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Should christianity be taught in school?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Continue here, it was interesting to see the replies, when my parents went to school they had a lesson for it. I would say yes it is a very important subject to learn about. I am not sure why they removed I guess the world looked abit different in the 60s then to now. I agree with a poster that it is important cos you would understand people of different culture better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What do you mean by 'why they removed'?

Religious Studies is still taught and covers Christianity and other religions.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What do you mean by 'why they removed'?

Religious Studies is still taught and covers Christianity and other religions."
I meant like not teached as much. I guess it is diffferent depending on what country as in sweden it is not as common.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"What do you mean by 'why they removed'?

Religious Studies is still taught and covers Christianity and other religions.I meant like not teached as much. I guess it is diffferent depending on what country as in sweden it is not as common."

Because its no more true than Islam, Hinduism, Judaism etc are true and thus is now taught as a not terribly important cultural artifact as opposed to something that's true in the same sense historical facts or the laws of thermodynamics are true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What do you mean by 'why they removed'?

Religious Studies is still taught and covers Christianity and other religions.I meant like not teached as much. I guess it is diffferent depending on what country as in sweden it is not as common."

It is taught the same now as it was when I was in school 15-20 years ago. Nothing to worry about.

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By *Marvel-Man
over a year ago

In The Gym

I was taught Religious Education at school then at college. Hated it. So boring, dull, uninspiring and from my point of view just pointless. I had no choice but to be taught it as it was mandatory. I got nothing out of it being taught it for all thoughs years. I would have much rather had my time spent learning something useful that I could use my in future life.

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By *entakuruMan
over a year ago

Exeter

It is unfair to indoctrinate any child into a belief system. By all means teach them about religions of the world, but choosing to adhere to a particular faith or belief is a decision that should be made by a rational adult who has looked at and considered all the available options.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"It is unfair to indoctrinate any child into a belief system. By all means teach them about religions of the world, but choosing to adhere to a particular faith or belief is a decision that should be made by a rational adult who has looked at and considered all the available options. "

In what way unfair?? I was not "indoctrinated" but am mighty pleased I was brought up as Christian. The world would be a much better place if more folk were brought up with Christian values.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"It is unfair to indoctrinate any child into a belief system. By all means teach them about religions of the world, but choosing to adhere to a particular faith or belief is a decision that should be made by a rational adult who has looked at and considered all the available options.

In what way unfair?? I was not "indoctrinated" but am mighty pleased I was brought up as Christian. The world would be a much better place if more folk were brought up with Christian values. "

Because Christianity involves a highly contentious metaphysical belief system. I don't suppose you would want a child indoctrinated with Marxism, another highly contentious metaphysical belief system.

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip


"I was taught Religious Education at school then at college. Hated it. So boring, dull, uninspiring and from my point of view just pointless. I had no choice but to be taught it as it was mandatory. I got nothing out of it being taught it for all thoughs years. I would have much rather had my time spent learning something useful that I could use my in future life. "

The worst thing about my religious education (which was purely Christianity) wasn't that it was boring but that I was taught it is true. Sadly some things are dull for some people. It's unfortunate but not likely to be avoided. Religious education which is actually indoctrination is what I see as the real problem. Luke

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Because Christianity involves a highly contentious metaphysical belief system. I don't suppose you would want a child indoctrinated with Marxism, another highly contentious metaphysical belief system. "

No do not want any one indoctrinated with Marxism but very happy to see children brought up as Christians.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Because Christianity involves a highly contentious metaphysical belief system. I don't suppose you would want a child indoctrinated with Marxism, another highly contentious metaphysical belief system.

No do not want any one indoctrinated with Marxism but very happy to see children brought up as Christians."

What's the difference? You don't agree with Marxism so don't want children indoctrinated with it. I don't agree with Christianity so don't want children indoctrinated with it.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

Religious studies should be an optional subject. It should also be about the awareness of religions, the pros and cons of them. Not the inner workings of them.

Religion itself is a personal thing, it should left to home teachings.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Because Christianity involves a highly contentious metaphysical belief system. I don't suppose you would want a child indoctrinated with Marxism, another highly contentious metaphysical belief system.

No do not want any one indoctrinated with Marxism but very happy to see children brought up as Christians.

What's the difference? You don't agree with Marxism so don't want children indoctrinated with it. I don't agree with Christianity so don't want children indoctrinated with it. "

There is a very big difference.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Because Christianity involves a highly contentious metaphysical belief system. I don't suppose you would want a child indoctrinated with Marxism, another highly contentious metaphysical belief system.

No do not want any one indoctrinated with Marxism but very happy to see children brought up as Christians.

What's the difference? You don't agree with Marxism so don't want children indoctrinated with it. I don't agree with Christianity so don't want children indoctrinated with it. "

There is a very big difference between Christianity and Marxism.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Religious studies should be an optional subject. It should also be about the awareness of religions, the pros and cons of them. Not the inner workings of them.

Religion itself is a personal thing, it should left to home teachings. "

The practice of religion should be kept at home, yes.

But if you don't teach an overview of religions in school you end up with kids being taught a load of crazy and possibly harmful ideas and thinking it is true.

Think Westboro Baptist Church (the 'god hates fags' lot) or various religious groups that believe in genital mutilation.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Marxism is about the thoughts of one human being, Christianity is about a living God...

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Because Christianity involves a highly contentious metaphysical belief system. I don't suppose you would want a child indoctrinated with Marxism, another highly contentious metaphysical belief system.

No do not want any one indoctrinated with Marxism but very happy to see children brought up as Christians.

What's the difference? You don't agree with Marxism so don't want children indoctrinated with it. I don't agree with Christianity so don't want children indoctrinated with it.

There is a very big difference between Christianity and Marxism..... "

But they are both metaphysical belief systems which some people strongly agree with and some people strongly disagree with. Why should one be privileged over the other?

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip


"It is unfair to indoctrinate any child into a belief system. By all means teach them about religions of the world, but choosing to adhere to a particular faith or belief is a decision that should be made by a rational adult who has looked at and considered all the available options.

In what way unfair?? I was not "indoctrinated" but am mighty pleased I was brought up as Christian. The world would be a much better place if more folk were brought up with Christian values. "

It's unfair because children are very impressionable and they should be brought up being able to make up their own minds. I was indoctrinated at school and I'm very glad I found my way out of religion. Different people react in different ways to their experiences. If you hadn't been brought up as a Christian you might be equally pleased with the outcome. It seems to me the solution is to give people the information and tools to make sense of the world. Then they can work out their own path.

