FabSwingers.com forum: Carolines Law

By *ady Lick OP Woman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

If something good can come out of this poor woman's death, let this be it.

Her boyfriend has set this up, just Google it.

No negativity on this thread please. She was someone's daughter, sister, friend

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't know who she is but the way you handle this bowl with texture in it gave me a lob on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its really sad but unfortunately people will say things need to change and a few months down the line things we will be forgotten about and our media will move onto the next victim without regrards to someone's mental health poor girl my heart is with her family at this tragic time

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By *manaWoman
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"If something good can come out of this poor woman's death, let this be it.

Her boyfriend has set this up, just Google it.

No negativity on this thread please. She was someone's daughter, sister, friend

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't know who she is but the way you handle this bowl with texture in it gave me a lob on "

Bit disrespecting given the nature of this post

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't know who she is but the way you handle this bowl with texture in it gave me a lob on

Bit disrespecting given the nature of this post"

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't know who she is but the way you handle this bowl with texture in it gave me a lob on

Bit disrespecting given the nature of this post

Agreed"

This

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By *ady Lick OP Woman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"Its really sad but unfortunately people will say things need to change and a few months down the line things we will be forgotten about and our media will move onto the next victim without regrards to someone's mental health poor girl my heart is with her family at this tragic time"

Well read and sign the article for a law to be passed to make the media think twice!!

Don't worry about f&b we all know he likes cake mixture

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By *moothCriminal_xMan
over a year ago

Redditch

Well read and sign the article for a law to be passed to make the media think twice!!

Don't worry about f&b we all know he likes cake mixture

No. Press freedom is vital. We live in a free society.

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban

The good to come out of her death will hopefully be the cancellation of the offensive love island.

Personally I don't read tabloids or social media so I'm not aware of "maltreatment" by the press and Twitter.

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By *wosmilersCouple
over a year ago

Heathrowish

Without getting into the rights and wrongs, or the opinions and prejudices, is the expectation of modern life creating more mental fragility or do broadcasters fail in their duties?

Personally, we don't watch reality tv with it's sets of wannabes who want fame for fame's sake (whixh is not a reference to Caroline who was a presenter).

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By *ady Lick OP Woman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"The good to come out of her death will hopefully be the cancellation of the offensive love island.

Personally I don't read tabloids or social media so I'm not aware of "maltreatment" by the press and Twitter."

Been there, done that. No negative comments required, thank you.

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By *uffnsmovCouple
over a year ago

Leeds/Wakefield

"If something good can come out of this poor woman's death, let this be it.

Her boyfriend has set this up, just Google it.

No negativity on this thread please. She was someone's daughter, sister, friend

Many many people, have been through horrendous waiting times for trial. Up to 2 years on bail after being charged and awaiting trial. Personally 14 months on bail with a NFA at the end of it. Bail conditions prevented me from working, or seeing my young child (10 years later that estrangement is still there).

No account is taken of a defendant's wellbeing.

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban

"The good to come out of her death will hopefully be the cancellation of the offensive love island.

Personally I don't read tabloids or social media so I'm not aware of "maltreatment" by the press and Twitter.

Been there, done that. No negative comments required, thank you."

My comment wasn't negative. It was neutral.

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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago

Hillside desolate

I broadly agree with the idea, but having just read the petition some of the stipulations are a bit vague and open to interpretation. Censorship of the press is a slippery slope, and I'm not totally sure where the line should be drawn on what should be reported and what shouldn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is there a danger in forcing a knee-jerk legislation that gives some people, ie "celebrities", a protection from the media that others may not get? I haven't seen the general terms of the proposal, but it's possible that "celebrities" who are truly horrible people could continue their nefarious activities using this legislation to hide from scrutiny.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

"I broadly agree with the idea, but having just read the petition some of the stipulations are a bit vague and open to interpretation. Censorship of the press is a slippery slope, and I'm not totally sure where the line should be drawn on what should be reported and what shouldn't. "

Indeed. I agree with certain things, there should be some sort of limit in to poking in to people's lives the way that they do. However to get that be specific enough that it protects personal privacy while also protecting freedom of speech is extremely tricky to implement without it rippling out with a few exceptions and loopholes. Censorship is not the answer.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

The issue you might have is that celebrities tend to rely on the press to keep them relevant, if the press is restricted, this will also have an impact on their careers. They also tend to love the press if they are on their 'side', but then want the press restricted in other things. They can't really have it both ways.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cancel shows like love island. Jeremy Kyle was after 1 unfortunate death. That show is responsible on part for 3.

That would be the best way for her to be remembered

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cancel shows like love island. Jeremy Kyle was after 1 unfortunate death. That show is responsible on part for 3.

That would be the best way for her to be remembered "
totally agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well read and sign the article for a law to be passed to make the media think twice!!

Don't worry about f&b we all know he likes cake mixture

No. Press freedom is vital. We live in a free society. "

With freedom comes responsibility

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The good to come out of her death will hopefully be the cancellation of the offensive love island.

Personally I don't read tabloids or social media so I'm not aware of "maltreatment" by the press and Twitter."

A valid point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well read and sign the article for a law to be passed to make the media think twice!!

Don't worry about f&b we all know he likes cake mixture

No. Press freedom is vital. We live in a free society.

With freedom comes responsibility "
yeah I think we should have had certain press make sure they acted responsible after princess Diana and phone hacking scandal

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

No. Press freedom is vital. We live in a free society.

With freedom comes responsibility "

Quite. No one seems to be interested in the other side of that coin. "freedom of the press" is a dangerous and overused slogan.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well read and sign the article for a law to be passed to make the media think twice!!

Don't worry about f&b we all know he likes cake mixture

No. Press freedom is vital. We live in a free society.

With freedom comes responsibility yeah I think we should have had certain press make sure they acted responsible after princess Diana and phone hacking scandal"

Nothing has changed, look at the way some of the press are now treating Prince Harry, Piers Morgan is she worst, a disgrace of a man

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By *ungBlackTopMan
over a year ago

salford

If you want to be in the public eye you have to expect the media to make you and break you. If you feel hard done by by the press or your mental health is taking a bashing then step out. You cant pick and choose when you want the media to become involved in your life. Yes it's sad as a life is lost and no one should ever be that low that you take your own life but a law against the media interjecting is ridiculous.

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

I have a few issues about this case and a few issues with the boyfriend which i won’t go into here.

Whilst i agree that what has happened is tragic. Someone has died far too young and who was obviously in emotional distress and turmoil, i don’t think the blame can totally be blamed on the newspapers, online trolls etc. I think, personally, there is more to this case than meets the eye.

Everyone was up in arms about Princess Di’s death and how she was hounded by Paparazzi, and she had Royal Connections. Sod all changed.

And it’s not just the press, it’s everyone. Even us - we’re discussing her now.

I feel so, so sorry for her family. To lose her and to know the bile and venom she was subjected to (whether guilty or not - that’s a seperate issue that the law would have dealt with) and that people are still talking about her.

It shouldn’t have to take a death to make people stop and think about their behaviour.

If i were a member of her family i’d tell everyone to fuck off and mind their own business. The public didn’t look after her wellbeing when she was alive so they can stop using her and her memory now. But that’s just me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well read and sign the article for a law to be passed to make the media think twice!!

Don't worry about f&b we all know he likes cake mixture

No. Press freedom is vital. We live in a free society.

