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"When is an animal soo small that you no longer give a fuck what happens to it?" Clem I think you dropped this..... hands Clem a huge fuckoff wooden spoon  | |||
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"Ohhhhhh that’s a heavy question !!!!! They Weill be replying with even trees are animal as they breath and live !!!!! You’ve started trouble now !!! " the whole planet earth breaths and lives, seems not many give a fuck about it | |||
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"Ohhhhhh that’s a heavy question !!!!! They Weill be replying with even trees are animal as they breath and live !!!!! You’ve started trouble now !!! the whole planet earth breaths and lives, seems not many give a fuck about it "Very true , was just setting trees as an example | |||
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"Well, ok...I really don’t mean to attract any nasty responses with attitude but I have always wondered about this ‘vegan’ principle myself....so, it’s ok to eat plants because they don’t have eyes and heads and they don’t make a noise etc so it’s not murder. But fish don’t make a noise either.....so why is it not ok to eat them? Just sayin........." is it proven plants do not have feelings, aches, pains how do we really know, some may think but then some used to think the earth was flat ohhh wait, some still believe the earth is flat | |||
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"Soo....... any thoughts?" Where DO YOU draw the line All humans Non white humans Non intelligent humans Non human primates Non cute mammals Mammals other humans accept Why dont you kill cats dogs elephants koalas? We all have a line Put your spoon away start understanding and empathising and not stiring | |||
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"Why do people keep vegan bashing? Bullying and trying to humiliate people" who is vegan bashing?? I eat vegan food I eat veggie food I eat meat would probably eat human too if it was legal eat mostly anything digestible | |||
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"Ohhhhhh that’s a heavy question !!!!! They Weill be replying with even trees are animal as they breath and live !!!!! You’ve started trouble now !!! " It's not heavy or clever its ignorant non empathic and incendiary typical of an out voter | |||
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"Why do people keep vegan bashing? Bullying and trying to humiliate people who is vegan bashing?? I eat vegan food I eat veggie food I eat meat would probably eat human too if it was legal eat mostly anything digestible " Really You would kill humans for food | |||
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"Ohhhhhh that’s a heavy question !!!!! They Weill be replying with even trees are animal as they breath and live !!!!! You’ve started trouble now !!! It's not heavy or clever its ignorant non empathic and incendiary typical of an out voter " What's an "out voter"? | |||
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"Why do people keep vegan bashing? Bullying and trying to humiliate people who is vegan bashing?? I eat vegan food I eat veggie food I eat meat would probably eat human too if it was legal eat mostly anything digestible Really You would kill humans for food " On that note I'm reminded do not argue with trolls they drag you under their bridge and beat you with goat excrement and experience xxxx | |||
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"Ohhhhhh that’s a heavy question !!!!! They Weill be replying with even trees are animal as they breath and live !!!!! You’ve started trouble now !!! It's not heavy or clever its ignorant non empathic and incendiary typical of an out voter What's an "out voter"?" Google it | |||
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"Why do people keep vegan bashing? Bullying and trying to humiliate people who is vegan bashing?? I eat vegan food I eat veggie food I eat meat would probably eat human too if it was legal eat mostly anything digestible " I refuse to bash and humiliate anybody. This is a serious question on my part, which the gent above my own quote also asked. How do we know plants do not suffer when we chop them of rip them off the ground for food? They are living organisms after all.... | |||
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"Ohhhhhh that’s a heavy question !!!!! They Weill be replying with even trees are animal as they breath and live !!!!! You’ve started trouble now !!! It's not heavy or clever its ignorant non empathic and incendiary typical of an out voter What's an "out voter"? Google it" And who are you labelling as such? | |||
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"Would a vegan use Frontline on their cat for instance?" Some would and some would not posses such vile creatures Ate you trying to stereotype and generalise Sounds very ignorant to me | |||
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"Would a vegan use Frontline on their cat for instance?" Parasites are not good for a pets health. So it's valuing your pet of the parasite? I dare say pet comes first. But a Jain monk is the best person to ask they value ALL life. | |||
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"Would a vegan use Frontline on their cat for instance? Parasites are not good for a pets health. So it's valuing your pet of the parasite? I dare say pet comes first. But a Jain monk is the best person to ask they value ALL life. " I'm now going to stop feeding the troll good job I'm not his limited stereotype of vegan | |||
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"Would a vegan use Frontline on their cat for instance?" More to the point, would they feed it lettuce | |||
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"Would a vegan use Frontline on their cat for instance? More to the point, would they feed it lettuce" Ignorance is outstanding | |||
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"Would a vegan use Frontline on their cat for instance? Some would and some would not posses such vile creatures Ate you trying to stereotype and generalise Sounds very ignorant to me" Says Mr "out voter"... | |||
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"Would a vegan use Frontline on their cat for instance? Parasites are not good for a pets health. So it's valuing your pet of the parasite? I dare say pet comes first. But a Jain monk is the best person to ask they value ALL life. " Hmm, i wonder if they'd take an anti-viral.. | |||
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets." Surely bones were used for tools etc? | |||
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets." Ah, so the cave paintings were just their fantasies | |||
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets." Also i wouldn't confuse a plant based diet with a vegan diet. Chickens for example will live on corn, but they go crazy for worms! Protein is king. | |||
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"Would a vegan use Frontline on their cat for instance?" What's that? A heavy assault weapon? | |||
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets. Also i wouldn't confuse a plant based diet with a vegan diet. Chickens for example will live on corn, but they go crazy for worms! Protein is king. " Did you miss the first part of that post and just zeroed in on vegan? | |||
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"Well, ok...I really don’t mean to attract any nasty responses with attitude but I have always wondered about this ‘vegan’ principle myself....so, it’s ok to eat plants because they don’t have eyes and heads and they don’t make a noise etc so it’s not murder. But fish don’t make a noise either.....so why is it not ok to eat them? Just sayin......... is it proven plants do not have feelings, aches, pains how do we really know, some may think but then some used to think the earth was flat ohhh wait, some still believe the earth is flat "You know that smell you get when you cut your lawn? That is grass screaming  | |||
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets. Ah, so the cave paintings were just their fantasies "Just like modern day hunters like to share their kills, human nature to brag and boast. Which modern day times includes people posting pictures of every meal they have. Most of India also don't eat meat. Meat curries done with chicken and beef well wouldn't find that there. Outer parts maybe bit of goat in it but generally speaking humans don't need to eat animals | |||
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets. Also i wouldn't confuse a plant based diet with a vegan diet. Chickens for example will live on corn, but they go crazy for worms! Protein is king. Did you miss the first part of that post and just zeroed in on vegan?" Did you miss the bit about bones being used as tools. Im sure there were many uses. | |||
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"When is an animal soo small that you no longer give a fuck what happens to it?" When it looks like my ex husband | |||
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"I knowone has actually answered the ops question. Says alot really" I mean i brake for deer, but not for rats. And that's not just because one would right the car off... | |||
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"Why do people keep vegan bashing? Bullying and trying to humiliate people who is vegan bashing?? I eat vegan food I eat veggie food I eat meat would probably eat human too if it was legal eat mostly anything digestible Really You would kill humans for food On that note I'm reminded do not argue with trolls they drag you under their bridge and beat you with goat excrement and experience xxxx " Walk away before the trip trapping starts | |||
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets. Also i wouldn't confuse a plant based diet with a vegan diet. Chickens for example will live on corn, but they go crazy for worms! Protein is king. Did you miss the first part of that post and just zeroed in on vegan? Did you miss the bit about bones being used as tools. Im sure there were many uses. " Do you think archeologists miss that of course not bone tools are included but guess where broken bone tools would end up? It's not like some modern male with a tool shed full of 100 different screw drivers and 20 different saws. They use and replace each tool for its specific use they didn't have 10 of the same tool per person.  bone needles have been found, bone knives but you'll find most were made of rock more specifically slate as it was exceptionally sharp where as bones are not and they are incredibly weak.
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"I knowone has actually answered the ops question. Says alot really" Ask a Jain monk | |||
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets. Also i wouldn't confuse a plant based diet with a vegan diet. Chickens for example will live on corn, but they go crazy for worms! Protein is king. Did you miss the first part of that post and just zeroed in on vegan? Did you miss the bit about bones being used as tools. Im sure there were many uses. Do you think archeologists miss that of course not bone tools are included but guess where broken bone tools would end up? It's not like some modern male with a tool shed full of 100 different screw drivers and 20 different saws. They use and replace each tool for its specific use they didn't have 10 of the same tool per person. bone needles have been found, bone knives but you'll find most were made of rock more specifically slate as it was exceptionally sharp where as bones are not and they are incredibly weak.
Most bones were kept as accessories to garments and display of dominance. "Was slate available everywhere? No. Would animal waste have been burnt? Yes. Are most tools that survived made or rock? Yes.... i wonder why.... | |||
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"As far as I am concerned about vegans, live and let live. I don’t have time for Piers Morgan style bollocks...The only vegan I would ever proudly troll publicly would be that dickhead who said that artificially impregnating a cow in a farm is one and the same like r*ping a woman. It was actually on This Morning. on ITV. Errrr, I don’t fucking think so. Quadruped animal......female human on two legs with emotions and logic being sexually attacked.....NOT QUITE the same....attention-grabbing militant nonsense like that do nothing to persuade me to adopt a plant-based diet (which I actually already adopt anyway)." Cows have emotions, personalities and I'm quite sure it isn't pleasant having someone forcibly sticking their arm up their ass is nice. Ever seen a cow not want to breed with a bull. This is why farmers artificially inseminate because cows don't want to be impregnated all the time. But that doesn't suit the farmer. It's unnatural to keep going through pregnancies even wild animals dont | |||
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets. Also i wouldn't confuse a plant based diet with a vegan diet. Chickens for example will live on corn, but they go crazy for worms! Protein is king. Did you miss the first part of that post and just zeroed in on vegan? Did you miss the bit about bones being used as tools. Im sure there were many uses. Do you think archeologists miss that of course not bone tools are included but guess where broken bone tools would end up? It's not like some modern male with a tool shed full of 100 different screw drivers and 20 different saws. They use and replace each tool for its specific use they didn't have 10 of the same tool per person. bone needles have been found, bone knives but you'll find most were made of rock more specifically slate as it was exceptionally sharp where as bones are not and they are incredibly weak.