I also don't believe that Christianity offers the best values.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Marxism is about the thoughts of one human being, Christianity is about a living God..."

You are begging the question. Me and many other people belief Christianity is just as much a human invention as Marxism.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Christianity should be taught in school and nurtured at home by loving parents....

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Christianity should be taught in school and nurtured at home by loving parents...."

Why do you think your beliefs should be imposed on children?

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Marxism is about the thoughts of one human being, Christianity is about a living God...

You are begging the question. Me and many other people belief Christianity is just as much a human invention as Marxism."

No, Christianity comes from a Christian God not an invention of man.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Christianity should be taught in school and nurtured at home by loving parents....

Why do you think your beliefs should be imposed on children? "

Not imposed....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wouldn't being active on this website be frowned upon, within a christian belief system?

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Marxism is about the thoughts of one human being, Christianity is about a living God...

You are begging the question. Me and many other people belief Christianity is just as much a human invention as Marxism.

No, Christianity comes from a Christian God not an invention of man."

This is pointless. Its obviously what you believe but you take no account of the fact that a large number of people do not believe that.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Wouldn't being active on this website be frowned upon, within a christian belief system?"

Errr...why ???

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Wouldn't being active on this website be frowned upon, within a christian belief system?

Errr...why ???"

Because Christianity says that the only valid form of sex is between a married couple. Fornication is a sin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wouldn't being active on this website be frowned upon, within a christian belief system?

Errr...why ???"

Do you not follow the Bible? It has a lot to say about infidelity, which you are actively enabling when you meet couples for sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Amazing to invoke the concept of a living god as the trump card to your argument when you're on here for gangbangs and the like.

See a lot of weird stuff on these forums but nothing has bemused me like this.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Wouldn't being active on this website be frowned upon, within a christian belief system?

Errr...why ???

Do you not follow the Bible? It has a lot to say about infidelity, which you are actively enabling when you meet couples for sex."

I try to follow Christian principles. Do I fail sometimes, yes of course I do. All Christians realize they commit sins....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wouldn't being active on this website be frowned upon, within a christian belief system?

Errr...why ???

Do you not follow the Bible? It has a lot to say about infidelity, which you are actively enabling when you meet couples for sex.

I try to follow Christian principles. Do I fail sometimes, yes of course I do. All Christians realize they commit sins...."

So what other sins do you wilfully seek out? The idea is that you actively try not to do them, you know?

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip


"Wouldn't being active on this website be frowned upon, within a christian belief system?

Errr...why ???

Do you not follow the Bible? It has a lot to say about infidelity, which you are actively enabling when you meet couples for sex.

I try to follow Christian principles. Do I fail sometimes, yes of course I do. All Christians realize they commit sins...."

Does that mean you think you shouldn't be on Fab or not?

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Wouldn't being active on this website be frowned upon, within a christian belief system?

Errr...why ???

Do you not follow the Bible? It has a lot to say about infidelity, which you are actively enabling when you meet couples for sex.

I try to follow Christian principles. Do I fail sometimes, yes of course I do. All Christians realize they commit sins...."

Yes, but surely the point of Christianity is to try to avoid committing sins. You are actively asking people to committ sins.

How can that possibly be reconciled with being a Christian?

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Does that mean you think you shouldn't be on Fab or not? "

Just a means of communication....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does that mean you think you shouldn't be on Fab or not?

Just a means of communication...."

This lifestyle that you have then, not just 'being on fab'.

Sorry, but why should I trust anyone to teach their kids 'Christian values' if they are demonstrating that those values don't actually matter so long as you remember to apologise after you've gleefully gone against them?

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Yes, I do find it a challenge being a Christian and living with my own sexuality....

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Yes, I do find it a challenge being a Christian and living with my own sexuality.... "

But you're not even trying. You realise fornication is a sin, yet here you are asking people to commit it with you.

If were really trying to avoid sin, you wouldn't have a profile on here, surely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does that mean you think you shouldn't be on Fab or not?

Just a means of communication...."

Your verifications make you a complete hypocrite mate

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip


"Does that mean you think you shouldn't be on Fab or not?

Just a means of communication...."

You appear to be actively seeking a fuck-buddy. That seems to make this a bit more than just a means of communication.

Anyway, I don't want to make this a personal attack on you. I mean you no ill will. I'm happy to talk about beliefs but I hope this doesn't become a bash-a-Christian thread. I wouldn't take part in that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes, I do find it a challenge being a Christian and living with my own sexuality.... "

It isn't like being gay, which isn't a choice. You are actively deciding to do it.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Does that mean you think you shouldn't be on Fab or not?

Just a means of communication....

You appear to be actively seeking a fuck-buddy. That seems to make this a bit more than just a means of communication.

Anyway, I don't want to make this a personal attack on you. I mean you no ill will. I'm happy to talk about beliefs but I hope this doesn't become a bash-a-Christian thread. I wouldn't take part in that. "

If you come on here saying children should be indoctrinated in your highly contentious belief system whilst demonstrating that you don't abide by it yourself, I don't think you can really complain if you are criticised robustly...

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By *abasaurus RexMan
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

Yes, but so should other religions. For no other reason than to remove confusion and misunderstanding. Other than that I don’t believe religion has a place in the (state) education system at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to be clear, I'm not 'bashing' a Christian. I'm confronting the notion that being a Christian makes you a good judge of morality while actively enjoying and pursuing something that their belief system says is a sin.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Does that mean you think you shouldn't be on Fab or not?

Just a means of communication....

You appear to be actively seeking a fuck-buddy. That seems to make this a bit more than just a means of communication.

Anyway, I don't want to make this a personal attack on you. I mean you no ill will. I'm happy to talk about beliefs but I hope this doesn't become a bash-a-Christian thread. I wouldn't take part in that. "

Not in any way taken as a personal attack on me. As I said I do have difficulty reconciling my Christian beliefs with my sexual desires. Because I fail it does not make me want to give up being a Christian...

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

No, religion has no place in a forward thinking society, its the scourge of the modern day.

Just my opinion, before the judging folk start moaning.

Mr M.

