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" Right or wrong ...ive got no data links..er b4 ime asked for em .. but i read some students are resorting to drug dealing and prostitution to pay there way through uni ...surely this has gotta be wrong. " That's what happens when they listen to the lib Dems. Fucking scum! | |||
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" Right or wrong ...ive got no data links..er b4 ime asked for em .. but i read some students are resorting to drug dealing and prostitution to pay there way through uni ...surely this has gotta be wrong. " why..they pay the fees after graduation and when they are earning over 21 grand...if they are dealing its cos they are paying for their own blow that way and if they are sex workers...well its better than working in macdonalds, but itis not to pay their student loans | |||
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" Right or wrong ...ive got no data links..er b4 ime asked for em .. but i read some students are resorting to drug dealing and prostitution to pay there way through uni ...surely this has gotta be wrong. why..they pay the fees after graduation and when they are earning over 21 grand...if they are dealing its cos they are paying for their own blow that way and if they are sex workers...well its better than working in macdonalds, but itis not to pay their student loans" I don't think he was referring to the loans. The actual fees for the tuition went up a few years back about 4 fold. I was fortunate to go through before they came in, I don't see how any one could afford them without help form parents etc these days... | |||
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" Right or wrong ...ive got no data links..er b4 ime asked for em .. but i read some students are resorting to drug dealing and prostitution to pay there way through uni ...surely this has gotta be wrong. why..they pay the fees after graduation and when they are earning over 21 grand...if they are dealing its cos they are paying for their own blow that way and if they are sex workers...well its better than working in macdonalds, but itis not to pay their student loans I don't think he was referring to the loans. The actual fees for the tuition went up a few years back about 4 fold. I was fortunate to go through before they came in, I don't see how any one could afford them without help form parents etc these days... " Should be same as Scotland. Btw nice ass  | |||
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" Right or wrong ...ive got no data links..er b4 ime asked for em .. but i read some students are resorting to drug dealing and prostitution to pay there way through uni ...surely this has gotta be wrong. why..they pay the fees after graduation and when they are earning over 21 grand...if they are dealing its cos they are paying for their own blow that way and if they are sex workers...well its better than working in macdonalds, but itis not to pay their student loans" Fair enough jemima just asking .. dont you think though that university fees discriminates against those that cant afford to place there kids in uni ..i heard that such tuition fees have to be paid up front. hence the subject of my thread etc. | |||
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" Right or wrong ...ive got no data links..er b4 ime asked for em .. but i read some students are resorting to drug dealing and prostitution to pay there way through uni ...surely this has gotta be wrong. why..they pay the fees after graduation and when they are earning over 21 grand...if they are dealing its cos they are paying for their own blow that way and if they are sex workers...well its better than working in macdonalds, but itis not to pay their student loans I don't think he was referring to the loans. The actual fees for the tuition went up a few years back about 4 fold. I was fortunate to go through before they came in, I don't see how any one could afford them without help form parents etc these days... "  i thats what i meant | |||
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" Should be same as Scotland. Btw nice ass "How's it done in Scotland? | |||
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" Should be same as Scotland. Btw nice ass
How's it done in Scotland?"They dont have to pay any i think, should be the same for all ..a free education ...wernt all taxpayers paying for kids to go to uni to start with through there taxes.....ive no objection to this ..dont we need to encourage our kids to better themselves where as our governments simply want to put em into a world of debt ? .....how does this make for a future great productive britain ?...lotta teens opt out cos they see a world of debt they cant pay of stacking shelves at tesco due to gaining a degree and no jobs to go to and see a life on benefits as an only option | |||
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" Should be same as Scotland. Btw nice ass
How's it done in Scotland?
They dont have to pay any i think, should be the same for all ..a free education ...wernt all taxpayers paying for kids to go to uni to start with through there taxes.....ive no objection to this ..dont we need to encourage our kids to better themselves where as our governments simply want to put em into a world of debt ? .....how does this make for a future great productive britain ?...lotta teens opt out cos they see a world of debt they cant pay of stacking shelves at tesco due to gaining a degree and no jobs to go to and see a life on benefits as an only option "Clearly the taxes can't cover everything though, and universities want new buildings and new equipment etc etc on top of staff fees, which need to increase, in a time when everything else is getting ridiculously expensive too! I like what Jemima almost accidentally stumbled on there though, if the loans can be paid back after, maybe the fees can be too? Even if you are paying off a long while after, in the long run one would surely be better off? | |||
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" Should be same as Scotland. Btw nice ass
How's it done in Scotland?
They dont have to pay any i think, should be the same for all ..a free education ...wernt all taxpayers paying for kids to go to uni to start with through there taxes.....ive no objection to this ..dont we need to encourage our kids to better themselves where as our governments simply want to put em into a world of debt ? .....how does this make for a future great productive britain ?...lotta teens opt out cos they see a world of debt they cant pay of stacking shelves at tesco due to gaining a degree and no jobs to go to and see a life on benefits as an only option
Clearly the taxes can't cover everything though, and universities want new buildings and new equipment etc etc on top of staff fees, which need to increase, in a time when everything else is getting ridiculously expensive too!
