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"Strange one. Have sky jumped the gun. You would think he would be told or know his own diagnosis.. " Maybe you didn't read it right. Gimme the link ..... in here | |||
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"Their son was on BBC news this morning, saying they both had the virus. He also said his Dad said they were being taken to a hostel but he could have misheard that through the communication lines. They obviously need to be in a hospital there and not travel. Hope they get well soon "Thanks Samiss. I'll read it again. I read that HE himself said he's going to a hostel. He said he smells a rat..... scary times for folk. Those in quarantine that is | |||
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"Their son was on BBC news this morning, saying they both had the virus. He also said his Dad said they were being taken to a hostel but he could have misheard that through the communication lines. They obviously need to be in a hospital there and not travel. Hope they get well soon
Thanks Samiss. I'll read it again. I read that HE himself said he's going to a hostel. He said he smells a rat..... scary times for folk. Those in quarantine that is "Yes Granny, Mr Abel said to his son he was going to a hostel, they were facetiming, so I wondered if son misheard and that he was going to a hospital? | |||
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"It's breaking news on the sky news app. I am not sure how to post links on my phonebut your right. The headline is they have it and the subtext says the patients are not sure because they are going to a hostel and not a hospital although not every patient goes to hospital. So I am confused. Wish I had never posted this thread. I feel silly now" Not at all Tom, I'm going to have a look now | |||
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"If he has no phone or wi go it's worrying. Wonder if they are trying to silence him " He did have because he's been sending videos from his phone | |||
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"Granny Mr Abels son was on tv this morning and his parents have told him they've tested positive, the rest is confusing." His son will only know what his dad has told him and it seems that his dad has changed his mind. | |||
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"Granny Mr Abels son was on tv this morning and his parents have told him they've tested positive, the rest is confusing." Well I am confused but that's not unusual | |||
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"Granny Mr Abels son was on tv this morning and his parents have told him they've tested positive, the rest is confusing. His son will only know what his dad has told him and it seems that his dad has changed his mind." Ok very strange... | |||
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"If he has no phone or wi go it's worrying. Wonder if they are trying to silence him He did have because he's been sending videos from his phone "If you read the quote from him above he is saying he will no longer have access to media as he is being moved. weird really ..... hope they recover | |||
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"If he has no phone or wi go it's worrying. Wonder if they are trying to silence him He did have because he's been sending videos from his phone
If you read the quote from him above he is saying he will no longer have access to media as he is being moved.
weird really ..... hope they recover"Bless them, what a worry for them all. | |||
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"Update on Jeremy Vine, they have been taken to a hostel...hmmm...what's happening?" I've seen that movie! | |||
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"Update on Jeremy Vine, they have been taken to a hostel...hmmm...what's happening? I've seen that movie! " Haha  | |||
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"Update on Jeremy Vine, they have been taken to a hostel...hmmm...what's happening?" British embassy in japan : “ for the love of god we need to do something to get this annoying couple off our backs - they are emailing and Skyping and being proper pains in the arse!” Cruise ship operators: “ no problem - we will ‘sort it’ (cunning dr evil laugh) “
British embassy in japan: “Hurrah ! Sorted ! Now we can concentrate on all the Brits on the ship instead of being sidetracked by a pair of selfish ‘aren’t we clever we’re on BBC Breakfast everyday’ fuckers”
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"It is very likely that hospital and hostel has been a mishearing and communication error. The lack of Internet access in either is highly likely and probable depending on location, charger access etc." I was thinking that | |||
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"Grumpet it is on Sky news. Rachael I respect your view. I don't mean to criticise the government but it would be nice just to be in your own bed or a hospital. The Americans seem to look after their own and evacuate but not us .."
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"Mr Abel, the elderly chap, who has been commentating from the cruise ship has been diagnosed with Corona Virus along with his dear wife. I wish him a speedy revovery. I just wish the governments would get them off these ships and into more comfort. It must be aweful on there." Weren't you warning us a few days ago that the virus was worse than we knew, the government were covering up how bad it was, we would all die if we didn't do more to prevent the spread? | |||
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"Cruise ships are very comfy and they have amazing buffets "Not when you're shut in your cabin though | |||
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"Mr Abel, the elderly chap, who has been commentating from the cruise ship has been diagnosed with Corona Virus along with his dear wife. I wish him a speedy revovery. I just wish the governments would get them off these ships and into more comfort. It must be aweful on there. Weren't you warning us a few days ago that the virus was worse than we knew, the government were covering up how bad it was, we would all die if we didn't do more to prevent the spread? " No. I will think you will find that was MCN | |||
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"Mr Abel, the elderly chap, who has been commentating from the cruise ship has been diagnosed with Corona Virus along with his dear wife. I wish him a speedy revovery. I just wish the governments would get them off these ships and into more comfort. It must be aweful on there. Weren't you warning us a few days ago that the virus was worse than we knew, the government were covering up how bad it was, we would all die if we didn't do more to prevent the spread? No. I will think you will find that was MCN " To quote just one of your comments (ignoring the ones suggesting we panic, that London will turn feral and various other doom laden prophecies) 'I don't think we know how many have died in China.. and no faith in Emergency measures to enforce quarantine on the cities.. it's doomsday stuff' So you have no faith in measures to enforce quarantine yet wish the government would take a sick person off a perfectly comfortable cruise ship so 'he can be more comfortable'? | |||
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"Leaving them in relative luxury with access to necessities that many in the world don't have is hardly terrible. Leave them on the ship and try to contain the virus as much as possible, it isn't bloody rocket science. " Don't mention rockets - he'll be suggesting all sufferers are put on one and shipped to the moon | |||
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"Leaving them in relative luxury with access to necessities that many in the world don't have is hardly terrible. Leave them on the ship and try to contain the virus as much as possible, it isn't bloody rocket science. " Is it an example of this forced quarantine that Ministers have talked about? Are they effectively prisoners? I don't know the answer but if it is then it scares me | |||
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"Leaving them in relative luxury with access to necessities that many in the world don't have is hardly terrible. Leave them on the ship and try to contain the virus as much as possible, it isn't bloody rocket science. Don't mention rockets - he'll be suggesting all sufferers are put on one and shipped to the moon "Haha | |||