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By *atonMan
over a year ago

barnet

Do you believe that an ignorant stone age jewish peasant woman circumnavigted the laws of physics and nature and was the subject of an immaculate conception? Or that said woman told a lie. Religion infantalises . Notions that are deemed plausible because they carry the mystique of antiquity would be laughed at and lambasted if they were contemporary. The burden of truth is with those who espouse the fantastic and the paranormal not with the pragmatist .Religion is for the most part not evil and can establish a moral compass and provides succour and comfort however when you say I can do such and such because I have god on my side that is insidious.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"Wouldn't being active on this website be frowned upon, within a christian belief system?

Errr...why ???

Do you not follow the Bible? It has a lot to say about infidelity, which you are actively enabling when you meet couples for sex.

I try to follow Christian principles. Do I fail sometimes, yes of course I do. All Christians realize they commit sins...."

Actually do you ?

I'd suggest Christian principles are principles that only Christians follow

For example being kind is a human principle

A Christian principle is not believing in any God beyond the father of a christ

Rejecting violence and killing other humans is a human principle

Suggesting lying with a person of similar sex is a bad thing is an old t principle which according to the christ character of the bible should not be rejected or changed

In short

Christian principles are those which differentiate from other philosophies not those which pre existed and are rationally human rules despite evidence for a deity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not quite up to date with the complete conversation but here's my pennies worth; absolutely it should be taught, and call me a traditionalist but in a country who's values are founded on religion and what is perceived to be riegteious (apologies for spelling) and good it is an important part of being British in my eyes. Now I'm not saying Christianity is perfect, I'm not saying Islam is wrong and I'm not saying any religion is even worth a thought about but what I am saying is that if you can take a set of generally good values to being a human then do whatever it takes to make them a part of your daily life and for allot of people that means being devoutly religious.

Personally growing up in a Church of England school environment I feel did me well, going to Chappel to sing a few hymns on a Saturday morning was a nause at the time but it gave me an hour each week to switch off and just think, I dont think religion is the issue, its the people who become obsessed with it. And that's probably what ruins most things, obsession. Anyway not sure what my point is but very interesting read this thread and hope you all have a brilliant rest of the week, it's Wednesday after all!

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Does that mean you think you shouldn't be on Fab or not?

Just a means of communication....

You appear to be actively seeking a fuck-buddy. That seems to make this a bit more than just a means of communication.

Anyway, I don't want to make this a personal attack on you. I mean you no ill will. I'm happy to talk about beliefs but I hope this doesn't become a bash-a-Christian thread. I wouldn't take part in that.

Not in any way taken as a personal attack on me. As I said I do have difficulty reconciling my Christian beliefs with my sexual desires. Because I fail it does not make me want to give up being a Christian..."

Genuine question.

You know being on this site is a sin in the eyes of God. You also know that God wants sinners to repent and cease sinningo. As a Christian its your duty to follow God's will.

So knowing all that, why do you not delete your profile?

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Just to be clear, I'm not 'bashing' a Christian. I'm confronting the notion that being a Christian makes you a good judge of morality while actively enjoying and pursuing something that their belief system says is a sin."

Hey, I would NEVER claim to be a good judge of morality... I try not to be judgmental in either sexual matters or other aspects of life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just to be clear, I'm not 'bashing' a Christian. I'm confronting the notion that being a Christian makes you a good judge of morality while actively enjoying and pursuing something that their belief system says is a sin.

Hey, I would NEVER claim to be a good judge of morality... I try not to be judgmental in either sexual matters or other aspects of life. "

Hypocrite

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By *lap.n.tickleCouple
over a year ago

sunny Manchester :)

Yes let's brain wash our kids just like we was. If theres a god he can kiss my ring

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


". Genuine question.

You know being on this site is a sin in the eyes of God. You also know that God wants sinners to repent and cease sinningo. As a Christian its your duty to follow God's will.

So knowing all that, why do you not delete your profile? "

Fair question to ask.... I do not have an answer.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


". Genuine question.

You know being on this site is a sin in the eyes of God. You also know that God wants sinners to repent and cease sinningo. As a Christian its your duty to follow God's will.

So knowing all that, why do you not delete your profile?

Fair question to ask.... I do not have an answer."

Isn't the obvious answer that you don't really believe in Christianity, as least insofar as it relates to sex?

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Hypocrite "

You are of course entitle to express that opinion. You may well be right !!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hypocrite

You are of course entitle to express that opinion. You may well be right !!!!"

I am

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast

Nope. Religion has no place in schools.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


". Isn't the obvious answer that you don't really believe in Christianity, as least insofar as it relates to sex? "

May well be true. As I have said earlier I am conflicted.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Hypocrite You are of course entitle to express that opinion. You may well be right !!!!

I am "

of course you are !!!!

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By *abasaurus RexMan
over a year ago

Gloucestershire


"Nope. Religion has no place in schools. "

I think it does. Schools are often a mixed environment (religiously speaking) and as such are a good place at which to sow the seeds of unilateral tolerance.

I say that as an atheist - I don’t believe any preaching should take place, just a basic education.

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip


"Just to be clear, I'm not 'bashing' a Christian. I'm confronting the notion that being a Christian makes you a good judge of morality while actively enjoying and pursuing something that their belief system says is a sin."

That's great and I'm fine with that. Please don't take that as a criticism of you. Fortunately he's not taking it personally. Given that people have felt hounded off this site I would feel bad if he felt that we felt he personally or Christians in general shouldn't be here.

I'm all for robust discussions. I'd happily defend my views on this subject. If he is happy to do the same then it's all good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


". Isn't the obvious answer that you don't really believe in Christianity, as least insofar as it relates to sex?

May well be true. As I have said earlier I am conflicted. "

So you want it taught yo kids but then expect them to ignore it like yourself then just say they are conflicted so what’s the point!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


". Isn't the obvious answer that you don't really believe in Christianity, as least insofar as it relates to sex?

May well be true. As I have said earlier I am conflicted. "

Well good luck with your journey.

- for the record I think your sexual desires are fine/normal.

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By *atonMan
over a year ago

barnet

I as an agnostic think that religion should be taught in an historical context. Equal time divided between the major Faith's. A measured dispassionate discourse that allows the learner the latitude to decide for themselves . The atheist and the agnostic viewpoint should also be represented.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just to be clear, I'm not 'bashing' a Christian. I'm confronting the notion that being a Christian makes you a good judge of morality while actively enjoying and pursuing something that their belief system says is a sin.

