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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Should the State prosecute when both parties want to withdraw all charges ?

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

Yes.

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By *ooskiMan
over a year ago

south coast

Yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Should the State prosecute when both parties want to withdraw all charges ? "

Yes, if there's enough evidence. Abusers, both physical and mental, can be deviously manipulative. I would see it as justifiable in order to protect the vulnerable.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I understood that this was introduced to prevent abuse victims from being intimidated into withdrawing charges.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

Yes

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By *ooskiMan
over a year ago

south coast


"Should the State prosecute when both parties want to withdraw all charges ?

Yes, if there's enough evidence. Abusers, both physical and mental, can be deviously manipulative. I would see it as justifiable in order to protect the vulnerable."

Shame this doesnt quite work........i unfortunately have had the horrible experience of watching a certain lady over the years accuse 3 different guys of stalkng and harrashing her (each getting arrested and warned) and everyone rallying round and rushing to her aid...........

Couple of us spotted the lies and started to question....., then we saw who was the aggressive one.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I think the police should still prosecute because domestic abuse is not just physical and abusers can be cruelly manipulative.

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By *elshkinkyMan
over a year ago

south wales

Yep... dependent on history and evidence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see correlation in Domestics violence and people who requires regular beating because they have masochist headspace - they gravitates towards sadist to beat them black blue and purple - in fact some like knife, needle, blood and consensual non consensual ra pe scene - just like euthanasia is not legal - Domestic violence and Consensual violence (BDSM) should be equally measured when it comes to prosecuting people.

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem


"I see correlation in Domestics violence and people who requires regular beating because they have masochist headspace - they gravitates towards sadist to beat them black blue and purple - in fact some like knife, needle, blood and consensual non consensual ra pe scene - just like euthanasia is not legal - Domestic violence and Consensual violence (BDSM) should be equally measured when it comes to prosecuting people. "

Equally measured how, for what reasoning?

Consensual acts differ from domestic violence completely.

Coercing is considered dv too. Consent gained by coercion is abuse and considered sexually exploiting and assault.

Consent non consent is already based on consensual agreement. The person is trusted to stay in a person's boundaries.

So how is consenting to violent acts the same as domestic abuse which is not consensual?

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By *uriousscouserWoman
over a year ago

Wirral

Yes.

I wouldn't press charges against my abusers. The worst of the three ended up behind bars anyway, but for something completely different.

Staff at the hospital called the police but I refused to say what had happened: partly because I was still trying to protect him, but also out of fear. If they were relying on me to press charges they'd still be waiting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I see correlation in Domestics violence and people who requires regular beating because they have masochist headspace - they gravitates towards sadist to beat them black blue and purple - in fact some like knife, needle, blood and consensual non consensual ra pe scene - just like euthanasia is not legal - Domestic violence and Consensual violence (BDSM) should be equally measured when it comes to prosecuting people. "

Utter BS and shows a distinct lack of understanding of BDSM. Sigh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Domestic;

state shouldnt be involved in first place

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem


"I see correlation in Domestics violence and people who requires regular beating because they have masochist headspace - they gravitates towards sadist to beat them black blue and purple - in fact some like knife, needle, blood and consensual non consensual ra pe scene - just like euthanasia is not legal - Domestic violence and Consensual violence (BDSM) should be equally measured when it comes to prosecuting people.

Utter BS and shows a distinct lack of understanding of BDSM. Sigh. "

I believe he's trying to make domestic violence seem more acceptable on par with BDSM. That people who are victims of dv aren't actually victims.

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By *elshkinkyMan
over a year ago

south wales


"Domestic;

state shouldnt be involved in first place"

There speaks someone with little or no knowledge of the subject

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem


"Domestic;

state shouldnt be involved in first place"

Would you say that if it was your daughter or son was the victim of DV and refused to press charges?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes.

People demanded that the police and CPS had more powers to deal with domestic violence and that's what the result was.