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"Leaving them in relative luxury with access to necessities that many in the world don't have is hardly terrible. Leave them on the ship and try to contain the virus as much as possible, it isn't bloody rocket science. Is it an example of this forced quarantine that Ministers have talked about? Are they effectively prisoners? I don't know the answer but if it is then it scares me" Yes it is an example of that - and no they are not prisoners - just an example of the containment measures being put in place to limit the spread of the virus - so a sensible measure | |||
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"I would be interested to se what happens if someone demands to leave.. Anybody is free to leave a hospital at any time as far as I am aware. But if special powers exist in the UK.. could force be used? Could they be arrested ? I don't know that answer but it's scarey thought " Regardless of how I feel about the risk of this virus, there is a quarantine in place. If people are not respecting that quarantine and willing to risk the spread of the virus (regardless of how much of an actual risk it may be) then yes they should be arrested and withheld as they are a potential danger to others. Sure that can lead to so many what ifs and maybes but so can every other potential decision and action. | |||
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"I would be interested to se what happens if someone demands to leave.. Anybody is free to leave a hospital at any time as far as I am aware. But if special powers exist in the UK.. could force be used? Could they be arrested ? I don't know that answer but it's scarey thought " Honestly, you're scared of it spreading but then when measures are implemented to stop it spreading you're scared of the measures being used. What exactly aren't you scared of? | |||
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"I would be interested to se what happens if someone demands to leave.. Anybody is free to leave a hospital at any time as far as I am aware. But if special powers exist in the UK.. could force be used? Could they be arrested ? I don't know that answer but it's scarey thought Regardless of how I feel about the risk of this virus, there is a quarantine in place. If people are not respecting that quarantine and willing to risk the spread of the virus (regardless of how much of an actual risk it may be) then yes they should be arrested and withheld as they are a potential danger to others. Sure that can lead to so many what ifs and maybes but so can every other potential decision and action." I am on your wavelength my old son | |||
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"I would be interested to se what happens if someone demands to leave.. Anybody is free to leave a hospital at any time as far as I am aware. But if special powers exist in the UK.. could force be used? Could they be arrested ? I don't know that answer but it's scarey thought " According to gov.uk - the strengthened powers put into place a week or so ago include: "The strengthened powers, effective immediately, will ensure that NHS staff dealing with possible cases can be confident the necessary powers are in place to keep individuals in isolation where public health professionals believe there is a reasonable risk an individual may have the virus. This is in line with measures taken in other countries." So yes effectively someone could be arrested if they refused isolation - fortunately most rational thinking people would agree to be isolated on medical advice and so as yet those affected have agreed to the measures voluntarily. If someone refused then enforced isolation is the only option really - nothing scary in that - is merely a logical step in ensuring containment | |||
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"I would be interested to se what happens if someone demands to leave.. Anybody is free to leave a hospital at any time as far as I am aware. But if special powers exist in the UK.. could force be used? Could they be arrested ? I don't know that answer but it's scarey thought " Why is it scary if the authorities act to enforce a quarantine which is in place to try to contain the virus? | |||
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"If the whole ship is quarrantened then if I were on it I'd be in the bar.after all the shipping company has to pick up the bill.with so many diagnosed the virus you ain't getting off anytime soon." Unfortunately they are all confined to their cabins, apart from a little exercise period. | |||
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"If the whole ship is quarrantened then if I were on it I'd be in the bar.after all the shipping company has to pick up the bill.with so many diagnosed the virus you ain't getting off anytime soon. Unfortunately they are all confined to their cabins, apart from a little exercise period." But the potential to save lives should be the first priority so if someone has to be abit bored, tough shit. | |||
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"I would be interested to se what happens if someone demands to leave.. Anybody is free to leave a hospital at any time as far as I am aware. But if special powers exist in the UK.. could force be used? Could they be arrested ? I don't know that answer but it's scarey thought Why is it scary if the authorities act to enforce a quarantine which is in place to try to contain the virus? " Not scarey on the outside but bloody scarey on the inside.. Healthy and penned in with guards stopping your escape. That's what the powers are about | |||
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"I would be interested to se what happens if someone demands to leave.. Anybody is free to leave a hospital at any time as far as I am aware. But if special powers exist in the UK.. could force be used? Could they be arrested ? I don't know that answer but it's scarey thought Why is it scary if the authorities act to enforce a quarantine which is in place to try to contain the virus? Not scarey on the outside but bloody scarey on the inside.. Healthy and penned in with guards stopping your escape. That's what the powers are about " It's common sense, if people will not go into quarantine willingly then I completely agree with the arrest and detainment of them. | |||
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"If the whole ship is quarrantened then if I were on it I'd be in the bar.after all the shipping company has to pick up the bill.with so many diagnosed the virus you ain't getting off anytime soon. Unfortunately they are all confined to their cabins, apart from a little exercise period. But the potential to save lives should be the first priority so if someone has to be abit bored, tough shit. " Quite right! | |||
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"Grumpet it is on Sky news. Rachael I respect your view. I don't mean to criticise the government but it would be nice just to be in your own bed or a hospital. The Americans seem to look after their own and evacuate but not us .." And by evacuating, howany others could possibly be infected in the process to make them comfortable in their own beds or hospital?! It's right that they have been quarantined, harsh for them but fair to the general population. | |||
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"And you can guarantee one thing.. our lords and masters won't be quarantined with the plebs... " you can’t imagine bojo not being allowed off a corona virus riddled ship. | |||
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"And you can guarantee one thing.. our lords and masters won't be quarantined with the plebs... you can’t imagine bojo not being allowed off a corona virus riddled ship. " I like your thinking.. Wake up people's.. | |||
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"And you can guarantee one thing.. our lords and masters won't be quarantined with the plebs... " I don’t blame them if I was part of the elite why would I want to be in with the rest of the working classes | |||
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"Strange that some of those most inconcerned and blase suddenly want enforced quarantine " Yes because we know that's the sensible way to prevent it spreading.  | |||
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"Strange that some of those most inconcerned and blase suddenly want enforced quarantine Yes because we know that's the sensible way to prevent it spreading. "People quarantined by force.. Gunpoint perhaps ? | |||
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"Update on Jeremy Vine, they have been taken to a hostel...hmmm...what's happening? I've seen that movie! " May God forgive me  | |||
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"Strange that some of those most inconcerned and blase suddenly want enforced quarantine Yes because we know that's the sensible way to prevent it spreading.
