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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Appologies if there has been a similar thread but I was just wondering (seeing as there is a thread on here about the existence of aliens) if anyone has any thoughts about the existence of ghosts? I know some of you have no problem with having the willies put up you (I've seen the pics!) but i was just wondering if anyone had any (GENUINE)spooky experiences?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have a ghost in our house. I've seen him a few times, felt him brush past me and we hear him sighing quite often

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The house I grow up in had a little girl that used to sit on the steps crying about half way down, when we did a bit of research we discovered that the house had had a fire and the little girl died on the steps because she couldn't get past the flames

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We have a ghost in our house. I've seen him a few times, felt him brush past me and we hear him sighing quite often

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wow, what does he look like?

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

The house I live in has a ghost. Never seen her, but felt her, and things move, and are found in places that they never would have been put.

I call her Maud, don't know why, I think she is a woman that is in her late 40's. My housemate, who grew up in this house saw a young girl in his room when he was a teenager, the room I now sleep in.

She doesn't bother us, but she does get restless the fewer people that are in the house. Usually 4 of us live here, but this weekend, it has just been me, and I've felt her presence more then usual.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The house I live in has a ghost. Never seen her, but felt her, and things move, and are found in places that they never would have been put.

I call her Maud, don't know why, I think she is a woman that is in her late 40's. My housemate, who grew up in this house saw a young girl in his room when he was a teenager, the room I now sleep in.

She doesn't bother us, but she does get restless the fewer people that are in the house. Usually 4 of us live here, but this weekend, it has just been me, and I've felt her presence more then usual. "
wow how are you not scared? It's always surprised me to hear people say that it doesn't bother them, I can't imagine living somewhere where you might be watched at any time! I wonder how Maude would feel if you ever had a group meet? Lol

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

Well before I moved here, I used to visit once a month, and we'd all have sex. I met my housemates on another site. I don't think Maud is especially bothered. I never feel her watching me, and my housemates have never mentioned being watched while they have sex!!! lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The house I grow up in had a little girl that used to sit on the steps crying about half way down, when we did a bit of research we discovered that the house had had a fire and the little girl died on the steps because she couldn't get past the flames"
so you saw/heard her? Must have been awful

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Well before I moved here, I used to visit once a month, and we'd all have sex. I met my housemates on another site. I don't think Maud is especially bothered. I never feel her watching me, and my housemates have never mentioned being watched while they have sex!!! lol

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ha! Set up an account for her! You never know!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Used to have a friend who every time he visited there was a little girl beside him, she was really sweet and would sit on the arm of the chair beside him, everytime he went to the kitchen fridge she would follow him, sometimes she would follow me too, I would just smile at her and whisper hello. Never found out who she was though.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I don't believe in anything like ghosts for good reasons that I c.b.a explaining or asking.

No such thing.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Used to have a friend who every time he visited there was a little girl beside him, she was really sweet and would sit on the arm of the chair beside him, everytime he went to the kitchen fridge she would follow him, sometimes she would follow me too, I would just smile at her and whisper hello. Never found out who she was though. "
any clues in what she was wearing? Just thinking it might suggest a time period?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never seen a ghost, but iv always fancied having a female version of the entity in my house! Sex on tap! Lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are two gay ghosts in the house next door to us, they're always putting the willies up one another!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both, you could hear her crying while you were watching telly, and sometimes she'd be sat there when you went up the stairs to the toilet or to bed,

my sister thinks that our mother is haunting her house our mom used to live there just before she died and now my sister used to put stuff in the cupboards and wake up in the morning with all the stuff on the top, so she left them out and said right mom put them where you you want and the following morning everything was away how my mom kept them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Used to have a friend who every time he visited there was a little girl beside him, she was really sweet and would sit on the arm of the chair beside him, everytime he went to the kitchen fridge she would follow him, sometimes she would follow me too, I would just smile at her and whisper hello. Never found out who she was though. any clues in what she was wearing? Just thinking it might suggest a time period?"

Fairly modern. He had lost his big sister, but she was 19 when she died, I often wondered if she would've come back as a child?? seemed unlikely but who knows really eh?