And rightly so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Domestic;

state shouldnt be involved in first place"

Wow this thread is bringing them all out....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Domestic;

state shouldnt be involved in first place"

When it becomes criminal absolutely they should.

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

Yes. Many women (mostly) withdraw due to intimidation. It still doesn't mean the abuse didn't occur.

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By *imon_hydeMan
over a year ago

Stockport

Every single time.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

Yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Over the last few days I have seen a collection of threads that make me despair at the lack of humanity we show to our fellow man and woman...

Wtf are some people ingesting to produce such repellant attitudes to others.

Yes the CPS should prosecute ....

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By *amesoflondonMan
over a year ago

London


"I see correlation in Domestics violence and people who requires regular beating because they have masochist headspace - they gravitates towards sadist to beat them black blue and purple - in fact some like knife, needle, blood and consensual non consensual ra pe scene - just like euthanasia is not legal - Domestic violence and Consensual violence (BDSM) should be equally measured when it comes to prosecuting people. "

Reported.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Over the last few days I have seen a collection of threads that make me despair at the lack of humanity we show to our fellow man and woman...

Wtf are some people ingesting to produce such repellant attitudes to others.

Yes the CPS should prosecute ...."

Iv been thinking the same thing.

For the first time ever Im seriously starting to think I don't belong in the forums anymore. The forums have been a difficult read these last few days.

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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas


"Should the State prosecute when both parties want to withdraw all charges ?

Yes, if there's enough evidence. Abusers, both physical and mental, can be deviously manipulative. I would see it as justifiable in order to protect the vulnerable."
. Yes , was trying to decide what to put ,then saw the above post which in my opinion is word perfect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Over the last few days I have seen a collection of threads that make me despair at the lack of humanity we show to our fellow man and woman...

Wtf are some people ingesting to produce such repellant attitudes to others.

Yes the CPS should prosecute ....

Iv been thinking the same thing.

For the first time ever Im seriously starting to think I don't belong in the forums anymore. The forums have been a difficult read these last few days. "

Yeah I feel much the same. I'm even wondering if I want to be on fab anymore.

The last few days have shown an aborrant side of some on the forums...

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By *DW1983Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen, Leeds, Sheffield


"I see correlation in Domestics violence and people who requires regular beating because they have masochist headspace - they gravitates towards sadist to beat them black blue and purple - in fact some like knife, needle, blood and consensual non consensual ra pe scene - just like euthanasia is not legal - Domestic violence and Consensual violence (BDSM) should be equally measured when it comes to prosecuting people. "

Huh?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Over the last few days I have seen a collection of threads that make me despair at the lack of humanity we show to our fellow man and woman...

Wtf are some people ingesting to produce such repellant attitudes to others.

Yes the CPS should prosecute ....

Iv been thinking the same thing.

For the first time ever Im seriously starting to think I don't belong in the forums anymore. The forums have been a difficult read these last few days.

Yeah I feel much the same. I'm even wondering if I want to be on fab anymore.

The last few days have shown an aborrant side of some on the forums..."

It's affecting a lot of people. X

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford


"Should the State prosecute when both parties want to withdraw all charges ?

Yes"

yes and no


"Shame this doesnt quite work........i unfortunately have had the horrible experience of watching a certain lady over the years accuse 3 different guys of stalkng and harrashing her (each getting arrested and warned) and everyone rallying round and rushing to her aid...........

Couple of us spotted the lies and started to question....., then we saw who was the aggressive one....."

Ive known a few ladies that have done this including my ex.

All 8 of her relationships have had the comment used against them.

Im the only one that had the comment against her with violence and damaged property charges as well over the years

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"I see correlation in Domestics violence and people who requires regular beating because they have masochist headspace - they gravitates towards sadist to beat them black blue and purple - in fact some like knife, needle, blood and consensual non consensual ra pe scene - just like euthanasia is not legal - Domestic violence and Consensual violence (BDSM) should be equally measured when it comes to prosecuting people. "

Utter nonsense. I enjoy some rougher aspects of play and I'm not a victim of anything during that time.

