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Victims and justice.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Does it matter if one person (acts) the part of a victim yet wins justice for all of their group?

Should the stakes ever be that high (or that low)?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tough question!

I'd like to say yes to a certain extent yet I believe that makes all your plea sporious. But if someone discovers it you will harm the cause more than helping. Therefore, I don't think it is a good idea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Tough question!

I'd like to say yes to a certain extent yet I believe that makes all your plea sporious. But if someone discovers it you will harm the cause more than helping. Therefore, I don't think it is a good idea."

But I totally get where you are coming from though

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By *uriousscouserWoman
over a year ago

Wirral

I'm not 100% sure where you're coming from OP. Are you talking about someone lying or a genuine victim shouldering the responsibility for the entire legal fight?

Our legal system places a huge amount of importance on precedent. A victory for one becomes a victory for all, but a defeat for one is a defeat for all. If you think about the PPI claims that have gone in over the last few years, there's no way every one of those could've been heard in court (we just don't have enough judges and court time!), so this type of blanket ruling becomes really important.

If it's someone lying and they get found out, as well as facing perjury charges themselves it would I think call the legitimacy of the original ruling into question.

It's an interesting one to think about, and off the top of my head I can't think of a case where it's happened.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I'm not 100% sure where you're coming from OP. Are you talking about someone lying or a genuine victim shouldering the responsibility for the entire legal fight?

Our legal system places a huge amount of importance on precedent. A victory for one becomes a victory for all, but a defeat for one is a defeat for all. If you think about the PPI claims that have gone in over the last few years, there's no way every one of those could've been heard in court (we just don't have enough judges and court time!), so this type of blanket ruling becomes really important.

If it's someone lying and they get found out, as well as facing perjury charges themselves it would I think call the legitimacy of the original ruling into question.

It's an interesting one to think about, and off the top of my head I can't think of a case where it's happened."
I am primarily talking about someone lying, I chose to call it acting.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Should the truth ever be sacrificed for a cause.

Using the example of say a member of the Police lying for what they see as the greater good (keeping themselves in a job) at the expense of a suspected criminal?

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By *iamond coupleCouple
over a year ago

leeds

I have personal experience of police lying and it has caused me to distrust all police now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Evidence has to be beyond reasonable doubt, its hard to prove guilt and this is mainly due to people who do lie as a victim!

I cant think if any circumstance where it would be acceptable to lie for a greater good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have personal experience of police lying and it has caused me to distrust all police now. "

Dont judge all police on one experience. My experience of being a victim in a crown court case is nothing but amazing and i cant thank the police enough and the courts for all they did for me.

There are bad people in all walks of life, religions, jobs, etc.. only define a person by the way they treat others and not on anything else.

If someone has a bad experience with someone in the same career as you, is it fair they then treat you as if youre bad too?

If someone has a bad experience with one person on fab is it fair to then accuse us all of being the same?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Evidence has to be beyond reasonable doubt, its hard to prove guilt and this is mainly due to people who do lie as a victim!

I cant think if any circumstance where it would be acceptable to lie for a greater good"
Let me stimulate your mind. How about if you were a German in Nazi Germany and you had the chance to save Jews? Would lying be acceptable then?

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By *hubaysiWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"Does it matter if one person (acts) the part of a victim yet wins justice for all of their group?

Should the stakes ever be that high (or that low)?"

I don’t understand the question.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Does it matter if one person (acts) the part of a victim yet wins justice for all of their group?

Should the stakes ever be that high (or that low)?

I don’t understand the question....."
The initial question is inspired by the thought of someone who inserts themselves into a group that is fighting for a cause. An individual joins a group but their story of persecution is not true. Is it right to use that person's story to represent that group, if it is later revealed that person was lying?

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