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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I wonder how many women used him to further their careers

He’s a filthy scumbag for sure

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Classy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope he gets a good shag every day for the rest of his life, an absolutely massive cock while he is forced over a pile of mail bags

I really can't imagine how horrible it must have been for those women, I really wish him a long and painful life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wonder how many women used him to further their careers

He’s a filthy scumbag for sure

"

Don’t think we should ever frame women speaking up against abusers as ‘furthering their careers’.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wonder how many women used him to further their careers

He’s a filthy scumbag for sure

"

Disgusting and in my opinion trying to minimise what he's done let's remember his victims

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

And then he was tushed to hospital with chest pains instead of jail. No coincidence there then

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By *reya73Woman
over a year ago

Whitley Bay


"I wonder how many women used him to further their careers

He’s a filthy scumbag for sure

"

I wonder how many did and felt sad and disgusting afterwards.

I wonder how many did and got nowhere.

I wonder how many did because their careers are in the hands of men like him.

I don't understand your comment really OP.

It's not about the choices women made .. it's about all the choice he took away by his consistent abuse of power and of women.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wonder how many women used him to further their careers

He’s a filthy scumbag for sure

I wonder how many did and felt sad and disgusting afterwards.

I wonder how many did and got nowhere.

I wonder how many did because their careers are in the hands of men like him.

I don't understand your comment really OP.

It's not about the choices women made .. it's about all the choice he took away by his consistent abuse of power and of women. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wonder how many women used him to further their careers

He’s a filthy scumbag for sure

I wonder how many did and felt sad and disgusting afterwards.

I wonder how many did and got nowhere.

I wonder how many did because their careers are in the hands of men like him.

I don't understand your comment really OP.

It's not about the choices women made .. it's about all the choice he took away by his consistent abuse of power and of women. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wonder how many women used him to further their careers

He’s a filthy scumbag for sure

"

What a victorian attitude

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love a good victim blaming thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Classy "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

About time some people think they are above the law including royals

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Irrespective if people used him to get ahead. The things he did went beyond that.

Hope he rots in jail for the max sentence.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Wonder how many people exploited vulnerable, young, powerless people knowing they could get away with it.

Wonder if it'll ever be uncontroversial to place blame squarely at the feet of those in power.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Wonder how many people exploited vulnerable, young, powerless people knowing they could get away with it.

Wonder if it'll ever be uncontroversial to place blame squarely at the feet of those in power."

It's becoming less controversial.

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By *hatYorkLadMan
over a year ago

York

Looking at him on the news this morning he doesn't look long for this world anyway. At least he's been tried and found guilty though. Bet a few of his mates are shitting bricks now waiting to be called out, Tarantino was a big friend of his...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wonder how many people exploited vulnerable, young, powerless people knowing they could get away with it.

Wonder if it'll ever be uncontroversial to place blame squarely at the feet of those in power.

It's becoming less controversial.

"

Don't want to even think about it makes me feel sick its just scandal after scandal and it's the victims that suffer the emotional scars for life

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I have seen women use their "feminine wiles" to get ahead in their careers, it undoubtedly happens. It's even possible that some women saw that HW was the kind of man that could be exploited in that way and used him to their advantage.

I think it's clear though that this man is a manipulative, abusive creep of the highest order who used power and influence to abuse women. There are too many men like him and the more they're exposed the better I'll like it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have seen women use their "feminine wiles" to get ahead in their careers, it undoubtedly happens. It's even possible that some women saw that HW was the kind of man that could be exploited in that way and used him to their advantage.

I think it's clear though that this man is a manipulative, abusive creep of the highest order who used power and influence to abuse women. There are too many men like him and the more they're exposed the better I'll like it."

We are talking about a nonce case here found guilty why are we even talking about women trying to get their ways omg

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wonder if he will do the sentance or depart himself sooner

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham


"I hope he gets a good shag every day for the rest of his life, an absolutely massive cock while he is forced over a pile of mail bags

I really can't imagine how horrible it must have been for those women, I really wish him a long and painful life

"

Very graphic . are you talking from experience?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Wonder how many people exploited vulnerable, young, powerless people knowing they could get away with it.

Wonder if it'll ever be uncontroversial to place blame squarely at the feet of those in power.