Years later when on holiday with a bunch of friends, he was there too and there were bloody loads around him! manged to talk to him about it and placed many of the people but never did pin down the child although she was there again and was really giddy about it all lol! It was nice and some he didn't know he asked his parents about and they recognized a couple of them

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By *arkstaffsMan
over a year ago

Rugeley

Some fascinating stories on this one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is no such thing as ghosts. They are merely imaginations of an over-active mind that is easily impressionable.

I base my belief on that for ghosts to exist there must be an afterlife, and for an afterlife to exist there has to be a God, and if God is all merciful why would He condemn someone to enternity walking amongst it's former home scaring the fuck out of people!

What a crock of crap.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

his sense of humor i suppose

sadistic b@st@ard

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By *ytraCouple
over a year ago

Wrexham

I (Mr Sytra) do believe strongly in ghosts, believe i have seen a couple in the past. Also used to be a member of a national ghosthunting team, been to some really spooky places.

All i will say is "to the true believer no proof is neccessary, to the non believer no proof is possible"

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"I (Mr Sytra)

All i will say is "to the true believer no proof is neccessary, to the non believer no proof is possible""

I like that attitude, applies to more than the belief or non belief in ghosts.

Not seen, felt or sensed ghosts myself - however, I do believe there are things outside our immediate perception that we cannot explain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Friend bought a big old house, first christmas, decorating the tree, she stood back to admire it, as she whispered to herself, "ohh thats nice", another voice over her shoulder said "mmm, yes i like it"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I (Mr Sytra)

All i will say is "to the true believer no proof is neccessary, to the non believer no proof is possible"

I like that attitude, applies to more than the belief or non belief in ghosts.

Not seen, felt or sensed ghosts myself - however, I do believe there are things outside our immediate perception that we cannot explain. "
a healthy attitude to have

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For those that believe in ghosts, why do some people become ghosts and not others? Judging by the amount of humans that have died throughout our existence there should be an obscene amount of ghosts wandering about, yet the majority of people have never seen, felt or heard them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"For those that believe in ghosts, why do some people become ghosts and not others? Judging by the amount of humans that have died throughout our existence there should be an obscene amount of ghosts wandering about, yet the majority of people have never seen, felt or heard them. "
A huuuuge question! Some think that they are echoes, recordings of the past, others think that the way they died, their emotional state, lingers.There are many theories from what I can understand. As for the majority of people, who'se to say they haven't and simply put it down to "one of those things"?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And how are these theories any different to me saying a flying spaghetti monster created life on earth. If there's not a shred of evidence then these theories are just silly.

The majority of people realise that when something they can't explain happens it is infinitely more likely that there is a non metaphysical explanation.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"And how are these theories any different to me saying a flying spaghetti monster created life on earth. If there's not a shred of evidence then these theories are just silly.

The majority of people realise that when something they can't explain happens it is infinitely more likely that there is a non metaphysical explanation.

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Theories? There are examples on this thread of people seeing things they cannot tack a scientific reason for. And you seem to be speaking a lot on behalf of "the majority of people" It was never my intention to turn this thread into a debate about the existence of ghosts, i was just curious if anyone had any stories. Personally I'm not remotely religious but i do think that there are things out there beyond our man-made belief structures

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there is no evidence ghost exist at all.a few people saying they have seen things means nothing

if there are meant to be ghosts of people who have dies .would there not be ghost of people yet to be born.

belief in ghosts is like believing in angels and god.

they are not there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I neither believe or disbelieve...I've never personally had any ghostly experiences but I have a couple of friends that have. I've even been with them a couple of times and have no reason to doubt what they say. I have found that the people who do have these experiences are usually of ill health so I don't know if that has any impact on their ability to see what I can't?

As for saying there is absolutely no chance of it, simple science says that energy cannot be destroyed, only transferred into something else...who's to say our energy doesn't continue after our death? I guess ghosts just wouldn't have the same restrictions on where they can go like we do, or maybe they can chose who sees them and when?

I do believe in reincarnation, so maybe ghosts are just spirits waiting for their next lifetime? Who knows though...one of the many mysteries of life! x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a realist and never did believe in ghosts and all that shite...