I like what Jemima almost accidentally stumbled on there though, if the loans can be paid back after, maybe the fees can be too? Even if you are paying off a long while after, in the long run one would surely be better off?"Fees are not paid up front they are in the form of loans | |||
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" Right or wrong ...ive got no data links..er b4 ime asked for em .. but i read some students are resorting to drug dealing and prostitution to pay there way through uni ...surely this has gotta be wrong. " I've read similar stories about girls turning to prostitution to fund Uni, but then some of them enjoyed the level of earnings so much that they continued to do it long after leaving Uni. As for Uni Fees, I agree with them, students should fund their own education. Why should I fund the education of people I don't know and will see no benefit from? If students have to fund their own degrees they'll be more inclined to complete the course instead of dropping out. 2007/08 figures show that 9% of students dropped out of Uni after the first year. Interestingly, Cambridge & Oxford saw drop out figures of just 3% for the same period, which shows that those students who are bright enough to go to Uni went to good Universities and completed their courses. Source: Guardian: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=rjOlMfz31BnVzx0HcijtiBg&single=true&gid=0&output=html | |||
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" lotta teens opt out cos they see a world of debt they cant pay of stacking shelves at tesco due to gaining a degree and no jobs to go to and see a life on benefits as an only option " That's nonsense as graduates don't have to start repaying their Uni loans until they hit a certain salary level (£25k I think) and they're certainly not going to hit that level stacking shelves at Tescos. If they fail to hit £25k after 30 years then the loan is wiped out automatically. | |||
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" Should be same as Scotland. Btw nice ass
How's it done in Scotland?
They dont have to pay any i think, should be the same for all ..a free education ...wernt all taxpayers paying for kids to go to uni to start with through there taxes.....ive no objection to this ..dont we need to encourage our kids to better themselves where as our governments simply want to put em into a world of debt ? .....how does this make for a future great productive britain ?...lotta teens opt out cos they see a world of debt they cant pay of stacking shelves at tesco due to gaining a degree and no jobs to go to and see a life on benefits as an only option
Clearly the taxes can't cover everything though, and universities want new buildings and new equipment etc etc on top of staff fees, which need to increase, in a time when everything else is getting ridiculously expensive too!
I like what Jemima almost accidentally stumbled on there though, if the loans can be paid back after, maybe the fees can be too? Even if you are paying off a long while after, in the long run one would surely be better off?
Fees are not paid up front they are in the form of loans"Ah I see... was all a bit different for me! | |||
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" lotta teens opt out cos they see a world of debt they cant pay of stacking shelves at tesco due to gaining a degree and no jobs to go to and see a life on benefits as an only option That's nonsense as graduates don't have to start repaying their Uni loans until they hit a certain salary level (£25k I think) and they're certainly not going to hit that level stacking shelves at Tescos. If they fail to hit £25k after 30 years then the loan is wiped out automatically." its 21k and maybe 15k in some circumstances | |||
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" its 21k and maybe 15k in some circumstances" Thanks for the clarification. I'm too tired to google lol | |||
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" Right or wrong ...ive got no data links..er b4 ime asked for em .. but i read some students are resorting to drug dealing and prostitution to pay there way through uni ...surely this has gotta be wrong. I've read similar stories about girls turning to prostitution to fund Uni, but then some of them enjoyed the level of earnings so much that they continued to do it long after leaving Uni. As for Uni Fees, I agree with them, students should fund their own education. Why should I fund the education of people I don't know and will see no benefit from? If students have to fund their own degrees they'll be more inclined to complete the course instead of dropping out. 2007/08 figures show that 9% of students dropped out of Uni after the first year. Interestingly, Cambridge & Oxford saw drop out figures of just 3% for the same period, which shows that those students who are bright enough to go to Uni went to good Universities and completed their courses. Source: Guardian: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=rjOlMfz31BnVzx0HcijtiBg&single=true&gid=0&output=html" yeah i spose it stops and makes Some of them think of pursuing worth while careers to instead of them doing worthless courses such as media studies that aint gonna get them a career in the real world. but i still believe in a free education for all. | |||
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"Wishy - as a parent for years I have contributed to paying for people to go to uni - now I have to support my own children in uni can I get my money back from the those who graduated years ago secondly you will benefit from those students who graduate now they are the ones who will be paying the tax to ensure you have health and social care, a pension and all the other services you may rely on when you get old "No, I won't be relying on them as I have already provided for my old age myself. I'll look after my kids and give them what they need, I don't need anyone else to do it for me tyvm. I'll pay for my kid's accommodation when they go but they will pay their course fees as that will teach them the value of money. | |||
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" Should be same as Scotland. Btw nice ass
How's it done in Scotland?
They dont have to pay any i think, should be the same for all ..a free education ...wernt all taxpayers paying for kids to go to uni to start with through there taxes.....ive no objection to this ..dont we need to encourage our kids to better themselves where as our governments simply want to put em into a world of debt ? .....how does this make for a future great productive britain ?...lotta teens opt out cos they see a world of debt they cant pay of stacking shelves at tesco due to gaining a degree and no jobs to go to and see a life on benefits as an only option
Clearly the taxes can't cover everything though, and universities want new buildings and new equipment etc etc on top of staff fees, which need to increase, in a time when everything else is getting ridiculously expensive too!
I like what Jemima almost accidentally stumbled on there though, if the loans can be paid back after, maybe the fees can be too? Even if you are paying off a long while after, in the long run one would surely be better off?
Fees are not paid up front they are in the form of loans
Ah I see... was all a bit different for me! "....how do you mean ...you had to pay up front ? | |||
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"yeah i spose it stops and makes Some of them think of pursuing worth while careers to instead of them doing worthless courses such as media studies that aint gonna get them a career in the real world. but i still believe in a free education for all. " As do I, up until the age of 18 (as it is now). After that, if they want to go onto University then they should fund it themselves. | |||
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" Should be same as Scotland. Btw nice ass
How's it done in Scotland?
