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Apparently manufacturing law is changing

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

To make items you buy easier and cheaper to fix and also to last longer. To sort of avoid a lot of waste.

It’s funny that, because I always remember as a kid my dad replacing tubes in the old televisions or fixing the stereo himself, or even the car. And yet we have been a throwaway society for so long that people just buy new items all the time.

It’s definitely a good thing to implement anyway. What are your thoughts?

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

IKEA will be fucked then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even when things made easier to fix, people will still throw them away

Someone where I live asked me to take their tumble dryer to the tip because it wouldn't work. I took it home and changed the fuse and worked perfectly.

Can't get much easier than that

FYI, I had that tumble dryer for 3 years

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury


"Even when things made easier to fix, people will still throw them away

Someone where I live asked me to take their tumble dryer to the tip because it wouldn't work. I took it home and changed the fuse and worked perfectly.

Can't get much easier than that

FYI, I had that tumble dryer for 3 years"

Tis a sad state of affairs. Unfortunately the new legislation will not be liked by business as they wont be selling as much so they wont make as much money.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury


"Even when things made easier to fix, people will still throw them away

Someone where I live asked me to take their tumble dryer to the tip because it wouldn't work. I took it home and changed the fuse and worked perfectly.

Can't get much easier than that

FYI, I had that tumble dryer for 3 years

Tis a sad state of affairs. Unfortunately the new legislation will not be liked by business as they wont be selling as much so they wont make as much money."

* Fortunately

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"IKEA will be fucked then"

I have no IKEA how Things will change with them. The furniture is already badly made.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Even when things made easier to fix, people will still throw them away

Someone where I live asked me to take their tumble dryer to the tip because it wouldn't work. I took it home and changed the fuse and worked perfectly.

Can't get much easier than that

FYI, I had that tumble dryer for 3 years

Tis a sad state of affairs. Unfortunately the new legislation will not be liked by business as they wont be selling as much so they wont make as much money."

True, but big companies have been creaming the system for years.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury


"IKEA will be fucked then

I have no IKEA how Things will change with them. The furniture is already badly made."

Exactly they go for quantity over quality while still charging a premium price

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury


"Even when things made easier to fix, people will still throw them away

Someone where I live asked me to take their tumble dryer to the tip because it wouldn't work. I took it home and changed the fuse and worked perfectly.

Can't get much easier than that

FYI, I had that tumble dryer for 3 years

Tis a sad state of affairs. Unfortunately the new legislation will not be liked by business as they wont be selling as much so they wont make as much money.

True, but big companies have been creaming the system for years."

Yup. Capitalism ftw!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Tis a sad state of affairs. Unfortunately the new legislation will not be liked by business as they wont be selling as much so they wont make as much money."

No doubt they will increase their prices to try to compensate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You mean like my iphone that has a crack on the back & can’t be fixed because the back is a main part of the phone so instead they’ll happily swap a new one for £550!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the problem is, many people are not as independent as they like to think they are. Even if something is easy to fix then its straight to facebook "can someone come change my light bulb for me please, I can't see what I'm doing"

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"You mean like my iphone that has a crack on the back & can’t be fixed because the back is a main part of the phone so instead they’ll happily swap a new one for £550!!!! "

No I mean like for instance, modern cars are designed to be extremely difficult to repair or have multiple covers in the engine that only specialist tools can remove etc. That kind of thing. Or even types of security screws that are built into electrical items may be replaced with normal ones.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury


"You mean like my iphone that has a crack on the back & can’t be fixed because the back is a main part of the phone so instead they’ll happily swap a new one for £550!!!!

No I mean like for instance, modern cars are designed to be extremely difficult to repair or have multiple covers in the engine that only specialist tools can remove etc. That kind of thing. Or even types of security screws that are built into electrical items may be replaced with normal ones."

In built redundancy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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No I mean like for instance, modern cars are designed to be extremely difficult to repair or have multiple covers in the engine that only specialist tools can remove etc. That kind of thing. Or even types of security screws that are built into electrical items may be replaced with normal ones."

That's not really any different to the past though, it just requires a different set of skills and a different mind set to repair modern cars. My granddad was a mechanic in the 30's and 40's and he hated cars in the 60's and 70's because he couldn't repair them like he could with "old cars", it just meant he couldn't use the same skills he was used to when doing repairs where he would make everything from bits of scrap and even blacksmith the parts.

Also a lot of modern technology is perfectly possible to be repairable but people always want stuff cheaper which means making it to a price point that very often means cheaper design and more integrated components which does not lend itself well to repairing it.

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By *inkyman1964Man
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent


"You mean like my iphone that has a crack on the back & can’t be fixed because the back is a main part of the phone so instead they’ll happily swap a new one for £550!!!!

No I mean like for instance, modern cars are designed to be extremely difficult to repair or have multiple covers in the engine that only specialist tools can remove etc. That kind of thing. Or even types of security screws that are built into electrical items may be replaced with normal ones."

Sometimes there maybe a good reason. Safety of person removing the covers, are they properly trained, could damage be caused if work isn't done correctly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To make items you buy easier and cheaper to fix and also to last longer. To sort of avoid a lot of waste.

It’s funny that, because I always remember as a kid my dad replacing tubes in the old televisions or fixing the stereo himself, or even the car. And yet we have been a throwaway society for so long that people just buy new items all the time.

It’s definitely a good thing to implement anyway. What are your thoughts?"

I always try to fix things before throwing them away, and if I cant fix it, I might have at least learned how it should work for the next time one breaks so I can try to fix that one.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's a fantastic move. I'd also like to see higher periods without failure and more durability. The EU has done many good things and their proposal for this should help to ensure higher levels of product longevity, less waste and a better deal for consumers.