That's great and I'm fine with that. Please don't take that as a criticism of you. Fortunately he's not taking it personally. Given that people have felt hounded off this site I would feel bad if he felt that we felt he personally or Christians in general shouldn't be here.

I'm all for robust discussions. I'd happily defend my views on this subject. If he is happy to do the same then it's all good. "

No, I didn't think you were criticising me directly. Mike is being a good sport to be fair, though I still find his beliefs perplexing.

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By *abasaurus RexMan
over a year ago

Gloucestershire


"I as an agnostic think that religion should be taught in an historical context. Equal time divided between the major Faith's. A measured dispassionate discourse that allows the learner the latitude to decide for themselves . The atheist and the agnostic viewpoint should also be represented."

Hoo-ray for balance!

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan
over a year ago

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Not as a separate lesson maybe mix it in with history/humanities,

Same goes for all religions

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Yes, I do feel Christianity should be taught because it gives a structure to society. Yes, some people (especially me) will fall short of those ideals. It does mean we should through them all over board. I admit to being a sinner !!!

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"No, I didn't think you were criticising me directly. Mike is being a good sport to be fair, though I still find his beliefs perplexing."

Hey, shall I tell your something? He does at time too.....!!

It is easy to see things in black/white terms. You soon find out life ain't like that!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes, I do feel Christianity should be taught because it gives a structure to society. Yes, some people (especially me) will fall short of those ideals. It does mean we should through them all over board. I admit to being a sinner !!!"

Crucifixion!!!!

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Yes, I do feel Christianity should be taught because it gives a structure to society. Yes, some people (especially me) will fall short of those ideals. It does NOT mean we should throw them all over board. I admit to being a sinner !!!"

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan
over a year ago

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"Yes, I do feel Christianity should be taught because it gives a structure to society. Yes, some people (especially me) will fall short of those ideals. It does mean we should through them all over board. I admit to being a sinner !!!"

I think we need to move away from saying religions give structure on how to live life the right way, How about just saying were all human

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By *r Cheeky97Man
over a year ago

Devon

No definitely not! If a person would like to become religious they should search it out on there own terms not forced by the school they should had a pref understanding and that's all, religious studies should be replaced with life studies like teaching a child to become self sufficient ect doing washing and cooking.

..just my opinion haha

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"Yes, I do feel Christianity should be taught because it gives a structure to society. Yes, some people (especially me) will fall short of those ideals. It does NOT mean we should throw them all over board. I admit to being a sinner !!!"

Christianity does not give any rational structure to a society

Humanity however does

I structure my life perfectly well without religious contradictions and confusions

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I think Christianity should be taught with other religions as a comparison and no influence put on the pupils to be religious or christian.

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By *essie.Woman
over a year ago

Serendipity

Religious studies is still taught discussing all religions. If it provides an education on differences and common ground,,thus providing more understanding between those of different faiths. That isn’t a bad thing.

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent

Sociology of Religion for a critical evaluation of all faiths. Substantive and Functional.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Continue here, it was interesting to see the replies, when my parents went to school they had a lesson for it. I would say yes it is a very important subject to learn about. I am not sure why they removed I guess the world looked abit different in the 60s then to now. I agree with a poster that it is important cos you would understand people of different culture better."

My 2 went to a Church of England primary and had lessons and they now go to a catholic high school we’re religious education is taught non compulsory right the way up until year 11

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

Plane Mike, I'd like to ask you a question about your Christian beliefs if I may.

Do you believe it is immoral to have sex outside of marriage? And if so, what makes it immoral? Is it because God said it is or is there something about it that is immoral in itself?

This is not an attempt to stoke up judgement. I'm interested in how a Christian decides on whether something is moral or not.

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By *ampshirehotwifeWoman
over a year ago

Hampshire


"Continue here, it was interesting to see the replies, when my parents went to school they had a lesson for it. I would say yes it is a very important subject to learn about. I am not sure why they removed I guess the world looked abit different in the 60s then to now. I agree with a poster that it is important cos you would understand people of different culture better."

Sure why not it's not like religion has ever caused any wars !

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

A small overview of main religions and history, as well as the possible reasons for the evolution of religion

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"A small overview of main religions and history, as well as the possible reasons for the evolution of religion "

Otherwise, it's important to develop our children for the life ahead of them.

Religion is something for private pursuit and possibly better when an adult. Public funds should not be spent on religious indoctrination of children's minds.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What do you mean by 'why they removed'?

Religious Studies is still taught and covers Christianity and other religions.I meant like not teached as much. I guess it is diffferent depending on what country as in sweden it is not as common.

Because its no more true than Islam, Hinduism, Judaism etc are true and thus is now taught as a not terribly important cultural artifact as opposed to something that's true in the same sense historical facts or the laws of thermodynamics are true. "

There are no irrefutable "truths"in science, only knowledge that has been tested to a very high and demanding degree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, I didn't think you were criticising me directly. Mike is being a good sport to be fair, though I still find his beliefs perplexing.

Hey, shall I tell your something? He does at time too.....!!

It is easy to see things in black/white terms. You soon find out life ain't like that!! "

Oh I already know, which is why I don't make absolutist statements about the existence of a god.

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over a year ago

Religion is the key for a successful civilisation.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Religion is the key for a successful civilisation."

No it isn't Shag.... it really isn't

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Money has done just as much if not more to unite nations.....

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"Religion is the key for a successful civilisation."

I think you will find

That education and tolerance is the key to a successful civilization and tolerance and religion don't go in the same sentence.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"Religion is the key for a successful civilisation."

Civilisation and religion really shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

The less religion the more civilisation

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"Religion is the key for a successful civilisation."

Have to disagree there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Religion is the key for a successful civilisation."

No! I disagree

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By *ablo minibar123Woman
over a year ago

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"Religious studies is still taught discussing all religions. If it provides an education on differences and common ground,,thus providing more understanding between those of different faiths. That isn’t a bad thing. "

Couldn't agree more.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"Religion is the key for a successful civilisation.

Have to disagree there

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Just a note

Many have mentioned buddhism is a religion

From my learning that is not the case only a general misconception or even misnomer

Buddhism is a philosophy a way of understanding and learning a perspective or a gateway

Buddhists can be theistic, atheistic or agnostic atheists

Buddhism does not necessitate anything religious beyond a concept of repeated consistency and mantra and that all things are at least connected by consequence

I'm an atheist hardly agnostic and follow or at least understand a great deal of Buddhists philosophy x

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Religion is the key for a successful civilisation."