People quarantined by force..
Gunpoint perhaps ?"OK, you don't agree with forced quarantine if the person is found to test positive for the virus, what are we supposed to do with someone that is perfectly happy to spread it? | |||
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"Strange that some of those most inconcerned and blase suddenly want enforced quarantine Yes because we know that's the sensible way to prevent it spreading.
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Gunpoint perhaps ?"If necessary. | |||
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"Strange that some of those most inconcerned and blase suddenly want enforced quarantine Yes because we know that's the sensible way to prevent it spreading.
People quarantined by force..
Gunpoint perhaps ?
OK, you don't agree with forced quarantine if the person is found to test positive for the virus, what are we supposed to do with someone that is perfectly happy to spread it?
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"Strange that some of those most inconcerned and blase suddenly want enforced quarantine Yes because we know that's the sensible way to prevent it spreading.
People quarantined by force..
Gunpoint perhaps ?
OK, you don't agree with forced quarantine if the person is found to test positive for the virus, what are we supposed to do with someone that is perfectly happy to spread it?
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"Strange that some of those most inconcerned and blase suddenly want enforced quarantine Yes because we know that's the sensible way to prevent it spreading.
People quarantined by force..
Gunpoint perhaps ?
OK, you don't agree with forced quarantine if the person is found to test positive for the virus, what are we supposed to do with someone that is perfectly happy to spread it?
I did not say I do not agree.. I asked how it will be enforced "If it needs to be at gunpoint then so be it. People need to take abit of responsibility for themselves and self quarantine if necessary. | |||
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"And that's the point.. Wake up peoples" wake up to what we know what going on what are we supposed to wake up to | |||
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"And that's the point.. Wake up peoples" What exactly do you want us to wake up to? We understand the risks, we understand how to take precautions and what we need to do if we catch the virus. | |||
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"And that's the point.. Wake up peoples What exactly do you want us to wake up to? We understand the risks, we understand how to take precautions and what we need to do if we catch the virus." If it gets hold then there will be zones they herd citizens into and shoot those who try to escape.. maybe not this virus but the next one.. That's my worry and forecast | |||
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"And that's the point.. Wake up peoples What exactly do you want us to wake up to? We understand the risks, we understand how to take precautions and what we need to do if we catch the virus. If it gets hold then there will be zones they herd citizens into and shoot those who try to escape.. maybe not this virus but the next one.. That's my worry and forecast " that’s one way of keeping the population down | |||
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"And that's the point.. Wake up peoples What exactly do you want us to wake up to? We understand the risks, we understand how to take precautions and what we need to do if we catch the virus. If it gets hold then there will be zones they herd citizens into and shoot those who try to escape.. maybe not this virus but the next one.. That's my worry and forecast " Oh calm yourself down, this isn't the walking dead. I'm going to give you a challenge, you're only allowed to post positive threads for a week, I bet you'll feel loads better! | |||
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"I’m glad my local hospital is taking it seriously they have installed two porta cabins and fenced it of "We are saved | |||
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"I’m glad my local hospital is taking it seriously they have installed two porta cabins and fenced it of
We are saved "While the Chinese have accepted that life can't go on as normal they have closed factories to try and slow the spread of the virus, our government has decided to keep schools open should pupils be suspected to have the virus. Brilliant! They have also said they will only treat the first 100 patients and after that we must "Self Isolate". What does this mean? Will people critically ill be expected to stay at home without medical care? | |||
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We are saved
While the Chinese have accepted that life can't go on as normal they have closed factories to try and slow the spread of the virus, our government has decided to keep schools open should pupils be suspected to have the virus. Brilliant!
They have also said they will only treat the first 100 patients and after that we must "Self Isolate". What does this mean? Will people critically ill be expected to stay at home without medical care?"Factories are now reopening. Chinese government being careful not to encourage mass panic, but instead promoting good hygiene | |||
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"Believe you've been challenged by the lovely Miss Keel and accepted it Tom. Just to clarify your worrymongering - Self isolation is exactly what it means. If you are seriously ill, they will tell you what to do in the meantime. An example - I was under quarantine during H1N1 for 2 weeks. I could only leave my residence to go to doctor appointments and then had a set time where I could go to the pharmacy. Groceries, etc were delivered. I was also sick; but I had strep throat not H1N1 however the risk was too high. There were approximately 6,000 people in my area who were under isolation/quarantine during that time period. Miraculously, there was no zombie outbreak or people being shot. IF there are mandatory quarantines, they will follow emergency response procedures and trust me. THEY ARE thorough. They are humane. And they are well planned. I should know; I helped design or assist in planning them for several countries throughout the world with a little global agency I worked for that deals with things like this. We even did huge mock scenarios. It will not be perfect but it is pretty fucking good. Surprisingly, there too, no one was shot and there was no zombie outbreak. I am glad that you are worried; you should be. This will most likely spread and there may be some panic as a result. Your best response is to worry about your health - you are correct; wash your hands, be mindful of your coughing; take notice of others and avoid potential scenarios where you cannot keep yourself healthy. But I can assure you - no one is more worried about this than doctors, nurses and emergency/disaster personnel who have to think very big picture down to minuscule picture in that order. Now. Onto positive, as positivity reaps many more rewards. " To put this in perspective ... Of the 58 689 current open cases, 12 051 are in critical condition. I'm not sure H1N1 was that dangerous. If 21% of people in "Self Isolation" become critical then are they still expected to look after themselves and medicate themselves? I'd like to know how this works? | |||
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"Believe you've been challenged by the lovely Miss Keel and accepted it Tom. Just to clarify your worrymongering - Self isolation is exactly what it means. If you are seriously ill, they will tell you what to do in the meantime. An example - I was under quarantine during H1N1 for 2 weeks. I could only leave my residence to go to doctor appointments and then had a set time where I could go to the pharmacy. Groceries, etc were delivered. I was also sick; but I had strep throat not H1N1 however the risk was too high. There were approximately 6,000 people in my area who were under isolation/quarantine during that time period. Miraculously, there was no zombie outbreak or people being shot. IF there are mandatory quarantines, they will follow emergency response procedures and trust me. THEY ARE thorough. They are humane. And they are well planned. I should know; I helped design or assist in planning them for several countries throughout the world with a little global agency I worked for that deals with things like this. We even did huge mock scenarios. It will not be perfect but it is pretty fucking good. Surprisingly, there too, no one was shot and there was no zombie outbreak. I am glad that you are worried; you should be. This will most likely spread and there may be some panic as a result. Your best response is to worry about your health - you are correct; wash your hands, be mindful of your coughing; take notice of others and avoid potential scenarios where you cannot keep yourself healthy. But I can assure you - no one is more worried about this than doctors, nurses and emergency/disaster personnel who have to think very big picture down to minuscule picture in that order. Now. Onto positive, as positivity reaps many more rewards. " Thank you | |||
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We are saved
While the Chinese have accepted that life can't go on as normal they have closed factories to try and slow the spread of the virus, our government has decided to keep schools open should pupils be suspected to have the virus. Brilliant!
