my vote

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like him and it is a good choice they made there

I agree, he was by far the best candidate, he got my vote "
Mine too they need to more to the centre left as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like him and it is a good choice they made there

I agree, he was by far the best candidate, he got my vote Mine too they need to more to the centre left as well."

Yep, and I think Starmer will go that way .

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

for the moment Starmer has to work with Boris in sorting out virus,this is a time for unity not political dogma.I believe Starmer is up to this task more than the hopeless university lecturer that was to blind to see who has destroyed the labour party for now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let's face anyone is an improvement on the last one, a monkey in a hat would have done better at the despatch box."

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Eh..?!

I thought he was a jurassic monkey with crooked spectacles..!!

MY opinion, as per.

Eva

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"So much for getting away from a London based Labour leader!"
feel the same that’s why I wanted nandy to get it

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

Not wowed by the appointment but definitely supportive of it. Just hope that we don't have too much a shift back to the centre.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

I’m hopeing for a shift back to the center labour have been to far to the left to of ever stood a chance of winning an election and good riddance to thornberry and Abbott

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

"I’m hopeing for a shift back to the center labour have been to far to the left to of ever stood a chance of winning an election and good riddance to thornberry and Abbott "

The problem with centrist politics is acting like you care yet shafting the public in the fine print. It's that grey area that Tories love.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m hopeing for a shift back to the center labour have been to far to the left to of ever stood a chance of winning an election and good riddance to thornberry and Abbott "

They might stand more chance of winning an election. But then they won't have any interesting ideas and nothing will change. Just like New Labour under Blair. They were so shit they were basically Tories.

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

I get what yr saying but no point in an opposition which never stands a chance of been in power

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I get what yr saying but no point in an opposition which never stands a chance of been in power "

Also fair point. But that leaves me with two rhetorical questions.

What are people who want real change to do, but to vote for smaller parties. I know this does have an impact. IE in recent times UKIP pulled the Tories further to the right. But we're not talking about any of the smaller parties getting close to power.

Why are so many people happy with their lot in life and not willing to vote for anything but the status quo. IE the two main parties.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

A good old Tory boy in charge ..

Welcome sir Billy big bollocks....

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

"I get what yr saying but no point in an opposition which never stands a chance of been in power

Also fair point. But that leaves me with two rhetorical questions.

Why are so many people happy with their lot in life and not willing to vote for anything but the status quo. IE the two main parties."
me personally I would rather vote for a party with a chance in the race other wise to me it’s a waseted vote and the smaller parties don’t appeal to me iv always voted labour only once changed and that was because of brexit I’m just glad Corbyn as gone maybe able to think about labour again would of preferred nandy tho sick to death of London boys running the country lol

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By *anxmann55Man
over a year ago

Douglas Isle of man.......

Kier starmier he want stay in European union.people put stop that and voted out evan Labour heartlands ...it will take years before Kier will ever have asniff of power watch Labour vote for new leader again there in sush a mess of there own doing ...Lisa Nandy Lady from the North would have a better opportunity Labour member self interest and vote for a woman I actually think Lisa would win ...I am a Tory threw and threw ...I Al's believe Margaret Thatcher had she not been stabbed in the back she would of clearly gone on for couple more terms ....my opinion u may agree or disagree that the beaughty of free speech .....

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By *anxmann55Man
over a year ago

Douglas Isle of man.......

apologies some words spelt incorrectly think you get the gist..

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By *oxychick35Couple
over a year ago

thornaby

I get ya gist lol I was woth you there until you mentioned thatcher lol

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By *ess n BenCouple
over a year ago

Didcot

As said earlier in the thread a Tory in charge of labour

What will the ex labour heart lands of the north think of a sir leading what was a working mans and woman’s party and a London boy to boot

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By *anxmann55Man
over a year ago

Douglas Isle of man.......

Lol..Margaret have none this messing with European union this Lady is not for turning ...not what your country do for u its deffinatly what you can do for your country ...idident like blair ...only Lady I admired in Labour is Margaret Becket talks sence have you noticed what I did there lol Margaret Becket awoman Labour just believe awoman will get Labour back in power Lisa Nandy if I was red I vote for her talks sence staminer no way .....

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By *anxmann55Man
over a year ago

Douglas Isle of man.......