They dont have to pay any i think, should be the same for all ..a free education ...wernt all taxpayers paying for kids to go to uni to start with through there taxes.....ive no objection to this ..dont we need to encourage our kids to better themselves where as our governments simply want to put em into a world of debt ? .....how does this make for a future great productive britain ?...lotta teens opt out cos they see a world of debt they cant pay of stacking shelves at tesco due to gaining a degree and no jobs to go to and see a life on benefits as an only option
Clearly the taxes can't cover everything though, and universities want new buildings and new equipment etc etc on top of staff fees, which need to increase, in a time when everything else is getting ridiculously expensive too!
I like what Jemima almost accidentally stumbled on there though, if the loans can be paid back after, maybe the fees can be too? Even if you are paying off a long while after, in the long run one would surely be better off?
Fees are not paid up front they are in the form of loans
Ah I see... was all a bit different for me! ....how do you mean ...you had to pay up front ?"My loan was from the bank of Dad  therefore I was never eligible for a loan for the fees... they paid, and I owe them. So yes they paid up front. | |||
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"Wishy - as a parent for years I have contributed to paying for people to go to uni - now I have to support my own children in uni can I get my money back from the those who graduated years ago secondly you will benefit from those students who graduate now they are the ones who will be paying the tax to ensure you have health and social care, a pension and all the other services you may rely on when you get old
No, I won't be relying on them as I have already provided for my old age myself. I'll look after my kids and give them what they need, I don't need anyone else to do it for me tyvm. I'll pay for my kid's accommodation when they go but they will pay their course fees as that will teach them the value of money."Lol Wishy I'll be checking on you until your dying day - because you will be a true exception if yo don't ever pick up any universal healthcare or social care or state benefits - do you honestly say you are not going to even collect your state pension | |||
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"Wishy - as a parent for years I have contributed to paying for people to go to uni - now I have to support my own children in uni can I get my money back from the those who graduated years ago secondly you will benefit from those students who graduate now they are the ones who will be paying the tax to ensure you have health and social care, a pension and all the other services you may rely on when you get old
No, I won't be relying on them as I have already provided for my old age myself. I'll look after my kids and give them what they need, I don't need anyone else to do it for me tyvm. I'll pay for my kid's accommodation when they go but they will pay their course fees as that will teach them the value of money."I wishy nice to hear you can but what about those that cant afford to pay the tuition fees let alone the accomodation shouldnt they be allowed the choice to pursue further education to via uni allowing a level playing field for all.....ime not having a go just asking your thoughts on those that cant. | |||
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"Lol Wishy I'll be checking on you until your dying day - because you will be a true exception if yo don't ever pick up any universal healthcare or social care or state benefits - do you honestly say you are not going to even collect your state pension " Of course I'll collect my state pension - I'll have had 29 qualifying years of N.I. contribs that will entitle me to. But it won't be something I'll rely upon to see me through each month, more like a holiday fund to take me and the wife to warmer climes in the winter months, where we'll have a nice apartment in say, Madrid, or Barcelona. | |||
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" Should be same as Scotland. Btw nice ass
How's it done in Scotland?
They dont have to pay any i think, should be the same for all ..a free education ...wernt all taxpayers paying for kids to go to uni to start with through there taxes.....ive no objection to this ..dont we need to encourage our kids to better themselves where as our governments simply want to put em into a world of debt ? .....how does this make for a future great productive britain ?...lotta teens opt out cos they see a world of debt they cant pay of stacking shelves at tesco due to gaining a degree and no jobs to go to and see a life on benefits as an only option
Clearly the taxes can't cover everything though, and universities want new buildings and new equipment etc etc on top of staff fees, which need to increase, in a time when everything else is getting ridiculously expensive too!
I like what Jemima almost accidentally stumbled on there though, if the loans can be paid back after, maybe the fees can be too? Even if you are paying off a long while after, in the long run one would surely be better off?
Fees are not paid up front they are in the form of loans
Ah I see... was all a bit different for me! ....how do you mean ...you had to pay up front ?