It's becoming less controversial.

"

It's about fucking time. It's long past fucking time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hope he gets a good shag every day for the rest of his life, an absolutely massive cock while he is forced over a pile of mail bags

I really can't imagine how horrible it must have been for those women, I really wish him a long and painful life

Very graphic . are you talking from experience? "

Why on earth would you use smiley faces when asking that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If an women did it for those reasons, surely, it says a lot about our society that a woman feels that is the only way to further her career or get her talents recognised??

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I have seen women use their "feminine wiles" to get ahead in their careers, it undoubtedly happens. It's even possible that some women saw that HW was the kind of man that could be exploited in that way and used him to their advantage.

I think it's clear though that this man is a manipulative, abusive creep of the highest order who used power and influence to abuse women. There are too many men like him and the more they're exposed the better I'll like it.

We are talking about a nonce case here found guilty why are we even talking about women trying to get their ways omg"

Because it's a discussion and I'm putting forward an opinion that might open it out and possibly explore reasons men like this get away with things for so long.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If an women did it for those reasons, surely, it says a lot about our society that a woman feels that is the only way to further her career or get her talents recognised??"

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By *xXgemmaXxXCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I wonder how many women used him to further their careers

He’s a filthy scumbag for sure

"

You probably would have been better just missing out your whole first sentence and then nobody would know you like to victim blame

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have seen women use their "feminine wiles" to get ahead in their careers, it undoubtedly happens. It's even possible that some women saw that HW was the kind of man that could be exploited in that way and used him to their advantage.

I think it's clear though that this man is a manipulative, abusive creep of the highest order who used power and influence to abuse women. There are too many men like him and the more they're exposed the better I'll like it.

We are talking about a nonce case here found guilty why are we even talking about women trying to get their ways omg

Because it's a discussion and I'm putting forward an opinion that might open it out and possibly explore reasons men like this get away with things for so long."

So your trying to explore your opinion that the women are somehow responsible for the behaviour of this very sick individual?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I have seen women use their "feminine wiles" to get ahead in their careers, it undoubtedly happens. It's even possible that some women saw that HW was the kind of man that could be exploited in that way and used him to their advantage.

I think it's clear though that this man is a manipulative, abusive creep of the highest order who used power and influence to abuse women. There are too many men like him and the more they're exposed the better I'll like it.

We are talking about a nonce case here found guilty why are we even talking about women trying to get their ways omg

Because it's a discussion and I'm putting forward an opinion that might open it out and possibly explore reasons men like this get away with things for so long.

So your trying to explore your opinion that the women are somehow responsible for the behaviour of this very sick individual? "
what

Not at all. If you read my whole post you will see that

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham


"I hope he gets a good shag every day for the rest of his life, an absolutely massive cock while he is forced over a pile of mail bags

I really can't imagine how horrible it must have been for those women, I really wish him a long and painful life

Very graphic . are you talking from experience?

Why on earth would you use smiley faces when asking that?"

Because I can!!! I was referring to the first para about mailbags and big cocks NOT about the pain caused to women. Put your soapbox back in the

cupboard

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I hope he gets a good shag every day for the rest of his life, an absolutely massive cock while he is forced over a pile of mail bags

I really can't imagine how horrible it must have been for those women, I really wish him a long and painful life

Very graphic . are you talking from experience?

Why on earth would you use smiley faces when asking that?

Because I can!!! I was referring to the first para about mailbags and big cocks NOT about the pain caused to women. Put your soapbox back in the

cupboard"

Yeah. The question still applies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your post starts off with what you have seen females do all in the post about him says all I need to know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If an women did it for those reasons, surely, it says a lot about our society that a woman feels that is the only way to further her career or get her talents recognised??"

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Exactly!

