FabSwingers.com forum: Why is Prince Charles the Prince of Wales

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not sure if trolling or just ignorant...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not sure if trolling or just ignorant..."

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

It is a tradition that goes back centuries that the next in line to the throne is ordained as the Prince of Wales by the current standing monarch.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order. "

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It is a tradition that goes back centuries that the next in line to the throne is ordained as the Prince of Wales by the current standing monarch. "

But didn't Wales have their own king before the English came along?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda."

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

In a manner of speaking.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

Or should I say Germans?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

In a manner of speaking."

And yet the Welsh accept him as their Prince

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

Or should I say Germans? "

Probably more Vikings then German.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"It is a tradition that goes back centuries that the next in line to the throne is ordained as the Prince of Wales by the current standing monarch.

But didn't Wales have their own king before the English came along? "

You're going back over 1000 years ... there was also the kingdoms of wessex etc ... which were all brought together to form the kingdom of England. History is beset with battles between the various kingdoms such as Scotland and Wales and Ireland. It was not until the early 20th century I think that Ireland became independent (or 19th century, I've not checked).

Some reading up on British history will reveal all sorts you know

Do you the world of good understanding why the UK is how it is now

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

Or should I say Germans?

Probably more Vikings then German."

Ohh

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It is a tradition that goes back centuries that the next in line to the throne is ordained as the Prince of Wales by the current standing monarch.

But didn't Wales have their own king before the English came along?

Some reading up on British history will reveal all sorts you know

Do you the world of good understanding why the UK is how it is now"

Seems to me like the royal family were very greedy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Prince of Wales was a title granted to native Welsh princes before the 12th century; the term replaced the use of the word king. One of the last Welsh princes, Llywelyn ap Gruffudd, was killed in battle in 1282 by Edward I, King of England, whose son Edward was invested as the first English Prince of Wales in 1301

Got to love the internet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

Or should I say Germans? "

More accurately Anglo Normans (French/Vikings). Who had come over and taken over from the Saxons (Germanics) who had taken over from the Romano British (Italian) who had taken over from the Celtic Britons who had pushed out Brythonic tribes. It ain't as simple as nasty English bullying the poor Welsh.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Prince of Wales was a title granted to native Welsh princes before the 12th century; the term replaced the use of the word king. One of the last Welsh princes, Llywelyn ap Gruffudd, was killed in battle in 1282 by Edward I, King of England, whose son Edward was invested as the first English Prince of Wales in 1301

Got to love the internet"

That is interesting.

What gets me is if the vikings or whoever they were at the time were so powerful.. Why didn't they call Wales and Scotland all England and claim the lot.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

Or should I say Germans?

The Welsh were busy fighting amongst themselves and could never hold the whole of Wales together for long. It took Edward to bring order

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By * and R cple4Couple
over a year ago

swansea

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

In a manner of speaking.

And yet the Welsh accept him as their Prince

"
Don’t think we have a option do we

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

Don't forget the Danes and Danelaw.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"Don't forget the Danes and Danelaw."

Quite... a multicultural society before that even became a "thing"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

Or should I say Germans?

I see.

I wonder what was the native language of Great Britain before English.

I know Welsh and Scottish are celts but I'm not sure what it means.

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By *udewhennudeMan
over a year ago

newport

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

Or should I say Germans?

That came later.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

In a manner of speaking.

And yet the Welsh accept him as their Prince

Don’t think we have a option do we

We could start a protest

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

Also Henry VIII (Tudor) was the son of Henry VII, who base born in Pembroke Castle in Wales!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I suspect you'd benefit from reading a brief run through of a history of the British Isles. It'd explain all of this.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

Or should I say Germans?

I see.

I wonder what was the native language of Great Britain before English.

I know Welsh and Scottish are celts but I'm not sure what it means. "

Probably a mix of French, Angle, Saxon (German) Norse, Celtic, pictish, Latin due to the romans etc etc etc ... etymology of English words show many different sources due to the multifaceted nature of the British people

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By *hantasmagoriaWoman
over a year ago

Newport

Freeeeeeeeeedooooooommmmmmm!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Also Henry VIII (Tudor) was the son of Henry VII, who base born in Pembroke Castle in Wales!"

I see.

Pembrokeshire fascinates me because it's what I call the extreme part of Wales, because its far from anywhere in England.. You can't go no further.

Yet everyone in Pembrokeshire sounds English. I've heard it described as little England.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"Freeeeeeeeeedooooooommmmmmm!!!!

Saoirse in celtic / gaelic

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I suspect you'd benefit from reading a brief run through of a history of the British Isles. It'd explain all of this."