Most bones were kept as accessories to garments and display of dominance.
Was slate available everywhere? No. Would animal waste have been burnt? Yes. Are most tools that survived made or rock? Yes.... i wonder why.... "lol burnt early humans didn't have fire. It was later when the discovery of fire happened still early humans but 1000s of years without fire. Early humans were communal much like today's primates and even primates use tools. Other rocks were available besides slate and bone tools have been discovered but as I said it's disposal is generally the same. | |||
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"As far as I am concerned about vegans, live and let live. I don’t have time for Piers Morgan style bollocks...The only vegan I would ever proudly troll publicly would be that dickhead who said that artificially impregnating a cow in a farm is one and the same like r*ping a woman. It was actually on This Morning. on ITV. Errrr, I don’t fucking think so. Quadruped animal......female human on two legs with emotions and logic being sexually attacked.....NOT QUITE the same....attention-grabbing militant nonsense like that do nothing to persuade me to adopt a plant-based diet (which I actually already adopt anyway). Cows have emotions, personalities and I'm quite sure it isn't pleasant having someone forcibly sticking their arm up their ass is nice. Ever seen a cow not want to breed with a bull. This is why farmers artificially inseminate because cows don't want to be impregnated all the time. But that doesn't suit the farmer. It's unnatural to keep going through pregnancies even wild animals dont" Each to their own; for me the value of life of a woman is incomparably superior to the life of a cow. X | |||
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"As far as I am concerned about vegans, live and let live. I don’t have time for Piers Morgan style bollocks...The only vegan I would ever proudly troll publicly would be that dickhead who said that artificially impregnating a cow in a farm is one and the same like r*ping a woman. It was actually on This Morning. on ITV. Errrr, I don’t fucking think so. Quadruped animal......female human on two legs with emotions and logic being sexually attacked.....NOT QUITE the same....attention-grabbing militant nonsense like that do nothing to persuade me to adopt a plant-based diet (which I actually already adopt anyway). Cows have emotions, personalities and I'm quite sure it isn't pleasant having someone forcibly sticking their arm up their ass is nice. Ever seen a cow not want to breed with a bull. This is why farmers artificially inseminate because cows don't want to be impregnated all the time. But that doesn't suit the farmer. It's unnatural to keep going through pregnancies even wild animals dont Each to their own; for me the value of life of a woman is incomparably superior to the life of a cow. X" and in other cultures the cow is sacred and is valued more than a human Some practices aren't necessary unless wealth and greed come into it. More cows more meat increased production so much it's inhumane. | |||
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"I am learning so much on this thread but no one seems to be able to commit on how big an animal needs to be before you start giving a fuck about it’s welfare" It isn't so much as considering its welfare but the suffering thats caused. So if you had a rat and you tortured it you would be done for abuse of an animal because you caused it unnecessary suffering. Same with fish. So legally speaking it would be most insects. Wild specifically because you can't be arrested for pulling legs of house spiders. But if you destroy an apiary you can be done for damage to the bee colony. So where does the morals lie and the law? Happy? | |||
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets. Also i wouldn't confuse a plant based diet with a vegan diet. Chickens for example will live on corn, but they go crazy for worms! Protein is king. Did you miss the first part of that post and just zeroed in on vegan? Did you miss the bit about bones being used as tools. Im sure there were many uses. Do you think archeologists miss that of course not bone tools are included but guess where broken bone tools would end up? It's not like some modern male with a tool shed full of 100 different screw drivers and 20 different saws. They use and replace each tool for its specific use they didn't have 10 of the same tool per person. bone needles have been found, bone knives but you'll find most were made of rock more specifically slate as it was exceptionally sharp where as bones are not and they are incredibly weak.
Most bones were kept as accessories to garments and display of dominance.
Was slate available everywhere? No. Would animal waste have been burnt? Yes. Are most tools that survived made or rock? Yes.... i wonder why.... lol burnt early humans didn't have fire. It was later when the discovery of fire happened still early humans but 1000s of years without fire.
Early humans were communal much like today's primates and even primates use tools.
Other rocks were available besides slate and bone tools have been discovered but as I said it's disposal is generally the same."Sounds to me like your mind has become closed to reasoning. | |||
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets. Also i wouldn't confuse a plant based diet with a vegan diet. Chickens for example will live on corn, but they go crazy for worms! Protein is king. Did you miss the first part of that post and just zeroed in on vegan? Did you miss the bit about bones being used as tools. Im sure there were many uses. Do you think archeologists miss that of course not bone tools are included but guess where broken bone tools would end up? It's not like some modern male with a tool shed full of 100 different screw drivers and 20 different saws. They use and replace each tool for its specific use they didn't have 10 of the same tool per person. bone needles have been found, bone knives but you'll find most were made of rock more specifically slate as it was exceptionally sharp where as bones are not and they are incredibly weak.
Most bones were kept as accessories to garments and display of dominance.
Was slate available everywhere? No. Would animal waste have been burnt? Yes. Are most tools that survived made or rock? Yes.... i wonder why.... lol burnt early humans didn't have fire. It was later when the discovery of fire happened still early humans but 1000s of years without fire.
Early humans were communal much like today's primates and even primates use tools.
Other rocks were available besides slate and bone tools have been discovered but as I said it's disposal is generally the same.
Sounds to me like your mind has become closed to reasoning. "I can't see how you think that. I'm just going by evolution and how humans modernised of the millennias. Primates eat meat but it's usually that of other primates battles between troops. Occasionally other animals yet considering their dental structure you'd say their diet would mainly be meat. Dental structure has been argued by many that humans main diet was meat. Proof being the hippo, canines and sharp molars doesn't make you a meat eater | |||
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets. Also i wouldn't confuse a plant based diet with a vegan diet. Chickens for example will live on corn, but they go crazy for worms! Protein is king. Did you miss the first part of that post and just zeroed in on vegan? Did you miss the bit about bones being used as tools. Im sure there were many uses. Do you think archeologists miss that of course not bone tools are included but guess where broken bone tools would end up? It's not like some modern male with a tool shed full of 100 different screw drivers and 20 different saws. They use and replace each tool for its specific use they didn't have 10 of the same tool per person. bone needles have been found, bone knives but you'll find most were made of rock more specifically slate as it was exceptionally sharp where as bones are not and they are incredibly weak.
Most bones were kept as accessories to garments and display of dominance.
Was slate available everywhere? No. Would animal waste have been burnt? Yes. Are most tools that survived made or rock? Yes.... i wonder why.... lol burnt early humans didn't have fire. It was later when the discovery of fire happened still early humans but 1000s of years without fire.
Early humans were communal much like today's primates and even primates use tools.
Other rocks were available besides slate and bone tools have been discovered but as I said it's disposal is generally the same.
Sounds to me like your mind has become closed to reasoning.
I can't see how you think that. I'm just going by evolution and how humans modernised of the millennias. Primates eat meat but it's usually that of other primates battles between troops. Occasionally other animals yet considering their dental structure you'd say their diet would mainly be meat. Dental structure has been argued by many that humans main diet was meat.
Proof being the hippo, canines and sharp molars doesn't make you a meat eater "Hippos are omnivorous | |||
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets. Also i wouldn't confuse a plant based diet with a vegan diet. Chickens for example will live on corn, but they go crazy for worms! Protein is king. Did you miss the first part of that post and just zeroed in on vegan? Did you miss the bit about bones being used as tools. Im sure there were many uses. Do you think archeologists miss that of course not bone tools are included but guess where broken bone tools would end up? It's not like some modern male with a tool shed full of 100 different screw drivers and 20 different saws. They use and replace each tool for its specific use they didn't have 10 of the same tool per person. bone needles have been found, bone knives but you'll find most were made of rock more specifically slate as it was exceptionally sharp where as bones are not and they are incredibly weak.
Most bones were kept as accessories to garments and display of dominance.
Was slate available everywhere? No. Would animal waste have been burnt? Yes. Are most tools that survived made or rock? Yes.... i wonder why.... lol burnt early humans didn't have fire. It was later when the discovery of fire happened still early humans but 1000s of years without fire.
Early humans were communal much like today's primates and even primates use tools.
Other rocks were available besides slate and bone tools have been discovered but as I said it's disposal is generally the same.
Sounds to me like your mind has become closed to reasoning.
I can't see how you think that. I'm just going by evolution and how humans modernised of the millennias. Primates eat meat but it's usually that of other primates battles between troops. Occasionally other animals yet considering their dental structure you'd say their diet would mainly be meat. Dental structure has been argued by many that humans main diet was meat.
Proof being the hippo, canines and sharp molars doesn't make you a meat eater
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets. Also i wouldn't confuse a plant based diet with a vegan diet. Chickens for example will live on corn, but they go crazy for worms! Protein is king. Did you miss the first part of that post and just zeroed in on vegan? Did you miss the bit about bones being used as tools. Im sure there were many uses. Do you think archeologists miss that of course not bone tools are included but guess where broken bone tools would end up? It's not like some modern male with a tool shed full of 100 different screw drivers and 20 different saws. They use and replace each tool for its specific use they didn't have 10 of the same tool per person. bone needles have been found, bone knives but you'll find most were made of rock more specifically slate as it was exceptionally sharp where as bones are not and they are incredibly weak.
Most bones were kept as accessories to garments and display of dominance.
Was slate available everywhere? No. Would animal waste have been burnt? Yes. Are most tools that survived made or rock? Yes.... i wonder why.... lol burnt early humans didn't have fire. It was later when the discovery of fire happened still early humans but 1000s of years without fire.
Early humans were communal much like today's primates and even primates use tools.
Other rocks were available besides slate and bone tools have been discovered but as I said it's disposal is generally the same.
Sounds to me like your mind has become closed to reasoning.
I can't see how you think that. I'm just going by evolution and how humans modernised of the millennias. Primates eat meat but it's usually that of other primates battles between troops. Occasionally other animals yet considering their dental structure you'd say their diet would mainly be meat. Dental structure has been argued by many that humans main diet was meat.