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By *ooskiMan
over a year ago

south coast


"Should the State prosecute when both parties want to withdraw all charges ?

Yes

yes and no

Shame this doesnt quite work........i unfortunately have had the horrible experience of watching a certain lady over the years accuse 3 different guys of stalkng and harrashing her (each getting arrested and warned) and everyone rallying round and rushing to her aid...........

Couple of us spotted the lies and started to question....., then we saw who was the aggressive one.....

Ive known a few ladies that have done this including my ex.

All 8 of her relationships have had the comment used against them.

Im the only one that had the comment against her with violence and damaged property charges as well over the years "

The cracks in her stories all showing and those of us who now know the truth have witnessed the length she will goto and immeadiate aggression to anyone who dares mention that 2 + 2 dont equal 6......

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By *musedforlifeMan
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Should the State prosecute when both parties want to withdraw all charges ? "

No, what if the victim has withdrew out of fear?

If the state believes one person is in danger, then if should absolutely step in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Should the State prosecute when both parties want to withdraw all charges ?

No, what if the victim has withdrew out of fear?

If the state believes one person is in danger, then if should absolutely step in "

Sorry, yes, it should

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Domestic;

state shouldnt be involved in first place"

Domestic violence is still violence, you cannot commit assualt and get away with it by calling it domestic lol.

If you phone the police you bet your bottom dollar they will be there.

Your ignorance and attitude is shocking in 2020

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not too sure what there is to debate.

Simple answer is yes. Violence is a physical intention to hurt.

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By *iscoman7771000Man
over a year ago

birmingham

Yes

Class as bullying

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By *iscoman7771000Man
over a year ago

birmingham

Are you Brief

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think there is a lot to be said for taking domestic out of it and just call it assault, harassment ect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think there is a lot to be said for taking domestic out of it and just call it assault, harassment ect.

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Agreed. That was sort of my point.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"I think there is a lot to be said for taking domestic out of it and just call it assault, harassment ect.

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Yes violence is violence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think there is a lot to be said for taking domestic out of it and just call it assault, harassment ect.

Yes violence is violence "

Somehow for some people the domestic part makes it seem less serious.

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

Query here can bdsm be construed as domestic violence.

If the woman was to report it as domestic violence even though it was consentual at the time.

How would it be defined between them both.

This is a question that im asking.

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem


"I think there is a lot to be said for taking domestic out of it and just call it assault, harassment ect.

Yes violence is violence "

Dv isn't just violence though, it's emotional, mental and financial manipulation also. Nothing violent about them. Someone doesn't need to inflict bodily harm to commit dv. Breaking it down to just violence negates what dv entails.

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port


"I think there is a lot to be said for taking domestic out of it and just call it assault, harassment ect.

Yes violence is violence

Dv isn't just violence though, it's emotional, mental and financial manipulation also. Nothing violent about them. Someone doesn't need to inflict bodily harm to commit dv. Breaking it down to just violence negates what dv entails. "

Female genital mutilation is a good example of this

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"I think there is a lot to be said for taking domestic out of it and just call it assault, harassment ect.

Yes violence is violence

Somehow for some people the domestic part makes it seem less serious. "
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Yes I agree..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think there is a lot to be said for taking domestic out of it and just call it assault, harassment ect.

Yes violence is violence

Dv isn't just violence though, it's emotional, mental and financial manipulation also. Nothing violent about them. Someone doesn't need to inflict bodily harm to commit dv. Breaking it down to just violence negates what dv entails. "

Totally agree. No intention for my previous post to misconstrue DV

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem


"Query here can bdsm be construed as domestic violence.

If the woman was to report it as domestic violence even though it was consentual at the time.

How would it be defined between them both.