Sadly someone like Weinstein had the power to wreck an actress' career or at the very least give it a major setback. He knew that and the bastard used it for his own gratification. These women had invested everything to get on in their chosen profession and probably at their families expense too, it was a lot to lose. It took a lot of courage for the victims to come out and openly say something

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Your post starts off with what you have seen females do all in the post about him says all I need to know "
I

Ok, so you're going to disregard the second part of my post to suit your agenda. We're probably not suited to discuss this with each other

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Your post starts off with what you have seen females do all in the post about him says all I need to know I

Ok, so you're going to disregard the second part of my post to suit your agenda. We're probably not suited to discuss this with each other "

Just a little confused why u didn't call it out for what it is at first instead of picking out women not having a go but read over your post and see how it might look

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham


"I hope he gets a good shag every day for the rest of his life, an absolutely massive cock while he is forced over a pile of mail bags

I really can't imagine how horrible it must have been for those women, I really wish him a long and painful life

Very graphic . are you talking from experience?

Why on earth would you use smiley faces when asking that?

Because I can!!! I was referring to the first para about mailbags and big cocks NOT about the pain caused to women. Put your soapbox back in the

cupboard

Yeah. The question still applies. "

And the answer still applies

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"If an women did it for those reasons, surely, it says a lot about our society that a woman feels that is the only way to further her career or get her talents recognised??"

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

So some women felt they had to sleep with him in order to progress their careers and he's the one being used? Right!

Exactly how could these women be exploiting him? He has complete free choice over whether he advances their careers or not. If he slept with them and just chose not to fulfil his side of the bargain, exactly what would they do? Who would they complain to that they slept with him to advance their careers and he didn't follow through with it?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Here's to the #metoo movement. Solidarity. We don't have to suffer in silence anymore.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Your post starts off with what you have seen females do all in the post about him says all I need to know I

Ok, so you're going to disregard the second part of my post to suit your agenda. We're probably not suited to discuss this with each other

Just a little confused why u didn't call it out for what it is at first instead of picking out women not having a go but read over your post and see how it might look"

I was trying to broaden out the discussion based on how the op was framed. Nothing ever gets done about these issues unless every contributory factor is discussed.

Men like him are scum.

Women exist in a society where often the only influence they have is sexual.

Until that changes things will stay the same. However discussion seems impossible

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Here's to the #metoo movement. Solidarity. We don't have to suffer in silence anymore."

I stand with that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

these big hollywood big whits have been doing this since the dawn of hollywood its not always been desperate men its been women throwing themselves to get what they wanted too i have no doubt hes a serial creepy sex offender but i do wonder how many women have ''jumped on the bandwagon smelling the money ''

he deserves to be locked up and keys thrown away but if any if those women have lied and its proven then i hope the same is done to them too.

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By *agicfingerslovelyMan
over a year ago

Rugby


"I wonder how many women used him to further their careers

He’s a filthy scumbag for sure

I wonder how many did and felt sad and disgusting afterwards.

I wonder how many did and got nowhere.

I wonder how many did because their careers are in the hands of men like him.

I don't understand your comment really OP.

It's not about the choices women made .. it's about all the choice he took away by his consistent abuse of power and of women. "

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham


"these big hollywood big whits have been doing this since the dawn of hollywood its not always been desperate men its been women throwing themselves to get what they wanted too i have no doubt hes a serial creepy sex offender but i do wonder how many women have ''jumped on the bandwagon smelling the money ''

he deserves to be locked up and keys thrown away but if any if those women have lied and its proven then i hope the same is done to them too.

"

I think they used to call it the casting couch

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"these big hollywood big whits have been doing this since the dawn of hollywood its not always been desperate men its been women throwing themselves to get what they wanted too i have no doubt hes a serial creepy sex offender but i do wonder how many women have ''jumped on the bandwagon smelling the money ''

he deserves to be locked up and keys thrown away but if any if those women have lied and its proven then i hope the same is done to them too.

I think they used to call it the casting couch"

They did and the imbalance of power between men and women is what made it possible. Often the only bargaining tool women have is their body. Frequently men exploit that. Sometimes but way less often women exploit that too but only because there is no alternative.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

the guy has nlimited cash he got taken to hospital instead of rikers island there launchin an appeal so i imagine he will get bail while that goes on then the case in l.a same will happen with that trial.when he eventually get locked up will resemble a country club more than a prison.in the u.s of a if you have money u buy your way out.look at epstien if it had been a nirmal joe they probably wouldnt of seen the light of day again.instead because of his money he done a bullshit light sentence at least last time he didnt make it out.dont get me wrong i think harvey should be put in a hole to rot chances are they will keep him out for ages then when he dies go away it gona be a lot less than he deserves

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"these big hollywood big whits have been doing this since the dawn of hollywood its not always been desperate men its been women throwing themselves to get what they wanted too i have no doubt hes a serial creepy sex offender but i do wonder how many women have ''jumped on the bandwagon smelling the money ''

he deserves to be locked up and keys thrown away but if any if those women have lied and its proven then i hope the same is done to them too.