Proof being the hippo, canines and sharp molars doesn't make you a meat eater "No, but having ancesters that have eaten meat for 100s of thousands of years does. I eat a balanced diet of meat, fish, fruit, vegs, nuts etc. Not each one every day, just what I feel like or my body says I need. Our ancesters would have esten in a similar way, but based on what was available. | |||
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets. Also i wouldn't confuse a plant based diet with a vegan diet. Chickens for example will live on corn, but they go crazy for worms! Protein is king. Did you miss the first part of that post and just zeroed in on vegan? Did you miss the bit about bones being used as tools. Im sure there were many uses. Do you think archeologists miss that of course not bone tools are included but guess where broken bone tools would end up? It's not like some modern male with a tool shed full of 100 different screw drivers and 20 different saws. They use and replace each tool for its specific use they didn't have 10 of the same tool per person. bone needles have been found, bone knives but you'll find most were made of rock more specifically slate as it was exceptionally sharp where as bones are not and they are incredibly weak.
Most bones were kept as accessories to garments and display of dominance.
Was slate available everywhere? No. Would animal waste have been burnt? Yes. Are most tools that survived made or rock? Yes.... i wonder why.... lol burnt early humans didn't have fire. It was later when the discovery of fire happened still early humans but 1000s of years without fire.
Early humans were communal much like today's primates and even primates use tools.
Other rocks were available besides slate and bone tools have been discovered but as I said it's disposal is generally the same.
Sounds to me like your mind has become closed to reasoning.
I can't see how you think that. I'm just going by evolution and how humans modernised of the millennias. Primates eat meat but it's usually that of other primates battles between troops. Occasionally other animals yet considering their dental structure you'd say their diet would mainly be meat. Dental structure has been argued by many that humans main diet was meat.
Proof being the hippo, canines and sharp molars doesn't make you a meat eater
Hippos are omnivorous
Theyre herbivores main diet is grass"Hippos eat meat. They are omnivores | |||
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets. Also i wouldn't confuse a plant based diet with a vegan diet. Chickens for example will live on corn, but they go crazy for worms! Protein is king. Did you miss the first part of that post and just zeroed in on vegan? Did you miss the bit about bones being used as tools. Im sure there were many uses. Do you think archeologists miss that of course not bone tools are included but guess where broken bone tools would end up? It's not like some modern male with a tool shed full of 100 different screw drivers and 20 different saws. They use and replace each tool for its specific use they didn't have 10 of the same tool per person. bone needles have been found, bone knives but you'll find most were made of rock more specifically slate as it was exceptionally sharp where as bones are not and they are incredibly weak.
Most bones were kept as accessories to garments and display of dominance.
Was slate available everywhere? No. Would animal waste have been burnt? Yes. Are most tools that survived made or rock? Yes.... i wonder why.... lol burnt early humans didn't have fire. It was later when the discovery of fire happened still early humans but 1000s of years without fire.
Early humans were communal much like today's primates and even primates use tools.
Other rocks were available besides slate and bone tools have been discovered but as I said it's disposal is generally the same.
Sounds to me like your mind has become closed to reasoning.
I can't see how you think that. I'm just going by evolution and how humans modernised of the millennias. Primates eat meat but it's usually that of other primates battles between troops. Occasionally other animals yet considering their dental structure you'd say their diet would mainly be meat. Dental structure has been argued by many that humans main diet was meat.
Proof being the hippo, canines and sharp molars doesn't make you a meat eater
No, but having ancesters that have eaten meat for 100s of thousands of years does. I eat a balanced diet of meat, fish, fruit, vegs, nuts etc. Not each one every day, just what I feel like or my body says I need.
Our ancesters would have esten in a similar way, but based on what was available."I haven't said they didn't eat meat, I said it wasn't their main diet. Bit like the part time vegetarians who eat meat once a month or so and the like. Do you think they would say they were more vegetarian? | |||
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets. Also i wouldn't confuse a plant based diet with a vegan diet. Chickens for example will live on corn, but they go crazy for worms! Protein is king. Did you miss the first part of that post and just zeroed in on vegan? Did you miss the bit about bones being used as tools. Im sure there were many uses. Do you think archeologists miss that of course not bone tools are included but guess where broken bone tools would end up? It's not like some modern male with a tool shed full of 100 different screw drivers and 20 different saws. They use and replace each tool for its specific use they didn't have 10 of the same tool per person. bone needles have been found, bone knives but you'll find most were made of rock more specifically slate as it was exceptionally sharp where as bones are not and they are incredibly weak.
Most bones were kept as accessories to garments and display of dominance.
Was slate available everywhere? No. Would animal waste have been burnt? Yes. Are most tools that survived made or rock? Yes.... i wonder why.... lol burnt early humans didn't have fire. It was later when the discovery of fire happened still early humans but 1000s of years without fire.
Early humans were communal much like today's primates and even primates use tools.
Other rocks were available besides slate and bone tools have been discovered but as I said it's disposal is generally the same.
Sounds to me like your mind has become closed to reasoning.
I can't see how you think that. I'm just going by evolution and how humans modernised of the millennias. Primates eat meat but it's usually that of other primates battles between troops. Occasionally other animals yet considering their dental structure you'd say their diet would mainly be meat. Dental structure has been argued by many that humans main diet was meat.
Proof being the hippo, canines and sharp molars doesn't make you a meat eater
Hippos are omnivorous
Theyre herbivores main diet is grass
Hippos eat meat. They are omnivores"I don't suppose you read much since school, but I learnt about hippo diet while in school. Their main diet is grass occasionally will eat fruit, and occasionally aquatic plants. In captivity they eat the vegetables given to them. They don't eat fish and they don't eat other animals. They will kill them but they won't eat them. | |||
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets. Also i wouldn't confuse a plant based diet with a vegan diet. Chickens for example will live on corn, but they go crazy for worms! Protein is king. Did you miss the first part of that post and just zeroed in on vegan? Did you miss the bit about bones being used as tools. Im sure there were many uses. Do you think archeologists miss that of course not bone tools are included but guess where broken bone tools would end up? It's not like some modern male with a tool shed full of 100 different screw drivers and 20 different saws. They use and replace each tool for its specific use they didn't have 10 of the same tool per person. bone needles have been found, bone knives but you'll find most were made of rock more specifically slate as it was exceptionally sharp where as bones are not and they are incredibly weak.
Most bones were kept as accessories to garments and display of dominance.
Was slate available everywhere? No. Would animal waste have been burnt? Yes. Are most tools that survived made or rock? Yes.... i wonder why.... lol burnt early humans didn't have fire. It was later when the discovery of fire happened still early humans but 1000s of years without fire.
Early humans were communal much like today's primates and even primates use tools.
Other rocks were available besides slate and bone tools have been discovered but as I said it's disposal is generally the same.
Sounds to me like your mind has become closed to reasoning.
I can't see how you think that. I'm just going by evolution and how humans modernised of the millennias. Primates eat meat but it's usually that of other primates battles between troops. Occasionally other animals yet considering their dental structure you'd say their diet would mainly be meat. Dental structure has been argued by many that humans main diet was meat.
Proof being the hippo, canines and sharp molars doesn't make you a meat eater
Hippos are omnivorous
Theyre herbivores main diet is grass
Hippos eat meat. They are omnivores
I don't suppose you read much since school, but I learnt about hippo diet while in school. Their main diet is grass occasionally will eat fruit, and occasionally aquatic plants. In captivity they eat the vegetables given to them. They don't eat fish and they don't eat other animals. They will kill them but they won't eat them."Quick google search of “do hippos eat meat” proves you wrong. Hope this helps. Learn to receive more than you transmit. You’ll be much happier and therefore be less likely to make yourself look like a wally on the internet. Good night | |||
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets. Also i wouldn't confuse a plant based diet with a vegan diet. Chickens for example will live on corn, but they go crazy for worms! Protein is king. Did you miss the first part of that post and just zeroed in on vegan? Did you miss the bit about bones being used as tools. Im sure there were many uses. Do you think archeologists miss that of course not bone tools are included but guess where broken bone tools would end up? It's not like some modern male with a tool shed full of 100 different screw drivers and 20 different saws. They use and replace each tool for its specific use they didn't have 10 of the same tool per person. bone needles have been found, bone knives but you'll find most were made of rock more specifically slate as it was exceptionally sharp where as bones are not and they are incredibly weak.
Most bones were kept as accessories to garments and display of dominance.
Was slate available everywhere? No. Would animal waste have been burnt? Yes. Are most tools that survived made or rock? Yes.... i wonder why.... lol burnt early humans didn't have fire. It was later when the discovery of fire happened still early humans but 1000s of years without fire.
Early humans were communal much like today's primates and even primates use tools.
Other rocks were available besides slate and bone tools have been discovered but as I said it's disposal is generally the same.
Sounds to me like your mind has become closed to reasoning.
I can't see how you think that. I'm just going by evolution and how humans modernised of the millennias. Primates eat meat but it's usually that of other primates battles between troops. Occasionally other animals yet considering their dental structure you'd say their diet would mainly be meat. Dental structure has been argued by many that humans main diet was meat.
Proof being the hippo, canines and sharp molars doesn't make you a meat eater
Hippos are omnivorous
Theyre herbivores main diet is grass
Hippos eat meat. They are omnivores
I don't suppose you read much since school, but I learnt about hippo diet while in school. Their main diet is grass occasionally will eat fruit, and occasionally aquatic plants. In captivity they eat the vegetables given to them. They don't eat fish and they don't eat other animals. They will kill them but they won't eat them.
Quick google search of “do hippos eat meat” proves you wrong. Hope this helps. Learn to receive more than you transmit. You’ll be much happier and therefore be less likely to make yourself look like a wally on the internet. Good night "Googled copied and pasted Note aberrant behaviour. Do I need to Google that for you too. On occasion, hippos have been filmed eating carrion, usually near the water. There are other reports of meat-eating, and even cannibalism and predation. The stomach anatomy of a hippo is not suited to carnivory, and meat-eating is likely caused by aberrant behaviour or nutritional stress. | |||
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"“They will kill them but won’t eat them” Thanks for coming "It's the deadliest land mammal that happens to be a herbivore. Herbivores aren't all gentle beasts they aren't like rabbits but if a rabbit was big enough would probably kill a few people too. | |||
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"“They will kill them but won’t eat them” Thanks for coming
It's the deadliest land mammal that happens to be a herbivore. Herbivores aren't all gentle beasts they aren't like rabbits but if a rabbit was big enough would probably kill a few people too. "Such an odd way of saying “You’re right DG, I got it wrong” | |||
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets. Also i wouldn't confuse a plant based diet with a vegan diet. Chickens for example will live on corn, but they go crazy for worms! Protein is king. Did you miss the first part of that post and just zeroed in on vegan? Did you miss the bit about bones being used as tools. Im sure there were many uses. Do you think archeologists miss that of course not bone tools are included but guess where broken bone tools would end up? It's not like some modern male with a tool shed full of 100 different screw drivers and 20 different saws. They use and replace each tool for its specific use they didn't have 10 of the same tool per person. bone needles have been found, bone knives but you'll find most were made of rock more specifically slate as it was exceptionally sharp where as bones are not and they are incredibly weak.