My loan was from the bank of Dad therefore I was never eligible for a loan for the fees... they paid, and I owe them. So yes they paid up front. "But you didnt pay up front - your course would have been heavily subsidised by the tax payer | |||
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"Lol Wishy I'll be checking on you until your dying day - because you will be a true exception if yo don't ever pick up any universal healthcare or social care or state benefits - do you honestly say you are not going to even collect your state pension Of course I'll collect my state pension - I'll have had 29 qualifying years of N.I. contribs that will entitle me to. But it won't be something I'll rely upon to see me through each month, more like a holiday fund to take me and the wife to warmer climes in the winter months, where we'll have a nice apartment in say, Madrid, or Barcelona. "But that pension will be paid by taxpayers of the future - if we dont have uni graduates we can't compete internationally and have the revenue to pay your pension - Your NI contributions are noy savings but are being used now - it is said that the country only has 3 weeks of revenue at any one time | |||
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" But you didnt pay up front - your course would have been heavily subsidised by the tax payer" Well you clearly know more than me, I assumed the fees were the fees... so is this raise in fees to remove the cost to the taxpayer altogether? | |||
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"I wishy nice to hear you can but what about those that cant afford to pay the tuition fees let alone the accomodation shouldnt they be allowed the choice to pursue further education to via uni allowing a level playing field for all.....ime not having a go just asking your thoughts on those that cant. " It's already been pointed out on this thread that anyone who wants to go can go, they don't repay their loans until after they've finished their course AND are earning £21k or more. Nothing is stopping them from going apart from the scaremongering of people who want to attack the govt for bringing in a fair system of making those who learn pay for it. Paying for accommodation is no different now than before Uni fees were introduced and students raise their living expenses in much the same way as before - but of course, those lucky enough to have parents who can fund it are fortunate. As a parent myself, I'd rest easy knowing my child is living in a decent home while away and I'd gladly pay for that peace of mind. My intention is to wait until my children choose the Uni they want to go to and then we'll go to that town/city and buy a house for them to live in. They'll house share with three or four friends and the rent collected will pay the mortgage. When they finish Uni we sell up and I get my money back. If there isn't any equity in it then I'll keep it as ongoing student accommodation and hand it over to a management company. | |||
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" Right or wrong ...ive got no data links..er b4 ime asked for em .. but i read some students are resorting to drug dealing and prostitution to pay there way through uni ...surely this has gotta be wrong. why..they pay the fees after graduation and when they are earning over 21 grand...if they are dealing its cos they are paying for their own blow that way and if they are sex workers...well its better than working in macdonalds, but itis not to pay their student loans I don't think he was referring to the loans. The actual fees for the tuition went up a few years back about 4 fold. I was fortunate to go through before they came in, I don't see how any one could afford them without help form parents etc these days... i thats what i meant "ahhh ok, sorry i misunderstood.
Uni should be free...just as it ws for the twunts who have now pulled up the ladder after them.
i would have a rule that everyone was entitled to 3 free years of tertiary level education, not just 18 year olds, but the 40 year old who wanted to retrain as a nurse and the 50 year old who wanted to do a degree for the first time.
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" A country that does not value education is a country whose values are fecked..." *Nods head in agreement* | |||
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" A country that does not value education is a country whose values are fecked... *Nods head in agreement*" how can we tell | |||
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"Just as scandalous is the course and accommodation allocation . My niece couldnt get digs on campus because the rooms are allocated to foreign students before British students. At a time when students are being turned away for lack of course places surely british students should get priority placements." As I understand it you only get on campus accommodation in your first year, then you have to find your own. | |||
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"As a student i can tell you that without help from your parents it is extremely hard to go to uni unless you have saved up thousands before hand or are prepared to not focus on your education and work a full time job around it. You do not have to pay tuition fees up front and you only start paying them off (about 3500 p/a in most places) once you are earning over 16grand+. It is sold as "the best debt youll ever have" because the interest is so relatively tiny compared to a loan or mortgage. It is the cost of living that is driving students into more desperate ways of getting by. The only thing that students need to pay for while theyre at uni is rent and food etc. The more money your parents earn, the less you get from the student loans company but no matter their income, everyone gets their tuition fees paid for, directly by the loans company, you never see that money. As a minimum (if your parents household income is above 50grand) you get just over a grand a semester. If you dont have a car or go crazy, this is plenty to live off (about 60 quid a week) if you arent paying your own rent. Its not the tuition fees that should put people off going to uni, its the price of living! Yes with 9 grand tuition fees youll be paying them off until youre 50, but at least youll have a job." good post | |||
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"I'm in 2 minds about the new structure of tuition fees. Under the old system universities were only allowed to charge a single fixed sum for the tuition of any subject - they responded by closing departments which stood to make a loss because the tuition didn't cover the cost if delivery - chemistry and engineering being prime examples - and ramping up their capacity for degrees that could be taught cheaply and make profits - psychology is often cited as a classic example. Of course the problem is that, with the exception of a very small number if top unis who genuinely offer a top class psychology degree, its mostly a course for dossers, and now, more than any other time in recent history, is a time when we could really use highly skilled and educated chemists and engineers a lot more than we need a bunch of people with liberal arts degrees. So if the new system encourages universities to ramp up their offerings in genuinely worthwhile degree subjects, allows them to improve standards, and forces prospective students to think a little more carefully and seriously about their choice of degree, then I'm all for the changes. However tuition fees aren't necessarily the main problem as I see it - a bigger issue is the way the previous government decided that our universities should be run as businesses (but at the same time hamstrung them with the fixed sum tuition fee) - and while there's nothing intrinsically wrong with universities making a profit, profit motives can lead to short-term planning - which isn't really the ideal situation for organisations which play such a large role in shaping the workforce we will have for the next 40 years" thats a from me | |||
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" Uni should be free...just as it ws for the twunts who have now pulled up the ladder after them. i would have a rule that everyone was entitled to 3 free years of tertiary level education, not just 18 year olds, but the 40 year old who wanted to retrain as a nurse and the 50 year old who wanted to do a degree for the first time. " Paid for by whom?  | |||