I find it better to ask. My mind switches off otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

Or should I say Germans?

I see.

I wonder what was the native language of Great Britain before English.

I know Welsh and Scottish are celts but I'm not sure what it means.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

Or should I say Germans?

I see.

I wonder what was the native language of Great Britain before English.

I know Welsh and Scottish are celts but I'm not sure what it means.

From what I have read, it is believed the first identifiable language was Brythonic. Not much of that language still exists. As for a pre English language it in all probability looked a lot like Welsh/Cornish/and related languages from places like Brittany.

Modern English, however is a complete mix of Germanic, Danish, Norse etc etc. And constantly evolving.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Freeeeeeeeeedooooooommmmmmm!!!!

Fuck yeah

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I suspect you'd benefit from reading a brief run through of a history of the British Isles. It'd explain all of this.

I find it better to ask. My mind switches off otherwise. "

That's a pity.

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By *ed-monkeyCouple
over a year ago

Hailsham

"I suspect you'd benefit from reading a brief run through of a history of the British Isles. It'd explain all of this.

I find it better to ask. My mind switches off otherwise. "

Ooo squirrel

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

Or should I say Germans?

I see.

I wonder what was the native language of Great Britain before English.

I know Welsh and Scottish are celts but I'm not sure what it means.

Modern English, however is a complete mix of Germanic, Danish, Norse etc etc. And constantly evolving."

Gotcha

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I suspect you'd benefit from reading a brief run through of a history of the British Isles. It'd explain all of this.

I find it better to ask. My mind switches off otherwise.

Ooo squirrel "

Goldfish

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By *hantasmagoriaWoman
over a year ago

Newport

"Freeeeeeeeeedooooooommmmmmm!!!!

Fuck yeah

Lmao at least he's tried to learn the lingo a bit, so has William, I'm not a fan of the royals but at least they show willing

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Freeeeeeeeeedooooooommmmmmm!!!!

Fuck yeah

Lmao at least he's tried to learn the lingo a bit, so has William, I'm not a fan of the royals but at least they show willing"

So all is forgiven lol

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

Or should I say Germans? "

Don’t forget ‘Phil the Greek’

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By *hantasmagoriaWoman
over a year ago

Newport

"Freeeeeeeeeedooooooommmmmmm!!!!

Fuck yeah

Lmao at least he's tried to learn the lingo a bit, so has William, I'm not a fan of the royals but at least they show willing

So all is forgiven lol "

Not quite

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And yet the Welsh accept him as their Prince

Non that I know.

Nothing against the man personally mind

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

Do they not teach history anymore

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

Did you not study history at school? It's pretty much how all nations work!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Do they not teach history anymore

To be fair, when I was at school we learnt very little English or British history. We need history of medicine and american history.

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

"Also Henry VIII (Tudor) was the son of Henry VII, who base born in Pembroke Castle in Wales!

I see.

Pembrokeshire fascinates me because it's what I call the extreme part of Wales, because its far from anywhere in England.. You can't go no further.

Yet everyone in Pembrokeshire sounds English. I've heard it described as little England.

If you look in history books from centuries ago, South Pembrokeshire was the “Englishry” and North Pembrokeshire the “Welshry”. It was separated by a line of castles across the middle of the county called the Landsker Line.

“Little England beyond Wales” has its roots in history therefore.

The castles kept the Welsh in the north of the Pembrokeshire. It was a very strong Welsh speaking area, though when I visit know, everyone seems to be from London!!!

The contrast between the south and north of the county was very obvious and fascinating.

South Pembrokeshire was shaped by English, Norse, Flemish and Irish people’s. That’s why it’s so distinctive in Wales.

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By *dward_TeagueMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

Threads like this are fascinating

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

To be fair, when I was at school we learnt very little English or British history. We need history of medicine and american history. "

I did that syllabus too and I am 14 years older than you.

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By *ulfilthmentMan
over a year ago

Just around the corner

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

Or should I say Germans?

A point of order - a lot of the ‘Romans’ in Britain were from the provinces and so were Roman citizens but not necessarily from modern day Italy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The tradition of conferring the title "Prince of Wales" on the heir apparent of the monarch is usually considered to have begun in 1301, when King Edward I of England invested his son Edward of Caernarfon with the title at a Parliament held in Lincoln.

Edward marched his armies into Wales , building the ring of steel castles to subdue us troublesome Welsh.

The castles are still here and I know them well .

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By *antric ecstasyMan
over a year ago

Co Durham

Got to love the internet"

True...