Most bones were kept as accessories to garments and display of dominance.
Was slate available everywhere? No. Would animal waste have been burnt? Yes. Are most tools that survived made or rock? Yes.... i wonder why.... lol burnt early humans didn't have fire. It was later when the discovery of fire happened still early humans but 1000s of years without fire.
Early humans were communal much like today's primates and even primates use tools.
Other rocks were available besides slate and bone tools have been discovered but as I said it's disposal is generally the same.
Sounds to me like your mind has become closed to reasoning.
I can't see how you think that. I'm just going by evolution and how humans modernised of the millennias. Primates eat meat but it's usually that of other primates battles between troops. Occasionally other animals yet considering their dental structure you'd say their diet would mainly be meat. Dental structure has been argued by many that humans main diet was meat.
Proof being the hippo, canines and sharp molars doesn't make you a meat eater
Hippos are omnivorous
Theyre herbivores main diet is grass
Hippos eat meat. They are omnivores
I don't suppose you read much since school, but I learnt about hippo diet while in school. Their main diet is grass occasionally will eat fruit, and occasionally aquatic plants. In captivity they eat the vegetables given to them. They don't eat fish and they don't eat other animals. They will kill them but they won't eat them.
Quick google search of “do hippos eat meat” proves you wrong. Hope this helps. Learn to receive more than you transmit. You’ll be much happier and therefore be less likely to make yourself look like a wally on the internet. Good night "Not my search Wiki for you Hippos leave the water at dusk and travel inland, sometimes up to 15 km (9 mi),[28] to graze on short grasses, their main source of food. They spend four to five hours grazing and can consume 68 kg (150 lb) of grass each night.[70] Like most herbivores, hippos consume other plants if presented with them, but their diet in nature consists almost entirely of grass, with only minimal consumption of aquatic plants.[71] Hippos are born with sterile intestines, and require bacteria obtained from their mothers' feces to digest vegetation.[72] On occasion, hippos have been filmed eating carrion, usually near the water. There are other reports of meat-eating, and even cannibalism and predation.[73] The stomach anatomy of a hippo is not suited to carnivory, and meat-eating is likely caused by aberrant behaviour or nutritional stress.[8]:84 | |||
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"“They will kill them but won’t eat them” Thanks for coming
It's the deadliest land mammal that happens to be a herbivore. Herbivores aren't all gentle beasts they aren't like rabbits but if a rabbit was big enough would probably kill a few people too.
Such an odd way of saying “You’re right DG, I got it wrong”"Learn something new every day. A quick google search and there are several stories on this. Not that commonly understood at present but our knowledge of hippos may not be as great as we think it is. | |||
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"As far as I am concerned about vegans, live and let live. I don’t have time for Piers Morgan style bollocks...The only vegan I would ever proudly troll publicly would be that dickhead who said that artificially impregnating a cow in a farm is one and the same like r*ping a woman. It was actually on This Morning. on ITV. Errrr, I don’t fucking think so. Quadruped animal......female human on two legs with emotions and logic being sexually attacked.....NOT QUITE the same....attention-grabbing militant nonsense like that do nothing to persuade me to adopt a plant-based diet (which I actually already adopt anyway). Cows have emotions, personalities and I'm quite sure it isn't pleasant having someone forcibly sticking their arm up their ass is nice. Ever seen a cow not want to breed with a bull. This is why farmers artificially inseminate because cows don't want to be impregnated all the time. But that doesn't suit the farmer. It's unnatural to keep going through pregnancies even wild animals dont"
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"“They will kill them but won’t eat them” Thanks for coming
It's the deadliest land mammal that happens to be a herbivore. Herbivores aren't all gentle beasts they aren't like rabbits but if a rabbit was big enough would probably kill a few people too.
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"As far as I am concerned about vegans, live and let live. I don’t have time for Piers Morgan style bollocks...The only vegan I would ever proudly troll publicly would be that dickhead who said that artificially impregnating a cow in a farm is one and the same like r*ping a woman. It was actually on This Morning. on ITV. Errrr, I don’t fucking think so. Quadruped animal......female human on two legs with emotions and logic being sexually attacked.....NOT QUITE the same....attention-grabbing militant nonsense like that do nothing to persuade me to adopt a plant-based diet (which I actually already adopt anyway). Cows have emotions, personalities and I'm quite sure it isn't pleasant having someone forcibly sticking their arm up their ass is nice. Ever seen a cow not want to breed with a bull. This is why farmers artificially inseminate because cows don't want to be impregnated all the time. But that doesn't suit the farmer. It's unnatural to keep going through pregnancies even wild animals dont
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"As far as I am concerned about vegans, live and let live. I don’t have time for Piers Morgan style bollocks...The only vegan I would ever proudly troll publicly would be that dickhead who said that artificially impregnating a cow in a farm is one and the same like r*ping a woman. It was actually on This Morning. on ITV. Errrr, I don’t fucking think so. Quadruped animal......female human on two legs with emotions and logic being sexually attacked.....NOT QUITE the same....attention-grabbing militant nonsense like that do nothing to persuade me to adopt a plant-based diet (which I actually already adopt anyway). Cows have emotions, personalities and I'm quite sure it isn't pleasant having someone forcibly sticking their arm up their ass is nice. Ever seen a cow not want to breed with a bull. This is why farmers artificially inseminate because cows don't want to be impregnated all the time. But that doesn't suit the farmer. It's unnatural to keep going through pregnancies even wild animals dont
What a load of bollocks! A cow has to be bulling before you AI it. .."Don't you mean a load of bullocks | |||
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"Well, ok...I really don’t mean to attract any nasty responses with attitude but I have always wondered about this ‘vegan’ principle myself....so, it’s ok to eat plants because they don’t have eyes and heads and they don’t make a noise etc so it’s not murder. But fish don’t make a noise either.....so why is it not ok to eat them? Just sayin........." Why dont you eat cat or dog Thing the ignorant need to understand just like those who choose to eat some animals those who dont choose to eat those animals have a wide ranging number of reasons why What is it with some who think they know all about a person's diet morality and boundaries from one small label I eat an omnivorous diet Beyond that and what I MAY tell someone you have no idea about my food consumption motives Same goes with vegetarians and vegans We have an outline of their intentions however there most certainly is not a rule book that anyone must or should follow beyond their personal level of reasoning and conscious The haters seem to look for and glory in potential hypocrisy seriously I'd suggest every one of us looks introspectively first as if anyone thinks they do not practice hypocrisy they are most likely very much mistaken As for some of you haters How many slugs do you eat a week ? Rats moles I recomend a slug bat and cat mixed grill ? Why do most meat eaters NOT eat these lovely meat products Because you dont feel you want to and that's a reasonable position to hold you hypocrites 
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"I've never told anyone they shouldn't eat meat. I argue that meat should at least be humanely produced. Same as eggs and milk production. I never buy battery farmed eggs and I try to make sure any egg containing product is free range. I rarely consume milk products besides cheese. I give people information that it's not necessary to eat meat everyday let alone 3 times a day, 2 days a week and a fish day is ample. Vegetarianism or veganism aren't perfect diets. It's about balance too much cake is bad but hey no animal product then it's still vegan. If people respected the life they consume and appreciated it's a life and making sure it was humanely brought to your table who can argue what you eat. People see packs of meat in the freezers and they don't even know the life it was it's faceless. If people had to slaughter the animal themselves and butcher it themselves not many would actually keep killing them to eat it. Just because it's brought to you in packaging don't forget what it goes through to get there. Source local vetted farms for your meat source and local slaughterhouses, know it's lived happy healthy life before it is humanely slaughtered. Mass slaughterhouses aren't humane nor is the travelling animals endure to get there. In coming years the sustainability of meat trade will plummet and focus will be on another protein source. If you can stomach the idea of cricket burgers you'll do ok. It has a smaller carbon footprint and can be bred on a mass scale in a small area. Price of meat will hike and government subsidised funding will disappear so for a small steak could potentially cost £100. Meat will be scarce because of affordability. As will any current animal product in this country. " Sounds very reasonable balanced and articulate to me | |||
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"I think it’s a safe question as I have met a vegan yet who has an opinion on it and likes to talk about being a vegan "Ever noticed how you have rarely met a non vegan who as you say who has an opinion on it and likes to talk about being a non vegan AND talk about what they think of vegans | |||
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"Oh don't cristise veganism,you'll have an army of them hunting you down haha" It's not a criticism. I often eat a vegan diet myself. But im not "all the way vegan". For those who follow it as a religion or philosophy, it's an easy question to answer, "How small, before you stop caring?" | |||
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"I think it’s a safe question as I have met a vegan yet who has an opinion on it and likes to talk about being a vegan "What did you have with your rat and dog stew last night ? Mole eyes perhaps ? | |||
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"I think it’s a safe question as I have met a vegan yet who has an opinion on it and likes to talk about being a vegan
What did you have with your rat and dog stew last night ?