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" Uni should be free...just as it ws for the twunts who have now pulled up the ladder after them. i would have a rule that everyone was entitled to 3 free years of tertiary level education, not just 18 year olds, but the 40 year old who wanted to retrain as a nurse and the 50 year old who wanted to do a degree for the first time. Paid for by whom? "us the taxpayers i think, wishy ..which i dont object to ...i do object to paying for some civillan servants gold plated pension though through me taxes just so labour could sustain power by employing its voters. and even more so when said government robbed me of my private one ...ime sure the labour lot had posters of maxwell on there walls to adore. | |||
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"I'm in 2 minds about the new structure of tuition fees. Under the old system universities were only allowed to charge a single fixed sum for the tuition of any subject - they responded by closing departments which stood to make a loss because the tuition didn't cover the cost if delivery - chemistry and engineering being prime examples - and ramping up their capacity for degrees that could be taught cheaply and make profits - psychology is often cited as a classic example. Of course the problem is that, with the exception of a very small number if top unis who genuinely offer a top class psychology degree, its mostly a course for dossers, and now, more than any other time in recent history, is a time when we could really use highly skilled and educated chemists and engineers a lot more than we need a bunch of people with liberal arts degrees. So if the new system encourages universities to ramp up their offerings in genuinely worthwhile degree subjects, allows them to improve standards, and forces prospective students to think a little more carefully and seriously about their choice of degree, then I'm all for the changes. However tuition fees aren't necessarily the main problem as I see it - a bigger issue is the way the previous government decided that our universities should be run as businesses (but at the same time hamstrung them with the fixed sum tuition fee) - and while there's nothing intrinsically wrong with universities making a profit, profit motives can lead to short-term planning - which isn't really the ideal situation for organisations which play such a large role in shaping the workforce we will have for the next 40 years" "We could really use highly skilled and educated chemists and engineers a lot more than we need a bunch of people with liberal art degrees". There speaks a true child of Thatcher. Who, precisely is 'We"? The pharmaceutical companies? The construction companies? | |||
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"Wishy - as a parent for years I have contributed to paying for people to go to uni - now I have to support my own children in uni can I get my money back from the those who graduated years ago secondly you will benefit from those students who graduate now they are the ones who will be paying the tax to ensure you have health and social care, a pension and all the other services you may rely on when you get old "Agreed | |||
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""We could really use highly skilled and educated chemists and engineers a lot more than we need a bunch of people with liberal art degrees". There speaks a true child of Thatcher. Who, precisely is 'We"? The pharmaceutical companies? The construction companies? " The British People? | |||
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" Uni should be free...just as it ws for the twunts who have now pulled up the ladder after them. i would have a rule that everyone was entitled to 3 free years of tertiary level education, not just 18 year olds, but the 40 year old who wanted to retrain as a nurse and the 50 year old who wanted to do a degree for the first time. Paid for by whom?
us the taxpayers i think, wishy ..which i dont object to ...i do object to paying for some civillan servants gold plated pension though through me taxes just so labour could sustain power by employing its voters. and even more so when said government robbed me of my private one ...ime sure the labour lot had posters of maxwell on there walls to adore."Ok, point taken, wrong question. Paid for HOW then? | |||
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" Uni should be free...just as it ws for the twunts who have now pulled up the ladder after them. i would have a rule that everyone was entitled to 3 free years of tertiary level education, not just 18 year olds, but the 40 year old who wanted to retrain as a nurse and the 50 year old who wanted to do a degree for the first time. Paid for by whom?
us the taxpayers i think, wishy ..which i dont object to ...i do object to paying for some civillan servants gold plated pension though through me taxes just so labour could sustain power by employing its voters. and even more so when said government robbed me of my private one ...ime sure the labour lot had posters of maxwell on there walls to adore.
Ok, point taken, wrong question.
Paid for HOW then?"paid for as it was in the beggining by us the taxpayers. Taxpayers didnt begrudge paying to provide a free education at the time did they ? then tony blair comes along and throws the money we were paying for free education at his m8s in brussells to try buy his emperor of europe title ...his shouts of education education education only for the few who can afford it rather than the masses. | |||
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" Uni should be free...just as it ws for the twunts who have now pulled up the ladder after them. i would have a rule that everyone was entitled to 3 free years of tertiary level education, not just 18 year olds, but the 40 year old who wanted to retrain as a nurse and the 50 year old who wanted to do a degree for the first time. Paid for by whom?
us the taxpayers i think, wishy ..which i dont object to ...i do object to paying for some civillan servants gold plated pension though through me taxes just so labour could sustain power by employing its voters. and even more so when said government robbed me of my private one ...ime sure the labour lot had posters of maxwell on there walls to adore."your taxes dont pay public sector pensions, peoples pension contributions do that. Not sure why u think nurses doctors firemen cleaners teachers early years workers physiotherapists, radioligists, policemen, paramedics to name a few, all vote labour, dont deserve decent pensions or in some magical way have not paid tax and contributed to their own final salary pensions. Your private pension fell in value (as you will have been advised could happen)so you want to drag everyone else down...nice | |||
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" Uni should be free...just as it ws for the twunts who have now pulled up the ladder after them. i would have a rule that everyone was entitled to 3 free years of tertiary level education, not just 18 year olds, but the 40 year old who wanted to retrain as a nurse and the 50 year old who wanted to do a degree for the first time. Paid for by whom?
us the taxpayers i think, wishy ..which i dont object to ...i do object to paying for some civillan servants gold plated pension though through me taxes just so labour could sustain power by employing its voters. and even more so when said government robbed me of my private one ...ime sure the labour lot had posters of maxwell on there walls to adore."free university and grants were abolished in 1992 . Nothing to do with Blair.i was the last cohort to get a grant and fees were brought in in 1989. | |||
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" Uni should be free...just as it ws for the twunts who have now pulled up the ladder after them. i would have a rule that everyone was entitled to 3 free years of tertiary level education, not just 18 year olds, but the 40 year old who wanted to retrain as a nurse and the 50 year old who wanted to do a degree for the first time. Paid for by whom?
us the taxpayers i think, wishy ..which i dont object to ...i do object to paying for some civillan servants gold plated pension though through me taxes just so labour could sustain power by employing its voters. and even more so when said government robbed me of my private one ...ime sure the labour lot had posters of maxwell on there walls to adore.
your taxes dont pay public sector pensions, peoples pension contributions do that. Not sure why u think nurses doctors firemen cleaners teachers early years workers physiotherapists, radioligists, policemen, paramedics to name a few, all vote labour, dont deserve decent pensions or in some magical way have not paid tax and contributed to their own final salary pensions.