"As said earlier in the thread a Tory in charge of labour

What will the ex labour heart lands of the north think of a sir leading what was a working mans and woman’s party and a London boy to boot"
he has along struggle because Corbyn said he will speake from back benches he will be a thorn in kier side Corbyn was a brexiteer he wasent given free speech he want out still .....we haven't heard the last of him ...remember was the back bencher who brought down May so they have alot of power ....Corbyn has alot of supporter within Labour again you maywell have a different opinion on the matter time will tell....

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By *anxmann55Man
over a year ago

Douglas Isle of man.......

Margaret Thatcher inspired me I remember strikes bringing the country too its knees...country required change country voted for Margaret Thatcher true blue like me ....

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By *hybloke67Man
over a year ago

ROMFORD

"As said earlier in the thread a Tory in charge of labour

What will the ex labour heart lands of the north think of a sir leading what was a working mans and woman’s party and a London boy to boot"

I was thinking the same thing when I heard he has won.

But then I found out that Clement Attlee was actually an Earl.!

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"Margaret Thatcher inspired me I remember strikes bringing the country too its knees...country required change country voted for Margaret Thatcher true blue like me ....

Brave thing to say in these parts

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"As said earlier in the thread a Tory in charge of labour

What will the ex labour heart lands of the north think of a sir leading what was a working mans and woman’s party and a London boy to boothe has along struggle because Corbyn said he will speake from back benches he will be a thorn in kier side Corbyn was a brexiteer he wasent given free speech he want out still .....we haven't heard the last of him ...remember was the back bencher who brought down May so they have alot of power ....Corbyn has alot of supporter within Labour again you maywell have a different opinion on the matter time will tell...."

And Jeremy Corbyn has a history of doing his own thing from the back benches.

Let's see what the Shadow Front Bench looks like come Monday.

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By *anxmann55Man
over a year ago

Douglas Isle of man.......

"As said earlier in the thread a Tory in charge of labour

What will the ex labour heart lands of the north think of a sir leading what was a working mans and woman’s party and a London boy to boot

I was thinking the same thing when I heard he has won.another reason why people voted Tory people see them working for the working class who are great islands 4nations dosent include isle of man we are Independent isle....

But then I found out that Clement Attlee was actually an Earl.!"

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By *anxmann55Man
over a year ago

Douglas Isle of man.......

"Margaret Thatcher inspired me I remember strikes bringing the country too its knees...country required change country voted for Margaret Thatcher true blue like me ....

Brave thing to say in these parts

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proberbly or maybe not you have a conservative mayor in Birmingham been many times great night out .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Margaret Thatcher inspired me I remember strikes bringing the country too its knees...country required change country voted for Margaret Thatcher true blue like me ....

Brave thing to say in these parts

Why? It's right wing HQ down here, this punter will fit in well.

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By *anxmann55Man
over a year ago

Douglas Isle of man.......

"As said earlier in the thread a Tory in charge of labour

What will the ex labour heart lands of the north think of a sir leading what was a working mans and woman’s party and a London boy to boothe has along struggle because Corbyn said he will speake from back benches he will be a thorn in kier side Corbyn was a ...brexiteer he wasent given free speech he want out still .....we haven't heard the last of him ...remember was the back bencher who brought down May so they have alot of power ....Corbyn has alot of supporter within Labour again you maywell have a different opinion on the matter time will tell....

And Jeremy Corbyn has a history of doing his own thing from the back benches.

Let's see what the Shadow Front Bench looks like come Monday. "
well if you remember when Labour hopefuls had there debate on what they would do change things kier did say 2 the other 2 ladys if I win would u2 be prepared too work with him too change Labour they both said yes so I think kier will have them on front bench with Angler Ranier.....if he dosen't keep too what he offered then you cannot trust him and here we go again lol...

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By *anxmann55Man
over a year ago

Douglas Isle of man.......

"Margaret Thatcher inspired me I remember strikes bringing the country too its knees...country required change country voted for Margaret Thatcher true blue like me ....

Brave thing to say in these parts

Why? It's right wing HQ down here, this punter will fit in well."
absolutely that's why Lisa Nandy have the greatest chance of forming a government waiting for power also think Lisa have great chance next general election 4half years time kier no chance .....please please keep him there so conservatives will win out right again .....o and I'm an Everton fan true Blue runs threw my veins ....