... until I move into an house in lincolnshire with my ex about 17 year ago.

I won't say what was seen or happened but I will say I never doubt others stories now.

I can understand why some don't believe in them though and wouldn't even attempt to try to change there views.

Tony

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"... that there are things out there beyond our man-made belief structures

Absolutely - just because we cannot see or feel or hear or smell some things, it does not mean that nobody can.

Furthermore, I would never ridicule anybody for their beliefs - who is to say that I am right?

PS Dont tell the OH as I keep trying to convince him that I am always right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

life is not an energy though.

eating food to feed muscles to move and stay a live which converts to momentum and heat is energy conservation in animals.

any energy or force would be detectable,nothing is.its real not ghostbusters

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I strongly believe in ghosts,I`ve smelt my nans perfume (she passed away after my fourth birthday) which is comforting.I`ve felt like I`m not alone and I often hear things too..However D does not believe in them at all lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have a ghost in our house. I've seen him a few times, felt him brush past me and we hear him sighing quite often

wow, what does he look like?"

It's more of a shadow than anything else but definately the shape of a man

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Years ago people would not have believed that body and mind are in communication, that one influences the other and vice versa. Positive thinking for example has benefits, measurable changes at physical level. So I think it is wise to keep and open mind and a pair of spare knickers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

mple science says that energy cannot be destroyed, only transferred into something else...who's to say our energy doesn't continue after our death?

In scientific terms energy refers to measurable things such as heat energy, kinetic energy etc. We don't have an energy in the way you say. Just like there's no such thing as a spirit. Just more nonsense from humans trying to convince themselves they are more than just animals.

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By *partan_dMan
over a year ago

????

I personally think smelling things is just your imagination. It is a powerful thing. I mean i can visualize things so i am pretty sure if i thought about a certain smell enough even subconsciously i would be able to eventually smell it..

Never seen a ghost, but i did once have a dream about ghosts then the day after the dream i was at work and a middle aged lady stared at me so deeply like into my soul and i felt like she knew everything about me even the dream. Probably just bollocks but i have never felt like that in my life. She didn't even say anything to me but i felt it and she knew it.

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By *r and mrs sanddancerCouple
over a year ago

BOLDON COLLIERY

my family were funeral directors

in all the many we buried we did not have one come back to complain

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

" my family were funeral directors

in all the many we buried we did not have one come back to complain

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maybe thats cos they know they be buried again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"mple science says that energy cannot be destroyed, only transferred into something else...who's to say our energy doesn't continue after our death?

But it's your opinion that there is no such thing as a spirit, and who's to say animals don't have a spirit? Like I say I've never personally experienced anything, but know people that have and have been around people when they've had these experiences. I've spent time talking to them about it with an open mind to try to explain why they have seen/felt what they have as there is no rational explanation, and maybe 'energy' is too literal a word to use but it's all I can think of to explain myself.

There are things people have said to me about my Gran that they could not possibly have known as they would have never met the woman so how can that be explained away as 'nonsense'. It's up to you what you believe, but I'd never try to belittle someone that does absolutely believe in Ghosts. I don't believe in God, but I respect other people's choice to...and who knows when I pop it I could still be proved wrong (although I think I more likely to take a trip downstairs if Heaven & Hell do exist!) x

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By *adcowWoman
over a year ago

kirkcaldy

Have felt the presence of something a few times , one time I even ended up with physical marks on my leg and blood dripping from unexplained wounds. Door handles bouncing up and down when no one was near them and everyone in the flat was already in that room, cat missing while everyone in same room only to be found out cold and tied up in a sheet on top of washing machine.

Doors not opening after a resident of care home had died and the room freezing cold yet heaters on full and no windows open.

I do beleive in the paranormal and always look for logical explanations first but sometimes there are just none.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry if i came across as belittling. I wasn't trying to. Of course everyone is entitled to believe what they want. I'm a massive proponent of free speech and free thought. However that doesn't mean I won't try to persuade others that my viewpoint is right, that's simply human nature and humanity wouldn't have progressed if people wern't persuaded to change their views. We would still be walking around pretty much naked worshipping the sun.

on the "it's my opinion" point, just because someone has an opinion doesn't mean they are right. That's where scientific fact comes into play. I doubt you believe there's pokemon wandering the earth, but it could easily be someone's opinion that there are. Just like people believe in the loch ness monster.