With freedom comes responsibility yeah I think we should have had certain press make sure they acted responsible after princess Diana and phone hacking scandal

Nothing has changed, look at the way some of the press are now treating Prince Harry, Piers Morgan is she worst, a disgrace of a man "

Agree something needs to change its costing peoples lives in the name of profit

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By *candiumWoman
over a year ago

oban

"If you want to be in the public eye you have to expect the media to make you and break you. If you feel hard done by by the press or your mental health is taking a bashing then step out. You cant pick and choose when you want the media to become involved in your life. Yes it's sad as a life is lost and no one should ever be that low that you take your own life but a law against the media interjecting is ridiculous. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why do the media feel the need to ‘break anyone’ ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, if you’re in the public eye, phone tapping by the media is ok?

Taking photos when you’re doing private things with your family is ok?

Even people in the public eye deserve a private life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not having any of this tosh.

Her boyfriend begged a 999 call handler to send help after being battered with a lamp whilst asleep.

Then kicked off in custody.

The court was told that Flack was disruptive in police custody, saying: ‘Her behaviour gets worse, she flips over a table and then has to be restrained on the ground.’

If Vernon Kay had battered Tess Daly with a lamp and acted in this manner in custody you wouldn't be calling for 'Vernon's law'

Ban celebrity crap like love island. She wasn't an angel. We don't need a knee jerk law. We need to see this for what it is.

Sad case of someone making a poor life choice, knowing th truth was about to be outed because she didn't just plead guilty in the first place and ending it before facing the music.

More sympathy for anyone who's house has been flooded this weekend.

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

If you want to do something which ends up with you bringing joy to millions of people, you must *expect* to also be abused an attacked..? Absolutely absurd. Abuse should never be a cross to bear. Absolutely never.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Since when did she bring joy to millions? I only heard of her after she had fight with her bf lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s all just so very sad.

As for Caroline’s law, it won’t make any difference.

All it can be is a distraction for all those people that are hurting.

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By *elleshellsCouple
over a year ago

North Manchester

I just think it’s so very sad that a young woman saw no other way for herself - be kind everyone x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not having any of this tosh.

Her boyfriend begged a 999 call handler to send help after being battered with a lamp whilst asleep.

Then kicked off in custody.

The court was told that Flack was disruptive in police custody, saying: ‘Her behaviour gets worse, she flips over a table and then has to be restrained on the ground.’

If Vernon Kay had battered Tess Daly with a lamp and acted in this manner in custody you wouldn't be calling for 'Vernon's law'

Ban celebrity crap like love island. She wasn't an angel. We don't need a knee jerk law. We need to see this for what it is.

Sad case of someone making a poor life choice, knowing th truth was about to be outed because she didn't just plead guilty in the first place and ending it before facing the music.

More sympathy for anyone who's house has been flooded this weekend."

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

It's a tragic end to a young life. I am just listening to so called celebrities on the news blaming the press and the same so called celebrities court the press when it suits them.. let the family grieve in privacy and let Caroline, the lady and her memory rest in peace.

Soon the papers will drag up more nonsense.. but are they the monsters or the people who buy the rubbish.

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By *isterPepperMan
over a year ago

Central Swindon

It’s a very sad outcome that we’ve arrived at, but her alleged actions were very troubling. It’s likely true that if it wasn’t a beautiful white woman the coverage and reaction would be different.

That’s not to say that trial by media is ever a fair or correct process.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This isnt even news

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just think it’s so very sad that a young woman saw no other way for herself - be kind everyone x"

Just a hypothetical question with no pre-judgement - would you still advocate kindness if she had taken her own life after being found guilty of physically abusing her partner?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just think it’s so very sad that a young woman saw no other way for herself - be kind everyone x

Just a hypothetical question with no pre-judgement - would you still advocate kindness if she had taken her own life after being found guilty of physically abusing her partner?"

Of course they would forgive her. The double standard is alive and well

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"The issue you might have is that celebrities tend to rely on the press to keep them relevant, if the press is restricted, this will also have an impact on their careers. They also tend to love the press if they are on their 'side', but then want the press restricted in other things. They can't really have it both ways. "

Written far more eloquently than my comment.. This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Social bullying is an awful thing. Nobody knows what mind state someone is in and any nasty remark when people don’t know circumstances are bullying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where were her so called friends whilst all this was going on? I see they have all crawled out of the woodwork when it’s to late??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone talks about 'the press' as though it is somehow separate to the rest of society and is something society has to police. The simple way to police it is to stop buying/watching/reading the crap. If people didn't click on articles that gossip about 'celebrities' then they would soon stop being published.

It's always easier to blame a faceless entity like 'the press' but the truth is anyone who has ever given up their time to read an article (good or bad( about this woman has contributed to her death just as much as'the press' because doing so has given 'the press' an audience.

One caveat - I hadn't heard of her till the other day, don't recognise her photo and have absolutely no idea why she committed suicide and whether or not her suicide was prompted by public opinion. The press and their audience may be innocent, she could have done it because her cat died for all we. know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where were her so called friends whilst all this was going on? I see they have all crawled out of the woodwork when it’s to late??"

Sometimes you hold things in and worry about perception, I’ve been in dark places and to the outside world (family including) I’ve said “I’m ok” put my jazz hands on. There’s a discrimination out there that depression comes with looking awful and never smiling. It doesn’t work like that. I try my best every single day to be happy smiley and put my face on, but inwardly I’m collapsing, want to hide feel inadequate, not good enough, always being judged. But to some they see me probably as someone who’s strong looks good always happy.

Nobody knows what is happening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where were her so called friends whilst all this was going on? I see they have all crawled out of the woodwork when it’s to late??"

Her friends were supporting her. Unfortunately though when somebody gets that low, if taking their own life is the option they choose, they will find a way of doing it - whether they are being supported or not.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"Where were her so called friends whilst all this was going on? I see they have all crawled out of the woodwork when it’s to late??

Definitely this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where were her so called friends whilst all this was going on? I see they have all crawled out of the woodwork when it’s to late??

Yep I agree completely. In fact her friend was staying with her for the weekend and had popped out the shops, imagine how crap he\she would feel about people saying “where were her friends”.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where were her so called friends whilst all this was going on? I see they have all crawled out of the woodwork when it’s to late??

Yep I agree completely. In fact her friend was staying with her for the weekend and had popped out the shops, imagine how crap he\she would feel about people saying “where were her friends”. "

I said exactly the same thing earlier. That poor friend will forever feel guilty and will replay the “what ifs” over and over in her head for a very long time to come

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"Where were her so called friends whilst all this was going on? I see they have all crawled out of the woodwork when it’s to late??

Yep I agree completely. In fact her friend was staying with her for the weekend and had popped out the shops, imagine how crap he\she would feel about people saying “where were her friends”. "

I was thinking the same thing. If someone wants to take their life, they will find the opportunity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Where were her so called friends whilst all this was going on? I see they have all crawled out of the woodwork when it’s to late??

Yep I agree completely. In fact her friend was staying with her for the weekend and had popped out the shops, imagine how crap he\she would feel about people saying “where were her friends”.

I was thinking the same thing. If someone wants to take their life, they will find the opportunity."

My close friend from my football community committed suicide just before Xmas, he was outwardly happy and was a complete shock. Nobody knows what’s going on in someone’s mind. Until we as society can stop the stigma of mental health being a weakness and “mad” people will always keep things hidden. Myself included.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just hope that any young girls who looked up to get fit whatever reason don’t think that suicide is the answer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Everyone talks about 'the press' as though it is somehow separate to the rest of society and is something society has to police. The simple way to police it is to stop buying/watching/reading the crap. If people didn't click on articles that gossip about 'celebrities' then they would soon stop being published.