I think you'll find that the most religious countries in the world are generally the last places on earth you'd want to live...

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Religion is the key for a successful civilisation."

Err... I find the notion utterly bizarre.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I as an agnostic think that religion should be taught in an historical context. Equal time divided between the major Faith's. A measured dispassionate discourse that allows the learner the latitude to decide for themselves . The atheist and the agnostic viewpoint should also be represented."

Comparative religion should be taught. Majority of religions share the same moral code at their outset. They then become warped and twisted to serve the ruling elite x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Religion is the key for a successful civilisation."

No IT ISNT

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

They teach Christianity but not satanism. Is that fair?

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"I as an agnostic think that religion should be taught in an historical context. Equal time divided between the major Faith's. A measured dispassionate discourse that allows the learner the latitude to decide for themselves . The atheist and the agnostic viewpoint should also be represented.

Comparative religion should be taught. Majority of religions share the same moral code at their outset. They then become warped and twisted to serve the ruling elite x"

I have to disagree. Religion isn't warped by its adherents. Just read any religious text and see how long it takes you to find some horrendous instruction given to the followers of that religion

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I as an agnostic think that religion should be taught in an historical context. Equal time divided between the major Faith's. A measured dispassionate discourse that allows the learner the latitude to decide for themselves . The atheist and the agnostic viewpoint should also be represented.

Comparative religion should be taught. Majority of religions share the same moral code at their outset. They then become warped and twisted to serve the ruling elite x

I have to disagree. Religion isn't warped by its adherents. Just read any religious text and see how long it takes you to find some horrendous instruction given to the followers of that religion "

If anything the soft fuzzy do gooder stuff is the warping.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"I as an agnostic think that religion should be taught in an historical context. Equal time divided between the major Faith's. A measured dispassionate discourse that allows the learner the latitude to decide for themselves . The atheist and the agnostic viewpoint should also be represented.

Comparative religion should be taught. Majority of religions share the same moral code at their outset. They then become warped and twisted to serve the ruling elite x

I have to disagree. Religion isn't warped by its adherents. Just read any religious text and see how long it takes you to find some horrendous instruction given to the followers of that religion

If anything the soft fuzzy do gooder stuff is the warping."

Precisely. Nobody wants to acknowledge that the 'extremists' are actually just following their religion to the letter

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

It's taught alongside all the other religions so not a problem. It increases tolerance and understanding of all religions.

People who say religions are a problem in today's world miss the point that it's not the religions themselves but the intolerance and misunderstanding that others have for them. Fighting over difference of religions for example.

Most religions just try to get you to be a bit of a nicer person and help others out, and isn't that what everyone has been banging on about for the last week.

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By *etite_RosyWoman
over a year ago

Now in MALAGA (SPAIN)


"It is unfair to indoctrinate any child into a belief system. By all means teach them about religions of the world, but choosing to adhere to a particular faith or belief is a decision that should be made by a rational adult who has looked at and considered all the available options.

In what way unfair?? I was not "indoctrinated" but am mighty pleased I was brought up as Christian. The world would be a much better place if more folk were brought up with Christian values.

Because Christianity involves a highly contentious metaphysical belief system. I don't suppose you would want a child indoctrinated with Marxism, another highly contentious metaphysical belief system. "

Marxism , communism are wrong! And never be positive;-)

Please do not mix up Christianity with them

Cheers!

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"It's taught alongside all the other religions so not a problem. It increases tolerance and understanding of all religions.

People who say religions are a problem in today's world miss the point that it's not the religions themselves but the intolerance and misunderstanding that others have for them. Fighting over difference of religions for example.

Most religions just try to get you to be a bit of a nicer person and help others out, and isn't that what everyone has been banging on about for the last week."

Ha! Religion has had thousands of years to try to make people nicer

Something is clearly going very wrong

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham


"It's taught alongside all the other religions so not a problem. It increases tolerance and understanding of all religions.

People who say religions are a problem in today's world miss the point that it's not the religions themselves but the intolerance and misunderstanding that others have for them. Fighting over difference of religions for example.

Most religions just try to get you to be a bit of a nicer person and help others out, and isn't that what everyone has been banging on about for the last week.

Ha! Religion has had thousands of years to try to make people nicer

Something is clearly going very wrong"

Yeah, people.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I’m not a fan of organised religion. I prefer a more natural self approach to spiritual matters.

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"It's taught alongside all the other religions so not a problem. It increases tolerance and understanding of all religions.

People who say religions are a problem in today's world miss the point that it's not the religions themselves but the intolerance and misunderstanding that others have for them. Fighting over difference of religions for example.

Most religions just try to get you to be a bit of a nicer person and help others out, and isn't that what everyone has been banging on about for the last week.

Ha! Religion has had thousands of years to try to make people nicer

Something is clearly going very wrong

Yeah, people. "

Or the texts these people are following

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

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over a year ago

Well my opinion is just let them grow until a age they can decide by themselfs..i dont belive in forcing your religion to no one..but this said i respect everyone belives or opinons.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Plane Mike, I'd like to ask you a question about your Christian beliefs if I may.

Do you believe it is immoral to have sex outside of marriage? And if so, what makes it immoral? Is it because God said it is or is there something about it that is immoral in itself?

This is not an attempt to stoke up judgement. I'm interested in how a Christian decides on whether something is moral or not. "

No stoking detected....!! You ask fair questions and have to say I wrestle with them. I am not much into moralizing. I wish I could have a marriage to one person in which we were both totally content. It hasn't happened for me. I know I have sexual desires that have prevented this. Maybe I am weak, quite likely ?!! Have to say my lying and deception bothers me more than the actual sex acts I have taken part in..... I know I am imperfect but it does not stop me aspiring to be a Christian....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Weirdly, I had a discussion with my 7 year old about religion today.

I explained that she wasnt baptised, so that when she is old enough, she can choose for herself, and that I will support her in her choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Weirdly, I had a discussion with my 7 year old about religion today.

I explained that she wasnt baptised, so that when she is old enough, she can choose for herself, and that I will support her in her choice."
exactly my opinon

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Well my opinion is just let them grow until a age they can decide by themselfs..i dont belive in forcing your religion to no one..but this said i respect everyone belives or opinions."