This is a question that im asking. "

There is what lies the biggest problem of them all. It works both ways, from what was consensual but made out not to be and what was not consensual made out to be consensual. The she said/he said/they said without proof nothing gets done and swept under the rug.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"I think there is a lot to be said for taking domestic out of it and just call it assault, harassment ect.

Yes violence is violence

Dv isn't just violence though, it's emotional, mental and financial manipulation also. Nothing violent about them. Someone doesn't need to inflict bodily harm to commit dv. Breaking it down to just violence negates what dv entails. "

I didnt say that and I do have some knowledge

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem


"I think there is a lot to be said for taking domestic out of it and just call it assault, harassment ect.

Yes violence is violence

Dv isn't just violence though, it's emotional, mental and financial manipulation also. Nothing violent about them. Someone doesn't need to inflict bodily harm to commit dv. Breaking it down to just violence negates what dv entails.

Female genital mutilation is a good example of this "

Such a barbaric practice in the name of faith and tradition and rightly banned in most countries.

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS
over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port


"I think there is a lot to be said for taking domestic out of it and just call it assault, harassment ect.

Yes violence is violence

Dv isn't just violence though, it's emotional, mental and financial manipulation also. Nothing violent about them. Someone doesn't need to inflict bodily harm to commit dv. Breaking it down to just violence negates what dv entails.

Female genital mutilation is a good example of this

Such a barbaric practice in the name of faith and tradition and rightly banned in most countries."

Absolutely. Its carried out in a domestic setting and has only recently been criminalised in the UK. Well relatively speaking anyway. And, shamefully, only a hand full of prosecutions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think there is a lot to be said for taking domestic out of it and just call it assault, harassment ect.

Yes violence is violence

Dv isn't just violence though, it's emotional, mental and financial manipulation also. Nothing violent about them. Someone doesn't need to inflict bodily harm to commit dv. Breaking it down to just violence negates what dv entails. "

Sorry I didn't mean so much in terms of the law more the way it is discribed by the media, individuals.

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem


"I think there is a lot to be said for taking domestic out of it and just call it assault, harassment ect.

Yes violence is violence

Dv isn't just violence though, it's emotional, mental and financial manipulation also. Nothing violent about them. Someone doesn't need to inflict bodily harm to commit dv. Breaking it down to just violence negates what dv entails.

Female genital mutilation is a good example of this

Such a barbaric practice in the name of faith and tradition and rightly banned in most countries.

Absolutely. Its carried out in a domestic setting and has only recently been criminalised in the UK. Well relatively speaking anyway. And, shamefully, only a hand full of prosecutions "

Lack of prosecutions is down to the fact they send the girls out of the country for the "procedure" anyone found to be practicing it in this country will receive prison time. It's sad that people here still allow the practice to happen to their daughters/neices/granddaughters

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford


"Query here can bdsm be construed as domestic violence.

If the woman was to report it as domestic violence even though it was consentual at the time.

How would it be defined between them both.

This is a question that im asking.

There is what lies the biggest problem of them all. It works both ways, from what was consensual but made out not to be and what was not consensual made out to be consensual. The she said/he said/they said without proof nothing gets done and swept under the rug."

Thankyou for answering this.

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By *uriousscouserWoman
over a year ago

Wirral


"Query here can bdsm be construed as domestic violence.

If the woman was to report it as domestic violence even though it was consentual at the time.

How would it be defined between them both.

This is a question that im asking. "

It's a grey area. You can't legally consent to assault.

R v Brown restricts consensual SM to below the level of actual bodily harm. Anything that could be classed as ABH you can't consent to.

R v Wilson said that a wife could consent to her husband branding her bum because it was similar to tattooing.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"I think there is a lot to be said for taking domestic out of it and just call it assault, harassment ect.