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"I've never told anyone they shouldn't eat meat. I argue that meat should at least be humanely produced. Same as eggs and milk production. I never buy battery farmed eggs and I try to make sure any egg containing product is free range. I rarely consume milk products besides cheese. I give people information that it's not necessary to eat meat everyday let alone 3 times a day, 2 days a week and a fish day is ample. Vegetarianism or veganism aren't perfect diets. It's about balance too much cake is bad but hey no animal product then it's still vegan. If people respected the life they consume and appreciated it's a life and making sure it was humanely brought to your table who can argue what you eat. People see packs of meat in the freezers and they don't even know the life it was it's faceless. If people had to slaughter the animal themselves and butcher it themselves not many would actually keep killing them to eat it. Just because it's brought to you in packaging don't forget what it goes through to get there. Source local vetted farms for your meat source and local slaughterhouses, know it's lived happy healthy life before it is humanely slaughtered. Mass slaughterhouses aren't humane nor is the travelling animals endure to get there. In coming years the sustainability of meat trade will plummet and focus will be on another protein source. If you can stomach the idea of cricket burgers you'll do ok. It has a smaller carbon footprint and can be bred on a mass scale in a small area. Price of meat will hike and government subsidised funding will disappear so for a small steak could potentially cost £100. Meat will be scarce because of affordability. As will any current animal product in this country. Sounds very reasonable balanced and articulate to me "Yes it's all about pricing luxury items away from the masses. | |||
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"I've never told anyone they shouldn't eat meat. I argue that meat should at least be humanely produced. Same as eggs and milk production. I never buy battery farmed eggs and I try to make sure any egg containing product is free range. I rarely consume milk products besides cheese. I give people information that it's not necessary to eat meat everyday let alone 3 times a day, 2 days a week and a fish day is ample. Vegetarianism or veganism aren't perfect diets. It's about balance too much cake is bad but hey no animal product then it's still vegan. If people respected the life they consume and appreciated it's a life and making sure it was humanely brought to your table who can argue what you eat. People see packs of meat in the freezers and they don't even know the life it was it's faceless. If people had to slaughter the animal themselves and butcher it themselves not many would actually keep killing them to eat it. Just because it's brought to you in packaging don't forget what it goes through to get there. Source local vetted farms for your meat source and local slaughterhouses, know it's lived happy healthy life before it is humanely slaughtered. Mass slaughterhouses aren't humane nor is the travelling animals endure to get there. In coming years the sustainability of meat trade will plummet and focus will be on another protein source. If you can stomach the idea of cricket burgers you'll do ok. It has a smaller carbon footprint and can be bred on a mass scale in a small area. Price of meat will hike and government subsidised funding will disappear so for a small steak could potentially cost £100. Meat will be scarce because of affordability. As will any current animal product in this country. Sounds very reasonable balanced and articulate to me "I agree but then again I have been both vegetarian and vegan. Now I’ll have organic meat perhaps once a week. I enjoy it more and it tastes good. There’s definitely something not right when Kilo for kilo meat is cheaper in some shops than vegetables. | |||
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It was in reference to the OP how do you decide what meat you're not going to eat "The op didn't mention consumption of meat if you'd bothered to read it.. | |||
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"When is an animal soo small that you no longer give a fuck what happens to it? Clem ....... we need a definition of vegan. I'd call me a 99.9% plant based food eater. I'd eat road kill. I'd eat healthy died a natural death things. I give a fuck about microbes okay? When coronavirus comes my way i'm opening a vein to let it in. One of the statements above is a lie. I would not harm a living thing just for the whim of a taste. I detest farming. I use sanitiser.... oops .... " I'd agree with your definition point however You have defined you I think every vegan would define themselves rightly or not, differently I'd suggest that's where non vegan conflicts confusions occur they try to project one vegan they know or an internet representation of vegan as THE version all should or do adhere to | |||
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"When is an animal soo small that you no longer give a fuck what happens to it? Clem ....... we need a definition of vegan. I'd call me a 99.9% plant based food eater. I'd eat road kill. I'd eat healthy died a natural death things. I give a fuck about microbes okay? When coronavirus comes my way i'm opening a vein to let it in. One of the statements above is a lie. I would not harm a living thing just for the whim of a taste. I detest farming. I use sanitiser.... oops .... I'd agree with your definition point however You have defined you I think every vegan would define themselves rightly or not, differently I'd suggest that's where non vegan conflicts confusions occur they try to project one vegan they know or an internet representation of vegan as THE version all should or do adhere to " Hence the question... | |||
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"When is an animal soo small that you no longer give a fuck what happens to it? Clem ....... we need a definition of vegan. I'd call me a 99.9% plant based food eater. I'd eat road kill. I'd eat healthy died a natural death things. I give a fuck about microbes okay? When coronavirus comes my way i'm opening a vein to let it in. One of the statements above is a lie. I would not harm a living thing just for the whim of a taste. I detest farming. I use sanitiser.... oops .... I'd agree with your definition point however You have defined you I think every vegan would define themselves rightly or not, differently I'd suggest that's where non vegan conflicts confusions occur they try to project one vegan they know or an internet representation of vegan as THE version all should or do adhere to Hence the question..." But why only to vegans ? The question crosses the omnivorous spectrum | |||
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"As far as I am concerned about vegans, live and let live. I don’t have time for Piers Morgan style bollocks...The only vegan I would ever proudly troll publicly would be that dickhead who said that artificially impregnating a cow in a farm is one and the same like r*ping a woman. It was actually on This Morning. on ITV. Errrr, I don’t fucking think so. Quadruped animal......female human on two legs with emotions and logic being sexually attacked.....NOT QUITE the same....attention-grabbing militant nonsense like that do nothing to persuade me to adopt a plant-based diet (which I actually already adopt anyway)." Do cows not have emotions ? Do they not like to forage and make companions and look after their young ? Are they meant to live in a box too small to turn around in and to stand for ever where they shit and piss and to be artificially inseminated to be constantly pregnant so they can give milk and to eat artificial food that fattens them and is cheap and to have some blokes arm stuck up their cunt every year so they can stay 24/7 pregnant ? All cows are a part of a machine. Be blind if you want. | |||
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"When is an animal soo small that you no longer give a fuck what happens to it? Clem ....... we need a definition of vegan. I'd call me a 99.9% plant based food eater. I'd eat road kill. I'd eat healthy died a natural death things. I give a fuck about microbes okay? When coronavirus comes my way i'm opening a vein to let it in. One of the statements above is a lie. I would not harm a living thing just for the whim of a taste. I detest farming. I use sanitiser.... oops .... I'd agree with your definition point however You have defined you I think every vegan would define themselves rightly or not, differently I'd suggest that's where non vegan conflicts confusions occur they try to project one vegan they know or an internet representation of vegan as THE version all should or do adhere to Hence the question... But why only to vegans ? The question crosses the omnivorous spectrum " Id expect most people to use an anti-flea drug on a pet, or use anti bacterial/viral products. So yes it is a valid question. Most people are only concerned with things that are "furry". Im only interested in when a vegan might draw the line. You're more than welcome to start your own thread with your question. | |||
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"Why can't everyone just eat what they want in peace? Without preaching from both sides. It's not hard to mind your business " Because a generalised view of vegans is they (all?) Dont want to be responsible for harming any creature with a nervous system Thus some like to play playground and point out imaginary hypocrisy when a person trying to be or claims to be vegan breaks or contradicts an imaginary percieved "golden rule" By harming something considered moving , animal or experience pain Sperm,bacteria, insects It's very yawn | |||
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"Oh don't cristise veganism,you'll have an army of them hunting you down haha It's not a criticism. I often eat a vegan diet myself. But im not "all the way vegan". For those who follow it as a religion or philosophy, it's an easy question to answer, "How small, before you stop caring?" I answered it last night I am learning so much on this thread but no one seems to be able to commit on how big an animal needs to be before you start giving a fuck about it’s welfare It isn't so much as considering its welfare but the suffering thats caused. So if you had a rat and you tortured it you would be done for abuse of an animal because you caused it unnecessary suffering. Same with fish. So legally speaking it would be most insects. Wild specifically because you can't be arrested for pulling legs of house spiders. But if you destroy an apiary you can be done for damage to the bee colony. So where does the morals lie and the law? Happy? To a vegan who respects all life insects included you'll find they are a Jain monk. Vegans won't consume animal products but not all care about the welfare of an ant. Since insects out number humans in their masses by million times more in the least dare say they aren't seen as valuable besides bees and other pollinators. People do go into habitat conservation. Wild life zones promoting beneficial life from insects to birds. So cannot say people don't value the smallest of creatures. Without them the ecosystem will fall. " Vegans I know WILL eat meat. Non meat eaters wont eat meat. A non meat eater is not necessarily a vegan. | |||
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"As far as I am concerned about vegans, live and let live. I don’t have time for Piers Morgan style bollocks...The only vegan I would ever proudly troll publicly would be that dickhead who said that artificially impregnating a cow in a farm is one and the same like r*ping a woman. It was actually on This Morning. on ITV. Errrr, I don’t fucking think so. Quadruped animal......female human on two legs with emotions and logic being sexually attacked.....NOT QUITE the same....attention-grabbing militant nonsense like that do nothing to persuade me to adopt a plant-based diet (which I actually already adopt anyway). Do cows not have emotions ? Do they not like to forage and make companions and look after their young ? Are they meant to live in a box too small to turn around in and to stand for ever where they shit and piss and to be artificially inseminated to be constantly pregnant so they can give milk and to eat artificial food that fattens them and is cheap and to have some blokes arm stuck up their cunt every year so they can stay 24/7 pregnant ? All cows are a part of a machine. Be blind if you want. " Quite so. Imagine trying to get funding to prove cattle are sentient or communicate through conversation. Never gonna happen. | |||
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"No need to bash Vegans... they will die of their own accord soon anyway. In the meantime they can carry on eating their special 'food' made in laboratories. "Oh now DrJim ......... I don't eat the meat substitutes...... I used to but I no longer see the point. They are not too healthy to be fair. | |||
