FabSwingers.com forum: Nick Griffin

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

You have to hand the baffoon of the year award to this guy. He doesnt agree will Asian people being in the country, but when 7 are caught red handed doing totally disgusting things to young girls, he actually hands the perverts an opportunity to appeal because he Tweated about it. Well done Nick Griffin pure class !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Judge made it clear that the conviction was arrived by the jury with a painstaking adherance to the law and the evidence presented before them.

And Griffin got it wrong because NINE men were convicted, not seven, but in Griffin's usualy lumbering style - any publicity is good publicity and he never misses an opportunity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

that the one on Holby City?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Judge made it clear that the conviction was arrived by the jury with a painstaking adherance to the law and the evidence presented before them.

And Griffin got it wrong because NINE men were convicted, not seven, but in Griffin's usualy lumbering style - any publicity is good publicity and he never misses an opportunity."

sorry wishy your wrong on this one griffin tweeted 7 had been found guilty when the judge heard this he entered the jury room and asked and was told they had just decided on 7 and were still deciding on the other 2

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By *atcherofmyballsMan
over a year ago

hereford

"that the one on Holby City?"
No, its the one on family guy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Their appeal will also include details of how the police didn't deal with the BNP and EDL protesters outside who hurled abuse at every asian person going into court and also attacked a couple of people. They also took photographs of Asians entering the court and put them on right wing websites. It looks like the majority of these people they hurled abuse at were just working at the courts or were lawyers.

I don't think their appeals will be successful and rightfully so, but at least it's highlighted that the BNP and EDL do more harm than good.

I love free speech but the line is crossed when it becomes abuse.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Ah Nick Griffin.....

I may not be a gynaecologist.....but I know a cunt when I see one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ah Nick Griffin.....

I may not be a gynaecologist.....but I know a cunt when I see one."

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By *amslam1000Man
over a year ago

willenhall

"Ah Nick Griffin.....

I may not be a gynaecologist.....but I know a cunt when I see one.

i dissagree "cunts" are useful Nick Griffin is lower than the bits that stick to a used tampax thats been put in the wrong hole.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can a judge enter a jury room while they are still deliberating?

And, can he ask what verdict had been reached, if any, before it's read out in the court without jeopardising the case?

I am asking this because I genuinely don't know what a judge can or cannot do with regards to interupting a jury.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Can a judge enter a jury room while they are still deliberating?

And, can he ask what verdict had been reached, if any, before it's read out in the court without jeopardising the case?

I am asking this because I genuinely don't know what a judge can or cannot do with regards to interupting a jury."

No. Once a jury goes in they are locked in and no one else goes in unless they are bringing the butties

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Their appeal will also include details of how the police didn't deal with the BNP and EDL protesters outside who hurled abuse at every asian person going into court and also attacked a couple of people. They also took photographs of Asians entering the court and put them on right wing websites. It looks like the majority of these people they hurled abuse at were just working at the courts or were lawyers.

I don't think their appeals will be successful and rightfully so, but at least it's highlighted that the BNP and EDL do more harm than good.

I love free speech but the line is crossed when it becomes abuse."

white or Asian it doesnt matter what happend was wrong on both accounts skin colour does not make you who you are nether does religion it always that very small group I.E that 5% of society as a whole that makes it a sick world to live in i spent a long time in the armed forces and spent most of it with the UNHCR and it people that hurt people and children not religion fanatics will change religion to suit there way of life alot of thise threads put Muslim people down because of the religion well sorry to say this but the muslim religion promots peace not violence its fantics who change the words of the karan to suit them selfs that start the violence as for the BNP they make me ashamed to be british the way they carry on how many can trace the ancestors back to baing truely british not many

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can a judge enter a jury room while they are still deliberating?

And, can he ask what verdict had been reached, if any, before it's read out in the court without jeopardising the case?

I am asking this because I genuinely don't know what a judge can or cannot do with regards to interupting a jury.

No. Once a jury goes in they are locked in and no one else goes in unless they are bringing the butties

I suspected as much. So the reports of the Judge entering the jury room and asking if they'd reached a verdict must be inaccurate?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can a judge enter a jury room while they are still deliberating?