Yes violence is violence

Dv isn't just violence though, it's emotional, mental and financial manipulation also. Nothing violent about them. Someone doesn't need to inflict bodily harm to commit dv. Breaking it down to just violence negates what dv entails.

Female genital mutilation is a good example of this "

What about circumcisions on children..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Interesting

I was told to withdraw my charges by the police as there was little chance of anything happening.

I was coerced by him too to withdraw them once too.

If there’s evidence DV has taken place, they have a duty of care to see it through.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks


"I see correlation in Domestics violence and people who requires regular beating because they have masochist headspace - they gravitates towards sadist to beat them black blue and purple - in fact some like knife, needle, blood and consensual non consensual ra pe scene - just like euthanasia is not legal - Domestic violence and Consensual violence (BDSM) should be equally measured when it comes to prosecuting people.

Reported. "

Why because you don’t agree with their opinion?

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"I see correlation in Domestics violence and people who requires regular beating because they have masochist headspace - they gravitates towards sadist to beat them black blue and purple - in fact some like knife, needle, blood and consensual non consensual ra pe scene - just like euthanasia is not legal - Domestic violence and Consensual violence (BDSM) should be equally measured when it comes to prosecuting people.

Reported. "

For what?

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling


"I think there is a lot to be said for taking domestic out of it and just call it assault, harassment ect.

Yes violence is violence

Dv isn't just violence though, it's emotional, mental and financial manipulation also. Nothing violent about them. Someone doesn't need to inflict bodily harm to commit dv. Breaking it down to just violence negates what dv entails.

Sorry I didn't mean so much in terms of the law more the way it is discribed by the media, individuals. "

It is mental violence. Its a real thing. So calling it violence is actually correct. The fact that people only see violence as physical is more of an issue than using violence as a word to describe it as a whole.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely domestic violence can kill damage people emotionally and physically when their is evidence a prosecution should always be sought

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Ok, please don't put your own experiences into the thread as it isn't allowed on the forum

Back to the question please

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes. Murder victims never press charges.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes they should. X

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"Ok, please don't put your own experiences into the thread as it isn't allowed on the forum

Back to the question please"

This please

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By *elshkinkyMan
over a year ago

south wales

Domestic Abuse comes in many forms. The police have difficulty getting enough evidence for the CPS to take it to trial as their threshold is so high. When a victim doesn’t make a complaint it’s near enough impossible... but it’s not just about violence ... it includes controlling coercive behaviour too.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

Yes they should prosecute, the perpetrator is obviously violent and could go on to attack someone outside of their relationship.

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By *angOnBunnyCouple
over a year ago

Ipswich

Yes, otherwise the abuse can continue and may have been used as a means to bully into retracting the statement. CPS must investigate regardless

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"Yes, otherwise the abuse can continue and may have been used as a means to bully into retracting the statement. CPS must investigate regardless"

Quite right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's an offence regardless of a parties desire to prosecute.

I think there are many heated arguments, where the Police are called for, and the caller regrets requesting them though.

Violence is very clear cut, but the term abuse isnt always that easy to define in all cases?

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


" It's an offence regardless of a parties desire to prosecute.

I think there are many heated arguments, where the Police are called for, and the caller regrets requesting them though.

Violence is very clear cut, but the term abuse isnt always that easy to define in all cases? "

This is very true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This weekends news brought up a lot of memories which I didn't really want resurfacing leading to a very rough weekend. As a man who was on the receiving end of an abusive relationship 90% mental and 10% physical with a partner who is no longer with us I would say yes every time.

There were many reasons why I wanted to keep things quiet at the time, what would friends, work etc think, what would the repercussions be etc etc. If my situation had got that far then I would of probably of been delighted for the decision to be taken out of my hands and if nothing else it might have forced my ex to get the help and support she refused to accept that she clearly needed.

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By *oxychicWoman
over a year ago

Nottinghamshire

They cant now the law changed in 2003 if there enough evidence they charge without your consent it's to take pressure of the victim

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Should the State prosecute when both parties want to withdraw all charges ?