Your private pension fell in value (as you will have been advised could happen)so you want to drag everyone else down...nice
"Anyone who contributes to a pension scheme deserves a decent return however final salary schemes as the public sector have had in the past are unsustainable and have to end. I see no reason making them comparable with the private sector for similar positions. | |||
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" Uni should be free...just as it ws for the twunts who have now pulled up the ladder after them. i would have a rule that everyone was entitled to 3 free years of tertiary level education, not just 18 year olds, but the 40 year old who wanted to retrain as a nurse and the 50 year old who wanted to do a degree for the first time. Paid for by whom?
us the taxpayers i think, wishy ..which i dont object to ...i do object to paying for some civillan servants gold plated pension though through me taxes just so labour could sustain power by employing its voters. and even more so when said government robbed me of my private one ...ime sure the labour lot had posters of maxwell on there walls to adore.
free university and grants were abolished in 1992 . Nothing to do with Blair.i was the last cohort to get a grant and fees were brought in in 1989."Bearing in mind the argument that free university education benefits society with the money these graduates will earn...has anyone who ever had a grant offered to pay it back? | |||
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" But you didnt pay up front - your course would have been heavily subsidised by the tax payer Well you clearly know more than me, I assumed the fees were the fees... so is this raise in fees to remove the cost to the taxpayer altogether? " Yes that's about the sum of it | |||
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" Uni should be free...just as it ws for the twunts who have now pulled up the ladder after them. i would have a rule that everyone was entitled to 3 free years of tertiary level education, not just 18 year olds, but the 40 year old who wanted to retrain as a nurse and the 50 year old who wanted to do a degree for the first time. Paid for by whom?
us the taxpayers i think, wishy ..which i dont object to ...i do object to paying for some civillan servants gold plated pension though through me taxes just so labour could sustain power by employing its voters. and even more so when said government robbed me of my private one ...ime sure the labour lot had posters of maxwell on there walls to adore.
your taxes dont pay public sector pensions, peoples pension contributions do that. Not sure why u think nurses doctors firemen cleaners teachers early years workers physiotherapists, radioligists, policemen, paramedics to name a few, all vote labour, dont deserve decent pensions or in some magical way have not paid tax and contributed to their own final salary pensions.
Your private pension fell in value (as you will have been advised could happen)so you want to drag everyone else down...nice
Anyone who contributes to a pension scheme deserves a decent return however final salary schemes as the public sector have had in the past are unsustainable and have to end. I see no reason making them comparable with the private sector for similar positions. "which ones are unsustainable, independent analysts found the nhs, teachers and fire service pensions were fully funded for the next 20 years at least. People paid large sums into those pensions, its not money that magically was gifted to them. My father was a fireman, he paid 18% of his salary each month into his pension... dragging everyone down is not the answer...nor believing everything you read in the mail. | |||
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" Uni should be free...just as it ws for the twunts who have now pulled up the ladder after them. i would have a rule that everyone was entitled to 3 free years of tertiary level education, not just 18 year olds, but the 40 year old who wanted to retrain as a nurse and the 50 year old who wanted to do a degree for the first time. Paid for by whom?
us the taxpayers i think, wishy ..which i dont object to ...i do object to paying for some civillan servants gold plated pension though through me taxes just so labour could sustain power by employing its voters. and even more so when said government robbed me of my private one ...ime sure the labour lot had posters of maxwell on there walls to adore.
your taxes dont pay public sector pensions, peoples pension contributions do that. Not sure why u think nurses doctors firemen cleaners teachers early years workers physiotherapists, radioligists, policemen, paramedics to name a few, all vote labour, dont deserve decent pensions or in some magical way have not paid tax and contributed to their own final salary pensions.
Your private pension fell in value (as you will have been advised could happen)so you want to drag everyone else down...nice
Anyone who contributes to a pension scheme deserves a decent return however final salary schemes as the public sector have had in the past are unsustainable and have to end. I see no reason making them comparable with the private sector for similar positions.
which ones are unsustainable, independent analysts found the nhs, teachers and fire service pensions were fully funded for the next 20 years at least.
People paid large sums into those pensions, its not money that magically was gifted to them. My father was a fireman, he paid 18% of his salary each month into his pension...
dragging everyone down is not the answer...nor believing everything you read in the mail."I would check again with your 18% as that's not what firemen pay now or did. He may have paid more in by CHOICE but many do that in many sectors. As for your 20 years well prove your facts on that one as its incredibly vague and hard to believe. The real state of play is public sector pensions have to be tailored to private ones as people live longer and 30-40 years of final salary payouts which many may get are unsustainable. | |||
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"I dont see the big deeal people keep making about tuition fees, in the UK the government gives you the money and you pay it back when you start working for over £15 000 per annum. As for the drug selling and prostitution is not for tuition fees as some pointed out earlier. i dont see what the argument here why should taxpayers pay to send other peoples children to school, look at tuition fees all around the world the british rates are a mockery. they needed to go up to atleast £10 000 per year to provide the level of education. I am sorry but what does the british public want everything free. rather than winging about the government providing amenities for us why dont we learn to save and provide for ourselves. before people say they dont have any money everyone can put away £10 per month as simple as that it adds up. if you save £10 a month for 18 years you child will have a little nest egg to start university with and they could get a legitimate job which can help them if they are struggling. the government dont have any obligation to fund our children through university why should we expect them to. they give us reasonable help, i am sure that most countries would be grateful to have the help we do in the uk" Well said. | |||
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" Uni should be free...just as it ws for the twunts who have now pulled up the ladder after them. i would have a rule that everyone was entitled to 3 free years of tertiary level education, not just 18 year olds, but the 40 year old who wanted to retrain as a nurse and the 50 year old who wanted to do a degree for the first time. Paid for by whom?
