FabSwingers.com forum: How will the World change after this?

By *andS66 OP Couple
over a year ago

Derby

Just wondering if people think the world will change after this...

Will countries (and companies) start to produce and manufacture more 'in-house'?

Will companies seriously start to look at automation?

Will there be a backlash against China? (I'm already seeing this to some extent in my industry)

Will more people realise they can work from home - will businesses realise more people can work from home (and allow them to)?

Will our attitude to the high street v online retail change?

Will we grow more ourselves (either through farming or individually)?

Will people's attitudes and habits change? For example, with the lockdown and isolation, will we realise what is and isn't important to us?

I can see all of the above changing....

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

I hope everyone avoids China..and there cheap shit products ...I hope for a new manufacturing revival in the UK...and long term I think countries will become more independant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Companies will still want to make maximum profits with minimum layout... They have never given a shit about ethics before, why now?! Same as consumers... So it's gone from, how great this thing is that I paid next to bugger all for, to, everything is cheap shit, now! But most people will still want their cheap shit again, once this has died down. It's funny that the majority of the god awful (to us) practices that go on in China, have been common knowledge for quite some time, have only just started to bother people, eh?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I would like to think that we would improve joined up communication between nations in order to try and mitigate similar outbreaks.

China was somewhat lacking in disclosure during the early days of the outbreak.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Working from home is definitely going to raise. Not because companies find it morally good. It is because they have realised that they could cut a lot of expenses by not having to run an office and still get work done.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

I think the amount of change will depend on consumers,if consumers decide not to by products made in China then companies will change there ways etc.We blame the big multi national corporations for all that is wrong very often but they want to make money and therefore give people what they want.If people raise there values companies will have to change.

I do however feel that proof of less traffic etc can help reduce climate change so now proven for real people and nations will respond to this.

Greta will be out of work great

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

Automation projects have been going through the roof for the last year.and there is no let up.

That's my sector, and it's been dawn to dusk for months now.

A company near me has shut down, due to the lack of parts from China. Another is struggling to get a plastic part that they have done in India. 95p against £3 in the UK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I hope everyone avoids China..and there cheap shit products ...I hope for a new manufacturing revival in the UK...and long term I think countries will become more independant"

There definitely seems to be a marked increase in ignorant attitudes towards China and Chinese people.

I guess it will last as long as the right wing press pushes it. Untill they go back to blaming Muslims for everything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just wondering if people think the world will change after this...

Will countries (and companies) start to produce and manufacture more 'in-house'?

Will companies seriously start to look at automation?

Will there be a backlash against China? (I'm already seeing this to some extent in my industry)

Will more people realise they can work from home - will businesses realise more people can work from home (and allow them to)?

Will our attitude to the high street v online retail change?

Will we grow more ourselves (either through farming or individually)?

Will people's attitudes and habits change? For example, with the lockdown and isolation, will we realise what is and isn't important to us?

I can see all of the above changing....

It would be nice if some things changed for the better. People seem to be nicer and friendlier to others.

We're using less of the planets resources.

People are coming up with creative projects to pass the time.

But I've no idea if it will last, or if things will go back to normal.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Well you have your opinion apparently I've got an ignorant attitudes ....ft

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"Just wondering if people think the world will change after this...

Will countries (and companies) start to produce and manufacture more 'in-house'?

Will companies seriously start to look at automation?

Will there be a backlash against China? (I'm already seeing this to some extent in my industry)

Will more people realise they can work from home - will businesses realise more people can work from home (and allow them to)?

Will our attitude to the high street v online retail change?

Will we grow more ourselves (either through farming or individually)?

Will people's attitudes and habits change? For example, with the lockdown and isolation, will we realise what is and isn't important to us?

I can see all of the above changing....

Some items may be redefined as critical. Particularly medical equipment. However, these will need subsidy and at a small scale. Bulk purchases will still be from the cheapest supplier.

It would be more sensible to have plans for critical items and be able to retool production if necessary. Stockpiling or maintaining capacity for something that may never happen does not make sense.