All saying how sad etc but y'all be watched that trash TV and buying those £1 gossip magazines next week.

If anything it should serve as a warning to young men and women not to strive for 'celebrity' life.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I don't know who she is but the way you handle this bowl with texture in it gave me a lob on

Bit disrespecting given the nature of this post

Agreed

This

That

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"Where were her so called friends whilst all this was going on? I see they have all crawled out of the woodwork when it’s to late??

Yep I agree completely. In fact her friend was staying with her for the weekend and had popped out the shops, imagine how crap he\she would feel about people saying “where were her friends”.

I was thinking the same thing. If someone wants to take their life, they will find the opportunity.

So sorry to hear that...close family member committed suicide, also before Christmas, she was loved and supported by all, massive shock to us all..still trying to understand, so yes you never know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One thing I’ve noticed is that if a person has a visible illness they are given so much support, yet when someone says I’m mentally ill, you have some saying “ she’s /he’s off her head, gone mad, not right and lots to that effect.

Why is it that people can’t understand that mental health is just as bad as physical health. If someone was to volunteer for self sectioning as they felt a risk to themselves or others and have help care and in the future be open about having mental health issues unfortunately society as a whole (or some will always say “she/he is a bit mad” however a cancer survivor for instance wouldn’t be given that stigma only sympathy.

I just wish society wasn’t so hard on mental health and be more aware.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

There were just under 7,000 suicides in the UK in 2018.

Who bullied the other 6,999 ?

The over simplification of complex issues don't help.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"One thing I’ve noticed is that if a person has a visible illness they are given so much support, yet when someone says I’m mentally ill, you have some saying “ she’s /he’s off her head, gone mad, not right and lots to that effect.

I just wish society wasn’t so hard on mental health and be more aware. "

Well said

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

The highest suicide rates in any area of the UK in any age group are those of MEN.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There were just under 7,000 suicides in the UK in 2018.

Who bullied the other 6,999 ?

The over simplification of complex issues don't help. "

Close to 5000 of these were men

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"There were just under 7,000 suicides in the UK in 2018.

Who bullied the other 6,999 ?

The over simplification of complex issues don't help.

Close to 5000 of these were men "

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

"If something good can come out of this poor woman's death, let this be it.

Sorry I disagree here its a wrong law to be used no press until found guilty is a better law that goes for everyone, However saying that the press should use facts instead of lies.

Ive read the assault article

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/photo-caroline-flacks-bloodied-bed-21192679

taking a good look at those pics is an eye opener.

The row had been caused by her, She took his phone while he was sleeping. She had seen text messages which made her think he was cheating.

He had phoned the police asking for help

yet if the boot had been on the other foot.

If it was the woman screaming for help with that sort of scene this forum would have been up in arms about it.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"The highest suicide rates in any area of the UK in any age group are those of MEN.

Gosh, didnt know that. The help just isn't out there for people with mental health issues, that's what needs to be addressed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There were just under 7,000 suicides in the UK in 2018.

Who bullied the other 6,999 ?

The over simplification of complex issues don't help.

Close to 5000 of these were men

I do see a close link to men having to be “men “ man up and such like. Men are supposed to be seen as strong and not weak, same with domestic violence. Something needs to change.

I’m currently volunteering for a men’s mental health group called “ mind”. We as a society need to change our outlook on mental health and that comes with education of our children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Id be able to take the question of bullyin a lot more serious if it wasnt posted on a swingers site where the profile pics werent of peoe getting bummed creampied or fingered

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"There were just under 7,000 suicides in the UK in 2018.

Who bullied the other 6,999 ?

The over simplification of complex issues don't help.

Close to 5000 of these were men

I do see a close link to men having to be “men “ man up and such like. Men are supposed to be seen as strong and not weak, same with domestic violence. Something needs to change.

I’m currently volunteering for a men’s mental health group called “ mind”. We as a society need to change our outlook on mental health and that comes with education of our children."

Well done you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If something good can come out of this poor woman's death, let this be it.

Sorry I disagree here its a wrong law to be used no press until found guilty is a better law that goes for everyone, However saying that the press should use facts instead of lies.

Ive read the assault article

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/photo-caroline-flacks-bloodied-bed-21192679

taking a good look at those pics is an eye opener.

The row had been caused by her, She took his phone while he was sleeping. She had seen text messages which made her think he was cheating.

He had phoned the police asking for help

yet if the boot had been on the other foot.

If it was the woman screaming for help with that sort of scene this forum would have been up in arms about it.

I'm afraid I'm tending to agree with you. After reading all the threads on this subject, I still can't work out if the sympathy is due to the death of a pretty young woman who appeared in people's living rooms on their TVs, or from the media hounding of an alleged partner abuser.

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over a year ago

"If something good can come out of this poor woman's death, let this be it.

Sorry I disagree here its a wrong law to be used no press until found guilty is a better law that goes for everyone, However saying that the press should use facts instead of lies.

Ive read the assault article

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/photo-caroline-flacks-bloodied-bed-21192679

taking a good look at those pics is an eye opener.

The row had been caused by her, She took his phone while he was sleeping. She had seen text messages which made her think he was cheating.

He had phoned the police asking for help

yet if the boot had been on the other foot.

If it was the woman screaming for help with that sort of scene this forum would have been up in arms about it.

Nobody knows the background. I myself was in a similar situation 5 years ago. I found text on my ex’s phone we had a very heated argument over it where we both were physically (as in I threw my phone at him ) which resulted in him beating the shit out of me.

Long story short I was at my lowest and realised I couldn’t take his mental abuse no more and went to the police. The cps decided there was not enough evidence, I appealed and they rejected my appeal. I had a breakdown and was in a bad place , my cpso encouraged me to appeal again as I had so much evidence ( maybe not physically) and low and behold the CPS decided to prosecute, I got a written apology from the cps, and he was found guilty.

Apparently not many decisions get overturned by the CPS and my case was used as an example for my case worker. Just shows sometimes the CPS can get it wrong.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Id be able to take the question of bullyin a lot more serious if it wasnt posted on a swingers site where the profile pics werent of peoe getting bummed creampied or fingered "

Oi .... even sex maniacs are allowed to be taken seriously.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"Id be able to take the question of bullyin a lot more serious if it wasnt posted on a swingers site where the profile pics werent of peoe getting bummed creampied or fingered "

That makes zero sense. Discussing bullying doesn't have anything to do with people having sexual pictures.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Id be able to take the question of bullyin a lot more serious if it wasnt posted on a swingers site where the profile pics werent of peoe getting bummed creampied or fingered

That makes zero sense. Discussing bullying doesn't have anything to do with people having sexual pictures. "

I’d just ignore.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Id be able to take the question of bullyin a lot more serious if it wasnt posted on a swingers site where the profile pics werent of peoe getting bummed creampied or fingered

That makes zero sense. Discussing bullying doesn't have anything to do with people having sexual pictures. "

If a woman M.P. can't be taken seriously with her shoulder out ...... can anyone on here be taken seriously with a gapin g fanwah and engorged dick?

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By *elleshellsCouple
over a year ago

North Manchester

"I just think it’s so very sad that a young woman saw no other way for herself - be kind everyone x

Just a hypothetical question with no pre-judgement - would you still advocate kindness if she had taken her own life after being found guilty of physically abusing her partner?"