My point when I express my opinion on this issue is that it is much more likely from a scientific point of view and also much much more likely from a statistical probability point of view.

There is practically no evidence for the supernatural. Einstein and Hawkings don't believe in it and they are two of the greatest minds of the last century.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

There is practically no evidence for the supernatural. Einstein and Hawkings don't believe in it and they are two of the greatest minds of the last century. "

Neither is there any evidence to the contrary

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry if i came across as belittling. I wasn't trying to. Of course everyone is entitled to believe what they want. I'm a massive proponent of free speech and free thought. However that doesn't mean I won't try to persuade others that my viewpoint is right, that's simply human nature and humanity wouldn't have progressed if people wern't persuaded to change their views. We would still be walking around pretty much naked worshipping the sun.

My point when I express my opinion on this issue is that it is much more likely from a scientific point of view and also much much more likely from a statistical probability point of view.

There is practically no evidence for the supernatural. Einstein and Hawkings don't believe in it and they are two of the greatest minds of the last century. "

In all fairness there was no attempt at persuasion...you just said it was all nonsense, which I took as dismissal of other opinions - sorry if I was wrong in that.

I'm still very much on the fence as I have no personal experience (other than people seeming to know things they shouldn't know), but I am open to the possibility as I know so many people that have had unexplainable experiences. And as for scientific fact...to my knowledge the existence of ghosts has never been proved or disproved which is why there is still such debate over it, and so many TV shows etc dedicated to it. Just because something is improbable doesn't mean it is impossible...what were the chances of the Big Bang having the result it has had!

Maybe there is no such thing, but I just don't know how you can explain away things like the experiences in this thread people have had in a scientific way...it doesn't make logical sense but there just doesn't seem to be a rational explanation to me which is why I've never left my perch on the fence!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I (Mr Sytra) do believe strongly in ghosts, believe i have seen a couple in the past. Also used to be a member of a national ghosthunting team, been to some really spooky places.

All i will say is "to the true believer no proof is neccessary, to the non believer no proof is possible""

That quote is actually meaningless. An attmept at mystical twaddle to intimidate non believers.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Shit! Some ghost swapped me the e and m around ....... spooky!

Oh no it was me doing a typo ...

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"I (Mr Sytra) do believe strongly in ghosts, believe i have seen a couple in the past. Also used to be a member of a national ghosthunting team, been to some really spooky places.

All i will say is "to the true believer no proof is neccessary, to the non believer no proof is possible"

That quote is actually meaningless. An attmept at mystical twaddle to intimidate non believers. "

And a ghost is making me type this ..."as believing by definition is the mental process of assuming as correct a hypothesis that cannot be falsified... it is ghost language!! You just didnt do the course

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I (Mr Sytra) do believe strongly in ghosts, believe i have seen a couple in the past. Also used to be a member of a national ghosthunting team, been to some really spooky places.

All i will say is "to the true believer no proof is neccessary, to the non believer no proof is possible"

That quote is actually meaningless. An attmept at mystical twaddle to intimidate non believers.

Oooo no I didn't do the course but I do know the source of the quote and what it it means but used in the cotext above it's meaningless twaddle.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

nooooo a ghost nicked my n

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By *ytraCouple
over a year ago

Wrexham

All i will say is "to the true believer no proof is neccessary, to the non believer no proof is possible"

That quote is actually meaningless. An attmept at mystical twaddle to intimidate non believers.

I am sorry if you think it is "twaddle" to "intimidate". Quite how it can intimidate i don't know!!!

For those that dont know the quote originates from the late great Stuart Chase and has been used in many different guises since. I just happen to use it for the paranormal as it fits perfectly within the scope of paranormal. The way i see it, no matter how much proof or evidence is collected "some" people will never believe, and for everyone that does believe you dont need to provide any evidence.