I think they used to call it the casting couch

They did and the imbalance of power between men and women is what made it possible. Often the only bargaining tool women have is their body. Frequently men exploit that. Sometimes but way less often women exploit that too but only because there is no alternative."

People taking advantage of unsavoury choices in a system stacked against them, still had a system stacked against them. It's time to point our fingers at the system, not those who chose from bad options.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"these big hollywood big whits have been doing this since the dawn of hollywood its not always been desperate men its been women throwing themselves to get what they wanted too i have no doubt hes a serial creepy sex offender but i do wonder how many women have ''jumped on the bandwagon smelling the money ''

he deserves to be locked up and keys thrown away but if any if those women have lied and its proven then i hope the same is done to them too.

I think they used to call it the casting couch

They did and the imbalance of power between men and women is what made it possible. Often the only bargaining tool women have is their body. Frequently men exploit that. Sometimes but way less often women exploit that too but only because there is no alternative.

People taking advantage of unsavoury choices in a system stacked against them, still had a system stacked against them. It's time to point our fingers at the system, not those who chose from bad options."

Agreed.

I know my opinions on this aren't popular but I see this acted out almost daily to a lesser degree. The behaviour and the root causes of it need addressing and challenging

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"About time some people think they are above the law including royals"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not just women. I know an up and coming young male actor who has twice been offered a film role in exchange for sex. Both film producers were men.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"About time some people think they are above the law including royals "

She is. Only her though...

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool


"It's not just women. I know an up and coming young male actor who has twice been offered a film role in exchange for sex. Both film producers were men.

"

That's what Kevin Spacey got in trouble for wasn't it.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"I have seen women use their "feminine wiles" to get ahead in their careers, it undoubtedly happens. It's even possible that some women saw that HW was the kind of man that could be exploited in that way and used him to their advantage.

I think it's clear though that this man is a manipulative, abusive creep of the highest order who used power and influence to abuse women. There are too many men like him and the more they're exposed the better I'll like it."

My ex sister in law was a financial journalist. She said that when she was interviewing some male CEO of a multi national company she always made sure she wore a short skirt and let it ride up. That was the way to get juicy info she said.

Whilst women are often the victims of predatory males, women can also use their sexuality to their advantage.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"I have seen women use their "feminine wiles" to get ahead in their careers, it undoubtedly happens. It's even possible that some women saw that HW was the kind of man that could be exploited in that way and used him to their advantage.

I think it's clear though that this man is a manipulative, abusive creep of the highest order who used power and influence to abuse women. There are too many men like him and the more they're exposed the better I'll like it.

My ex sister in law was a financial journalist. She said that when she was interviewing some male CEO of a multi national company she always made sure she wore a short skirt and let it ride up. That was the way to get juicy info she said.

Whilst women are often the victims of predatory males, women can also use their sexuality to their advantage. "

So what? The two things have nothing to do with each other.

Can't we just condemn an abuser without having to add 'but some women...'?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's not just women. I know an up and coming young male actor who has twice been offered a film role in exchange for sex. Both film producers were men.

I think so. To be honest I don't really follow these stories, other than what you can't avoid stumbling over day to day...

That's what Kevin Spacey got in trouble for wasn't it."

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"I have seen women use their "feminine wiles" to get ahead in their careers, it undoubtedly happens. It's even possible that some women saw that HW was the kind of man that could be exploited in that way and used him to their advantage.

I think it's clear though that this man is a manipulative, abusive creep of the highest order who used power and influence to abuse women. There are too many men like him and the more they're exposed the better I'll like it.

My ex sister in law was a financial journalist. She said that when she was interviewing some male CEO of a multi national company she always made sure she wore a short skirt and let it ride up. That was the way to get juicy info she said.

Whilst women are often the victims of predatory males, women can also use their sexuality to their advantage.