And, can he ask what verdict had been reached, if any, before it's read out in the court without jeopardising the case?

I am asking this because I genuinely don't know what a judge can or cannot do with regards to interupting a jury."

yes he can and he can also discharge a jury half way through there deliberating he is the only one who can enter there chambers this isnt the first time this has happend but its time phones were banned in court buildings to stop anyone tweeting or posting on facebook a judge stopped a court case in carlisle a few months ago because a member of the jury posted on facebook when in a closed chamber and the judge stoped the court case

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"Can a judge enter a jury room while they are still deliberating?

And, can he ask what verdict had been reached, if any, before it's read out in the court without jeopardising the case?

I am asking this because I genuinely don't know what a judge can or cannot do with regards to interupting a jury.

No. Once a jury goes in they are locked in and no one else goes in unless they are bringing the butties

I suspected as much. So the reports of the Judge entering the jury room and asking if they'd reached a verdict must be inaccurate?

Unless they have changed it, but when I did Jury duty the only person allowed in was the clerk ( not sure if is called that) who looked after the jury if we needed anything....and even when he came in we all had to not talk about the case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its unlikely the Judge entered the Jury room. But its quite common for a deliberating jury to be summoned back into court for direction etc. by a Judge. I was several times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What I'm trying to figure out is if Griffin's tweet was a 100% accurate reflection of the jury's deliberations at that time then someone must have overheard the jury telling the judge they had reached a verdict on 7 of them (but the jury would not have said what that verdict was, and the judge wouldn't have asked) - assuming, of course, that the judge recalled the jury to the court to ask them if they had reached a verdict on any of the defendants in order to clarify if Griffin's tweet WAS accurate or not.

There is a lot of suppositions in this isn't there.

If Griffin's tweet WAS accurate due to him being told what the jury's deliberations were at that time, then the mobile phone activities of the jurors have to be examined to determine of one of them leaked the information.

And if it turns out that one of them did tweet/leak/email/text then the men have grounds for appeal.

And someone needs to pop round and punch Griffin's lights out for being a fookin arse!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its unlikely the Judge entered the Jury room. But its quite common for a deliberating jury to be summoned back into court for direction etc. by a Judge. I was several times."

Do the jury not have to be out for sometime for that to jappen. EG for the judge to say he will accept a majority verdict rather than a unanimous one?

I too doubt that the judge entered the jury room. In fact if he had I supect the trial would have collapsed.

I am led to believe that police are looking at contempt of court for Griffin - I'm sure this is at least the second time he's tweeted something that could have jeopordised the case.

As for the EDL, again my understanding is the trial almost never happened because of their moronic actions before the trial started.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Wishy, no mobile phones are allowed in, they are taken off you.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Can a judge enter a jury room while they are still deliberating?

And, can he ask what verdict had been reached, if any, before it's read out in the court without jeopardising the case?

I am asking this because I genuinely don't know what a judge can or cannot do with regards to interupting a jury.

No. Once a jury goes in they are locked in and no one else goes in unless they are bringing the butties

I suspected as much. So the reports of the Judge entering the jury room and asking if they'd reached a verdict must be inaccurate?

not quite.... if he believed that people on the outside are tampering communicatiing with the jury then he can call a mistrial.... bearing in mind that there isn't suppose to be any form of communication i.e mobile phones.....

so when the tweet came in, he is actually within his rights to ask to ask if the information is true...

has to be said... is a remarkable co-incidence that the information at that point was correct....

the arguement that the judge in this case used is that it was so far into the trial that to in effect start again was not in the public interest... however i am betting one or more people will suggest "jury tampering" as part of any appeal....

so the appeal judge would be fully within their right to order a mistrial if they see fit....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Looked at his twitter for less than a minute there and felt my blood boil.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I second the point on the Fascist Idiots outside the Crown Court hurling abuse......

Today I complained to one of the police officers on duty that I felt the idiot with the loud hailer was inciting racial hatred, spouting lies as he was.....The Bussy was not interested. Had I not been on my way to an interview I would have pursued it further and walked into the court to seek the assistance of a solicitor.