Yes I would - I think it’s terrible that anyone should feel that this is the only way out

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"If something good can come out of this poor woman's death, let this be it.

Sorry I disagree here its a wrong law to be used no press until found guilty is a better law that goes for everyone, However saying that the press should use facts instead of lies.

Ive read the assault article

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/photo-caroline-flacks-bloodied-bed-21192679

taking a good look at those pics is an eye opener.

The row had been caused by her, She took his phone while he was sleeping. She had seen text messages which made her think he was cheating.

He had phoned the police asking for help

yet if the boot had been on the other foot.

If it was the woman screaming for help with that sort of scene this forum would have been up in arms about it.

I personally see it as a woman in distress, but I don't condone what she allegedly done to her boyfriend.

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

sorry for your scene

However you was also in the wrong

Going through his phone

Then the assault of throwing it at him

He was in the wrong for assaulting you.

however if both of you had been charged with assault would that have been fair

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"If something good can come out of this poor woman's death, let this be it.

Her boyfriend has set this up, just Google it.

No negativity on this thread please. She was someone's daughter, sister, friend

He’s probably feeling a bit raw as he was the one who called the cops and started the whole circus. A law forcing newspapers to be nice sounds a good a good idea

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

"I personally see it as a woman in distress, but I don't condone what she allegedly done to her boyfriend."

The prosecution said Flack told police she would kill herself and flipped over a table after her arrest.

Flack has been ordered to return to court on March 4.

a man would have been accused of being violent when the police arrested him

whats the difference between a man and a lady?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sorry for your scene

However you was also in the wrong

Going through his phone

Then the assault of throwing it at him

He was in the wrong for assaulting you.

however if both of you had been charged with assault would that have been fair

You see it differently to most then

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"If something good can come out of this poor woman's death, let this be it.

Sorry I disagree here its a wrong law to be used no press until found guilty is a better law that goes for everyone, However saying that the press should use facts instead of lies.

Ive read the assault article

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/photo-caroline-flacks-bloodied-bed-21192679

taking a good look at those pics is an eye opener.

The row had been caused by her, She took his phone while he was sleeping. She had seen text messages which made her think he was cheating.

He had phoned the police asking for help

yet if the boot had been on the other foot.

If it was the woman screaming for help with that sort of scene this forum would have been up in arms about it.

Apparently not many decisions get overturned by the CPS and my case was used as an example for my case worker. Just shows sometimes the CPS can get it wrong. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just think it’s so very sad that a young woman saw no other way for herself - be kind everyone x

Just a hypothetical question with no pre-judgement - would you still advocate kindness if she had taken her own life after being found guilty of physically abusing her partner?

Yes I would - I think it’s terrible that anyone should feel that this is the only way out"

Thank you for an honest answer. I don't think I could show any level of kindness to anybody who brutally attacks someone who loved and trusted them.

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

I am 50 / 50.I think it’s great that we have organisations and help lines to help us through difficult times and I am sure those that use them find them helpful.I also think back to say 30 - 50 years ago when there was little help available that generation just seemed to get on with life no matter what it threw at them.I find it hard to imagine that someone so young and financially independent could not get through this bad period in there life.Yet someone who is not as financially independent just gets on with it.We will never know what demons possessed Caroline Flack to take her own life.RIP Caroline Flack

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"I personally see it as a woman in distress, but I don't condone what she allegedly done to her boyfriend.

The prosecution said Flack told police she would kill herself and flipped over a table after her arrest.

Flack has been ordered to return to court on March 4.

a man would have been accused of being violent when the police arrested him

whats the difference between a man and a lady?"

There is no difference, imo, and I haven't said so. If she did say that why didn't they address it?

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

sorry for your scene

However you was also in the wrong

Going through his phone

Then the assault of throwing it at him

He was in the wrong for assaulting you.

however if both of you had been charged with assault would that have been fair

He didn’t assault me he also mentally abused me for months prior. Which resulted to me being hospitalised, lots to a story which why the CPS decided to prosecute after me appealing. Yes I threw my phone at him, (which missed) cps said he used retaliation, so why was I black and blue and he was in the pub the next day?

I didn’t take the CPS decision lightly and I decided to fight, I did and I won. Not many would. !"

Good for you

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"I am 50 / 50.I think it’s great that we have organisations and help lines to help us through difficult times and I am sure those that use them find them helpful.I also think back to say 30 - 50 years ago when there was little help available that generation just seemed to get on with life no matter what it threw at them.I find it hard to imagine that someone so young and financially independent could not get through this bad period in there life.Yet someone who is not as financially independent just gets on with it.We will never know what demons possessed Caroline Flack to take her own life.RIP Caroline Flack"

Money has nothing to do with happiness

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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OK can we keep real detailed experiences about abuse out of the forum please

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By *ady Lick OP Woman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"I just hope that any young girls who looked up to get fit whatever reason don’t think that suicide is the answer. "

This is a worry for me. My daughter and her friends are 14/15 and they're talking about it a lot. Which is a good thing I suppose. I never wanted my children to know that suicide is even an option, especially as I have family history, but there's no getting away from it these days

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"I just hope that any young girls who looked up to get fit whatever reason don’t think that suicide is the answer.

Yes it is a worry with young people too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just hope that any young girls who looked up to get fit whatever reason don’t think that suicide is the answer.

My daughter is also talking about it which is good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So money makes depression easier? I’ll agree that money issues are a trigger for many but depression has no boundaries or stigmas

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She obviously had mental health issues to take her own life,which she managed to hide from the public and media.But how much support did she get from close friends and relatives.We all need to be more attentive to our friends and relatives as mental health issues affect everyone not just the famous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She obviously had mental health issues to take her own life,which she managed to hide from the public and media.But how much support did she get from close friends and relatives.We all need to be more attentive to our friends and relatives as mental health issues affect everyone not just the famous."

Yes I agree. I myself know this personally. However there’s a huge stigma attached to mental health. People are scared, I always put a front on and I’d say 1/10 people who know me know I suffer with mental health. I just don’t like being a burden. I think my actions speak louder than words , as did Caroline’s by her liking mental health posts how she acted etc.

If you ask someone if they are ok, 9/10 you expect them to say “yes” seriously are they going to say “no” not really ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the press respected people's right to a private life and only printed stories that were in the public interest in then we would have a very different media and I can't see how that would be a bad thing.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Money has nothing to do with happiness"

To add to this, I am probably in the generation of getting on with your life whatever is thrown at you, however social media wasn't around for me until the 90's by which time I was old enough to realise there are a lot of keyboard warriors and weird people on the internet.

I have said all along, the internet is a great invention but it can also be a very cold place for many people. I know it is easy to say, but the off / delete button should be used more , especially if it was anything like what I read last night

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By *ntrigued32Couple
over a year ago

Nottingham

Money has nothing to do with happiness

Jo.Xx

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"If the press respected people's right to a private life and only printed stories that were in the public interest in then we would have a very different media and I can't see how that would be a bad thing. "

Sadly as likely to happen as all the ambulance chasing claims companies shutting up shop, the government acting in the interest of its citizens and peace in the middle east.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Cancel shows like love island. Jeremy Kyle was after 1 unfortunate death. That show is responsible on part for 3.