So what? The two things have nothing to do with each other.

Can't we just condemn an abuser without having to add 'but some women...'?"

We can indeed condemn an abuser, but everyone saying "HW is a bastard" is, to my mind, a statement of the obvious and not very interesting.

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By *unguy891000Man
over a year ago

Bristol

All his money did he need to pressure women plenty of call girls

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I have seen women use their "feminine wiles" to get ahead in their careers, it undoubtedly happens. It's even possible that some women saw that HW was the kind of man that could be exploited in that way and used him to their advantage.

I think it's clear though that this man is a manipulative, abusive creep of the highest order who used power and influence to abuse women. There are too many men like him and the more they're exposed the better I'll like it.

My ex sister in law was a financial journalist. She said that when she was interviewing some male CEO of a multi national company she always made sure she wore a short skirt and let it ride up. That was the way to get juicy info she said.

Whilst women are often the victims of predatory males, women can also use their sexuality to their advantage. "

This is where the waters get muddied and part of the reason men like HW can continue to get away with their crimes.

The whole issue and factors and influences that contribute to it need airing and addressing but its such an emotive subject that its difficult for that to happen

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool


"I have seen women use their "feminine wiles" to get ahead in their careers, it undoubtedly happens. It's even possible that some women saw that HW was the kind of man that could be exploited in that way and used him to their advantage.

I think it's clear though that this man is a manipulative, abusive creep of the highest order who used power and influence to abuse women. There are too many men like him and the more they're exposed the better I'll like it.

My ex sister in law was a financial journalist. She said that when she was interviewing some male CEO of a multi national company she always made sure she wore a short skirt and let it ride up. That was the way to get juicy info she said.

Whilst women are often the victims of predatory males, women can also use their sexuality to their advantage.

So what? The two things have nothing to do with each other.

Can't we just condemn an abuser without having to add 'but some women...'?"

Agreed and the two things are hardly on par with each other.

As a woman attracted to both men and women, a woman trying to get information out of me by hitching up her skirt would just warrant an eye roll. A man coercing and bl*ckmailing me into sex is something entirely different.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"I have seen women use their "feminine wiles" to get ahead in their careers, it undoubtedly happens. It's even possible that some women saw that HW was the kind of man that could be exploited in that way and used him to their advantage.

I think it's clear though that this man is a manipulative, abusive creep of the highest order who used power and influence to abuse women. There are too many men like him and the more they're exposed the better I'll like it.

My ex sister in law was a financial journalist. She said that when she was interviewing some male CEO of a multi national company she always made sure she wore a short skirt and let it ride up. That was the way to get juicy info she said.

Whilst women are often the victims of predatory males, women can also use their sexuality to their advantage.

So what? The two things have nothing to do with each other.

Can't we just condemn an abuser without having to add 'but some women...'?

Agreed and the two things are hardly on par with each other.

As a woman attracted to both men and women, a woman trying to get information out of me by hitching up her skirt would just warrant an eye roll. A man coercing and bl*ckmailing me into sex is something entirely different."

I agree, they are very different. I was just picking up on nice couples comment re female use of sexuality. Probably ill advisedly

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool


"All his money did he need to pressure women plenty of call girls "

It's rarely about the sex, they usually get off on the power. Knowing they have the power to make of break someone and having them completely at their mercy as a result.

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By *unguy891000Man
over a year ago

Bristol


"All his money did he need to pressure women plenty of call girls

It's rarely about the sex, they usually get off on the power. Knowing they have the power to make of break someone and having them completely at their mercy as a result."
very true

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I find the "but the women" bit least interesting of all. Women have been blamed for this forever. Or men with less power. It's time to turn the narrative around.

Women will still be blamed. We'll still blame ourselves, we've been trained to. But too much, for too long. What about the men? The powerful perpetrators? Or even the average ones who know their victims won't speak up, or won't be believed?

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool


"I have seen women use their "feminine wiles" to get ahead in their careers, it undoubtedly happens. It's even possible that some women saw that HW was the kind of man that could be exploited in that way and used him to their advantage.

I think it's clear though that this man is a manipulative, abusive creep of the highest order who used power and influence to abuse women. There are too many men like him and the more they're exposed the better I'll like it.