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"When is an animal soo small that you no longer give a fuck what happens to it? Clem ....... we need a definition of vegan. I'd call me a 99.9% plant based food eater. I'd eat road kill. I'd eat healthy died a natural death things. I give a fuck about microbes okay? When coronavirus comes my way i'm opening a vein to let it in. One of the statements above is a lie. I would not harm a living thing just for the whim of a taste. I detest farming. I use sanitiser.... oops .... I'd agree with your definition point however You have defined you I think every vegan would define themselves rightly or not, differently I'd suggest that's where non vegan conflicts confusions occur they try to project one vegan they know or an internet representation of vegan as THE version all should or do adhere to Hence the question... But why only to vegans ? The question crosses the omnivorous spectrum Id expect most people to use an anti-flea drug on a pet, or use anti bacterial/viral products. So yes it is a valid question. Most people are only concerned with things that are "furry". Im only interested in when a vegan might draw the line. You're more than welcome to start your own thread with your question. " No I'm quite happy illusting the malevolence of this one thanks And I'd suggest your fury perspective is vastly more prevalent within the non vegan community What they decide to eat , hunt , torture and abuse vs what they like to stroke and go ahhh at is equally bizarre | |||
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"When is an animal soo small that you no longer give a fuck what happens to it? Clem ....... we need a definition of vegan. I'd call me a 99.9% plant based food eater. I'd eat road kill. I'd eat healthy died a natural death things. I give a fuck about microbes okay? When coronavirus comes my way i'm opening a vein to let it in. One of the statements above is a lie. I would not harm a living thing just for the whim of a taste. I detest farming. I use sanitiser.... oops .... I'd agree with your definition point however You have defined you I think every vegan would define themselves rightly or not, differently I'd suggest that's where non vegan conflicts confusions occur they try to project one vegan they know or an internet representation of vegan as THE version all should or do adhere to Hence the question... But why only to vegans ? The question crosses the omnivorous spectrum Id expect most people to use an anti-flea drug on a pet, or use anti bacterial/viral products. So yes it is a valid question. Most people are only concerned with things that are "furry". Im only interested in when a vegan might draw the line. You're more than welcome to start your own thread with your question. No I'm quite happy illusting the malevolence of this one thanks And I'd suggest your fury perspective is vastly more prevalent within the non vegan community What they decide to eat , hunt , torture and abuse vs what they like to stroke and go ahhh at is equally bizarre " ... anyone? | |||
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"When is an animal soo small that you no longer give a fuck what happens to it? Clem ....... we need a definition of vegan. I'd call me a 99.9% plant based food eater. I'd eat road kill. I'd eat healthy died a natural death things. I give a fuck about microbes okay? When coronavirus comes my way i'm opening a vein to let it in. One of the statements above is a lie. I would not harm a living thing just for the whim of a taste. I detest farming. I use sanitiser.... oops .... I'd agree with your definition point however You have defined you I think every vegan would define themselves rightly or not, differently I'd suggest that's where non vegan conflicts confusions occur they try to project one vegan they know or an internet representation of vegan as THE version all should or do adhere to Hence the question... But why only to vegans ? The question crosses the omnivorous spectrum Id expect most people to use an anti-flea drug on a pet, or use anti bacterial/viral products. So yes it is a valid question. Most people are only concerned with things that are "furry". Im only interested in when a vegan might draw the line. You're more than welcome to start your own thread with your question. No I'm quite happy illusting the malevolence of this one thanks And I'd suggest your fury perspective is vastly more prevalent within the non vegan community What they decide to eat , hunt , torture and abuse vs what they like to stroke and go ahhh at is equally bizarre ... anyone?" I answered your question scroll up | |||
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"No need to bash Vegans... they will die of their own accord soon anyway. In the meantime they can carry on eating their special 'food' made in laboratories. "I find sometimes quorn is nice, such as the "chicken burgers", but in other products it's horrid! Such as the mince. Vile. | |||
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I find sometimes quorn is nice, such as the "chicken burgers", but in other products it's horrid! Such as the mince. Vile. "It's all in how you cook with it. Cooking quorn mince in a vegetable stock first before any other preparations stops it being the texture and taste of cardboard | |||
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I find sometimes quorn is nice, such as the "chicken burgers", but in other products it's horrid! Such as the mince. Vile.
It's all in how you cook with it. Cooking quorn mince in a vegetable stock first before any other preparations stops it being the texture and taste of cardboard "Maybe I'll give it another chance, cheers. | |||
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"As far as I am concerned about vegans, live and let live. I don’t have time for Piers Morgan style bollocks...The only vegan I would ever proudly troll publicly would be that dickhead who said that artificially impregnating a cow in a farm is one and the same like r*ping a woman. It was actually on This Morning. on ITV. Errrr, I don’t fucking think so. Quadruped animal......female human on two legs with emotions and logic being sexually attacked.....NOT QUITE the same....attention-grabbing militant nonsense like that do nothing to persuade me to adopt a plant-based diet (which I actually already adopt anyway). Cows have emotions, personalities and I'm quite sure it isn't pleasant having someone forcibly sticking their arm up their ass is nice. Ever seen a cow not want to breed with a bull. This is why farmers artificially inseminate because cows don't want to be impregnated all the time. But that doesn't suit the farmer. It's unnatural to keep going through pregnancies even wild animals dont" Im a farmer and utter shit like this does nobody any favours. I have beef cows and have bulls to do the job naturally and never use AI as its not cheap and has absolutely nothing to do with the cows not wanting impregnated!!!! Most beef farmers that do use AI is only on a select few animmals to get access to better breed lines in the hope of producing the next show winning bull. Your are right, cows do have emotion. Some when in heat will seek out the bull,others are not bothered, and others run away but bull will have its way and its all natural. No animal on farms or nature go for a social first before they get down to it!! If they were roaming free in the wild this is what would happen just like it happens on any beef farm. I sure it isnt pleasant for a cow having AI but also sure its not that pleasant having over a ton of bull mount the cow and have its wicked way either but thats the natural way! I really think you should research more before you spout on open forums. Plenty farmers have open days and are more than willing to show people round what they do and explain what they do, why they do it and show the very high standards our animals have | |||
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"As far as I am concerned about vegans, live and let live. I don’t have time for Piers Morgan style bollocks...The only vegan I would ever proudly troll publicly would be that dickhead who said that artificially impregnating a cow in a farm is one and the same like r*ping a woman. It was actually on This Morning. on ITV. Errrr, I don’t fucking think so. Quadruped animal......female human on two legs with emotions and logic being sexually attacked.....NOT QUITE the same....attention-grabbing militant nonsense like that do nothing to persuade me to adopt a plant-based diet (which I actually already adopt anyway). Do cows not have emotions ? Do they not like to forage and make companions and look after their young ? Are they meant to live in a box too small to turn around in and to stand for ever where they shit and piss and to be artificially inseminated to be constantly pregnant so they can give milk and to eat artificial food that fattens them and is cheap and to have some blokes arm stuck up their cunt every year so they can stay 24/7 pregnant ? All cows are a part of a machine. Be blind if you want. " If farmers kept a cow in a box they couldnt move in they would be locked up for a very long time. And what artificial food do farmers feed cows if i may ask?? Cows cannot be constantly pregnant, just like a human cant be constantly pregnant!!! | |||
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"As far as I am concerned about vegans, live and let live. I don’t have time for Piers Morgan style bollocks...The only vegan I would ever proudly troll publicly would be that dickhead who said that artificially impregnating a cow in a farm is one and the same like r*ping a woman. It was actually on This Morning. on ITV. Errrr, I don’t fucking think so. Quadruped animal......female human on two legs with emotions and logic being sexually attacked.....NOT QUITE the same....attention-grabbing militant nonsense like that do nothing to persuade me to adopt a plant-based diet (which I actually already adopt anyway). Do cows not have emotions ? Do they not like to forage and make companions and look after their young ? Are they meant to live in a box too small to turn around in and to stand for ever where they shit and piss and to be artificially inseminated to be constantly pregnant so they can give milk and to eat artificial food that fattens them and is cheap and to have some blokes arm stuck up their cunt every year so they can stay 24/7 pregnant ? All cows are a part of a machine. Be blind if you want. If farmers kept a cow in a box they couldnt move in they would be locked up for a very long time. And what artificial food do farmers feed cows if i may ask?? Cows cannot be constantly pregnant, just like a human cant be constantly pregnant!!!" Never let the truth get in the way of good propaganda. | |||
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"As far as I am concerned about vegans, live and let live. I don’t have time for Piers Morgan style bollocks...The only vegan I would ever proudly troll publicly would be that dickhead who said that artificially impregnating a cow in a farm is one and the same like r*ping a woman. It was actually on This Morning. on ITV. Errrr, I don’t fucking think so. Quadruped animal......female human on two legs with emotions and logic being sexually attacked.....NOT QUITE the same....attention-grabbing militant nonsense like that do nothing to persuade me to adopt a plant-based diet (which I actually already adopt anyway). Cows have emotions, personalities and I'm quite sure it isn't pleasant having someone forcibly sticking their arm up their ass is nice. Ever seen a cow not want to breed with a bull. This is why farmers artificially inseminate because cows don't want to be impregnated all the time. But that doesn't suit the farmer. It's unnatural to keep going through pregnancies even wild animals dont Im a farmer and utter shit like this does nobody any favours. I have beef cows and have bulls to do the job naturally and never use AI as its not cheap and has absolutely nothing to do with the cows not wanting impregnated!!!! Most beef farmers that do use AI is only on a select few animmals to get access to better breed lines in the hope of producing the next show winning bull. Your are right, cows do have emotion. Some when in heat will seek out the bull,others are not bothered, and others run away but bull will have its way and its all natural. No animal on farms or nature go for a social first before they get down to it!! If they were roaming free in the wild this is what would happen just like it happens on any beef farm. I sure it isnt pleasant for a cow having AI but also sure its not that pleasant having over a ton of bull mount the cow and have its wicked way either but thats the natural way! I really think you should research more before you spout on open forums. Plenty farmers have open days and are more than willing to show people round what they do and explain what they do, why they do it and show the very high standards our animals have" You don't know where I grew up. What I grew up surrounded by. Not all farms are ethical. If you allow nature takes its course as it would have done cows wouldn't breed every year. But this can't be backed up with science since the original wild breed is extinct all the line breeding took precedent. Other bovine wild species don't breed annually. If your cattle don't breed you don't make money, simple as. | |||