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By *anxmann55Man
over a year ago

Douglas Isle of man.......

Going for a cuppa folks be good be safe and clunk click trap every dick .....

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Margaret Thatcher inspired me I remember strikes bringing the country too its knees...country required change country voted for Margaret Thatcher true blue like me ....

Brave thing to say in these parts

Why? It's right wing HQ down here, this punter will fit in well.absolutely that's why Lisa Nandy have the greatest chance of forming a government waiting for power also think Lisa have great chance next general election 4half years time kier no chance .....please please keep him there so conservatives will win out right again .....o and I'm an Everton fan true Blue runs threw my veins ...."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Margaret Thatcher inspired me I remember strikes bringing the country too its knees...country required change country voted for Margaret Thatcher true blue like me ....

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Very well said in my opinion.

Thank you.

Eva

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I’m hopeing for a shift back to the center labour have been to far to the left to of ever stood a chance of winning an election and good riddance to thornberry and Abbott

I think the general election results would disagree with you on that one lol

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

"I’m hopeing for a shift back to the center labour have been to far to the left to of ever stood a chance of winning an election and good riddance to thornberry and Abbott

I think the general election results would disagree with you on that one lol"

That's why we have such an uneven country: we obsess about power but not about strengthening the country in general and encouraging the growth of our people. What's the point in winning when nothing actually changes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m hopeing for a shift back to the center labour have been to far to the left to of ever stood a chance of winning an election and good riddance to thornberry and Abbott

I think the general election results would disagree with you on that one lol"

What does that tell you about the electorate?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m hopeing for a shift back to the center labour have been to far to the left to of ever stood a chance of winning an election and good riddance to thornberry and Abbott

I think the general election results would disagree with you on that one lol

I agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m hopeing for a shift back to the center labour have been to far to the left to of ever stood a chance of winning an election and good riddance to thornberry and Abbott

I think the general election results would disagree with you on that one lol

What does that tell you about the electorate? "

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So, you are more knowledgable than all those voters who delivered the Conservative party with a landslide victory and the Labour party with it's biggest rebuff for, remind me...... how many years, oops, decades...??!!

My opinion.

Eva.

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

"I’m hopeing for a shift back to the center labour have been to far to the left to of ever stood a chance of winning an election and good riddance to thornberry and Abbott

I think the general election results would disagree with you on that one lol

What does that tell you about the electorate?

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My opinion.

Eva."

Just says you're scared of true change.

My opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m hopeing for a shift back to the center labour have been to far to the left to of ever stood a chance of winning an election and good riddance to thornberry and Abbott

I think the general election results would disagree with you on that one lol

What does that tell you about the electorate?

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My opinion.

Eva."

So your opinion is that I am more knowledge about what? I don't understand what you're suggesting?

Last few times you posted just to insult me, but at least your insult was clear. This time I've no idea what you're trying to say.

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

"I’m hopeing for a shift back to the center labour have been to far to the left to of ever stood a chance of winning an election and good riddance to thornberry and Abbott

I think the general election results would disagree with you on that one lol

What does that tell you about the electorate?

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My opinion.

Eva.

So your opinion is that I am more knowledge about what? I don't understand what you're suggesting?

Last few times you posted just to insult me, but at least your insult was clear. This time I've no idea what you're trying to say."

I wouldn't worry. Got a cheek to be talking about years and decades when this country has been stuck in a rut for years and the last decade due to this government's incompetence and power hungry in-fighting.

Anyway, back to Starmer. Any other thoughts on his appointment as Leader of the opposition?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’m hopeing for a shift back to the center labour have been to far to the left to of ever stood a chance of winning an election and good riddance to thornberry and Abbott

I think the general election results would disagree with you on that one lol

What does that tell you about the electorate?

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My opinion.

Eva.

Just says you're scared of true change.

My opinion

CL"

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Scared......?

Moi...?!

Well.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS
over a year ago

Ayr

"They might stand more chance of winning an election. But then they won't have any interesting ideas and nothing will change. Just like New Labour under Blair. They were so shit they were basically Tories."