Not once in all my years involved in paranormal have i told someone or suggested someone believe, each to their own, live and let live. GET ON WITH IT

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0JTLFuNFVE

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All i will say is "to the true believer no proof is neccessary, to the non believer no proof is possible"

That quote is actually meaningless. An attmept at mystical twaddle to intimidate non believers.

I am sorry if you think it is "twaddle" to "intimidate". Quite how it can intimidate i don't know!!!

Not once in all my years involved in paranormal have i told someone or suggested someone believe, each to their own, live and let live. GET ON WITH IT "

Why is all evidence presented about the existence of ghosts merely circumstancial? Why hasn't there ever been real tangible proof of ghosts?

To convince me someone would have to come up with irrefutable clear video footage of a ghost that cannot be faked. I don't mean some whispy willowy spooky apparition that may or may not look like a human being, I'd need a clear film sequence of a human character passing through a wall/door whatever.

Nobody has ever presented such evidence though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If ghosts were as believable or contactable as most haunted and the rest say they are, why hasn't Parkinson or Jonathon Ross interviewed the famous folks who's passed on?

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By *ytraCouple
over a year ago

Wrexham

Why is all evidence presented about the existence of ghosts merely circumstancial? Why hasn't there ever been real tangible proof of ghosts?

Nobody has ever presented such evidence though."

I can't answer this as i have never caught anything even remotely human like on camera, loads of other strange things but never an apperition. But maybe we will one day! who knows!

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By *ytraCouple
over a year ago

Wrexham

"If ghosts were as believable or contactable as most haunted and the rest say they are, why hasn't Parkinson or Jonathon Ross interviewed the famous folks who's passed on?

Most Haunted and the like are a joke really. A proper investigation is carried out totally different when it isn't being hyped for tv

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've witnessed things that couldn't be explained and could be taken for some kind of paranormal happenings.

I know how investigating such matters are controlled but as you say the shows make a mockery of certain situations which in turn ruins any credibility of scientific studies that could prove if there are such things as ghosts.

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By *amschwingerzCouple
over a year ago

West

"I don't believe in anything like ghosts for good reasons that I c.b.a explaining or asking.

No such thing."

What she said......

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

"I don't believe in anything like ghosts for good reasons that I c.b.a explaining or asking.

No such thing.

What she said......"

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By *uckscouple2007Couple
over a year ago

Bucks

there are plenty of ghost writers out there if you want a biography written

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is practically no evidence for the supernatural. Einstein and Hawkings don't believe in it and they are two of the greatest minds of the last century.

Neither is there any evidence to the contrary

But the point is if you believe in something the burden of proof is on you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Never seen a ghost, but iv always fancied having a female version of the entity in my house! Sex on tap! Lol.

kitchen table ok but on the tap? naaaaaaaaaa

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

"There is no such thing as ghosts. They are merely imaginations of an over-active mind that is easily impressionable.

What a crock of crap."

You've obviously had a Scooby Do bypass operation.

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By *amschwingerzCouple
over a year ago

West

I guess we have to keep an open mind...but until there is one shred of real evidence about ghosts, UFO's or religion then im taking the non believer route..

You cant count a load of people creeping around old buildings in the dark on Most Haunted...the occasional 'aaargh what was that?' (it was one of the production crew chucking a stone across the room luv)...'did you hear/see that' and the bi weekly 'possession' of the psychic scouse as 'credible'

Do ghosts only come out when its dark?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is no such thing as ghosts. They are merely imaginations of an over-active mind that is easily impressionable.

What a crock of crap.

You've obviously had a Scooby Do bypass operation.

It was always some greedy bastard in a suit, not a ghost or monster.

What I always wanted to know was, was Freddie putting the willies up Daphne and why nobody was shocked that Scooby and his relatives could talk!

Another thing, how come Scooby never got down for a shit and embarrassed everyone like a real dog does?

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

"There is no such thing as ghosts. They are merely imaginations of an over-active mind that is easily impressionable.

What a crock of crap."

the existance of an afterlife is not directly tied to the existance of an omnipitent single being, but merely an extension of our mere souls being grounded and continuing after the physical has ceased to be useful.

often find ghosts/spirits are people that have left abruptly and thus not been able to fully prepare for their conciousness to pass over, and are trapped amongst us until they find peace. some search for it, and pass over, others are happy to be around the lives they knew before and the people.

thats my understanding and belief

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

"And how are these theories any different to me saying a flying spaghetti monster created life on earth. If there's not a shred of evidence then these theories are just silly."

isnt that what religion is based on, though?