Unfortunately, work before pleasure.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

griffin was on c4 news stating that he recieved messages from his supporters outside the court that someone (plod or court official) had come out and told them that 7 had been convicted not from a tweet or text from the jury

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ah Nick Griffin.....

I may not be a gynaecologist.....but I know a cunt when I see one."

Yes but if there was no BNP who would the bourgeoise liberals be able to condemn whilst they sit in their nice houses in nice provincial towns whilst their East European cleaners hoover in the background for £6 per hour? Oh yes, I forgot. The Left, who would take away some of their wealth and give it to people like those East European cleaners.

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By *ucky_LadsCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Kidderminster+ surrounding areas.

"Can a judge enter a jury room while they are still deliberating?

And, can he ask what verdict had been reached, if any, before it's read out in the court without jeopardising the case?

I am asking this because I genuinely don't know what a judge can or cannot do with regards to interupting a jury.

No. Once a jury goes in they are locked in and no one else goes in unless they are bringing the butties

I suspected as much. So the reports of the Judge entering the jury room and asking if they'd reached a verdict must be inaccurate?

merely supposition by shit stirers i reckon!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can a judge enter a jury room while they are still deliberating?

And, can he ask what verdict had been reached, if any, before it's read out in the court without jeopardising the case?

I am asking this because I genuinely don't know what a judge can or cannot do with regards to interupting a jury.

No. Once a jury goes in they are locked in and no one else goes in unless they are bringing the butties

I suspected as much. So the reports of the Judge entering the jury room and asking if they'd reached a verdict must be inaccurate?

so when the tweet came in, he is actually within his rights to ask to ask if the information is true...

has to be said... is a remarkable co-incidence that the information at that point was correct....

so the appeal judge would be fully within their right to order a mistrial if they see fit...."

thankyou thats what i red yesterday or there abouts

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Ah Nick Griffin.....

I may not be a gynaecologist.....but I know a cunt when I see one."

agreed..

sad and a little bit frightening that people take his spouted vile filth as fact

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apparently the jury's findings were first posted to a far right website and that's where Griffin saw it or one of his cronies saw it and then told him.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

What a total idiot that man is....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Met him, heard him speak and spoke with him and John Tindle before him who ran the BNP.

He revels in the thug element that pander to him and his bastardised ethics.

A total cunt and so are the followers!

The majority of his followers are ex football hooligans that are banned from games, the anti-establishment brigade, the clueless, the Nazi fuckwits and so on.

We fought long and hard to keep Britain, British, why should we let a group of morons and meat heads fuck it up for us?

If there is a problem with immigration then there are better ways to deal with it other than cause unrest with EVERYONE.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Met him, heard him speak and spoke with him and John Tindle before him who ran the BNP.

He revels in the thug element that pander to him and his bastardised ethics.

A total cunt and so are the followers!

The majority of his followers are ex football hooligans that are banned from games, the anti-establishment brigade, the clueless, the Nazi fuckwits and so on.

We fought long and hard to keep Britain, British, why should we let a group of morons and meat heads fuck it up for us?

If there is a problem with immigration then there are better ways to deal with it other than cause unrest with EVERYONE."

Never have I agreed with a post as wholeheartedly as I do this one. (apart from actually meeting the dickhead - Griffin that is, not the OP lol).

I've just been watching a news item about the Golden Dawn party in Greece which is a neo-fascist party who has enjoyed a good share of the vote recently. What another bunch of total fuckwits. They want to eject anyone who isn't Greek and if they don't leave voluntarily they will be denied housing & healthcare.

Not quite Griffinesque, but I'm sure it would align to Griffin's true feelings were he brave enough to actually come out and say it. But we all know he won't because he knows he'd be finished in this country if he did. We just tolerate the wanker at the moment.

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By *amschwingerzCouple
over a year ago

West

Griffin is a total fool and as a man of law himself he should have known that those comments could and still might blow that case right out of the water.

But, the main thing is those 'people' have been banged up, the downside being some civil rights group are probably putting a case together on their behalf as we speak..