They have also said they will only treat the first 100 patients and after that we must "Self Isolate". What does this mean? Will people critically ill be expected to stay at home without medical care?
Factories are now reopening.
Chinese government being careful not to encourage mass panic, but instead promoting good hygiene "I don't see much difference between with human interaction on a cruise ship and a factory or a school for that matter. Why do we keep factories open, schools open but quarantine a ship? It really doesn't help to quarantine certain areas of society and then have our kids bring it home with them from school. It seems like we are wanting this virus not to affect the status quo. In my opinion ignoring the virus and not changing anything is going to have a greater impact than taking smaller measures. | |||
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"I’m glad my local hospital is taking it seriously they have installed two porta cabins and fenced it of
We are saved
While the Chinese have accepted that life can't go on as normal they have closed factories to try and slow the spread of the virus, our government has decided to keep schools open should pupils be suspected to have the virus. Brilliant!
They have also said they will only treat the first 100 patients and after that we must "Self Isolate". What does this mean? Will people critically ill be expected to stay at home without medical care?
Factories are now reopening.
Chinese government being careful not to encourage mass panic, but instead promoting good hygiene
I don't see much difference between with human interaction on a cruise ship and a factory or a school for that matter. Why do we keep factories open, schools open but quarantine a ship?
It really doesn't help to quarantine certain areas of society and then have our kids bring it home with them from school.
It seems like we are wanting this virus not to affect the status quo. In my opinion ignoring the virus and not changing anything is going to have a greater impact than taking smaller measures. "I think there was an outbreak on the ship.. you won't get me on a cruise after this.. if it's not novovirus it's carona.. worrying | |||
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" To put this in perspective ... Of the 58 689 current open cases, 12 051 are in critical condition. I'm not sure H1N1 was that dangerous. If 21% of people in "Self Isolation" become critical then are they still expected to look after themselves and medicate themselves? I'd like to know how this works?" Self isolation is exactly what it means. If you are seriously ill, they - the NHS - will tell you what to do in the meantime if it comes to that. I am not contributing a response to your statistical database, sorry, as it only causes widespread misinfornation and is very often skewed, from undetermined sources, and quite often is to enlighten a certain angle or perspective that is not from direct and reputable sources. | |||
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While the Chinese have accepted that life can't go on as normal they have closed factories to try and slow the spread of the virus, our government has decided to keep schools open should pupils be suspected to have the virus. Brilliant!
They have also said they will only treat the first 100 patients and after that we must "Self Isolate". What does this mean? Will people critically ill be expected to stay at home without medical care?"Wow, way to completely manipulate the truth. They didn't say they will only treat the first 100 cases, they said they will stop testing for it after the first 100 cases and then tell people with symptoms to self quarantine unless they have certain underlying conditions, in which case further treatment will be available under quarantine. Don't spread bullshit to further your own agenda, whatever that may be. | |||
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While the Chinese have accepted that life can't go on as normal they have closed factories to try and slow the spread of the virus, our government has decided to keep schools open should pupils be suspected to have the virus. Brilliant!
They have also said they will only treat the first 100 patients and after that we must "Self Isolate". What does this mean? Will people critically ill be expected to stay at home without medical care?
Factories are now reopening.
Chinese government being careful not to encourage mass panic, but instead promoting good hygiene
I don't see much difference between with human interaction on a cruise ship and a factory or a school for that matter. Why do we keep factories open, schools open but quarantine a ship?
It really doesn't help to quarantine certain areas of society and then have our kids bring it home with them from school.
It seems like we are wanting this virus not to affect the status quo. In my opinion ignoring the virus and not changing anything is going to have a greater impact than taking smaller measures.
I think there was an outbreak on the ship.. you won't get me on a cruise after this.. if it's not novovirus it's carona.. worrying"I think people are underestimating the severity of this virus. Comparing it to viruses that were far less deadly and drawing comparisons. The fact that the CFR is increasing 20% up from 14% tells us that this virus is pretty dangerous if you can't get treated. As the number of infected people is increasing the patient to care ratio is getting worse. This is why I am questioning the "self isolation" policy. If you have the sniffles it's great. If you're man down on a bed, can't get up and struggling to breathe you can't just be left like that. Will they be taking to cases to an isolation ward? What's the plan. Is there a plan? | |||
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While the Chinese have accepted that life can't go on as normal they have closed factories to try and slow the spread of the virus, our government has decided to keep schools open should pupils be suspected to have the virus. Brilliant!
They have also said they will only treat the first 100 patients and after that we must "Self Isolate". What does this mean? Will people critically ill be expected to stay at home without medical care?
Wow, way to completely manipulate the truth. They didn't say they will only treat the first 100 cases, they said they will stop testing for it after the first 100 cases and then tell people with symptoms to self quarantine unless they have certain underlying conditions, in which case further treatment will be available under quarantine.