The backlash against China is a familiar pattern. Blaming someone else. We have known for years that something like this would happen and even China's delayed information was out in December. We sat on our hands.

Russia, Brazil and the US have been as bad as China at a government level. Denying that there is a problem. The subsequent response has been significantly more shambolic.

It's difficult to know if the delay in China was at the national level or at regional or local one. More the latter I think. That's the problem with an authoritarian state. Fear.

Someone has already mentioned working from home. It will become far more common, saving companies a property footprint.

There will be knock on consequences for commercial property prices I guess.

There will also be a reduction in commuting.

The high street could suffer very seriously as a consequence. Some otherwise profitable businesses may not recover sadly.

I doubt that there will be much change to food production. We may, in fact lose capacity as farmers cannot source labour. We will not pay the prices that automation will require.

Memories can be very short though. I get no sense of common endeavour internationally from this. Probably because The US has been feuding with everyone in the preceding years leaving any position of leadership vacant. In 2008 this existed at least at a government level. The USA has surrendered a lot of influence I think.

I think that components will still be built in low cost countries but over a wider range of locations.

Just for the record calling all Chinese products cheap and crap displays a certain level of ignorance. Much is but our mobile phones, computers, tablets, and large parts of our pharmaceutical supply chain are produced in China. People used to say the same thing about Singapore, Taiwan, Japan and Korea. That was arrogance.

Some people may readjust their priorities. Others will not. We have seen the personality types in action. At the extremes, those who strip the shelves bare then throw their rotten food away the following week and those who volunteer to help whoever needs helping.

In summary, some things will change significantly. Others will, but not such as most of us will notice.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

You calling me ignorant then yes or no .....

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"You calling me ignorant then yes or no ....."

If you don't know something then yes you are ignorant. Just as I am when I don't know something.

That's not an insult.

If you knew that China produced high value, high quality products then you were being deliberately misleading to make a point.

If you believe China is incapable of producing high value and quality products then you are arrogant.

That would be an insult.

I don't know what your position is.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

China can and do produce some quality products but they arent cheap, they also produce lots of shit that is cheap but that is the fault of those who buy it, they only produce what sells.

Maybe people will realise that we dont need new consumer stuff all the time but will spend more time and money on leisure after missing being able to freely go out. The benefit of that is more money would stay in the UK.

Also big changes to working practices and preparations for similar events

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"China can and do produce some quality products but they arent cheap, they also produce lots of shit that is cheap but that is the fault of those who buy it, they only produce what sells.

Also big changes to working practices and preparations for similar events"

Weirdly. I agree with everything you just said.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

Working from home would certainly save companies a fortune on maintaining premises

95% of my company are now working from home and we only had 5 people call in sick today. That's out of a work force of nearly 700

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

"You calling me ignorant then yes or no .....

If you don't know something then yes you are ignorant. Just as I am when I don't know something.

That's not an insult.

Your position seems you are always right ....bet lots of people buy your brilliant thoughts

If you knew that China produced high value, high quality products then you were being deliberately misleading to make a point.

If you believe China is incapable of producing high value and quality products then you are arrogant.

That would be an insult.

I don't know what your position is."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

might be a time to come out of retirement and kick off a new business, there will be great opportunities ahead for some

and the death of businesses for others

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

Agree with above ...keep powder dry and step in when this shit is over ....bring it on

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By *ee.PMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

The country that the world has relied on for so long to maintain greed in every economy is the very country that we all need to be nervous of. Not only is it the origin of the worlds virus’s, SARS, and possibly MERS and definitely Covid 19. It owns all the copper,tin,metal and gold resources in Africa. Traffics and slaughters wild animals for an aphrodisiac high.It holds more dollars on reserve than the USA and holds OPEC to ransom on oil... CHINA!!