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

"if there are meant to be ghosts of people who have dies .would there not be ghost of people yet to be born."

how would there be ghosts of people not yet born, seeings as they have no spirit or concsiousness to pass over?

yet, some say they have experienced children coming to them and saying they are thier children that have died at birth, or been miscarried, but i personaly put that down to a VERY distraught mind being overactive at the time.

your argument has holes you could drive planets through lol

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over a year ago

There is practically no evidence for the supernatural. Einstein and Hawkings don't believe in it and they are two of the greatest minds of the last century.

Neither is there any evidence to the contrary

But the point is if you believe in something the burden of proof is on you. "

dead right

you cant prove a negative.

if you cant see it,hear it,touch it,smell it,measure it,observe it,understand it,or verify it.......

worship it

i know thats more for religion,but the principle stands.the fact that the is no proof of ghosts pretty much says they aint there.

rational thought and logic are all is thats needed

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

There is practically no evidence for the supernatural. Einstein and Hawkings don't believe in it and they are two of the greatest minds of the last century.

Neither is there any evidence to the contrary

But the point is if you believe in something the burden of proof is on you. "

Only if I felt the need to do so - please note I am not saying I do believe in ghosts, neither am I saying that I do not. But if I did, I would not feel the need to be on a mission to convince others anymore than I would feel the urge to disprove the opposite.

Either way, its time for a Bank holiday ghost chocolate

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

rational thought and logic are all is thats needed"

I tend to think in terms of logic and science myself, well most of the time. However, I would consider the world a poorer place if it entirely relied on those principles - there is so much more to life.

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over a year ago

There is practically no evidence for the supernatural. Einstein and Hawkings don't believe in it and they are two of the greatest minds of the last century.

Neither is there any evidence to the contrary

But the point is if you believe in something the burden of proof is on you.

dead right

you cant prove a negative.

if you cant see it,hear it,touch it,smell it,measure it,observe it,understand it,or verify it.......

worship it

i know thats more for religion,but the principle stands.the fact that the is no proof of ghosts pretty much says they aint there.

rational thought and logic are all is thats needed"

But what about when rational thought and logic can't explain something! I know what you mean about proof, which is why I am still undecided, but there are things that have happened to friends or that they have told me that I just cannot explain rationally x

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over a year ago

I was definitely an unbeliever. What I've seen over the years though has made me temper that and realise that there is more to it than meets the eye. There is definitely something to it. I lived in a previously Roman and Iron-age part of the city for many years; there was plenty of activity. I didn't believe in leylines until I took a pair of rods myself and dowsed them watching everyone elses cross at exactly the same spot.

To the ones that don't believe - watch out for the temperature suddenly dropping, and that sense of dread that goes with it....!

Wolf

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

There is practically no evidence for the supernatural. Einstein and Hawkings don't believe in it and they are two of the greatest minds of the last century.

Neither is there any evidence to the contrary

But the point is if you believe in something the burden of proof is on you.

dead right

you cant prove a negative.

if you cant see it,hear it,touch it,smell it,measure it,observe it,understand it,or verify it.......

worship it

i know thats more for religion,but the principle stands.the fact that the is no proof of ghosts pretty much says they aint there.

rational thought and logic are all is thats needed"

so, do you hold any religious belief?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Kodak camara has been around along time now and i have never seen a picture yet that convinces me that ghosts exsist

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

was babysiting for a couple a knew, many moons ago.

was sat watching tv when i heard the kid run to the bathroom.

i told her to hurry up and get back into bed, but heard nothing else, didnt even reply, so went up to make sure she was fine.

she was fast asleep in bed, nowhere near the bathroom, so i just put it down to hearing things.

turns out there is a little girl spirit lives with them and had done for many years (called mary, if memory serves me right) never babysat for them again as i shit myself.

also, Em believes there are things in her house.