Don't spread bullshit to further your own agenda, whatever that may be. "Wow you get nasty quick. Don't tell me what I can say and what I can't say. Who do you think you are? I'm asking a perfectly legitimate question and you're getting personal with me. Not for the first time. This is a forum, people ask questions and express opinions. Deal with it. | |||
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"I’m glad my local hospital is taking it seriously they have installed two porta cabins and fenced it of
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While the Chinese have accepted that life can't go on as normal they have closed factories to try and slow the spread of the virus, our government has decided to keep schools open should pupils be suspected to have the virus. Brilliant!
They have also said they will only treat the first 100 patients and after that we must "Self Isolate". What does this mean? Will people critically ill be expected to stay at home without medical care?
Wow, way to completely manipulate the truth. They didn't say they will only treat the first 100 cases, they said they will stop testing for it after the first 100 cases and then tell people with symptoms to self quarantine unless they have certain underlying conditions, in which case further treatment will be available under quarantine.
Don't spread bullshit to further your own agenda, whatever that may be.
Wow you get nasty quick.
Don't tell me what I can say and what I can't say. Who do you think you are? I'm asking a perfectly legitimate question and you're getting personal with me. Not for the first time.
This is a forum, people ask questions and express opinions. Deal with it."I haven't gotten nasty or personal. What you stated is untrue, you are spreading false stories in order to back up your opinion. I've answered your question, they do have a plan as explained above. Your false stories could seriously impact someone's mental health if they already deal with anxiety, you should think about that. | |||
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"Believe you've been challenged by the lovely Miss Keel and accepted it Tom. Just to clarify your worrymongering - Self isolation is exactly what it means. If you are seriously ill, they will tell you what to do in the meantime. An example - I was under quarantine during H1N1 for 2 weeks. I could only leave my residence to go to doctor appointments and then had a set time where I could go to the pharmacy. Groceries, etc were delivered. I was also sick; but I had strep throat not H1N1 however the risk was too high. There were approximately 6,000 people in my area who were under isolation/quarantine during that time period. Miraculously, there was no zombie outbreak or people being shot. IF there are mandatory quarantines, they will follow emergency response procedures and trust me. THEY ARE thorough. They are humane. And they are well planned. I should know; I helped design or assist in planning them for several countries throughout the world with a little global agency I worked for that deals with things like this. We even did huge mock scenarios. It will not be perfect but it is pretty fucking good. Surprisingly, there too, no one was shot and there was no zombie outbreak. I am glad that you are worried; you should be. This will most likely spread and there may be some panic as a result. Your best response is to worry about your health - you are correct; wash your hands, be mindful of your coughing; take notice of others and avoid potential scenarios where you cannot keep yourself healthy. But I can assure you - no one is more worried about this than doctors, nurses and emergency/disaster personnel who have to think very big picture down to minuscule picture in that order. Now. Onto positive, as positivity reaps many more rewards. Thank you" What is the scenario if no cure is found ? How does that go down around the world. | |||
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"Believe you've been challenged by the lovely Miss Keel and accepted it Tom. Just to clarify your worrymongering - Self isolation is exactly what it means. If you are seriously ill, they will tell you what to do in the meantime. An example - I was under quarantine during H1N1 for 2 weeks. I could only leave my residence to go to doctor appointments and then had a set time where I could go to the pharmacy. Groceries, etc were delivered. I was also sick; but I had strep throat not H1N1 however the risk was too high. There were approximately 6,000 people in my area who were under isolation/quarantine during that time period. Miraculously, there was no zombie outbreak or people being shot. IF there are mandatory quarantines, they will follow emergency response procedures and trust me. THEY ARE thorough. They are humane. And they are well planned. I should know; I helped design or assist in planning them for several countries throughout the world with a little global agency I worked for that deals with things like this. We even did huge mock scenarios. It will not be perfect but it is pretty fucking good. Surprisingly, there too, no one was shot and there was no zombie outbreak. I am glad that you are worried; you should be. This will most likely spread and there may be some panic as a result. Your best response is to worry about your health - you are correct; wash your hands, be mindful of your coughing; take notice of others and avoid potential scenarios where you cannot keep yourself healthy. But I can assure you - no one is more worried about this than doctors, nurses and emergency/disaster personnel who have to think very big picture down to minuscule picture in that order. Now. Onto positive, as positivity reaps many more rewards. Thank you What is the scenario if no cure is found ? How does that go down around the world." Many many many viruses such as this have no known cure. I am not going to run down the list, as it is quite alot that is quite hair raising! All they can do is effectively treat the outbreak, isolate and contain areas, and hope that people take the necessary precautions necessary to prevent further contamination and panic. | |||
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"I’m glad my local hospital is taking it seriously they have installed two porta cabins and fenced it of
We are saved
While the Chinese have accepted that life can't go on as normal they have closed factories to try and slow the spread of the virus, our government has decided to keep schools open should pupils be suspected to have the virus. Brilliant!
They have also said they will only treat the first 100 patients and after that we must "Self Isolate". What does this mean? Will people critically ill be expected to stay at home without medical care?
Wow, way to completely manipulate the truth. They didn't say they will only treat the first 100 cases, they said they will stop testing for it after the first 100 cases and then tell people with symptoms to self quarantine unless they have certain underlying conditions, in which case further treatment will be available under quarantine.
Don't spread bullshit to further your own agenda, whatever that may be.
Wow you get nasty quick.
Don't tell me what I can say and what I can't say. Who do you think you are? I'm asking a perfectly legitimate question and you're getting personal with me. Not for the first time.
This is a forum, people ask questions and express opinions. Deal with it.
I haven't gotten nasty or personal. What you stated is untrue, you are spreading false stories in order to back up your opinion. I've answered your question, they do have a plan as explained above.