My ex sister in law was a financial journalist. She said that when she was interviewing some male CEO of a multi national company she always made sure she wore a short skirt and let it ride up. That was the way to get juicy info she said.

Whilst women are often the victims of predatory males, women can also use their sexuality to their advantage.

So what? The two things have nothing to do with each other.

Can't we just condemn an abuser without having to add 'but some women...'?

Agreed and the two things are hardly on par with each other.

As a woman attracted to both men and women, a woman trying to get information out of me by hitching up her skirt would just warrant an eye roll. A man coercing and bl*ckmailing me into sex is something entirely different.

I agree, they are very different. I was just picking up on nice couples comment re female use of sexuality. Probably ill advisedly "

While it's something I wish didn't happen, I can't be mad at women who take advantage of the current status quo. If you know you're likely to be sexually exploited at some point in your career, you can at least maintain an element of control in doing so willingly.

I also think it's incredibly unfair on men to paint them as raving horndogs with so little self control that they can't turn down a woman's advances or even think clearly at the sight of a bit of thigh or cleavage. That's complete bollocks. There would also be next to no consequences for the men turning the women down. At least not compared to the women having their careers threatened. In fact societies attitudes to women and sex mean the woman would be very unlikely to admit to anyone that she offered a man sex.

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By *44bertCouple
over a year ago

Inverness


"I wonder how many women used him to further their careers

He’s a filthy scumbag for sure

"

You realise he's a rapist bag of shit, right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The comments about "feminine wiles" are redundant to the Weinstein situation. When using this argument you should ask yourself why some women feel the need to use their "feminine wiles" to either get a better job of a maybe to get a sale and why men never have to. It actually says a lot more about men's expectations of women than anything else.

And to use it to some how the and explain expoitation, says even more about men's expectations.

More power to "me to".

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"I have seen women use their "feminine wiles" to get ahead in their careers, it undoubtedly happens. It's even possible that some women saw that HW was the kind of man that could be exploited in that way and used him to their advantage.

I think it's clear though that this man is a manipulative, abusive creep of the highest order who used power and influence to abuse women. There are too many men like him and the more they're exposed the better I'll like it.

My ex sister in law was a financial journalist. She said that when she was interviewing some male CEO of a multi national company she always made sure she wore a short skirt and let it ride up. That was the way to get juicy info she said.

Whilst women are often the victims of predatory males, women can also use their sexuality to their advantage.

So what? The two things have nothing to do with each other.

Can't we just condemn an abuser without having to add 'but some women...'?

Agreed and the two things are hardly on par with each other.

As a woman attracted to both men and women, a woman trying to get information out of me by hitching up her skirt would just warrant an eye roll. A man coercing and bl*ckmailing me into sex is something entirely different.

I agree, they are very different. I was just picking up on nice couples comment re female use of sexuality. Probably ill advisedly

While it's something I wish didn't happen, I can't be mad at women who take advantage of the current status quo. If you know you're likely to be sexually exploited at some point in your career, you can at least maintain an element of control in doing so willingly.

I also think it's incredibly unfair on men to paint them as raving horndogs with so little self control that they can't turn down a woman's advances or even think clearly at the sight of a bit of thigh or cleavage. That's complete bollocks. There would also be next to no consequences for the men turning the women down. At least not compared to the women having their careers threatened. In fact societies attitudes to women and sex mean the woman would be very unlikely to admit to anyone that she offered a man sex."

I agree with most of what you say, but I think it's a bit naive to think that, at least on a low level basis, women can't often get what they want from men by exploiting their sexuality. It doesn't mean men are "raging horn dogs", it's just that we like being nice to people we find sexually attractive.

That's not a moral judgement by the way, just an observation of how the world works.

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool


"I have seen women use their "feminine wiles" to get ahead in their careers, it undoubtedly happens. It's even possible that some women saw that HW was the kind of man that could be exploited in that way and used him to their advantage.

I think it's clear though that this man is a manipulative, abusive creep of the highest order who used power and influence to abuse women. There are too many men like him and the more they're exposed the better I'll like it.

My ex sister in law was a financial journalist. She said that when she was interviewing some male CEO of a multi national company she always made sure she wore a short skirt and let it ride up. That was the way to get juicy info she said.