No one should be forced but guidance is necessary. Children receive guidance in many aspects of life as grow from being a baby. You do not leave a child to find out how to feed itself, you help it and wean it. Christianity helps children grow up as decent people but there is so much more to being a Christian than that, not the least of which is being part of a nurturing community.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Well my opinion is just let them grow until a age they can decide by themselfs..i dont belive in forcing your religion to no one..but this said i respect everyone belives or opinions.

No one should be forced but guidance is necessary. Children receive guidance in many aspects of life as grow from being a baby. You do not leave a child to find out how to feed itself, you help it and wean it. Christianity helps children grow up as decent people but there is so much more to being a Christian than that, not the least of which is being part of a nurturing community.

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The same values can be instilled without linking them to Christianity.

I have no objection to anyone practising a faith, my parents do, but our children are good community members who are decent, kind and honest and weren't raised as Christians.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well my opinion is just let them grow until a age they can decide by themselfs..i dont belive in forcing your religion to no one..but this said i respect everyone belives or opinions.

No one should be forced but guidance is necessary. Children receive guidance in many aspects of life as grow from being a baby. You do not leave a child to find out how to feed itself, you help it and wean it. Christianity helps children grow up as decent people but there is so much more to being a Christian than that, not the least of which is being part of a nurturing community.

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sorry but i dont agree with that rasing a child dont need religion just love and parenting.its not religion who makes decent people..people do that.

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Sorry but i don't agree with that, raising a child don't need religion just love and parenting. Its not religion that makes decent people:people do that."

If children are brought up in a Christian family the "love and parenting" comes as part of a much bigger package....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sorry but i don't agree with that, raising a child don't need religion just love and parenting. Its not religion that makes decent people:people do that.

If children are brought up in a Christian family the "love and parenting" comes as part of a much bigger package...."

And it's just that kind of attitude that makes me shy away from organised religion.

You could surely say the same for any religion then?

Does that mean that children can only be perceived as fully formed individuals if they were brought up within a religion? I think not.

Most of the wars in the world have been caused by this blind belief that it somehow makes you superior to belong to a certain religion. Religious people are some of the most intolerant of others that I have ever come across.

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By (user no longer on site)
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"Sorry but i don't agree with that, raising a child don't need religion just love and parenting. Its not religion that makes decent people:people do that.

If children are brought up in a Christian family the "love and parenting" comes as part of a much bigger package....

And it's just that kind of attitude that makes me shy away from organised religion.

You could surely say the same for any religion then?

Does that mean that children can only be perceived as fully formed individuals if they were brought up within a religion? I think not.

Most of the wars in the world have been caused by this blind belief that it somehow makes you superior to belong to a certain religion. Religious people are some of the most intolerant of others that I have ever come across."
i cudnt agree more

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By *lanemikeMan
over a year ago

Bolton

What you perceive as "intolerance" could of course be holding to a belief. Just a thought.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton


"The world would be a much better place if more folk were brought up with Christian values. "

Oh, thank you - I needed that!

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By *oeofsussexMan
over a year ago

Eastbourne

Christianity always has and always will be fundamentally anti-sex.

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By *evil_u_knowMan
over a year ago

city


"Christianity always has and always will be fundamentally anti-sex. "

Really? then why are all the countries that are still catholic have growing populations, but the liberal countries casting religion to the bin have falling populations? Germany, UK, Sen etc

But Ireland, Brazil, Poland all have growing.

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent


"Christianity always has and always will be fundamentally anti-sex.

Really? then why are all the countries that are still catholic have growing populations, but the liberal countries casting religion to the bin have falling populations? Germany, UK, Sen etc

But Ireland, Brazil, Poland all have growing."

Birth control?

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent


"Christianity always has and always will be fundamentally anti-sex. "

And the good lord said 'go forth and multiply'

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By *oeofsussexMan
over a year ago

Eastbourne

Sex is regarded as a sin and priests are not allowed to have any sex, contrary to what some get up to and rightly go to prison for. Sex is the greatest sin of all. Men are all supposed to not have sex like Jesus and women are all supposed to be virgins like Mary. Christianity has always preached against carnal desires and lust.

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By *oeofsussexMan
over a year ago

Eastbourne


"Christianity always has and always will be fundamentally anti-sex.

And the good lord said 'go forth and multiply'"

Well, he’d just preached a maths class! That was their homework - obviously! Everyone knows that!

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By *inky_CarpenterMan
over a year ago

Portsmouth


"It is unfair to indoctrinate any child into a belief system. By all means teach them about religions of the world, but choosing to adhere to a particular faith or belief is a decision that should be made by a rational adult who has looked at and considered all the available options.

In what way unfair?? I was not "indoctrinated" but am mighty pleased I was brought up as Christian. The world would be a much better place if more folk were brought up with Christian values. "

Please expand on what Christian values are..... The bible as I read it is full of lies, hatred, threats and fear mongering, it condones slavery, r@pe, 1ncest, murder, human sacrifice, genocide, its misogynistic, homophobic and speaks of a petty, jealous, vengeful, tyrannical god. I fail to see any societal values that secular humanism couldn't deliver better.

But yes children should learn about it in school, as they should learn about all major religions. They just shouldn't be indoctrinated into any one of them.

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By *wentMan
over a year ago

blackpool


"Continue here, it was interesting to see the replies, when my parents went to school they had a lesson for it. I would say yes it is a very important subject to learn about. I am not sure why they removed I guess the world looked abit different in the 60s then to now. I agree with a poster that it is important cos you would understand people of different culture better."

Yes we should be educated about all religions and ethnicities, I believe education will help

Understanding for all.

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By *ireupthequattroCouple
over a year ago

Stratford

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By *ireupthequattroCouple
over a year ago

Stratford

Check out “down by the riverside / gospel / boat” On utube Good old Christian song I used to sing at Sunday school. ,,, Sat on our swinging boat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally i think there should be 1 lesson a year about religions and it should always start with the phrase "in this world some adults are very silly and still have an imaginary friend" if you ask me religion is the biggest cause of the worlds problems including global warming brexit and the price of petrol

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By *r Cheeky97Man
over a year ago

Devon


"Sorry but i don't agree with that, raising a child don't need religion just love and parenting. Its not religion that makes decent people:people do that.

If children are brought up in a Christian family the "love and parenting" comes as part of a much bigger package...."

Not true at alllll!