Your false stories could seriously impact someone's mental health if they already deal with anxiety, you should think about that. "False stories? In your opinion. Are you the sole decider of what is true and untrue? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-51486131 "I have heard from people who have self-isolated themselves after becoming ill after returning from one of the at-risk countries, but then complained they were frustrated about the slow response from the NHS." If people who are placed in self isolation become critically ill does the NHS have the capacity to handle thousands of ambulance calls? A friend of a friend got norovirus the same time that I did. My gf drove me to A&E. If she hadn't I'd be dead. The friend of a friend called an ambulance. I came 3 hours later he was in a coma he never came out of and died. So when the NHS says they have it covered you will forgive me for being cynical. | |||
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"I’m glad my local hospital is taking it seriously they have installed two porta cabins and fenced it of
We are saved
While the Chinese have accepted that life can't go on as normal they have closed factories to try and slow the spread of the virus, our government has decided to keep schools open should pupils be suspected to have the virus. Brilliant!
They have also said they will only treat the first 100 patients and after that we must "Self Isolate". What does this mean? Will people critically ill be expected to stay at home without medical care?
Wow, way to completely manipulate the truth. They didn't say they will only treat the first 100 cases, they said they will stop testing for it after the first 100 cases and then tell people with symptoms to self quarantine unless they have certain underlying conditions, in which case further treatment will be available under quarantine.
Don't spread bullshit to further your own agenda, whatever that may be.
Wow you get nasty quick.
Don't tell me what I can say and what I can't say. Who do you think you are? I'm asking a perfectly legitimate question and you're getting personal with me. Not for the first time.
This is a forum, people ask questions and express opinions. Deal with it.
I haven't gotten nasty or personal. What you stated is untrue, you are spreading false stories in order to back up your opinion. I've answered your question, they do have a plan as explained above.
Your false stories could seriously impact someone's mental health if they already deal with anxiety, you should think about that.
False stories? In your opinion. Are you the sole decider of what is true and untrue?
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"I have heard from people who have self-isolated themselves after becoming ill after returning from one of the at-risk countries, but then complained they were frustrated about the slow response from the NHS."
If people who are placed in self isolation become critically ill does the NHS have the capacity to handle thousands of ambulance calls?
A friend of a friend got norovirus the same time that I did. My gf drove me to A&E. If she hadn't I'd be dead. The friend of a friend called an ambulance. I came 3 hours later he was in a coma he never came out of and died.
So when the NHS says they have it covered you will forgive me for being cynical. "You said that they won't treat anyone except the first 100 people, that is totally untrue. So, since you don't think the NHS is any good, are you going to pay for private healthcare? | |||
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"I’m glad my local hospital is taking it seriously they have installed two porta cabins and fenced it of
We are saved
While the Chinese have accepted that life can't go on as normal they have closed factories to try and slow the spread of the virus, our government has decided to keep schools open should pupils be suspected to have the virus. Brilliant!
They have also said they will only treat the first 100 patients and after that we must "Self Isolate". What does this mean? Will people critically ill be expected to stay at home without medical care?
Wow, way to completely manipulate the truth. They didn't say they will only treat the first 100 cases, they said they will stop testing for it after the first 100 cases and then tell people with symptoms to self quarantine unless they have certain underlying conditions, in which case further treatment will be available under quarantine.
Don't spread bullshit to further your own agenda, whatever that may be.
Wow you get nasty quick.
Don't tell me what I can say and what I can't say. Who do you think you are? I'm asking a perfectly legitimate question and you're getting personal with me. Not for the first time.
This is a forum, people ask questions and express opinions. Deal with it.
I haven't gotten nasty or personal. What you stated is untrue, you are spreading false stories in order to back up your opinion. I've answered your question, they do have a plan as explained above.
Your false stories could seriously impact someone's mental health if they already deal with anxiety, you should think about that.
False stories? In your opinion. Are you the sole decider of what is true and untrue?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-51486131
"I have heard from people who have self-isolated themselves after becoming ill after returning from one of the at-risk countries, but then complained they were frustrated about the slow response from the NHS."
If people who are placed in self isolation become critically ill does the NHS have the capacity to handle thousands of ambulance calls?
A friend of a friend got norovirus the same time that I did. My gf drove me to A&E. If she hadn't I'd be dead. The friend of a friend called an ambulance. I came 3 hours later he was in a coma he never came out of and died.
So when the NHS says they have it covered you will forgive me for being cynical.
You said that they won't treat anyone except the first 100 people, that is totally untrue.
So, since you don't think the NHS is any good, are you going to pay for private healthcare? "If they stop testing for coronavirus what are they going to treat them for? The article says they will be treated as if they have standard glu and sent home to self isolate. Can you not see the problems with that? Does everyone live on their own? What about people in the household? What if the case turns critical as one in five cases are turning out to be in China. How on earth can you justify not testing someone with flu symptoms and sending them back out into the population? MHS don't see coronavirus as anything more than standard flu. We seem to think we've escaped this because we have no current open cases and we've blocked flights from China. But it's in loads of other countries that we haven't blocked flights from. It will come to the UK. This is a statistical certainly. | |||
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" If they stop testing for coronavirus what are they going to treat them for? The article says they will be treated as if they have standard glu and sent home to self isolate. Can you not see the problems with that? Does everyone live on their own? What about people in the household? What if the case turns critical as one in five cases are turning out to be in China. How on earth can you justify not testing someone with flu symptoms and sending them back out into the population? MHS don't see coronavirus as anything more than standard flu. We seem to think we've escaped this because we have no current open cases and we've blocked flights from China. But it's in loads of other countries that we haven't blocked flights from. It will come to the UK. This is a statistical certainly. " For the majority of cases it will be less severe than the flu, it's people with underlying health conditions and old or young people that are most likely to have complications. Most people won't need medical care, they will be perfectly safe and capable of taking care of themselves at home. This panic and unrest you seem intent on causing doesn't help anyone and people with health anxiety could be seriously affected. | |||