Yes, if there's enough evidence. Abusers, both physical and mental, can be deviously manipulative. I would see it as justifiable in order to protect the vulnerable."

This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just watched a programme about domestic violence in Russia could not believe what I was hearing seems it’s now not an offence to slap your wife around

Thank god we have laws in this country

About the post perhaps the way round this is to fine the caller who then withdrew the complaint for wasting police time

Word of caution here is maybe they are too frightened to pursue the matter

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ok, please don't put your own experiences into the thread as it isn't allowed on the forum

Back to the question please"

I do apologise

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Should the State prosecute when both parties want to withdraw all charges ?

Yes

yes and no

Shame this doesnt quite work........i unfortunately have had the horrible experience of watching a certain lady over the years accuse 3 different guys of stalkng and harrashing her (each getting arrested and warned) and everyone rallying round and rushing to her aid...........

Couple of us spotted the lies and started to question....., then we saw who was the aggressive one.....

Ive known a few ladies that have done this including my ex.

All 8 of her relationships have had the comment used against them.

Im the only one that had the comment against her with violence and damaged property charges as well over the years

The cracks in her stories all showing and those of us who now know the truth have witnessed the length she will goto and immeadiate aggression to anyone who dares mention that 2 + 2 dont equal 6......

"

I think you are discussing a different problem.

Should violence be prosecuted even if victim (female or male) drops claim? Yes, absolutely.

Is there always going to be difficulty around whose story to believe? Of course there is. There are numerous ladies who have had to watch their rapist/abuser walk free as there is no 'proof' just as there are plenty of men who are the victims of abuse who no one believes simply because they are men.

As a whole, society is finally waking up to the toxicity of so called r@pe culture and the way women are routinely harassed. Hopefully we'll soon wake up to the fact that it isn't just men who are the bad guys, they are equally able to be victims, perhaps in different ways but victims none the less.

Fortunately this appears to be much better understood by the police, my best mate had a really bad time with his ex and she called the police, alleged he had assaulted her when it was the other way around, they arrested her. Unfortunately as he didn't press charges it was dropped.

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem


"I think there is a lot to be said for taking domestic out of it and just call it assault, harassment ect.

Yes violence is violence

Dv isn't just violence though, it's emotional, mental and financial manipulation also. Nothing violent about them. Someone doesn't need to inflict bodily harm to commit dv. Breaking it down to just violence negates what dv entails.

Female genital mutilation is a good example of this

What about circumcisions on children..?"

If it ain't broke leave it alone is my thoughts on male circumcision. As well Drs choosing gender for intersex children. If it isn't medically necessary then should be left alone for them to decide when old enough. America has huge rate of infant circumcision and it isn't necessary all in the name of hygiene.

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By *essie.Woman
over a year ago

Serendipity


"Should the State prosecute when both parties want to withdraw all charges ? "

If the CPS feels there is the evidence to proceed with the charges then yes. Difficulty is of course, if they live together, will they stick to not seeing one another or get back together. Then will it exacerbate the violence because it’s going to court etc.

Social media makes it much more difficult to flee violence and not be found.

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

No. Evety case should be reviewed on its own merrits

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Domestic;

state shouldnt be involved in first place"

You clearly have no clue on this subject!! People like you make me so angry with stupid comments like that.... very sad

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By *elshkinkyMan
over a year ago

south wales


"Domestic;

state shouldnt be involved in first place

You clearly have no clue on this subject!! People like you make me so angry with stupid comments like that.... very sad"

Yep

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By *cottybhoyMan
over a year ago

falkirk

This is a very delicate area and one which is controversial and sensitive for a lot of people.

Where a criminal offence has been committed (or is alleged) it is a matter to for the state in the public interest to prosecute.