That would be the best way for her to be remembered "

I am not sure the shows are responsible but some of the people they attract are vulnerable to be sure

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

Believe me sometimes that is still not enough, it wasn't in my personal experience, but yes, still keep an eye on your loved ones, that's all you can do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There seems to be a common misunderstanding on this thread that suicide means depression. It doesn't, in fact some studies show that over half the people who kill themselves had no diagnosable mental health condition. Suicidal ideation (thinking suicidal thoughts) is very often in response to short term situations.

Like most things in life, suicide is not as simple as we would like to think, the thought processes behind it are not simple nor are they common to all people.

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS
over a year ago

west here ford shire

Just want to say, I don’t do love island, hate XFactor

But this is about a woman ( stunning lady of 40) committed suicide because we, yes we!!

The public created a life of hell via social media

It’s sad, it’s wrong, it’s disgusting and cannot continue..

If you’ve got nothing good to say, then shut up!

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

"Cancel shows like love island. Jeremy Kyle was after 1 unfortunate death. That show is responsible on part for 3.

That would be the best way for her to be remembered

I am not sure the shows are responsible but some of the people they attract are vulnerable to be sure"

Also to add Caroline Flack was only the presenter, the ant and dec of love island so to speak. She was not one of the few that the show openly exploits.

I'm not defending the show nor do I have any interest in it, but her involvement and link to the shown itself was not the same as the past contestants that were in position to be exploited by it.

Bit of trivia to lighten the mood, her first big TV gig was as Bubbles in the Michael Jackson section of Bo Selecta.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Just want to say, I don’t do love island, hate XFactor

But this is about a woman ( stunning lady of 40) committed suicide because we, yes we!!

The public created a life of hell via social media

It’s sad, it’s wrong, it’s disgusting and cannot continue..

If you’ve got nothing good to say, then shut up!"

Telling people to shut up isn't a good thing to say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just want to say, I don’t do love island, hate XFactor

But this is about a woman ( stunning lady of 40) committed suicide because we, yes we!!

The public created a life of hell via social media

It’s sad, it’s wrong, it’s disgusting and cannot continue..

If you’ve got nothing good to say, then shut up!

Telling people to shut up isn't a good thing to say

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"There seems to be a common misunderstanding on this thread that suicide means depression. It doesn't, in fact some studies show that over half the people who kill themselves had no diagnosable mental health condition. Suicidal ideation (thinking suicidal thoughts) is very often in response to short term situations.

Like most things in life, suicide is not as simple as we would like to think, the thought processes behind it are not simple nor are they common to all people."

I believe that it a basic right to decide when and where to end your own life. I have contemplated it many times and I will tell you all this. It is my right. My body. My life. I will not die in poor health in a care home to be left to rot. I will go on my terms at the time of my choosing..

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

Money has nothing to do with happiness

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. It seems we are both of a generation that can shrug our shoulders and get on with life as best we can.Yes the Internet is a great invention if used properly.Yes money doesn’t buy happiness but it can help cover the unexpected bills or in Caroline case she could have used it for the expensive CPS case that was coming up which I think she would have won anyway as the boyfriend / ex boyfriend was on her side.As I said in my earlier posting we will never know what demons possessed her to take her own life.

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

"Yes money doesn’t buy happiness but it can help cover the unexpected bills or in Caroline case she could have used it for the expensive CPS case that was coming up which I think she would have won anyway as the boyfriend / ex boyfriend was on her side.As I said in my earlier posting we will never know what demons possessed her to take her own life."

that would have been up to cps to decide the case and the judges she was going infront of.

if the 3 judges found she is guilty thats just with the evidence presented then they would find her guilty.

Makes no difference if her ex refused to appear in court the evidence alone would be enough to make her look guilty.

As thats what happens with many cases brought against a man in assault cases.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sure I'll get crapped on from a great height for this, but it's just conjecture. How are people so sure that it was the media/press attention that caused her to take this sad action? Is it not possible that she may have actually been guilty of the attack on her partner and believed that her "celebrity" life would be over if found guilty?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Money has nothing to do with happiness

. It seems we are both of a generation that can shrug our shoulders and get on with life as best we can.Yes the Internet is a great invention if used properly.Yes money doesn’t buy happiness but it can help cover the unexpected bills or in Caroline case she could have used it for the expensive CPS case that was coming up which I think she would have won anyway as the boyfriend / ex boyfriend was on her side.As I said in my earlier posting we will never know what demons possessed her to take her own life."

Mental health has always existed. Your generation of “ shrug your shoulders and get on with it” is why there’s such a stigma with mental health. Years ago people used to say your were a witch or “mad” or “mental “. Hence why we need to raise awareness of mental health and it’s how it’s as bad and sometimes worse as a physical illness

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure I'll get crapped on from a great height for this, but it's just conjecture. How are people so sure that it was the media/press attention that caused her to take this sad action? Is it not possible that she may have actually been guilty of the attack on her partner and believed that her "celebrity" life would be over if found guilty?"

You won’t get abuse. She was suffering for a long time from what I can gather. But sometimes it takes one thing to tip you.

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By *ickDastardlyMan
over a year ago

North East

"Cancel shows like love island. Jeremy Kyle was after 1 unfortunate death. That show is responsible on part for 3.

That would be the best way for her to be remembered "

Can someone tell me how Caroline Flack’s death is in any way related to Love Island?

If someone who worked at a Tesco committed suicide, would you say that all Tesco stores need to be closed?

I can’t find any logic in that point at all.

It was her job, a job which has stated - many times - she loved. She had to stand down from the show because of the legal situation she was in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

that would have been up to cps to decide the case and the judges she was going infront of.

if the 3 judges found she is guilty thats just with the evidence presented then they would find her guilty.

Makes no difference if her ex refused to appear in court the evidence alone would be enough to make her look guilty.

As thats what happens with many cases brought against a man in assault cases.

A judge passes sentence a jury decides if guilty or not. However a judge can tell jury his opinion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Believe me sometimes that is still not enough, it wasn't in my personal experience, but yes, still keep an eye on your loved ones, that's all you can do

. Be aware even if they say “they are ok”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cancel shows like love island. Jeremy Kyle was after 1 unfortunate death. That show is responsible on part for 3.

That would be the best way for her to be remembered

Can someone tell me how Caroline Flack’s death is in any way related to Love Island?

If someone who worked at a Tesco committed suicide, would you say that all Tesco stores need to be closed?

I can’t find any logic in that point at all.

It was her job, a job which has stated - many times - she loved. She had to stand down from the show because of the legal situation she was in."

I agree to a certain extent. Ant McPartlin was found d*unk driving he caused an accident, was he vilified like Caroline , he was a hero. But on the other hand he seeked help and was doing the right things. However Caroline never had that chance.

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

"if the 3 judges found she is guilty thats just with the evidence presented then they would find her guilty.

Makes no difference if her ex refused to appear in court the evidence alone would be enough to make her look guilty.

As thats what happens with many cases brought against a man in assault cases.

A judge passes sentence a jury decides if guilty or not. However a judge can tell jury his opinion "

there is no jury within a magistraites court unless you go to a crown court

assault cases are normally held with magistraites court and poor people cannot request them to be held within a county court

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cancel shows like love island. Jeremy Kyle was after 1 unfortunate death. That show is responsible on part for 3.

That would be the best way for her to be remembered

Can someone tell me how Caroline Flack’s death is in any way related to Love Island?

If someone who worked at a Tesco committed suicide, would you say that all Tesco stores need to be closed?

I can’t find any logic in that point at all.