Edward 1 promised the Welsh a prince who could not speak a word of English. Relieved, the Welsh accepted but old Longshanks was a devious bastard and presented them with his own infant son. What is not said can be as important as what is said.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"Do they not teach history anymore

To be fair, when I was at school we learnt very little English or British history. We need history of medicine and american history. "

How times changed, I’m 10 years older than you, the only American history we touched on was the war of independence and the civil war. Everything else was British based with world events added

I suppose it all depends on the school as well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cofiwch Dryweryn

and the last time an english prince was crowned at Cofi castle John Barnard Jenkins was at large

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

Broadly speaking, after the Romans left in the early fifth century, the population of what is now England and Wales spoke a language similar to Welsh. Over the next three centuries various settlers came from northern Germany and became the majority population in what is now England. The word "England" itself derives from the name of one of those Germanic peoples, the Angles. The Germanic language spoken by these peoples developed into English.

The Germans didn't generally get as far as the far west so Wales, Cumbria and Cornwall remained mainly populated by the Welsh type speakers (cymru, the Welsh name for Wales, Cornwall and Cumbria all have same derivation). They developed as three seperate languages, Welsh, Cornish and Cumbrian.

Cumbrian died out around the eleventh century as the English belatedly colonised the area and Cornish died out as a living language in the eighteenth century (though there are currently efforts to revive it).

As for the English, there were subsequently waves of Scandinavian settlement in the eighth and ninth century and then there was a French speaking ruling class from the eleventh to the fourteenth century. English as a language was heavily altered by those foreign incursions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All this history has taught me that its the bloody foreigners that are the problem

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

"All this history has taught me that its the bloody foreigners that are the problem"

I'd say the contemporary take out would be that people have always moved around and there has never been any such things as homogeneous national cultures.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All this history has taught me that its the bloody foreigners that are the problem

I'd say the contemporary take out would be that people have always moved around and there has never been any such things as homogeneous national cultures. "

Nope, keep Britain British

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By *tingly ByronMan
over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order. "

I don't think he killed all of the Welsh. There's probably a few left, somewhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

I don't think he killed all of the Welsh. There's probably a few left, somewhere."

Ahh but the San miguel virus will kill the last few of us. Or whatever it's called.

I must say I dont feel particularly aggrieved by any of it personally. Other countries in the main let me wonder around freely, and when I avoid patriotic rooftop shouting, I feel welcomed anywhere.

I'm a globalist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

Or should I say Germans?

A point of order - a lot of the ‘Romans’ in Britain were from the provinces and so were Roman citizens but not necessarily from modern day Italy."

I accept that ... I used Italian as a shorthand ( Greek, Numidian, Gaul, Iberian and so on)

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By *od ThrusterMan
over a year ago

Newport Pagnell

"old Longshanks was a devious bastard"

He's been described as a lot worse than devious over the years.

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By *ee04Man
over a year ago

Essex

Why all the uproar about Wales let’s be honest here we I loosely mean the English which depends on who was on the throne. Wether they be Norman, Tudor, Stuart. Or any Monarch going back.

Set about the age old pursuit of conquest, which basically means going to war slaughtering thousands and taking over and pillaging the land and populace of everything of value.

It started in culture long before England ever existed we just happened to probably ended up with the biggest so far in the world Has seen.

As for prince of Wales it dates back to Edward the 1st giving the title to his son. Edward the 1st also invaded Scotland and had William Wallace executed. Among many other atrocities.

But it basically boils down to greed and conquest. They wanted the land to raise more tax for the throne to raise bigger armies to concur more land to get more tax and on it goes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The question surely is why is Prince Charles a Prince?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The question surely is why is Prince Charles a Prince?

Because hes the queens son

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The question surely is why is Prince Charles a Prince?

Because hes the queens son

simples.

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By *elshyXOMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

In a manner of speaking.

And yet the Welsh accept him as their Prince

Only the bootlickers. I suggest you look into Owain Glyndwr for a dose of Welsh history.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over."

Yeah, it's been an unfortunate hobby of ours for centuries!

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over a year ago

"He's not even Welsh. I was just looking at something on TV and it says Prince Edward (who I'm assuming was Prince Charles Great grand father) killed the Welsh and took over.

This is out of order.

They were causing all sorts of problems. The original Prince of Wales died in the war against the English. As a result Edward gave his eldest son to Wales as their prince. Its stuck since then.

Kinda.

So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

Yeah

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By *elshyXOMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

"So the English basically bullied the Welsh and took over.

Yeah, it's been an unfortunate hobby of ours for centuries! "