I dont care about the 'race' issue people who do that are vile disgusting pigs and should have been given life, whatever colour their skin, or the skin of their victims.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Phew that i was being called a dick head lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Phew that i was being called a dick head lol"

No, the dickhead is me - I thought I was quoting you, when I was in fact quoting artfuldogger.

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

"Ah Nick Griffin.....

I may not be a gynaecologist.....but I know a cunt when I see one."

hope he gets done for contempt and perverting the course of justice.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Cool wishy....Just feel strongly on this twat lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i have to admit- it really really shames me to be Asian cos of what those vile men did. BUT then i remember that its media making a point about the whole race issue. You dont see people feeling bad being white when pedophile rings get smashed. They dont say white Christian rapist gang etc. Its vile disgusting no matter who its done by. They should should also hang all edl and bnp members since they dont bring anything usefull or positive to society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i have to admit- it really really shames me to be Asian cos of what those vile men did. BUT then i remember that its media making a point about the whole race issue. You dont see people feeling bad being white when pedophile rings get smashed. They dont say white Christian rapist gang etc. Its vile disgusting no matter who its done by. They should should also hang all edl and bnp members since they dont bring anything usefull or positive to society."

You have a point the press blow things up its 9 men they should focus on and the rest who have escaped justice. Hanging all edl and bmp? Well drastic and if they haven't broken the law its not really appropriate as with muslim extremists who haven't broken the law. However one toe over it then nick them all i say no matter what colour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Phew that i was being called a dick head lol

No, the dickhead is me - I thought I was quoting you, when I was in fact quoting artfuldogger.

I do have a serious side too y'know

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

My post is not about colour or race, dont feel ashamed to be Asian today or any day... small percentage of all races and creeds are vile ..... this just hit me that a bloke who hates anyone but the British could be giving Asian perverts a chance to get off... kind of ironic i think !Oh and an Afgan lol

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By *amschwingerzCouple
over a year ago

West

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By *amschwingerzCouple
over a year ago

West

Very fair comment fella...

But aside from the general public anger at the actual crime there is also a feeling of frustration and annoyance with the media how they cover these crimes...and the fact the whole country seems very prickly when it comes to anything done by a visible or ethic minority..

Its almost as if there is a blanket over saying someone is Asian or Black, and thats not the fault of of those communities...but when people think something is being covered up, or it is being covered up they get angry and sadly a part of the anger and frustration is taken out on those said communities, (normally verbally, or people just think it)

Even some local community leaders etc in Rochdale and well placed Asian/Muslim people are saying it was race related.But the media, the police and official sources are petrified of saying it themselves..

An example of this was the young white girl beaten up by a gang on Somali girls, nothing in the papers about it being a race hate crime..if it had been the other way around???........

Or the medias 'selective' reporting of the first day of the Tottenham riots..they wouldnt dare utter the word 'black' for fear of the wonderful and totally unbiased Diane Abbot bearing down on them..

I really feel sorry for ethnic or black communities sometimes..because most of them are like everyone else, honest, hardworking good people...

But the media really dont do you any favours.

Oh and Choco..NEVER be ashamed of your race or background fella..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ah Nick Griffin.....

I may not be a gynaecologist.....but I know a cunt when I see one.

i dissagree "cunts" are useful Nick Griffin is lower than the bits that stick to a used tampax thats been put in the wrong hole.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The media need to take responsibility for continuing racial disharmony in this country.

As you say, the media don't say 'White Christian paedophile etc', and when Ben Kinsella was murdered by a gang the media didn't say, 'White teenager Ben Kinsella', but they ALWAYS say, 'Black teenager Stephen Lawrence'.

The media need to look at how they report things.

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

The media need to take responsibility for continuing racial disharmony in this country.

The media need to look at how they report things."

It is very true why not just call them scum and leave race and colour out of it unless it has bearing on case

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The media need to take responsibility for continuing racial disharmony in this country.

The media need to look at how they report things."

problem there wishy is as sad as it is racist comments sell papers look at the state this country is in at the moment if they kept the doom and gloom out of the gutter press things would get hole lot better a lot quicker

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

nick who? I once nicked a mars bar but I've never nicked a griffin

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