the boys often see an old man in thier bedroom, and the other month she smelt cigerette smoke REALLY badly outside her bedroom door, so blamed her 2 eldest for smoking in the house, but they know better and had been in the garden while smoking.

the smell lingered for 2 days then just went, just long enough for her aunties birthday to pass (and she died of lung cancer, due to smoking).

not saying its true or not, but keep a very open mind, as there are things that science cannot explain alone, otherwise it would have done by now

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

"The Kodak camara has been around along time now and i have never seen a picture yet that convinces me that ghosts exsist"

google wem town hall jane churm.

most famous local ghost

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over a year ago

"The Kodak camara has been around along time now and i have never seen a picture yet that convinces me that ghosts exsist"

I had one walk through a fender twin once, and I thought the amp was a gonner, there was a huge bang, the sprung reverb line rang with shock and the pilot went out, even though it was switched on. After I'd turned it off and back on again, the amp worked just fine. The air around stank of ozone and nothing physically around that could have created it.

Steven Hawking said in the late 90's on a radio interview that "We shall now even have to consider the possibilities of ghosts".

Wolf

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I was wondering when science would raise his head in this thread

WARNING-ANIMAL LOVERS MAY WANT TO SKIP THE FOLLOWING THREAD

I once spoke to a scientist ( a retired professor lecturing physics at Cardiff uni) about the unexplained. He told me that during the 50's the Russians were heavily involved in occult research (like the Nazis had been during WW2) one of their most baffling experiments occurred when they took a litter of young rabbits to sea in a submarine, leaving their mother in a laboratory. At an allotted time and when they were about sixty miles and however many feet away from land they started culling the rabbits while observing the mother in the lab. She became distressed, very agitated and confused. Not a single Russian scientist of the day could explain why this happened. The lecturer didn't believe in ghosts or the supernatural but he was willing enough to admit there were things going on that he knew nothing about. There is a danger that we put too much faith in science. By it's very nature it is in a constant flux as theories are proven and then dis-proven. Science is also, in the grand scheme of things, rather in it's infancy.We know a lot but we simply don't know everything, even though it is safer and more comforting for us if we think that we have a hand in our own destinies, that we know how everything works and therefore we can control it. Damn, I only started the thread to see if anyone had any stories, experiences and i thank those who have and continue to share them. It was never my intention for it to turn into a "do ghosts exist? no they fucking don't" thread although I appreciate and respect everyone's opinion

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By *ady n the trampCouple
over a year ago

Chudleigh

"There is no such thing as ghosts. They are merely imaginations of an over-active mind that is easily impressionable.

What a crock of crap."

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over a year ago

"I have found that the people who do have these experiences are usually of ill health so I don't know if that has any impact on their ability to see what I can't?

That's a really interesting point, I've wondered about it loads myself too.

My dad was an Athiest and my mum was a Sunday school teacher lol! whenever my mum would talk to us kids about that stuff, my dad would always say 'bloody rubbish'

My dad had a bad breakdown at one point and during that period he disappeared for a couple of days and was found on a soapbox in Glasgow 'preaching!'

He only spoke of it once to me, years later but he said he had 'a Vision' a 'sign from God' ... when he was well again he stopped believing any of it again.

In the last few months of his life though, he kept getting distracted and 'seeing people' and chatting to 'people' noone else could see.

So... in times like this are we just 'closer' and able to see throught the veil?

Or is there something intergal to all of us that causes the same vision of something to do with hope?

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By *ovedupstillCouple
over a year ago

mullinwire

is it as we get older our minds are clouded by all the bullshit life throws at us?

as children we are innocent to the horrors that life has in store for us, so can see these things, as with when you get older and 'near the end' you leave those things behind as you no longer have to worry about whats going to happen, so again, your mind opens up to these things.

i mean, who is to say that a childs 'imaginary friend' is actually imaginary?

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over a year ago

stopped motorcycle near jamaca inn about 30 years ago,was not sure where i was(19 years old and not a clue) old guy walked past me in old clothing so i carried on looking at the map, looked back to ask directions and he had dissapeared ,where, i havent a clue as its totaly open, no trees just open moor (this place is really desolate) and i found out later this place has quite a reputation and i dont know to this day what i saw