Whilst women are often the victims of predatory males, women can also use their sexuality to their advantage.

So what? The two things have nothing to do with each other.

Can't we just condemn an abuser without having to add 'but some women...'?

Agreed and the two things are hardly on par with each other.

As a woman attracted to both men and women, a woman trying to get information out of me by hitching up her skirt would just warrant an eye roll. A man coercing and bl*ckmailing me into sex is something entirely different.

I agree, they are very different. I was just picking up on nice couples comment re female use of sexuality. Probably ill advisedly

While it's something I wish didn't happen, I can't be mad at women who take advantage of the current status quo. If you know you're likely to be sexually exploited at some point in your career, you can at least maintain an element of control in doing so willingly.

I also think it's incredibly unfair on men to paint them as raving horndogs with so little self control that they can't turn down a woman's advances or even think clearly at the sight of a bit of thigh or cleavage. That's complete bollocks. There would also be next to no consequences for the men turning the women down. At least not compared to the women having their careers threatened. In fact societies attitudes to women and sex mean the woman would be very unlikely to admit to anyone that she offered a man sex.

I agree with most of what you say, but I think it's a bit naive to think that, at least on a low level basis, women can't often get what they want from men by exploiting their sexuality. It doesn't mean men are "raging horn dogs", it's just that we like being nice to people we find sexually attractive.

That's not a moral judgement by the way, just an observation of how the world works. "

I never said they can't. I said why I can't be mad about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That scumbag had too much power influence and money.

He manipulated the women,

Coerced them and groomed them.

He revelled in the ability to make or break a career.

Power corrupts and he deserves everything coming to him in prison.

I wonder if he manipulated aspiring male actors,by setting them up with unscrupulous agents who would peddle them around the sleaze of the underbelly of movie land.

The reason that scenario hasn't come out in the media is most men would be ashamed and frightened of the publicity.women on the other hand have the strength of character to expose the sleaze and should be applauded for it

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I have seen women use their "feminine wiles" to get ahead in their careers, it undoubtedly happens. It's even possible that some women saw that HW was the kind of man that could be exploited in that way and used him to their advantage.

I think it's clear though that this man is a manipulative, abusive creep of the highest order who used power and influence to abuse women. There are too many men like him and the more they're exposed the better I'll like it.

My ex sister in law was a financial journalist. She said that when she was interviewing some male CEO of a multi national company she always made sure she wore a short skirt and let it ride up. That was the way to get juicy info she said.

Whilst women are often the victims of predatory males, women can also use their sexuality to their advantage.

So what? The two things have nothing to do with each other.

Can't we just condemn an abuser without having to add 'but some women...'?

Agreed and the two things are hardly on par with each other.

As a woman attracted to both men and women, a woman trying to get information out of me by hitching up her skirt would just warrant an eye roll. A man coercing and bl*ckmailing me into sex is something entirely different.

I agree, they are very different. I was just picking up on nice couples comment re female use of sexuality. Probably ill advisedly

While it's something I wish didn't happen, I can't be mad at women who take advantage of the current status quo. If you know you're likely to be sexually exploited at some point in your career, you can at least maintain an element of control in doing so willingly.

I also think it's incredibly unfair on men to paint them as raving horndogs with so little self control that they can't turn down a woman's advances or even think clearly at the sight of a bit of thigh or cleavage. That's complete bollocks. There would also be next to no consequences for the men turning the women down. At least not compared to the women having their careers threatened. In fact societies attitudes to women and sex mean the woman would be very unlikely to admit to anyone that she offered a man sex."

Your last sentence says it all for me.

Society's attitude to sex is what has allowed thus to happen.

Women are frequently powerless and often sex is their only currency.

Change that and you change everything.

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By *tticusukMan
over a year ago

Formby


"I wonder how many women used him to further their careers

He’s a filthy scumbag for sure

I wonder how many did and felt sad and disgusting afterwards.

I wonder how many did and got nowhere.

I wonder how many did because their careers are in the hands of men like him.

I don't understand your comment really OP.

It's not about the choices women made .. it's about all the choice he took away by his consistent abuse of power and of women. "

Exactly this

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