It was her job, a job which has stated - many times - she loved. She had to stand down from the show because of the legal situation she was in.

Kerry Katona has commented more than once how her treatment by the tabloids compared to McPartlins. Also her career was effectively over where Mcpartlin was welcomed back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think we have to very careful what we demand on a kneejerk reaction.

People demanded that the police and CPS had more powers to deal with domestic violence now people are saying what they did in this case was wrong.

We have no idea what really happened.

We can't control what other people say and do! But we can be more mindful of what we say and do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think we have to very careful what we demand on a kneejerk reaction.

People demanded that the police and CPS had more powers to deal with domestic violence now people are saying what they did in this case was wrong.

We have no idea what really happened.

We can't control what other people say and do! But we can be more mindful of what we say and do. "

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Because people seem to blame the media or internet for anything at the moment.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

that would have been up to cps to decide the case and the judges she was going infront of.

if the 3 judges found she is guilty thats just with the evidence presented then they would find her guilty.

Makes no difference if her ex refused to appear in court the evidence alone would be enough to make her look guilty.

As thats what happens with many cases brought against a man in assault cases.

A judge passes sentence a jury decides if guilty or not. However a judge can tell jury his opinion "

The judge comments on matters of law.. the jury decides on matters of fact

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if the 3 judges found she is guilty thats just with the evidence presented then they would find her guilty.

Makes no difference if her ex refused to appear in court the evidence alone would be enough to make her look guilty.

As thats what happens with many cases brought against a man in assault cases.

A judge passes sentence a jury decides if guilty or not. However a judge can tell jury his opinion

there is no jury within a magistraites court unless you go to a crown court

assault cases are normally held with magistraites court and poor people cannot request them to be held within a county court "

Unless they plead not guilty in magistrate. Then goes to trial

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By *nto My ArmsMan
over a year ago

Herts/London

I've been thinking of the Elvis Costello song, This Year's Girl:

See her picture in a thousand places 'cause she's this year's girl

You think you all own little pieces of this year's girl

Forget your fancy manners

Forget your English grammar

'Cause you don't really give a damn about this year's girl

Still you're hoping that she's well-spoken 'cause she's this year's girl

You want her broken with her mouth wide open 'cause she's this year's girl

Never knowing it's a real attraction

All these promises of satisfaction

While she's being bored to distraction being this year's girl

Time's running out, she's not happy with the cost

There'd be no doubt, only she's forgotten much more than she's lost

A bright spark might corner the market in this year's girl

You see yourself rolling on the carpet with this year's girl

Those disco synthesizers

Those daily tranquilizers

Those body-building prizes

Those bedroom alibis

All this, but no surprises for this year's girl

All this, but no surprises for this year's girl, yeah

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"if the 3 judges found she is guilty thats just with the evidence presented then they would find her guilty.

Makes no difference if her ex refused to appear in court the evidence alone would be enough to make her look guilty.

As thats what happens with many cases brought against a man in assault cases.

A judge passes sentence a jury decides if guilty or not. However a judge can tell jury his opinion

there is no jury within a magistraites court unless you go to a crown court

assault cases are normally held with magistraites court and poor people cannot request them to be held within a county court "

Total nonsense..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because people seem to blame the media or internet for anything at the moment. "

Yes they do, the same people who are saying the media are to blame have sent Dan Wotton (editor of the sun) vile messages on twitter telling him he should be ashamed of himself and should die.

People need to start taking responsibility for their own actions.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Cancel shows like love island. Jeremy Kyle was after 1 unfortunate death. That show is responsible on part for 3.

That would be the best way for her to be remembered

Can someone tell me how Caroline Flack’s death is in any way related to Love Island?

If someone who worked at a Tesco committed suicide, would you say that all Tesco stores need to be closed?

I can’t find any logic in that point at all.

It was her job, a job which has stated - many times - she loved. She had to stand down from the show because of the legal situation she was in.

Kerry Katona has commented more than once how her treatment by the tabloids compared to McPartlins. Also her career was effectively over where Mcpartlin was welcomed back.

Not sure her career was going anywhere.. Ant is a fantastic broadcaster..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if the 3 judges found she is guilty thats just with the evidence presented then they would find her guilty.

Makes no difference if her ex refused to appear in court the evidence alone would be enough to make her look guilty.

As thats what happens with many cases brought against a man in assault cases.

A judge passes sentence a jury decides if guilty or not. However a judge can tell jury his opinion

there is no jury within a magistraites court unless you go to a crown court

assault cases are normally held with magistraites court and poor people cannot request them to be held within a county court

Total nonsense.. "

I agree. The only way it goes to crown is if someone pleads not guilty at county. So yes they can go to crown

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cancel shows like love island. Jeremy Kyle was after 1 unfortunate death. That show is responsible on part for 3.

That would be the best way for her to be remembered

Can someone tell me how Caroline Flack’s death is in any way related to Love Island?

If someone who worked at a Tesco committed suicide, would you say that all Tesco stores need to be closed?

I can’t find any logic in that point at all.

It was her job, a job which has stated - many times - she loved. She had to stand down from the show because of the legal situation she was in.

Kerry Katona has commented more than once how her treatment by the tabloids compared to McPartlins. Also her career was effectively over where Mcpartlin was welcomed back.

Not sure her career was going anywhere.. Ant is a fantastic broadcaster.. "

Does it matter ?

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

"assault cases are normally held with magistraites court and poor people cannot request them to be held within a county court

Unless they plead not guilty in magistrate. Then goes to trial "

I believe its under minor assault like many assault accusations

minor assaults, where the defendant is not usually entitled to trial by jury. They are generally disposed of in magistrates' courts.

https://www.judiciary.uk/you-and-the-judiciary/going-to-court/magistrates-court/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if the 3 judges found she is guilty thats just with the evidence presented then they would find her guilty.

Makes no difference if her ex refused to appear in court the evidence alone would be enough to make her look guilty.

As thats what happens with many cases brought against a man in assault cases.

A judge passes sentence a jury decides if guilty or not. However a judge can tell jury his opinion

there is no jury within a magistraites court unless you go to a crown court

assault cases are normally held with magistraites court and poor people cannot request them to be held within a county court

Total nonsense..

I agree. The only way it goes to crown is if someone pleads not guilty at county. So yes they can go to crown "

County Court is totally different and does not deal with criminal cases only civil.

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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago

West Wales

Well read and sign the article for a law to be passed to make the media think twice!!

Don't worry about f&b we all know he likes cake mixture

No. Press freedom is vital. We live in a free society. "

I’m also not convinced it was them that caused her to commit suicide. If we believe what is on social media I’d have expected to see her name brought up constantly & I haven’t probably because I don’t read newspapers.

I think it had just as much to do with her being due to be sentenced in a few days. Also sad as it is she was the abuser! If I’d battered H in her sleep & then topped myself just before being sentenced how much sympathy would you have for me?

Zip, that’s how much..

The sad part is that she had issues which were not addressed by the medical professionals & she probably had them her whole life, but they can only help if you ask for it.

With regards to the press, Don’t like what you read? Then stop reading it. No law, No freedom of press changes need to be made.

Just you the reader or hopefully ex reader ??

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"if the 3 judges found she is guilty thats just with the evidence presented then they would find her guilty.

Makes no difference if her ex refused to appear in court the evidence alone would be enough to make her look guilty.

As thats what happens with many cases brought against a man in assault cases.