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"As far as I am concerned about vegans, live and let live. I don’t have time for Piers Morgan style bollocks...The only vegan I would ever proudly troll publicly would be that dickhead who said that artificially impregnating a cow in a farm is one and the same like r*ping a woman. It was actually on This Morning. on ITV. Errrr, I don’t fucking think so. Quadruped animal......female human on two legs with emotions and logic being sexually attacked.....NOT QUITE the same....attention-grabbing militant nonsense like that do nothing to persuade me to adopt a plant-based diet (which I actually already adopt anyway). Cows have emotions, personalities and I'm quite sure it isn't pleasant having someone forcibly sticking their arm up their ass is nice. Ever seen a cow not want to breed with a bull. This is why farmers artificially inseminate because cows don't want to be impregnated all the time. But that doesn't suit the farmer. It's unnatural to keep going through pregnancies even wild animals dont Im a farmer and utter shit like this does nobody any favours. I have beef cows and have bulls to do the job naturally and never use AI as its not cheap and has absolutely nothing to do with the cows not wanting impregnated!!!! Most beef farmers that do use AI is only on a select few animmals to get access to better breed lines in the hope of producing the next show winning bull. Your are right, cows do have emotion. Some when in heat will seek out the bull,others are not bothered, and others run away but bull will have its way and its all natural. No animal on farms or nature go for a social first before they get down to it!! If they were roaming free in the wild this is what would happen just like it happens on any beef farm. I sure it isnt pleasant for a cow having AI but also sure its not that pleasant having over a ton of bull mount the cow and have its wicked way either but thats the natural way! I really think you should research more before you spout on open forums. Plenty farmers have open days and are more than willing to show people round what they do and explain what they do, why they do it and show the very high standards our animals have You don't know where I grew up. What I grew up surrounded by. Not all farms are ethical. If you allow nature takes its course as it would have done cows wouldn't breed every year. But this can't be backed up with science since the original wild breed is extinct all the line breeding took precedent. Other bovine wild species don't breed annually. If your cattle don't breed you don't make money, simple as. " Your right, i dont know where you grew up and never mentioned that. You say all farms are not ethical but certainly all the ones i know are but that dosnt give you the right to generalize and imply every farm with cattle is un ethical does it ?? I have never questioned anyones right to be vegan or criticised then, everyone has free choice. Im merely trying to srot people spouting stuff that simply isnt true. If nature took its course cattle would breed every year, apart from the females that cant conceive. Whether they are too young, too old or suffering from illness That closest information i can give you is there is a herd of cattle that were abandoned on an island off orkney. I think they have been living wild for 30yrs plus. They breed themselfs, self regulate and live quite happily but unfortunately this also means its survival of the fittest so any weak , or cows calving too close to winter will usually not make it. Also bull calfs struggle as there will always be one dominant bull so the ones shunned from the herd will struggle. Thats what i can remember but Google will be your friend | |||
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"As far as I am concerned about vegans, live and let live. I don’t have time for Piers Morgan style bollocks...The only vegan I would ever proudly troll publicly would be that dickhead who said that artificially impregnating a cow in a farm is one and the same like r*ping a woman. It was actually on This Morning. on ITV. Errrr, I don’t fucking think so. Quadruped animal......female human on two legs with emotions and logic being sexually attacked.....NOT QUITE the same....attention-grabbing militant nonsense like that do nothing to persuade me to adopt a plant-based diet (which I actually already adopt anyway). Cows have emotions, personalities and I'm quite sure it isn't pleasant having someone forcibly sticking their arm up their ass is nice. Ever seen a cow not want to breed with a bull. This is why farmers artificially inseminate because cows don't want to be impregnated all the time. But that doesn't suit the farmer. It's unnatural to keep going through pregnancies even wild animals dont Im a farmer and utter shit like this does nobody any favours. I have beef cows and have bulls to do the job naturally and never use AI as its not cheap and has absolutely nothing to do with the cows not wanting impregnated!!!! Most beef farmers that do use AI is only on a select few animmals to get access to better breed lines in the hope of producing the next show winning bull. Your are right, cows do have emotion. Some when in heat will seek out the bull,others are not bothered, and others run away but bull will have its way and its all natural. No animal on farms or nature go for a social first before they get down to it!! If they were roaming free in the wild this is what would happen just like it happens on any beef farm. I sure it isnt pleasant for a cow having AI but also sure its not that pleasant having over a ton of bull mount the cow and have its wicked way either but thats the natural way! I really think you should research more before you spout on open forums. Plenty farmers have open days and are more than willing to show people round what they do and explain what they do, why they do it and show the very high standards our animals have You don't know where I grew up. What I grew up surrounded by. Not all farms are ethical. If you allow nature takes its course as it would have done cows wouldn't breed every year. But this can't be backed up with science since the original wild breed is extinct all the line breeding took precedent. Other bovine wild species don't breed annually. If your cattle don't breed you don't make money, simple as. Your right, i dont know where you grew up and never mentioned that. You say all farms are not ethical but certainly all the ones i know are but that dosnt give you the right to generalize and imply every farm with cattle is un ethical does it ?? I have never questioned anyones right to be vegan or criticised then, everyone has free choice. Im merely trying to srot people spouting stuff that simply isnt true. If nature took its course cattle would breed every year, apart from the females that cant conceive. Whether they are too young, too old or suffering from illness That closest information i can give you is there is a herd of cattle that were abandoned on an island off orkney. I think they have been living wild for 30yrs plus. They breed themselfs, self regulate and live quite happily but unfortunately this also means its survival of the fittest so any weak , or cows calving too close to winter will usually not make it. Also bull calfs struggle as there will always be one dominant bull so the ones shunned from the herd will struggle. Thats what i can remember but Google will be your friend" Male offspring leave the general heard to join the male herd. If they all bred annually it would be overpopulated and a cows average life span is 20 years. | |||
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"As far as I am concerned about vegans, live and let live. I don’t have time for Piers Morgan style bollocks...The only vegan I would ever proudly troll publicly would be that dickhead who said that artificially impregnating a cow in a farm is one and the same like r*ping a woman. It was actually on This Morning. on ITV. Errrr, I don’t fucking think so. Quadruped animal......female human on two legs with emotions and logic being sexually attacked.....NOT QUITE the same....attention-grabbing militant nonsense like that do nothing to persuade me to adopt a plant-based diet (which I actually already adopt anyway). Cows have emotions, personalities and I'm quite sure it isn't pleasant having someone forcibly sticking their arm up their ass is nice. Ever seen a cow not want to breed with a bull. This is why farmers artificially inseminate because cows don't want to be impregnated all the time. But that doesn't suit the farmer. It's unnatural to keep going through pregnancies even wild animals dont Im a farmer and utter shit like this does nobody any favours. I have beef cows and have bulls to do the job naturally and never use AI as its not cheap and has absolutely nothing to do with the cows not wanting impregnated!!!! Most beef farmers that do use AI is only on a select few animmals to get access to better breed lines in the hope of producing the next show winning bull. Your are right, cows do have emotion. Some when in heat will seek out the bull,others are not bothered, and others run away but bull will have its way and its all natural. No animal on farms or nature go for a social first before they get down to it!! If they were roaming free in the wild this is what would happen just like it happens on any beef farm. I sure it isnt pleasant for a cow having AI but also sure its not that pleasant having over a ton of bull mount the cow and have its wicked way either but thats the natural way! I really think you should research more before you spout on open forums. Plenty farmers have open days and are more than willing to show people round what they do and explain what they do, why they do it and show the very high standards our animals have You don't know where I grew up. What I grew up surrounded by. Not all farms are ethical. If you allow nature takes its course as it would have done cows wouldn't breed every year. But this can't be backed up with science since the original wild breed is extinct all the line breeding took precedent. Other bovine wild species don't breed annually. If your cattle don't breed you don't make money, simple as. Your right, i dont know where you grew up and never mentioned that. You say all farms are not ethical but certainly all the ones i know are but that dosnt give you the right to generalize and imply every farm with cattle is un ethical does it ?? I have never questioned anyones right to be vegan or criticised then, everyone has free choice. Im merely trying to srot people spouting stuff that simply isnt true. If nature took its course cattle would breed every year, apart from the females that cant conceive. Whether they are too young, too old or suffering from illness That closest information i can give you is there is a herd of cattle that were abandoned on an island off orkney. I think they have been living wild for 30yrs plus. They breed themselfs, self regulate and live quite happily but unfortunately this also means its survival of the fittest so any weak , or cows calving too close to winter will usually not make it. Also bull calfs struggle as there will always be one dominant bull so the ones shunned from the herd will struggle. Thats what i can remember but Google will be your friend Male offspring leave the general heard to join the male herd. If they all bred annually it would be overpopulated and a cows average life span is 20 years. " Also the dominant bull once it accepts the calf male or female others in the herd leave it alone. It's normal for older bulls to compete for dominance also. But the dominant bull doesn't do all the breeding. But it controls the herd just like a matriarch of an elephant herd. Education is fun | |||
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" Cows cannot be constantly pregnant, just like a human cant be constantly pregnant!!! You're being pedantic. Obviously they're not literally constantly pregnant, but they need to be pregnant to produce milk, so dairy cows have to have a calf every year. " So you think picking on me being pedantic is more benificial than correcting the original poster for saying cows are constantly pregnant? You do know plenty people will read that cows are constantly pregnant and believe that? I think it was only fair to correct that misleading post I am trying my best to only correct facts and have no intention of anything personal | |||