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton


"Sex is regarded as a sin and priests are not allowed to have any sex, contrary to what some get up to and rightly go to prison for. Sex is the greatest sin of all. Men are all supposed to not have sex like Jesus and women are all supposed to be virgins like Mary. Christianity has always preached against carnal desires and lust. "

I'm not a Christian (anti, if anything), but I just thought it was worth clarifying that no major school of Christian thought says men should not have sex and women should remain virgins.

Many do have a low view, even paranoia, of physical pleasure, but they would not go as far as you've stated. In fact, Paul in the New Testament encourages young men who are 'burning with lust' to get married to do something about it. No surprise that he was single!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Weirdly, I had a discussion with my 7 year old about religion today.

I explained that she wasnt baptised, so that when she is old enough, she can choose for herself, and that I will support her in her choice."

And if her choice was to join a Moonie like cult ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No I don't think religion should be pushed on anyone. Maybe discuss all religions in a subject perhaps.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Christianity always has and always will be fundamentally anti-sex.

Really? then why are all the countries that are still catholic have growing populations, but the liberal countries casting religion to the bin have falling populations? Germany, UK, Sen etc

But Ireland, Brazil, Poland all have growing."

Wealth Education Choice.....

You can't really pitch poor South American countries against Germany.

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By *arlo82Couple
over a year ago

the gym and random places

Why should it be part of a curriculum?

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By *r Average69Man
over a year ago

Thanet

I think the only fiction taught in school should be in English Lit, and Drama! Religion should only be taught as a historical subject

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place


"Why should it be part of a curriculum?

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Because it exists and has been extremely influential in many cultures around the world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No!

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By *arlo82Couple
over a year ago

the gym and random places


"Why should it be part of a curriculum?

Because it exists and has been extremely influential in many cultures around the world. "

It should only be discussed and explored but so should every other religion.

It is forced down peoples throats and I can attest to that first hand. My daughters school made it compulsory despite my stating she isn't Christian. Shes forced to participate in all christian religious activities and prayer.

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place


"No! "

Why not?

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By *VineMan
over a year ago

The right place


"Why should it be part of a curriculum?

Because it exists and has been extremely influential in many cultures around the world.

It should only be discussed and explored but so should every other religion.

It is forced down peoples throats and I can attest to that first hand. My daughters school made it compulsory despite my stating she isn't Christian. Shes forced to participate in all christian religious activities and prayer.

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RE always includes a cross section of world religions not just Christianity. A church school may give more emphasis to Christianity but people aren’t forced to attend church schools

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent


"I think the only fiction taught in school should be in English Lit, and Drama! Religion should only be taught as a historical subject"

Sadly it isn't history though.

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By *alking HeadMan
over a year ago

Bolton

People laugh at Scientology because it's clearly a man made invention, with no evidence to support it's claims and it makes suckers out of those naive enough to follow it. It was invented (and it was clearly an invention), only a few decades ago.

Now if that very same set of beliefs were a couple of thousand years old, suddenly it takes on an air of respectability and seriousness.

I believe this was Hubbard's true reason for inventing it, not to fleece the gullible, but to show how a religion can be invented out of thin air. There is always someone willing to believe.

At what point does a cult become a religion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No!

Why not? "

Not as a way of life... It's influence in history and what it's followers believe about it, fine. As with all other religions.

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By *alking HeadMan
over a year ago

Bolton


"Why should it be part of a curriculum?

Because it exists and has been extremely influential in many cultures around the world.

It should only be discussed and explored but so should every other religion.

It is forced down peoples throats and I can attest to that first hand. My daughters school made it compulsory despite my stating she isn't Christian. Shes forced to participate in all christian religious activities and prayer.

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I can never see the point in forcing them to do that. Not only does it seel ones resolve against what they're forcing on you, but you can't make someone believe! Belief has to come from the person, not from someone coercing you into it. It's a poor argument for a belief system when your punished for not going along with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Every religion should be taught in school

Lack of intelligence breeds ignorance, ignorance breeds hatred

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich

I can't wait to see how handing schools over to religious groups pans out. I fear its going to be an absolute horror show

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By *arlo82Couple
over a year ago

the gym and random places


"Why should it be part of a curriculum?

Because it exists and has been extremely influential in many cultures around the world.

It should only be discussed and explored but so should every other religion.

It is forced down peoples throats and I can attest to that first hand. My daughters school made it compulsory despite my stating she isn't Christian. Shes forced to participate in all christian religious activities and prayer.

RE always includes a cross section of world religions not just Christianity. A church school may give more emphasis to Christianity but people aren’t forced to attend church schools "

It isn't a church school though. In Scotland all religions are given focus during their education. In England however I've not found that to be the case.

And before any one jumps on their high horse I've studied religion at university as part of my degree. So I feel confident in what I say when I believe all should be explored. If for nothing more than to cull ignorance

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By *r Average69Man
over a year ago

Thanet


"I think the only fiction taught in school should be in English Lit, and Drama! Religion should only be taught as a historical subject

Sadly it isn't history though. "

The world has been controlled by religion and lies for centuries. It's fear of reprisal or ostracism that keeps people faithful. I have no time for it, or for anyone who uses it to demonize others, or to justify malice.

It's a tool of control over the masses, and people still fall for it, in this age of information accessibility!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is unfair to indoctrinate any child into a belief system. By all means teach them about religions of the world, but choosing to adhere to a particular faith or belief is a decision that should be made by a rational adult who has looked at and considered all the available options. "

Stephen Fry distinguished between Religious Education and worship / indoctrination in schools...

"Religious education should be treated like sex education. Young children should learn about it in school but they shouldn't be force to do it"

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By *adetMan
over a year ago

South of Ipswich


"It is unfair to indoctrinate any child into a belief system. By all means teach them about religions of the world, but choosing to adhere to a particular faith or belief is a decision that should be made by a rational adult who has looked at and considered all the available options.

Stephen Fry distinguished between Religious Education and worship / indoctrination in schools...

"Religious education should be treated like sex education. Young children should learn about it in school but they shouldn't be force to do it" "

I once heard it described in terms of a vaccination. A mild dose of it when young prevents you from catching a nasty strain when you're older

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman
over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire

We didn't have to study any religion at our schools, although primary school did make us pray in the mornings and before meals i think. But unless you are brought up in a religious household then this stuff means nothing to you as a kid, makes little sense and is just a ritual that you don't understand.