I hope the world follows too. And that the UK completely follows these, via law.

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By *olgateMan
over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular


"IKEA will be fucked then

I have no IKEA how Things will change with them. The furniture is already badly made."

You obviously have never bought MFI furniture

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think the problem is, many people are not as independent as they like to think they are. Even if something is easy to fix then its straight to facebook "can someone come change my light bulb for me please, I can't see what I'm doing""

Oh wow! I didn’t expect you of all people to turn this into a woman bashing thread...terrible!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To make items you buy easier and cheaper to fix and also to last longer. To sort of avoid a lot of waste.

It’s funny that, because I always remember as a kid my dad replacing tubes in the old televisions or fixing the stereo himself, or even the car. And yet we have been a throwaway society for so long that people just buy new items all the time.

It’s definitely a good thing to implement anyway. What are your thoughts?"
that would mean people would have to build things to last and prices will rocket

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cost to repair vs Cost to replace?

If YOU can't repair it - the hourly rate of the "guy that can" would probably make the item uneconomical to repair!

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

I work for a large white goods spare parts supplier, business is, and has been during the last 6 years I've been there booming.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *abasaurus RexMan
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

It’s just not as simple as this though is it.

Products are more complex than ever. It’s not always resource viable (environmentally etc) to repair something.

I work in the sort of environment that would be directly affected by this kind of change and personally I’m more concerned about the materials used in products.

Changing the rules in an arbitrary way could end up causing more waste and more energy use than it removes. Especially as I highly doubt most people will fix things anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To make items you buy easier and cheaper to fix and also to last longer. To sort of avoid a lot of waste.

It’s funny that, because I always remember as a kid my dad replacing tubes in the old televisions or fixing the stereo himself, or even the car. And yet we have been a throwaway society for so long that people just buy new items all the time.

It’s definitely a good thing to implement anyway. What are your thoughts?

I always try to fix things before throwing them away, and if I cant fix it, I might have at least learned how it should work for the next time one breaks so I can try to fix that one."

Yup, me too. I'm a make and mend kind of guy. When I buy equipment, like trucks, generators etc I always do my research and buy the simplest, non-flashy model available. I also try to buy "industrial" versions of things too - they're usually designed to be much easier to repair and maintain. I fitted my house with an industrial clothes washer and separate drier. A little bigger than domestic, but I have the room. They are so basic, there's very little to go wrong. Domestic units have so many pointless programmes that I guess most people don't even use and these are just extra things to go wrong. That's my theory, anyway

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"You mean like my iphone that has a crack on the back & can’t be fixed because the back is a main part of the phone so instead they’ll happily swap a new one for £550!!!!

No I mean like for instance, modern cars are designed to be extremely difficult to repair or have multiple covers in the engine that only specialist tools can remove etc. That kind of thing. Or even types of security screws that are built into electrical items may be replaced with normal ones."

That's why I miss my old 73 Beetle, it was easy to work on. The parts are expensive, but easy to get hold of. There are plenty of people who are willing to help you.

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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago

Wiltshire and London


"Even when things made easier to fix, people will still throw them away

Someone where I live asked me to take their tumble dryer to the tip because it wouldn't work. I took it home and changed the fuse and worked perfectly.

Can't get much easier than that

FYI, I had that tumble dryer for 3 years

Tis a sad state of affairs. Unfortunately the new legislation will not be liked by business as they wont be selling as much so they wont make as much money.

True, but big companies have been creaming the system for years."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cost to repair vs Cost to replace?

If YOU can't repair it - the hourly rate of the "guy that can" would probably make the item uneconomical to repair!"

True. I am of a generation of fixers who manufacturers have shut out with user unfriendly engineering design and sealed components. Don't repair, replace, even on exchange units.I always maintained my own cars and could do pretty much anything that didn't require actual machining of parts.

I worked with grown adults who can barely check the fluids in a car and would baulk at the thought of changing a headlight bulb...assuming it was even user friendly..

bah.....

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire


"To make items you buy easier and cheaper to fix and also to last longer. To sort of avoid a lot of waste.

It’s funny that, because I always remember as a kid my dad replacing tubes in the old televisions or fixing the stereo himself, or even the car. And yet we have been a throwaway society for so long that people just buy new items all the time.

It’s definitely a good thing to implement anyway. What are your thoughts?"

I heard that this morning too

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"I think the problem is, many people are not as independent as they like to think they are. Even if something is easy to fix then its straight to facebook "can someone come change my light bulb for me please, I can't see what I'm doing"

Oh wow! I didn’t expect you of all people to turn this into a woman bashing thread...terrible! "

Woman bashing? You clearly didn't read the post correctly

What PoF posted isn't far from the truth. People post online requesting help with really basic household jobs.

I absolutely agree that products should be easier to fix and be more durable. It's really frustrating to discover that it's cheaper to buy a new washing machine, than replace the drum because of the way it is manufactured.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"I think the problem is, many people are not as independent as they like to think they are. Even if something is easy to fix then its straight to facebook "can someone come change my light bulb for me please, I can't see what I'm doing"

Oh wow! I didn’t expect you of all people to turn this into a woman bashing thread...terrible!

Woman bashing? You clearly didn't read the post correctly

What PoF posted isn't far from the truth. People post online requesting help with really basic household jobs.

I absolutely agree that products should be easier to fix and be more durable. It's really frustrating to discover that it's cheaper to buy a new washing machine, than replace the drum because of the way it is manufactured. "

Just welded a patch on my boiler life is good

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