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"As far as I am concerned about vegans, live and let live. I don’t have time for Piers Morgan style bollocks...The only vegan I would ever proudly troll publicly would be that dickhead who said that artificially impregnating a cow in a farm is one and the same like r*ping a woman. It was actually on This Morning. on ITV. Errrr, I don’t fucking think so. Quadruped animal......female human on two legs with emotions and logic being sexually attacked.....NOT QUITE the same....attention-grabbing militant nonsense like that do nothing to persuade me to adopt a plant-based diet (which I actually already adopt anyway). Cows have emotions, personalities and I'm quite sure it isn't pleasant having someone forcibly sticking their arm up their ass is nice. Ever seen a cow not want to breed with a bull. This is why farmers artificially inseminate because cows don't want to be impregnated all the time. But that doesn't suit the farmer. It's unnatural to keep going through pregnancies even wild animals dont Im a farmer and utter shit like this does nobody any favours. I have beef cows and have bulls to do the job naturally and never use AI as its not cheap and has absolutely nothing to do with the cows not wanting impregnated!!!! Most beef farmers that do use AI is only on a select few animmals to get access to better breed lines in the hope of producing the next show winning bull. Your are right, cows do have emotion. Some when in heat will seek out the bull,others are not bothered, and others run away but bull will have its way and its all natural. No animal on farms or nature go for a social first before they get down to it!! If they were roaming free in the wild this is what would happen just like it happens on any beef farm. I sure it isnt pleasant for a cow having AI but also sure its not that pleasant having over a ton of bull mount the cow and have its wicked way either but thats the natural way! I really think you should research more before you spout on open forums. Plenty farmers have open days and are more than willing to show people round what they do and explain what they do, why they do it and show the very high standards our animals have You don't know where I grew up. What I grew up surrounded by. Not all farms are ethical. If you allow nature takes its course as it would have done cows wouldn't breed every year. But this can't be backed up with science since the original wild breed is extinct all the line breeding took precedent. Other bovine wild species don't breed annually. If your cattle don't breed you don't make money, simple as. Your right, i dont know where you grew up and never mentioned that. You say all farms are not ethical but certainly all the ones i know are but that dosnt give you the right to generalize and imply every farm with cattle is un ethical does it ?? I have never questioned anyones right to be vegan or criticised then, everyone has free choice. Im merely trying to srot people spouting stuff that simply isnt true. If nature took its course cattle would breed every year, apart from the females that cant conceive. Whether they are too young, too old or suffering from illness That closest information i can give you is there is a herd of cattle that were abandoned on an island off orkney. I think they have been living wild for 30yrs plus. They breed themselfs, self regulate and live quite happily but unfortunately this also means its survival of the fittest so any weak , or cows calving too close to winter will usually not make it. Also bull calfs struggle as there will always be one dominant bull so the ones shunned from the herd will struggle. Thats what i can remember but Google will be your friend Male offspring leave the general heard to join the male herd. If they all bred annually it would be overpopulated and a cows average life span is 20 years. " All very true but thats based on them having the right to roam and having adequate forage. The island i mentioned is only a certain size and can only sustain a certain number so your right about over population, hence the weaker die. Unfortunately the bulls not in the main herd have not worked out how to book a ferry and get off the island.... | |||
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"And i didnt think i would say this but you win as i generally cant be fucked with this anymore. It seems farmers are the root of all evil and some people will not see it any other way. People can be vegan, vegetarian....whomever they want to be as everyone has choice " I think farmers do a great job snd I'd be surprised if there were many countries with higher animal welfare standards, that are abided by, around the globe. | |||
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"And i didnt think i would say this but you win as i generally cant be fucked with this anymore. It seems farmers are the root of all evil and some people will not see it any other way. People can be vegan, vegetarian....whomever they want to be as everyone has choice " I haven't said anything to state all farmers are the root of all evil. But given facts of wild nature of them entirely different to domesticated treatment. To reply to your previous statement that cows aren't always pregnant. You think 2.5 to 3 months is enough time to recover from the impregnation through to the birth, and milk production before doing it all over again? It's illegal to even breed dogs or cats in that way. If it were healthy prize breeding cattle would live their life span. | |||
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"When is an animal soo small that you no longer give a fuck what happens to it?" That's a great question Clem. The upshot is is that there can never be any such thing as true veganism. Even if we were to go back to extensive crop production it would still entail the loss of habitat and death of smaller animals not to mention the exploitation of earthworms and soil microbes etc. As you say, the question is where do you draw the line? | |||
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"When is an animal soo small that you no longer give a fuck what happens to it? That's a great question Clem. The upshot is is that there can never be any such thing as true veganism. Even if we were to go back to extensive crop production it would still entail the loss of habitat and death of smaller animals not to mention the exploitation of earthworms and soil microbes etc. As you say, the question is where do you draw the line?" Quite - if you want to eat anything, other animals have to die, from the rodents poisoned around grain stores so the farmer achieves his cross-compliance and can sell that grain into the food chain to those who die in the combine or during tillage and not least the billions of invertebrates you need to kill to have a successful crop.... | |||
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"When is an animal soo small that you no longer give a fuck what happens to it? That's a great question Clem. The upshot is is that there can never be any such thing as true veganism. Even if we were to go back to extensive crop production it would still entail the loss of habitat and death of smaller animals not to mention the exploitation of earthworms and soil microbes etc. As you say, the question is where do you draw the line? Quite - if you want to eat anything, other animals have to die, from the rodents poisoned around grain stores so the farmer achieves his cross-compliance and can sell that grain into the food chain to those who die in the combine or during tillage and not least the billions of invertebrates you need to kill to have a successful crop...." Also, many vegans choose to avoid honey as it's production involves the exploitation of honey bees, fair enough, but should they not also avoid eating fruit as the pollination of the vast majority of our fruit crops are part of this process? Entire hives are even moved to facillitate this. Furthermore, figs are pollinated by tiny wasps that lay their eggs in the embryonic fruit and then die. The fruit swells to encorporate the carcass, fair enough it's absorbed by the developing fruit but it's there nonetheless. The argument of naturality could, of course, be used in these instances but if so why not with respect to meat that's caught or shot in the wild eg. deer, rabbits, fish. Surely these are also natural processes and don't involve exploitation. As to whether they can be seen as being cruel is very subjective. | |||
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"It's a misconception that humans primary diet is meat. Early gathering of humans were discovered to rarely eat meat and their main diet consisted of seeds, fruits, roots and insects. Meats was opportunistic delicacies. Excavation of early human sites have shown animal bone piles to be quite small and that evidence of foods found fossilized in teeth and prior stomach contents. If early humans ate as much meat as they do today they would have piles of discarded bones that would fill the entirety of a modern day house. The waste from carcasses today gets ground up or given to animals. But there's a hell of a lot of waste. Bone decomposition takes many years as we all know includes fossils Thought I'd let you know most people were vegan and relied on based plant diets." Locally or migration sourced food. Alot of vegan food now has travelled a bloody long way. I can eat meat or a veggie diet from locally sourcing. | |||
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"interesting thread, good to see some proper debate amongst the rest of it. A little stat for you to ponder; On average, vegans live seven years longer than those who eat meat. ...seven long, bacon free, miserable years! "Always make me laugh when I try to explain to people the though of eating meat actually makes me feel sick so there's no 'missing' out as people think. On a side note I've also had someone ask, "what even bacon?" As if it's the holy grail of food | |||
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"interesting thread, good to see some proper debate amongst the rest of it. A little stat for you to ponder; On average, vegans live seven years longer than those who eat meat. ...seven long, bacon free, miserable years! "I've never eaten bacon so I can't miss what I've never had | |||
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I've never eaten bacon so I can't miss what I've never had "Also Meat eaters love Burger , pies from Greg's, sausage, and bacon Erm all of which dont taste much of meat more of salt salt salt rusk herbs and seasoning and a bit of seared fat oh often enhanced by vinegar tomatoes salt sugar and onions | |||
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"I would rather listen to a vegan preaching than have to sit and listen to this gender neutral carry on anymore, its getting ridiculous now " They were born that way, show some respect... | |||
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"I'm vegan. I still kill flies. I eat honey too (so not really vegan according to some). I steal nuts from squirrels too. " I was told that queen bees have their wings cut off to prevent them flying away with the colony, and that is why honey is evil! Ive met a few bee keepers and none carry out this practise or have heard of it being carried out. Anyone else any knowledge on this? | |||
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"I'm vegan. I still kill flies. I eat honey too (so not really vegan according to some). I steal nuts from squirrels too. I was told that queen bees have their wings cut off to prevent them flying away with the colony, and that is why honey is evil! Ive met a few bee keepers and none carry out this practise or have heard of it being carried out. Anyone else any knowledge on this?" Large honey company's trim queen wings. Colonies follow the queen, most keepers build new apiaries for new queens and further production of honey. Removal of wings the other bees will leave the queen they don't want an injured queen Practice is to trim no more than a third to prevent flying. Question to pose is it ethical to do so? When people will kill ant colonies to prevent infection of houses if a wing trim and not killing a bee worse? A queen will move her colony if she feels threatened and for a keeper no colony no income. Fun fact queens can sting multiple times and in a hive with new queen sisters they help each other but also will take out the competition till one remains. The biggest threat to an apiary colony is mites and you have environmental threats, pesticides, lack of available habitat. | |||
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"I'm vegan. I still kill flies. I eat honey too (so not really vegan according to some). I steal nuts from squirrels too. I was told that queen bees have their wings cut off to prevent them flying away with the colony, and that is why honey is evil! Ive met a few bee keepers and none carry out this practise or have heard of it being carried out. Anyone else any knowledge on this? Large honey company's trim queen wings. Colonies follow the queen, most keepers build new apiaries for new queens and further production of honey. Removal of wings the other bees will leave the queen they don't want an injured queen Practice is to trim no more than a third to prevent flying. Question to pose is it ethical to do so? When people will kill ant colonies to prevent infection of houses if a wing trim and not killing a bee worse? A queen will move her colony if she feels threatened and for a keeper no colony no income. Fun fact queens can sting multiple times and in a hive with new queen sisters they help each other but also will take out the competition till one remains. The biggest threat to an apiary colony is mites and you have environmental threats, pesticides, lack of available habitat. " Oh, so rather like trimming the flight feathers of chickens i guess. | |||
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"I'm vegan. I still kill flies. I eat honey too (so not really vegan according to some). I steal nuts from squirrels too. I was told that queen bees have their wings cut off to prevent them flying away with the colony, and that is why honey is evil! Ive met a few bee keepers and none carry out this practise or have heard of it being carried out. Anyone else any knowledge on this? Large honey company's trim queen wings. Colonies follow the queen, most keepers build new apiaries for new queens and further production of honey. Removal of wings the other bees will leave the queen they don't want an injured queen Practice is to trim no more than a third to prevent flying. Question to pose is it ethical to do so? When people will kill ant colonies to prevent infection of houses if a wing trim and not killing a bee worse? A queen will move her colony if she feels threatened and for a keeper no colony no income. Fun fact queens can sting multiple times and in a hive with new queen sisters they help each other but also will take out the competition till one remains. The biggest threat to an apiary colony is mites and you have environmental threats, pesticides, lack of available habitat. Oh, so rather like trimming the flight feathers of chickens i guess. " Yes but bees wings usually do not heal it's permanent, birds feathers regrow. Not that the chickens survive long enough for them to fully regrow before dinner table. But pet birds they do fine it's not about preventing flight just enough to prevent altitude | |||
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