A judge passes sentence a jury decides if guilty or not. However a judge can tell jury his opinion

there is no jury within a magistraites court unless you go to a crown court

assault cases are normally held with magistraites court and poor people cannot request them to be held within a county court

Total nonsense..

I agree. The only way it goes to crown is if someone pleads not guilty at county. So yes they can go to crown "

County court is civil law.. magistrates and Crown is criminal cases

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

You can elect to be tried at crown court in some circumstances but that means a jury and potentially a more serious sentence if found guilty

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Because people seem to blame the media or internet for anything at the moment.

Yes they do, the same people who are saying the media are to blame have sent Dan Wotton (editor of the sun) vile messages on twitter telling him he should be ashamed of himself and should die.

People need to start taking responsibility for their own actions. "

The amount of abuse I saw last night aimed at people because of this while saying " be kind" at the end of the sentence. They don't realise the irony

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Some offences can only be tried in a magistrates court and some are triable either at crown or magistrates or the magistrates can refer to crown court if deemed serious

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By *ady Lick OP Woman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"Cancel shows like love island. Jeremy Kyle was after 1 unfortunate death. That show is responsible on part for 3.

That would be the best way for her to be remembered

Can someone tell me how Caroline Flack’s death is in any way related to Love Island?

If someone who worked at a Tesco committed suicide, would you say that all Tesco stores need to be closed?

I can’t find any logic in that point at all.

It was her job, a job which has stated - many times - she loved. She had to stand down from the show because of the legal situation she was in."

I think it was one thing after another, she apparently said that she didn't get any support from itv after she left.

I've also read she was going to make a statement about press invasion but was advised not to because of her impending trail.

She committed suicide when her friend who was staying with her popped to the shop. How awful is that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cancel shows like love island. Jeremy Kyle was after 1 unfortunate death. That show is responsible on part for 3.

That would be the best way for her to be remembered

Can someone tell me how Caroline Flack’s death is in any way related to Love Island?

If someone who worked at a Tesco committed suicide, would you say that all Tesco stores need to be closed?

I can’t find any logic in that point at all.

It was her job, a job which has stated - many times - she loved. She had to stand down from the show because of the legal situation she was in.

I think it was one thing after another, she apparently said that she didn't get any support from itv after she left.

I've also read she was going to make a statement about press invasion but was advised not to because of her impending trail.

She committed suicide when her friend who was staying with her popped to the shop. How awful is that? "

Exactly. For any person to put a rope around their head when they know they are alone and no one can guess. That person wouldn’t of known.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Cancel shows like love island. Jeremy Kyle was after 1 unfortunate death. That show is responsible on part for 3.

That would be the best way for her to be remembered

Can someone tell me how Caroline Flack’s death is in any way related to Love Island?

If someone who worked at a Tesco committed suicide, would you say that all Tesco stores need to be closed?

I can’t find any logic in that point at all.

It was her job, a job which has stated - many times - she loved. She had to stand down from the show because of the legal situation she was in.

I think it was one thing after another, she apparently said that she didn't get any support from itv after she left.

I've also read she was going to make a statement about press invasion but was advised not to because of her impending trail.

She committed suicide when her friend who was staying with her popped to the shop. How awful is that? "

Does anyone get any support from an ex employer.. the clue is in the title..

Ex employer and ex employee..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because people seem to blame the media or internet for anything at the moment.

Yes they do, the same people who are saying the media are to blame have sent Dan Wotton (editor of the sun) vile messages on twitter telling him he should be ashamed of himself and should die.

People need to start taking responsibility for their own actions.

The amount of abuse I saw last night aimed at people because of this while saying " be kind" at the end of the sentence. They don't realise the irony"

I agree and I saw that too.

It's one thing to disagree and challenge peoples opinion or view but no need to get personal.

One hand people were saying be kind and with the next sentence called someone awful names.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cancel shows like love island. Jeremy Kyle was after 1 unfortunate death. That show is responsible on part for 3.

That would be the best way for her to be remembered

Can someone tell me how Caroline Flack’s death is in any way related to Love Island?

If someone who worked at a Tesco committed suicide, would you say that all Tesco stores need to be closed?

I can’t find any logic in that point at all.

It was her job, a job which has stated - many times - she loved. She had to stand down from the show because of the legal situation she was in."

Why do you need someone to tell you. You have made up your mind it wasn’t the show so that’s your opinion. I have mine aswell

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because people seem to blame the media or internet for anything at the moment.

Yes they do, the same people who are saying the media are to blame have sent Dan Wotton (editor of the sun) vile messages on twitter telling him he should be ashamed of himself and should die.

People need to start taking responsibility for their own actions.

The amount of abuse I saw last night aimed at people because of this while saying " be kind" at the end of the sentence. They don't realise the irony"

Yes there was

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

"You can elect to be tried at crown court in some circumstances but that means a jury and potentially a more serious sentence if found guilty "

"Some offences can only be tried in a magistrates court and some are triable either at crown or magistrates or the magistrates can refer to crown court if deemed serious "

A query here have you dealt with or tried to deal with a magistraites court to elect to a crown case instead of a magistraites court

cps actively block the transfer to the crown court unless deemed serious enough

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"You can elect to be tried at crown court in some circumstances but that means a jury and potentially a more serious sentence if found guilty

Some offences can only be tried in a magistrates court and some are triable either at crown or magistrates or the magistrates can refer to crown court if deemed serious

A query here have you dealt with or tried to deal with a magistraites court to elect to a crown case instead of a magistraites court

cps actively block the transfer to the crown court unless deemed serious enough "

Because of cost and do it should be..

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

"A query here have you dealt with or tried to deal with a magistraites court to elect to a crown case instead of a magistraites court

cps actively block the transfer to the crown court unless deemed serious enough

Because of cost and do it should be.. "

So would I be right in saying that your putting a cost on someones right to justice.

cost shouldnt be above the right to justice who ever you are poor or rich

everyone should have the right to a jury court than sat infront of a panel of 3 judges that could have had a bad day

a magistraites court is known by many guilty before you even step into that court room

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By *erdyWoman
over a year ago

wiltshire

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By *erdyWoman
over a year ago

wiltshire

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"A query here have you dealt with or tried to deal with a magistraites court to elect to a crown case instead of a magistraites court

cps actively block the transfer to the crown court unless deemed serious enough

Because of cost and do it should be..

So would I be right in saying that your putting a cost on someones right to justice.

cost shouldnt be above the right to justice who ever you are poor or rich

everyone should have the right to a jury court than sat infront of a panel of 3 judges that could have had a bad day

a magistraites court is known by many guilty before you even step into that court room "

So you don't get a fair hearing at magistrates?

Lovely sentiment but who pays.. we can't afford it

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By *erdyWoman
over a year ago

wiltshire

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By *erdyWoman
over a year ago

wiltshire

Because people seem to blame the media or internet for anything at the moment.

Yes they do, the same people who are saying the media are to blame have sent Dan Wotton (editor of the sun) vile messages on twitter telling him he should be ashamed of himself and should die.

People need to start taking responsibility for their own actions.

The amount of abuse I saw last night aimed at people because of this while saying " be kind" at the end of the sentence. They don't realise the irony

Couldn't agree more

Yes there was

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The conviction rate at Magistrates court is about 85% and 80% at crown court..

Crown Court is expensive..