us the taxpayers i think, wishy ..which i dont object to ...i do object to paying for some civillan servants gold plated pension though through me taxes just so labour could sustain power by employing its voters. and even more so when said government robbed me of my private one ...ime sure the labour lot had posters of maxwell on there walls to adore.
your taxes dont pay public sector pensions, peoples pension contributions do that. Not sure why u think nurses doctors firemen cleaners teachers early years workers physiotherapists, radioligists, policemen, paramedics to name a few, all vote labour, dont deserve decent pensions or in some magical way have not paid tax and contributed to their own final salary pensions.
Your private pension fell in value (as you will have been advised could happen)so you want to drag everyone else down...nice
Anyone who contributes to a pension scheme deserves a decent return however final salary schemes as the public sector have had in the past are unsustainable and have to end. I see no reason making them comparable with the private sector for similar positions.
which ones are unsustainable, independent analysts found the nhs, teachers and fire service pensions were fully funded for the next 20 years at least.
People paid large sums into those pensions, its not money that magically was gifted to them. My father was a fireman, he paid 18% of his salary each month into his pension...
dragging everyone down is not the answer...nor believing everything you read in the mail.
I would check again with your 18% as that's not what firemen pay now or did. He may have paid more in by CHOICE but many do that in many sectors.
As for your 20 years well prove your facts on that one as its incredibly vague and hard to believe.
The real state of play is public sector pensions have to be tailored to private ones as people live longer and 30-40 years of final salary payouts which many may get are unsustainable."google hutton report | |||
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" Uni should be free...just as it ws for the twunts who have now pulled up the ladder after them. i would have a rule that everyone was entitled to 3 free years of tertiary level education, not just 18 year olds, but the 40 year old who wanted to retrain as a nurse and the 50 year old who wanted to do a degree for the first time. Paid for by whom?
us the taxpayers i think, wishy ..which i dont object to ...i do object to paying for some civillan servants gold plated pension though through me taxes just so labour could sustain power by employing its voters. and even more so when said government robbed me of my private one ...ime sure the labour lot had posters of maxwell on there walls to adore.
your taxes dont pay public sector pensions, peoples pension contributions do that. Not sure why u think nurses doctors firemen cleaners teachers early years workers physiotherapists, radioligists, policemen, paramedics to name a few, all vote labour, dont deserve decent pensions or in some magical way have not paid tax and contributed to their own final salary pensions.
Your private pension fell in value (as you will have been advised could happen)so you want to drag everyone else down...nice
Anyone who contributes to a pension scheme deserves a decent return however final salary schemes as the public sector have had in the past are unsustainable and have to end. I see no reason making them comparable with the private sector for similar positions.
which ones are unsustainable, independent analysts found the nhs, teachers and fire service pensions were fully funded for the next 20 years at least.
People paid large sums into those pensions, its not money that magically was gifted to them. My father was a fireman, he paid 18% of his salary each month into his pension...
dragging everyone down is not the answer...nor believing everything you read in the mail.
I would check again with your 18% as that's not what firemen pay now or did. He may have paid more in by CHOICE but many do that in many sectors.
As for your 20 years well prove your facts on that one as its incredibly vague and hard to believe.
The real state of play is public sector pensions have to be tailored to private ones as people live longer and 30-40 years of final salary payouts which many may get are unsustainable.
google hutton report"Quote it if you want to back up your statement and prove its not inaccurate information you are typing. | |||
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" There speaks a true child of Thatcher. Who, precisely is 'We"? The pharmaceutical companies? The construction companies? " The errant red-headed step-child perhaps | |||
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"Wishy - as a parent for years I have contributed to paying for people to go to uni - now I have to support my own children in uni can I get my money back from the those who graduated years ago secondly you will benefit from those students who graduate now they are the ones who will be paying the tax to ensure you have health and social care, a pension and all the other services you may rely on when you get old
No, I won't be relying on them as I have already provided for my old age myself. I'll look after my kids and give them what they need, I don't need anyone else to do it for me tyvm. I'll pay for my kid's accommodation when they go but they will pay their course fees as that will teach them the value of money."Well arent you the fortunate one ,some people dont earn enough for the same privlage that you cal afford , so does this mean that if you cant afford you done get,your kids cant go on to better themselvs because there parents dont earn enough ,thats just wrong, I have suported my three doughters through uni ,but i am i suppose i am one of the fortunate ones ,but i came from working class stock and have never forgot where i came from ,education uni should be classles not just for the haves, thank god my moral stance is pointing in the wright way ,working class and proud ,never look down on someone who is less fortunate than yourself unless its to hold out your hand to help them up | |||
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" Uni should be free...just as it ws for the twunts who have now pulled up the ladder after them. i would have a rule that everyone was entitled to 3 free years of tertiary level education, not just 18 year olds, but the 40 year old who wanted to retrain as a nurse and the 50 year old who wanted to do a degree for the first time. Paid for by whom?
us the taxpayers i think, wishy ..which i dont object to ...i do object to paying for some civillan servants gold plated pension though through me taxes just so labour could sustain power by employing its voters. and even more so when said government robbed me of my private one ...ime sure the labour lot had posters of maxwell on there walls to adore.
your taxes dont pay public sector pensions, peoples pension contributions do that. Not sure why u think nurses doctors firemen cleaners teachers early years workers physiotherapists, radioligists, policemen, paramedics to name a few, all vote labour, dont deserve decent pensions or in some magical way have not paid tax and contributed to their own final salary pensions.