The difficulty is that many survivors again feel the power and control of being dragged through a process without their consent - very often resulting in a sentence (if convicted) that they do not want. This can be financial which hurts them more because a perpetrator may punish the family more or, due to the conviction, lost their job.

In reality, the majority of couples reunite and the stench of a court process can make things so much worse.

Perhaps a family type court focussing in the needs of both would be the best solution where education, rehabilitation and support could be at the forefront would be best.

But going back to the original question, yes!

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By *elshkinkyMan
over a year ago

south wales


"This is a very delicate area and one which is controversial and sensitive for a lot of people.

Where a criminal offence has been committed (or is alleged) it is a matter to for the state in the public interest to prosecute.

The difficulty is that many survivors again feel the power and control of being dragged through a process without their consent - very often resulting in a sentence (if convicted) that they do not want. This can be financial which hurts them more because a perpetrator may punish the family more or, due to the conviction, lost their job.

In reality, the majority of couples reunite and the stench of a court process can make things so much worse.

Perhaps a family type court focussing in the needs of both would be the best solution where education, rehabilitation and support could be at the forefront would be best.

But going back to the original question, yes!"

It’s not public interest that’s considered its the chance of a successful prosecution.

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By *oistknickersCouple
over a year ago

London

Yes obviously.

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By *oft_SensualTV/TS
over a year ago

Yorkshire

With regard to the original question the CPS can and do- and have been doing for some years- proceed against parties where the complainant withdraws their allegation.

This is largely dependent on the nature of the offence, the more serious the matter the less chance there is of it being dropped, the evidence in the case or lack thereof and any admission of guilt on the part of the suspect.

Given that their threshold for prosecution is actually very high and the lack of access most victims have to civil orders, is there any wonder two women a week die as a result of domestic violence, on average?

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

In a world were the RSPCA can remove an animal or pet because of neglect or abuse from owner we still can't protect a victim of domestic abuse, because he or she needs to up hold chargers against perpetrator allowing them free pass to believe what they are doing is right. If the CPS has physical evidence to prove said assault took place then the law needs to do it job and protect the victim weather they agree or not.

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By *elshkinkyMan
over a year ago

south wales


"With regard to the original question the CPS can and do- and have been doing for some years- proceed against parties where the complainant withdraws their allegation.

This is largely dependent on the nature of the offence, the more serious the matter the less chance there is of it being dropped, the evidence in the case or lack thereof and any admission of guilt on the part of the suspect.

Given that their threshold for prosecution is actually very high and the lack of access most victims have to civil orders, is there any wonder two women a week die as a result of domestic violence, on average?"

My thoughts on CPS need a new thread

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By *cottybhoyMan
over a year ago

falkirk


"This is a very delicate area and one which is controversial and sensitive for a lot of people.

Where a criminal offence has been committed (or is alleged) it is a matter to for the state in the public interest to prosecute.

The difficulty is that many survivors again feel the power and control of being dragged through a process without their consent - very often resulting in a sentence (if convicted) that they do not want. This can be financial which hurts them more because a perpetrator may punish the family more or, due to the conviction, lost their job.

In reality, the majority of couples reunite and the stench of a court process can make things so much worse.

Perhaps a family type court focussing in the needs of both would be the best solution where education, rehabilitation and support could be at the forefront would be best.

But going back to the original question, yes!

It’s not public interest that’s considered its the chance of a successful prosecution."

A prosecution can only proceed if there is believed to be a sufficiency of evidence - to prosecute otherwise would be unlawful. If there is a sufficiency then, in Scotland anyway, the Public Interest test is applied.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Most agree to prosecute the aggressor ...

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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago

London


"Should the State prosecute when both parties want to withdraw all charges ?

Yes, if there's enough evidence. Abusers, both physical and mental, can be deviously manipulative. I would see it as justifiable in order to protect the vulnerable."