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" If they stop testing for coronavirus what are they going to treat them for? The article says they will be treated as if they have standard glu and sent home to self isolate. Can you not see the problems with that? Does everyone live on their own? What about people in the household? What if the case turns critical as one in five cases are turning out to be in China. How on earth can you justify not testing someone with flu symptoms and sending them back out into the population? MHS don't see coronavirus as anything more than standard flu. We seem to think we've escaped this because we have no current open cases and we've blocked flights from China. But it's in loads of other countries that we haven't blocked flights from. It will come to the UK. This is a statistical certainly. For the majority of cases it will be less severe than the flu, it's people with underlying health conditions and old or young people that are most likely to have complications. Most people won't need medical care, they will be perfectly safe and capable of taking care of themselves at home. This panic and unrest you seem intent on causing doesn't help anyone and people with health anxiety could be seriously affected. " You see this is where we disagree. You're saying it's just the sniffles and I'm over reacting and causing panic. Where's your data? On the other hand I'm posting articles wherw Chinese doctors are showing that this flu is 20 times more lethal than seasonal flu. Where are you getting information that contradicts that? In China one in five cases end in death. Why only in China? Why is the CFR increasing? Because they have too msny people infected to provide intensive care. Now give me one good reason why it should be any different in the UK? Why would an untreated person in China have less of a chance than an untreated person in the UK? Try backing up your claims of other people being wrong rather than just being insulting and saying what they say is bullshit. That's not debating a point that's just being rude and aggressive. You don't know me so casting wild aspersions about my intentions is more wisdom borne of ignorance. All am doing is quoting official data and published news. I'm not saying anything that isn't already on the internet. It's a pandemic. It's serious. Saying it isn't so doesn't make not so. The real danger is people who poo poo this and don't take it seriously. I have never suggested panic. Just a plan for handling this when it comes. Sending people home is not a plan. Just an inexpensive treatment policy. | |||
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"So the English couple reporting from the cruise liner, are still on there according to their son.An English speaking doctor have confirmed to them they have the virus. What are the British embassy doing for these people? The cheap option." The best option for keeping it contained. | |||
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"So the English couple reporting from the cruise liner, are still on there according to their son.An English speaking doctor have confirmed to them they have the virus. What are the British embassy doing for these people? The cheap option. The best option for keeping it contained. " What is the best option? To be quarantined on a cruise ship full of sick people? It's certainly the cheapest... | |||
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"So the English couple reporting from the cruise liner, are still on there according to their son.An English speaking doctor have confirmed to them they have the virus. What are the British embassy doing for these people? The cheap option. The best option for keeping it contained. What is the best option? To be quarantined on a cruise ship full of sick people? It's certainly the cheapest..." Would you prefer the infected people to be on the mainland somewhere posing a risk to others who may come into contact with them? | |||
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" If they stop testing for coronavirus what are they going to treat them for? The article says they will be treated as if they have standard glu and sent home to self isolate. Can you not see the problems with that? Does everyone live on their own? What about people in the household? What if the case turns critical as one in five cases are turning out to be in China. How on earth can you justify not testing someone with flu symptoms and sending them back out into the population? MHS don't see coronavirus as anything more than standard flu. We seem to think we've escaped this because we have no current open cases and we've blocked flights from China. But it's in loads of other countries that we haven't blocked flights from. It will come to the UK. This is a statistical certainly. For the majority of cases it will be less severe than the flu, it's people with underlying health conditions and old or young people that are most likely to have complications. Most people won't need medical care, they will be perfectly safe and capable of taking care of themselves at home. This panic and unrest you seem intent on causing doesn't help anyone and people with health anxiety could be seriously affected. You see this is where we disagree. You're saying it's just the sniffles and I'm over reacting and causing panic. Where's your data? On the other hand I'm posting articles wherw Chinese doctors are showing that this flu is 20 times more lethal than seasonal flu. Where are you getting information that contradicts that? In China one in five cases end in death. Why only in China? Why is the CFR increasing? Because they have too msny people infected to provide intensive care. Now give me one good reason why it should be any different in the UK? Why would an untreated person in China have less of a chance than an untreated person in the UK? Try backing up your claims of other people being wrong rather than just being insulting and saying what they say is bullshit. That's not debating a point that's just being rude and aggressive. You don't know me so casting wild aspersions about my intentions is more wisdom borne of ignorance. All am doing is quoting official data and published news. I'm not saying anything that isn't already on the internet. It's a pandemic. It's serious. Saying it isn't so doesn't make not so. The real danger is people who poo poo this and don't take it seriously. I have never suggested panic. Just a plan for handling this when it comes. Sending people home is not a plan. Just an inexpensive treatment policy." OK. Here's your 'proof'. For a start, only 9 people on the UK have been diagnosed with it, far less than China, doesn't that show that our plan to contain it is working better? Nobody has died from it here which would imply either it isn't as deadly as you're implying or our healthcare is better? A direct quote from the WHO website: 'As with other respiratory illnesses, infection with 2019-nCoV can cause mild symptoms including a runny nose, sore throat, cough, and fever. It can be more severe for some persons and can lead to pneumonia or breathing difficulties. More rarely, the disease can be fatal. Older people, and people with pre-existing medical conditions (such as, diabetes and heart disease) appear to be more vulnerable to becoming severely ill with the virus.' In China the healthcare is not free for everyone, some people have to pay for half or all of their treatment, and their healthcare system is generally not as good as ours, hence why the virus is spreading and causing more deaths. The Chinese government also covered up the first cases of corona, they didn't report it until a month after the first person was infected, giving a huge chance for the virus to spread. There is a massive amount of information online that will tell you that the chance of you dying from coronavirus is small. Regarding your comment about a plan, there's a plan in place, you're just choosing to ignore it because you don't like it. I outlined the plan in one of my previous comments. Again, you chose to ignore it. All this information is widely available if you choose to actually look for facts instead of widely exaggerated news reports. | |||
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"So the English couple reporting from the cruise liner, are still on there according to their son.An English speaking doctor have confirmed to them they have the virus. What are the British embassy doing for these people? The cheap option. The best option for keeping it contained. What is the best option? To be quarantined on a cruise ship full of sick people? It's certainly the cheapest... Would you prefer the infected people to be on the mainland somewhere posing a risk to others who may come into contact with them? " Yes I would prefer them to be in the isolation watd of a hospital getting the best medical treatment available. People with highly contagious diseases have been moved before. There are barriers that stop these things from spreading. I don't see why it's not possible now. Again why is the redicilous the only alternative? | |||