Exactly this. Blair moved the left so far to the right, that it pushed the Tories even further to the right, therefore shifting the center ground to "Tory-lite"; which is what New Labour was.

That has become the standard if you want to gain power in a UK GE. You have to be right wing - because that's how 45% of England wants it ; Scotland, Wales and N.I. are of almost no relevance, in voting terms, to determining the outcome.

Having a knight in charge of the Labour Party is a good illustration of how far away from its origins it now is.

If he is ever to actually become PM, he'll do what Blair did and tell the Tory public he's one of them, they need not fear him.

He'll have no choice.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

Having a knight in charge of the Labour Party is a good illustration of how far away from its origins it now is.

What a depressing attitude. The purity tests that some lefties demand of their politicians are part of why we struggle to win power.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

Probably the strongest and most credible candidate, it's always good for democracy when there is a strong and credible opposition party.

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

"Probably the strongest and most credible candidate, it's always good for democracy when there is a strong and credible opposition party."

Starmer and Rayner is an interesting team up. We'll have a better understanding of what his vision is when we see the shadow cabinet.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Probably the strongest and most credible candidate, it's always good for democracy when there is a strong and credible opposition party.

Starmer and Rayner is an interesting team up. We'll have a better understanding of what his vision is when we see the shadow cabinet."

So far ...

Nick Brown remains Labour’s Chief Whip

Dodds appointed Shadow Chancellor

Lisa Nandy appointed Shadow Foreign Secretary

Nick Thomas-Symonds appointed Shadow Home Secretary

Rachel Reeves appointed Shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster

Jonathan Ashworth remains Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care

Thornberry will be in shadow cabinet - but not sure where

And no sign of a job for JCs closest friend RLB

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

"Probably the strongest and most credible candidate, it's always good for democracy when there is a strong and credible opposition party.

Starmer and Rayner is an interesting team up. We'll have a better understanding of what his vision is when we see the shadow cabinet.

So far ...

Nick Brown remains Labour’s Chief Whip

Dodds appointed Shadow Chancellor

Lisa Nandy appointed Shadow Foreign Secretary

Nick Thomas-Symonds appointed Shadow Home Secretary

Rachel Reeves appointed Shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster

Jonathan Ashworth remains Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care

Thornberry will be in shadow cabinet - but not sure where

And no sign of a job for JCs closest friend RLB "

Interesting. He'll want to put his own stamp out there but he can't completely Corbyn's allies.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

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"Probably the strongest and most credible candidate, it's always good for democracy when there is a strong and credible opposition party.

Starmer and Rayner is an interesting team up. We'll have a better understanding of what his vision is when we see the shadow cabinet.

So far ...

Nick Brown remains Labour’s Chief Whip

Dodds appointed Shadow Chancellor

Lisa Nandy appointed Shadow Foreign Secretary

Nick Thomas-Symonds appointed Shadow Home Secretary

Rachel Reeves appointed Shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster

Jonathan Ashworth remains Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care

Thornberry will be in shadow cabinet - but not sure where

And no sign of a job for JCs closest friend RLB

Interesting. He'll want to put his own stamp out there but he can't completely Corbyn's allies."
So where is Dianne Abbot

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"Probably the strongest and most credible candidate, it's always good for democracy when there is a strong and credible opposition party.

Starmer and Rayner is an interesting team up. We'll have a better understanding of what his vision is when we see the shadow cabinet.

So far ...

Nick Brown remains Labour’s Chief Whip

Dodds appointed Shadow Chancellor

Lisa Nandy appointed Shadow Foreign Secretary

Nick Thomas-Symonds appointed Shadow Home Secretary

Rachel Reeves appointed Shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster

Jonathan Ashworth remains Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care

Thornberry will be in shadow cabinet - but not sure where

And no sign of a job for JCs closest friend RLB

Interesting. He'll want to put his own stamp out there but he can't completely Corbyn's allies.So where is Dianne Abbot

She resigned (along with John McDonnell) yesterday .

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

"Probably the strongest and most credible candidate, it's always good for democracy when there is a strong and credible opposition party.

Starmer and Rayner is an interesting team up. We'll have a better understanding of what his vision is when we see the shadow cabinet.

So far ...