Your private pension fell in value (as you will have been advised could happen)so you want to drag everyone else down...nice
"I wasnt advised i was told by my employer at the time. I dont see why i being a private sector worker and now having to pay a ridiculous high monthly payments just to get back to where i was with my pension prior to gordon brown stealing it from me should have to fund some strangers pension via my ni /tax contributions just because they happen to be a civil servant... Its only "fair" they pay for there own pension so i can get back to paying mine dont you think. just a thought but if students were classed as civil servants during labours term in power you can be dammed sure blair would not have introduced tuition fees and a free education for all would still be the order of the day today. But as i said just a thought as labour were only ever interested in maintaing and safeguarding there own votes by overburdening us with there civillan servants ....i hope as some sort of karma the tories start reddressing the balance by making them pay for there own pensions. Again only fair if students have to pay for there own education then civil servants should have to pay for there own pensions, | |||
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" Uni should be free...just as it ws for the twunts who have now pulled up the ladder after them. i would have a rule that everyone was entitled to 3 free years of tertiary level education, not just 18 year olds, but the 40 year old who wanted to retrain as a nurse and the 50 year old who wanted to do a degree for the first time. Paid for by whom?
us the taxpayers i think, wishy ..which i dont object to ...i do object to paying for some civillan servants gold plated pension though through me taxes just so labour could sustain power by employing its voters. and even more so when said government robbed me of my private one ...ime sure the labour lot had posters of maxwell on there walls to adore.
your taxes dont pay public sector pensions, peoples pension contributions do that. Not sure why u think nurses doctors firemen cleaners teachers early years workers physiotherapists, radioligists, policemen, paramedics to name a few, all vote labour, dont deserve decent pensions or in some magical way have not paid tax and contributed to their own final salary pensions.
Your private pension fell in value (as you will have been advised could happen)so you want to drag everyone else down...nice
I wasnt advised i was told by my employer at the time.
I dont see why i being a private sector worker and now having to pay a ridiculous high monthly payments just to get back to where i was with my pension prior to gordon brown stealing it from me should have to fund some strangers pension via my ni /tax contributions just because they happen to be a civil servant...
Its only "fair" they pay for there own pension so i can get back to paying mine dont you think.
just a thought but if students were classed as civil servants during labours term in power you can be dammed sure blair would not have introduced tuition fees and a free education for all would still be the order of the day today. But as i said just a thought as labour were only ever interested in maintaing and safeguarding there own votes by overburdening us with there civillan servants ....i hope as some sort of karma the tories start reddressing the balance by making them pay for there own pensions. Again only fair if students have to pay for there own education then civil servants should have to pay for there own pensions, "Can I suggest you actually do some research before you post - you will find that that it helps to get your facts right and then people won't have to correct virtually everything you say | |||
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" Uni should be free...just as it ws for the twunts who have now pulled up the ladder after them. i would have a rule that everyone was entitled to 3 free years of tertiary level education, not just 18 year olds, but the 40 year old who wanted to retrain as a nurse and the 50 year old who wanted to do a degree for the first time. Paid for by whom?
us the taxpayers i think, wishy ..which i dont object to ...i do object to paying for some civillan servants gold plated pension though through me taxes just so labour could sustain power by employing its voters. and even more so when said government robbed me of my private one ...ime sure the labour lot had posters of maxwell on there walls to adore.
your taxes dont pay public sector pensions, peoples pension contributions do that. Not sure why u think nurses doctors firemen cleaners teachers early years workers physiotherapists, radioligists, policemen, paramedics to name a few, all vote labour, dont deserve decent pensions or in some magical way have not paid tax and contributed to their own final salary pensions.
Your private pension fell in value (as you will have been advised could happen)so you want to drag everyone else down...nice
I wasnt advised i was told by my employer at the time.
I dont see why i being a private sector worker and now having to pay a ridiculous high monthly payments just to get back to where i was with my pension prior to gordon brown stealing it from me should have to fund some strangers pension via my ni /tax contributions just because they happen to be a civil servant...
Its only "fair" they pay for there own pension so i can get back to paying mine dont you think.
just a thought but if students were classed as civil servants during labours term in power you can be dammed sure blair would not have introduced tuition fees and a free education for all would still be the order of the day today. But as i said just a thought as labour were only ever interested in maintaing and safeguarding there own votes by overburdening us with there civillan servants ....i hope as some sort of karma the tories start reddressing the balance by making them pay for there own pensions. Again only fair if students have to pay for there own education then civil servants should have to pay for there own pensions,
Can I suggest you actually do some research before you post - you will find that that it helps to get your facts right and then people won't have to correct virtually everything you say "in reply may i politley point out you do the same. My views are based on neutrality unlike yours which like to incorrectly point out infactual literature in favour of the labour party. Ime sure if labour ever get back in to power a peerage will be winging its way to you your lordship | |||
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