I think it's ok to teach about some religions (can't teach them all coz there's 1,000s of them) so that kids can understand what faith means. But don't teach them it's real or definite,it is based on belief that something exists rather than proof.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When I was little I went to a Catholic School, we moved away so I went to the local secular school, religious education was taught as an option and encompassed all religions etc. At 16 we moved again and I went back to a Catholic school. While the education standards were high, the tolerance of others was not.

My ex converted to Catholicism so our first child is Catholic, however, she’s severely autistic so never attended a faith based school, and only touched on religion in lessons. My ex then became an atheist, so we decided to only give our youngest a naming ceremony. She will decide for herself and we will support her. She attends a secular school, but having no religious background, and believing in the concept of Faith but not a particular God, she struggles at times. She wants to believe as it’s taught in school, and her friends do, but she questions it and doesn’t believe in God.

As a teaching aid to help children to question and debate, I think that religion education should be taught, but I don’t think it should be focused on one religion, Faith schools excluded as they are attended by those who believe, and who are we to say they’re wrong.

Religion is the opium of the masses, and we all know that for some the addiction is too strong, others can take or leave it, and some need to go through withdrawal before it destroys them x

How you handle your addiction is personal to you.

Viv x

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Too much public money is wasted on religion, when at most only 1 could be correct, though it's more likely none of the thousands that have been are. A few hours maximum of publicly funded education on religion should be fine. Teach instead important life skills, including building relationships and critical thinking.

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

A basic understanding of all of the major ones should be equally taught & the smaller ones for awareness.

Teaching only one religion or another separates them from interacting & talking to those from different faiths.

Diversity, deep down at the core of any religion the basics are the same, don't be an asshole

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm happy with the RE lessons being taught as they are, a general awareness breeds understanding and prevents prejudices based on fearing the unknown.

IMO, the parents are the people who should teach a child about their own religion/faith, or lack of, as that's their own role in the child's upbringing. School is not there to replace parents. Children brought up like this, are likely to have an understanding of religions, and then can make their own path based on both school and parental influences.

I think respecting people's belief or disbelief in religion goes both ways... For example the desire to establish good morality+values like be kind and considerate of others, is across the board so you would think it would be the commonality that most sides recognise, yet it often gets lost in the 'making a point' process.

I also think faith and religion are different things, faith is personal to the individual, comes from within and cannot be indoctrinated even if religion can. Some parents fear animals, that fear can be nurtured in the child, the child may grow up and still decide to get a pet. It might work out, or not. A parent may be very reserved in expression of emotions verbally or physically. Their child will grow up without these expressions and it will be normal to them. They may become very expressive as an adult, or not. These are other examples of childhood influences and their consequences without the controversy of religion

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over a year ago


"What do you mean by 'why they removed'?

Religious Studies is still taught and covers Christianity and other religions.I meant like not teached as much. I guess it is diffferent depending on what country as in sweden it is not as common.

Because its no more true than Islam, Hinduism, Judaism etc are true and thus is now taught as a not terribly important cultural artifact as opposed to something that's true in the same sense historical facts or the laws of thermodynamics are true. "

"thermodynamics"? Boyle's law? HOW DARE YOU!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But Religious Education is mandatory/compulsory in most Government run Schools, but the parents have the choice if they want their children to do it, they don't have to if they don't want, the Education system is provided a choice for those that want thier children to be taught it and rightly so.

Also it's about education in religious studies not about forcing a faith onto a child.

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By *mcouple2Couple
over a year ago

Warrington

Sins do not exist.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton


"I can't wait to see how handing schools over to religious groups pans out. I fear its going to be an absolute horror show"

That already exists, unfortunately.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only things that should be taught in schools is the truth. That would mean describing the appearance of the people in the bible and the origins of Christianity/ Judaism as it really was.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's indoctrinating because a child is being forced into adhering into a belief sysyem.

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By *nlyIfItsWorthItMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

2000 versions of Christianity - why is one the one true path to heaven and not the 1999?

For one thing - we'd be teaching g the kids that what we do on this site is an abomination and they shouldn't listen to us.

*rolls eyes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The only things that should be taught in schools is the truth. That would mean describing the appearance of the people in the bible and the origins of Christianity/ Judaism as it really was. "

???

Surely even most Christians don't believe the stories in the bible as being "as it really was".

I know that Creationists believe this but they are a tiny minority even among the Christian community, surely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Christianity is a lie that was developed to control the masses back in the days of yore, if not before.

However, there are some values that can be taken from Christianity & applied to just being a decent, caring, kind, tolerant human being.

God is a fabrication, but good is well worth a try.

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over a year ago


"It is unfair to indoctrinate any child into a belief system. By all means teach them about religions of the world, but choosing to adhere to a particular faith or belief is a decision that should be made by a rational adult who has looked at and considered all the available options.

In what way unfair?? I was not "indoctrinated" but am mighty pleased I was brought up as Christian. The world would be a much better place if more folk were brought up with Christian values.

Because Christianity involves a highly contentious metaphysical belief system. I don't suppose you would want a child indoctrinated with Marxism, another highly contentious metaphysical belief system.

Marxism , communism are wrong! And never be positive;-)

Please do not mix up Christianity with them

Cheers!"

Marxism and Christianity worked very well together in Central and South America, when the Jesuits developed Liberation Theory. It certainly helped the poor, until the Vatican came down hard on the priests and threatened them with excomunication.

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By *itonmyfacebookMan
over a year ago

Burton on Trent


"It is unfair to indoctrinate any child into a belief system. By all means teach them about religions of the world, but choosing to adhere to a particular faith or belief is a decision that should be made by a rational adult who has looked at and considered all the available options.

In what way unfair?? I was not "indoctrinated" but am mighty pleased I was brought up as Christian. The world would be a much better place if more folk were brought up with Christian values.

Because Christianity involves a highly contentious metaphysical belief system. I don't suppose you would want a child indoctrinated with Marxism, another highly contentious metaphysical belief system.

Marxism , communism are wrong! And never be positive;-)

Please do not mix up Christianity with them

Cheers!

Marxism and Christianity worked very well together in Central and South America, when the Jesuits developed Liberation Theory. It certainly helped the poor, until the Vatican came down hard on the priests and threatened them with excomunication. "

The heart in a heartless world.

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I have done a new thread we can continue on

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