Nick Brown remains Labour’s Chief Whip

Dodds appointed Shadow Chancellor

Lisa Nandy appointed Shadow Foreign Secretary

Nick Thomas-Symonds appointed Shadow Home Secretary

Rachel Reeves appointed Shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster

Jonathan Ashworth remains Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care

Thornberry will be in shadow cabinet - but not sure where

And no sign of a job for JCs closest friend RLB

Interesting. He'll want to put his own stamp out there but he can't completely Corbyn's allies.So where is Dianne Abbot

Yeah...Priti Patel's doing a stellar job. I heard she's a joy to work with...

Can we get back to topic please?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So where is Dianne Abbot

She resigned (along with John McDonnell) yesterday . "

Now that is a shame

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

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"So where is Dianne Abbot

She resigned (along with John McDonnell) yesterday .

Now that is a shame

A shame? Were you hoping to see some kind of ceremonial sacking ?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

So where is Dianne Abbot

A moment of silent for all the right wingers who won't have their one 'Diane abbot!' joke any more.

Wait, I'm giving you too much credit. You'll keep saying 'Diane abbot hahaha!' till she's retired or dead, probably.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Still won't win a General election though.

Until they actually face up to why they've lost the last 4, they'll continue to be unelectable

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Ed Milliband and David Lammy now on the Labour front bench!

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

"Ed Milliband and David Lammy now on the Labour front bench!"

Interesting!

Happy for Lammy.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Ed Milliband and David Lammy now on the Labour front bench!

Interesting!

Happy for Lammy."

Lammys a total cockend

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Lammy surprised me by getting behind Keir. I always had him down as a supporter of the Nandi or RLB.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ed Milliband and David Lammy now on the Labour front bench!"
well that fucked labour again what was he thinking, Lammy his a total knob that no one likes.

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By *L RogueMan
over a year ago

London

"Ed Milliband and David Lammy now on the Labour front bench!

Interesting!

Happy for Lammy.

Lammys a total cockend

He is for abstaining on his vote in regards to the 2014 immigration act but has sought retribution since and has been quite vocal. His heart's in the right place for the best part. A good MP.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Smear campaign already starting

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By *hechairman18Man
over a year ago

Salford Quays , Manchester

Ed Milliband.

You're having a laugh.

5 years in Opposition's, just gone to 10.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ed Milliband and David Lammy now on the Labour front bench!well that fucked labour again what was he thinking, Lammy his a total knob that no one likes. "

I like him.

I'm assuming Labour are our to attract the middle ground though? Not the more right leaning people who are never going to vote labour no matter what.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Ed Milliband and David Lammy now on the Labour front bench!well that fucked labour again what was he thinking, Lammy his a total knob that no one likes.

I like him.

I'm assuming Labour are our to attract the middle ground though? Not the more right leaning people who are never going to vote labour no matter what."

They cant lose the support base they built up under Corbyn.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"At least I think the Labour Party have a future under the leadership of Sir K Starmer. "

Yes, certainly looks like Jim fixed it for him...

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"Ed Milliband and David Lammy now on the Labour front bench!

Interesting!

Happy for Lammy.

Lammys a total cockend

He is for abstaining on his vote in regards to the 2014 immigration act but has sought retribution since and has been quite vocal. His heart's in the right place for the best part. A good MP."

Lammy's put his foot it in a few times (like many politicians), but has actually done a lot of good work and is very smart. The Lammy Review has been very influential.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ed Milliband and David Lammy now on the Labour front bench!well that fucked labour again what was he thinking, Lammy his a total knob that no one likes.

I like him.

I'm assuming Labour are our to attract the middle ground though? Not the more right leaning people who are never going to vote labour no matter what.

They cant lose the support base they built up under Corbyn."

Personally I'm only even vaguely interested in Labour if they're able to offer some meaningful change.

As soon as the party moves away from the centre, the establishment and media go into full on propaganda mode, which is extremely effective and makes labour unelectable. Basically mirroring politics stateside.

So I don't really care about the fortunes of Labour. Seems like they will put in a long hard fight, and the best case scenario is that things will be slightly less shit than now.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Don't worry folks jim will jinx it for Tory boy ....even the Labour north won't fall for his man of the people stunt..

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Don't worry folks jim will jinx it for Tory boy ....even the Labour north won't fall for his man of the people stunt.."

They already have.

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