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

"cost shouldnt be above the right to justice who ever you are poor or rich

everyone should have the right to a jury court than sat infront of a panel of 3 judges that could have had a bad day

a magistraites court is known by many guilty before you even step into that court room

So you don't get a fair hearing at magistrates?

Lovely sentiment but who pays.. we can't afford it"

we can afford it, if its for the right of justice for anyone

thats how it should be.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"cost shouldnt be above the right to justice who ever you are poor or rich

everyone should have the right to a jury court than sat infront of a panel of 3 judges that could have had a bad day

a magistraites court is known by many guilty before you even step into that court room

So you don't get a fair hearing at magistrates?

Lovely sentiment but who pays.. we can't afford it

we can afford it, if its for the right of justice for anyone

thats how it should be."

I suggest you write to your MP.

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

"The conviction rate at Magistrates court is about 85% and 80% at crown court..

Crown Court is expensive.. "

like i said plead guilty

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2015/jul/31/magistrates-resign-court-charges-encourage-innocent-plead-guilty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A query here have you dealt with or tried to deal with a magistraites court to elect to a crown case instead of a magistraites court

cps actively block the transfer to the crown court unless deemed serious enough

Because of cost and do it should be..

So would I be right in saying that your putting a cost on someones right to justice.

cost shouldnt be above the right to justice who ever you are poor or rich

everyone should have the right to a jury court than sat infront of a panel of 3 judges that could have had a bad day

a magistraites court is known by many guilty before you even step into that court room "

You don’t sit infront of 3 judges ! You have one judge one jury. Jury decides on guilty or not. Judge passes sentence. Judge can influence

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The vast majority of people in court are found guilty.

There is a reason for this..

They are guilty..

Criminal elements in the main moan about the justice system.

I have never been spoken to by a policeman. I obey the law.. Simples..

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"A query here have you dealt with or tried to deal with a magistraites court to elect to a crown case instead of a magistraites court

cps actively block the transfer to the crown court unless deemed serious enough

Because of cost and do it should be..

So would I be right in saying that your putting a cost on someones right to justice.

cost shouldnt be above the right to justice who ever you are poor or rich

everyone should have the right to a jury court than sat infront of a panel of 3 judges that could have had a bad day

a magistraites court is known by many guilty before you even step into that court room

You don’t sit infront of 3 judges ! You have one judge one jury. Jury decides on guilty or not. Judge passes sentence. Judge can influence "

I think she meant three majistrates

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

The legal system, a sliding scale of offences and potential sentences and fines dictate which cases are held in which court.

Lay Magistrates are ordinary people doing their civic duty. There are 3 of them to ensure a majority verdict and to prevent one person holding the power or ‘having a bad day’. They are advised legally by a clerk of court to ensure their actions and decision making is within the parameters of law. If you think they are bent why not apply to become one?

If you are found guilty in a Magistrate’s court your right of appeal would be escalated to Crown court. It can take months, or even years to get a case to Crown thereby causing even further delays and emotional upheaval when not necessary. If you lose there too then good luck paying court costs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A query here have you dealt with or tried to deal with a magistraites court to elect to a crown case instead of a magistraites court

cps actively block the transfer to the crown court unless deemed serious enough

Because of cost and do it should be..

So would I be right in saying that your putting a cost on someones right to justice.

cost shouldnt be above the right to justice who ever you are poor or rich

everyone should have the right to a jury court than sat infront of a panel of 3 judges that could have had a bad day

a magistraites court is known by many guilty before you even step into that court room

You don’t sit infront of 3 judges ! You have one judge one jury. Jury decides on guilty or not. Judge passes sentence. Judge can influence

I think she meant three majistrates "

Maybe jury. Which is 12. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Sun have deleted numerous articles about her today. The daily mail prior to her death had published 25 articles about her this year. That's 25 articles in 45 days, more than 1 article every other day.

Her family, having just found out that she was dead got a solicitor to warn the press off asking them not to contact or photograph them which is way beyond the normal 'respect our privacy' type statement issued through the police. They also incredibly early put it out their thst this was suicide which to me was to stop the speculation from the tabloids.

Yes there was a lot going on but its naive to think that the press intrusion wasnt a factor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Sun have deleted numerous articles about her today. The daily mail prior to her death had published 25 articles about her this year. That's 25 articles in 45 days, more than 1 article every other day.

Yes there was a lot going on but its naive to think that the press intrusion wasnt a factor"

They were being honest and good on them. It would of been obvious it was suicidal. I agree with her family x

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

"The vast majority of people in court are found guilty.

There is a reason for this..

They are guilty..

Criminal elements in the main moan about the justice system.

I have never been spoken to by a policeman. I obey the law.. Simples.."

yet again you have quoted what you believe to be correct in your eyes.

same with your earlier comment

Because of cost and do it should be

A person in the court system does not mean they are guilty

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The press had a field day. Very sad and gutter journalism by most of them. And it will continue. Let the lady rest in peace.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"The vast majority of people in court are found guilty.

There is a reason for this..

They are guilty..

Criminal elements in the main moan about the justice system.

I have never been spoken to by a policeman. I obey the law.. Simples..

yet again you have quoted what you believe to be correct in your eyes.

same with your earlier comment

Because of cost and do it should be

A person in the court system does not mean they are guilty"

Agreed.. but most are found guilty.. about 8 out of 10

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By *ady Lick OP Woman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

Yes there was a lot going on but its naive to think that the press intrusion wasnt a factor"

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Something like 16 people a day commit suicide in the UK , they generally aren’t famous people who beat their partners, but no one gives a shit

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Something like 16 people a day commit suicide in the UK , they generally aren’t famous people who beat their partners, but no one gives a shit"

And each one has the right to do that in my book.

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

"Something like 16 people a day commit suicide in the UK , they generally aren’t famous people who beat their partners, but no one gives a shit"
in our local paper there’s an article on suicide and how it’s increasing every year between certain age groups and genders mainly men under 40 are the highest rates and one thing that stands out is the majority of cases the deceased where regularly taking drugs like cocaine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Something like 16 people a day commit suicide in the UK , they generally aren’t famous people who beat their partners, but no one gives a shit"

Actually a lot of people give a shit. And if a high profile death gets people talking about suicide then that's no bad thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Something like 16 people a day commit suicide in the UK , they generally aren’t famous people who beat their partners, but no one gives a shit in our local paper there’s an article on suicide and how it’s increasing every year between certain age groups and genders mainly men under 40 are the highest rates and one thing that stands out is the majority of cases the deceased where regularly taking drugs like cocaine "

Where are your stats when you say majority “ taking drugs”?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

The “Bro” law is strong in this well intentioned thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s comments like this that boil my piss.

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

It’s comments like this that boil my piss. "
why

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Something like 16 people a day commit suicide in the UK , they generally aren’t famous people who beat their partners, but no one gives a shit"

Who beat their partners?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Really? I'd like a link to that article because that's not entirely true about the drugs connection

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Suicide is not always a bad thing.. it is a legitimate way out for some..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s comments like this that boil my piss. why "

As you say it’s men under 40 who are drug users. 5000 in 2018 were men out of say close to 7000 so are you saying the majority were drug users. ?

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"Something like 16 people a day commit suicide in the UK , they generally aren’t famous people who beat their partners, but no one gives a shit

Actually a lot of people give a shit. And if a high profile death gets people talking about suicide then that's no bad thing"

But all they are really talking about is whether to blame the press or the CPS when a famous, beautiful person tops themselves. They are not talking about why everyday people, mostly young men are committing suicide at record numbers.

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