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"The country that the world has relied on for so long to maintain greed in every economy is the very country that we all need to be nervous of. Not only is it the origin of the worlds virus’s, SARS, and possibly MERS and definitely Covid 19. It owns all the copper,tin,metal and gold resources in Africa. Traffics and slaughters wild animals for an aphrodisiac high.It holds more dollars on reserve than the USA and holds OPEC to ransom on oil... CHINA!!"

This is just a transition. The USA used to provide for our freed, now it just provides the branding and advertising that drives our craving for unnecessary things.

China just provides the objects at a price that we find acceptable. They have taken millions of their people out of poverty.

AIDS most likely crossed species from eating bush meat in Africa.

BSE came from us feeding animals to cows.

We used to bring down governments and start proxy wars for resource. We invaded countries and entered into conflicts for spices, sugar, cotton, oil and countless other things.

The Japanese and Norwegians kill whales.

I'm absolutely not condoning what the Chinese do culturally, but they've only recently enteree the modern world.

You are worried about China holding a cartel to ransom? By what mechanism?

Russia has been sucking with every election in the western world.

Everything is China's fault and we should be scared of them?

Get a grip.

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"You calling me ignorant then yes or no .....

If you don't know something then yes you are ignorant. Just as I am when I don't know something.

That's not an insult.

Your position seems you are always right ....bet lots of people buy your brilliant thoughts

If you knew that China produced high value, high quality products then you were being deliberately misleading to make a point.

If you believe China is incapable of producing high value and quality products then you are arrogant.

That would be an insult.

I don't know what your position is."

Other than just having a dig, did you actually believe that China also built high value, high quality things as well?

Yes/no?

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By *pmsldCouple
over a year ago

kettering

The public will for the most part return to normal once allowed to do so. Some people might change habits because they have gotten used to somthing different but they will be in a minority. The biggest danger coming out of this is the state of the economy and if we are hit with another recession. Obviously stuff like high street shops have been in the decline for years so this could potentially speed that up further. The decline in Cash is one thing that I personally hope speeds up after this aswell.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

"You calling me ignorant then yes or no .....

If you don't know something then yes you are ignorant. Just as I am when I don't know something.

That's not an insult.

Your position seems you are alwaysthey n right ....bet lots of people buy your brilliant thoughts

If you knew that China produced high value, high quality products then you were being deliberately misleading to make a point.

If you believe China is incapable of producing high value and quality products then you are arrogant.

That would be an insult.

I don't know what your position is.

Other than just having a dig, did you actually believe that China also built high value, high quality things as well?

Yes/no?"
they must also make great products because you say they do ..and of course you are always right ...the number one

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By *asyukMan
over a year ago

West London

"You calling me ignorant then yes or no .....

If you don't know something then yes you are ignorant. Just as I am when I don't know something.

That's not an insult.

Your position seems you are alwaysthey n right ....bet lots of people buy your brilliant thoughts

If you knew that China produced high value, high quality products then you were being deliberately misleading to make a point.

If you believe China is incapable of producing high value and quality products then you are arrogant.

That would be an insult.

I don't know what your position is.

Other than just having a dig, did you actually believe that China also built high value, high quality things as well?

Yes/no?they must also make great products because you say they do ..and of course you are always right ...the number one "

Do you do not think that they make good quality products too?

Your diagnosis is arrogance then.

You're welcome

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I think it's too early to say atm, as we don't know how long it's to continue, the ultimate effects and outcomes.

There may be a move away from just in time process, instead increasing resiliency options via local storage and more local production, even if at slightly higher costs.

We could increase our efforts to reduce the likelihood of a future climate with excessively damaging temperatutes. Coming through 1 catastrophe may make us less willing to accept a future that's just increasingly worse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably not.

There will be some thoughts about individuals being more prepared.

Probably a backlash against the Tories for not adequately supplying the NHS - this is now out there to physically see.

Probably some more questions about localism Vs globalisation - but capitalism requires the consumer is listened to and most people still want cheap over high quality.

So no, once things are all clear, this oddly quiet UK will return to its normal dysfunctional self.

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