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Absolutely, because abusers are often manipulative. I’m glad to live in a country where cps is totally independent of anyone including business, government and powerful media , lots of countries in the world don’t have that basic freedom

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem


"Absolutely, because abusers are often manipulative. I’m glad to live in a country where cps is totally independent of anyone including business, government and powerful media , lots of countries in the world don’t have that basic freedom "

A lot of countries women don't have rights, for a lot of women domestic abuse is normal and legal.

Here it wasn't too long ago that it became a spouses right to say no to sex. The law is catching up with basic human rights.

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Domestic;

state shouldnt be involved in first place"

Bloody Hell ...

Abusing a partner, spouse or family member is and should be illegal. Thank goodness the majority no longer share your antiquated views.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Rather than focus on prosecution, the focus should be on investigation.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Rather than focus on prosecution, the focus should be on investigation. "

The two go together surely..

Investigate, find evidence then prosecute ?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Absolutely, because abusers are often manipulative. I’m glad to live in a country where cps is totally independent of anyone including business, government and powerful media , lots of countries in the world don’t have that basic freedom

A lot of countries women don't have rights, for a lot of women domestic abuse is normal and legal.

Here it wasn't too long ago that it became a spouses right to say no to sex. The law is catching up with basic human rights."

And for men hopefully

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By *iss KissWoman
over a year ago

near Coventry

Yes.

If there is evidence.

Its a crime.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

They lowered the threshold as to what constitutes abuse..

Spying emails etc..

Brings more women into the perpetrator category

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By *yx_InannaWoman
over a year ago

Burslem


"Absolutely, because abusers are often manipulative. I’m glad to live in a country where cps is totally independent of anyone including business, government and powerful media , lots of countries in the world don’t have that basic freedom

A lot of countries women don't have rights, for a lot of women domestic abuse is normal and legal.

Here it wasn't too long ago that it became a spouses right to say no to sex. The law is catching up with basic human rights.

And for men hopefully"

Well don't you consider men as human?

Here women's rights are catching up, and men's rights too for certain areas (that men are subject to abuse by female partners, custody of children due to the stereotype that women look after the children) but women's rights have been far behind.

Women are lucky in this country we won't be beheaded or stoned to death for "sex" out of marriage and men go unpunished for the crimes they committed against the women. We are lucky that this country over the decades is working towards equal rights for women. But many other countries women are seen as 2nd and 3rd class citizens. These countries need modernising in the human rights department.

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By *andKBCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth

Yes they should as long as their is enligh evidence that it's actually violence.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

Yes, as long as there is enough evidence to support it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Should the State prosecute when both parties want to withdraw all charges ? "

Yes who is to say intimidation hasn't been used on the victim.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes they should.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe maybe...but where the law is on this , it is quite easy to prosecute when someone gets hurt...the other is to blame. Dead easy to prosecute. But as we all know...life is not quite like that , as the current inquest is showing.

I only wish it was more easy to bring sexual abusers to court...

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"Maybe maybe...but where the law is on this , it is quite easy to prosecute when someone gets hurt...the other is to blame. Dead easy to prosecute. But as we all know...life is not quite like that , as the current inquest is showing.

I only wish it was more easy to bring sexual abusers to court..."
,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Should the State prosecute when both parties want to withdraw all charges ? "

You planning something?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes because victims might not have the courage to follow through. And if you can just change your mind and have the charges dropped against your partner. It provides an incentive to them to threaten you more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I see correlation in Domestics violence and people who requires regular beating because they have masochist headspace - they gravitates towards sadist to beat them black blue and purple - in fact some like knife, needle, blood and consensual non consensual ra pe scene - just like euthanasia is not legal - Domestic violence and Consensual violence (BDSM) should be equally measured when it comes to prosecuting people. "

What an utter load of codswallop!

There is a monumental difference between BDSM and abuse - mainly, but not only - consent and the ability to with draw consent at any time to end the scene.

You are either deliberately trying to cause an argument or you just haven’t got a clue about what you are talking about!

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