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"So the English couple reporting from the cruise liner, are still on there according to their son.An English speaking doctor have confirmed to them they have the virus. What are the British embassy doing for these people? The cheap option. The best option for keeping it contained. What is the best option? To be quarantined on a cruise ship full of sick people? It's certainly the cheapest... Would you prefer the infected people to be on the mainland somewhere posing a risk to others who may come into contact with them? Yes I would prefer them to be in the isolation watd of a hospital getting the best medical treatment available. People with highly contagious diseases have been moved before. There are barriers that stop these things from spreading. I don't see why it's not possible now. Again why is the redicilous the only alternative? " The majority of them don't need medical treatment, this information is available everywhere, it's reasonably mild for people without underlying health conditions. | |||
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"So the English couple reporting from the cruise liner, are still on there according to their son.An English speaking doctor have confirmed to them they have the virus. What are the British embassy doing for these people? The cheap option. The best option for keeping it contained. What is the best option? To be quarantined on a cruise ship full of sick people? It's certainly the cheapest... Would you prefer the infected people to be on the mainland somewhere posing a risk to others who may come into contact with them? Yes I would prefer them to be in the isolation watd of a hospital getting the best medical treatment available. People with highly contagious diseases have been moved before. There are barriers that stop these things from spreading. I don't see why it's not possible now. Again why is the redicilous the only alternative? The majority of them don't need medical treatment, this information is available everywhere, it's reasonably mild for people without underlying health conditions. "There are currently 58,191 infected patients. 12,056 are listed as serious or critical. That's 21%... one in five people. Are you saying 21% of people have underlying conditions? It appears by your standards 2,012 people have suffered a mild case of death | |||
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"So the English couple reporting from the cruise liner, are still on there according to their son.An English speaking doctor have confirmed to them they have the virus. What are the British embassy doing for these people? The cheap option. The best option for keeping it contained. What is the best option? To be quarantined on a cruise ship full of sick people? It's certainly the cheapest... Would you prefer the infected people to be on the mainland somewhere posing a risk to others who may come into contact with them? Yes I would prefer them to be in the isolation watd of a hospital getting the best medical treatment available. People with highly contagious diseases have been moved before. There are barriers that stop these things from spreading. I don't see why it's not possible now. Again why is the redicilous the only alternative? The majority of them don't need medical treatment, this information is available everywhere, it's reasonably mild for people without underlying health conditions.
There are currently 58,191 infected patients. 12,056 are listed as serious or critical. That's 21%... one in five people.
Are you saying 21% of people have underlying conditions?
It appears by your standards 2,012 people have suffered a mild case of death "Please tell me where I said anything about the people that died, especially that they had a mild case of anything. I refuse to converse with you if you continue to attempt to twist what I say. Several times I've given you relevant information and you have ignored it. You have been aggressive, rude and dismissive of everything I post. If you want to sit at home living in a cloud of negativity, that's up to you but I'm confident in my ability to make informed and sensible decisions in regards to mine and my familys health. | |||
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"So the English couple reporting from the cruise liner, are still on there according to their son.An English speaking doctor have confirmed to them they have the virus. What are the British embassy doing for these people? The cheap option. The best option for keeping it contained. What is the best option? To be quarantined on a cruise ship full of sick people? It's certainly the cheapest... Would you prefer the infected people to be on the mainland somewhere posing a risk to others who may come into contact with them? Yes I would prefer them to be in the isolation watd of a hospital getting the best medical treatment available. People with highly contagious diseases have been moved before. There are barriers that stop these things from spreading. I don't see why it's not possible now. Again why is the redicilous the only alternative? The majority of them don't need medical treatment, this information is available everywhere, it's reasonably mild for people without underlying health conditions.
There are currently 58,191 infected patients. 12,056 are listed as serious or critical. That's 21%... one in five people.
Are you saying 21% of people have underlying conditions?
It appears by your standards 2,012 people have suffered a mild case of death
Please tell me where I said anything about the people that died, especially that they had a mild case of anything.
I refuse to converse with you if you continue to attempt to twist what I say. Several times I've given you relevant information and you have ignored it. You have been aggressive, rude and dismissive of everything I post.
If you want to sit at home living in a cloud of negativity, that's up to you but I'm confident in my ability to make informed and sensible decisions in regards to mine and my familys health.
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"https://www.livescience.com/amp/new-china-coronavirus-faq.html Organization (WHO) declared that the new coronavirus outbreak is a public health emergency of international concern. The main reason for the declaration is concern that the virus could spread to countries with weaker health systems, WHO said. But gov UK puts risk at low. Probably because the NHS is such a world class health care system. How's that for the bigeest load of "positive" bulshit you've ever heard?" Again from the WHO website, under the 'how dangerous is it?' section, it states the following As with other respiratory illnesses, infection with 2019-nCoV can cause mild symptoms including a runny nose, sore throat, cough, and fever. It can be more severe for some persons and can lead to pneumonia or breathing difficulties. More rarely, the disease can be fatal. Older people, and people with pre-existing medical conditions (such as, diabetes and heart disease) appear to be more vulnerable to becoming severely ill with the virus. | |||
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"I'm just going to let you waffle on with your scaremongering. Enjoy! " The hallmark of a poor argument is the need to be insulting. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/14/805289669/how-covid-19-kills-the-new-coronavirus-disease-can-take-a-deadly-turn?t=1582148344252 "Doctors say these patients with milder symptoms should check in with their physician to make sure their symptoms don't progress to something more serious, but they don't require major medical intervention. But the new coronavirus attacks the lungs, and in about 20% of patients, infections can get more serious. As the virus enters lung cells, it starts to replicate, destroying the cells, explains Dr. Yoko Furuya, an infectious disease specialist at Columbia University Irving Medical Center." "Many of the more serious cases have been in people who are middle-aged and elderly" - good thing that's not us middle aged... "Of course, you have outliers — people who are young and otherwise previously healthy who are dying," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, recently told NPR's 1A show. - Perhaps the experts of the fab forums should get hold of Dr. Fauci and tell him he's bullshitting and scaremongering.....? Good article and worth a read. | |||
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